Is this why we've seen so many low scoring games the past two seasons, because this defense makes teams do lots of runs and checkdowns? Also, does this mean the Lions will turn back into a pumpkin next season now that they don't get 4 divisional games against defenses that give up everything they do best, lol.
lol cuz miami players were more worried ab partying n living the miami lifestyle instead of playing good football.... former broncos all pro even praising him
These 25 minutes perfectly put into words the months of frustrations I’ve been subjected to watching Seattle play lifeless and toothless defense for the most part
I think the Seahawks defense has highs and lows but you have to attribute it as well that many of their defensive talents are inexperienced rookies as well. For what they have accomplished with their highs (and lows) its still hats off the Carroll and Hurtt/Desai to get those results with running that kind of scheme. Along with the rotation style of play they do with their front 7. Though moving forward they need to have more solid talents to be the foundation to their defense.
Seattle hardly runs a "Vic Fangio defense." It's literally the occasional 3 man front with a lot of those whacky 2 man fronts, and the same coverages we've been running since Pete got here. Also, we just don't have the personnel to run a 3-4 at the moment.
Exactly man rn there are so many great defensive units with bad offenses like the Patriots, Broncos and even the Colts defense is underrated despite what happened with the Cowboys because Ryna threw 3 picks. But sometimes I wish I'd see analysis on why the Patriots defense is good instead of why the Patriots offense is bad because they are the strength of the team and that pass rush is insane
With how much the league has gotten away from the run, I'm shocked not a single DC has tried evolving the 4-3 with 2 thumper type safeties replacing 2 of the linebackers.
This video has been one of my favorite videos this football season. As a broncos fan I have seen the success of the fangio defense. With fangio and ejiro eviro who both run fangio system. I think Eviro has been so good this year has been because he adapted this system but adapted it in a way that isn't afraid to rush the qb.
Yep! Exactly why I didn't mention them much. They, like a lot of great defenses have learned when to go two high while also still wanting to play defense.
Holy heck, this is so accurate😂, MN fans refer to our DC as DonaShell because he sits there with his dbs back 8-10 yards in shell coverage and gets massacred underneath, whenever DonaShell wakes up for 30 seconds and sends a blitz with some tight coverage it’s like a miracle and we start playing decent defense again
Fangio is really good at communicating schemes and giving players simple keys and progressions to run his schemes. Great communication skills are not all that common. Fangio has also said it's critically important to have an offense that doesn't get off the field quickly and tire out the DBs and DL. He wants a good running game or a ball possession passing offense that is not in a hurry.
Great video! I think it’s a good thing to mention how the scheme worked well in LA for Staley because of Donald and Ramsey. He was able to stop the run with basically Donald by himself and Ramsey shut down half the field playing man on their best guy. Freed up alot of their other players to perform well. And cover the rest of the field
Love this! Are these scheme analyses and more in-depth videos, explaining schemes, concepts etc. something that one gets as a Patreon? If so, I'm on the hook! I love the explanations, helps me (I live in Germany) understand the game much better and go more into detail.
My favorite part of this video is how Vic went to a 6-1 to box McVay and the Rams offense in 2018. Bill used the blueprint that Vic wrote to box the Rams in the SB. Anyone that thinks about 11 personnel thinks about McVay…. So even Fangio knew he had to change it against the 11
I rarely bother to comment, but I'm trying to increase engagement to get the algorithm to push this video more to make up for me not being able to afford to give this man the cash I truly wish I could give for all his hard work and the educational entertainment he has given me over the years. Easily one of the people who has helped me the most survive through being bed ridden so much the past couple of years! Thank you Marcus!
This video explains the repeated failures of the Eagles Defense in the 2023 season almost perfectly.....led by (drum roll please)..... Sean Desai. Thanks for concisely explain what I have been seeing and have not been able to understand completely.
On behalf of Minnesota and Vikings fans around the world, thank you. Seriously. It’s not that the problems with our defense between the whistles are unapparent. The value here comes from the rigorous correlation between scheme and on-field effect, including the elimination of possible sub-scheme variables toward the end. It’s smart, and as scientific as can be expected in such an organic field with limited available datapoints. I appreciate the good work. I know the pros see way more than we see, but I hope a few players and coaches get to see this, even if only so that their perceptions can be validated a bit.
This is one of the best film breakdowns I've seen from you. You didn't list them, but the Eagles and Gannon's scheme was definitely influenced by Fangio (he's been hanging around Eagles camp this offseason) and Eberflus. We run a lot of cover 4/6/8. We wanted to be able to remain in 2 high which we got taken out of a lot cause of our run defense last year. A big reason we took Jordan Davis and why he's so crucial to making the scheme work. I already knew a good amount of this stuff on Fangio's scheme as its been a hot topic like you mentioned for the past couple years, but I still learned some new things and I think you broke this down in a concise and simple manner that even the average or new football fan can grasp.
@@terranceramirez4816 I mean the Eagles have always maintained the importance of their DT talents for years now. Because it also helps out their rotation for their edge talents against the run and makes executing pass rush pressures easier.
As a chargers fan, this perfectly encapsulates what the chargers season has been on defense. Staley being directly from Fangios tree clearly explains the defense and explains the awful run defense. It’s crazy because watching this team, they don’t really seem like the worst rushing defense, but all those 10 and 20 yards runs add up, and usually would let up one huge TD resulting in a crazy YPC for them
Video would probably be 40 minutes long then! But yeah it used to be an amazing scheme (still can be good imo) but this season coaches have really caught on to how to attack it.
No need to overthink Fangio's Bears situation. He had the trench talent (prime Hicks) and the secondary talents (Eddie Jackson, prime Fuller) along with help on the edges and the middle of the field. Those guys have been around long playing together so communication is not an issue. You can argue Staley's Rams run had nearly as much top end talent (Donald, Ramsey) but he also understood the weakness of the concept and was better with his communication to his guys for adapting in coverages and simulated pressures to fight off offenses protecting with 6-7 guys.
@@t4d0Wesponding just to make clear how absurdly talented that Bears D was Safety- Eddie Jackson, Adrian Amos CB- Kyle Fuller, Prince Amukamara, Bryce Callahan LB- Roquan Smith, Danny Trevathan EDGE- Khalil Mack, Leonard Floyd IDL- Akiem Hicks, Eddie Goldman They had stars or game breakers at pretty much all levels. Jackson and Smith were both rookies but we’re still huge contributors and Jackson was a pro bowler. Mack, Hicks, Goldman, and Floyd were essentially both an immovable object and a unstoppable force at the same time. Fuller and Amukamara were both very good CB’s who Fangio allowed to play to their strengths (off coverage for Fuller and press man for Amukamara). All this came together meant that beating this defense basically took perfect O-line and QB play along with a lot of help from your own defense to give you enough drives. I still believe that with anything more than a mediocre offense that team we’re Super Bowl favorites that year. The double doink still haunts soldier field, if you listen, you can even hear the screams of 9 millions hearts breaking at the exact same time.
As a Broncos fan and football nerd...this video couldn't be more accurate. Nailed it with the importance of safety play in that system and the concepts/ responsibilities. Its also known to be a very difficult system to learn and usually takes 2-3 years to have everyone on the same page. Most coordinators are fired by then in the league so you never get to see it to fruition.
Honestly this might be the best video you've ever made. The stats at the end showing the teams that use the scheme correctly vs the Packers et all was super eye opening
Always good see guys cover this - great stuff. I've gotten into the weeds on this a bit before. But the real crux of the issue with the Fangio defense is it requires some special talent to successfully execute at a high level. His Cover-6 and Match Quarters stuff requires not just good players but well-rounded and smart players all over the back 7 and DL players who can successfully control gaps gaps vs the run and pass rushers who can get home without much help from blitzing. Fangio's last team in Chicago had success running his system with Akiem Hicks inside supplemented with Eddie Goldman at NT. Then he had Khalil Mack and Leonard Floyd on the edges. LBs were Roquan and Trevathan. Safeties were Adrian Amos and Eddie Jackson. CBs included Kyle Fuller, Amukamara, and Bryce Callahan. That is a stacked defense front to back. They were the #1 D both overall and against the pass and allowed the fewest points. He had most of those guys the year before, but it was really the additions of Mack and Roquan that springboarded the defense to truly ridiculous levels, and it's what propelled him to that Denver job. His 2019 Broncos team had some good safeties (Justin Simmons, Kareem Jackson) and good pass rushers (Von Miller, Bradley Chubb), but the LBs were more of run defenders and the interior DL was lacking in playmakers. But the real issue was the CBs - outside of an aging Chris Harris (his last season in Denver) they had zero talent at the position. Unsurprisingly without that elite talent in Chicago this system only produced middle of the road results. The 2020 team was even worse, but that's what happens when Von Miller gets hurt. They had the same safeties, LBs, and most of the same IDL, but Bouye was a flop at CB and without Harris they only had Callahan. The 2021 team also had most of the same guys back, but wound up trading Von Miller midseason to the Rams. They did try drafting a CB early (Surtain) and tried to resurrect past success by bringing in Kyle Fuller. But he still didn't have the talent he had at IDL, LB, or CB that he had in Chicago, and thus ended his tenure in Denver. Brandon Staley was Fangio's LB Coach in Denver in 2019, and left to take the Rams DC job in 2020. His arc is similar to Fangio's and I won't go into as much depth. But the Rams #1 overall defense that season didn't have the same top-to-bottom roster strength Chicago had, but they had enough superstar talent to pull off the Fangio scheme. Aaron Donald inside allowed them to play the run despite being in 2-deep all the time. Jalen Ramsey was able to shut down an entire half of the field in their Match Quarters looks. John Johnson and Jordan Fuller played that smart swiss-army knife safety role so well. This defense springboarded Staley to his HC job with the Chargers, but he forgot one key ingredient - to bring the talent from the Rams across town. He left behind Donald and Ramsey, whom the Rams supplemented with by trading for Von Miller to shore up their one weakness - edge rush. That Rams defense had enough talent to win the Super Bowl. Staley's defense with the Chargers though, didn't have those types of playmakers. He didn't have an Aaron Donald inside or a Jalen Ramsey to shut down an entire half of the field. IDL was a wasteland that season, as was CB where he tried to pull a Fangio and resurrect a former playmaker with Chris Harris (it didn't work). They had some good pieces (Bosa, Derwin) but not at the right positions to have a real impact on this scheme. And he had those same issues for the rest of his tenure with the Chargers. I will also say, I can't find a coaching connection for Lou Anarumo's Bengals D looks exactly the same as described in the video. Off coverage, mix of Cover-6 and Match Quarters with some Cover-3 sprinkled in. Not a lot of blitzing. Relies on the IDL (NT Reader, 3T Hill) to play gap sound and specifically with Reader to do what Aaron Donald did and control 2 gaps to help keep the LBs free to headhunt the ball. Except Lou doesn't quite have that same level of talent that Fangio had in Chicago or Staley had in LA. The pass rush is very subpar outside of Trey. The LBs are..."good" but not great like Roquan and Trevathan. The CBs were better when Chido was healthy prior to 2023, but still not on the level of Fuller, Prince, and Callahan. The other key to Lou's defense was Jessie Bates, who became PFF's #1 overall safety once he got out of Cincy and into a defense that let him freelance and make plays. But he was the key ingredient on the back end, the Jalen Ramsey of Lou's defense. Without Bates Lou's defense regressed mightily in 2023 and probably doesn't improve unless they get an upgrade at safety (maybe move Dax back to the slot). So the bottom line tl;dr here is, this scheme takes some great talent to succeed. I liken it to option routes for the offense. Option routes let SMART WRs and TEs (and some RBs) recognize coverages and alignments and make the correct read, which also matches the read the QB made. Hence these option route offenses rely heavily on smart players and chemistry between receivers and QBs etc. Defenses that use these Match Quarters systems are basically option defenses. Line up 2 deep but in off coverage and any of those 4 defenders can carry a vertical route if needed, or they can all stay underneath if that's where the routes go. That "2-high" pre-snap look can put as many guys deep or short as needed, and puts guys in plus-leverage situations. But the bottom line is you needed talented SMART players who can all make the same reads (chemistry) and have good communication to pass off everything correctly. OTHERWISE you run into busted coverages, which you see ALL THE TIME from teams trying to run these schemes without smart players. Guys make mistakes, and it only takes 1 to result in a huge play for the offense. A perfect example was the long completion to Rice in KC's last game vs Cincy. Lined up single-high pre-snap, the Bengals roll coverage at the snap with the near-side CB dropping into a deep-half role. The intent was to have the FS (Dax) roll to his left and be the other deep-half player. But instead Dax read the opposite and rolled to his right, so now there were 2 deep-half players on the same side of the field and ZERO help over-top of the CB on the other side (CTB). So you wind up in a situation where the CB is playing cloud press underneath and expecting safety help...and even though 10 players did their jobs on this snap it only took 1 guy messing up to botch the whole play. I'm not an expert on the Ravens defensive scheme, but I'm pretty sure I saw them running a bunch of Match Quarters in our games vs them this year. But they have the personnel to execute it. Pierce and Madubuike inside. Roquan and Queen. Humphrey. But most importantly THREE good smart safeties in Williams, Hamilton, and Stone. That's how you get a #1 defense out of a Quarters system. Anyway, rant over. Loved the vid, as usual. Keep it up.
I don't know as much about the theories of football as nearly anyone on this board I am sure - it does not matter the success or failure of any scheme is always going to be predicated by the capabilities of the players that are playing in that system. You get players who's talents are able to perform well what the scheme asks of them - well you are going to have success. But the idea that a scheme or that there is one type of better mousetrap for all occasions is pure folly - in football or any athletic endeavor really.
As a broncos fan, i was told how genius fangio was when we hired him. Never once did his defense impress me, it was actually one of the least clutch defenses I’ve ever watched in the 30 years I’ve watch the nfl. When we needed pressure we couldn’t get it, when we needed to stop the run we couldn’t, needed a turnover, not happening, needed anything the defense would just shit the bed. If the defense did anything, it was solely because of the talent of the player and not because of the scheme
Great vid Marcus, a little bit confused why Ejiro Evro wasn’t outlined in this video as a staley descendent. What he’s done with so many injuries at edge, IDL and Saftey all year is insanely understated
I think Evero's results are understated. That offense under Hackett/Kubiak is ass cheeks but Evero's defense held most teams under 3 TDs. If the offense only scored something like 19 points they could have turned those Ls to Ws.
I love this style of video. You are truly such a unique and incredible creator in the football space. Single handedly increased by football knowledge by leaps and bounds
I’m super excited as a Dolphins fan to see what Vic Fangio has been cooking up during his sabbatical. He said he just spent the season studying the game. I can’t wait to see what new developments take place for his defensive scheme in 2023.
I mean Lou Anoromo has long since passed Fangio as a DC and has consistently slowed down Mahomes the last 2 years. Mahomes carved up Lou’s defense that is much MUCH better than the dolphins, and fangio doesnt even have the personnel in his system to run what he wants. That dolphins defense will be mid this year
The one thing I will say is that the 49ers have been running the Fangio six to near perfection this year. Demeco Ryans has been absolutely crucial in executing it and will likely be an NFL head coach next year. It also helps to have arguably the perfect person to run the Fangio six, however, I think if run correctly with the correct personnel, the Fangio six can be absolutely devastating to high-powered passing offenses.
IMO that goes to having the right defensive mind in general with the talent to work around them. Its funny how Fangio himself got popular for his style of play vs Mahomes but for 2 years straight now, DC Lou Anarumo of the Bengals has played Mahomes extremely well. He does run a kooky 3-5-5 look against him but the way he executes and communicates it with his guys gets results. The Niners can execute the good concepts of Fangio's zone stuff but they also don't fall prey to the weaknesses because of how the defense was constructed. The front 4 is absolutely elite even with depth in mind against both pass and run. The linebacker group is great against coverage and the secondary is well disciplined.
You just earned a sub for the obvious effort you put into this video. You made it accessible and more importantly easy to follow and watch which is a big mistake people make. They think people know as much as they do so they think it's not important to make the VIDEO easy and fun to watch and follow
Great content as always, Marcus! I do think this type of defense can work, but only if: - Front 4 is deep and elite; - Starting LBs are great in tackling, coverage and reads Meaning that there will be a WHOLE lot of resources invested in the front 6 in order to have a good D. So it can be done successfully, but definitely not the best resources management, IMO.
Marcus- I’ve been watching you since the inception of your channel. I have watched litterly every single video you have uploaded for years. This is the best video you’ve EVER made!
Fangio was what made that system work, the way he called plays and when he blitz, when he played safe, when he risked weird but effective plays. Turns out, unlike the Dick Lebeau scheme, you actually need to REALLY know what you are doing to make it worth a shit. Most people are not Vic Fangio
Watching the vikings defense this year has been exhausting, between dropping Hunter and Z Smith in coverage, to the wide open checkdowns and short passes for easy 1st downs, to the constantly bad coverage by our dbacks, to the huge amounts of yardage per game, and the worst of all, the lack of adjustments or accountability by donatell, it has been nauseating to watch this team play defense, fire donatell immediately this defense will easily cost us come playoff time. Edit: yep this take aged like fine wine, the defense did indeed cost us against the giants, thanks for nothing donashell you useless bastard.
It all comes down to pass rush. Look at the team's where Fangio had his best seasons: Harbaugh's 49ers who had Justin Smith and Aldon Smith, Matt Nagy's Bears with Kahlil Mack and Akeem Hicks, and then with the Broncos when they had Von Miller and Bradley Chubb. As any pass play progresses, the longer it takes for the pass rush to get home the bigger the windows in the zone becomes. It all starts up front.
Football strategy is a constantly evolving thing. Defenses adapt, then offenses adapt in response. No offense will work forever. No defense will work forever. The best coaches and coordinators understand that and are quick to adapt.
Simple explanation: classic 4-2-5 defensive scheme designed to bring a base 4 man rush while in nickel. Georgia Bulldogs have been running it for years, and that's part of the reason why they've been so dominant (they force teams to beat them on the ground, where they have a physical advantage). 4-2-5 blitzes in passing situations are outright DEADLY because they can bring pressure from multiple creative angles, while the 5 DB look prevents easy reads for the Quarterback. The counter to a 4-2-5 is to NOT run a spread offense. Motioning for a 1 TE set or even a 1 TE + a lead/trap blocker set creates a massive advantage where a big man is blocking a defensive back, and it is extremely easy for the RB to get into the secondary and break off a good run.
Thank you! I’ve been watching the Joe Woods defense and wonder what in the ______ is he doing and why can’t the players figure this out! Everything you showed is exactly what we’ve seen the past two years. Now I have to dive into your other videos!!!
Quick summary to see if I understood this correctly: The Fangio Scheme seems like a specific counter to a high-risk, high-reward playstyle that leans toward the reward side the more athletic the QB is - so if you face a team that is running the Fangio Scheme, your best option is to just run the safe plays, even if they are short. Just gobble up the yards piece by piece and don't get distracted by whatever the defense is trying to pose as.
I disagree with the title. Fangio introduced a new defensive meta that literally broke the hot offensive schemes in 2018 and made my Bears a SuperBowl contender. The fact that these incompetent, “wanna be head coaches” can’t adapt to what the offenses are doing to counteract it, is a different story
The Saints defense is doing great it this scheme, however, the Saints defense has linebackers that can cover, and cornerbacks that can play zone. You need the horses to run this scheme, otherwise, it won’t work.
Great video. Seahawks fan and it’s frustrating to watch out Defense. When Pete came here, he used the talent he had with the knowledge he brought to make a decent defense. Each year it would improve as he got more of the players he wanted. Right now it feels like none of that is happening. We don’t have the players for this 2 high scheme and they won’t adapt either. It’s awful to see. I hope they get back to a base defense soon. That’s what we were known for and we had a solid D because of it.
There's loads of buzz around Fangio coming to the Niners. We have elite LB's that can cover #1 receivers, much less slots. We have fast safeties than are beasts against the run AND defend the pass lights out. We have solid down linemen and Nick Bosa. I thought Fangio would be a terrible fit but maybe not. Might be awesome. Thx. Great breakdown.
If you run this off-man two high style, you have to have corners who tackle very well in space, linebackers who are very fast laterally and diagnosing screens, and a front four that can win alone. Also your DC has to know when he needs to call press man. In short, you have to be the 49ers. They give away the underneath stuff because their tacklers shoot their guns instead of playing contain, and the rest of the team FLY TO THE BALL. Also Fred Warner can legit cover slot receivers on seam routes.
To add Fred Warner much like Aaron Donald to DT talents is a one of one to coverage linebackers. There may be a metric out there but just watch game film and he defends that part of his field on coverage like no other. He's also got great instincts sniffing out the run so he's all over the run game with his long arms before they try bust out.
Amazing video. You took what I had been feeling this nfl season and explained it and put words and stats to it. My first instinct is to say that these guys need to learn to be more adaptive. Instead of running what you run and accepting the results you need to throw in come cover 1, cover 2 man and man blitzes when the situation calls for it.
Spot on. You need the right personnel. And you need time to teach it or its busted coverage waiting to happen. It can be very good in the right situation because i do think guarding grass will kill a defense. I also think a big problem with this scheme is late matching. By the time they recognize they need to carry or pass off a route, they are already out leveraged even if they make the proper decision.
Great vid. Being a broncos fan, Fangio knew how to adapt but it didn’t always work. Over the past 3 years the big name running backs have done very little to this team however it’s those who are t expected to break loose that do. This outlines the problem, either commit to the run or the explosion of mahomes or Allen
Absolutely spot on, coming from a Charger's fan! I feel all the pains, the getting run all over pains, the easy 20yard daggers pains, the short stuff pains, all the pains....
@@wyatt2918 Until 4 weeks ago, it was frustrating how comebacks, WR screens and quick outs on 3th and short were so easily coverted on us. Through 6 weeks we had the worst 3rd down rate on defense, in the entire league (run game with soft fronts was also a factor), but the amount of times it happened was insane! There was a game early on the season, that I don't remember who we were playing, converted 5 straight 3rd downs on quick outs with corners 10yards down the field... so infuriating!
Wow this is from a year ago and the 2024 super bowl has just completed. Sometime around the start of the postseason of 2023, Mahomes was saying how he has learned how to not try to make big plays all the time and just take what's there, so kudos on the analysis!
Good video Marcus. What you're describing at the end of this video is the difference between good and bad coaches. Good coaches continuously adapt, bad coaches are egocentric and stagnant, afraid to make a mistake.
How Fangio did it was very well executed. The others not so much, and that sucks since some of these defenses have talent. One part is about flexibility and disguising looks, which is something Donatell in Minnesota as an example does not do. I suppose that is the issue with modern defenses though
Great content as always, definetly watching this to see what impact it has on head coaching positions moving forward, being mostly where I feel Ben Johnson shines and would hate to see him go as a Lions fan.
Great video. Off the heels of Kollman's review on the Vikings defense underperforming and you open the whole book as to why Fangio's disciples and THEIR take on their philosophy has overall been disappointing. Part of it is the personnel where you need dem dawgs in key specific positions in the secondary/trenches. Staley's defense has struggled with injuries but he fell prey like the other guys being too predictable with their application of the scheme. Though he IS the better defensive game planner/adjuster of that group when he has to step up. He did it with the Rams (with some top grade talent of course) and as you mentioned, have done so in recent weeks along with a really smart executed gameplan vs the Dolphins pass game and knowing when to put bodies against the run. Without those talents you can see how lackluster the tackling is. The defenses are exploited in mismatches and already are trying to stop a playmaker on the move when the defenders are already in bad positions.
This is a brilliant video, Marcus. Well done. Let's hope Staley continues to show adaptability this season. He is on the hot seat but has it in him (as you mention towards the end). Scheme flexibility is key. Keep up the great work.
The scheme works if you have the d-line for it. Quinn & Mack/Von made the scheme look better than it really is. But that rings true for pretty much all schemes. Even Seattle's LOB wouldn't have been what it was w/o Bennett, Avril, etc. Teams hired Seattle coaches but couldn't replicate the succes
It's exhausting and frustrating to watch the Ed Donatell run defense in Minnesota. The utter lack of desire to fix the problems caused by scheme come through in everything he says.
Very interesting video and breakdown. You can be the best play caller in the world but you still need the dudes to make it happen. The chart with the 10% 4-2 from was very telling. All have elite/really good front 7s. The bad ones don’t
As a Hawks fan this is exactly what i have been feeling. There is no changing the scheme when we play Sam Darnald or when we play Pat Mahomes. That is stupid and makes no sense.
Great video! This is the first time I have run across your channel. Subscribed right away. You do a great job of breaking things down and make it easy to understand. I look forward to binging a bunch of your videos! Thanks so much!
Knew instantly who you were talking about when I saw the title. Fangios scheme works, when you actually give a sh*t. Unlike Joe Berry, Joe Woods and Ed Donatell.
Quarters style coverage works when you press the buttons right for it. DC Lou Anarumo of the Bengals leads the league in running 3-5-5 looks but he's VERY specific about it (i.e. Chiefs) and he throws specific players on the match ups to make it work.
i also have to add...Bellycheck is not the best coach in history, Bellycheck is a below average head coach but is possibly the best DC in history who has a losing record without Brady at QB. The honor of best coach has to go to: Joe Gibbs. 154-94 (16 years), 17-7 in playoffs 5 division titles in the hay day of the NFC East 4 Super Bowl appearances with 4 different qbs none of which were elite Theismann, Doug Williams, Jay Schroeder, and Mark Rypien (XVII, XVIII, XXII, XXVI) Super Bowl XVII, XXII, XXVI champion At the time of his enshrinement in the Hof he had a 68.3% winning percentage. This was tarnished by a bit when he came back to washington to try and bring the franchise back from the dead which was happening till Sean Taylor was murdered and he quit. He led teams to 14 top 10 offences 5x being top 5 and twice being the best offence in the league never having a top tier QB. Also think about this...other than Gibbs only Bill Parcells has won a super bowl with more than 1 qb and he only did it with 2 not 3.
This type of split-field defense works well at lower levels of the sport rather than the nfl because of a couple of factors A) a general lower quality of QB play & B) a difference in rules. I honestly believe that the latter of those factors is the bigger one however, that being lower levels of football are allowed to jam receivers so long as the ball isn’t in the air, where as in the nfl, you can touch the defender past five yards. On your point about the run, at the lower levels, we tend to put emphasis on the blitz, however having DEs hands in the dirt is also fairly common (in both base 3-3 or 4-2, which is what is common in the area I coach)
Bills fan but clueless when it comes to schemes here. Would you describe the Bills D *with a healthy tre white, Hyde and poyer* a similar style of D? Listening to your description of needs, the players absolutely meet the requirements. I just don’t know if that’s what McDermott and Fraizer implement.
Very telling that all of these teams defenses that are involved with the Vangio tree, have bad defenses. The Broncos defense is actually a lot better now than it was with Vangio.
When I saw the title 😩 I screamed, "FINALLY THE PROMISED VID" Idk if you realised how much you've hinted at this vid coming in your recent vids and you got me hyped for it 😂
It only works if you have a top tier defense, and guys to come in when linemen etc get tired. Its a good defense, but takes extreme discipline and stamina. Ooen field tackles..never fooled
I find it funny that this guy claimed to have THE defense to stop Patrick Mahomes and never managed to beat Mahomes as the Broncos HC. And then the rest of the league went: sounds legit, let's do it
This video has aged well, every single one of these guys has been fired since this video has been released
I’m glad you commented this
Is this why we've seen so many low scoring games the past two seasons, because this defense makes teams do lots of runs and checkdowns? Also, does this mean the Lions will turn back into a pumpkin next season now that they don't get 4 divisional games against defenses that give up everything they do best, lol.
lol cuz miami players were more worried ab partying n living the miami lifestyle instead of playing good football.... former broncos all pro even praising him
I was referring to the assistants...I'm an Eagles fan I'm praying that Fangio works in Philly
Yeah this clown should stick to madden
Marcus at it again teaching me more about football in 25 minutes than a lifetime of watching ESPN
Friends don’t let friends watch BSPN
How about you find out for yourself…
ESPN is for the lowest common denominator.
No offense to this guy, but watching the score ticker on the bottom will teach you more than ESPN
But what about hearing boomer go "whoop!"
I love how you and Brett kollman both watched the Vikings play the lions and thought "well someone has got to put a stop to this"
That system is a nitpicky one. But the target of that defense has successfully dogged that defense. Sorry.
These 25 minutes perfectly put into words the months of frustrations I’ve been subjected to watching Seattle play lifeless and toothless defense for the most part
As a fellow Seattle fan I share your pain
Amen, brother.
I think the Seahawks defense has highs and lows but you have to attribute it as well that many of their defensive talents are inexperienced rookies as well. For what they have accomplished with their highs (and lows) its still hats off the Carroll and Hurtt/Desai to get those results with running that kind of scheme. Along with the rotation style of play they do with their front 7. Though moving forward they need to have more solid talents to be the foundation to their defense.
Seattle hardly runs a "Vic Fangio defense." It's literally the occasional 3 man front with a lot of those whacky 2 man fronts, and the same coverages we've been running since Pete got here. Also, we just don't have the personnel to run a 3-4 at the moment.
As a browns fan I offer my condolences,
14:35 the amount of times Donatell has asked Z and Hunter to cover this year is absolutely infuriating - thanks for making this video, great analysis!
something like 61 plays so far, I remember hearing
Absolutely!!!!
It's funny because this is how we feel watching Preston Smith trying to cover Jefferson in week 1.
Eagles fan here and the amount of times I’ve seen our edges in a curl flat zone is very frustrating.
Anything donatell does is infuriating
I love more defensive analysis. So much content on TH-cam is Offense and QB specific. Inject this into my VEINS.
Exactly man rn there are so many great defensive units with bad offenses like the Patriots, Broncos and even the Colts defense is underrated despite what happened with the Cowboys because Ryna threw 3 picks. But sometimes I wish I'd see analysis on why the Patriots defense is good instead of why the Patriots offense is bad because they are the strength of the team and that pass rush is insane
With how much the league has gotten away from the run, I'm shocked not a single DC has tried evolving the 4-3 with 2 thumper type safeties replacing 2 of the linebackers.
This video has been one of my favorite videos this football season. As a broncos fan I have seen the success of the fangio defense. With fangio and ejiro eviro who both run fangio system. I think Eviro has been so good this year has been because he adapted this system but adapted it in a way that isn't afraid to rush the qb.
Yep! Exactly why I didn't mention them much. They, like a lot of great defenses have learned when to go two high while also still wanting to play defense.
Fangio is that dude. His d have been incredible everywhere he goes
Until this year. Miami put up nice stats but was absolute meh when playing good QBs...glad he's gone...@@kenw2225
Holy heck, this is so accurate😂, MN fans refer to our DC as DonaShell because he sits there with his dbs back 8-10 yards in shell coverage and gets massacred underneath, whenever DonaShell wakes up for 30 seconds and sends a blitz with some tight coverage it’s like a miracle and we start playing decent defense again
Fangio is really good at communicating schemes and giving players simple keys and progressions to run his schemes. Great communication skills are not all that common. Fangio has also said it's critically important to have an offense that doesn't get off the field quickly and tire out the DBs and DL. He wants a good running game or a ball possession passing offense that is not in a hurry.
This video should win a Grammy
Shouldn't it be an emmy
Uh u mean him replaying the same 3 plays over and over on screen? That should be an Emmy? Wow dude, braindead.
Music to your ears?
@@BrandedWings I mean it’s better then cardi b🤷
for?
Great video! I think it’s a good thing to mention how the scheme worked well in LA for Staley because of Donald and Ramsey. He was able to stop the run with basically Donald by himself and Ramsey shut down half the field playing man on their best guy. Freed up alot of their other players to perform well. And cover the rest of the field
Love this!
Are these scheme analyses and more in-depth videos, explaining schemes, concepts etc. something that one gets as a Patreon?
If so, I'm on the hook! I love the explanations, helps me (I live in Germany) understand the game much better and go more into detail.
No, on Patreon my film breakdowns are me sitting down going through the film. This video took a full week's worth of time to get done.
German Football Community✌️✌️
Zählt Österreich auch? 😂
My favorite part of this video is how Vic went to a 6-1 to box McVay and the Rams offense in 2018. Bill used the blueprint that Vic wrote to box the Rams in the SB. Anyone that thinks about 11 personnel thinks about McVay…. So even Fangio knew he had to change it against the 11
6-1 is designed to be a 2 High Shell, not sure what point you're trying to make.
It is pretty amazing how many d-coordinators don't adjust to the personell they have. I definitely saw that with Joe Barry in Washington.
I go back to 2008 with Joe Barry - one thing remains the same - he is a bad DC.
This makes so much sense. It explains why, for years, TEs and routes underneath have been the bane of the Broncos existence
This is true. Kelce has made a HOF CARRER going against us twice a year
I rarely bother to comment, but I'm trying to increase engagement to get the algorithm to push this video more to make up for me not being able to afford to give this man the cash I truly wish I could give for all his hard work and the educational entertainment he has given me over the years. Easily one of the people who has helped me the most survive through being bed ridden so much the past couple of years! Thank you Marcus!
Thanks Travis!!!!
This video explains the repeated failures of the Eagles Defense in the 2023 season almost perfectly.....led by (drum roll please)..... Sean Desai. Thanks for concisely explain what I have been seeing and have not been able to understand completely.
And now he’s back! 😂
Boy do we have some news for you!
@@lam.924lmaoooo
On behalf of Minnesota and Vikings fans around the world, thank you. Seriously.
It’s not that the problems with our defense between the whistles are unapparent. The value here comes from the rigorous correlation between scheme and on-field effect, including the elimination of possible sub-scheme variables toward the end.
It’s smart, and as scientific as can be expected in such an organic field with limited available datapoints. I appreciate the good work. I know the pros see way more than we see, but I hope a few players and coaches get to see this, even if only so that their perceptions can be validated a bit.
Packers fans aswell
Browns fans as well
@@jyak1747 You can say that again.
This is one of the best film breakdowns I've seen from you. You didn't list them, but the Eagles and Gannon's scheme was definitely influenced by Fangio (he's been hanging around Eagles camp this offseason) and Eberflus. We run a lot of cover 4/6/8. We wanted to be able to remain in 2 high which we got taken out of a lot cause of our run defense last year. A big reason we took Jordan Davis and why he's so crucial to making the scheme work. I already knew a good amount of this stuff on Fangio's scheme as its been a hot topic like you mentioned for the past couple years, but I still learned some new things and I think you broke this down in a concise and simple manner that even the average or new football fan can grasp.
A monster nose that can clog the run and blow up a pocket really is the key to making this scheme work, as Aaron Donald showed with the Rams
@@terranceramirez4816 I mean the Eagles have always maintained the importance of their DT talents for years now. Because it also helps out their rotation for their edge talents against the run and makes executing pass rush pressures easier.
@@t4d0W yep. It’s crazy how much people overrate edge rushers and sleep on the importance of DTs.
and now fangio is an eagle
Somebody show this to Howie
As a chargers fan, this perfectly encapsulates what the chargers season has been on defense. Staley being directly from Fangios tree clearly explains the defense and explains the awful run defense. It’s crazy because watching this team, they don’t really seem like the worst rushing defense, but all those 10 and 20 yards runs add up, and usually would let up one huge TD resulting in a crazy YPC for them
I was hoping you’d start with how when Vangio coached defense for the Bears how dominant the scheme was to how it is now
Otherwise, great video
Video would probably be 40 minutes long then! But yeah it used to be an amazing scheme (still can be good imo) but this season coaches have really caught on to how to attack it.
Also the level of communication between DBs needs to be A grade
No need to overthink Fangio's Bears situation. He had the trench talent (prime Hicks) and the secondary talents (Eddie Jackson, prime Fuller) along with help on the edges and the middle of the field. Those guys have been around long playing together so communication is not an issue. You can argue Staley's Rams run had nearly as much top end talent (Donald, Ramsey) but he also understood the weakness of the concept and was better with his communication to his guys for adapting in coverages and simulated pressures to fight off offenses protecting with 6-7 guys.
@@t4d0Wesponding just to make clear how absurdly talented that Bears D was
Safety- Eddie Jackson, Adrian Amos
CB- Kyle Fuller, Prince Amukamara, Bryce Callahan
LB- Roquan Smith, Danny Trevathan
EDGE- Khalil Mack, Leonard Floyd
IDL- Akiem Hicks, Eddie Goldman
They had stars or game breakers at pretty much all levels. Jackson and Smith were both rookies but we’re still huge contributors and Jackson was a pro bowler. Mack, Hicks, Goldman, and Floyd were essentially both an immovable object and a unstoppable force at the same time. Fuller and Amukamara were both very good CB’s who Fangio allowed to play to their strengths (off coverage for Fuller and press man for Amukamara). All this came together meant that beating this defense basically took perfect O-line and QB play along with a lot of help from your own defense to give you enough drives. I still believe that with anything more than a mediocre offense that team we’re Super Bowl favorites that year. The double doink still haunts soldier field, if you listen, you can even hear the screams of 9 millions hearts breaking at the exact same time.
@@IAmDonut_ Eddie was I'm his Second year
As a Broncos fan and football nerd...this video couldn't be more accurate. Nailed it with the importance of safety play in that system and the concepts/ responsibilities. Its also known to be a very difficult system to learn and usually takes 2-3 years to have everyone on the same page. Most coordinators are fired by then in the league so you never get to see it to fruition.
also the "eyes toward the qb at all times" principle makes below average cbs average...average cbs good...and good cbs great
Honestly this might be the best video you've ever made. The stats at the end showing the teams that use the scheme correctly vs the Packers et all was super eye opening
Always good see guys cover this - great stuff.
I've gotten into the weeds on this a bit before. But the real crux of the issue with the Fangio defense is it requires some special talent to successfully execute at a high level. His Cover-6 and Match Quarters stuff requires not just good players but well-rounded and smart players all over the back 7 and DL players who can successfully control gaps gaps vs the run and pass rushers who can get home without much help from blitzing.
Fangio's last team in Chicago had success running his system with Akiem Hicks inside supplemented with Eddie Goldman at NT. Then he had Khalil Mack and Leonard Floyd on the edges. LBs were Roquan and Trevathan. Safeties were Adrian Amos and Eddie Jackson. CBs included Kyle Fuller, Amukamara, and Bryce Callahan. That is a stacked defense front to back. They were the #1 D both overall and against the pass and allowed the fewest points.
He had most of those guys the year before, but it was really the additions of Mack and Roquan that springboarded the defense to truly ridiculous levels, and it's what propelled him to that Denver job.
His 2019 Broncos team had some good safeties (Justin Simmons, Kareem Jackson) and good pass rushers (Von Miller, Bradley Chubb), but the LBs were more of run defenders and the interior DL was lacking in playmakers. But the real issue was the CBs - outside of an aging Chris Harris (his last season in Denver) they had zero talent at the position. Unsurprisingly without that elite talent in Chicago this system only produced middle of the road results.
The 2020 team was even worse, but that's what happens when Von Miller gets hurt. They had the same safeties, LBs, and most of the same IDL, but Bouye was a flop at CB and without Harris they only had Callahan. The 2021 team also had most of the same guys back, but wound up trading Von Miller midseason to the Rams. They did try drafting a CB early (Surtain) and tried to resurrect past success by bringing in Kyle Fuller. But he still didn't have the talent he had at IDL, LB, or CB that he had in Chicago, and thus ended his tenure in Denver.
Brandon Staley was Fangio's LB Coach in Denver in 2019, and left to take the Rams DC job in 2020. His arc is similar to Fangio's and I won't go into as much depth. But the Rams #1 overall defense that season didn't have the same top-to-bottom roster strength Chicago had, but they had enough superstar talent to pull off the Fangio scheme. Aaron Donald inside allowed them to play the run despite being in 2-deep all the time. Jalen Ramsey was able to shut down an entire half of the field in their Match Quarters looks. John Johnson and Jordan Fuller played that smart swiss-army knife safety role so well.
This defense springboarded Staley to his HC job with the Chargers, but he forgot one key ingredient - to bring the talent from the Rams across town. He left behind Donald and Ramsey, whom the Rams supplemented with by trading for Von Miller to shore up their one weakness - edge rush. That Rams defense had enough talent to win the Super Bowl.
Staley's defense with the Chargers though, didn't have those types of playmakers. He didn't have an Aaron Donald inside or a Jalen Ramsey to shut down an entire half of the field. IDL was a wasteland that season, as was CB where he tried to pull a Fangio and resurrect a former playmaker with Chris Harris (it didn't work). They had some good pieces (Bosa, Derwin) but not at the right positions to have a real impact on this scheme. And he had those same issues for the rest of his tenure with the Chargers.
I will also say, I can't find a coaching connection for Lou Anarumo's Bengals D looks exactly the same as described in the video. Off coverage, mix of Cover-6 and Match Quarters with some Cover-3 sprinkled in. Not a lot of blitzing. Relies on the IDL (NT Reader, 3T Hill) to play gap sound and specifically with Reader to do what Aaron Donald did and control 2 gaps to help keep the LBs free to headhunt the ball. Except Lou doesn't quite have that same level of talent that Fangio had in Chicago or Staley had in LA. The pass rush is very subpar outside of Trey. The LBs are..."good" but not great like Roquan and Trevathan. The CBs were better when Chido was healthy prior to 2023, but still not on the level of Fuller, Prince, and Callahan. The other key to Lou's defense was Jessie Bates, who became PFF's #1 overall safety once he got out of Cincy and into a defense that let him freelance and make plays. But he was the key ingredient on the back end, the Jalen Ramsey of Lou's defense. Without Bates Lou's defense regressed mightily in 2023 and probably doesn't improve unless they get an upgrade at safety (maybe move Dax back to the slot).
So the bottom line tl;dr here is, this scheme takes some great talent to succeed. I liken it to option routes for the offense. Option routes let SMART WRs and TEs (and some RBs) recognize coverages and alignments and make the correct read, which also matches the read the QB made. Hence these option route offenses rely heavily on smart players and chemistry between receivers and QBs etc. Defenses that use these Match Quarters systems are basically option defenses. Line up 2 deep but in off coverage and any of those 4 defenders can carry a vertical route if needed, or they can all stay underneath if that's where the routes go. That "2-high" pre-snap look can put as many guys deep or short as needed, and puts guys in plus-leverage situations. But the bottom line is you needed talented SMART players who can all make the same reads (chemistry) and have good communication to pass off everything correctly. OTHERWISE you run into busted coverages, which you see ALL THE TIME from teams trying to run these schemes without smart players. Guys make mistakes, and it only takes 1 to result in a huge play for the offense.
A perfect example was the long completion to Rice in KC's last game vs Cincy. Lined up single-high pre-snap, the Bengals roll coverage at the snap with the near-side CB dropping into a deep-half role. The intent was to have the FS (Dax) roll to his left and be the other deep-half player. But instead Dax read the opposite and rolled to his right, so now there were 2 deep-half players on the same side of the field and ZERO help over-top of the CB on the other side (CTB). So you wind up in a situation where the CB is playing cloud press underneath and expecting safety help...and even though 10 players did their jobs on this snap it only took 1 guy messing up to botch the whole play.
I'm not an expert on the Ravens defensive scheme, but I'm pretty sure I saw them running a bunch of Match Quarters in our games vs them this year. But they have the personnel to execute it. Pierce and Madubuike inside. Roquan and Queen. Humphrey. But most importantly THREE good smart safeties in Williams, Hamilton, and Stone. That's how you get a #1 defense out of a Quarters system.
Anyway, rant over. Loved the vid, as usual. Keep it up.
Amazing read. Do u think coach Mike going to the Seahawks can succeed with his scheme?
I don't know as much about the theories of football as nearly anyone on this board I am sure - it does not matter the success or failure of any scheme is always going to be predicated by the capabilities of the players that are playing in that system. You get players who's talents are able to perform well what the scheme asks of them - well you are going to have success. But the idea that a scheme or that there is one type of better mousetrap for all occasions is pure folly - in football or any athletic endeavor really.
As an eagles fan this video was absolutely jaw dropping. Just crazy!!
Marcus this is one of the best videos you’ve put out, excellent work!
Thanks David!!!
As a broncos fan, i was told how genius fangio was when we hired him. Never once did his defense impress me, it was actually one of the least clutch defenses I’ve ever watched in the 30 years I’ve watch the nfl. When we needed pressure we couldn’t get it, when we needed to stop the run we couldn’t, needed a turnover, not happening, needed anything the defense would just shit the bed. If the defense did anything, it was solely because of the talent of the player and not because of the scheme
Loved every minute of this video (esp as a Vikings fan who's been watching our defense get burned by mediocre quarterbacks), thanks Marcus!
Great vid Marcus, a little bit confused why Ejiro Evro wasn’t outlined in this video as a staley descendent. What he’s done with so many injuries at edge, IDL and Saftey all year is insanely understated
He’s working with the talent Fangio drafted.
I think Evero's results are understated. That offense under Hackett/Kubiak is ass cheeks but Evero's defense held most teams under 3 TDs. If the offense only scored something like 19 points they could have turned those Ls to Ws.
Broncos fan here who wants a whole video on Eviro (please?) That dude seemingly came out of nowhere and made our good defense even better.
I love this style of video. You are truly such a unique and incredible creator in the football space. Single handedly increased by football knowledge by leaps and bounds
So glad you liked it!!
I’m super excited as a Dolphins fan to see what Vic Fangio has been cooking up during his sabbatical. He said he just spent the season studying the game. I can’t wait to see what new developments take place for his defensive scheme in 2023.
I mean Lou Anoromo has long since passed Fangio as a DC and has consistently slowed down Mahomes the last 2 years. Mahomes carved up Lou’s defense that is much MUCH better than the dolphins, and fangio doesnt even have the personnel in his system to run what he wants. That dolphins defense will be mid this year
The one thing I will say is that the 49ers have been running the Fangio six to near perfection this year. Demeco Ryans has been absolutely crucial in executing it and will likely be an NFL head coach next year. It also helps to have arguably the perfect person to run the Fangio six, however, I think if run correctly with the correct personnel, the Fangio six can be absolutely devastating to high-powered passing offenses.
IMO that goes to having the right defensive mind in general with the talent to work around them. Its funny how Fangio himself got popular for his style of play vs Mahomes but for 2 years straight now, DC Lou Anarumo of the Bengals has played Mahomes extremely well. He does run a kooky 3-5-5 look against him but the way he executes and communicates it with his guys gets results. The Niners can execute the good concepts of Fangio's zone stuff but they also don't fall prey to the weaknesses because of how the defense was constructed. The front 4 is absolutely elite even with depth in mind against both pass and run. The linebacker group is great against coverage and the secondary is well disciplined.
You just earned a sub for the obvious effort you put into this video. You made it accessible and more importantly easy to follow and watch which is a big mistake people make. They think people know as much as they do so they think it's not important to make the VIDEO easy and fun to watch and follow
Great content as always, Marcus!
I do think this type of defense can work, but only if:
- Front 4 is deep and elite;
- Starting LBs are great in tackling, coverage and reads
Meaning that there will be a WHOLE lot of resources invested in the front 6 in order to have a good D.
So it can be done successfully, but definitely not the best resources management, IMO.
Marcus- I’ve been watching you since the inception of your channel. I have watched litterly every single video you have uploaded for years. This is the best video you’ve EVER made!
Thanks Ben!!! ❤️
Fangio was what made that system work, the way he called plays and when he blitz, when he played safe, when he risked weird but effective plays.
Turns out, unlike the Dick Lebeau scheme, you actually need to REALLY know what you are doing to make it worth a shit. Most people are not Vic Fangio
Watching the vikings defense this year has been exhausting, between dropping Hunter and Z Smith in coverage, to the wide open checkdowns and short passes for easy 1st downs, to the constantly bad coverage by our dbacks, to the huge amounts of yardage per game, and the worst of all, the lack of adjustments or accountability by donatell, it has been nauseating to watch this team play defense, fire donatell immediately this defense will easily cost us come playoff time.
Edit: yep this take aged like fine wine, the defense did indeed cost us against the giants, thanks for nothing donashell you useless bastard.
love to see you branching out with your content!! learned something new about defensive schemes today, thanks for that!
As a Seahawks fan…thank you for this. I’m tired of this pansy as* defense. Football is not fun without defense
Lol every name on that list... FIRED
It all comes down to pass rush. Look at the team's where Fangio had his best seasons: Harbaugh's 49ers who had Justin Smith and Aldon Smith, Matt Nagy's Bears with Kahlil Mack and Akeem Hicks, and then with the Broncos when they had Von Miller and Bradley Chubb. As any pass play progresses, the longer it takes for the pass rush to get home the bigger the windows in the zone becomes. It all starts up front.
Should be called “Packers fan criticises Vikings defence”
This vid was even better than I expected
Football strategy is a constantly evolving thing.
Defenses adapt, then offenses adapt in response.
No offense will work forever. No defense will work forever.
The best coaches and coordinators understand that and are quick to adapt.
Simple explanation: classic 4-2-5 defensive scheme designed to bring a base 4 man rush while in nickel. Georgia Bulldogs have been running it for years, and that's part of the reason why they've been so dominant (they force teams to beat them on the ground, where they have a physical advantage). 4-2-5 blitzes in passing situations are outright DEADLY because they can bring pressure from multiple creative angles, while the 5 DB look prevents easy reads for the Quarterback.
The counter to a 4-2-5 is to NOT run a spread offense. Motioning for a 1 TE set or even a 1 TE + a lead/trap blocker set creates a massive advantage where a big man is blocking a defensive back, and it is extremely easy for the RB to get into the secondary and break off a good run.
Thank you! I’ve been watching the Joe Woods defense and wonder what in the ______ is he doing and why can’t the players figure this out! Everything you showed is exactly what we’ve seen the past two years. Now I have to dive into your other videos!!!
Quick summary to see if I understood this correctly:
The Fangio Scheme seems like a specific counter to a high-risk, high-reward playstyle that leans toward the reward side the more athletic the QB is - so if you face a team that is running the Fangio Scheme, your best option is to just run the safe plays, even if they are short. Just gobble up the yards piece by piece and don't get distracted by whatever the defense is trying to pose as.
I love to see how well this is doing for you Marcus. 166k views in 2 weeks? That's the best you've ever done. So glad to see you doing so well.
I disagree with the title. Fangio introduced a new defensive meta that literally broke the hot offensive schemes in 2018 and made my Bears a SuperBowl contender. The fact that these incompetent, “wanna be head coaches” can’t adapt to what the offenses are doing to counteract it, is a different story
The Saints defense is doing great it this scheme, however, the Saints defense has linebackers that can cover, and cornerbacks that can play zone. You need the horses to run this scheme, otherwise, it won’t work.
These essay style videos are S tier
Great video. Seahawks fan and it’s frustrating to watch out Defense. When Pete came here, he used the talent he had with the knowledge he brought to make a decent defense. Each year it would improve as he got more of the players he wanted. Right now it feels like none of that is happening. We don’t have the players for this 2 high scheme and they won’t adapt either. It’s awful to see. I hope they get back to a base defense soon. That’s what we were known for and we had a solid D because of it.
There's loads of buzz around Fangio coming to the Niners. We have elite LB's that can cover #1 receivers, much less slots. We have fast safeties than are beasts against the run AND defend the pass lights out. We have solid down linemen and Nick Bosa. I thought Fangio would be a terrible fit but maybe not. Might be awesome. Thx. Great breakdown.
If you run this off-man two high style, you have to have corners who tackle very well in space, linebackers who are very fast laterally and diagnosing screens, and a front four that can win alone. Also your DC has to know when he needs to call press man. In short, you have to be the 49ers. They give away the underneath stuff because their tacklers shoot their guns instead of playing contain, and the rest of the team FLY TO THE BALL. Also Fred Warner can legit cover slot receivers on seam routes.
To add Fred Warner much like Aaron Donald to DT talents is a one of one to coverage linebackers. There may be a metric out there but just watch game film and he defends that part of his field on coverage like no other. He's also got great instincts sniffing out the run so he's all over the run game with his long arms before they try bust out.
Playing corners 7 yards deep on a 3rd and 1. Fucking love joe barry
Amazing video. You took what I had been feeling this nfl season and explained it and put words and stats to it. My first instinct is to say that these guys need to learn to be more adaptive. Instead of running what you run and accepting the results you need to throw in come cover 1, cover 2 man and man blitzes when the situation calls for it.
This was such a brilliant high quality video you should be very proud!
Thank you!!!
Spot on. You need the right personnel. And you need time to teach it or its busted coverage waiting to happen. It can be very good in the right situation because i do think guarding grass will kill a defense. I also think a big problem with this scheme is late matching. By the time they recognize they need to carry or pass off a route, they are already out leveraged even if they make the proper decision.
Great vid. Being a broncos fan, Fangio knew how to adapt but it didn’t always work. Over the past 3 years the big name running backs have done very little to this team however it’s those who are t expected to break loose that do. This outlines the problem, either commit to the run or the explosion of mahomes or Allen
Absolutely spot on, coming from a Charger's fan! I feel all the pains, the getting run all over pains, the easy 20yard daggers pains, the short stuff pains, all the pains....
Do you guys play 10 yards off the line of scrimmage on third and short too or is that just a joe Barry packers thing
@@wyatt2918 Until 4 weeks ago, it was frustrating how comebacks, WR screens and quick outs on 3th and short were so easily coverted on us. Through 6 weeks we had the worst 3rd down rate on defense, in the entire league (run game with soft fronts was also a factor), but the amount of times it happened was insane! There was a game early on the season, that I don't remember who we were playing, converted 5 straight 3rd downs on quick outs with corners 10yards down the field... so infuriating!
Wow this is from a year ago and the 2024 super bowl has just completed. Sometime around the start of the postseason of 2023, Mahomes was saying how he has learned how to not try to make big plays all the time and just take what's there, so kudos on the analysis!
This is absolutely amazing. Thank you for putting this together!
Put some hash tags because you really made something here marcus and I'd love it to hit the millions you deserve.
Good thought, done.
Thank you!
Good video Marcus. What you're describing at the end of this video is the difference between good and bad coaches. Good coaches continuously adapt, bad coaches are egocentric and stagnant, afraid to make a mistake.
Absolutely!
How Fangio did it was very well executed. The others not so much, and that sucks since some of these defenses have talent.
One part is about flexibility and disguising looks, which is something Donatell in Minnesota as an example does not do. I suppose that is the issue with modern defenses though
Great content as always, definetly watching this to see what impact it has on head coaching positions moving forward, being mostly where I feel Ben Johnson shines and would hate to see him go as a Lions fan.
Great video. Off the heels of Kollman's review on the Vikings defense underperforming and you open the whole book as to why Fangio's disciples and THEIR take on their philosophy has overall been disappointing. Part of it is the personnel where you need dem dawgs in key specific positions in the secondary/trenches. Staley's defense has struggled with injuries but he fell prey like the other guys being too predictable with their application of the scheme. Though he IS the better defensive game planner/adjuster of that group when he has to step up. He did it with the Rams (with some top grade talent of course) and as you mentioned, have done so in recent weeks along with a really smart executed gameplan vs the Dolphins pass game and knowing when to put bodies against the run. Without those talents you can see how lackluster the tackling is. The defenses are exploited in mismatches and already are trying to stop a playmaker on the move when the defenders are already in bad positions.
Great video. Much better than anything on ESPN
This is a brilliant video, Marcus. Well done.
Let's hope Staley continues to show adaptability this season. He is on the hot seat but has it in him (as you mention towards the end).
Scheme flexibility is key.
Keep up the great work.
The scheme works if you have the d-line for it. Quinn & Mack/Von made the scheme look better than it really is. But that rings true for pretty much all schemes. Even Seattle's LOB wouldn't have been what it was w/o Bennett, Avril, etc. Teams hired Seattle coaches but couldn't replicate the succes
I enjoyed you and zach's sitdown, 2 of my favorite independent football youtubers. You all should do more
It's exhausting and frustrating to watch the Ed Donatell run defense in Minnesota. The utter lack of desire to fix the problems caused by scheme come through in everything he says.
Very interesting video and breakdown. You can be the best play caller in the world but you still need the dudes to make it happen. The chart with the 10% 4-2 from was very telling. All have elite/really good front 7s. The bad ones don’t
good vid, one quibble -I'm pretty sure weighted DVOA makes more recent, all DVOA is opponent adjusted
As a Hawks fan this is exactly what i have been feeling. There is no changing the scheme when we play Sam Darnald or when we play Pat Mahomes. That is stupid and makes no sense.
This is a great analysis video, keep doing more like them.
All these comments saying this system only works if you have good players....what defensive scheme works with bad players?
This is a master peice how is this free on youtube love the content you are fantastic
Thank you!
Great video! This is the first time I have run across your channel. Subscribed right away. You do a great job of breaking things down and make it easy to understand. I look forward to binging a bunch of your videos! Thanks so much!
Thank you Geoffrey!!!
My understanding is Demeco used the same, or very similar, style of defense with the 49ers and they were insanely good with it.
Adaptiveness is what competent coaching staffs specialize in. That's why is the Not For Long league.
I was always wondering why we saw many more explosive run plays this season. Your analysis here is spot on. Earned a sub.
Knew instantly who you were talking about when I saw the title. Fangios scheme works, when you actually give a sh*t. Unlike Joe Berry, Joe Woods and Ed Donatell.
Quarters style coverage works when you press the buttons right for it. DC Lou Anarumo of the Bengals leads the league in running 3-5-5 looks but he's VERY specific about it (i.e. Chiefs) and he throws specific players on the match ups to make it work.
This is why Eddie Jackson was the perfect fit in the Fangio scheme…love Eberflus, but I wish we could have Fangio back
Great video. I had seen you refer to this video in a couple other videos. It was very informative.
Worst coaching tree of all time.
Thanks for showing me why my Lions have looked so successful this year. I love St Brown and it feels like he's always open.
i also have to add...Bellycheck is not the best coach in history, Bellycheck is a below average head coach but is possibly the best DC in history who has a losing record without Brady at QB. The honor of best coach has to go to:
Joe Gibbs.
154-94 (16 years), 17-7 in playoffs
5 division titles in the hay day of the NFC East
4 Super Bowl appearances with 4 different qbs none of which were elite Theismann, Doug Williams, Jay Schroeder, and Mark Rypien (XVII, XVIII, XXII, XXVI)
Super Bowl XVII, XXII, XXVI champion
At the time of his enshrinement in the Hof he had a 68.3% winning percentage. This was tarnished by a bit when he came back to washington to try and bring the franchise back from the dead which was happening till Sean Taylor was murdered and he quit.
He led teams to 14 top 10 offences 5x being top 5 and twice being the best offence in the league never having a top tier QB.
Also think about this...other than Gibbs only Bill Parcells has won a super bowl with more than 1 qb and he only did it with 2 not 3.
Really nice, and well done vid. You explained the issues very well. Thank you. 👍🏼
This type of split-field defense works well at lower levels of the sport rather than the nfl because of a couple of factors A) a general lower quality of QB play & B) a difference in rules. I honestly believe that the latter of those factors is the bigger one however, that being lower levels of football are allowed to jam receivers so long as the ball isn’t in the air, where as in the nfl, you can touch the defender past five yards.
On your point about the run, at the lower levels, we tend to put emphasis on the blitz, however having DEs hands in the dirt is also fairly common (in both base 3-3 or 4-2, which is what is common in the area I coach)
Bills fan but clueless when it comes to schemes here.
Would you describe the Bills D *with a healthy tre white, Hyde and poyer* a similar style of D? Listening to your description of needs, the players absolutely meet the requirements. I just don’t know if that’s what McDermott and Fraizer implement.
The Fangio defense is nothing new. Quarters is and has always been around. He just disguises it a little.
Wow Brandon Staley just fired too!
This is really great! I learned a lot about defensive scheme and it was super interesting.
Very telling that all of these teams defenses that are involved with the Vangio tree, have bad defenses. The Broncos defense is actually a lot better now than it was with Vangio.
When I saw the title 😩 I screamed, "FINALLY THE PROMISED VID" Idk if you realised how much you've hinted at this vid coming in your recent vids and you got me hyped for it 😂
Thanks for putting an entire video together that confirmed my biases 🔥🔥🔥
It only works if you have a top tier defense, and guys to come in when linemen etc get tired. Its a good defense, but takes extreme discipline and stamina. Ooen field tackles..never fooled
Just so people dont get confused, he sometimes mixes up Joe and Brandon Staley. Simple mistake.
Too many Joe's here lmao and Joe Staley was a great Tackle!!!
Without a doubt your best edited and most put together video. Good job Marcus
I find it funny that this guy claimed to have THE defense to stop Patrick Mahomes and never managed to beat Mahomes as the Broncos HC. And then the rest of the league went: sounds legit, let's do it