I love that Michael Brauer works with "this house is not for sale" from "bon jovi". Hearing a bit of the mix of that song, I feel like I'm in heaven. Make Michael keep working on that song. Greetings :)
Im abit late to the party but im trying to implement Brauerizing into my mixes now, it has completely changed the way i hear Michaels mixes today. They always sounded the best and now i understand why and can really hear it with focused ears. Thank you 🙂
3:35 You can actually hear the cymbals cut through the mix, particularly the left channel and the low end is very defined 5:08 The high end isn't as energetic and the low end of the kick is almost absent That's the biggest difference I heard.
I can make out the lyrics better without a,b,c. Abc tends to washout the vox but make it wider more aggressive, but that's not so uncommon these days as people are less lyric-centric and more hook-centric listeners.
To A/B them quickly, hop back and forth from 3:14 to 4:49 and the difference is stark. The stereo imaging on the first is 100x better. Every individual bus gets its own designer processing to optimize levels and clarity. Then the final mix was summed to the master bus two-track output only needing a kiss more limiting to glue it together. The later version is mixed just using the master stereo out bus. Given that modern DAWs offer virtually unlimited bus counts, who would ever mix straight to the master output stereo bus?
If you watch the entire video, it’s obvious that the first clip uses multiple bus processing and the second clip does not. Of course the earlier clip is far, far better.
If you are new to mixing (like me) I would avoid this technique for now, I fell down a rabbit hole with this. Mixing into compression is hard enough let alone with four of them. I became obsessed with the idea and spent hours calibrating compressors/plug-ins and even tried this with 4 x 5oo series compressors . My mixes sounded flat and lifeless. This man is a mult-award winning producer who has perfected this tecnique over many years. He knows his equipment and studio intimately as you can see In the video. I've had far better results just concentrating on my balance and panning-ensuring every move I make in the studio has an intention and purpose rather than obsessing over expensive equipment and advanced techniques.
@@AI-Consultant sure, you just set up 4 x aux busses and put a compressor on each one, and buss all your instruments to the four groups based on their frequency range. You have to calibrate the compressors so they achieve 1db of gain reduction when they pass your maximum mix threshold I.e -18db or k14, whatever you mix to. There's a bit more to it than that but there's various places find more information on it including Michaels own web page. You may want to match a similar compressor that he uses for each buss like a distressor for your b buds etc. But that's my point really, your just just mimiking what someone else has done without thinking why. But it may work out for you (or I was doing it wrong?) give it try. That idea of mixing into compression or top -down mixing that I hear so much about doesn't work for me yet.
Sounds like you have some phase issues if it falls flat. Have in mind if you watch people on the internet telling you how to set it up, much of it is not the right way if you're working in the box. Go to his website there's a long article where he explains it. It is possible in the box but you really really have to watch out for phase cancelation. There's also interviews where he talks about it (and says that most of what's on the internet is not the right way.)
Ingrish: Let's look at what's going on with the stereo Buss. So I've got the SSL going and I have the Germanium (Chandler Limited Germanium Compressor) is going and I have the Curve Bender (Chandler Limited Curve Bender EQ) is in but it's really just to bring the level down. Although when you put in a Curve Bender, It tends to open up a bit in sound and it's going through all the circuits and it just, it feels really good. So, even if there is no EQ it, it opens up the sound a little bit. So, inherently by by activating the Curve Bender, It's doing something to it. You know, the last thing I want to do on this track, on this record, is to get it to sound overly compressed. That was a complaint that they'd had, that they wanted to avoid. So I made sure that, and let's see. We've go to the chorus, where it's generally louder. Let's see how much is going on. 01:06 It's it’s you know, it's barely 3 (-3 dB). I mean this is a standard of what its setting and, you know, and it's a it's at 30:1, 4:1 Ratio, 1 ms Release, that's really quick and I just got nothing it's just sits there and it's just playing. It's really it's it's just it's just taiming it at a tiny tiny bit is you know, and then the Germaniums are same thing because the blend that I have, it's a wet dry blend leaning way more towards dry like at about 2:00 o’clock. So, what you're seeing there is really not compression, but just how the input is going in and it's again, it's light but you add all this up at a little things I'm doing and then you still got a lot of levels. Still punchy. The perceived level is louder than it seems to be just because that's what Multibus Compression can do, just small. It's again, on this particular track, I'm just doing a little bit, a lot of places and it adds up and it feels natural. 02:20 All right. So, let's see how this works… At my seminar, what I do is I show I'll put up the tracks, and I'll just send it to the Stereo Bus without any of my ABCD (Gear Racks) and then, I'll I'll do it again with my processing on it. Now. It's going to be a little bit different because on some of these I'm doubling up, for example, the the guitar solo, but for now, we're just going to, let's see what happens. I'm just going to do, the B part of the section of the verse going into the chorus on.. and let's see what that sounds like the way it is now. And then if I just put everything to the stereo. 03:57 Okay, so now we'll just take all that off and put it through to A (A Rack) let's see what happens. Oh, no, bypass all of that. Now, I have an idea, take B off (B Rack off), take C off (C Rack off), D off (D Rack off), and then we'll just send stuff to here. 04:39 So, same section now, just going to the stereo. Everything seems to be just going to the stereo. See what happens. 05:33 Some of the blends aren't right because it's.. if I'm going to buses A and D. It's obviously more gain. So the balances are a bit off on the vocals, but you can hear the difference between the openness and the excitement of when I'm using ABC. As opposed to what I'm not. So it's to me, it's pretty obvious, just why I use ABCD. *Keep correcting it and translating it to other languages
That sharp sidechain is super distracting. A tad longer of a release couldn't hurt. It's always weird seeing great engineers in videos with questionable audio.
That's in the past for him, he's gone in the box now as he now has his home studio and haven't been in the NYC studio for a long time. There's plenty recent interviews of him talking about it. He says he put the Brainworx SSL 9000 on each channel to still get the same feel (he worked with them to get the sound right of that plugin.)
Sure Inspirational is great- BUT how does this Really play out? Do you have three separate buses with different types of compressors on them? and you send individual tracks to either A, B or C bus? And then those ABC buses are routed directly to master boss? Aloso Is this an afterthought, after you individually compressed each channel as necessary? Or is there no compression on any of the individual channels only what is sent parallel to the A B or C buses.. ? Thanks a little text and a description about setting this up would be great
WOW that's way too many questions, but I'll try my best to help you. I'll answer your questions in the order that you used to ask them. 1. You need to understand that it's ABCD not just ABC. A - Instruments that are in the upper midrange of a song (vocals, guitar, synth, etc.) B - Instruments that anchor the song such as drums, bass, maybe cello, congas. C - Instruments that create transient midrange power and will have a lot of rides, such as guitars. D - Instruments that need the warmth of tube and are not played staccato. 2. It's 4 separate buses, not 3. Buss A has a Neve 33609 into Pultec EQ 1a3s. Buss B has a Distressor. Buss C has the Pendulum ES-8. Finally, Buss D has the TFPro plus a stereo widener. 3. Yes (as shown above). 4. Yes. 5. You have to compress individual sounds, the bus compression isn't doing a lot of compression it's often around 1-2dB of gain reduction. This is why he uses tube compressors because they add character and attitude. It's more of a feel. Good luck.
@@audiospectra WOW "Now that's a horse of a different color" You Nailed It! That was totally informative. Now this video Holds weight. That may have been a lot questions for you but without your fantastic explanations this video was so vague🧐 Almost all of your entire answer is either not mentioned or explained in this video. So on behalf of myself and anyone who reads this.. thank you! thank you! thank you! Now we can go and actually apply this in some version. And we could have ABCD ..EFG? 😆 thank you 🤘🏽🙏🏽🧨
BR Vamos ver o que está acontecendo com o Stereo Bus. Então eu tenho o SSL funcionando e eu tenho o Germanium (Chandler Limited Germanium Compressor) e eu tenho o Curve Bender (Chandler Limited Curve Bender EQ), mas é realmente apenas para diminuir o Level ("Volume/Amplitude/Gain"). Embora quando você coloca um Curve Bender, ele tende a se abrir um pouco no som e está passando por todos os circuitos e soa muito bem (é muito bom). Então, mesmo que não haja EQ, ele abre um pouco o som. Então, inerentemente ao ativar o Curve Bender, está fazendo algo com o som/audio. Você sabe, a última coisa que quero fazer nessa faixa (neste track), nesse disco (gravação/record), é fazer com que soe excessivamente compactado/comprimido (overly compressed). Essa era uma reclamação que eles tinham, que eles queriam evitar. Então eu me certifiquei disso, e vamos ver. Nós vamos para o refrão (chorus), onde geralmente é mais alto (louder). Vamos ver o quanto está acontecendo. 01:06 É.. você sabe, é quase 3 (-3 dB). Quero dizer, este é um padrão de sua configuração ("desejado" no SSL Compressor) e você sabe, está em 30:1, 4:1 Ratio, 1 ms Release, isso é muito rápido e eu não tenho coisa alguma a mais, está apenas parado/repousando (por volta de -3 dB) e está apenas tocando. Está apenas ajustando/dominando (o sinal) bem pouquinho, você sabe.. e então os Germaniuns são a mesma coisa porque a mistura (blend) que eu tenho, é uma mistura wet/dry (seca e úmida), inclinando-se mais para o dry (seco), por volta das 2 horas (10° no relógio). Então, o que você está vendo não é realmente Compressão (compression), mas apenas como a entrada de áudio (input) está sendo processado e é novamente, é leve (light), mas você adiciona tudo isso em pequenas coisas (ajustes) que estou fazendo e ainda tem muitos níveis (levels). Ainda pungente (punchy). O nível/volume percebido (perceived level) é mais alto do que parece ser apenas porque é isso que o Multibus Compression pode fazer, apenas pequeno (ajustes). É novamente, nesta faixa em particular, estou apenas fazendo um pouco, em muitos lugares e isso se soma e parece/soa natural. 02:20 Tudo bem. Então, vamos ver como isso funciona... No meu seminário, o que eu faço é mostrar que vou colocar as faixas (tracks individuais) e vou enviar para o Stereo Bus sem nenhum dos meus ABCD (racks de equipamentos de áudio) e então, eu vou fazer isso de novo com meu processamento nele (no mix, na mixagem). Agora, vai ser um pouco diferente porque em alguns deles eu estou dobrando (doubling it / em paralelo / simultâneo), por exemplo, o solo de guitarra, mas por enquanto, vamos apenas ver o que acontece. Eu só vou fazer, a parte B da seção/parte do verso entrando no refrão (chorus)... e vamos ver como isso soa do jeito que está agora. E então quando/se eu simplesmente colocar tudo no estéreo. 03:57 Ok, agora vamos tirar tudo isso e passar para A (Rack A) vamos ver o que acontece. Oh, não, ignore tudo isso. Agora, eu tenho uma ideia, tirando B (Rack B desligado), tirando C (Rack C desligado), tirando D (Rack D desligado) e assim nós vamos enviar as coisas para aqui. 04:39 Então, mesma seção/parte agora, apenas indo para o estéreo. Tudo parece estar apenas indo para o estéreo. Veja o que acontece (quando adiciona o processamento multibus com os racks). 05:33 Algumas das misturas (blends) não estão certas porque se eu estiver indo para os buses A e D. É obviamente mais alto/ganho. Então o balanço está um pouco fora nos vocais, mas você consegue ouvir a diferença entre a abertura e a emoção/melhora de quando estou usando o ABC. Ao contrário de quando não uso. Então é para mim, é bastante óbvio, porque eu uso ABCD (Multibus Processing / pequenos ajustes usando vários buses/canais de retorno/processamento/efeitos). * Continue corrigindo e traduzindo para outros idiomas * Não domino o vocabulário de áudio usado no Brasil, apesar de ser brasileiro. * Ele vendeu os racks ABCD (Vídeo: The Michael Brauer Collection Complete Gear Rundown! - Alto Music) e ficou com poucos equipamentos favoritos para trabalhar o máximo possível ITB (in the box/computador), ele fez uma recriação dos ABCD ITB também. Os equipamentos que ele tinha eram praticamente todos modificados de alguma forma.
No, it doesn't have the same effect. The 4 compressors that he used on his ABCD buses are all doing about 1-2dB of gain reduction. He uses the buss compressors to add character and attitude. Hence he's only using tube compressors.
Vamos ver o que está acontecendo com o Stereo Bus. Então eu tenho o SSL funcionando e eu tenho o Germanium (Chandler Limited Germanium Compressor) e eu tenho o Curve Bender (Chandler Limited Curve Bender EQ), mas é realmente apenas para diminuir o Level ("Volume/Amplitude/Gain"). Embora quando você coloca um Curve Bender, ele tende a se abrir um pouco no som e está passando por todos os circuitos e soa muito bem (é muito bom). Então, mesmo que não haja EQ, ele abre um pouco o som. Então, inerentemente ao ativar o Curve Bender, está fazendo algo com o som/audio. Você sabe, a última coisa que quero fazer nessa faixa (neste track), nesse disco (gravação/record), é fazer com que soe excessivamente compactado/comprimido (overly compressed). Essa era uma reclamação que eles tinham, que eles queriam evitar. Então eu me certifiquei disso, e vamos ver. Nós vamos para o refrão (chorus), onde geralmente é mais alto (louder). Vamos ver o quanto está acontecendo. 01:06 É.. você sabe, é quase 3 (-3 dB). Quero dizer, este é um padrão de sua configuração ("desejado" no SSL Compressor) e você sabe, está em 30:1, 4:1 Ratio, 1 ms Release, isso é muito rápido e eu não tenho coisa alguma a mais, está apenas parado/repousando (por volta de -3 dB) e está apenas tocando. Está apenas ajustando/dominando (o sinal) bem pouquinho, você sabe.. e então os Germaniuns são a mesma coisa porque a mistura (blend) que eu tenho, é uma mistura wet/dry (seca e úmida), inclinando-se mais para o dry (seco), por volta das 2:00 horas (10° no relógio). Então, o que você está vendo não é realmente Compressão (compression), mas apenas como a entrada de áudio (input) está sendo processado e é novamente, é leve (light), mas você adiciona tudo isso em pequenas coisas (ajustes) que estou fazendo e ainda tem muitos níveis (levels). Ainda pungente (punchy). O nível/volume percebido (perceived level) é mais alto do que parece ser apenas porque é isso que o Multibus Compression pode fazer, apenas pequeno (ajustes). É novamente, nesta faixa em particular, estou apenas fazendo um pouco, em muitos lugares e isso se soma e parece/soa natural. 02:20 Tudo bem. Então, vamos ver como isso funciona... No meu seminário, o que eu faço é mostrar que vou colocar as faixas (tracks individuais) e vou enviar para o Stereo Bus sem nenhum dos meus ABCD (racks de equipamentos de áudio) e então, eu vou fazer isso de novo com meu processamento nele (no mix, na mixagem). Agora, vai ser um pouco diferente porque em alguns deles eu estou dobrando (doubling it / em paralelo / simultâneo), por exemplo, o solo de guitarra, mas por enquanto, vamos apenas ver o que acontece. Eu só vou fazer, a parte B da seção/parte do verso entrando no refrão (chorus)... e vamos ver como isso soa do jeito que está agora. E então quando/se eu simplesmente colocar tudo no estéreo. 03:57 Ok, agora vamos tirar tudo isso e passar para A (Rack A) vamos ver o que acontece. Oh, não, ignore tudo isso. Agora, eu tenho uma ideia, tirando B (Rack B desligado), tirando C (Rack C desligado), tirando D (Rack D desligado) e assim nós vamos enviar as coisas para aqui. 04:39 Então, mesma seção/parte agora, apenas indo para o estéreo. Tudo parece estar apenas indo para o estéreo. Veja o que acontece (quando adiciona o processamento multibus com os racks). 05:33 Algumas das misturas (blends) não estão certas porque se eu estiver indo para os buses A e D. É obviamente mais alto/ganho. Então o balanço está um pouco fora nos vocais, mas você consegue ouvir a diferença entre a abertura e a emoção/melhora de quando estou usando o ABC. Ao contrário de quando não uso. Então é para mim, é bastante óbvio, porque eu uso ABCD (Multibus Processing / pequenos ajustes usando vários buses/canais de retorno/processamento/efeitos). * Não faço a mínima ideia do vocabulário de áudio no Brasil porque aprendo tudo em outros idiomas e no geral por aqui nem sempre vejo um padrão de vocabulário. Estou aprendendo aos poucos como se fala aqui no Brasil mesmo sendo brasileiro.
Ele vendeu os racks ABCD (Vídeo: The Michael Brauer Collection Complete Gear Rundown! - Alto Music) e ficou com poucos equipamentos favoritos para trabalhar o máximo possível ITB (in the box/computador), ele fez uma recriação dos ABCD ITB também. Os equipamentos que ele tinha eram praticamente todos modificados de alguma forma.
Sounds like a so so recording (in a few ways). RIP dynamics. No wonder they think all their stuff sounds overcompressed with nothing to cut through the mix. No builds, no drops, no swells or variation, just things starting and stopping. Whew kids. And dear god, does the singer really want to make that voice his whole career? It sounds like Dave Mustane attempting that bad early 00's yarl-rock sound. Imagine having to do that voice every night for the next 47 years lol. My throat hurts just thinking about it. In any case; Good clean up of some challenging material without taking away what's unique. The band should be more than impressed with your work. p.s. I just realized thats Fscking Bon Jovi. My comments stand. "lol" said the record exec "lmao"
Saw a video where he sold all his outboard gear on Alto Music and got an Avid S6 and went totally in the box. A few days I received a text from my Alto Music rep asking if I know anyone interested jn buying Michael Brauer’s S6. Wonder what’s going on 🤷🏻♂️
@@sicknoterecordings Agree. Just wondering what Michael Brauer is doing if he offloaded all his analog gear, bought an S6, now selling his S6, maybe he’s consolidating to a smaller controller setup while still in the box. Alto Music is asking $90k for his S6.
Jesus, I think that rig rundown was basically an advert to bump the price up, as he was saying on each piece of gear how bespoke it was and he had it modified. I watched another video and I belive yes, he has gone to a smaller rig ( diring lockdown) with a few of things he can't do without and has been using a midi controller. I'm not sure he is entirely in the box, but like most of the big producers they say they have done and can do if they want to.
Absolutely; it's not about the equipment, it's the knowledge and techniques. Brauer himself moved to an entirely in the box setup a few years ago, sold off most of his outboard gear.
Dope! But one huge thing i dont miss about hardware is looking waaayyy over like he is for what the settings are. Slide waaaay over to change a setting then slide back to mixer 😂... reach way down on mixer to change a volume.
You can get the same results using your DAW and plugins. Even Michael Brauer is no longer using outboard gear, he's now 99.9% in the box. There's even a video where he sold all his outboard gear on Alto Music.
Braver has himself said otherwise. "When I took the console out, I was kinda surprised how much more I got". "It was clogging the sound of my outboard"
OCD ppl like me can’t tolerate that chair! I mean: there’s equipment for tens (if not hundred) thousand $ worth. Can’t you buy a chair that does not creak when you move?
The output transformers in some of that outboard gear can turn things to silk without setting any adjustments. I’ve got a Urei 537 graphic EQ I have no intention of using for its graphic EQ or it’s noisy sliders - to me it sounds a heck of a lot like the ‘magic’ going on in the original Pultecs. It’s the biggest transformer in my arsenal. Same with guitar amps, a lot of the distortion comes from pushing the transformers, not from saturating the tubes.
Yeah, like LA-3As on electric guitars, you don't even have to use the compression or limiting, just run it through it and it's magic. It brings everything upfront and in your face!
I bet the actual release has absolutely no dynamics as everything gets squashed to death with high gain limiting anyways. You call that music? I call that distortion.
The video is a teaser for you to go to the MWTM website to watch the entire thing. You don't need outboard gear to do multi-bus processing like Brauer. In case you didn't know, he sold all his gear and he's now doing all of this in the box. All the best 😎
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Full video available exclusively on mwtm.org/mb-bon-jovi
MWTM has been such a great source for self-improvement in audio engineering.
I love that Michael Brauer works with "this house is not for sale" from "bon jovi". Hearing a bit of the mix of that song, I feel like I'm in heaven. Make Michael keep working on that song. Greetings :)
Ever since ive been "Brauerizing" my mixes I got alot better at letting each song tell its story! Thanks Michael Brauer!!!
Im abit late to the party but im trying to implement Brauerizing into my mixes now, it has completely changed the way i hear Michaels mixes today. They always sounded the best and now i understand why and can really hear it with focused ears. Thank you 🙂
3:35 You can actually hear the cymbals cut through the mix, particularly the left channel and the low end is very defined
5:08 The high end isn't as energetic and the low end of the kick is almost absent
That's the biggest difference I heard.
@D-bomb whoa
I can make out the lyrics better without a,b,c. Abc tends to washout the vox but make it wider more aggressive, but that's not so uncommon these days as people are less lyric-centric and more hook-centric listeners.
To A/B them quickly, hop back and forth from 3:14 to 4:49 and the difference is stark.
The stereo imaging on the first is 100x better. Every individual bus gets its own designer processing to optimize levels and clarity. Then the final mix was summed to the master bus two-track output only needing a kiss more limiting to glue it together.
The later version is mixed just using the master stereo out bus.
Given that modern DAWs offer virtually unlimited bus counts, who would ever mix straight to the master output stereo bus?
Even through my tiny phone speaker the difference is very audible.
Yeah , and if I may , he made the mix sound smaller , not better
I prefer it at 3:14 TBH
Sounds more distorted at 449 from my phone
If you watch the entire video, it’s obvious that the first clip uses multiple bus processing and the second clip does not. Of course the earlier clip is far, far better.
One of the greatest, we appreciate you Mr Brauer
I've seen all of Brauer's videos on MWTM and they are very inspirational.
If you are new to mixing (like me) I would avoid this technique for now, I fell down a rabbit hole with this. Mixing into compression is hard enough let alone with four of them. I became obsessed with the idea and spent hours calibrating compressors/plug-ins and even tried this with 4 x 5oo series compressors . My mixes sounded flat and lifeless. This man is a mult-award winning producer who has perfected this tecnique over many years. He knows his equipment and studio intimately as you can see In the video. I've had far better results just concentrating on my balance and panning-ensuring every move I make in the studio has an intention and purpose rather than obsessing over expensive equipment and advanced techniques.
makes sense. but can this be done with plugins/daw?
@@AI-Consultant sure, you just set up 4 x aux busses and put a compressor on each one, and buss all your instruments to the four groups based on their frequency range. You have to calibrate the compressors so they achieve 1db of gain reduction when they pass your maximum mix threshold I.e -18db or k14, whatever you mix to. There's a bit more to it than that but there's various places find more information on it including Michaels own web page. You may want to match a similar compressor that he uses for each buss like a distressor for your b buds etc. But that's my point really, your just just mimiking what someone else has done without thinking why. But it may work out for you (or I was doing it wrong?) give it try. That idea of mixing into compression or top -down mixing that I hear so much about doesn't work for me yet.
Sounds like you have some phase issues if it falls flat. Have in mind if you watch people on the internet telling you how to set it up, much of it is not the right way if you're working in the box. Go to his website there's a long article where he explains it. It is possible in the box but you really really have to watch out for phase cancelation. There's also interviews where he talks about it (and says that most of what's on the internet is not the right way.)
Love it, my man! PAAAAREACH!!!
Ingrish:
Let's look at what's going on with the stereo Buss. So I've got the SSL going and I have the Germanium (Chandler Limited Germanium Compressor) is going and I have the Curve Bender (Chandler Limited Curve Bender EQ) is in but it's really just to bring the level down. Although when you put in a Curve Bender, It tends to open up a bit in sound and it's going through all the circuits and it just, it feels really good. So, even if there is no EQ it, it opens up the sound a little bit. So, inherently by by activating the Curve Bender, It's doing something to it. You know, the last thing I want to do on this track, on this record, is to get it to sound overly compressed. That was a complaint that they'd had, that they wanted to avoid. So I made sure that, and let's see. We've go to the chorus, where it's generally louder. Let's see how much is going on.
01:06
It's it’s you know, it's barely 3 (-3 dB). I mean this is a standard of what its setting and, you know, and it's a it's at 30:1, 4:1 Ratio, 1 ms Release, that's really quick and I just got nothing it's just sits there and it's just playing. It's really it's it's just it's just taiming it at a tiny tiny bit is you know, and then the Germaniums are same thing because the blend that I have, it's a wet dry blend leaning way more towards dry like at about 2:00 o’clock. So, what you're seeing there is really not compression, but just how the input is going in and it's again, it's light but you add all this up at a little things I'm doing and then you still got a lot of levels. Still punchy. The perceived level is louder than it seems to be just because that's what Multibus Compression can do, just small. It's again, on this particular track, I'm just doing a little bit, a lot of places and it adds up and it feels natural.
02:20
All right. So, let's see how this works… At my seminar, what I do is I show I'll put up the tracks, and I'll just send it to the Stereo Bus without any of my ABCD (Gear Racks) and then, I'll I'll do it again with my processing on it. Now. It's going to be a little bit different because on some of these I'm doubling up, for example, the the guitar solo, but for now, we're just going to, let's see what happens. I'm just going to do, the B part of the section of the verse going into the chorus on.. and let's see what that sounds like the way it is now. And then if I just put everything to the stereo.
03:57
Okay, so now we'll just take all that off and put it through to A (A Rack) let's see what happens.
Oh, no, bypass all of that. Now, I have an idea, take B off (B Rack off), take C off (C Rack off), D off (D Rack off), and then we'll just send stuff to here.
04:39
So, same section now, just going to the stereo. Everything seems to be just going to the stereo. See what happens.
05:33
Some of the blends aren't right because it's.. if I'm going to buses A and D. It's obviously more gain. So the balances are a bit off on the vocals, but you can hear the difference between the openness and the excitement of when I'm using ABC. As opposed to what I'm not. So it's to me, it's pretty obvious, just why I use ABCD.
*Keep correcting it and translating it to other languages
That sharp sidechain is super distracting. A tad longer of a release couldn't hurt. It's always weird seeing great engineers in videos with questionable audio.
yes 100%. super distracting
🙄
It was really bothering
I guess Mix with the Masters could use their own courses :)
Very true! Ask those masters to come back
Questioning Michael Brauer is crazy
Michael. The man himself. 🙃😉
You got to love a real console and real outboard gear....and in this case, an engineer who knows his craft well.
Philip
NYC Area
Amen to that I still like recording with SSL and tape to 24tk. Studer
That's in the past for him, he's gone in the box now as he now has his home studio and haven't been in the NYC studio for a long time. There's plenty recent interviews of him talking about it. He says he put the Brainworx SSL 9000 on each channel to still get the same feel (he worked with them to get the sound right of that plugin.)
Thanks for the video
Sure Inspirational is great- BUT how does this Really play out?
Do you have three separate buses with different types of compressors on them?
and you send individual tracks to either A, B or C bus?
And then those ABC buses are routed directly to master boss?
Aloso
Is this an afterthought, after you individually compressed each channel as necessary?
Or is there no compression on any of the individual channels only what is sent parallel to the A B or C buses.. ?
Thanks a little text and a description about setting this up would be great
WOW that's way too many questions, but I'll try my best to help you. I'll answer your questions in the order that you used to ask them.
1. You need to understand that it's ABCD not just ABC.
A - Instruments that are in the upper midrange of a song (vocals, guitar, synth, etc.)
B - Instruments that anchor the song such as drums, bass, maybe cello, congas.
C - Instruments that create transient midrange power and will have a lot of rides, such as guitars.
D - Instruments that need the warmth of tube and are not played staccato.
2. It's 4 separate buses, not 3. Buss A has a Neve 33609 into Pultec EQ 1a3s. Buss B has a Distressor. Buss C has the Pendulum ES-8. Finally, Buss D has the TFPro plus a stereo widener.
3. Yes (as shown above).
4. Yes.
5. You have to compress individual sounds, the bus compression isn't doing a lot of compression it's often around 1-2dB of gain reduction. This is why he uses tube compressors because they add character and attitude. It's more of a feel.
Good luck.
@@audiospectra WOW "Now that's a horse of a different color" You Nailed It! That was totally informative. Now this video Holds weight.
That may have been a lot questions for you but without your fantastic explanations this video was so vague🧐
Almost all of your entire answer is either not mentioned or explained in this video.
So on behalf of myself and anyone who reads this..
thank you! thank you!
thank you!
Now we can go and actually apply this in some version. And we could have ABCD ..EFG? 😆
thank you 🤘🏽🙏🏽🧨
@Too Tory haha 😂 you're so welcome 😎
BR
Vamos ver o que está acontecendo com o Stereo Bus. Então eu tenho o SSL funcionando e eu tenho o Germanium (Chandler Limited Germanium Compressor) e eu tenho o Curve Bender (Chandler Limited Curve Bender EQ), mas é realmente apenas para diminuir o Level ("Volume/Amplitude/Gain").
Embora quando você coloca um Curve Bender, ele tende a se abrir um pouco no som e está passando por todos os circuitos e soa muito bem (é muito bom).
Então, mesmo que não haja EQ, ele abre um pouco o som. Então, inerentemente ao ativar o Curve Bender, está fazendo algo com o som/audio. Você sabe, a última coisa que quero fazer nessa faixa (neste track), nesse disco (gravação/record), é fazer com que soe excessivamente compactado/comprimido (overly compressed).
Essa era uma reclamação que eles tinham, que eles queriam evitar. Então eu me certifiquei disso, e vamos ver. Nós vamos para o refrão (chorus), onde geralmente é mais alto (louder). Vamos ver o quanto está acontecendo.
01:06
É.. você sabe, é quase 3 (-3 dB). Quero dizer, este é um padrão de sua configuração ("desejado" no SSL Compressor) e você sabe, está em 30:1, 4:1 Ratio, 1 ms Release, isso é muito rápido e eu não tenho coisa alguma a mais, está apenas parado/repousando (por volta de -3 dB) e está apenas tocando.
Está apenas ajustando/dominando (o sinal) bem pouquinho, você sabe.. e então os Germaniuns são a mesma coisa porque a mistura (blend) que eu tenho, é uma mistura wet/dry (seca e úmida), inclinando-se mais para o dry (seco), por volta das 2 horas (10° no relógio). Então, o que você está vendo não é realmente Compressão (compression), mas apenas como a entrada de áudio (input) está sendo processado e é novamente, é leve (light), mas você adiciona tudo isso em pequenas coisas (ajustes) que estou fazendo e ainda tem muitos níveis (levels). Ainda pungente (punchy). O nível/volume percebido (perceived level) é mais alto do que parece ser apenas porque é isso que o Multibus Compression pode fazer, apenas pequeno (ajustes). É novamente, nesta faixa em particular, estou apenas fazendo um pouco, em muitos lugares e isso se soma e parece/soa natural.
02:20
Tudo bem. Então, vamos ver como isso funciona... No meu seminário, o que eu faço é mostrar que vou colocar as faixas (tracks individuais) e vou enviar para o Stereo Bus sem nenhum dos meus ABCD (racks de equipamentos de áudio) e então, eu vou fazer isso de novo com meu processamento nele (no mix, na mixagem). Agora, vai ser um pouco diferente porque em alguns deles eu estou dobrando (doubling it / em paralelo / simultâneo), por exemplo, o solo de guitarra, mas por enquanto, vamos apenas ver o que acontece. Eu só vou fazer, a parte B da seção/parte do verso entrando no refrão (chorus)... e vamos ver como isso soa do jeito que está agora. E então quando/se eu simplesmente colocar tudo no estéreo.
03:57
Ok, agora vamos tirar tudo isso e passar para A (Rack A) vamos ver o que acontece.
Oh, não, ignore tudo isso. Agora, eu tenho uma ideia, tirando B (Rack B desligado), tirando C (Rack C desligado), tirando D (Rack D desligado) e assim nós vamos enviar as coisas para aqui.
04:39
Então, mesma seção/parte agora, apenas indo para o estéreo. Tudo parece estar apenas indo para o estéreo. Veja o que acontece (quando adiciona o processamento multibus com os racks).
05:33
Algumas das misturas (blends) não estão certas porque se eu estiver indo para os buses A e D. É obviamente mais alto/ganho. Então o balanço está um pouco fora nos vocais, mas você consegue ouvir a diferença entre a abertura e a emoção/melhora de quando estou usando o ABC. Ao contrário de quando não uso. Então é para mim, é bastante óbvio, porque eu uso ABCD (Multibus Processing / pequenos ajustes usando vários buses/canais de retorno/processamento/efeitos).
* Continue corrigindo e traduzindo para outros idiomas
* Não domino o vocabulário de áudio usado no Brasil, apesar de ser brasileiro.
* Ele vendeu os racks ABCD (Vídeo: The Michael Brauer Collection Complete Gear Rundown! - Alto Music)
e ficou com poucos equipamentos favoritos para trabalhar o máximo possível ITB (in the box/computador), ele fez uma recriação dos ABCD ITB também.
Os equipamentos que ele tinha eram praticamente todos modificados de alguma forma.
3:13 part of the line with ".. (baptised in a muddy) river not a wish in the well". So, if there's a whole song with alternate lyrics?
Thank you sir
i wonder if the curve bender vst has the same effect: just having the vst on the bus? i think the vst sound a bit harsh.
UAD ONE??
@@PawanKumar-hm5te softube
@@nickhyder9141 Same thing
@@nickhyder9141 the UAD one sounds pretty good imo ! don’t know abt the colour it adds when its engaged
No, it doesn't have the same effect. The 4 compressors that he used on his ABCD buses are all doing about 1-2dB of gain reduction. He uses the buss compressors to add character and attitude. Hence he's only using tube compressors.
Por favor, habilitem as legendas. Sou do Brazil, um país pobre em informações de qualidade. Obrigado
Vamos ver o que está acontecendo com o Stereo Bus. Então eu tenho o SSL funcionando e eu tenho o Germanium (Chandler Limited Germanium Compressor) e eu tenho o Curve Bender (Chandler Limited Curve Bender EQ), mas é realmente apenas para diminuir o Level ("Volume/Amplitude/Gain").
Embora quando você coloca um Curve Bender, ele tende a se abrir um pouco no som e está passando por todos os circuitos e soa muito bem (é muito bom).
Então, mesmo que não haja EQ, ele abre um pouco o som. Então, inerentemente ao ativar o Curve Bender, está fazendo algo com o som/audio. Você sabe, a última coisa que quero fazer nessa faixa (neste track), nesse disco (gravação/record), é fazer com que soe excessivamente compactado/comprimido (overly compressed).
Essa era uma reclamação que eles tinham, que eles queriam evitar. Então eu me certifiquei disso, e vamos ver. Nós vamos para o refrão (chorus), onde geralmente é mais alto (louder). Vamos ver o quanto está acontecendo.
01:06
É.. você sabe, é quase 3 (-3 dB). Quero dizer, este é um padrão de sua configuração ("desejado" no SSL Compressor) e você sabe, está em 30:1, 4:1 Ratio, 1 ms Release, isso é muito rápido e eu não tenho coisa alguma a mais, está apenas parado/repousando (por volta de -3 dB) e está apenas tocando.
Está apenas ajustando/dominando (o sinal) bem pouquinho, você sabe.. e então os Germaniuns são a mesma coisa porque a mistura (blend) que eu tenho, é uma mistura wet/dry (seca e úmida), inclinando-se mais para o dry (seco), por volta das 2:00 horas (10° no relógio). Então, o que você está vendo não é realmente Compressão (compression), mas apenas como a entrada de áudio (input) está sendo processado e é novamente, é leve (light), mas você adiciona tudo isso em pequenas coisas (ajustes) que estou fazendo e ainda tem muitos níveis (levels). Ainda pungente (punchy). O nível/volume percebido (perceived level) é mais alto do que parece ser apenas porque é isso que o Multibus Compression pode fazer, apenas pequeno (ajustes). É novamente, nesta faixa em particular, estou apenas fazendo um pouco, em muitos lugares e isso se soma e parece/soa natural.
02:20
Tudo bem. Então, vamos ver como isso funciona... No meu seminário, o que eu faço é mostrar que vou colocar as faixas (tracks individuais) e vou enviar para o Stereo Bus sem nenhum dos meus ABCD (racks de equipamentos de áudio) e então, eu vou fazer isso de novo com meu processamento nele (no mix, na mixagem). Agora, vai ser um pouco diferente porque em alguns deles eu estou dobrando (doubling it / em paralelo / simultâneo), por exemplo, o solo de guitarra, mas por enquanto, vamos apenas ver o que acontece. Eu só vou fazer, a parte B da seção/parte do verso entrando no refrão (chorus)... e vamos ver como isso soa do jeito que está agora. E então quando/se eu simplesmente colocar tudo no estéreo.
03:57
Ok, agora vamos tirar tudo isso e passar para A (Rack A) vamos ver o que acontece.
Oh, não, ignore tudo isso. Agora, eu tenho uma ideia, tirando B (Rack B desligado), tirando C (Rack C desligado), tirando D (Rack D desligado) e assim nós vamos enviar as coisas para aqui.
04:39
Então, mesma seção/parte agora, apenas indo para o estéreo. Tudo parece estar apenas indo para o estéreo. Veja o que acontece (quando adiciona o processamento multibus com os racks).
05:33
Algumas das misturas (blends) não estão certas porque se eu estiver indo para os buses A e D. É obviamente mais alto/ganho. Então o balanço está um pouco fora nos vocais, mas você consegue ouvir a diferença entre a abertura e a emoção/melhora de quando estou usando o ABC. Ao contrário de quando não uso. Então é para mim, é bastante óbvio, porque eu uso ABCD (Multibus Processing / pequenos ajustes usando vários buses/canais de retorno/processamento/efeitos).
* Não faço a mínima ideia do vocabulário de áudio no Brasil porque aprendo tudo em outros idiomas e no geral por aqui nem sempre vejo um padrão de vocabulário.
Estou aprendendo aos poucos como se fala aqui no Brasil mesmo sendo brasileiro.
Ele vendeu os racks ABCD (Vídeo: The Michael Brauer Collection Complete Gear Rundown! - Alto Music)
e ficou com poucos equipamentos favoritos para trabalhar o máximo possível ITB (in the box/computador), ele fez uma recriação dos ABCD ITB também.
Os equipamentos que ele tinha eram praticamente todos modificados de alguma forma.
@@clubbedtobreathe Valeu! Muito obrigado! Informações valiosas!
Sounds like a so so recording (in a few ways). RIP dynamics. No wonder they think all their stuff sounds overcompressed with nothing to cut through the mix. No builds, no drops, no swells or variation, just things starting and stopping. Whew kids.
And dear god, does the singer really want to make that voice his whole career? It sounds like Dave Mustane attempting that bad early 00's yarl-rock sound. Imagine having to do that voice every night for the next 47 years lol. My throat hurts just thinking about it.
In any case; Good clean up of some challenging material without taking away what's unique. The band should be more than impressed with your work.
p.s.
I just realized thats Fscking Bon Jovi. My comments stand.
"lol" said the record exec "lmao"
Lol what a totally wild comment.
You seem frustrated
Yeah I'm sure Jon's taking notes
Show us your work mixing Jesus! 😘 we want to go with you! You so so
Yep, agree 100%
Saw a video where he sold all his outboard gear on Alto Music and got an Avid S6 and went totally in the box. A few days I received a text from my Alto Music rep asking if I know anyone interested jn buying Michael Brauer’s S6. Wonder what’s going on 🤷🏻♂️
I see that video, This was probably recorded before that and there just advertising for the mix academy?
@@sicknoterecordings Agree. Just wondering what Michael Brauer is doing if he offloaded all his analog gear, bought an S6, now selling his S6, maybe he’s consolidating to a smaller controller setup while still in the box. Alto Music is asking $90k for his S6.
Jesus, I think that rig rundown was basically an advert to bump the price up, as he was saying on each piece of gear how bespoke it was and he had it modified. I watched another video and I belive yes, he has gone to a smaller rig ( diring lockdown) with a few of things he can't do without and has been using a midi controller. I'm not sure he is entirely in the box, but like most of the big producers they say they have done and can do if they want to.
Thanks a Lot!🚀
After looking around that studio i now wonder, if you can really get radio quality mix with plugins only?
Absolutely; it's not about the equipment, it's the knowledge and techniques. Brauer himself moved to an entirely in the box setup a few years ago, sold off most of his outboard gear.
100% possible and done everyday
Thank you👍
I read he sold his outboard gear and mixes in the box now, for easier recall-ability
Brauer still has to listen to a Bon Jovi track umpteen times...
Yes, it is sickening. i wonder if that dog of a song brought in enough money to pay for the mixing.
The closest I've ever gotten to a Chandler Germanium was using the Softube plugin version ... lol!!!
The Zener Limiter is insane on vocals, for what it’s worth
3:14 Normal 4:49 Multi bus
Dope! But one huge thing i dont miss about hardware is looking waaayyy over like he is for what the settings are. Slide waaaay over to change a setting then slide back to mixer 😂... reach way down on mixer to change a volume.
I dot a console and you give us digital experience please
at 4:49 it loses a bit of punch.
Im from indonesia... i like you
So much drum impact disappears when switching to the stereo only.
This sounds like the sane band that was on one of chris lord alges video
Neither sound terrible when adjusted for gain. The drums get a bit lost in the chorus of the stereo mix.
Where is Eman08 I really need some pro input on this video
key thing. its an actual console with actual outboard gear.
Well said my friend....
Tell that to Andrew Schepps
You can get the same results using your DAW and plugins. Even Michael Brauer is no longer using outboard gear, he's now 99.9% in the box. There's even a video where he sold all his outboard gear on Alto Music.
@@audiospectra So correct we have to realize that's the way it's going, especially now plugin emulations have gotten so freaking good.
Braver has himself said otherwise. "When I took the console out, I was kinda surprised how much more I got". "It was clogging the sound of my outboard"
OCD ppl like me can’t tolerate that chair! I mean: there’s equipment for tens (if not hundred) thousand $ worth. Can’t you buy a chair that does not creak when you move?
Looks like a Herman Miller too
The squeaky chair noise is part of the gear/sound, you can't get a dope mix without it, it's very necessary in all studios.
this is good but the drums are so muddy when it gets louder (specifically snare and cymbal/overhead mix)
benoit poolvorde
He seems pissed off
Did he throw on a 5000 eq not using the eq, just to open up the sound… 🤣🤣🤣if you got it.. right?
The output transformers in some of that outboard gear can turn things to silk without setting any adjustments. I’ve got a Urei 537 graphic EQ I have no intention of using for its graphic EQ or it’s noisy sliders - to me it sounds a heck of a lot like the ‘magic’ going on in the original Pultecs. It’s the biggest transformer in my arsenal. Same with guitar amps, a lot of the distortion comes from pushing the transformers, not from saturating the tubes.
@@fattommy4436 i get the reason why 😂 but its a curve bender
@@zxcvbnmmification Lol yeah but it's there - I mean if I had a wall full of gear like that I'd patch first and think about using it later 😁
Yeah, like LA-3As on electric guitars, you don't even have to use the compression or limiting, just run it through it and it's magic.
It brings everything upfront and in your face!
@@rockboy360 someone needs to make a video series about gear use secrets.. just like this.. about all the great other uses
Why’re audio focused videos mixed so badly.. Very jarring to listen to the track abruptly duck under his voice
the next album in 2024 bon jovi has choosen chris-lord alge. just search for that
Obviously sounds absolutely flawless and Michael is a bloody genius, but my god that song is so so fucking bad isn’t it 😂😂😂
I bet the actual release has absolutely no dynamics as everything gets squashed to death with high gain limiting anyways.
You call that music? I call that distortion.
These videos are useless for anyone not working with outboard gear or a console. Seriously, what was the point of this video?
The video is a teaser for you to go to the MWTM website to watch the entire thing. You don't need outboard gear to do multi-bus processing like Brauer. In case you didn't know, he sold all his gear and he's now doing all of this in the box. All the best 😎