As Indian Army goes in for more SIG Sauer rifles from US, SSS Defence CEO spells out his plans
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- The CEO of Indian small arms manufacturer SSS Defence talks to Deputy Editor Snehesh Alex Philip on the small arms procurement by Indian Army and what his aim is in ThePrint’s #DefenceScope.
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Never imagined that an Indian private enterprise would ever manufacture guns. I hope they do not get discouraged by the decisions and actions by the defense ministry 'babus' and pursue their good work
Without orders, it is hard to pursue work.
They will get discouraged.. I think the system is greased by lobbyists
@@sumandutta4834 Equip your Police with them.
And generals don't forget generals they have the biggest role to play. It might be bitter but it is the truth.
Defence purchases are often dictated by geo politics.
Govts have to look at the big picture.
A patriot is doing enough for the country, and the country doesn't show the least minimum courtesy to him .
Its a globalised world and you are competing with every country arms industry. You cant expect them to buy your stuff because yours is local made. Do we have to use jio phone because its indigenous? Make something that could shake the industry then others will automatically buy yours without you lobbying
@@spaceman69 This comment of yours really shows the Nativity & ignorance of a desi mind. Is the jio phone that you've mentioned going to win our army the next full blown war with a behemoth like China????? How will you fight your own war if you are not even indipendent with your guns & bullets. What if USA stop the supply of guns and bullet mid war & ask us to surrender to our adversary????? Is that an acceptable term for you? No one in the history of mankind made a perfect weapon at the very first try it takes dedication and sacrifice. China doesn't even produce the best missiles or the drones in the world so should they stop making them and instead buy from the USA???
A basic 'good to have' thing like a mobile phone (Jio phone) is much different than a 'must have' thing like an Assault rifle.
@@spaceman69yes agreed but another fact is if we face a situation like Ukraine, foreign markets are not going to be reliable. So it is needed for the army for create an ecosystem and that is a fact
@@spaceman69 Wrong, at least for the most part.
Every nation that leads in some form of military industry initially goes into bouts of protectionism so that its indigenous industries grow securely enough to be competitive.
US, UK, France and even South Korea did it. Hell Korea did ot with their armored vehicles, submarines and even their semiconductor industries. You need local markets to grow your indigenous products. Asking a startup to "shake the industry" while competing with super-rich established companies is naive and unrealistic.
Military and military industry grow in concert and YES, it SHOULD be the military's DUTY to encourage, patronize and grow local industries. Several American white papers have made this argument from their world war era bomber sights to the Bradley Fighting Vehicle all suffered tough resistance from naysayers and deindustrializers. America protected its companies and now they lead these sectors.
So no, globalism is not whatmakes you safe. Globalism is good for convenience, it's not good for independence.
And yes Indian army has to accept Indian weapons regardless of their "shortcomings" real or imagined and over a long period of time work with said companies to improve them. Like Vivek Krishnan said, 'one of the problems with defence procurement in india is wanting things NOW' what he didn't say as he is more diplomatic is "Indian military rarely shows any forethought for long term thinking".
Yeah but you should have to chance to show off your product@@spaceman69
The angst in the eyes of the CEO of SSS Defence is painful to see +++ extremely Sad !!! What he is saying most industrialists have been saying since ages !!! It is responsibility of the Armed Forces to ensure they create the Eco System that supports Objectives/ Tasks/ Ambitions !!! 😡😡😡
Beurocratic hurdles.
I think the concern on maintaining supply chains. i.e. rather than maintaining parts for 10 different gun, just maintain parts for one set of spares/parts...
I can’t help but imagine that there might be some senior person somewhere in bureaucracy or military administration who probably got a commission to procure US weapons….
We really don't know the reasons why the army has fast tracked the procurement. What is the purpose and so on. Its not like there was a tested and tried product already available in the home market that was bypassed. Battle rifles are not something that you give specifications for production and deployed in short notice. Maybe there is a requirement for long distance engagement battles in the mountainous border regions. These rifles being of larger calibre with heavy recoil would be conservatively shot saving ammo in a protracted conflict.
The babus and generals and army officers are corrupt and all want the commission's and bribes in tens of crores from foreign companies.
Defence lobby has always been active specially for army procurement...before it was Russian now it's US...
SIG is a German company
Thanks Snehesh for this interview with the CEO of SSS Defense - a manufacturer of products 100% designed and manufactured in India. It is sad to notice that Army is skirting the Atma Nirbhar policy and finding alibis to buy phoren maal!!! Raksha Mantri should take more interest in these issues and force the policy on Army whenever there are emergency purchases or otherwise. Alternatively, sad to say this- our Indian companies should learn to ''deal'' with Army!!
Last time, US didn't supply Jet Engine in time and force India to lose many things. In next few years, we will read US don't supply rifles and bullets in time and Indian Armed Forces have depends on ......
That is the actions of an enemy, not a friend.
You can copy produce their small arms during war. But it's very hard to copy State of the army military equipment.
@@sitarampradhan8488 the current issues is about small fire arms.
@@Nom_AnorVSJediI afread US is not our friend..
@@abhijnankhamrui7514 US is neither friend or foe
This has been the same problem with Kalyani Group. Indian armed forces, they themselves does not want to give orders to Indian companies which makes me so angry. Our own companies are making world class weapons for the world and yet they themselves does not get order from their own country. Same story repeating for Stryker and Javelin also.
Very well explained. Thanks.
I am a retired infantry officer, with tenures in the Infantry school, Mhow. They coordinate testing of new rifles etc.
The CEO is right. Bang on.
If the Indian soldier is dying in larger numbers than necessary, half blame goes to enemy and half to Ministry of Defense and Army.
It is either corruption, or inefficiency, or both.
validate your statement with facts or shut the fk up disgruntuled fellow.
Take both.
Just blame our side why blame others?
I hope this becomes national level Scandal that it is .
Genrals involved in the procurement process must be queationed by the courts.
This was under emergency procurement. Govt give power to decision makers to purchase whatever they think is necessary. Now if you put any pressure on them with allegations, which you will not be able to prove in any court, then decision makers will be very reluctant to make any decision in purchases. This will be counter productive.
@@shubham5144 Atleast somebody in the govt should ask why they didn’t source the rifles locally and make the decision makers give reasons.
Really rooting for SSS defence team! Not easy to stand up against constant rejection and denials.
Thank you for inviting sss defence and i wish government and army will listen this
Earlier they used to say government institutions are to be blamed , they priduce bad product, now even the most hardcore army supporters will acknowledge that the problem wasnt government institutions, there is a rot in army itself.
Its sad that MONAHAR PARRIKAR died when he did, current defence minister after him was a total blob
Army is corrupt.
Hi snehesh, I can feel the pain and anguish of this gentleman. When Indian army isn’t using their weapons how can he attract foreign users? It’s a catch 22 situation. Only lip service by current government should change and buy more of home made guns
Thaaaaaankkk Yooooooou Snehesh and The Print!
So many defense fans in India will be happy that Vivek Sir is getting the limelight!
Thanks to The Print , for what? Like for doing their job?
@@manh9105 Yes
Chandigarh lobby is very powerful unfortunately.
When the tendering process is itself corrupt what can small companies do ? They dont have unlimited capital to wait for next tender or depend on luck.
Thank you Snehesh for picking up this topic
Poor Pakistanis in Peshawar producing better rifles than Indian ordinance factories.
Indian Army and the Indian Airforce are far behind compared to the Navy. Navy has been supporting local industries since 3 decades. Army and Airforce still don't have their internal R&D or design centers unlike the Navy. Army is still stuck in British times and care more about maintaining their Polo grounds and Golf courses than invest in technology centers or private sector.
Agreed. The navy regularly coordinates with Mazagaon Docks and Garden Reach Ltd when it comes to manufacturing vessels unlike airforce or army.
@@adityabhattacharyya8727 The army couldn't even give a well defined list for Arjun tank development and now that the tank is ready, they don't want it. In fact, they gave further orders for the Russian T 90 coz Arjun is too heavy to cross the Indo-Pak border.
It’s a shame to see competent people like the CEO feeling frustrated with the indian military. 3 different squad weapons lol. They can’t even share bullets in the event of a firefight lol. What a logistics nightmare. Every time there is an emergency the military reacts by buying stopgap weapons with no strategic planning.
You don't know how a Military squad operates. It is Universal, everywhere. There are 3 different Squad weapons. One DMR (Designated Marksman Rifle). One LMG (Light Machine Gun). And the other Infantrymen Carry the Assigned Squad Weapon (A Carbine or a rifle).
@@raghvendrapratapsingh2585 well except the Indian Army doesnt work that way. We have Sig 716 that aint equipped with proper scopes so they are being inducted as infantry rifle. We have AK - 47s & AKMs for the same role. We have INSAS for the same role. We are buying AK-203s for the same role. We are also looking for 5.56 carbines which will end up also in the same role. IMAGINE 5 DIFFERENT RIFLES in the same unit for the same role. Hilarious.
@@vpn2830 Most of these use same caliber. AK 47 uses. 7.62 , AKM uses 7.62, AK 203 uses 7.62, Sig 716 uses 7.62 . Insas is absolute Shit. We have SVDs for DMR role which uses 7.62 ,. We have have a lot of LMGs in FN MAG , and PKM , guess what uses 7.62. The only deviance from this is Insas which uses 5.56 in both Rifle and LMG. 5.56 caliber is not enough anymore for future combat. It can only be used for Counter Terrorism. Insas is an absolute Garbage which we need to replace as soon as possible. Also the DMR for US army currently is M110A1(H&K) It uses 7.62, while the current infantry rifle Colt M4 uses 5.56. So it's not outlandish to have different caliber weapons in a squad. Learn about all this. Don't spout nonsense.
@@raghvendrapratapsingh2585Ak platform rifles use 7.62x39 which is useless beyond 300m , so good luck fighting the Chinese in the mountains with that
the PKM and SVD are using 7.62x54R , that's a rimmed round that causes a lot of feeding issues,which is why rimmed rounds have been mostly phased out
SIG 716 uses 7.62x51 and that's the ideal gun to fight in the mountains
@@vpn2830 The only hilarious thing is how dumb you are. The Current squad weapon for US Army is Colt M4 , it uses 5.56 Caliber. DMR for US Army is H&K M110A1 , it uses 7.62 caliber. The LMG is FN M249 it uses 5.56. 3 Different weapons , made by 3 different Companies having 2 different Ammo. So according to you they don't know about War. Or how a Squad works. All the weapons you mentioned above use the Same Caliber. Sig 716 uses 7.62, AK47 uses 7.62, AKM uses 7.62, AK 203 uses 7.62. We have SVDs for DMR roles , it uses 7.62. We have PSG1 , Galatz and Homemade Ishapore Sniper Rifles, all three uses 7.62. We have LMGs in FN MAG and PKM both of Which use 7.62. The only significant deviation in our weapon system is Insas which uses 5.56 for both Rifle and LMG. 5.56 caliber is not good enough for future warfare and can only be effective in Counter terrorism , Anti-piracy or Police use, that is why US is also replacing it. Also Insas is absolute garbage and has to be replaced as soon as possible. Learn about all this. Don't be a moronic laughingstock.
Kudos to SSS Defence. Resonate with him on the issue. His hard work and dedication will pay. Govt and the defense apparatus should look inwards and promote.
This is the reason other private companiare not interested in defence sector.
But the point of contention is that SSS defence 7.62*51mm rifle prototype is not available..so how the forces would check it for evaluation..
Army has a mindset to buy outside nations despite national interest
considering they suffered a lot with INSAS, I understand their pov for choosing an established entity with a good track record over a new player in the game but Indian entities also need to be given a chance.
it's chamadi & damadi
@@amartyaroy3754army wanted the insas to be long smg and a rifle with the functionality of changing barrels and using 5.56 and 7.62 rounds . The army wanted a death star . That is the problem
The Amry itself is so confused with which calibre to be made as a standard for procurement. Sig 716 is actually a DMR don't know why they're going with it !!!
Their understanding might be that most gunfights and skirmishes occur in further distance and not close. Specially in difficult terrains enemies ambushes from further and escapes. Also, typically in a squad there will be different weapons used according to their role imo
I’m happy that this man atleast come out
THAT ORDER SHOULD BE GIVEN TO SSSDEFENCE BUT , WHO KNOW WHAT BARGAINS IS GOING ON AT HIGH TABLE
You mean under the table. BJP is always pro US.
No wonder our country remained a slave nation still has same mindset
If you look at the videos of soldiers firing the SIG you will see that they are unable to handle the recoil.... The caliber of the ammo and the size of the rifle... Not the carbine... The full size battle rifle.... I am worried. Full auto is ofcourse unavailable.... But even in semi auto... Kicks like a horse....Could work as a squad Marksman rifle if they attach a reliable scope.... Let's see.
Ya. The sig version bought by Indian army is full calibre. Kind of like old SLR or FN FAL. Too much power but very heavy and reduced mobility
@@mverick5444 it is for valley, and the party will have soldiers with assult rifile
Most probably the machine gun round was used in that video.
I have read somewhere that even within 7.62 51 there are different gun powder used for rifles round and machine gun round. Initially it was reported that army was using machine gun rounds.
@@shubham5144yes you're right, army was using full power LMG 7.62 rounds, hence heavy recoil.
When you spend ~70% of the budget on salary and pension.
Exactly and you can't even produced a basic automatic rifle to be used by army.
Why does India buy American and Russian weapons with different calibers? It’s ridiculous. Seems like politics is involved instead of military needs.
Armed forces deserve the best! No indian company can manufacture such high quality weapons. INSAS platform is a good example to learn from. Sig sauer is proven and high quality. If you believe in your product compete in open market. No body will buy it. It should not be an emotional decesion. It can make a difference between winning and loosing.
Sorry disagree. It has to start somewhere and the army’s coordination is needed. Nahi ho Sakta bolke baithe rehne se kam nahi chalega.
There s no open market in defence. The first test is "Did your country buy it?" If not why should we?
Do you even know what is SSC defence. They producing rifles which you can't imagine . It's not like other government companies.
SSS defence should start marketing and selling their rifles to us civilian Market and also use that feedback coz it would be more constructive than Indian army gsqr testing. Maybe they can make a name for themselves too if youtubers who have fun content review their product
The govt should also give a demand of another 75000 Assult rifle to SSS defence.
The acquisitions of Indian army doesn’t make any sense when a high quality desi product is available. I feel the word Atmanirbhar is
useless to use😢
Its a joke ... athmanirbar is the biggest joke
That’s the problem guy, there is nothing “high quality “ & desi at the same time once you take your nationalist goggles off.
@@foxtrotwhiskey874time changes
No gun will be perfect on the first iteration no matter who makes it. Not just guns any machine design evolve and mature over the time with constant feedbacks and tweaking. If army is expecting starwars grade weapon it will never get it
1.education got mafia
2.health care got mafia
3.transport got mafia
4.army got mafia
5.supreme court got mafia
6.high court got own mafia
What else to see now 😂😂
This is not fresh order, but part of previous order which was on hold for some time
We keep shouting Atmanirbhar Bharat and we are always more than keen to go for the Foreign Military Sales route …!!!
Because You can't give Cheap crap to Soldiers on Border. Make in India is Fine, But It has to be Reliable and Good enough to be handed over to Soldiers in extreme conditions.
Bhai, do you have and use jio phone yourself? Support local😂
@@raghvendrapratapsingh2585 Does that look like cheap crap to you bro? Look again....
@@Game_Reaper I have looked. Maybe you should too. You don't have any idea about guns and arms manufacturers.
@@raghvendrapratapsingh2585and you have? Have you ever visited that guy's facility and asked him to allow you a turn at firing it in the shooting range before giving judgement? You must have never worked in the arms industry or fought in a war!
For Modi , relationship with Uncle SAM is more important than orders for SSS. I suspect it is an 800 crore bribe for the Panun incident .
Focus on how much Indian companies promise, and how much they deliver!
@@anilnavani3619 Their record has been good if you ask me.
@@dobariyanaitikdineshbhai6832 insas rifle ?
@@anilnavani3619it's been good nowadays.
SSS and other private players have good track record so far.
Atleast they could have easily delivered a reliable rifle like sig 7.62 51 on time.
Those who are wondering who that country is most probably its Armenia
Defense Procurement in India has so many stakeholders that someone or the other are still able to pull the strings behind the curtains
mostly corrupt panjus whose sole objective is to make enough money to get assets in Canada, UK, USA or Australia
While indian arms industry seeks a global footprint for their wpns so the same rule of choice of the wpns should apply with the user ie a soldier who is going to fight the en with it ..his confidence on the wpn n his needs should come first....but I would reiterate that this procurement is part of an order already on the table in 2019 when there were no Indian companies available to fulfill.the requirements..the reasons for the dalay in the follow on order or timing if the order could be financial constraints , wpn diplomacy or even political compulsions of a govt not in majority.
Good job PRINT. Nice interview
Generals like dollors
idiot babus procure
& rubles & shekels
Rubles+$+shekels+francs chandigarh lobby favourite currency
Colonial hangover 😮
I don’t trust any person named Vivek! This guy looks like he wants to sell INSAS mk2 !
I could trust him to make a Airgun
Mr sss you are right but THIS TIME IT WAS EMERGENCY ON BORDER AREA ..WE NEED ATLEAST 3 MILLION HIGH TECH RIFLE..YOU WILL B GIVEN FULL CONSIDERATION BUT AT PRESENT WE CAN'T ASK BRING ELON MUSK BUT BRING HIS DUPLICATE IN LENGTH, WEIGHT, COLOUR, SMILE,DANCELIKE IN LOW COST
This incident shows the power of the import lobby, in spite of having many indigenous options they always opt for import from foreign companies.
Geo politics have a role in defence purchases. It is not just about one procurement…..Govts have to look at
the big picture.
In the process, local manufacturers are getting cold shouldered, sometimes.
Sad state of affairs !
At this point the only thing I think sss can improve is heir name and branding I think army doesn't consider it cool enough like SIG, Ak
Is "make in India" a joke?
Screwdriver 🪛 assembly make in india
The spares and accessories inventory management necessitates uniformity of weapon holding at least in one echelon. So don't agree with what the SSS guy is saying
Keep working hard SSS defence. If you create product which are in line with international standard, things will turn around.
I request the anchor should have found the intermediate dealers and middlemen.. things can become more clear
First we say make in India. And we buy made in foreign. I am not against buying the best equipment for our military but as CEO said conduct the field competition first and pick the best. We shouldn't buy things on just reputation. In that case F16's have great reputation and proven field capabilities then Britain and France should have bought it instead of developing Euro Typhoon or Rafale jets.
Indian Armed Forces: We need a vehicle with ambassador engine (four for each wheel), shape that of a maruthi 800, armed with SIG sauer riffles (10 directions, one to the ground), and with "drive by wire" capabilities.
Defense contractor: Sir, we have special facilities where you could do brain simulations (National Institute Of Mental Health & Neuro Sciences (NIMHANS)) in Bangalore.
Banana republic.
Sad day for Aatmanirbhar Bharat 🤡
We must encourage our Indian Defense companies like PSUs & Private companies like SSS Defense & Kalyani etc.
Modi bhi Commission wala nikla 👀
How do we know he is alone responsible for this situation? At the same time our politicians, bureaucrats arent military minded like the US, constantly seeking war with the other countries so less focus on defence, arms. The only time we ever did that was when we trained LTTE in Sri Lanka and fought it ourselves only to get beaten up ourselves
Thank you Print for bringing to us this interview.🙏
If India can crack a deal to produce Heckler & Koch production here along with AK 203 and Tavor 21, it would be pretty well equipped and independent....
This sig order is not a big concern.
Big concern is our military has no indigenous plan for 7.62×51 rifle, atleast its not in public domain.
We may use different caliber rifles but those rifles needs to be indian.
Whole weapon procurement specifically testing phase in india is very opaque. That's not a case with usa and other western Countries, they have a whole 1 hour documentaries on why they those certain weapon what happened during testing etc etc.
Sir,
Babus, dalals and corrupt officers will never let it happen 😪
Indian navy has a successful design team ..why indian army cant?
fantastic discussion❤..and frustration and anger for decision makers😢
this CEO is like general class gov job aspirant sab kiya mocks main 95 percentile aaye phir bhi gov job nahi laga
country's hard earned dollars being wasted on foreign purchases by govt but chuchus like you are only concerned in pulling leg of local entrepreneurs. when govt buys from america that money starts circulating in american economy, when they buy from india the money circulates in indian economy ultimately. focus should be only on what is necessary from outside - e.g. jet engines, high tech sensors, etc.
we can manufacture decent guns already, why the hell are we not building up the local ecosystem.
Agree -+++- Reservations is bad disadvantage to Talent and it helps the Americans only !!! 😡😡😡
Well said 👍
This comment is like a wrestler in 60kg category who couldnt win the match crying foul over a 50kg category wrestler for winning !!! If you are good enough, compete and win in the general quota dude
Abeeee chutiye, tujhe samajh bhi aaya ki video me baat kya hui???? CEO sirf fair chance maang rha hai. Usko army se koi support ya handholding nahi chahiye. Vo sirf bol rha hai ki sara guns ka trail fair ho. @@deepkuayanattu
Indigenous is the only way forward
Defence mafia now at work in local form
It's not only about the calibre, these weapons also need maintenance and spares. From EME point of view, the lesser the variety, the easier are the logistics as range of spares are less and depth is more. Having an assortment of weapons makes maintenance and supply a nightmare. That said, a long term planning process is definitely needed to encourage local manufacture. The weak area is generally the metallurgy.
i can see the pain just by looking his face... its sad we must encourage pvt sector in small arms. why only big guns .. SSS is doing good work IA must do test on it and give order.
He is right he is right in every possible point... damn
I want best & well tested weapons for our armed forces it's not about indian or non indian.
If he is claiming his weapons are best, test them prove them & convince army that's it.
Anyone who has been weapons enthusiasts for a long time would k lnow, that at this point our army generals are more concerned with looking cool and getting their Swiss accounts filled than the cpuntys interest. Their motto is keep delaying ordering o sigenous stuff for as long as possible so in the end phoren maal can make it's way in.
They destroyed ARJUNS , they have successfully nearly destroyed ATAGS and of course they will destroy small arms private players too.
Foren maal means rokda saheb.
I hope they learn something from their counterparts in the navy. Who have been at forefront of indigenisation and also saved other platforms like LCA TEJAS from meeting the same fate as ARJUNS
Bottom line --Our Armed Forces need best weapons & Men as we have two nuclear armed adversaries. N̈O COMPROMISE ON THIS.
Majority of the Arms & Ammunition being Made In India have their origin abroad and are produced locally thru some ToT etc.
In true sense 100% conceptualized, designed, developed and manufactured weapons are very rare.
Therefore competition is usually between foreign manufactured and India made Foreign weapons. So ultimately we get foreign designed & developed weapon irrespective it is made in India or abroad.
Therefore choice of weapon be best left to Armed Forces.
Why cannot indian companies look for tie up with sig sauer company so they make few of these in india or at least service these while in operation.
AK203 is also being done on ToT basis from Russia.
We have still long way to go , weapon manufacturing require centuries of research and highly specialised skill set
, even if we have brain and man power it would still be tough way
What a visionary. I hope this CEO and SSS will thrive into the future! Great interview.
We have our SSS Defense producing indigenous weapons 100% locally and Still Our Government is not supporting Localization...Please justify the public...
Sometimes government buying choices are dictated by Geo politics. If Russia says " you gotta buy this rifle from us and support us in our war, so that we will transfer s400 technology. "Then India will have to look at the bigger picture. Therefore we can't look at one procurement in isolation.
True
Correct, it also has to do with the Kashmir issue.
So the recent US diplomats visit to farmer protestors and Kashmir separatist parties is the reason india suddenly gave an order for rifles. Thats blackmail not balancing.
The Russians never offered S400 tech transfer. And never will.
This looks like a emergency arms procurement by the army and in that regard the army made the right decision by going for the sig 716i because its a proven platform with established production capacity to meet the army needs. Sss would've required more time and capital to scale up production .
Agar 716 proven platform hai or army ko proven platform hi chahiye to army general bhi Russian or american se manga lete hai woh battle proven ho jayega
Sss should sell to other countries first and compell indian army & police to buy sss products
How many aircraft can HAL deliver in a year? 8 to 14, depending on their mood! The IAF is down to 32 squadrons- our projected need is 42! So calculate the time needed to get to 42!! And this rifleman is bigger than HAL, and will live up to his boasts? Keep dreaming guys. They all talk.
Engine usa sa aaye nhi toh aircraft kaha se deliver hoga tu engine bana k dede
Sss defence supplied sss defence AK mod kit on time so yeah he will live to his promises
Why are you comparing government owned bullsht HAL with private company SSS they have great track record and if war happens army will face logistics issues from foreign companies
Sorry to see so many people and possibly ThePrint jumping to conclusion after listening to one side of the story. Many companies can claim credibility and ability to delivery. But it all come done to the details on schedule, quality, etc. Vivek seems to be venting frustration!
But its good that the gentleman has moved in exports and all indigenous design and manufacturing.
Great.
$ kick backs..
Feeling angered that we are being so stupid with not supporting our own MIC.
That's what happens when you give 10-15000 Rupees as monthly salary to Indian Engineers 😂
Pain is looking at his word
Basically he has point without comparison you cannot say we have best..if you are so confident do compilation win and select the best...never try never know 🙏
You don’t have the capacity to address this on war footing that it’s needed at- army has more deployment needs in both 16 corps area and at LAC. Ideally the AK203 should be scrapped and Indian private sector given a chance
Ak203 is junk like INSAS.
Just 72k for war.
Even with 72k, during war time there will be more wear tear of weapon for which you need spare parts. Since we are procuring sigs directly from US, you have to import those too.
Give any private players money they can make any quantity and quality you want.
Why the senior did not come when order for 700000 Assault rifles came from Russia? Groupings are everywhere.
this is just geopolitics
This SSS fellow.
Can you make a SIG.
No.
Are you capable.
NO.
So please educate yourself first.
Battlefield is not a testing ground.
Soldiers die when rifles have glitches in encounters. It's not a highway car. It's life and death.
You know kw when soldiers actually die? When they don't have a constant supplies of weapons and their parts during the wars, and their guns are nothing better than a paper weight. If there's ever a war with CHINA can you really guarantee that US will always be on our side, that they will keep providing steady stream of spare parts and bullets to our forces. Don't you think they will force our government to do their bidding if they manage to take over small arms scenarios like they do to NATO countries.
look at the war in ukrain, US is supporting them now but if Trump gets elected next, he will force ukrain to stop resisiting and call a ceasefire if they don't he will cut off supplies which will have the same effect.
Our generals don't mind that as long as they keep getting gifted with apartment in Florida and foreign scholarship for their undeserving children. But they should
Exactly..
The question is about transparency in selection and giving level playing field to all companies
Why should he make a Sig Sauer? He has made his own. That could have been tested against the Sig and the better one selected. He was not asking for it not to be tested. If a country which can send spacecraft to the moon cannot make a simple mechanical weapon which fires projectiles, then something is seriously wrong. Are we saying that what illiterate tribesmen in Peshawar can do, we are unable to match with our PhDs etc?
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India army should encourage own private industry but in mean time army should have the advanced rifle world have. So our company should produce advanced rifle which have light weight, barrelongitivity, accuracy, greater range,non jamming,non mechanical failure etc in comparison to other
It's not a fresh or additional order. The balance of the previous 1.4Lakh total order. But yes very disappointing to know that IA is not giving desi companies like SSS defence or PSU's enough chance to prove their worth.
Very positive of this gentleman CEO of sss defence.Great.
क्या दुर्भाग्य है कि देश अपनी सेना के लिए वर्ल्ड क्लास राइफल भी नही बना सका है और बातें बड़ी बड़ी कर देते है ।
Personally I'd love to see Improvised and simplified INSAS as having low weight (opportunity for optimization) and low recoil considering the built of our soldiers. It's battle proven. Let it evolve!!
Dreaming: INSAS free from hybridization of Galil, K2, FN FAL and AK....
Private industries to manufacture the simplified INSAS under license from Govt....why not
Since Adani Defence is a competitor, you have no chance in India
Aatmanirbhar vishwaguru , long live Adani, AMBANI.
Gandur moto kotha boltei hobe ?
Babu Modi!
Since when is sss defence and adani/ambani , you don't have the guts to say about tata or birla.
They all boast here, but when it comes to delivery, it all goes to seed. We’ve seen enough of that.
Private defence companies have a good delivery record so far. Never heard of negative news for them.
Manohar Parikar and CDS Rawat Sir left us too early, if they were alive maybe the picture could've been different
It’s not just about manning a soldier with a rifle, there are a lot of other factors involved. When you give a man a new rifle, you have to train him to fire it, maintain it, remove stoppages, carry it and then change his other gear according to the rifle, like carry sling, magazine pouch and other accessories. Now, it’s not just the rifle you procure, there are other attachments also, which have already been procured.
Other than these factors, it would just not keep up with the uniformity.
Considering all of that, it was justified of the army to go ahead with the planned procurement.