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For any Cast owners out there who aren't aware of it: Get the free cross-platform desktop app to control the Cast from your computer. You can do live switching, upload and configure on-screen graphics, and coolest of all: You can match cameras' color to each other and upload the correction to the Cast unit. Oh, and unlike the Atem software, you get a live preview on-screen.
Recently i bought the Ninja Cast (it was on sale). I use it exactly how you described. Multicam recording on the fly. I could set up 2 or 3 cameras (2 wide angles and 1 speaker's cam) in a small auditorium and operate it with only 1 manpower. Immediately after the event, i could deliver the finished video recording to my client. Another hack i did was that I have a USB-C to DC cable + powerbank. The entire set up is off the power grid which means it is very portable.
For the atem mini's, you need an external monitor to preview your camera angles for switching, so there is another expense you need to consider. And if you dont have the pro versions, you dont event get a multi-view and need a special monitor that can display and pass through 4 hdmi inputs. I like the ninja cast because it gives you a preview, a good quality recording of your program out in easy to edit codecs and you still can selectively display a basic preview to an external monitor and your program out to a house/producer feed and send the webcam signal to a pc with the encoder software and fancy graphics to do a nice live broadcast. They also just dropped the prices so can get a ninja 5 with the ninja cast for $650 or better.
I returned mine and got a yolobox for live-streaming. Only downside is the delay on non active videos. This device was amazing for directly connected to obs.
I bought it just because I have the the Ninja. I do live streaming using the black magic design web presenter as an encoder. Have to say, it is working great.
AtomX Cast is now $199 to $249 Adorama sells a package deal with Ninja V+ and AtomX Cast combo plus accessory package for $799. Free ProRes Raw, ProRes, h.264 and DNx. The ATEM Mini pro does not record in ProRes high Quality codecs. From BMPCC 4 and 6k, the frame rate has to be 25 fps and above. Atom X Cast will not detect HDMI output of 24fps or lower, however the Ninja V+ alone does detect all of the frame rates of the BMPCCs.
Cool video. But to be honest ATEM mini pro ISO is much much better. What I like the most with BM Atem mini pro ISO is option to record all files + u get project file so later in editing you can easily fix mistake or do quick re-edit. Let's see what's coming in the future... This is just first model.
can I plug a larger monitor into the HDMI out and have all four feeds on the same screen sort of like a large video village feed? Any help is appreciated subbed!!
QUESTION. Which would you recommend, Yolobox pro or this? I don’t own a ninja v. I’m looking for a super compact setup. Encoding is not an issue as I use a LiveU 200. Audio control and quality is also important to me. While they are diff products it would be interesting to see someone do a comparison
They are too different to compare. Do you want to switch with multiple cameras? Have titles and other effects? PiP? You said “super compact” but are talking about using a separate encoder. Yolo is all in one, and if you need only one camera, the Yolo Mini is super small.
YOU PRESENT INFO AND TECH REALLY WELL JOSEPH . I think this is great for ppl who already have a Ninja but it should be about 100dollars cheaper coz its bscally a few buttons and a multiviewer *plus a HDMI to usb The recording function is form the actual Ninja
Question... say i had 4 cameras on a band, does it record all 4 feeds simultaneously so i can go home and edit it all in final cut for example? If not is there anything out there that is better than me putting go pros all over a stage? thanks
The AtomX cast is now $199.00 so if you already own a Ninja V, its a no-brainer at that price to add more functionality to the Ninja V as a live switcher recorder etc...
I guess it’s probably better to compare this to the ATEM Mini Pro over the original Mini, not from a streaming perspective, but from a recording one. As far as I recall, the original mini doesn’t have recording built in. With the NinjaV you’re getting a ProRes recording of your mix, so really, the comparison setup would be the ATEM Mini Pro PLUS a Monitor for Multiview, which if you use, means you lose the HDMI out for any live relay. I don’t know how it compares to the Yolobox in this regard.
Are you getting a ProRes recording? That came up in tonight’s live show and no one knew. If so, then that’s an advantage (I don’t have it anymore so can’t check). You’re right about the original Mini not having record, so that’s true. And while it’s correct as well that you’d be giving up the HDMI on the ATEM Mini Pro by attaching a monitor, you don’t need it to record as that’s over USB, and you don’t need it either to stream as that’s over Ethernet. I’d argue the usefulness of a ProRes program recording though, come to think of it. What are you doing to do with it that the ProRes should make a difference?
@@photojoseph Yeah, recording on the Mini Pro over USB, but the HDMI for MultiView so you're not cutting blind, which then means you don't have the HDMI for a PGM output to screen/projector etc., Whereas the Ninja setup has the screen built in, displaying the multiview leaving outputs (2 of them!) free for PGM. I've got a Mini ISO, which is fine, was using an original Mini on a job the other week and the lack of multiview was painful!. I guess in the context you see the Ninja CAST being used (live relay), then a built in ProRes record would be for any post-event edit work, but yes the Mini Pro has record, which is why I feel it's a better comparison than the original mini. As always it's picking the right tool for the job and budget of course :)
Can i get help as my Atomos Cast X is not connected to OBS i tried several times but failed so not using it and Atomos has no support for the product really bought it with lot of hopes but upset
You need to tap 'live' button, top right of screen on atomx cast, if 'live' is grey.... Tap it, it will turn red, this activates the usbc and hdmi out.
Hi Joseph, I got myself an S5 recently. I was thinking to get an external recorder. Is there any other option other than BM or Atomos in the market or any DIY set up? Thanks
Hey Joseph, i have an important question. Considering i buy the Yolobox Mini and connect it with the Ninja Cast, i have 4 cameras and also can make replays while recording ? Replay feature is really important for me and i stream without a computer, it would be great !
You would do the replays from the cast? Yeah I think that’d work. Think it through like this - the YoloBox would just be used for streaming (maybe adding lower thirds or something too), right? So if you can do it on the AtomX Cast now when it’s outputting to a monitor, then there’s no difference when it’s outputting to the Yolo.
That is not true anyway. The former (well, now returned) CEO had a beef with BlackMagic, but the Cast was an effort to capitalize on the streaming mania that set in with COVID. It's late for that, but a pretty cool addition to the Ninja. Especially when you control it from a computer with the free desktop app.
Atomos AtomX Cast, I BOUGHT THIS AND THE FIRMWARE HAD TO BE UPDATED BUT THE USB-C DOESNT WORK BOTH B&H AND ATOMOS SAYS IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED OR REPAIRED BUT SINCE IM STILL WITH IN MY RETURN PERIOD IM GETTING RID OF THIS AND LOOKING ELSE WHERE. THIS IS NOT A RELIABLE PRODUCT IT HAS LOTS OF ISSUE'S WHICH THIS GUY DOESNT TELL YOU WOULD OF BEEN NICE TO SEE HONESTY
wow. you came here to accuse me of being dishonest because you have a faulty unit? That’s definitely my fault. I told B&H to ship you a dud! C’mon, get real. Sometimes tech fails. If this is the first piece of tech you’ve ever bought in your life that went bad and had to be replaced, consider yourself extremely lucky. Sheesh.
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For any Cast owners out there who aren't aware of it: Get the free cross-platform desktop app to control the Cast from your computer. You can do live switching, upload and configure on-screen graphics, and coolest of all: You can match cameras' color to each other and upload the correction to the Cast unit. Oh, and unlike the Atem software, you get a live preview on-screen.
Recently i bought the Ninja Cast (it was on sale). I use it exactly how you described. Multicam recording on the fly. I could set up 2 or 3 cameras (2 wide angles and 1 speaker's cam) in a small auditorium and operate it with only 1 manpower. Immediately after the event, i could deliver the finished video recording to my client.
Another hack i did was that I have a USB-C to DC cable + powerbank.
The entire set up is off the power grid which means it is very portable.
this is perfect for video podcast.
For the atem mini's, you need an external monitor to preview your camera angles for switching, so there is another expense you need to consider. And if you dont have the pro versions, you dont event get a multi-view and need a special monitor that can display and pass through 4 hdmi inputs. I like the ninja cast because it gives you a preview, a good quality recording of your program out in easy to edit codecs and you still can selectively display a basic preview to an external monitor and your program out to a house/producer feed and send the webcam signal to a pc with the encoder software and fancy graphics to do a nice live broadcast. They also just dropped the prices so can get a ninja 5 with the ninja cast for $650 or better.
I returned mine and got a yolobox for live-streaming. Only downside is the delay on non active videos. This device was amazing for directly connected to obs.
Nice
I bought it just because I have the the Ninja.
I do live streaming using the black magic design web presenter as an encoder.
Have to say, it is working great.
That’s great to hear. Yeah with those pieces in place I can see how it’d work well.
Great examples
Ive seen the video when it was uploaded, now coming back to it, lots have changed…can you make an update video please?
I don’t have the product anymore, sorry
Well done, Joseph, an excellent and concise comparison.
Thank you, Denial!
AtomX Cast is now $199 to $249 Adorama sells a package deal with Ninja V+ and AtomX Cast combo plus accessory package for $799. Free ProRes Raw, ProRes, h.264 and DNx. The ATEM Mini pro does not record in ProRes high Quality codecs. From BMPCC 4 and 6k, the frame rate has to be 25 fps and above. Atom X Cast will not detect HDMI output of 24fps or lower, however the Ninja V+ alone does detect all of the frame rates of the BMPCCs.
Thanks
Cool video. But to be honest ATEM mini pro ISO is much much better. What I like the most with BM Atem mini pro ISO is option to record all files + u get project file so later in editing you can easily fix mistake or do quick re-edit. Let's see what's coming in the future... This is just first model.
can I plug a larger monitor into the HDMI out and have all four feeds on the same screen sort of like a large video village feed? Any help is appreciated subbed!!
QUESTION.
Which would you recommend, Yolobox pro or this? I don’t own a ninja v. I’m looking for a super compact setup. Encoding is not an issue as I use a LiveU 200. Audio control and quality is also important to me.
While they are diff products it would be interesting to see someone do a comparison
They are too different to compare. Do you want to switch with multiple cameras? Have titles and other effects? PiP? You said “super compact” but are talking about using a separate encoder. Yolo is all in one, and if you need only one camera, the Yolo Mini is super small.
nice video and on time i was going to buy one but i think your right the atem with encoders is a better choice ..
I want to love this… but, yeah.
YOU PRESENT INFO AND TECH REALLY WELL JOSEPH .
I think this is great for ppl who already have a Ninja but it should be about 100dollars cheaper coz its bscally a few buttons and a multiviewer *plus a HDMI to usb
The recording function is form the actual Ninja
You’re not wrong!
Question... say i had 4 cameras on a band, does it record all 4 feeds simultaneously so i can go home and edit it all in final cut for example? If not is there anything out there that is better than me putting go pros all over a stage? thanks
HEY JOSEPH I HAVE THIS NINJA CAST BUT EVERY TIME I USE IT, I HAVE GREEN COLOR IN ALL THE SOURCES, AND ALSO AFFECTS MY RECORD. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA?
Sounds like a bad connection inside the unit. Return for a new one.
The AtomX cast is now $199.00 so if you already own a Ninja V, its a no-brainer at that price to add more functionality to the Ninja V as a live switcher recorder etc...
I found them on amazon for 200 now just so everybody knows.
Do you know why when I connected to a TV and I change to PiP for preview.. the image turns green ans purple?
Sounds like a bad cable or a bad port
So more of a quick IMAG gig, or maybe a secondary on-site use case.
I was wondering about this, also, is it limited to 1080p?
Yes it is
I guess it’s probably better to compare this to the ATEM Mini Pro over the original Mini, not from a streaming perspective, but from a recording one. As far as I recall, the original mini doesn’t have recording built in. With the NinjaV you’re getting a ProRes recording of your mix, so really, the comparison setup would be the ATEM Mini Pro PLUS a Monitor for Multiview, which if you use, means you lose the HDMI out for any live relay. I don’t know how it compares to the Yolobox in this regard.
Are you getting a ProRes recording? That came up in tonight’s live show and no one knew. If so, then that’s an advantage (I don’t have it anymore so can’t check). You’re right about the original Mini not having record, so that’s true. And while it’s correct as well that you’d be giving up the HDMI on the ATEM Mini Pro by attaching a monitor, you don’t need it to record as that’s over USB, and you don’t need it either to stream as that’s over Ethernet. I’d argue the usefulness of a ProRes program recording though, come to think of it. What are you doing to do with it that the ProRes should make a difference?
@@photojoseph Yeah you get a pro res (or avid DNxHD) recording of the program..... and no, I'm not a doctor ;)
@@photojoseph Yeah, recording on the Mini Pro over USB, but the HDMI for MultiView so you're not cutting blind, which then means you don't have the HDMI for a PGM output to screen/projector etc., Whereas the Ninja setup has the screen built in, displaying the multiview leaving outputs (2 of them!) free for PGM. I've got a Mini ISO, which is fine, was using an original Mini on a job the other week and the lack of multiview was painful!. I guess in the context you see the Ninja CAST being used (live relay), then a built in ProRes record would be for any post-event edit work, but yes the Mini Pro has record, which is why I feel it's a better comparison than the original mini. As always it's picking the right tool for the job and budget of course :)
Can i get help as my Atomos Cast X is not connected to OBS i tried several times but failed so not using it and Atomos has no support for the product really bought it with lot of hopes but upset
You need to tap 'live' button, top right of screen on atomx cast, if 'live' is grey.... Tap it, it will turn red, this activates the usbc and hdmi out.
@@strangejames Yep. That is some bad UI. Very obscure, and it totally disables the product if you don't read about it or find out about it somehow.
Hi Joseph, I got myself an S5 recently. I was thinking to get an external recorder. Is there any other option other than BM or Atomos in the market or any DIY set up? Thanks
I only know of BM and ATOMOS, sorry
@@photojoseph Okay thanks Joseph
Hey Joseph, i have an important question. Considering i buy the Yolobox Mini and connect it with the Ninja Cast, i have 4 cameras and also can make replays while recording ? Replay feature is really important for me and i stream without a computer, it would be great !
You would do the replays from the cast? Yeah I think that’d work. Think it through like this - the YoloBox would just be used for streaming (maybe adding lower thirds or something too), right? So if you can do it on the AtomX Cast now when it’s outputting to a monitor, then there’s no difference when it’s outputting to the Yolo.
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HEY JOSEPH ANY IDEA HOW TO REMOVE THE REC SIGN ON CANON C200 WHEN YOU ARE RECORDING WITH NINJA V ? PLEASE HELP OUT . THANKS.
SOUNDS LIKE YOU DON’T HAVE CLEAN HDMI ENABLED. ALSO, YOUR CAPS KEY IS STUCK.
Am Joseph from Africa Ghana and pls I love to have one can u help me out sir?
Atomos and Blackmagic Design are bitter rivals so Atomos probably just trying to copy BMD here with their ATEM Mini LOL
But… it’s not even close. It’s a different product for sure. But not even close.
That is not true anyway. The former (well, now returned) CEO had a beef with BlackMagic, but the Cast was an effort to capitalize on the streaming mania that set in with COVID. It's late for that, but a pretty cool addition to the Ninja. Especially when you control it from a computer with the free desktop app.
Atomos AtomX Cast, I BOUGHT THIS AND THE FIRMWARE HAD TO BE UPDATED BUT THE USB-C DOESNT WORK BOTH B&H AND ATOMOS SAYS IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED OR REPAIRED BUT SINCE IM STILL WITH IN MY RETURN PERIOD IM GETTING RID OF THIS AND LOOKING ELSE WHERE. THIS IS NOT A RELIABLE PRODUCT IT HAS LOTS OF ISSUE'S WHICH THIS GUY DOESNT TELL YOU WOULD OF BEEN NICE TO SEE HONESTY
wow. you came here to accuse me of being dishonest because you have a faulty unit? That’s definitely my fault. I told B&H to ship you a dud! C’mon, get real. Sometimes tech fails. If this is the first piece of tech you’ve ever bought in your life that went bad and had to be replaced, consider yourself extremely lucky. Sheesh.
What is "WOULD OF" supposed to mean? And also you probably didn't press the "Live" button on the Ninja touchscreen.