Hey Guys, Atomos have released the AtomOS 10.71 firmware update that brings some new features to X cast. Here's a short video run through: th-cam.com/video/9JDOWyKNFOE/w-d-xo.html
Great overview! Was going to get a Blackmagic ATEM Mini Pro for my eventual live-streaming setup but since I already own a NinjaV, I’m thinking this is the better direction to go…
Not sure you should do this. I have just bought the Atomx Cast, only to find (what was already obvious from this video) that I cannot mix audio from different sources. Something that even the most basic BM ATEM can do, with no problem, even with the ability to control the gain on each audio. I find this to be the stupidest oversight on behalf of Atomos. I'm thinking about returning the Atomx Cast, because of this. It's a deal-breaker for me, since I would be forced to buy/lug around an audio mixer, just to be able to film two speakers, each with his own mic, plugged into two different cameras. AFW won't help, since I am not always switched on the respective camera, from which I want the audio. There are also more minuses for the AtomX, like having to load the overlays beforehand on the ssd (only 8 of them), and not allowing a system to load them "on the run" like with any BM ATEM, through their ATEM Software.
Hi, thanks for the video! Does it record the 4 signals as separate files, as in the input of the 4 cameras in diferent files, or the only thing that records is the HD session of the mix? Thanks!
i’ve owned a ninja v for years and always record prores 23.98 to it when my cameras were connected directly to it, however when i am using the atomx cast and feeding input1 and 2 with 23.98 over hdmi the cast is forcing it to 29.97 and if i try to record internally to ssd it is also forcing 29.97. Using matching canon c100s
Great video! The AtomX Cast is an awesome product, if one already owns the Ninja V/V+. However I'm seriously thinking about returning the one I just bought because I cannot mix audio from different sources. Something that even the most basic BM ATEM can do, with no problem, even with the ability to control the gain on each audio. I find this to be the stupidest oversight on behalf of Atomos. It's a deal-breaker for me, since I would be forced to buy/lug around an audio mixer, just to be able to film two speakers, each with his own mic, plugged into two different cameras. AFW won't help, since I am not always switched on the respective camera, from which I want the audio. There are also more minuses for the AtomX, like having to load the overlays beforehand on the ssd (only 8 of them), and not allowing a system to load them "on the run" like with any BM ATEM, through their ATEM Software. I really hope Atomos would fix at least the audio issue, through firmware.
Great video, thanks for your work. Reading the manual I take it that if I do a cross fade when switching, this is not recorded (so just a straight cut?) Wondering if this is something you have noticed?
Hey, are you referring to the fade in/out - if so this behaves int he same way as dip to black/white, and doesn't allow for any cross fades between shots, only hard cuts. You are correct, that this is not recorded, it's only output (currently anyway), thanks for watching! KHJ
I don't have a ninja v but I am thinking of getting a recording monitor anyway, which do you recommend the atem mini pro iso or atomz casting. I understand I would spend a little bit more to build the cast but what I liked about the pro iso is its ability to give you a file to work with in davinci, do you know how the castx would be similar to that?
Both have pros and cons to be honest, they're rather different solutions If you want a resolve project folder then stick with the ATEM, as although something similar may come eventually to the X Cast, it's unlikely going to be a resolve project file since Blackmagic are likely to keep this feature for themselves. Thanks for watching - KHJ
Hi, Thanks a lot for that great overview video! I would like to know if it's possible to work simultaneously with all of the 4 audio channels? (wish to connect my 4 "Rode wireless go II" on my 4 cameras, but still to be able to switch between the cameras & stay live with all of the audio channels simultaneously) Thanks in advance!
Hey, thank you for watching! With the current firmware it's only possible to have one channel active at a time - there's no ability to do a mix. I suspect this will change in a future update. KHJ
Awesome video! Super informative! I have a question! If a connect 3 fujifilm xt3 or xt4 into the AtomX Cast, will they be able to record without the time limit as if they were connected to the ninja v directly?
I have 3 cameras recording 4k, out of which one camera currently records onto NINJAv+ with 1TB SSD attached while, the other 2 cameras record on cards. IF I connect Atom X Cast to my Ninja V+ with a 1TB SSD & give all three cameras 4k feed by HDMI port, Can I record all 3 cameras feed in 4k on SSD? Or I can set all 3 cameras on 4K output, but Atom X can only give HD output, so the feed coming from 4k from cameras, will be compressed and converted to HD while storing on SSD? Lastly, The SDD will store all 3/4 cameras feed separately on SSD or only the camera whose feed we select while switching?
I have this system and I film myself, but I can’t figure out how to get mirror image on the ninja. It allows me to flip the image, but not mirror it please help.
Biggest let down is you can’t get a 4K recorded mix when using it in X Cast mode…so you only get an HD mix. I need a 4K pro res mix. Why is that so hard to find??
I was hopeing that IT could record four HD Inputs simultaniously and write the live setting to a XML or some Thing like that, but when i understand it correct you can only record the output?
Is this possible to record two, three, or four camera on the same time on the same SSD and to click on the screen on which scene we want like the Sumo 19? Thanks
Battery power would be possible yes, it's well within the realms of possible based on the power usage. Currently I don't know of any smartphones that will take this as a webcam feed, you need to check if the device supports UVC, if it does then it should work. Thanks for watching! KHJ
when attaching the AtomX, dose this mean the timecode module has to be removed from the rear of the Ninja? If so is there a way to input Timecode via the Timecode Systems transmitters?
Great question. First part, correct, with the X Cast mounted there is no possibility of mounting any other AtomX modules. Second part - let me find out for you now and come back to you...Thanks for watching! KHJ
Ok, got a concrete answer for you Martin. The Timecode of the Ninja V when it is in CAST mode is generated on the Ninja V itself and there's no way to Jam-Sync it. So you can only output TC via HDMI from the CAST. But note the Output is limited to Record Run, Time of Day, or Auto Restarting Timecode, which resets every time you press record - it doesn't really fit with ‘traditional’ timecode workflows for a properly synced system. Hope that help! KHJ
@@Holdannews thanks for the reply. Timecode is an important part of the work flow , its disappointing the AtomX modules disables the jam sync capabilities. thanks for the info.
Guys i have a sony fs5 and ninja v+ i wanna know if the atomos connect is same like the Module SDi AtomX for the sdi fonction nothing are different still get the prores raw and 12 bit 4k 60 fps ?
If you're in the switcher mode it's only possible to record the programme in HD. Whilst the ATOM X cast module is connected to the Ninja V, you can still record 4K from the camera assuming you're not in switcher mode. Thanks for watching! KHJ
No, you could take the HDMI out and use a HDMI to USB converter to go into a laptop and live stream, or connect a dedicated streaming encoder - this wouldn't give you any switching capability however. KHJ
Bummer it doesn't have LAN socket, what is the purpose of having this, if someone have ATEM mini already? It would be great if we could drop the need of having a PC on the set :/
They are two very different products to be honest, both have differing strengths. The NinjaCast has a bright, calibrated screen that has lots of pro video monitoring tools and can also record in ProRes - a lot of filmmakers already own a Ninja too. Whilst the ATEM Mini range has great remote control capabilities (through ATEM Software controller) and as you mentioned a built in streaming encoder so you can connect it directly to a LAN. Either way i'd think you'd want to have a laptop on set regardless of which solution you use, as you really would want a reliable way of monitoring your live stream and interacting with your live platform. Thanks for watching! KHJ
@@Holdannews Yeah, Atem mini have a LAN port, but only for control, not for direct stream (I think that have only pro version). I really hoped, that AtomX with Ninja could be like YOLO device, that you can stream directly from. It's old device, but even first version of YOLO have advantage over Atomos devices in that regard (PC-less streaming).
I BOUGHT THIS AND THE FIRMWARE HAD TO BE UPDATED BUT THE USB-C DOESNT WORK BOTH B&H AND ATOMOS SAYS IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED OR REPAIRED BUT SINCE IM STILL WITH IN MY RETURN PERIOD IM GETTING RID OF THIS AND LOOKING ELSE WHERE. THIS IS NOT A RELIABLE PRODUCT IT HAS LOTS OF ISSUE'S
Hey Guys, Atomos have released the AtomOS 10.71 firmware update that brings some new features to X cast. Here's a short video run through: th-cam.com/video/9JDOWyKNFOE/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for making this video. Looks like an exceptional addition to my Ninja V's. Have a great day!
This was a helluva video! Can't wait to use it!
Nice and quick useful intro presentation!
the best presentation of the Cast found on the web...
Great video with all the info i needed! Thanks a lot! Just pls stop hitting the table while speeking :DD
Great overview! Was going to get a Blackmagic ATEM Mini Pro for my eventual live-streaming setup but since I already own a NinjaV, I’m thinking this is the better direction to go…
Thank you! For sure, if you have a Ninja already this makes so much sense. Thanks for watching :) KHJ
Not sure you should do this. I have just bought the Atomx Cast, only to find (what was already obvious from this video) that I cannot mix audio from different sources. Something that even the most basic BM ATEM can do, with no problem, even with the ability to control the gain on each audio. I find this to be the stupidest oversight on behalf of Atomos. I'm thinking about returning the Atomx Cast, because of this. It's a deal-breaker for me, since I would be forced to buy/lug around an audio mixer, just to be able to film two speakers, each with his own mic, plugged into two different cameras. AFW won't help, since I am not always switched on the respective camera, from which I want the audio. There are also more minuses for the AtomX, like having to load the overlays beforehand on the ssd (only 8 of them), and not allowing a system to load them "on the run" like with any BM ATEM, through their ATEM Software.
Great compact switcher at a good price, But what I’d love to see is a 4k version.
Absolutely me too. Anyone know of a 4k hdmi switcher system or a mix of sdi n hdmi 4k? Thanks
what a beast
Hi, thanks for the video!
Does it record the 4 signals as separate files, as in the input of the 4 cameras in diferent files, or the only thing that records is the HD session of the mix?
Thanks!
It currently records just the one file which is the programme output. So with the current firmware no ISO recording. Thanks for watching! KHJ
i’ve owned a ninja v for years and always record prores 23.98 to it when my cameras were connected directly to it, however when i am using the atomx cast and feeding input1 and 2 with 23.98 over hdmi the cast is forcing it to 29.97 and if i try to record internally to ssd it is also forcing 29.97. Using matching canon c100s
Great video! The AtomX Cast is an awesome product, if one already owns the Ninja V/V+. However I'm seriously thinking about returning the one I just bought because I cannot mix audio from different sources. Something that even the most basic BM ATEM can do, with no problem, even with the ability to control the gain on each audio. I find this to be the stupidest oversight on behalf of Atomos. It's a deal-breaker for me, since I would be forced to buy/lug around an audio mixer, just to be able to film two speakers, each with his own mic, plugged into two different cameras. AFW won't help, since I am not always switched on the respective camera, from which I want the audio. There are also more minuses for the AtomX, like having to load the overlays beforehand on the ssd (only 8 of them), and not allowing a system to load them "on the run" like with any BM ATEM, through their ATEM Software. I really hope Atomos would fix at least the audio issue, through firmware.
Great video, thanks for your work. Reading the manual I take it that if I do a cross fade when switching, this is not recorded (so just a straight cut?) Wondering if this is something you have noticed?
Hey, are you referring to the fade in/out - if so this behaves int he same way as dip to black/white, and doesn't allow for any cross fades between shots, only hard cuts. You are correct, that this is not recorded, it's only output (currently anyway), thanks for watching! KHJ
@@Holdannews the new update says it crossfades now between each video
What if u wanna use it with the rode procaster
I don't have a ninja v but I am thinking of getting a recording monitor anyway, which do you recommend the atem mini pro iso or atomz casting. I understand I would spend a little bit more to build the cast but what I liked about the pro iso is its ability to give you a file to work with in davinci, do you know how the castx would be similar to that?
Both have pros and cons to be honest, they're rather different solutions If you want a resolve project folder then stick with the ATEM, as although something similar may come eventually to the X Cast, it's unlikely going to be a resolve project file since Blackmagic are likely to keep this feature for themselves. Thanks for watching - KHJ
Hi, Thanks a lot for that great overview video!
I would like to know if it's possible to work simultaneously with all of the 4 audio channels?
(wish to connect my 4 "Rode wireless go II" on my 4 cameras, but still to be able to switch between the cameras & stay live with all of the audio channels simultaneously)
Thanks in advance!
Hey, thank you for watching! With the current firmware it's only possible to have one channel active at a time - there's no ability to do a mix. I suspect this will change in a future update. KHJ
@@Holdannews BIG HOPE! like the 4K Streaming option that just coming on the Sony A7IV ;)
Hello can i record to regular ssd drive or does it have to be the Atomos interface brand? any third party adapters?
Awesome video! Super informative! I have a question! If a connect 3 fujifilm xt3 or xt4 into the AtomX Cast, will they be able to record without the time limit as if they were connected to the ninja v directly?
Same question…
I have 3 cameras recording 4k, out of which one camera currently records onto NINJAv+ with 1TB SSD attached while, the other 2 cameras record on cards.
IF I connect Atom X Cast to my Ninja V+ with a 1TB SSD & give all three cameras 4k feed by HDMI port, Can I record all 3 cameras feed in 4k on SSD?
Or I can set all 3 cameras on 4K output, but Atom X can only give HD output, so the feed coming from 4k from cameras, will be compressed and converted to HD while storing on SSD?
Lastly, The SDD will store all 3/4 cameras feed separately on SSD or only the camera whose feed we select while switching?
Can I use the Ninja Cast to stream Gaming content. Pls explain.
Where can I find the ID did for atomx cast for registration on atoms website
I have this system and I film myself, but I can’t figure out how to get mirror image on the ninja. It allows me to flip the image, but not mirror it please help.
Biggest let down is you can’t get a 4K recorded mix when using it in X Cast mode…so you only get an HD mix. I need a 4K pro res mix. Why is that so hard to find??
I was hopeing that IT could record four HD Inputs simultaniously and write the live setting to a XML or some Thing like that, but when i understand it correct you can only record the output?
Correct, currently you can only record the program output. KHJ
Is this possible to record two, three, or four camera on the same time on the same SSD and to click on the screen on which scene we want like the Sumo 19? Thanks
Hi, no ISO recording isn't possible yet, but it should be coming in the future. Thanks for watching. KHJ
My Atomos Doesn’t show sound on Obs (doesn’t give sound to OBS )
Could I use this with battery power? And could I stream to a phone? Thinking mobile set up.
Battery power would be possible yes, it's well within the realms of possible based on the power usage. Currently I don't know of any smartphones that will take this as a webcam feed, you need to check if the device supports UVC, if it does then it should work. Thanks for watching! KHJ
when attaching the AtomX, dose this mean the timecode module has to be removed from the rear of the Ninja? If so is there a way to input Timecode via the Timecode Systems transmitters?
Great question. First part, correct, with the X Cast mounted there is no possibility of mounting any other AtomX modules. Second part - let me find out for you now and come back to you...Thanks for watching! KHJ
Ok, got a concrete answer for you Martin. The Timecode of the Ninja V when it is in CAST mode is generated on the Ninja V itself and there's no way to Jam-Sync it. So you can only output TC via HDMI from the CAST. But note the Output is limited to Record Run, Time of Day, or Auto Restarting Timecode, which resets every time you press record - it doesn't really fit with ‘traditional’ timecode workflows for a properly synced system. Hope that help! KHJ
@@Holdannews thanks for the reply. Timecode is an important part of the work flow , its disappointing the AtomX modules disables the jam sync capabilities. thanks for the info.
@@martinkeir6223 Could you maybe record TC via audio to one of the cameras you feed into the cast?
"the device has two outputs.. there is an additional out put" 2+1 =3 = "the device has three outputs" can you clarify please.
you can record the program.. but cant record the 4 inputs?
No one tells you cable management. How do we hook to two monitors, two camera and a laptop?
Can you make another one on the new update it says we get transitions between each view now but seems the same to me just hard cuts
Hey, here you go! th-cam.com/video/9JDOWyKNFOE/w-d-xo.html
Thanks so much!!!
Guys i have a sony fs5 and ninja v+ i wanna know if the atomos connect is same like the Module SDi
AtomX for the sdi fonction nothing are different still get the prores raw and 12 bit 4k 60 fps ?
Yes that's right, the Connect module will allow you to do ProRes RAW over SDI in the same manner the SDI module did. Thanks for watching - KHJ
external recording from camera to ninja v 4k still able to record when attached to atomos atomx cast plus pgm?
If you're in the switcher mode it's only possible to record the programme in HD. Whilst the ATOM X cast module is connected to the Ninja V, you can still record 4K from the camera assuming you're not in switcher mode. Thanks for watching! KHJ
can you record in 4k on the ssd?
Can you plug in a Zoom recorder that’s connected to 4 microphones?
Absolutely
Wat processor does it needs
Does the audio get out of sync on longer recordings?
Not that i've noticed. Thanks for watching! KHJ
Can we connect to a laptop
Hi, nice video. Can you live stream with just the Ninja V without the Ninja cast?
No, you could take the HDMI out and use a HDMI to USB converter to go into a laptop and live stream, or connect a dedicated streaming encoder - this wouldn't give you any switching capability however. KHJ
Feels like I should still just save $100 and get an Atem Mini even if I have a Ninja V, no?
Nope, as this gives you a lot better view (screen info and quality) over what atm would give plus the recording on the drive
Bummer it doesn't have LAN socket, what is the purpose of having this, if someone have ATEM mini already? It would be great if we could drop the need of having a PC on the set :/
They are two very different products to be honest, both have differing strengths. The NinjaCast has a bright, calibrated screen that has lots of pro video monitoring tools and can also record in ProRes - a lot of filmmakers already own a Ninja too. Whilst the ATEM Mini range has great remote control capabilities (through ATEM Software controller) and as you mentioned a built in streaming encoder so you can connect it directly to a LAN. Either way i'd think you'd want to have a laptop on set regardless of which solution you use, as you really would want a reliable way of monitoring your live stream and interacting with your live platform. Thanks for watching! KHJ
@@Holdannews Yeah, Atem mini have a LAN port, but only for control, not for direct stream (I think that have only pro version). I really hoped, that AtomX with Ninja could be like YOLO device, that you can stream directly from. It's old device, but even first version of YOLO have advantage over Atomos devices in that regard (PC-less streaming).
Just buy the Atem Mini
Привет. Как удалить (заменить) уже загруженный в Cast PNG ?
🙏🏾
A 4k ??
1920x1080 only. Thanks for watching! KHJ
I BOUGHT THIS AND THE FIRMWARE HAD TO BE UPDATED BUT THE USB-C DOESNT WORK BOTH B&H AND ATOMOS SAYS IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED OR REPAIRED BUT SINCE IM STILL WITH IN MY RETURN PERIOD IM GETTING RID OF THIS AND LOOKING ELSE WHERE. THIS IS NOT A RELIABLE PRODUCT IT HAS LOTS OF ISSUE'S
I find it annoying they say streaming but actually doesn’t stream.
So still cant livestream by itself?...nah... whats the point if you cant go fully mobile?
Pro tip: Don't knock the table so much, ruins your audio.
Bro, it is Ninja FIVE not Vee as you say. Get it right when doing review!
lol. 5 is V