Dr. Peter Kreeft & the Most Destructive Belief in History
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- Dr. Peter Kreeft & the Most Destructive Belief in History
Today, Isaac Fox and the guys interview none other than Dr. Peter Kreeft, author of over 100 books and one of the most influential Catholic teachers today. His insights, wisdom, and simple advice penetrate through the complexities of our human experiences in profound ways. As he often mentions in his books, Dr. Kreeft gets bored easily, making today's episode quite the opposite. Belief in God Himself is the opening conversation, and the rest flowed as God intended.
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Great conversation! Some gems:
Who is Jesus? (29:49)
"We reflect the universe rather than the universe reflecting us, or rather both we and the universe reflect God who is Himself not just one person but a love relationship among persons.
And that relationship - between the Father and the Son - is so perfect that it eternally becomes the third Person, Love itself."(42:13)
"The image of God is reflected in everything that has been made, so maybe it's not surprising that we see that in the universe, or in nature (42:57)
"But he credits the existence of God in that stone, saving his sanity.” (44:14)
"You want that divine image in the human to be redeemed." (47:14)
"The greatness of the name of Christ." (1:02:06)
"God for us as God's savior." (01:02:27)
"We were to be images of God." (01:02:54)
"I made the middle name Ambrose." (1:10:24)
"Augustine's famous, ‘Oh felix culpa!’." (1:17:20)
I'll perform a brief matchmaking among these terms and an apology of Christ centeredness:
The understanding of things must always be obtained through the idea that God has of things, through anagogy (descent), not catagogy (descent).
It is not the man who, by eating, performs an animalistic action, but the ox who, by eating, performs a human action.
The center of the poem of creation that was thought of is man, then there was the hierarchical gradation. But man from eternity, from the beginning is thought, exemplified, finalized, placed in radical connection and willed in Christ the Redeemer, crucified and risen, head of all creation and then of the Church. Every man belongs to him even before being reached and transformed by His Spirit, by an act of the individual or of the community. He reproduces his face, subsists universally, indelibly even before participating in his divine life with Baptism, even if only partial, in image, in-forced. It is the authentic sketch of a picture that claims to be ontologically defined, finalized (Aristotelian efficient causality), connected (Augustinian or Neoplatonic exemplary causality), and resembling a masterpiece.
The Christian is not lacking something. It is the unredeemed, unjustified man who is like a black hole. Man, according to the Father's plan, is the realized image of Christ.
Man without grace is less man.
Mankind is within the concrete human nature as it was willed by the Father's plan.
There is no pure nature to which the theological virtues must be taken away.
Loving one's neighbor is the precept of Christianity, even the one who is spiritually distant. It is enough for one to be a man to be an icon of Christ, of one who deserves to be loved.
For St Ambrose, Christ is the closest, the head of the members.
If values are good, if they are authentic, they are Christ, a reverberation of his light. There is no non-Christian beauty, because Christ is the archetype, summit, sum of all beauty, and justice.
There is no Christian and non-Christian truth. Either there is the true or there is the false.
Such a great comment and contribution to the video! I'm pinning this one to the top! Thank you for watching!
There is no Christian beauty
@@konyvnyelv. "The only reason I can imagine why someone would deny that some beautiful things are beautiful inherently and necessarily is that they would deny that beauty is objectively real, and say it’s all “different strokes for different folks.” Yet we all know, I think, that someone who finds musical harmony ugly and violent attacks on harmony beautiful, the structure and design of the human body ugly and bodily mutilation beautiful, or Jesus and Mary ugly and Hitler and the Marquis de Sade beautiful, is profoundly wrong, twisted.
People say that silly thing because many things are indeed beautiful only relatively and extrinsically (like tools, the right amount of light, familiar faces, or any work of art that succeeds, with them, in art’s highest purpose-which is to break your heart and elicit tears). But that may well be “Mary Had a Little Lamb” for one and Beethoven’s Ninth for another.
I think that even here, however, the one who sees no beauty in “Mary Had a Little Lamb” is missing something, just as one who sees none in Beethoven’s Ninth is missing something. Beauty is a “transcendental,” i.e., absolutely universal, property. Everything is, in itself, intrinsically beautiful in some way. I remember Father Norris Clarke talking about this and saying that he saw no beauty in mosquitoes (which pestered him) until he looked at one carefully under a microscope."(P.Kreeft)
@@PaoloGasparini-ux2kp humans share many ideas of beauty since our brains are similar. But it doesn't mean it's objective beauty A frog thinks frogs are better looking than humans.
@@konyvnyelv. "Beauty is a concept that can be tricky to pin down. We are often are-or at least were-assailed with the phrase, “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder,” but like with subjectivism in general, it cannot stand on its own two feet. One person may look at a golden sunset after a thunderstorm in the middle of summer and see beauty; another man may look at a pile of garbage or a rotting corpse and see beauty. According to the well worn saying, both objects of admiration, the sunset and the garbage or the corpse, are equally beautiful because they find their worth thrust upon them by their gazers. But it should not take much to see that every real person should and would choose the sunset over the garbage, just as we would expect a person to accept a gold brick in payment instead of a mud brick. But the question then, still remains: What is beauty? The philosopher, Roger Scruton, is correct when he says that beauty is a sense of the sacred and of the sublime. This is more correct than even Sir Roger may be aware of since beauty must tie in somehow with the sacred since it is one of the three transcendentals that, ultimately, lead to God. Peter Kreeft, another of the few true giants of our time, following in the footsteps of C.S. Lewis, has said that the three transcendentals are Truth, Goodness and Beauty with each one being related to an aspect of humanity. Truth, which is the revelation or the showing of Being (What Really Is), is related to the mind and in allowing the truth inside, the mind can see what truly is; Goodness relates to the will and Beauty to the heart. Not only are the three transcendentals related to different aspects of a person but they are also intimately linked with one another. Truth is true because it conforms to reality; Goodness is good because it is true; Beauty is beautiful because it is good. This leads to an interesting detail; if Truth is universal (which it must be or else it is not truth) then Beauty, being so intimately related to Truth, must also be universal. Beauty must be able to cut across time and space and present itself to be seen by every man who has and ever will live. O course, the different paths taken by history in the different parts of the world, as well as the different languages and cultures that dot the world and its past, mean that there have been different expressions of Beauty over time. The poetry of the Orient and the Occident is one obvious example, but even in Europe, poetry differed between ages. But does not follow from this that there are no universals at all. Although the expressions were different, they show each culture approaching the sacred. To take honor as an example: both the medieval knight and the samurai believed in honor but each had a different way of expressing their honor. The knight was to protect the weak and defenseless while the samurai was to ritually kill himself to regain his honor in case of defeat or dishonor(...)
What so many of the modern poems and poets lack is a sense of wonder, which Aristotle said was the beginning of wisdom. They have been so consumed by their own cynicism and by the lie of expressionism that wonder has shriveled and withered away. It is another paradox that in trying to be free of wonder, modern poets have restricted themselves to the point where they are the prisoners, trying to hold the rest of the world hostage. G.K. Chesterton wrote poems ranging from doggerel to epics, a feat he was able to accomplish because he saw the wonder and Beauty of the world, and captured that wonder and Beauty in his verse. What Chesterton and all the great poets understood was that man needs Beauty, just as surely as he needs air and water. As Roger Scruton, again, argues, the fact that we take extra time in setting the family table for the Thanksgiving or Christmas feast, bringing out the good silver and dishes and table clothes, demonstrates our need for beauty that goes beyond beautiful paintings and poems. We need beauty in our everyday humdrum lives. We require this beauty because he are heads and hearts. Rationality encompasses both. We need Beauty in order that our rationality may be more fully fulfilled. And we need Beauty to guide us along the path to Being itself." (Nathan Stone)
A last decisive quote:
"Without the experience of truth, beauty, and goodness, life is morally and spiritually
meaningless, and nothing but good can result from our intellectual efforts to understand these
basic qualities." (James Perry)
Dr. Kreeft is a masterful and yet gentle teacher and philosopher. His direct, thoughtful, and unvarnished (but not argumentative or mean) style is engaging and reassuring.
You are so right!
Beautiful conversation. I left the Chuch 25 years ago (am now in my early 40s), but am now wrestling with an, I think, inevitable return home. These videos help to clarify what I’m struggling with.
Thank you for commenting. We will be praying for you today (Good Friday). Keep us posted!
@@spiritandspire Thank you for the response, and for your prayer today. I suppose it is fitting that I returned today, Good Friday, of all days (though I returned to the Bible and prayer several months ago).
@@09bamasky Praise God!
🎉🙏 praying for you😅
As a smidge older than you, I can empathize where you are coming from...especially with feeling of return being inevitable...I was there in my late 40s after leaving the Ch "for the last time." Understand that God calls you through many people and events sometimes even YT vids. I found my way back through more of a focus on Jesus, less focus on the politics of ppl who run the Church. Kreeft has a lot on YT and so do many others. 🙏 No speed limits or expectations here, but welcome back. 😉
Our hearts are restless Lord until they rest in You!
Amen
Commenting for the algorithm. I see PK videos I watch and like. Dude is a titan.
Really appreciate you. He's a powerhouse.
Never seen this channel but arrived to check out another Kreeft gem. And he doesn’t disappoint. But I was really impressed with the hosts as well. Well done.
Thank you for the kind words. God Bless.
Finally I can listen to a good conversation. And I feel so much connection with these man of God. Bless you eternally. God bless us all ♥️❤️♥️
God Bless you Jim!
What a wonderful conversation! The panel was well-prepared and the personal witnesses shared brought out amazing insights from Dr. Kreeft.
Thank you, Craig. It really means ALOT.
Thank you so much!! I was feeling like I had adhd tonight, couldn’t find a thing to listen to, then I found this!!
I have dr. Kreefts great courses… god bless him!❤
That’s awesome Janice! Thanks for watching and commenting.
I don't think i've even read 100 books in my life, let alone written 100 books. That is absolutely insane!
Just one book at a time.
So impressive isn’t it?
Good way of looking at it!
I love Peter kreeft!
Us too! Thanks for watching
Never a dull moment with Dr. Kreeft!
That’s for sure!
God bless you guys cheers
God Bless You! Pray for us
I am always totally immersed by the ideas Dr.Peter. I love them
He’s the best!
I could listen to Dr. Kreeft for hours. This panel has really made me think. Thank you for posting this conversation. 🙏❤️
Edit: I subbed to your channel.
He is amazing! Thanks, Theresa we really appreciate you
The Book of Job is truly the greatest of the Ancient Scripture ever written. Job seeks the deepest answers in the nature of his suffering. And God answers in the multi-variant reflections of His Beauty. Reading this book has gifted me with the deepest sense of peace, oftentimes 'binging' on waves of God's eternal lament washing away the deepest pains of our human existence.
“We can ignore even pleasure. But pain insists upon being attended to. God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience, but shouts in our pains: it is his megaphone to rouse a deaf world.”
― C.S. Lewis, The Problem of Pain
Very insightful, relevant, and inspiring talk. Thank you & God bless❤
Thank you for watching! AMDG
Beautiful!! Simply BEAUTIFUL!!
I Believe that we are all in the presence of ..if not the greatest biblical free thinking scholar, "excuse please" he's damm close!
God bless you all and thanks so much !🙏
Agreed. Thank you for watching!
Kreeft is my favorite.
Ours too! Thanks for watching
'It's God or nothing, and we've got nothing' says Dr Kreeft.
We do indeed need to return to and address the notion - and reality - of God.
Very enlightening!
Thanks Nathan! Glad you enjoyed it.
Thank for you all for the amazing work. Have dozens of notes from this talk now to go through about each subject. Appreciated it, God bless you all.
you have a beautiful cathedral...was blessed to visit about six yrs ago on a parish trip to Gethsemane
We are really blessed. Thanks for watching!
What a great intelligent conversation! I have been looking for something like this…..
Thanks for watching!
I am a Coptic Christian but I’m not Egyptian. I believe God has put me in the right place to be close to Him.
One thing I would like to mention is the question of why does God allow suffering? I think that question can be answered another way, if we as why is humanity still fallen ? We will always be fallen until we are raised to Him.
I also think psychologically the ego seeks perfection and all philosophy comes to this. Why do we repeat our history? It is because it is subconscious. If I learned a C court on the guitar, I repeat it over and over until I can do it without thinking. Evil is spread in the subconscious by the evil person’s subconscious. As a philosopher Seneca once said anger is contagious. So the subconscious is reactionary and it is this that evil people use when they speak, it is to😢get an angry reaction.
Evil comes from those who are narcissistic meaning, like narcissist whom looked in the pool and saw perfection, this is the image that they spread. Where does it say in the communist manifesto that people like Stalin should have their picture everywhere.
When it comes to narcissism, these people think they have the right to do what they do. Rights are the same as entitlement, the same as what they fight for politically.
I hear people say about others that others have a different reality. There is only one reality and it isn’t coming from someone’s subconscious.
Jesus loved the enemy , so the mind of God showed the Jews God knows more than Hebrew thinking but Greek as wel. Logic had to come even if the Jews did not think like that. The logos is indeed truth in understanding the world and that we repeat of our imperfections as God said be Holy for I am Holy. The human being is truely in a state of being so what are we to be? Like God HolyThere is much conflict in identification. Being an adopted person myself, born a stranger to the world, I can look at things in the third person. God scattered the Jewish people so became adopted to the different cultures and theywould of learn much from them, but kept the integrity of their religion. The church likewise, is also adopted in Christ. The Jews did not take on the different thinking but it seems strange they use psychology which derives from other Gods. The Christian and the Jew in Jung and Freud wanted to understand what goes on in the mind and had to use other God to do so. Reality is reality and to understand it we use an understanding that comes not necessarily from who we are. But can come from the enemy.
The world is increasing been polarised with identity at the forefront. My prayers for the world.
Thank you Dr Peter kreef.
I might say the answer to the worst idea is this: The church's role in the world shifting from its message to the world that all are welcome to repent into the call to the world that all are welcome.
If Christ is who we say He is - then the problem with the current state of the world is on us and our fear to call the world to repent.
Troubling but very true! Thank you
love the quote at start of video, "it's God or nothing,
and we've got nothing."
in Genesis, there can be understanding that it is a mythological & symbological story, & that's not saying it's not true, its just that layers of meaning have opened up to me over time, the ego, or will power wants to believe that it could conquer the world if it could only untangle enough of it's mysteries, study enough science, develop an artificial intelligence capable of developing & perfecting it's own programs to a point where it can evolve it's own will & willpower, but a billion empty wells still contain no water.
submission to God is the only victory over evil.
when Jesus says,
"you are either for Me or you are against Me."
what He is saying to me is,
you are either for God, & Good, or you are against God & Good.
You are either for Good or you are for evil.
and i know enough of what evil is & does & want no part of that.
God Willing, Thy Will Be Done.
Well said Carl
wonderful! thank you
Thank you for watching!
Thank you!
Thank you for watching!
I loved this discussion. Philosophy is the love of wisdom. Good job gentlemen.
Thanks for watching! AMDG
So glad to have found your channel ! Great interview, I love prof. Kreeft’s work.
Thanks for watching!
Excellent. Thank you all. Subscribed.
Welcome aboard! Gnome Research is a great name.
Wonderful dialogue! God bless!
God Bless you Dorin thanks for watching!
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
03:14 🌐 The most dangerous idea in the world is the idea of God because it destroys all idols and poses a threat to false beliefs.
03:43 🧠 If all human ideas were weighed against the idea of God, the latter would infinitely outweigh all others due to its concept of infinite perfection.
04:11 🐍 The worst idea in history is forgetting God or replacing Him with other idols, leading to destruction and moral decay in Western Civilization.
09:20 🌊 Embracing the absence or lack of God, or worshiping false gods, leads to a dangerous path, whereas hitting rock bottom can lead to conversion and returning to God.
15:03 💡 The lukewarmness and complacency in comfortable societies can be more dangerous than the desperation and suffering in those facing hardships, as the latter may lead to deeper conversions and stronger faith.
20:07 🤔 While the existence of evil and suffering remains a profound question, it is suggested that God, in His infinite wisdom and love, allows suffering to bring forth greater goods, virtues, and a deeper understanding of His heart, ultimately leading to the beatific vision.
24:00 😇 The beatific vision is about knowing God, not just knowing about Him, and it involves intuitive knowledge and direct contact with God.
25:25 😔 In times of suffering, instead of seeking answers, we should trust in God and seek to know Him on a deeper level through faith and surrender.
26:21 🙏 God's wisdom often exceeds human comprehension, and He answers our questions in ways that lead us to deeper understanding and faith.
27:27 👍 Justice is just, and God's love is beyond justice. Love is more than justice, and a purely just world would lack hope.
28:43 👉 God's wrath is His response to our sin, and it's an expression of His love to cleanse and purify us, not mere punishment.
32:07 💔 Double predestination, the idea that God wants some people to be in hell, is a terrible heresy and goes against the nature of a loving God.
33:19 🗣️ Misconceptions about the God of the Old Testament are prevalent, but the New Testament also contains severe language about divine justice.
35:13 🌅 Profound transformation often comes through suffering, leading to a deeper understanding of God and His purpose.
37:40 💬 Socratic dialogues offer a powerful method for seeking truth, exposing misconceptions, and finding deeper understanding.
41:25 👫 Humanity, particularly in male and female relationships, reflects the image of God in its completeness and love, making it distinct from angelic relationships.
45:41 💔 The devil targets the family and sexuality as a primary means of attacking humanity's core and seeks to promote a comfortable, diluted version of religion.
46:39 🌐 Addressing contemporary challenges like transgenderism requires both firm opposition to falsehoods and deep compassion and love for the individuals involved.
47:23 🤔 Truth and love must be combined to address sensitive topics like gender; finding the right balance is challenging but necessary.
48:17 💬 Accompanying individuals with love and truth requires discernment; no universal formula exists due to the uniqueness of each person's situation.
49:12 🌟 Personal relationships and love can have a profound impact on people's willingness to reconsider their beliefs or choices.
50:33 ❤️ Love is a powerful force; people may disagree with you, but they will respond to love and compassion.
51:30 🙏 The name of God is sacred, and names have profound significance and identity, reflecting encounters with the divine.
01:09:50 🎙️ People often give multiple names to their children in the Catholic tradition, including saints' names and confirmation names.
01:11:16 🌟 The Book of Revelation speaks of those who overcome being given a new name, signifying a transformed identity and a unique relationship with God.
01:11:57 💔 Purgatory is not an in-between place but the ante room to heaven, where Christ purifies and transforms souls.
01:14:27 🙏🏼 Prayer and sacrifice for loved ones are important, even when we don't see immediate results or know their ultimate destiny.
01:16:03 🕊️ The Theology of the Body provides a language to address the breakdown of the family, gender confusion, and addiction with love and truth.
01:19:25 🕊️ Heaven is not a fluffy, unrealistic place, but a profound and real state of being, more substantial than hell. The Holy Spirit's presence in us is better than Jesus physically being present with us.
01:29:16 🙌🏼 Jesus' ascension enabled the sending of the Holy Spirit, a more intimate presence within us, leading to faith and transformation. The Eucharist, though appearing as ordinary bread, is the real presence of Christ, with rare mystical experiences being the exception, not the norm.
01:31:22 🤖 Emotions in the right relationship with God don't guarantee good behavior.
01:31:37 🌊 The Eucharist's impact is subtle and transformative, like tides rather than spectacular waves.
01:32:04 ❄️ Symbolism of snow representing the countless children affected by Roe vs. Wade's overturning.
01:33:01 🤗 We can't cling to Jesus, but He's not disembodied either; we need to let go to go deeper in our relationship.
01:34:25 🍬 God doesn't want us to get a spiritual "Sweet Tooth"; miracles shouldn't be our primary focus.
01:35:34 🌟 The holiest saints may not experience visible consolations but have a deep connection with God.
01:37:03 🌟 Each person may play a crucial role in the world's existence and can be called to be a saint.
01:39:48 📚 Recommended books: "Heaven: The Heart's Deepest Longing" and "Jesus Shock."
01:41:41 🧡 Love your children unconditionally and guide them in faith to navigate challenges in the digital age.
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I question the efficacy of any philosophy that borrows the Nietzschean 'struggle to power' as its primary explanation. Nietzschean philosophy really doesn't have much to do with the Roman Catholic Church, although some 'catholic radicals' would claim otherwise.
Not all things can be defined as a Will to Power. 💕
Thanks for adding to the intellectual nature of the comment section!
@@spiritandspire You are welcome. I think there are some aspects of Nietzschean philosophy that if people do not understand it, it can lead to destruction. This is a spiritual reality.
It seems a 'false dichotomy' to insist we are caught in a cross-fire of Nurture vs. Nature. We’re already in too deep if we start with that assumption. We just need to step back and realize that Eve chose the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil FIRST. Mary chose the Tree of Life FIRST.
THE VIRGIN MARY CHOSE THE TREE OF LIFE FIRST 💕
@@spiritandspire Keep in mind our contribution is not just intellectual.
Freedom exists not to do what you want but having the right to do what you ought. - Saint Pope John Paul II
Saint Pope John Paul II strongly urged us to study Saint Thomas Aquinas.
Pope Benedict XVI strongly urged us to study Saint Thomas Aquinas.
Now Pope Francis is now strongly urging us to study Saint Thomas Aquinas.
It seems to me that the solution was found when Thomas Aquinas asserted the following correspondences between the seven Capital Virtues and the seven Gifts of the Holy Spirit:
The gift of wisdom corresponds to the virtue of charity.
The gift of understanding corresponds to the virtue of faith.
The gift of counsel (right judgement) corresponds to the virtue of prudence.
The gift of courage corresponds to the virtue of fortitude.
The gift of knowledge corresponds to the virtue of hope.
The gift of reverence corresponds to the virtue of justice.
The gift of wonder and awe corresponds to the virtue of temperance.
Some people don't want to hear this, but words not matching actions may be a form of manipulation. Refusing to be held accountable for 'proven' manipulation is called gas lighting. And it if you look through the last several thousand years, we easily see that anytime humanity diverges from this correspondence, it always lead to deadly errors manifested in various spectrums of the seven deadly sins. Just to be clear, anytime humanity diverges from this plan their divergence ALWAYS lead to deadly errors manifested in various spectrums of the seven deadly sins. ALWAYS
Nietzschean Philosophy is totally destructive. I would say satanic.
All i ever wanted all i ever needed is here in my arms... Words are very, unecessary, they can only do harm - Depeche Mode 😂
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First time here. Great conversation!
Thanks for watching. Welcome!
Wonderful interview! I know Peter kreeft but who are these other intelligent gentlemen? Also was this interview recent?
About a year old now! Thanks for watching. More to come.
I'd like to read 'The Great Divorce ' but I can't read C. S. Lewis now that I know what he said when Tolkien asked him why he chose not to become a Catholic.
I understand. I do think it’s more harmful to disqualify great Christian minds like Lewis, Dostoevsky, and Kierkegaard though. Thank you for watching and commenting!
Interesting, informative discussion. Thank You.👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
Quite insightful.
Glad you enjoyed it
@@spiritandspire Tremendously n my study of World History, particularly history of Christianity, Theology, Philosophy, Science, Arts etc led me back to Roman Catholism..I've realized over 24 years of research, introspection and experience that the Roman Catholic got more Orthodox teachings than Protestantism..
31:31 Note, while the "dunghill covered with snow" is certainly not a type of salvation, penal substitution may hold true on other levels.
For instance, being trapped in death and dead souls even of the just being trapped in Sheol, were punishments for all of mankind due to Adam's sin.
Christ shared that punishment for us, so we could share Resurrection and Heaven with Him.
38:14 Especially not Apollo ... check out the five cases of that name in Greek, gematrias _added up._
A Hebrew gematria is arguably always the status absolutus, because the construct is a truncated absolutus. But in Greek, a nominative is not a truncated genitive. Both are full forms. Same for dative, accusative and vocative.
It is the name of a demon if you add an Upsilon, both in Homer and Apoc. 9:11, and it is _also_ the name _of a man,_ if you check out the Renaissance opinion that Apollo, Aesculap, Panacee and Salus were a family of physicians, wrongly deified, but rightly honoured instead as pre-Christian saints. That's why the Hippocratic oath could be sworn by Christians - they did not consider it swearing by false gods, but instead by true saints of the true god. Whether they were right or wrong about their sanctity, this still makes Apollo the name of a man. More banale, it is the name of a man named in Acts or Epistles.
19:18 Wait - St. Thomas spoke of the "heart of God"?!
Before St. John Eudes and St. Margaret Mary Alacoque?!
What did CSL say about scholasticism fuelling his devotion and his heart singing unbidden? Makes sense.
Aquinas explains what the greater good is later on.
It's to love God freely. It's the difference between you and a rock or an angel.
Also he did not take away your sins, he died from them on the cross and keep suffering for each one of them.
So it's actually the greatest crime of history, since it's all the bad stuff together and it never stops. Every time you inflict pain on someone or yourself basically is a new wound. So you can freely stop the behavior, that's the greater good, to give you a chance of redemption before your final judgement. But yeah, in a sense he showed mercy because he could just have wiped out everybody instead, so he chose freely to love as well. It's the point, image of God all the way through.
Good stuff. Thanks for watching
The notion that society might hit rock bottom and then convert is timely. I’m thinking of the hermit of Loreto.
Great Comment. He’s the Pieta Prayer book guy too right?
Yep!
1:22:03 You just gave a clue as to "thousand generations" (how I _recalled_ Exodus 20:6) can be reconcile with a world soon ending after being begun c. 7000 years ago - not generations of parents and children, but of prayers for and prayed for.
We come from the tenth generation from Adam surviving the Flood, 4980 years since then divided by even 25 gives barely 200 generations.
Justice springing up from earth this reminds me of the critical point of despair in the Lord of the Rings. The Ride of the Rhoharim. Read Tolkien's description.
Great point!
@@spiritandspire ta. 'Reinvigorated, Théoden commanded his Riders into battle with a great cry: "More clear than any there had ever heard a mortal man achieve." '
It's always an apple.
Apples anything like we have today didn't exist until couple hundred years ago.
I'm thinking the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil looked more like an elaborate Faberge Egg.
I wouldn’t disagree
21:41 Oh yes. Job was certainly asking "when is Eliud going to _just_ shut up" and the first thing God says is to ask him "do you _know_ that guy?"'
When Job saw God shutting up Eliud, he knew God would fix the rest _as well._
Job probably got an answer in that single moment to exactly every question he had asked during the whole book.
_"if God had answered Job ... now I've got a couple of more question!"_
You are describing their dialogue in Heaven?
Of which the life of St. Thomas Aquinas was arguably a by-product, a response to another question by Job, like _"and when will people on earth know this before they die?"_
I checked. St. Thomas made two full length commentaries on OT books after becoming a Dominican (I attribute Postilla in libros Geneseos to his time in Roccasecca), those being Psalms _and_ Job.
1:02:38 I think even the high priest could only say it with drumrolls, inaudibly to bystanders.
Not sure exactly how it could then be communicated from one to the next, but still.
39:20 There are two opinions of the Socratic dialogues.
My Greek professor considered all (except possibly Apologia and final words) are _fictions_ by Plato, not much unlike Cicero's dialogues or Consolation of Philosophy.
I consider all or most (possible exception "He Polis" or "de Re Publica" / The State, and possibly also Laws) as documented dialogues - the disciples learning the words of the participants by heart, taking turns to note, and then reconstructing the whole once they were among themselves again - just as I believe the words of Our Lord were recorded by His disciples. With very short snippets of the words of the Pharisees, probably because they already knew Him and knew they would lose the argument if they went on. Either way, the Gospellers quoted Pharisees very arguably without them giving consent forms to use their words.
On my view, it is arguably because writing dialogues without participating in actual ones, is hard.
My dialogues on social media with opponents are good. Sometimes the prevalence of quote-answer-quote-answer within a single answer is boring, but one can even it out by rearranging until quotes are not needed to know what I am responding to. But my dialogues in fictions are _horrible._
Writing good fictional dialogue is a skill not all have, and obviously those who are good at philosophising may often have neglected it.
Plato, on my view, mostly didn't need to.
20:51 Most of the quote is actually St. Thomas quoting St. Augustine's Enchiridion, XI.
??? Perhaps the time reference is incorrect.
@@gjdsilva2003 It is really from 19:55 to 20:51. By 20:51, due to my double-checking the summa, and resuming the video, I had _forgotten_ that just before Kreeft started quoting, he _had_ said himself that St. Thomas was quoting St. Augustin.
So, the time reference is from when I stopped the video to write the comment, but the comment is _still_ somewhat absurd due to the fact that a) I was tired and b) I was stopping the video to double-check and search references so often that a little more than 30 seconds earlier on the video, Peter Kreeft had said the same thing I pointed out ...
"God converts people who hit the bottom"
Amen
1:25:12 What is the book called?
Ah, Peter Kreeft, Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Heaven: But Never Dreamed of Asking
Soon 33 years old, actually tomorrow in fact.
So, p. 133 "where is heaven" is not in the preview sample (page and title known from the index which is in it), would Peter Kreeft agree with:
* at the coordinates of earthly Jerusalem
* but 1 light day higher up.
Great question… good job finding the answer. I’m sure it was helpful to others.
I suppose you read the book, didn't you?
Including the pages starting on 133?
If so, you would know if Peter Kreeft agrees heaven is an actual place or not.
1:24 I am shocked.
Kreeft is either 86 or 85 going on 86.
You mentioned "father and grandfather" - _what_ about greatgrandfather?!
Good info
Dr. Kreeft couldn't be more on point; the idea of God is the most destructive; especially if that God is not your God.
The preface is that God is the most dangerous idea. The most destructive idea is the rejection of God. Thanks for watching!
@@spiritandspirenot what Dr. Kreeft said. He actually said that God is the most destructive idea (video timestamp 3:24) because it removes or "outweighs in the scale" all other ideas.
'It's God or nothing'
The cry of the reformers!
John of the Cross.
Also, a Cardinal Sarah book
48:08 I think you have just made a _good_ point for homosexuality not being inborn and therefore being curable.
45:10 _"each angel being a separate species"_
It is not condemned that this had to be so given what universe God was creating.
And that is more or less all that St. Thomas was saying.
However, it _is_ condemned that even God was obliged to do it like that.
_16 (81). Quod, quia intelligentie non habent materiam, deus non posset plures eiusdem speciei facere._
Bishop Tempier. Condemnations of early 1277 (or late 1276). Condemned proposition 81 in the Paris original, and in the English adopting of them, condemned proposition chapter VII, errores de intelligentia sive angelo, proposition 16.
Who said it was an apple? 🤔
I’m more of a pomegranate fan, myself.
It’s God or nothing. We got nothing. ❤
Amen!
8:07 Does that Jesuit enumerate Evolution (Big Picture, from Big Bang to Abiogenesis, and from One Celled Creatures to Man) among the gods of atheism? _He should._
9:38 I am shocked to see, after checking the preview, _he didn't!_
The atheist perverted god of the three first ways is matter and energy.
The atheist perverted god of the fourth and fifth way is evolution.
The failure of all _except_ the fit (never mind how it comes to be there) explains the ordering of the universe, including our biosphere, and the _most evolved creature_ (ourselves or dolphins which ever atheist you ask between Galton and Sanger and Generation Z and HHGG) is the most noble thing. To, obviously, them.
Note, "most evolved creature" involves a verbal plagiarism from Christianity. If they had invented the vocabulary, it would have been "evoluture"
Aristotle’s ethic has its limits.
True
Kreeft-“What is the most desperate mission field? Catholic universities.”
Also Kreeft and the rest of the Novus Ordo- we don’t need to reverse the Land o Lakes decision.
Ex corde ecclessia was a shift in the right direction. It’s a grace to be a missionary and evangelize even if we don’t like how we got here. Thanks for watching btw!
Erik
Yes.
21:21 Let's recall that Catholics, Jew or Gentile, are spiritual Jews. The carnal Jews who are not yet Catholics need to one day convert, when God sends Enoch and Elijah.
In the meantime, they need to have a living.
Let's recall that Jews in Hollywood mostly do a better thing now, and there are at least two Jewish linguists on youtube I immensely enjoy, than Jewish usurers or shrinks.
1:11:43 Ultimate dream of any snowflake - having a name which no one else knows.
Why is there unspeakable suffering in the world? God gave man free will for us to exercise our mortality. Since the garden of Eden we have misused our free will to make bad decisions along with good. Only humans DO evil. God is not human, he is in spirit what we only aspire to be. Thus the grave lessons of the Shoah and other attrosities are on our hands, not God's. Those who scapegoat God or anyone outside themselves for their own responsibilities as a human are not Catholic or speaking within the Christian faith. I would say it is the root of the heretical movement blaspheming God since after the second world war.
Great comment Matthew. Thank you for watching!
Lost me at the hollowcost
Technically if God keeps saving you through grace, who is going to find grqce to safe God?..You guys are sick haha
See our video on Bertrand Russell which talks about turtles all the way down!
The worst idea in history? Might be Christianity. Though Islam is a tough competitor.
I'd agree with you, but then we’d both be wrong. Thanks for watching!
@@spiritandspire
I disagree.
Be Calm and Rewind. On pause. The worst idea I would say is testing testing testing., 🫣 The Apple was with the God you left behind. 2 times. Generally those businessman aren't religious. It was a Bible readers job. 😳
You’re welcome… I’m sorry… idk thanks for watching!