This is some of my favorite advice Kenny has ever given. Just to add on to what he's saying, I think a lot of us also have a fear of straying too far away from the original idea that we love so much. Whether it's a lack of confidence in your ability to actually create a meaningful B-section, or a fear that whatever you add will make your song worse. Once we have a solid foundation down we tell egotistically ourselves we're at a "block," acting like we've reached our creative potential, when often times we need to just say fuck it and try new shit we've never done before.
This. I always think whatever the next thing I write won’t be as good as my first loop that caught my ear. But if that’s the thought process I’ve already lost! Most often when I take the plunge and start a new section I get something I like and can work out, but getting to that part isn’t always the easiest.
facts, goated comment. Ego is the biggest downfall that keeps you stuck because you're in your own way to expand your ideas. I definitely feel this 100 percent.
@@faresbassel try to find ghost chords to supplement your progression, for example at the end of a measure you can do some quick ghost chords to give it some color and feeling. or take your existing chords from your progression, and cut them up and re-arrange the order they come in. or just use 2 of the chords for a bridge.
I always do that by making one long pattern with whatever change so that I can change the bass/melody along with it, then just chop it up and loop the first part as the main section.
I personaly think "borring beats" are superior and Im sad that not many people agree. Here me out: When I make a beat, I allways invision what an artist could do on it. So I keep a lot of head space and let him room. A Beat dosent need a counter-melody, if the artist is singing one. If the artist is entertaining, the song is. The beat is just there to help him entertain.
I think what makes arrangement pretty difficult is how to transition smoothly to the next section. Drums fills, transition sfx, silence, etc. A recent song with really good transitions from section to section is haruno - d(evil) ft yama What makes d(evil) transition so good is the variety of transitions and how well it’s written to fit the other elements of the song. Drum fills are what I struggle the most with in the production phase.
For beginners, in terms of chords and writing a B section, I think people get caught up focusing on the middle of their loop, this in reality this is not that important. What is actually important is how the end of your loop transitions back into the start of the loop (ie. your first chord) that is what gives this resolving feeling to the listener. Say we have a four chord progression, what I see people doing a lot is that they use a chord that is best suited for transitioning back into the first chord as their second chord. So by the time they get to their fourth chord they struggle to find something that fits well, as they are thinking in their head "I've already used this chord, I should pick another to keep things interesting". I suggest figuring out your first chord then take a step back and figure out what chord transitions nicely into into that first chord, then fill in the blanks in the middle of your progression. Something to think about when picking this transitioning chord is that the further away this chord is from your first, the more jarring it will be for the listener. So if you want to make things really easy for yourself just pick the chord in your key that is directly above or below your first chord and use that as your transitioning chord, this will insure you have a smooth and non-jarring transition back into the start of your loop. OK so how do I write a "B Section" then, once I've written my "A Section"? It's easy, start with the same first chord as your A section, this will fool the listener into thinking that the same loop is going to repeat and provide some excitement when things are different this time, whilst still providing this resolving feeling. This time try picking the opposite transitioning chord as in your A section, for example if you picked the chord above your first chord, this time use the chord below as your transitioning chord. You can even just keep the transitioning chord the same and switch up the chord/chords in between your first and last chords or combine both methods. You can really do whatever you want just as long as you have that nice resolving feeling back into your first chord at the end of your progression. A "B section" like this is not always needed, for example if you have space in your mix for another element. This method is more aimed at if you are in a situation where adding another element is overcrowding your mix and making it too busy, which I think is a common problem for beginners.
The best songs there are do this, Shape Of You by Ed Sheeran is a good example. Its also about layering, you can have the same melodic information but with a different sound panned somewhere else and that can make a whole difference.
If you're using midi, try taking your chords or melody and putting them through a different instrument for your different sections (ie use a piano for chords in the verse and a synth for the chords in the chorus). Also making the bass dirtier/ cleaner in different sections of the song can help as well.
The hard part is to get your different sections to sound like they fit together and compliment each other. That’s why the ideas need to be similar but still different. Otherwise you run the risk of sounding like you have to separate songs in one song, as opposed to one cohesive song.
I find sometimes working from chords or adding chords to a melody/idea can really help write the next section. Find the notes which fit together with your track/melody and use them to either write a chord or a new melody. Your patterns/melodies don't always need to be busy.
Extremely great advice, I've always done "Combo meals" where I include multiple sections in one beat. As someone who does 3D rendering and graphics work, I love how he spoke about the intro to the beat being "introducing someone to this world" that the beat is from, so I love World-building in soundscapes. Thanks fliko!
Pitch the melody up or down, drop the drums a couple semitones, throw a LPF on the melody, switch the drums to half time, just a couple examples. Sometimes and I will make two simliar beats in the same key and then put them together (Drake beats do this all the time).
speaking facts bro, man I feel like im only good at making hooks, the longer I spend on a beat like you said arranging and changing stuff it loses the feel I had from the beggining when I made the beat.
sometimes a switch up can be forced though..... don't switch up just for the fact that you want to add a switch up! There are lots of examples of songs where the beats are the same the whole way through especially with classic timeless Hip-Hop and everybody loves them. So switch up when it makes sense and adds to the overall song to make it better not just because "music snobs" say you have to do it! 👍🏼😁✌🏼
Leon Michels (El Michels Affair) is a GENIUS. Do yourself a favor and listen to his stuff ASAP! There's a reason Kenny has cited him as his favorite producer.
It's literally the reason why I haven't tried selling a beat yet, because they're not finished because of that. But I would really like to be able to sell them and stop working for an hourly wage.
Rumour has it that one time Oloff was sat next to Jar Jar Binks on a flight. Jar Jar kept kicking the chair in front of him and generally being obnoxious, nobody knew what to do. Eventually one of the flight attendants came over and asked Oloff if he would perform one of his songs to calm Jar Jar down, and when Oloff began rapping the first verse to Doing It Stealthy, Jar Jar immediately relaxed. To this day the two are still close friends.
I'll never forget the first time I heard Doing It Stealthy by Oloff. I thought "wow, this is great, but it's nowhere near as great as some of his other great hits like I Don't Breathe, Beating the Heart, or his Send for Phil Vickery."
Definitely not the case for me. I think I have the most fun arranging a track. That’s the part where you get to mess with tension and release. That’s when you get to mess with people’s expectations and really make things interesting.
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RIP to all the beats that never became what we imagined in our heads
This is some of my favorite advice Kenny has ever given.
Just to add on to what he's saying, I think a lot of us also have a fear of straying too far away from the original idea that we love so much. Whether it's a lack of confidence in your ability to actually create a meaningful B-section, or a fear that whatever you add will make your song worse. Once we have a solid foundation down we tell egotistically ourselves we're at a "block," acting like we've reached our creative potential, when often times we need to just say fuck it and try new shit we've never done before.
This. I always think whatever the next thing I write won’t be as good as my first loop that caught my ear. But if that’s the thought process I’ve already lost! Most often when I take the plunge and start a new section I get something I like and can work out, but getting to that part isn’t always the easiest.
Yeah - everything Kenny says in this video makes perfect sense. Solid advice!
facts, goated comment. Ego is the biggest downfall that keeps you stuck because you're in your own way to expand your ideas. I definitely feel this 100 percent.
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Adding melodies has been my go to for different sections. But expanding chords always seems lowkey scary
@@faresbassel try to find ghost chords to supplement your progression, for example at the end of a measure you can do some quick ghost chords to give it some color and feeling. or take your existing chords from your progression, and cut them up and re-arrange the order they come in. or just use 2 of the chords for a bridge.
I always do that by making one long pattern with whatever change so that I can change the bass/melody along with it, then just chop it up and loop the first part as the main section.
@@WoozyYami uh thats smart too
@@tilda140 may I ask what ghost chords are?
use key snap on the piano roll or chord inversions
kenny giving out free gems as always. this dude has had such a huge influence on the scene man.. what a guy!!!
Ngl.. this is probably the best music production video I've seen in a while!
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This sermon jus hit different,
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Pop producers are absolute masters at this.
I personaly think "borring beats" are superior and Im sad that not many people agree. Here me out: When I make a beat, I allways invision what an artist could do on it. So I keep a lot of head space and let him room. A Beat dosent need a counter-melody, if the artist is singing one. If the artist is entertaining, the song is. The beat is just there to help him entertain.
I think what makes arrangement pretty difficult is how to transition smoothly to the next section. Drums fills, transition sfx, silence, etc.
A recent song with really good transitions from section to section is haruno - d(evil) ft yama
What makes d(evil) transition so good is the variety of transitions and how well it’s written to fit the other elements of the song. Drum fills are what I struggle the most with in the production phase.
Yeah drum fills can be a real bitch. I Recommend using sampled drum fills. Makes life 10 x easier
Damn, I really miss these streams
For beginners, in terms of chords and writing a B section, I think people get caught up focusing on the middle of their loop, this in reality this is not that important. What is actually important is how the end of your loop transitions back into the start of the loop (ie. your first chord) that is what gives this resolving feeling to the listener.
Say we have a four chord progression, what I see people doing a lot is that they use a chord that is best suited for transitioning back into the first chord as their second chord. So by the time they get to their fourth chord they struggle to find something that fits well, as they are thinking in their head "I've already used this chord, I should pick another to keep things interesting". I suggest figuring out your first chord then take a step back and figure out what chord transitions nicely into into that first chord, then fill in the blanks in the middle of your progression.
Something to think about when picking this transitioning chord is that the further away this chord is from your first, the more jarring it will be for the listener. So if you want to make things really easy for yourself just pick the chord in your key that is directly above or below your first chord and use that as your transitioning chord, this will insure you have a smooth and non-jarring transition back into the start of your loop.
OK so how do I write a "B Section" then, once I've written my "A Section"?
It's easy, start with the same first chord as your A section, this will fool the listener into thinking that the same loop is going to repeat and provide some excitement when things are different this time, whilst still providing this resolving feeling. This time try picking the opposite transitioning chord as in your A section, for example if you picked the chord above your first chord, this time use the chord below as your transitioning chord. You can even just keep the transitioning chord the same and switch up the chord/chords in between your first and last chords or combine both methods. You can really do whatever you want just as long as you have that nice resolving feeling back into your first chord at the end of your progression.
A "B section" like this is not always needed, for example if you have space in your mix for another element. This method is more aimed at if you are in a situation where adding another element is overcrowding your mix and making it too busy, which I think is a common problem for beginners.
this is good stuff thank you
@@imthomasflowers I hope it will help unlock some ideas for you
3:50 The great example is carti backrooms, the beat has 2 808 sections which would be overpowering if played through whole beat
The best songs there are do this, Shape Of You by Ed Sheeran is a good example. Its also about layering, you can have the same melodic information but with a different sound panned somewhere else and that can make a whole difference.
It’s called the the rule of 3 don’t let 2 loops go by without by changing something
If you're using midi, try taking your chords or melody and putting them through a different instrument for your different sections (ie use a piano for chords in the verse and a synth for the chords in the chorus). Also making the bass dirtier/ cleaner in different sections of the song can help as well.
this is actually dope advice thank you
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Great advice. Thank you 💯
kenny really gives out tons of information, all the time. incredible.
I got to start paying attention to Kenny Beats!
The hard part is to get your different sections to sound like they fit together and compliment each other. That’s why the ideas need to be similar but still different. Otherwise you run the risk of sounding like you have to separate songs in one song, as opposed to one cohesive song.
thats called beat switch lol
I find sometimes working from chords or adding chords to a melody/idea can really help write the next section. Find the notes which fit together with your track/melody and use them to either write a chord or a new melody. Your patterns/melodies don't always need to be busy.
watching these streams in honor of kennys bday today and i never realized how good he is at speaking. one of the goats fr
Extremely great advice, I've always done "Combo meals" where I include multiple sections in one beat. As someone who does 3D rendering and graphics work, I love how he spoke about the intro to the beat being "introducing someone to this world" that the beat is from, so I love World-building in soundscapes. Thanks fliko!
What a gem!
Dropping gems from the past
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Pitch the melody up or down, drop the drums a couple semitones, throw a LPF on the melody, switch the drums to half time, just a couple examples. Sometimes and I will make two simliar beats in the same key and then put them together (Drake beats do this all the time).
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So on point!, Thank you for constantly sharing your knowledge qith all of us!
speaking facts bro, man I feel like im only good at making hooks, the longer I spend on a beat like you said arranging and changing stuff it loses the feel I had from the beggining when I made the beat.
sometimes a switch up can be forced though..... don't switch up just for the fact that you want to add a switch up!
There are lots of examples of songs where the beats are the same the whole way through especially with classic timeless Hip-Hop and everybody loves them. So switch up when it makes sense and adds to the overall song to make it better not just because "music snobs" say you have to do it! 👍🏼😁✌🏼
sometimes it’s the artists job to add the variation
True words!
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thanks Kenny, you just leveled up my life!
Beautifully put
Leon Michels (El Michels Affair) is a GENIUS. Do yourself a favor and listen to his stuff ASAP! There's a reason Kenny has cited him as his favorite producer.
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So weird, I was literally just thinking last night how do i add more to my beat. Thank you!
It's literally the reason why I haven't tried selling a beat yet, because they're not finished because of that. But I would really like to be able to sell them and stop working for an hourly wage.
fck he's so awesome, great thinker
really needed this😖🤝
Aww man dr Kenny beats just cured my “loop-itus” @6:25 struggles real😅 thanks for dropping gems brother
Give this man a paid course💶📈
I needed this so bad that I feel like god suggested this video
Great content and detail in explaining everything. Very thorough and engaged. Definitely earnt my sub! Thanks for the video!
Really insightful
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Thank you kenny, thank you fliko🙏🏻
I tend to work on the B section first, then break that down to form the A section/intro.
Mad smart
Omg thank you, this is where I am at 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 video!
Good advice 👍
"don't have to be sicko mode everytime" 😂😂🤣
Such good advice
helped me a lot!
What I like to do is just hum on the beat and if it feels like something needs to change or be cut that’s where I mark and make some sort of change at
Rumour has it that one time Oloff was sat next to Jar Jar Binks on a flight. Jar Jar kept kicking the chair in front of him and generally being obnoxious, nobody knew what to do. Eventually one of the flight attendants came over and asked Oloff if he would perform one of his songs to calm Jar Jar down, and when Oloff began rapping the first verse to Doing It Stealthy, Jar Jar immediately relaxed. To this day the two are still close friends.
usually when i have to switch up my beat i jus half time it or pitch/slow it down
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Oloff's music helps me to process my feelings about 9/11.
thank you for that
I love arrangement talk it’s energizing ☺️
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I'll never forget the first time I heard Doing It Stealthy by Oloff. I thought "wow, this is great, but it's nowhere near as great as some of his other great hits like I Don't Breathe, Beating the Heart, or his Send for Phil Vickery."
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Pat Pattison calls it the dress. Only the bride wears the white dress. All the bridesmaids are stuck in green or purple.
Change the texture of the beat and it’ll keep feeling fresh even if the actual Melodies are mostly the same.
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I can never get my B sections to sound good with my A sections. They'll both sound good but I cant arrange them into the same song.
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any muscial geniuses out there who can lay down the chords and the switch up kenny played ?
phone numbers is a tremendous example of this.
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Did that Kenny and Leon song ever come out?
I'll try to make a cool progression out of these chords! 7:04
I'm just wonder if this c section will leave a scar
I’m going to have to remember the names of chords so I can figure how to make new chord progressions in new keys
Anyone know if that Leon and Kenny collab he talks about is out?
So... songwriting? How the turn tables.
Bro I have countless projects on my computer that are never finished cause of burnout.
sumtiem u jus gota put 2 beat in 1 beat 💯👍🏽🦍🍔
How many bars in 4/4 would be in a section a, b, and c?
Where did the beat battles go????
damn my mom had a c section
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Definitely not the case for me. I think I have the most fun arranging a track. That’s the part where you get to mess with tension and release. That’s when you get to mess with people’s expectations and really make things interesting.
Arrangements/songs are about tension & release
Every single beat I've made over 3 years is incomplete because I love it, then hate it, start again. Fml hahahahaha
Same, fam… same.
People often forget that the beat is only half of the equation
Kenny should stick to producing and leave Djing alone.