Ah, I remember watching this whole interview back in the day because I wanted to learn more about Javi and also practice my Spanish. The word "mentirijilla" really stood out to me and rubbed me the wrong way, but I didn't know very much about figure skating at the time so i thought not to judge. Now I realize that Javi was saying that Shoma's GOEs were too high for the quality of his jumps, specifically pointing to issues on Shoma's landings such as lack of speed and overrotation. Which is interesting because I think most people's complaints about Shoma's jumps focus on poor take-off technique rather than the landings which, sure, can be wild sometimes, but I wouldn't say merit negative GOE unless there is an obvious two-footed landing, step out, etc. I don't really get this because Shoma did receive negative GOEs on some of his jumps in his Pyeongchang Free Skate, and if I recall, most of the other jumps were fine??? I guess it's interesting to hear this because most fans who complain that Javi should have won Silver argue that Shoma's 4loop fall was actually underrotated, but wasn't called (I can't spot this UR for the life of me, and I've tried looking at .25 speed) and that's what made the difference. But Javi doesn't care about the fall and reasons that his mistake on his popped jump roughly evened things out. So really his complaint is about Shoma's GOEs which he believes should have been more in the negative. Anyway, I don't really get that argument, at least the underrotation argument makes sense. But apparently this topic was brought up again during Shoma's Short Program in the Team Event this Olympics in which Javi's co-commentator said that she believed Javi should have won Silver back in Pyeongchang and Javi basically said "I won't say anything about this" in tacit agreement. Javi also remarked that while Shoma has great bodily expressiveness and technique (?), his facial expressions were lacking as compared to his countryman Yuzuru Hanyu. Again, I just largely disagree with this assessment of Shoma and his strengths and weaknesses as a skater. Certainly he has weaknesses, but I don't agree with Javi about where those weaknesses are, lol.
Omg! I forgot about Javier saying that Shoma lacks facial expression! About that, I completely disagree. Shoma also had a very expressive face that looks nothing like his overall normal non-figure skating face. Sure, it is mostly a serious expression but I remember that in "Dancing on my own", he threw in a smile during part of the program. And I agree that Shoma has weaknesses but I don't think facial expressions, presentation, nor most of his jumps are part of them. And I think that non-Spanish speakers may not realize exactly what "mentrijilla" sounds like, but it certaintly isn't good. But they are allowed to form their own opinions but I hope this dies down soon. The only reason I posted this is because nobody believed me when I said it in the post haha.
@@Jenlikestoedit yes, I agree with you. Also, maybe off-topic but Shoma's smile during the step sequence of "Dancing on my own" is one of my favorite moments in that program. Actually, any time he smiles mid-program is precious to me because you can tell he's enjoying himself out there
@Lilith linares Yes, I know it means lie but others who don't speak Spanish don't know exactly what it means. Mentrijilla has a much different tone then just saying "mentira". To me, mentrijilla just doesn't sound right but it depends on how people perceive the tone
This is part of the video I was talking about. There's another interview very similar to this one where he phrases it even worse but this is the one I could find. I wish there was a longer version because they talk about Shoma a bit more before this clip. Now the title was not made by me, that's how the media presented it. Some people think his comments were okay, some think it should be phrased better, and some think he was unfair with Shoma. Please watch and form your own opinion.
Hi! Apparently he has said a lot of controversial things about many of his competitors. If you could, pls post the videos of those if you get a hold of them
Went on to watch this because i recently came upon his commentary during the 2022 Olympics, and i have to wonder, is he a tiny bit envious of Yuzuru and Shoma who's younger than him yet was able to get a higher place at the podium on their stint at the Olympics? I used to like Javi but not so much anymore.
Uhhhhh Idk what to think of this. Either he's full of pride or just too honest with his words. But really, he shouldn't talking about other skaters like that
I think Javier's words are fine. From this clip, he seems to be commenting more on how difficult/inconsistent the judging system can be (which I think we can all agree on at this point, haha) rather than on Shoma himself. In the end, he says that Shoma skated well, that he himself made mistakes, and that he is ultimately happy with his bronze medal. (So it's kind of funny that the other person chose to title the video this way!) While this is only a small portion of the interview that may have more context to it, I don't sense any animosity here; he's just being frank.
I think it was the actual media/interviewers who decided to name it like that...so that's why its a bit weird. There's other media broadcasters who posted this and used a similar title, which is weird because you would think they wanted to make Javier look good since he's from their country. That's why I'm thinking that maybe he said more that lead them to title it that way but I don't know for sure.
He does say he himself made mistakes, and that that "balances out" with Shoma's fall, but Javier also proceeds to say that Shoma's other jumps (which didn't "balance out" with Javier's own mistakes) should have been scored lower. In the subtitles, he even calls these scores "lies" (although I don't speak Spanish, so I'm not certain if that translation is 100% accurate). To me, it did sound like Javier thought Shoma didn't deserve silver, or that Shoma at least didn't deserve the score he got. I agree that the original interviewers gave the video a suspiciously clickbait-y (and close to inaccurate) title though...
@@Jenlikestoedit Yeah, I'm sure it was the media that titled it this way, haha! I feel like they wanted to pull viewers in for the drama, since the question the interviewer posited ("Did you deserve the silver medal?" along with mentioning Shoma-just why...) was really pointed, like he was trying to elicit a reaction. Saying he's "not in agreement" is kind of twisting his words. But that's just from this clip, of course. Whatever the case, the media pushes rivalry in figure skating-and all sports, really-way too much. It's unfortunate because it's a beautiful sport with great athletes who are wonderful to watch all on their own.
What a disappointment to hear him making such statements. If he would have been the best, he would have won! It is such a pity that instead of taking the high road and commenting in a professional way, he opted for snarky comments which only proves he is not assessing the skating with fairness and neutrality. Too bad!
It's true that Javi deserved silver in 2018 and not shoma. But what he said about Yuzuru recently was so disappointing. At first I thought ppl were exaggerating or misunderstanding what he said but literal Spanish speakers got mad at him and were demanding an apology cuz apparently he was implying that Yuzuru, who never blames anybody for anything but himself, lied and was using excuses when there were literal videos and pictures of the hole on the ice... and he also talked about personal stuff related to Yuzuru like what gifts he receives and how much they cost (😬 yikes) which is just crossing the line. Glad he apologized publicly and hope everything is good now.
actually I don't think it's an apology hahaha. however he seemed to change his words a little by adding "could be". and blah blah blah ahahah it's just that it's true that there is an apology at the end of the statement. which I think his sorry doesn't mean anything except hope ppl stop comment bad things on him. I'm very disappointed, and about this shoma I just found out, Yuzu and Shoma are really stabbed for the content of his comments. but i agree, i hope whatever its, Yuzu and Shoma will always good. but i think for me, no one can be good as before for Javi anymore. some condition can't recovery easily.
@@casties49 tbh i never really liked him that much and this was the last straw. His true face came out and that's it for me not gonna give this guy any attention lol
I realize that you mostly agree with Javier about Shoma's jumping mistakes being overlooked, but disagree with Javier about the comment about Shoma's facial expressions. The second is more important, which makes your comment funny. Thank you.
Well, we love you javie. Actually in 2018, during olympics I thought that javier had deserved silver because uno's opening quad loop was underrotated but the judges credited it as full rotated. And the Margin between them was so close. But as artisticly I can say anything because javier's skating skills terribly bad. So sloppy. And remember he choreograped a drunk man lots of time because he skates like a drunk, so sloppy. I wasnt enjoying when I was watching him. I was a fan of him because he is from spain, it is a warm mediterranean country. Figure skating is not in contention here. And silver or bronze not important. You are an olympic medalist. At result you did not win. And in olympics the judges are so generous to every skater, not only for shoma. Dont forget javier your pcs doesnt deserve more than 90 to me. You are mostly overscore too.
With all due respect, neither Javier nor Uno deserved to be on the podium either. Both had nasty and dirty skating, and Jin Boyang was supposed to win gold that day, but he was bias lowered by the second score, because his gold was not beneficial to anyone.
I heard that some Chinese government officials had paid some judges in figure skating to give extra points to Chinese skaters during 2018 though. I won't try to push this point since I don't have the evidence at the moment but I think it came up when I was researching scandals in Figure Skating. But I guess it can also come down to personal preference. For example, I don't like javiers skating but I really like Yuzurus and Shomas. I think my top three skaters would be Yuzuru, Shoma, and then Boyang. Boyang used to have these jumps that were absolutely amazing and it was good to see a bit of his old self back during the 2022 Olympics
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Ah, I remember watching this whole interview back in the day because I wanted to learn more about Javi and also practice my Spanish. The word "mentirijilla" really stood out to me and rubbed me the wrong way, but I didn't know very much about figure skating at the time so i thought not to judge. Now I realize that Javi was saying that Shoma's GOEs were too high for the quality of his jumps, specifically pointing to issues on Shoma's landings such as lack of speed and overrotation. Which is interesting because I think most people's complaints about Shoma's jumps focus on poor take-off technique rather than the landings which, sure, can be wild sometimes, but I wouldn't say merit negative GOE unless there is an obvious two-footed landing, step out, etc. I don't really get this because Shoma did receive negative GOEs on some of his jumps in his Pyeongchang Free Skate, and if I recall, most of the other jumps were fine??? I guess it's interesting to hear this because most fans who complain that Javi should have won Silver argue that Shoma's 4loop fall was actually underrotated, but wasn't called (I can't spot this UR for the life of me, and I've tried looking at .25 speed) and that's what made the difference. But Javi doesn't care about the fall and reasons that his mistake on his popped jump roughly evened things out. So really his complaint is about Shoma's GOEs which he believes should have been more in the negative. Anyway, I don't really get that argument, at least the underrotation argument makes sense.
But apparently this topic was brought up again during Shoma's Short Program in the Team Event this Olympics in which Javi's co-commentator said that she believed Javi should have won Silver back in Pyeongchang and Javi basically said "I won't say anything about this" in tacit agreement. Javi also remarked that while Shoma has great bodily expressiveness and technique (?), his facial expressions were lacking as compared to his countryman Yuzuru Hanyu. Again, I just largely disagree with this assessment of Shoma and his strengths and weaknesses as a skater. Certainly he has weaknesses, but I don't agree with Javi about where those weaknesses are, lol.
Omg! I forgot about Javier saying that Shoma lacks facial expression! About that, I completely disagree. Shoma also had a very expressive face that looks nothing like his overall normal non-figure skating face. Sure, it is mostly a serious expression but I remember that in "Dancing on my own", he threw in a smile during part of the program. And I agree that Shoma has weaknesses but I don't think facial expressions, presentation, nor most of his jumps are part of them. And I think that non-Spanish speakers may not realize exactly what "mentrijilla" sounds like, but it certaintly isn't good. But they are allowed to form their own opinions but I hope this dies down soon. The only reason I posted this is because nobody believed me when I said it in the post haha.
@@Jenlikestoedit yes, I agree with you. Also, maybe off-topic but Shoma's smile during the step sequence of "Dancing on my own" is one of my favorite moments in that program. Actually, any time he smiles mid-program is precious to me because you can tell he's enjoying himself out there
this comment explains so much, thank you😭
@Lilith linares Yes, I know it means lie but others who don't speak Spanish don't know exactly what it means. Mentrijilla has a much different tone then just saying "mentira". To me, mentrijilla just doesn't sound right but it depends on how people perceive the tone
Can you drop the link I'd like to see it
That reporter was fishing for a response and Javi gave it to him. A shame.
This is part of the video I was talking about. There's another interview very similar to this one where he phrases it even worse but this is the one I could find. I wish there was a longer version because they talk about Shoma a bit more before this clip. Now the title was not made by me, that's how the media presented it. Some people think his comments were okay, some think it should be phrased better, and some think he was unfair with Shoma. Please watch and form your own opinion.
Hi! Apparently he has said a lot of controversial things about many of his competitors. If you could, pls post the videos of those if you get a hold of them
Went on to watch this because i recently came upon his commentary during the 2022 Olympics, and i have to wonder, is he a tiny bit envious of Yuzuru and Shoma who's younger than him yet was able to get a higher place at the podium on their stint at the Olympics? I used to like Javi but not so much anymore.
Uhhhhh Idk what to think of this.
Either he's full of pride or just too
honest with his words.
But really, he shouldn't talking about
other skaters like that
I think Javier's words are fine. From this clip, he seems to be commenting more on how difficult/inconsistent the judging system can be (which I think we can all agree on at this point, haha) rather than on Shoma himself.
In the end, he says that Shoma skated well, that he himself made mistakes, and that he is ultimately happy with his bronze medal. (So it's kind of funny that the other person chose to title the video this way!) While this is only a small portion of the interview that may have more context to it, I don't sense any animosity here; he's just being frank.
I think it was the actual media/interviewers who decided to name it like that...so that's why its a bit weird. There's other media broadcasters who posted this and used a similar title, which is weird because you would think they wanted to make Javier look good since he's from their country. That's why I'm thinking that maybe he said more that lead them to title it that way but I don't know for sure.
He does say he himself made mistakes, and that that "balances out" with Shoma's fall, but Javier also proceeds to say that Shoma's other jumps (which didn't "balance out" with Javier's own mistakes) should have been scored lower. In the subtitles, he even calls these scores "lies" (although I don't speak Spanish, so I'm not certain if that translation is 100% accurate). To me, it did sound like Javier thought Shoma didn't deserve silver, or that Shoma at least didn't deserve the score he got.
I agree that the original interviewers gave the video a suspiciously clickbait-y (and close to inaccurate) title though...
@@Jenlikestoedit Yeah, I'm sure it was the media that titled it this way, haha! I feel like they wanted to pull viewers in for the drama, since the question the interviewer posited ("Did you deserve the silver medal?" along with mentioning Shoma-just why...) was really pointed, like he was trying to elicit a reaction. Saying he's "not in agreement" is kind of twisting his words. But that's just from this clip, of course.
Whatever the case, the media pushes rivalry in figure skating-and all sports, really-way too much. It's unfortunate because it's a beautiful sport with great athletes who are wonderful to watch all on their own.
What a disappointment to hear him making such statements. If he would have been the best, he would have won!
It is such a pity that instead of taking the high road and commenting in a professional way, he opted for snarky comments which only proves he is not assessing the skating with fairness and neutrality. Too bad!
It's true that Javi deserved silver in 2018 and not shoma. But what he said about Yuzuru recently was so disappointing. At first I thought ppl were exaggerating or misunderstanding what he said but literal Spanish speakers got mad at him and were demanding an apology cuz apparently he was implying that Yuzuru, who never blames anybody for anything but himself, lied and was using excuses when there were literal videos and pictures of the hole on the ice... and he also talked about personal stuff related to Yuzuru like what gifts he receives and how much they cost (😬 yikes) which is just crossing the line. Glad he apologized publicly and hope everything is good now.
actually I don't think it's an apology hahaha. however he seemed to change his words a little by adding "could be". and blah blah blah ahahah
it's just that it's true that there is an apology at the end of the statement. which I think his sorry doesn't mean anything except hope ppl stop comment bad things on him. I'm very disappointed, and about this shoma I just found out, Yuzu and Shoma are really stabbed for the content of his comments.
but i agree, i hope whatever its, Yuzu and Shoma will always good. but i think for me, no one can be good as before for Javi anymore. some condition can't recovery easily.
@RollingPooh u can find it on twitter
@@casties49 tbh i never really liked him that much and this was the last straw. His true face came out and that's it for me not gonna give this guy any attention lol
@@Amy-ef8rv and I was previously fooled by how friendly he was to Yuzuru. he just doesn't deserve to be looked at or supported. T_T
@@casties49 Right
It's another side of story. Changing of mind is normally. Calm down and ignore. Moving on cheering up who you love .
I realize that you mostly agree with Javier about Shoma's jumping mistakes being overlooked, but disagree with Javier about the comment about Shoma's facial expressions.
The second is more important, which makes your comment funny.
Thank you.
What a disappointment
Actually Jin Boyang deserve the bronze medal rather than him. But the bronze was awarded to him as charity case for he is about to retire.
Well, we love you javie. Actually in 2018, during olympics I thought that javier had deserved silver because uno's opening quad loop was underrotated but the judges credited it as full rotated. And the Margin between them was so close. But as artisticly I can say anything because javier's skating skills terribly bad. So sloppy. And remember he choreograped a drunk man lots of time because he skates like a drunk, so sloppy. I wasnt enjoying when I was watching him. I was a fan of him because he is from spain, it is a warm mediterranean country. Figure skating is not in contention here.
And silver or bronze not important. You are an olympic medalist. At result you did not win. And in olympics the judges are so generous to every skater, not only for shoma. Dont forget javier your pcs doesnt deserve more than 90 to me. You are mostly overscore too.
Look at Javier skate skills in Boston 2016 one of the Best programs in figure skate history
Yo creo que Javier no acepta qué shoma uno fue mejor
Everything is about Yuzuru Hanyu.. Javier is literally known because of his "TrAiNiNg MaTe" Yuzuru Hanyu. He better know his place.
He's talking about Shoma here
@@keigotakami1741 Javier was talking about the hole and shoma's score
Javier Is know because Is the world Champion of 2015 AND 2016.
@@inaki9381 Many spanish people watch fs years ago
With all due respect, neither Javier nor Uno deserved to be on the podium either.
Both had nasty and dirty skating, and Jin Boyang was supposed to win gold that day, but he was bias lowered by the second score, because his gold was not beneficial to anyone.
I heard that some Chinese government officials had paid some judges in figure skating to give extra points to Chinese skaters during 2018 though. I won't try to push this point since I don't have the evidence at the moment but I think it came up when I was researching scandals in Figure Skating. But I guess it can also come down to personal preference. For example, I don't like javiers skating but I really like Yuzurus and Shomas. I think my top three skaters would be Yuzuru, Shoma, and then Boyang. Boyang used to have these jumps that were absolutely amazing and it was good to see a bit of his old self back during the 2022 Olympics
This has to be a joke 😂😂
You must be joking 😭
Ummm what