Which Sanderson villain would be the best US President?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ย. 2024
- SPOILERS: Do not watch if you have not finished Elantris, Mistborn (book 1), or Way of Kings.
Brandon Sanderson decides which of the villains he has written would make the best president of the United States.
Original Video: • #6 - Brandon Sanderson...
"Do not let Taravangian anywhere near the Presidency."
LMAO
It's funny, I immediately said Taravangian when I saw the title, but mainly because I really just want to know what he would do. I think it would be interesting as hell.
@@kellyriddell5014Eugenics. He would make an art out of Eugenics and use the remaining insufficient humans for his immoral, blood-curdling experiments all while pretending to be a kindly old man who is clueless about the world yet tries to help the poor and sickly.
Hearing Sanderson say this about Taravangian scares me for book 5.
To be fair, Taravangian made a deal to protect a small amount of people at the expense of the rest of humanity... So he's already a pretty bad candidate for president with that alone
@@Jdban Yeah, come to think of it, even with just the stuff from Way of Kings, where we found out he was experimenting on people, is a clear sign. Taravangian is willing to do really messed up stuff if he thinks he's justified
@@Jdban weirdly enough rasyhk took the opposite path he saw that he had almost no hope and he tried his hardest to preserve humanity and protect them from ruin even if he’s a monstrous apathetic dictator who would kill and enslave the world
Rhythm of War spoilers...
He did become the literal god of hatred in the last book. The only being I could imagine being a worse possible ruler would be Ati, the man we are informed was a kind and gentle man before he was warped by the shard of Ruin.
@@N1ghtb1ood
The lord ruler was a dick. Buuuuuuttttttt..... He was trying to save the world, and the people. He just sucked at it.
Nale, he’d follow every law perfectly with zero corruption
This is actually kind of brilliant. He'd spend his whole term rooting out corruption.
vote Nale, obey the law and enjoy watching the crem go to jail
@@stefanovitali2925 I'm a bit terrified about what that could mean for his foreign policy.
@@andrewtyrell4795 International treaties and humans right declaration should suffice. Hopefully. Works even better in Italy, we have a "no offensive war ever" stipulation in our Constitution and an overabundance of corruption...
@@stefanovitali2925 Fair enough.
I think Brandon is seeing a future taravangian when he calls him worse than the lord ruler. Taravangian will do anything for the prosperity of his people through brutal utilitarianism, meanwhile rashyk didnt even kind of care about his people. He created nearly a slave caste and oppressed them for an entire millennium. He purposely committed genocides and allowed for 'indecent' acts to be committed on the ska by their 'betters' without impunity. If taravangian is worse, well, i wonder what hes going to do in the second half.
Maybe though wouldn't what he does in the future be [ MASSIVE ROW SPOILERS!]
affected by the shards intent? I think there's been and there will be in the future many presidents arguibly worse than Taravangian, difference being they're not operating on world ending catastrophes. Taravangian really does seem to care about his people which is more than can be said about a lot of presidents. He's still despicable don't get me wrong, but The Lord Ruler is so much worse imo
Well, I think moreso the volatility of Taravangian as president. If he didn't have his inner circle keeping him in check he may on a smart day send the national guard to kill a bunch of special needs children because they are dragging the country down or something.
The problem with Taravangian is that he can do any atrocious act by convincing himself that he is doing the right thing. Lord Ruler, kinda gave up as he had limits and tried to prepare for the bad day altogether.
Taravangian sets out to assassinate the leaders of every other nation on Roshar to take them over, causing several civil wars with mass civilian casualties. He's killing hundreds of people in his 'hospitals' trying to get scraps of oracular knowledge, and keeps going once the prophecies stop on the offchance. When he sees someone else putting together a different plan to save the world he tries to kill them all rather than reconsider his course.
Yes he does public education, hospitals, and trade. But the thing is that's such a low bar for a ruler. Hrathen would too.
Taravangian systematically murdered people to collect death rattles.
I think Tarivangian would make a better presidential candidate, but Hrathen would actually do things in office.
Oh, Tarivangian would do things... That much is certain.
HE'D JUST MAKE EUGENICS MORE LEGAL THO
Yeah, Tarivangian would be great at campaigning by playing the old man who takes care of sick people, then once he's in office he'd turn around and use all those sick people for human experiments and eugenics programs.
Hrathen would be terrible at first, but based on his changed opinions over the course of the story I think he'd possibly become more moderate over time and even do a bunch of good things by the end of his term.
@@snapgab if he wouldn't literally give the presidency to his superiors before than
And then Ruin would win in a landslide vote because thanks america
This video would be 1000000x funnier if it just ended after the 0:14 mark 🤣 he just keeps rolling his chair right out of the building to avoid the question
Me reading the beginning of Way of Kings: You know Taravangian isn’t such a bad guy.
Me reading the end of the Rhythm of War: NO NO NO NO NO NO
I just love his nope out reaction initially
Rival: Everything this man does for show. I bet that suit of armor is just made of aluminum
Hrathen: *Punches rival with tungsten gauntlets* Nothing I do is just for show. Vote for me.
*Hrathen wins in a landslide*
My favourite scene in the Cosmere
Could you imagine a presidential candidate rockin' up to a debate in full plate? They'd get my vote.
To be fair, aluminum armor has real utility in the cosmere. Especially if you layer it on steel or something.
@@ianburns1167or if you’re MeLaan and you just decide to make your bones out of it.
Hearing Brandon cringe as he slowly moves out of frame is very funny
Feels so good now knowing who Hrathen is after just finishing the Elantris Audiobook. I got only the smaller stories left and i'll be admitted in the ardentia
Is Hrathen even a true "villain" I would say he was at worst, a misguided anti-villian and he certainly is willing to admit and atone for his mistakes. Frankly he'd do a better job than 90% of the career politicians in D.C. right now for that reason alone.
if Hrathen was in this world thereby basically making him a Catholic I would vote for him over basically every president save Washington and Lincoln
(psst, that's what makes him the correct answer)
Me: "mmm, probably Taravangian"
Sanderson: "Dont let Taravangian anywhere near the presidency"
Oh no, im a monster ahahaha
Same, oh god. Taravangian would start a nuclear war on philosophical grounds
@@DeficiencyProduction Taravangian os Ghandi in Civilization ahahaha
I thought the same haha
I do wonder what Taravangian would do if he ruled a nation not under the threat of being taken over or completely annihilated like kharbranth is. We don’t exactly have to worry about evil gods using magical spirits that inhabit the bodies of people whenever they die.
@@petertraicer Honestly, it is a pretty apt parallel
Hrathen is kind of a cop out answer since he wasn't really a bad guy just on the wrong side, which he realizes towards the end and pulls a heel-face turn. But there really a better answer? They're all horrible...
He changed sides at the last minute, but he was still conspiring to bring bring brutal tyranny.
I think Amaram could be ok. He is someone who wants to be seen as noble, so I think he would try for improvement for the sake of his legacy.
@@masaheimoi That's probably true, in the same sense that Hans from Frozen wouldn't have been an awful king. As long as everything was going smoothly you'd never know something was wrong... but once it did, shady CIA bullshit for DAYS.
@@ianburns1167 Doesn't every US government do CIA shit constantly even when shit is not hitting a fan? I think bigger problems with him are that he not the smartest politician and also a traditionalist, so I don't think his policies would be too meaningful.
@@masaheimoi They all do it to an extent, but not recently to the clownshoes extent of poisoning Castro's cigars nonsense we had in the past. That's what I'm picturing.
I'd be interested in learning what Vara Treledees' platform is.
Someone with absolutely no moral code, who can justify his behaviors because he doing them because of someone else's will, and who never takes responsibility for his actions, all while complaining about how stereotyped he is and then fulfilling those stereotypes.
Yeah sounds like he'd make a fairly average president.
@@bryanhathaway1004 this is also a perfect description of Communism
@@Skiddlescout it's more so a general reflection of corrupt political figures and governments. Capitalism and Communism don't really factor into it. There have been capitalist dictatorships and communist democracy's so I don't say corruption is inherent to one or the other.
Hrathen is the only right answer.
Heathen isn't even the real villain though
Only if you consider him a true "villain" I'd say he was only an anti-villian at his worst and an atoning hero at his best
I saw someone suggest Nale, and I whole heartedly agree with that. I president that follows the laws exactly and roots out corruption at every level?! Yes please.
@@carsonrush3352 The problem with that Carson is that if the "laws" are written by monsters, then a President who executes those laws unquestioningly will, by definition, be monstrous. The "Final Solution" was technically law in the Third Reich. I don't know any decent person who thinks that was a good idea.
Raboniel?
The true anti-war candidate! Vote no on endless wars!
She created a bioweapon and committed a genocide...
Wait that’s actually good
His face when he heard the question! 😂
we really didn’t appreciate what the Lord Ruler did for us. RIP you were a real one.
@Day The Lord Ruler is my homie. WWLRD? FROLR. Lord Ruler take the wheel.
he obviously knows something about taravangian that we don't
or maybe he is thinking that giving nuclear weapons to a man who's intelligence and compassion changes every day would be risky
Spoiler
He knows that taravangian is the vessel of odium. That plus ocassional immense intelligence is a dangerous combo.
Both sides make him an extremely bad ruler. The first is absolutely incompetent, the other one would start and probably win World War 3...
@@malteborgmanm2626 i know
I was thinking in first book teravangian , I also don't think Brandon was talking about current status lord ruler either
Even with him changing by the day, he basically never does anything rash, he thinks things through thoroughly when he can
@@kairi99roxas he has aides administer himself daily tests so he can’t make ruling decisions when he’s too unbalanced either way on the emotion/intelligence axis, and he then cheated on his own tests.
I'm on 3 books into Stormlight at this point, and find the idea that Taravangion would be worse than the Lord Ruler very ominous
You should
Both are fan of eugenics and genocide
The Lord Ruler at least will not give up 99% of the population to the God of hatred soooooo....
C'mon clearly blue fingers would be a great choice. Think of the efficiency!
Agreed blue fingers is the best choice
Nale with Blue Fingers as VP
Actual perfect executive branch
I don’t think bluefinger would probably not be that bad compared to some of the onther villains
The corrupt politicians from the emperor's soul are just normal real life politicians imo
Odium 2024
Why vote for the lesser evil?
Slides awkwardly off camera…
Hrathen being an acceptable answer among the vast sea of monsters.
I’m looking at you Dilaf.
honestly, Straff Venture is better than some of the politicians we currently have...
He'd fit right in but he would be more efficient
Amaram for sure. He would do what needed to be done for the good of his country. RIP, king. You will not be forgotten.
Everyone saying the comment on Taravangian is foreboding for the future.... Are we forgetting about all the mass murder, wars, and betrayal of entire nations he already did just to try and save his hometown lol
Hrathen for the win. The guy's super smart and a badass. Knows how to get things done.
miles hundred lives
I saw this very silly question and thought, "Shit, I don't know... Hrathen? Is being a villain most of the book enough, or does his redemption disqualify?"
Glad to know I made a good call.
First. Very scared about book 5 now
Second. The obvious best choice is Nale with Blue Fingers as VP. You've got an uncorruptible politician who would follow the law, and the ultimate administrator
"Don't let Taravangian anywhere near the presidency"
*Spoiler*
said the man that made him a god 😅
but for real, I'd vote for the lord ruler or taravanvian, so long that we get versions of them that hasn't been corrupted by gods for decades in one case and a millenia for another.
Triumvirate of Hrathen, Bluefingers, and Miles
Oh dear
I'd forgotten bluefingers!
Bluefingers would make a great President, provided he's only the President of his own people.
Cop-out! Hrathen isn't a villain!
He is our savior
Bluefingers for whenever the next elections are
As it isn't marked for spoilers, I won't mention names, but I would go with the villain of Warbreaker.
People saying, "Oh, what might Tarvangian do in the book 5 that is sooo evil." He would just be a bad choice because some days he is the smartest man ever, and other days as dumb as a fish. Some days he cares too much and cries at the littlest things, other days he doesn't give a fuck. The guy is just too unstable.
I honestly think Taravangian is too utilitarian even without his sickness. Taravangian's philosophy at its core is that humanity in general is more important than any amount of humans.
Oh goodness, Lord Ruler would be BETTER than Taravangian? Oh... Oh dear...
It's a fun question! And yeah that was my immediate answer too.
If we remove Ruin from Equation then Lord Ruler would be a decent pick.
Racist prick, but yeah he'd be okay if you were *his type.*
Taravangian on the other hand would go for the eugenics.
Sadeas obviously, think of all the jobs he created. The economy would be booming under him!
Can’t have high unemployment if you kill everyone unemployed through forced death labor.
I hate sadeas, but he would be a good president I suppose
... with slaves. It would be booming with slaves
The Lord Ruler
Laughed out loud just for the title :D
Biden is kinda like Taravangian… except he only has dumb days and really dumb days
ruin
because i want to see the world burn in flames
I don’t care that he’s not a villain, Hoid for President!
Wait is hrathen a villain? I thought he was a hero and that dilaf, his "odiv" was the true villain
Havarseth seems like the better answer. For one thing he actually has experience in administration and he's involved in way less mass murder and chaos than Hrathen.
I think if we discount Hrathen for not being enough of a villain, then people got it right with Amaram.
this video should just end after 15 seconds
Nail!!
The Lord Ruler is probably the best, imagine the consistently of someone who has ruled for 1000 years. Most empires fall after a few hundred
The Lord Ruler also intentionally repressed technological progress and was under the constant influence of Ruin.
Taravangian is the closest to a typical US politician. Making lots of assumptions about the state of things are and to be, then thinking what I am doing is fine because the situation is what it is we cannot change anything.
I'd vote for Moash over any other villain I think
A nihilistic psychopath for a ruler? I'll pass, thanks.
@@benjaminthibieroz4155 yeah but it's not would you like to live under them, it's would you rather them than the others. And it seems he would do the least bad to people
Hrathen is just Regan and I don't want that... uuugghhh give me the random asshole who died in the woods in Silence.
Or can we have the robot lady from Perfect State?
Praise the sun
You've made me laugh twice now. Once when I gave you the first like, and again at the time of this reply.
Odium is tweeting
Wax’s uncle, I forget his name
Vote for Mr. Suit?
is it just me, or is he wearing the fromsoft merch specifically to bait them into getting him to write for them? he's also just a fan so that could be it too. I'm just hoping it works, i'd love a fromsoft game with his writing in it, even if it wasnt in the cosmere (though you know he would be down for that)
does one even need a good reason to wear a Solaire shirt?
Miles Hundredlives?
I vote Thaidakar!
Why not Sadeas? Yeah, I know the guy is ruthless to Damnation and back and is a bit backstab-happy, but from what we know he always did put Alethkar's interests above all else. He was a bad option only because he was a Game of Thrones politician in a world where magic literally runs on being honorable.
He put Alethkar's best interests first only in the same way that the Sith put the galaxy's best interests first with their rule of two.
Maybe he truly believed that going 110% all-in on the insane competitive attitude of the Alethi, where you focus solely on your own selfish self interests at the cost of everything else, would ultimately result in a stronger Alethkar because it would result in the strongest people rising to the top.
But he's just wrong, it's a batshit crazy thing to believe, like an economist who proposes that we set all of our infrastructure on fire in order to create jobs for firefighters.
He put Alethkar's interests above all else because he was in charge of Alethkar. He wanted to support and enhance the status quo because it would give him power, he doesn't care about anything else, he admitted as such to himself when he said that he'd probably have gotten around to assassinating Ehlokar himself.
The state of his army speaks for him. He was the mastermind behind bridges runs, with a penchant for rapey rape. No
I don't know if he'd be a "good" president, but he'd sure fit right in with these snakes in Washington!
i thought only villains were eligible, not heros?
I feel like Taravangian would be an excellent ruler in a non-apocalpse scenario
Are we talking about Diagram Taravangian? The man willing to kill a bunch of kids because he dislikes the music they sing? Or the man willing to completely obliterate nations for the mere possibility of an interview with an evil God?.
His curse exchange his intelligence and empathy, but his desire to kill is natural to him, he even sees his empathy as a tool to manipulate people, not even once he steps out of his plans because of his empathy, that's the kind of man that he really is.
Sometimes I wonder how people read?
@@DarkChaos1986 I'm talking about the pretty smart dude that pre-Old Magic Taravangian was
@@fenris5932 My point being that even when we know so little about him, the old magic did not change who he is, it just gave him more options, and we know what path he choose to walk, may I remember to you that he refused to take Renarin's hand, because he do not want to face what kind of man can he become if he choose to be really kind.
Surely the lord ruler? I mean the guy literally sacrificed all his people to keep ruin from destroying the world
I would pick Edward Ladrian personally
Not gonna lie, Dilaf would be fun to have in office just for the sheer insanity.
Herathan actually cares about his people, he is just a religious zealot
Taravangian would be the best beside Hrathen of it weren't for the fact that the president gets the nuclear codes.
Lord Ruler of course
Sadeas would do fine
I was thinking bluefingers
They'd be better than any of the US's previous 46
I dont know about Taravangian..... He might be worse than all. The lord ruler is basically Trump anyway, and Taravangian being worse, yeah.
I think Amaram could bo ok president. He wants to be seen as a noble man, so he would probably make some improvement for the same of his legacy.
I immediately said hrathen!
Isn't Hrathen just an antagonist, not a villain?
Spoilers for Elantris, Stormlight:
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Isn't Dilaf the true villain of Elantris? I'd pick Taravangian over Dilaf. At least, pre-shard Taravangian.
Lord Ruler
Rayse the warmonger anyone?
I laughed way to long at the first 15 seconds of this clip
Most US Presidents are like Gavillar.
Someone inform Brandon he's pronouncing Hrathen wrong.
good answer
What is he talking about? Hrathen didn’t even end up being the villain of the story…
Leshwi…
Hrathen is a good choice
Wrong, it'd be Geralt of Isengard.
I don't really consider Hrathen a villain though.
hmmm hard choice.... Taravangian
Hrathan was a good boi
Bbrandon Sanderson seems like a funloveing intelligent person I don’t know who his wife is I’d love to meet them some day I wish maybe I’d like them in rl.
Moash
That's cheating because Hrathen is not the villain in Elantris
Toral Saddeus is the correct answer
Sadeas is my president 🫡
Taravangian is probably be the best
Taravangian
At least Moash would actually be an anti racist president