LoraWAN: Extremely long range, low power wireless communication
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ธ.ค. 2017
- Hardware by matchx.io/
Video by / marcoreps
LoRa ESP32 Module 433 MHz: bit.ly/2E25vf5
LoRa ESP32 Module 868 Mhz: bit.ly/2QkWuPo
In this video I am installing and testing out new products by matchx.io/ They are supposed to connect LoRa compatible IoT devices with an incredible range AND low power consumption.
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This is brilliant. Love the dry humor and the technical depth.
So basically, what you're saying is, essentially, this is superior to all Australian broadband?
Screw the NBN, never works.
Its been around for last 3 years
I feel like I can out do Australian broadband by using my 4G hotspot function.
@@theblackhundreds7124 You most likely can. My prior internet connection in a metro capital city was 7 down. I did not miss a zero. 7. I am now on NBN with 25 down. Metro, Capital city.
Carrier pigeon might be better, no joke
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Hi Marco. I have just discovered your videos - which are FASCINATING! The way you dismantle electronic devices and improve them is inspiring. Thank you for demystifying electronics for me!
That's actually really impressive, imagine the possibilities!
Angry LED!
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Angry LED today, Skynet tomorrow.
31 years as an EE, and I’ve never heard anyone use the term “Angry LED”. Starting on Monday, everyone in my office will be using it. :-)
Brought to you by the creators of Angry Birds XD lol
The technical detail upon which the dry humour was thrown in is absolutely brilliant!
Liked! Subbed! Smashed the notification bell!
2:30 Happy End toilet paper? Who said the Germans don't have a sense of humour ?
They also have a brand of toilet paper called "Touching"!
he is so funny haha ich komm nicht klar, so coole videos von nem deutschen in englisch! ueberragend :)
think he said he was Swedish
@@carpathian677 who?
@@holetoanotheruniverse4690 the host
Wow really impressed how the quality and humor in this video improved, and really liked the Swiss Accent part. Great work!
I love the inserted humour. Thanks for putting this together. It really has me excited about the technology.
I always look forward to your uploads. And your puppies are always a bonus :)
This is great for farming applications, or a weather station on a mountain or something. Really cool!
Greetings,
Jeff
And then a thunderstorm came and the angrie led flashed again
Yeah, i think it has lasted until Friederike :D
Noooooooooooooooooooooo!
Couldn’t help myself, I had to like and subscribe. This was interesting and entertaining at the same time. Great job.
Andreas has competition ! Your voice is just as nice to hear.
More on Lora please :)
I love your videos! I just like and comment before even watching, I know they're gonna be good. Keep up the good work!
The ESP32 module you linked in the description mentions the SX1278 chip, this is the 137-525MHz radio, not usable for 868MHz. Look for SX1276 for the 868MHz band.
"Extended walkies" - I laughed! Thanks for the fantastic video!
Amazing video Marco! :D
Great video ! Interesting ! A guy with a Swiss accent had already stimulated my curiosity, now this is even more challenging.
man your channel is a goldmine!
This is amazing. I love it... I've already got ideas for this that would blow you away.... I can't wait to find one and buy it fast!!!!!!!!
Are are using LoRaWAN for real-time asset management. Its a game changer!! MatchX is a solid Gateway,
Brilliant video! I love the humor as well :)
Thank you, that was a very nice video. Do you know when the MatchX Sensor would go on sale
Great test in rural area.
In the company where I work, we tested LoRaWAN (not over ESP32, just industrial modules electronically built by us) and we got covered 1.5 KM in a City area (City of Buenos Aires, south area with a few building with no more than 20 meters tall). We have installed the Antenna and the gateway Kerlink in the building's terrace with 25 meters tall.
I forgot: the frequency we used to transmit is 915-928 MHz for LoRaWAN over the US Band.
Yet we don't test it in a rural zone yet, but your video is a good reference to estimate a real distance for any prospect project.
Welp, never thaught I'd see my Hometown on YT
Amigo muito bom seu vídeo, pude observar que o sinal sofreu interferência quando atravessou as torres de transmissão de energia.
Great video! And greets from Celle :)
Would love something like this as a transmitter working with a 'common codebook'. Data transmitted might be tiny, but if known conditions are in place between sender and receiver then that's not a problem.
"One if by land, two if by sea", but scaled just a little.
Thank You. You explain its so well I can understand!
OMG BRO YOU ARE AWESOME!! THANKS FOR SHARING YOUR KINDNESS AND WISDOM --- I LOVE THIS!!! THANKS!!! I AM THINKING HELIUM BALLOON.....WEATHER BALLOON....OH BOY!!!!
This is one of the BEST videos on youtube. Thank you so much for making me laugh.
Amazing. I love your sense of humor ☺️🤣
Awesome demo.
So funny! Thank you for the information. I had no idea this existed.
Great video as always
Nice video, what type of range did you get for urban areas ?
Awesome video! Thanks for sharing!
3:25 absolutely :P and I had exactly that router as a kid! That said, my only connected computer was ethernet wire length away. I'm sure I would cry if I had to use G at ~2mbps again.
Next time, try steel electrical conduit. It's stronger and you can screw pieces together firmly (as long as europe works the same way as the US and you can get this feature) and you can also use guy wires (steel cable).
very impressive
+Marco Reps Should meet +GreatScott
and MickMake th-cam.com/video/gLteUR50_Qg/w-d-xo.html ;-D
Ilan Messing yos plz!
Using LoRaWAN! They both live about 20km from each other
GreatScott is pretty much Arduino trash.
@@DrPepe666G but it's still good trash.
excellent video.... thank you for sharing.
Thank you for the great video. I like your accent and the humor. Do you think that the device could make a connection from a concrete celler with tubes to the third floor? Thank you.
Interesting. I have been wondering about something like that being available pre made. I'll have to keep an eye on it. Very interesting. Do you think it would work with external antennas like omnidirectional/panel antennas? Lol may be possible to use a yagi on a rotator that would track the unit based off the GPS coordinates it provides! If one could make it accurate enough, they could maybe get away with a parabolic antenna. Maybe it would work better if the tracking was based off Elevation and Long/Lat. I guess it depends on how quickly/often you could send and receive the data in a usable form to keep up. If the aim was off, the signal would drop when using the distance you get with that kind of long range, narrow beam antenna. A nice little yagi may be better for the job overall. Then again, it does have two antenna ports, so why not both?....prob a few reasons 🫥
Simply amazing
Fantastic! Really amazing!
aluminium tube on the roof... what about lightning ? :)
Yeh, I'm already looking for old military masts on eBay, they are usually reinforced plastic
Hol dir mal lieber einen Glasfasermast beim nächsten Amateurfunkflohmarkt!
Ich habe es schon seit Jahren auf dem Schirm, dass sowas existiert, aber noch nie geschafft, hinzugehen :|
I highly advise against a non conductive mast. Make it conductive and highly grounded. Otherwise lightning will burn your cables like a fuse guaranteeing it's burned
WInd surfing masts might be a cheap option for testing
Another great video, thanks!
Pretty cool. I'm wondering what is the effect of data rates getting further from the gateway
According to the Wiki it have between 0.3 and 50kBit/s/channel. So... it seams like the answer to that would be yes.
It seams like it uses a Ultra narrow band CDMA.. I would guess the 1Mbit/s rating is for all the channels
matsv201 Narrow band, yes. CDMA, no. It's a chirped spread spectrum. Watch the 33C3 "Decoding the LoRa PHY" video.
One top rail of a chain link fence is surprisingly sturdy for 20 ft. I use one in KS winds for a 3x5 flagpole and the only support it at 7 ft.
Love your humor, and it makes my MBD brain remember what you talk about.😅👍
i havent enjoyed a tech video like this in a while ;)
Wooowww thanks for this MatchX what a MASSIVE range... I didn't even know was possible... I'm very impressed just woowww!!
Square tubing may be stronger but my best suggestion would be to tie the top of the tube to at least 3 or 4 points to the ground, that should stop the top from moving.
Cool dogs hahaha... IOT POWAAAAAHHHH
ElectricBike look who's here :)
has nothing to do with lora or iot. this is the nature of rf transmission implemented in low bandwidth applications/scenario. the laws of physics that outline what can and cant be done have not changed. use whatever you want for your needs. welcome to the 1970's sir.
range is very dependent on bandwidth
thats how they achieving this range :)
support cables in threes (or more) at midpoint(s) as well at the top would greatly increase the stability and could enable a greater height and/or smaller tubing.
ElectricBiknffffffj. V e
Omg I have been trying to tell people about this idea for years!! I want to buy one now..
2:32 "Happy End" toilet paper. Lol! Never seen that before.
3:48 5:18 Cool dogs. Are they West Highland Terriers? I'd be very interested in a long range dog tracker.
Thx for the video...we think on using LoRa as the last Master Communication -Node in our nRF24Mesh. we managed to "mesh" several esp8266 with rf24...LoRaWan can finally broadCast this into the cloud...mmh here i´m swimming still...you show this GateWay...nice..but then again i will need a wlan router (hotSpot) ..our setup is planned to get used in areas without wlan and stuff..so it seem..if no router (e.g) is available i will need a GSM module trans-mitter...mmh..my learning curve on this need a booster..will read more on this "edge"..
Nice video and nice product. 👍🤠
If that is a German humor, I'm pretty happy to have been learning German for some time now. And Kudos for the informativeness!
I am really impressed
2:34 Never seen "Happy End" toilet paper. Can you review it please? I might buy some in the near future.
There is no more toilet paper available in Germany. 😅
Control servo motors several miles away. This would be useful for radio controlled drones and aircraft to get long range. Although not enough bandwidth for FPV video.
Hi, great video but you never did an update for your dog or showed if adding mesh nodes or how to send commands to servos get simpler :)
please do an update and cover mixing lora devices and can they all use meshtastic
Very interesting experiment..
Nett, einer der besten TH-camr wohnt in meiner Region :D Grüße aus Wolfsburg.
danke, danke :) Grüße aus irgendeinem Kuhdorf.
Ütze ist ja auch echt mal ein lustiger Name. Aber OK, wahrscheinlich nicht der reale Ort...
In der Nähe von Uetze gibt es noch Krätze und Otze, das Kaff mit den meisten 'modifizierten' Ortsschildern überhaupt ... Da möchte man ja auch nicht wohnen ... :)
Marco Reps mach dir nix draus Marco. Hier in Sachsen wo ich wohne gibt es in der Nähe das schöne Örtchen „Oberhäslich“. Da will man auch nicht wohnen. Das mit dem Lora hatte ich beim Andreas auch schon gesehen. Ich denke sobald die Technologie so günstig und einfach zu programmieren ist wie ein esp8266 wird das wohl das Mittel der Wahl sein für jegliche Sensoren die auf Batterie oder Solar laufen. Mach weiter so. Ich mag deine Videos (und habe mir neulich sogar ein altes Keithley 199 zugelegt, aber noch nicht ausprobiert)
Grüße aus Meißen
Michael
Grüße aus Celle (das ist in der Nähe von Otze) 😉
This is so amazing, good device and good range, can you tell me if it's possible to use sensors from different manufacturers? or should it be from matchx?
Definitely sensors from different manufacturers! There are Arduino and ESP32 boards with LoRa and you can connect almost everything to them.
Marco Reps thank you for your quick response.
I'm working on IoT based localization using rssi, can you recommend me a gateway that would work with not much technical issues? Is the matchx a good smooth running gateway?
I only need a gateway that connects to hundreds of sensors that I can read the rssi and possibly temperature. I don't need to send any data back to the sensors.
I had no problems with the matchx gateway at all and it is actually a lot easier to set up other products so far. The company is relatively young and I got the impression, that they have few users so far, but there's no risk of ending up with useless hardware, because you reconfigure the gateway to send data to other servers.
I'm glad that when you were walking around in the dusk you didn't stub your toe on any wild capacitors.
Oh ich bin Funkamateur und ich habe NICHT über dein Antennensetup gelacht, ich weiss nur zu gut wie es ist wenn man was unbedingt probieren möchte, danke für das tolle Video, Grüße aus Baden-Baden
Very excellent information
2:35 It always makes me smile, seeing such a product being named „HappyEnd“ 😅
Feel some range testing and rssi testing with some uav/drones might be on the cards? Can see some very useful applications!
I already bought an old military fiber reinforced antenna mast, but no quadcopter yet :L
Marco Reps going to be very interesting! If the link can be bidirectional then things going to get very very interesting! I hope you can get a drone or maybe one of the suppliers could sponsor you one or loan you one? Idid some experimenting with wi max but never quite got results to my satisfaction. Perhaps I was expecting too much from it, like a cut price civilian version of the military link 16! I will follow your progress eagerly.
You can base64 encode straight from the terminal my friend. Nice vids!
I am trying to find something like this for a software engineering class project to create a requirements document for a low cost smart farming information system. Thank you for this video!
Your scattered in dry humor makes this video gold.
Hi, may I know what kind of GPS chipset / module used on video? Thank you.
< offtopic > Going to need you to make more videos. I've just binge watched all of yours. < /offtopic >
@Marco Reps
Great way to go into the woods where there's no range & get a wi-fi from home haha.
So how to get 20 km ( u got only 2 right? ).
Thanks for sharing,
Herzliche Grüße aus #Polska
He gave up and went home after 2, but hadn't reached his setup's limit at that point, yet.
@@RichardHoman9009 Thanks for the info. It would we a great thing to have tho as woods = no range here but Wi - fi yes sir!
This might be a useful system for nearby conflict avoidance in aviation. Planes within range of each other would appear on the same network, effectively providing impromptu proximity data, and the low bandwidth could be used to pass simple altitutde and GPS positioning data. Like a backup ADSB system.
My understanding is that Mode-S/ADS-B is MUCH higher power than LoRa is both able and allowed to be used at (by consumers), which allows for the same range as LoRa or more. I’ve gotten ADS-B contacts from around 100 miles away with my cheap SDR and its adjustable dipole antenna
Moin moin du macht tolle Videos und dein Englisch ist kultig..
Grüße aus Wolfsburg in Richtung Celle...
This looks very promising, but it cant fet faster, right? Arround 3-6 Mbit would be awsome
so how far does it go? I was hoping you to take the car to check :D
+Marco Reps what was the GPS module you/they used? Looked tiny.
Extended walkies!!
youre amazing man
Was machst du eigentlich beruflich?
Show. Eu utilizo em monitoramento de estações metereologicas.
It sure is Fricking Awesome!! :D
Lol "Happy End" is a hilarious name for toilet paper!
How can anyone worry about communicating when they have no way of wiping their arse?😂
I believe some company has set up a lorawan gateway here. Saves me some money
you even have sats using LoRa now.
the tinyGS projects uses ESP32s with LoRa chips and small antennas to receive signals from a few 100km in the sky
from HAM radio, if you want a quick/light mast just buy a cheap telescopic fibreglass fishing pole (get one a couple of metre longer than you want as you throw away the two thinnest sections as they are too thin/flexible). You can sometimes get them reduced as end of line in the German discount grocers.
Can LORA be used for controlling a wireless RC car?
Is it a reliable option for sending the control signals?
LOL LORA WAN! ANY DESI WOULD LOVE THIS!
Do you know if this tech will work in the USA and any other countries?
Very interesting.
Thanks for uploading!
Reminds by the looks about the Ubiquiti airMAX Rocket. And the PoE brick looks identical
totally new to me but how would hills and non level land effect it?
Why not use amateur radio type antennas which can "magnify" the rf output up to 10dB (100 x) over what looks like a dipole built in?
I am visiting Germany as a guest scientist in PTB; I was a long subscriber but suddenly came to this video. And you do live nearby 🤣 funny coincidence!!
Anyway, I have plans to build robotic inexpensive sailboats with weather data ( temperature of both seawater and air, windspeed, sunshine, etc) and want to transmit it through satellite. I am hoping to record it and upload it to the Lora satellite system but I need to do more research to finalize it for now.
Awesome! Which department?
Low cost naval DAQ drones sound exciting too, just better don't get this MatchX company involved, they seem to have gone rogue since the release of this video, with incomprehensible crypto stuff?
@@reps My background is in optoelectronics, and my PhD work is developing ultra-stable sub Hz bandwidth lasers. I came here to work with the optical atomic clock team (PTB, Braunschweig). They also operate many such lasers.
The sailboat project is our own, which I am doing with some other friends, and we hope to get some funding for a startup.
Thanks for the MatchX warning.
@@codejunkes4607 Wow, that has to be on the edge of what's possible with human technology! I'm currently tinkering with a Coherent Verdi that takes great pride in achieving
Would this be good for a diy home security system?
Yes, it seems reasonable for that application. Small, cheap sensors with long range and everlasting batteries ... I don't know about the security aspects of LoRaWAN yet, maybe it is easy to interfere or jam?
Those doing B&E likely aren't going to care much about "security" or jamming of arbitrary radio waves. =)
Well, it's not good for passing high-bandwidth traffic like video, but as a standalone intrusion alarm, it seems to be very well poised to be exactly that.
There is only enough bandwidth for intrusion sensor (on-off dry contact, such as door opening), there would not be enough bandwidth for security camera video feed.
There is no "Starter" package for sale. Only the gateway looks familiar on their site.