@@jadoc3767 The short answer is mostly. Fujiwara-Gumi (I'm talking 3/91 to 2/93, the era I've researched and focus on- their golden era) was a pro wrestling organization that used real grappling and striking techniques (although their strength by far was grappling). They would train brutally in the gym, and they would spar for real in the gym (at least grappling). The actual event matches were usually planned in advance concerning the winner and means of victory. Then the wrestlers would freestyle the match, basically sparring at 50%, until the match was to end. Some guys liked to wrestle stiffer, other guys liked to go easier. That said, the group had several real fights in 1991, and by 1992 a significant percentage of matches (but still a minority) were actual real fights. I've had the honor of interviewing many of the top Japanese and Americans (still with us today) who competed in that era. Some of the guys still do the kayfabe thing for various reasons, but some of the top guys like Fujiwara, Funaki, and Shamrock were very open with me about what went on. Shamrock, for example, had I think 19 matches there during that era, with two of them being real fights.
If anyone were able to make one of the most dangerous men of the era pass out, who wouldn't act like that? Also, This is Suzuki first and only win over Ken out 5 total matches.
@@TheRealKSmith In sanctioned MMA matches, Minoru Suzuki has faced and beaten Ken Shamrock twice, beating him both times, with one of them winning the King Of Pancrase title.
@@adamfitzgerald911 from what I searched before, I remember seeing they tied many times and Minoru only having the one win out there handful of matches listed.
@@yoitsvic1126 You're very welcome. Satoru Sayama (Tigermask), Akira Maeda, Masakatsu Funaki and Minoru Suzuki all trained under Karl Gotch and Yoshiaki Fujiwara. Sayama founded Shooto, Maeda Rings and Funaki and Suzuki Pancrase. All crazy pro-wrestlers who wanted to fight for real. But they still had some safety rules. When they saw the first UFC and realized nobody died, Sayama immediately organized the Vale Tudo Japan tournaments with Rickson Gracie in it, who beat everybody. Pride FC soon followed and Nobuhiko Takada, another pro-wrestler from the same crazy group, fought Rickson twice, trying to restore the honor of the puroresu tough guys. Tigermask and Takada may have been the most famous in terms of pro-wrestling but Suzuki and Funaki always were the best fighters out of the group. They both have real wins over guys how are MMA legends today.
@@shotakazehaya17 I hate to tell you, but PWFG stands for Pro Wrestling Fujiwara Gumi. Even Ken and Suzuki would admit those weren't real fights, that's why they went on and founded and fought in Pancrase. They wanted to have real fights.
@@shotakazehaya17 Well no, Suzuki himself founded Pancrase because he wanted to have real fights. Suzuki had enough of the worked pro-wrestling matches because they weren't real fights.
@@superboykevrolf3811 Haha I'm sure they let Shamrock win a few PWFG matches in cool fashion as well. And back then Shamrock didn't know he would become a famous MMA Legend and that one day the internet would be invented and people would see this all over the world.
@@superboykevrolf3811 I did see him get ko'd so many times for real as an old man, that it's kind of refreshing seeing him young and in such great shape. He "lost" a couple in his time with the WWF as well, I was just happy for him being there.
This was rigged for shamrock to lose. Clearly if you have any knowledge of grappling or martial arts he was just playing with him. This was political and Japan needed a symbol to show Japan can beat USA.
This was from Pro Wrestling Fujiwara Gumi, a "shoot style" promotion in Japan. Lots of "shoot style" promotions heavily influenced MMA and how it's presented, but many of them were predetermined. I believe this one was predetermined or a "work", since Fujiwara wasn't known for his love of legitimate matches. However, it wasn't "scripted", as it was very much improv wrestling.
@@MrJames-eb6rp You have a good eye. A lot of people think this was one of their real fights. Suzuki's punches and kicks are stiff af and basically real. Shamrock holds back/works much more.
I smell a work. Shamrock seemed to be underperforming in this match, he didn't seem like his usual dominant, technical self. He beat Rutten twice for Christ's sake. No way.
Love watching classic Shamrock matches, and the level of sportsmanship in the end showed so much respect. King of Pancrase was awesome!
This is not from Pancrase. It's Yoshiaki Fujiwara's PWFG.
This is one of their worked matches from Fujiwara-Gumi. Therefor the overdramatic antics at at the end. But they had two real fights in Pancrase.
@@benitofranklyn4237 This was also a real fight.
Wow! This IS CLASS!!! Sportsmanship and respect at the highest level! Kudos to both fighters!
This was one of their worked matches. Therefor the showmanship at the end. But they had two real fights in Pancrase as well.
@@benitofranklyn4237 This is a real fight as well.
That was a fucking PHENOMENAL match. I didn’t even know Suzuki and Shamrock had fought before today but Jesus Christ they put on a clinic
They had 5 matches in Fujiwara-Gumi and two matches later on in Pancrase. They were pretty much all fun.
@@billcol Fujiwara-Gumi was worked right?
@@jadoc3767 The short answer is mostly. Fujiwara-Gumi (I'm talking 3/91 to 2/93, the era I've researched and focus on- their golden era) was a pro wrestling organization that used real grappling and striking techniques (although their strength by far was grappling). They would train brutally in the gym, and they would spar for real in the gym (at least grappling). The actual event matches were usually planned in advance concerning the winner and means of victory. Then the wrestlers would freestyle the match, basically sparring at 50%, until the match was to end. Some guys liked to wrestle stiffer, other guys liked to go easier. That said, the group had several real fights in 1991, and by 1992 a significant percentage of matches (but still a minority) were actual real fights. I've had the honor of interviewing many of the top Japanese and Americans (still with us today) who competed in that era. Some of the guys still do the kayfabe thing for various reasons, but some of the top guys like Fujiwara, Funaki, and Shamrock were very open with me about what went on. Shamrock, for example, had I think 19 matches there during that era, with two of them being real fights.
@@jadoc3767no
@@jadoc3767yes
Interesting point is that these two had more matches together than anyone else during the Fujiwara-Gumi 1991-1992 run. They flowed very well.
They also had two real fights in Pancrase later on.
@@benitofranklyn4237 This was also a real fight.
Unbelievable! I believe he was the first Japanese fighter who defeated Shamrock and Ruten during these years.
Ruten beat him I thought
He fought Bas twice. Lost both times.
@@dankhelmet9973
船木誠勝が勝ったからイイんだよ
細けー事は
You know this was scripted outcomes right?🤦🏽♂️🤣
@DaFonz808 Yes, I watched the whole fight after that. I was wrong lol.
A young murder grandpa appears
This looks exactly like a choreograph match from WCW VS THE WORLD on the PlayStation
Thanks for echoing my thoughts -- thought it was a work as well.
This was a work, it's from PWFG. But they had two real fights in Pancrase as well.
@@benitofranklyn4237 This was also a real fight.
Ahhhh... The good ole days... When people cheered Skill.
#Shooto #Pancrase #RINGS #BringBackPFC
This was actually PWFG, a Japanese pro-wrestling organization. But they had two real fights in Pancrase.
@@benitofranklyn4237 This was also a real fight.
First time I seen Ken UNDER the age of 30!
one of the most handsome japanese guy ever
Wow Ken was huge here !!
Suzuki is a legend now and days 2024
Suzuki looks like young Kazuya Mishima from Tekken.
The Bloodline.
Seeing Suzuki jumping up and down after the match is very unusual lol.
If anyone were able to make one of the most dangerous men of the era pass out, who wouldn't act like that? Also, This is Suzuki first and only win over Ken out 5 total matches.
@@TheRealKSmith In sanctioned MMA matches, Minoru Suzuki has faced and beaten Ken Shamrock twice, beating him both times, with one of them winning the King Of Pancrase title.
@@adamfitzgerald911 from what I searched before, I remember seeing they tied many times and Minoru only having the one win out there handful of matches listed.
@@adamfitzgerald911 It was PWFG that I saw, during '91-'92. Out of 5 matches Shamrock won 2, tied 2, lost 1(4th)
@@TheRealKSmith
The PWFG are shoot styled wrestling and arent sanctioned mma matches, thus scripted.
It’s remarkably quiet in that arena.
Never knew these two fought. Gonna meet Suzuki in Philly this weekend for Slaughterhouse.
They had like 5 wrestling matches and two real fights. Funaki, Suzuki and Shamrock trained together and were part of the founding of Pancrase.
@@benitofranklyn4237 I appreciate you. Always love learning new things.
@@yoitsvic1126 You're very welcome. Satoru Sayama (Tigermask), Akira Maeda, Masakatsu Funaki and Minoru Suzuki all trained under Karl Gotch and Yoshiaki Fujiwara. Sayama founded Shooto, Maeda Rings and Funaki and Suzuki Pancrase. All crazy pro-wrestlers who wanted to fight for real. But they still had some safety rules. When they saw the first UFC and realized nobody died, Sayama immediately organized the Vale Tudo Japan tournaments with Rickson Gracie in it, who beat everybody. Pride FC soon followed and Nobuhiko Takada, another pro-wrestler from the same crazy group, fought Rickson twice, trying to restore the honor of the puroresu tough guys. Tigermask and Takada may have been the most famous in terms of pro-wrestling but Suzuki and Funaki always were the best fighters out of the group. They both have real wins over guys how are MMA legends today.
@@benitofranklyn4237 All of them were real fights.
It would be cool if somebody can translate the joke at 8:14
Please 🙏🏽
Sorry, I'm not good at English. He says to "Give a noogie with your elbows!"
@@docdocmanju thanks brother
@@docdocmanju Thank you
That's fucking funny
This match was fucking awesome
What a fight! Great sportsmanship
This was a worked match in PWFG, a Japanese pro-wrestling organization, therefor the overdramatic antics after the match.
@@benitofranklyn4237 What "overdramatic antics" ?
3:12 is probably the most amazing thing I have seen in a fight,
This was a worked match in PWFG, a Japanese pro-wrestling organization, but they had two real fights in Pancrase as well
@@benitofranklyn4237 All of these are real fights.
@@shotakazehaya17 I hate to tell you, but PWFG stands for Pro Wrestling Fujiwara Gumi. Even Ken and Suzuki would admit those weren't real fights, that's why they went on and founded and fought in Pancrase. They wanted to have real fights.
@@benitofranklyn4237 I hate to tell you, but Suzuki would tell you it's a real fight because it's a real fight.
@@shotakazehaya17 Well no, Suzuki himself founded Pancrase because he wanted to have real fights. Suzuki had enough of the worked pro-wrestling matches because they weren't real fights.
Suzuki a real comedian 😂😂😂 i feel bad for whoever remind him of his old self lol
当時は まだ
🎼 風になれ🎵 では なかったんだ‼️🤔
そして黒い タオルではなく
白いタオル だったんだね
Is this a work?
Yes this is pro wrestling fujiwara-gumi
Feels like a shoot style wrestling
Yes.
Is this the same Suzuki that wrestles in AEW?
@@mr.perksy 👍
Was this a work or a real fight
work
Had the makings of a work. He seemed to be underperforming and wasn't his usual dominant, technical self. He beat Rutten twice for Christ's sake.
This was in PWFG, so a work, but they had two real fights in Pancrase later on.
Both.
@@benitofranklyn4237 This was also a real fight.
Shamrock has put off submission hold if whenever this match came to end on his determination
OMG! Shamrock was totally out cold 😲. Totally done and defeated. 😢
It was a worked pro-wrestling match from PWFG, Shamrock didn't pass out for real.
@@benitofranklyn4237 but it's so humiliating, even when it's fake.
@@superboykevrolf3811 Haha I'm sure they let Shamrock win a few PWFG matches in cool fashion as well. And back then Shamrock didn't know he would become a famous MMA Legend and that one day the internet would be invented and people would see this all over the world.
@@benitofranklyn4237 yes, he's a legend now and so it's even more heartbreaking to see him defeated like this 🥵
@@superboykevrolf3811 I did see him get ko'd so many times for real as an old man, that it's kind of refreshing seeing him young and in such great shape. He "lost" a couple in his time with the WWF as well, I was just happy for him being there.
wtf ken shamrock fought minoru suzuki?
Several times
Wouldn't be the first time. They would really go at it.
Great sportmanship from Ken.
Well it was a pro-wrestling match, therefor the overdramatic antics after the match.
@@benitofranklyn4237 What "overdramatic antics" ?
NEW JAPAN PRO WRESTLING ‼️🔥💯
Actually this was PWFG.
Was built off the back of American wrestling and it really shows..and i love it
Não desmerecendo o Ken mas ele sempre perdeu mas pra arrogância dele doque pros aniversários
레슬러로도 멋있긴 하지만 역시 판크라스때 카리스마가 최고였지
This was rigged for shamrock to lose. Clearly if you have any knowledge of grappling or martial arts he was just playing with him. This was political and Japan needed a symbol to show Japan can beat USA.
Or maybe it’s a pro wrestling match lol
That's called a Work
Was this match scripted like WWE? Or was this a legit match?
It was a legit match
A legit match
A legit scripted match
This was from Pro Wrestling Fujiwara Gumi, a "shoot style" promotion in Japan. Lots of "shoot style" promotions heavily influenced MMA and how it's presented, but many of them were predetermined.
I believe this one was predetermined or a "work", since Fujiwara wasn't known for his love of legitimate matches. However, it wasn't "scripted", as it was very much improv wrestling.
@@sloppertj.globbert5194
This match is from Pancrase
児玉レフェリーだ
This looks fake
Well it was, it's a pro-wrestling match from PWFG, not one of their Pancrase fights.
@@benitofranklyn4237 It wasn't.
This looked rigged AF.
I mean it was so
It was a pro-wrestling match from PWFG, not one of their Pancrase matches.
@@benitofranklyn4237 Ah.
@@MrJames-eb6rp You have a good eye. A lot of people think this was one of their real fights. Suzuki's punches and kicks are stiff af and basically real. Shamrock holds back/works much more.
@@benitofranklyn4237Thanks, Yeah I've been watching pancrase/MMA fights for over a decade now.
I can’t tell if this is a real fight or not 😂 both these guys did MMA and wrestling
It’s definitely a work. It looks really good for being pro wrestling though
This is one of their worked fights in PWFG, but they had two real fights in Pancrase as well.
@@benitofranklyn4237 This was also a real fight.
I smell a work. Shamrock seemed to be underperforming in this match, he didn't seem like his usual dominant, technical self. He beat Rutten twice for Christ's sake. No way.
This one was a work. It's a pro-wrestling match from PWFG, not on of their Pancrase fights.
Fake!
This was such a work, shamrock would kill that dude and he wouldn't take the loss like that either
It was a work, it's from PWFG, a Japanese pro-wrestling organization. But Suzuki did beat Shamrock twice in real Pancrase fights.
What part is "fake" ?
@@shotakazehaya17 The part were they go over the finish in the back before the fight. You really got worked by a 30 year old pro-wrestling match.
@@benitofranklyn4237 How is that fake ? And you can't point to a single moment in the match that is fake.
@@shotakazehaya17 Yes of course I can. Suzuki isn't choking Shamrock for real and Shamrock acts like he's passing out, this is all acting.