A tragic love story of two products destined to be together but whose parents hate each other. If you are quiet you can hear the crossfire say "who's a dirty girl" as it enters the x9 from behind
Finally someone who actually did the nightly update before doing a full review 😁. I thought I was the only one until just this week some people finally got the smarts up to get the nightly builds...
I did start flossing my teeth because of you constantly reminding me. But I can be somewhat resentful when it comes to companies trying to bully retailers or suggesting an open source software was theirs.
It would be awesome if transmitters had a power socket next to the neckstrap attachment point that could power goggles. A cable would be built into the neckstrap and exit neckstrap at the back of your neck and plug in at the back of goggle head strap that also has the cable integrated in it. Plugged in at the back of your head means it won't tug on the cord even when you put goggles on top of head between flights. Ability to access and control music from your phones music library and play it through a Bluetooth speaker would also be super nice
I've heard the gimbals in the X9 Lite are the same as what is in the QX7 so the M7 hall sensor gimbals might work for those who want to upgrade (I haven't confirmed this myself yet).
Maybe I need to actually take the gimbal out to measure it, but it looks exactly the same as the one in the QX7. I've actually opened it up and looked at the back of the gimbal. It looks the same as the QX7 gimbal (also on the back)
@@AlbertKimTV from what I've heard the mounting platform is actually the same. It's the depth of the gimbal back that's different. Also, the x9 lite gimbals are slightly shorter travel than the M7 or M9. I assume there had to be a reason for that as well.....compressed depth I'm guessing.
@@Kabab I've actually tried to install the M7. Like you said, the bolt pattern matches and the depth doesn't match. The M7 is also too wide. The trim switches and internal RF board are in the way.
I like my QX7 and have dropped it at least six times. I don't like psuedo crossfire compatibility (~80%, so close so far) but the r9 works pretty well. I think I'm making the jumper t12 I picked up as a backup dedicated crossfire micro and skipping x9lite, and xlite pro, ACCESS, etc. Maybe OpenTx is the the real value and we're just seeing company after company fail because they just can't profit off it enough.
At 60$ they had the potental to push out flysky, jumper ect for new pilots, until the access and d8 d16 lockout i was excited to recommend to all new pilots I influence. Now i just cant really recommend it. I personally love the xlite, i wish it had a couple more or a 6way switch as im loving realpits. I may do the 5 pos pent mod. :) good video.
im new to fpv, I just bought a frsky x9 lite. what is so wrong with d8 d16 lockout and access? not sure what that even is. I plan on using it with my computer flying simulators until I decide to buy a racing drone.
One of my M7 gimbals was.dead after less than a year. Thankfully the reseller agreed it was normal and gave me two hall :) On the QX7 the stick movement is almost too.big. So this smaller radio is welcomed... But only if I can do D8 withy older receivers! Thanks.very much for the nice review. Thumb up!
Not sure what T antenna you have but my Frsky ones look much better quality. Also a dipole is a dipole is a dipole.... this antenna was invented in the 1800s. I was making flexible brake cable UHF 459Mhz dipoles covered in black heat shrink, coax feed and plastic end caps before the TBS ones came out.
I love my Nirvana from UFPV with the Crossfire micro. I removed the finger things and all switches on the bottom. Perfect for my weird thumbing throttle/yaw and pinching P/R. I don't see me switching to anything else unless the Tango 2 has a better feel. I hated the feel of my Ox7 but it was a good value. I'm never going back to Frsky. Crossfire all the way and Flysky as backup.
Bob, there is an option on "Radio Setup" page of the newer versions of OpenTx called "Power On Delay" which you can put on 0 seconds to somewhat mitigate holding of the power button (you still need to hold it to power-on, but much shorter).
Nice review of the new X9 (whateverthehell). Looks like a nice radio. Like you, I’ve got big hands and unlike you, I’m a thumber. But from what you say, it might be a good fit for me as well. When I first heard about it, the price was 60 bucks; now it’s 90 bucks. I was very interested when it was $60; at $90, I’m feeling a lot more tentative. Thanks for the bideo.
Those r9 antennas I believe are made that way by RMRC and have nothing to do with frsky when I order from other places they have the standard style antenna on the r9 products
KababFPV interesting I thought they were cutting the package open and swapping the antenna with a better one after the controversy with them being the wrong length for eu 😂
i am new to this you are saying that it's better however i would like to begin with woops but i would like to fly d8 not into the opening of a controller at this point which other controller would you recommend
Its all about the size of the gimbals for me, like you said the full throw gimbal on the x9 lite and smaller screen would be great! Might have to wait for v2
Thanks for the review and being honest/open even though you don’t like frsky. I’m probably gonna get this one, though I’m not a fan of them either... I’ll probably get a jumper next time (or whatever brand pops up), if/when they’ve matured and gotten some qa sorted out
You are right only Taranis and Spektrum have 60deg Gimbal all other are 45deg if you used to fly 60deg is very hard to switch spectrum 60deg taranis 60deg Graupner 50deg jumper 45deg jeti 45deg futaba 45deg mikado 45deg
2:16 Question; I have only recently gotten into fpv; purchasing the Tinyhawk 2 (emax) RTF bundle. Motor just went out today... so im ordering a controller, too bc the one that comes with it is poo. I noticed you said in the beginning that it does not bind with the profile that most (probably mine; I think you mentioned something about "D8")... Would you recommend for a VERY basic, new pilot like me; to not jump into the deep end; should I order the Q X7, or, should I order this X9....? ANY HELP IS MUCH APPRECIATED!
Honestly I would recommend you just buy the dji goggles and controller and only use dji. I know it's expensive and I know it's drastic but the user experience is SO MUCH better than I would recommend nothing less. It's worth every penny.
If they upgrade it somewhat, like metal fixing point for the strap, and maybe the option to adjust gimbal tension from the outside, like on the Xlite series. In it's current state, it might be popular enough to still sell well for 90 dollar, but from what I understand about the general quality feel, it seems 75 dollar would feel more appropriate.
I have a pile of controllers and don't like any of them really. The x lite is nice only because it's portable but crap other than that. QX7 is too wide... thought about the Nirvana but I KNEW those gimbals were cheap.. you are the ONLY one who finally said it LOL! I'm hoping to see jumper come out with a game style controller that is just better than FrSky...
I was especially pleased to hear your opinion on standard gimbals. After 6 years, they still work perfectly well. BRAVO, sir, it takes guts to say something like that. This is largely an area of 'toys for boys', and gear envy and spec-chasing reduce a great hobby to an infantile race to brag about stats. "Ooh, but Hall-effect gimbals are essential because they feel better and if you look at the response and recovery graphs, they -" Oh, just STFU and fly, child! It's the same with cameras. Never mind all the figures and modes and menu options - can you take great pictures? Yes. With your Taranis: do you still fly and love your hobby? Yes. That's all that matters, people. Never mind feeling ashamed that your gear lacks such-and-such a feature - just USE IT and stop feeling inadequate because someone else has got a bigger or faster or more expensive one.
So I have both the version with hall sensors and without. Been using them both the past few months. Now that they're a little more worn in, I can tell some minor difference in the hall sensor gimbals but it's so minor it's hard to care. If I were to buy one, I would go with the hall sensor version because it's only $20 more or something but it really doesn't matter in this application. The product life isn't long enough to matter.
I made my own compact TX with frsky module, full size gimbals and usb charging 2 years ago, and never wanted to use anything else since. I don't understand why all TXs are so heavy and overcomplicated.
Good to know it works for those with big hands... but as I started off on Spektrum and am still making do with it for now: if I invest money & time in a new system it's gonna be Crossfire. If the T16 only had an internal module so it could run DSMX + Crossfire without swapping modules that would have been perfect.
2 years later would you suggest the x9d se 2019 with crossfire? I could get it for a really good price and I don't like the tango 2 as it is too small for me
I made it myself with a clip that I had. I haven't found such a solid clip since and this is the only strap I use because of it. Thanks for reminding me. I'll work on getting a strap made
I'm having some RX lag and poor reception (especially when other pilots are flying) with my D16-bound whoop and FRSKY X9 Lite. Would switching to a Radiomaster and using D8 make it more stable?
I like it because it's small. Might be easier to pinch. I never used a strap but can only pinch with throttle yaw control . This was the first thing I noticed when I saw this small radio. Good vid. For the price I might buy it.
flysky fsi6x is the easiest to hack requires only 3 wires and a 3d printed mount for crossfire lite it's internals are also much better than the ones in the i6 i don't know, if the strong springs of the nirvana would fit the gimbals, the original ones are pretty light
So I noticed that banggood has a x9 lite pro listed on their site now. Would love to hear your thoughts on it. Doesn't look much different other than the hall gimbals. Not sure if that's enough for me to give it a try.
Sorry for 3 posts....but wire the crossfire to pull power off the radio board so you can get rid of the giant lipo. Yes I know it will drain the battery a little quicker but you comfort level will be better. Last post I swear.....floss.
I'm always running above 500mw so I always need and use the lipo. If you're below 500mw the internal battery will work fine. I didn't even bother wiring it in because there's no use for me. It's just one extra wire.
@@Kabab Yea I run a DX9 with XFIRE that I wired straight from the XFIRE board where I drilled a hole in the back plastic of the XFIRE and a hole in the back of the DX9 and wired it straight to the DX9 board which I power off the 4000mah 2s....So when you look at the back of my radio it looks like the XFIRE is just stuck there with no wires or anything showing. Check out my Instagram page where I have pics at smooth_ops_fpv and yes I pretty much run it at 100mw so power draw is minimal.
I got a x9 lite and I’m new to this i have no idea about crossfire but know is reliable out in the sky i want to be able to fly without fear of losing signal 🙌🏽thank you any new tips or mods out now ? And which crossfire you recommend
Did you get Telemetry working with Crossfire? I mean that was the biggest hassle with the inverter being to slow or something like that... (which made the Taranis the only FrSky Tx that would do full speed telemetry out of the box)
@@Kabab I guess in your case its kind of not needed... I like to get TLM for GPS stuff and having the LQ on the radio helps with not missing a low value... (vibration/tone)... same goes fro voltage btw... sure not needed... I still like the feedback from the Tx... and with the T12 and the Taranis it worked from the start... not sure how you couldn't get it working... IMO CRSF TLM is the biggest selling point for the T16... at lest for me! :)
@@JulianGoesPro I used to be like that and absolutely need my controller to give me low voltage warnings. But then I just got used to the osd and didn't care anymore. I go through so much stuff that if it doesn't work out the box I probably won't use it. In this rare instance, the controller was worth modding to work with crossfire
@@Kabab yeah, I guess if you aren't aiming for multiple km of distance you absolutely don't need it. I agree. I think its a good rule of thumb for me: "If it has GPS, I want TLM"
I don't like that Frsky puts out their Tx's without a charging system, and now a friend bought a qx7 that doesn't even have the battery tray, so when it arrives you have to order a battery b4 you can use it. At least last year you could use AA batteries. The gimbals in the 9 lite are G7 noble potentiometers, and too bad hall gimbals won't fit. I never thought I would install hall gimbals, but man they feel great. Like coming from a flysky to an x9d, they are like silk(or smooth,lol) Do you know how the frsky r9 long range works on the qx7, I don't want to do the upgrade to use crossfire.
Table of Contents: 01:21 - Crossfire on the X9 Lite 04:00 - What's needed for crossfire to work 09:18 - Value/cut corners? 11:58 - Comparison with other controllers X9 Lite w/ HALL SENSORS!!: bit.ly/2WI5Uw6 X9 Lite: bit.ly/2Xya1a5 Unfortunately the M7 or M9 do not fit. By popular demand, THEY WILL BE SUPPORTING D8 MODE!!! Just update the firmware in the future!!! WOOOohOOOOoooo X Lite Pro: bit.ly/2Z9xeQy Nirvana: bit.ly/2F1YvN5 Jumper T16: bit.ly/2DqLtYL The others in the video aren't worth getting One of the best traditional Whoops on the market: bit.ly/2K2D0A4 I have one coming for hardcore testing soon. TopSky's second iteration of their low end goggle: bit.ly/2WLaicQ I've got one on the way for testing. Note: I do not like FrSky as a company but I do like this particular product of theirs. There is no other option that is about this size and general shape with as much travel on the gimbals and support for crossfire. If there were, I would not even touch this controller. To get crossfire to work, you just need to update your X9 Lite to the nightly builds. There will be official releases in the future but for now the nightlys are all we have with the updated protocols. It's just three wires that need to be soldered and it's up to you if you want to include the 6v for power from the controllers batteries for low power crossfire usage. Wiring diagram: bit.ly/2WEiHQd The crossfire wire I cut and soldered: bit.ly/2WBeb4T Link to nightly companion builds: bit.ly/2WyKO2V After installing, setup your controller (the one big gear button). Choose X9 Lite and select the following options: nohelo, crossfire, multimodule, lua, luac. Then go over to the 'application settings' tab and select 'use nightly builds (unstable)' from the drop down. Hit save, download the latest firmware from the companion app and flash. Equipment I recommend: Micro Eagle - bit.ly/2Q7LfL7 Rush Tank Vtx - bit.ly/2HsrASs Fantastic solder- amzn.to/2P5QM2W TS100 iron - goo.gl/DqBipa goo.gl/svK6DD amzn.to/2OV5XMh WaFL’s Cap Cap bit.ly/2GUpXxO Xing 2306: goo.gl/TT9gnw, amzn.to/2VkZ8rt Flywoo 2306: goo.gl/xuLG6d Hold off on 220X motors for now. There is a bug in BLheli/BF that makes them act a little weird unfortunately. :-( Sub $200 5" build that's still good: Frame: goo.gl/EpXQhZ FC/4in1 Stack: goo.gl/HprVbj Motors: goo.gl/h5rofi Props: goo.gl/ZnzY2y Props: goo.gl/VMBiQh FPV Cam: goo.gl/FDJhYw Vtx: goo.gl/JNVDMn Batt pad material: bit.ly/2QGWhYb Starter goggles I recommend: goo.gl/GvJUkT Tips? PayPal: www.paypal.me/kababfpv Please use my referral code if you're gonna buy a Tesla. You get some free stuff when you do and I get better status with Tesla: ts.la/bob40889 Bitcoin: 1E4XZXoD4rS6MYWVWuenY7Kw2M1YgyNpoQ Nano: xrb_1188ek5bd7tb9kw67asnp9o65byuoaxbtpxuznx1ribf75x78awywmakj55f ETH: 0xD067F93811f2eC31CB1928901002dfdf9A492EF5 LTC: La2KWYAjp4VT2Lq2M76pbjzXWvRyjpfCtG
I bought two of x9 lite from a private party on craigs list. I come from spektrum dx9 and futaba 14sg. It took me took a day to learn open tx and companion. I am a pincher flying only helicopters. Been practicing on simulator. The gimbals are fine. Not butter smooth like spektrum or futaba. I like high stick tension. The only thing still not use to is the gimbal spacing is small. This is a narrow radio. I have added 5mm neoprene tape to the sides to make it wider but the kimbal spacing is still too narrow coming from full size radio. I might buy a Qx7. Stick travel can be changed by adjusting the height to a degree.
If you can wait a little longer, there's one coming that kinda puts the rest to shame. I'm not sure when it's coming but likely inside 6mo. Otherwise x9 lite is it imo
Question.... I am having a heck of a time trying to find frsky products with info on how to run lua script? I for one love telemetry and warnings otherwise it is a wast of a radio that has these options. I have since switched over from Graupner to FrSky... but now thinking of going to TBS just because it seems easier to run LUA script and to me.. it would eliminate this issue. Any thoughts?
I have never run a lua script because I don't care to figure any of that stuff out. The full crossfire unit doesn't require any scripts or anything. The baby crossfire requires something of that sort. Sorry I don't know enough in this department to help.
To be honest once you have configured betaflight OSD (or crossfire OSD) much of the frsky telemetry is redundant. Maybe ask Joshua Bardwell. The micro crossfire tx uses a lua script to configure the transmitter and to allow the transmitter to update receivers and more. To use it you just run the script and for the most part it just works.
@@zimzillakilla Yea I am getting that. Love using telemetry but looking to do it with the new stacks 20x20 and 16x16. I have found a build that uses TBS with the latest stack and will be making the switch vs having to try and update the R-xsr. We live in the desert and can't order batteries during the summer if I run them to low. 120F is not good for them and I much rather work on flying than trying to pay attention to battery warning lol. Also have a son who is 8yo and would help me keep track of his without having goggles on. Thank you sir for clearing it up for me. Love this community. Oh and it would be great as well for when fly our park flyer foamies.
Hey br can you help me out with a question? I was wondering if I use crossfire with my nirvana and have it plugged into the jr module bay can I still plug in a 3s lipo too???!! Don’t want to burn up my brand new nirvana.thanks for your feedback bro!
It's a Bluetooth link so close range for one. Easier to manage the connection. But that doesn't answer you're question and I have thought the same in the past as well.
Spectrum historically has had less than optimal range but it is a good controller. Just not common. I would highly recommend the x9 lite for anyone beginner or 'pro'
@@Kabab Thanks for the response and information. I had originally ordered the Jumper 16 but after 6 weeks did not receive so today a refund. I don't really understand how many received their radios and and all I could find back order and then refunds. I will look at your suggestion but will it bond with Spectrum receivers? I hate to bother you again but I would appreciate your help. I will now subscribe you thank you!
This is what you wrote and see none of those on there. what firmware are you using After installing, setup your controller (the one big gear button). Choose X9 Lite and select the following options: nohelo, crossfire, multimodule, lua, luac. Then go over to the 'application settings' tab and select 'use nightly builds (unstable)' from the drop down. Hit save, download the latest firmware from the companion app and flash.
@@Kabab On radio profile I pick X9lite under that you can click build options which has nothing that you posted , the next tab is App settings which I go to release channel and I click on Nightly builds unstable but still dont see any crsf nor I see multimodule. Maybe your using a old firmware and the new ones dont have it anymore
I dunno where that r9 T antenna is from but all 4 or 5 of mine(frsky brand w/blue ring) are different from that one and are far better than that flimsy one you;ve got, also the blue band isnt in the same spot. is that ipex 1 or ipex4 connector r9 antenna? i would theyd theyd have them be the same except the connector? hmmm
how would you rate this TX after making this review almost year ago? :) im looking for new TX to replace my flysky i6. Im flying helis, im pincher and i have relatively small hands. I really like my fs i6 but potentiometers became noisy and my models are drifting in random direction - i can setup deadzone. Do you have any problems with this TX after few months? thx
It's still my primary. There's lots to hate about it but it's a good size, good gimbals and reliable. That's good enough for me. Oh yes it also takes full-size crossfire with the easiest modding ever. That's very important. This radio is still as good as it gets to me
@@carsonpoland oh man it's absolutely hideous for one. The switches all over the place are appalling. Stupid Frsky have locked out binding to D8 and D16 so no whoops, the module bay is stupid and essentially useless, there's no internal charging......list goes on and on. It's just the best of the worst out there and it has the key ingredients that I need.
@@Kabab Hey Bob, I've had this radio for awhile and just now got an R9M Lite Pro and R9 MX receivers because they cost nothing on Horus. Extremely easy to setup and getting ridiculous range with 1 watt adaptive through loads of buildings at ground level where I live. R9 MX is nice too cause just need to solder inverted sport on a TX and was good to go. This is my first long range system since crossfire has been out of stock forever and didn't want to mod my transmitter, but I've had 0 issues with usability, flashing to flex, binding, and range so not really sure what to complain about. Wondering if you're going to try giving it a shot someday, the setup is super compact and would be nice to have your opinion.
Yeah I hate the t12. The gimbals are the smallest and loosest of any controller out there. The controller is also too small and your hands are too cramped together.
@@Kabab I'm happy with t12, but I just ordered x9 lite today, I was thinking in t16 but I don't like actual price, I hope it was a good decision. Thanks for your answer.
I used FrSky for now almost 8 years, I still have the original X9D not the Plus version the original, All my receivers are either V8, D8 or D16 and now suddenly frsky starts acting like an arrogant Bully. Sorry I am the Customer and you don't get to decide what all I fly with my transmitter. Moving on to Jumper now, already booked my T18
I see a lot of people liking the Nirvana so I thought I would share my experience with it. (Wall of text, consider yourself warned) I ended up returning my Nirvana. Like the firmware wasn't being updated regularly and it just wasn't finished. Mine literally came with no firmware loaded out of the box, not a great start. Then the JR bay didn't have the correct voltage to drive an xjt module and they (Flysky) expected you to solder a (IIRC) 0603 resistor to fix that. Like I can do it, but that isn't a reasonable thing to ask a consumer to do. Not to mention it an instruction from one obscure forum post Flysky authored and they didn't even answer any follow up questions. You're right though, fit and finish was better than any other "drone radio" I've used (high end stuff like graupner not included). I really loved how it felt as a thumber. But I couldn't just keep wrestling with the bad firmware though. This isn't even including the drama with UG FPV with the different firmware versions. That and there were quite a few hardware issues you see posted on the rc forums, they would eventually respond "it will be fixed in the next hardware revision", uhh well what about everyone else who bought your trash who's stuck with defective hardware? This was my experience around 04/19, they might have fixed all the issues by now but I wouldn't count on it. When I gave up firmware got an update maybe once every 4 weeks at best and it only fixed minor issues. Sorry this wall of text was a bit longer than what I was going for but as you can see I fell into a rant.
It's a fine radio it's just not my cup of tea. Gimbals way too loose and doesn't fit pinchers at all imo. The new x9 lite is the best feeling radio in the hands I've used. Sad that it came from frsky but whatever. I've got my big boy crossfire on it and I'm happy
@@Kabab Yeah, we really tend to forget this type of anticompetetive behavior is pretty common in the tech market in general, you just need to look for it. I would have put crossfire on it but that was my first transmitter and like most people new to this I wasn't ready to shell out for one yet. But I wanted to use the Frsky receivers and was quite disappointed with how the XJT didn't get enough voltage to work. I was just really upset with how that product was handled, seems like it was developed well to the 90% mark then rushed out the door for the last bit. I'll admit I miss the ergonomics of it though, the shorter gimbal travel was great for thumbers imo
AS it's OpenTx just add any build you want, same as with Nirvana, just flash what you want (free) ;], no need to solder anything, just add a plug (balance lead) to that R9 mini slot bay =)
Fantastic and honest review, Bob! 😊 Particularly, I have nothing against any company. I can disagree with their actions in some cases, but that's it. You know? My radio is a X9D and I have the R9 module. Maybe, some day, if I have enough money, I'm going to get the Crossfire as well. Absolutely no prejudice. 😊
I’m new to fpv and drones in general I want to buy my first piece to get the ball rolling I’m leaning really hard on the Jumper 16 what do you think is better frsky d7 lite please help
Sorry I update the list along the way with newer videos. I updated this one to this list: ▼ 5" Sub $200 build that's still good -Frame: goo.gl/EpXQhZ -FC/4in1 Stack: goo.gl/HprVbj -Motors: bit.ly/2Nqqr25 -Props: bit.ly/2TUQsIg -FPV Cam: goo.gl/FDJhYw -Vtx: bit.ly/2NnO2Au
@@valden I would honestly get the dji fpv and remote. It's so much simpler and the performance is pretty excellent. The control link isn't exactly crossfire or anything but it'll do 95% of anything I'll ever do. I know it's expensive but if you do fpv often, it's really well worth it
Instant like for no-brainer Crossfire mod in "hold my beer" style. I'm curious how fast this receiver will get Hall gimbals and multi-protocol external modules like IRX4 Plus. I believe that X9 Lite and QX7 share the same LCD screen panel. By the way I have nothing big against QX7. Yes, it would be a bit smaller, would have direct support of 18650 batteries and would have instant Crossfire JR module support without replacing switch transistor in QX7 to faster one. But otherwise my QX7's served me well so far.
This is a comparison video but I do show crossfire and explain basic steps of what to do for crossfire to work in the description and the video. The controller is the same overall as anything before it. The only difference is that physical shape, gimbals and the expansion mount platform.....which I show how I got crossfire to work great on.
Might say on the box but I'm not sure it matters. One just has one frequency locked out and the other doesn't. Either way no real difference to the user.
@@Kabab I also looking for new transmitter that feel more comfortable in my hand, I have used x9d but it feel too big for me as thumber. there are two choices between xlite and x9lite Which one do you prefer?
Oh man that's the one issue with the x9 lite. It won't do D8 binding unfortunately. And the d16 is accst so no whoop like things. I'm waiting for an aio module for it myself
@@Kabab yes - crossfire. in video on backside crossfire-tx glued adapter for insert to backside x9lite external module connector ( not jr module size, new, smaller jr). sorry for my English, is not my native language.. :)
Man, would love to see you try r9m lite pro - 1w UHF - it is so much smaller than your set up f Crossfire :)) would fit into your back pack much easier :D
I have it. It totally sucks. R9 is a waste of money and time. Regular 2.4 is almost the same as the dumb 1w and there are so many different versions you don't know what's what with all the firmware and what to order. The antenna bits are also trash quality. Wait for them to come out with another five versions. Maybe then they'll have figured it out.
@@Kabab hm, not sure what you mean there are old r9m lite - 250w I think + 2 RX. And than lately they released r9m lite Pro (measured output 950mw) + 2 RX modules mini-ota and Mm-ota - could you please tell me what TX RX you tried and it was bad?
@@bmwcoders2020 I have all three variations of the R9 and all three variations of the Rx's. None of them are compatible and I'm far too lazy to rip Rx's out of quads to solder onto servo leads to update then stick them back in. I have about eight quads with three R9 modules I need to plug and unplung into my controller to see which one is for which quad. The fragmented ecosystem will likely keep getting more fragmented and is just an enormous headache. It's fine if you're willing to put in the effort to get things to work but I really don't have time to mess with all that BS. Crossfire has been 99% solid from the very beginning. I may return to R9 later if they ever figure it out well. For now, it's a total waste of time for me and in my area, the range is garbage too. I'm in a very very bad area for radio waves.
@@Kabab I'm asking as that new system has no videos online, other than unboxing. If you have it, it would be awesome video that many people want to see: "FrSky r9m Lite Pro vs Crossfire @500mw/1w" :D
Another reviewer compared the dimensions and claims the x9lite gimbals = qx7 gimballs. which is great. however you say they are definitely different. i have some spare qx7 gimballs i can toss in the x9lite to compare. but this guy confirmed it: Tired Flyer FPV... x9lite + m7r gimbal is going to be brilliant imo.
Not the case. I can feel it in the stick movements with my own fingers. The x9 lite is slightly less travel. About 90-95% travel. Also, the M7 gimbals don't fit this radio
Maybe someone can help, going to purchase a crossfire tx lite.. Is there any point in spending the extra $60 for bluetooth capability. I don't see many people using the added features, Thanks!
Look around for a mod to fit the xfire lite in this controller. I'm sure many have done it already. The Bluetooth and wifi in the big crossfire module will be used with the upcoming module and other bits from what I hear. It's just taken a while. I also don't know how much use it will have.
@@Kabab The small crossfire module is the "Crossfire micro TX". The "Crossfire TX lite" is the new model, almost the same as the one you have - the "Crossfire TX" , but without Bluetooth.
The crossfire CRSF protocol can tunnel telemetry data over the link, and I believe you can then use the Bluetooth capability to transfer such data wirelessly to a phone or tablet running ground station software. E.g. MissionPlanner for AuduPilot. It means that you can have a full control and telemetry link with all the benefits of the CRSF long range - greater than 10Km. Traditional Pixhawk usage uses separate lower power radios and radio link (900mhz) for telemetry.. which is cumbersome and not compatible with a 900mhz control link of course. None of which is very relevant for racing quads :). But you didn't say what your usage was. Also as others mentioned, there's apparently rumors of a Bluetooth capable goggle module in the future. Of interest, the "Crossfire micro TX" DOES have the Bluetooth module inside, though not used by current firmware. I've found the micro TX to be very usable, especially now it does 250mw. Cheers.
@@Kabab The Bluetooth capable goggle module? Yep. I guess it could be used to have your goggles change freq. to follow your SA channel changes.. which would be useful. Each quad might have it's own (due to specific onboard camera) settings of brightness and contrast for your goggles.. auto configured via Bluetooth. Gotta keep the KISS principal in mind tho :). I mean there's a limit to how much complexity we want.
The qx7 is not something I'd recommend to anyone today. It has so many issues and dumb little quarks it's just not worth it. It's also so damn enormous it fits exactly nobody's hands
D8 is pretty much industry standard for whoops. Everyone needs a whoop in their life, so this is not a radio I would ever recommend to anyone. Especially not with Jumper having several models around that price point.
they've gained a bad name because they have been known not to support the community and just rip off other companies and copy their products whenever they feel like it. Previously, they had ripped off other companies, then started bitching about a company that ripped them off a little.... Anyway, the've come around a bit and these days legitimately compete in the market. Just China drama
Fair enough! I wasn't aware of all the drama hahaha thanks for the reply, and all the genius info you have. It really helps out eh. On that subject... do you still think the micro eagle is the best fpv cam? Just ordered that new apex frame and want to put the best of the best in it. Thanks
@@Kabab another source told me that the actual spring tensions are not adjustable (the original x lite also does not have adjustable spring tension). Are you sure kabab? just wanna make sure before i buy
Genius !!😂 soo savage 🔥 thinking its some drone pilot guy/engineer at frsky who Said Fuck it, i am gonna make this easy for me to hack crossfire on 😂👍🏻
FrSky have gone full irony by calling their new protocol ACCESS.
LOL!!! I didn't even realize that! :-D
they should have named it "LIMITED"
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I'd call it restricted ;-)
@@echaitea they would have probably went with "Unlimited" lol.
A tragic love story of two products destined to be together but whose parents hate each other. If you are quiet you can hear the crossfire say "who's a dirty girl" as it enters the x9 from behind
Finally someone who actually did the nightly update before doing a full review 😁.
I thought I was the only one until just this week some people finally got the smarts up to get the nightly builds...
I did start flossing my teeth because of you constantly reminding me. But I can be somewhat resentful when it comes to companies trying to bully retailers or suggesting an open source software was theirs.
It would be awesome if transmitters had a power socket next to the neckstrap attachment point that could power goggles. A cable would be built into the neckstrap and exit neckstrap at the back of your neck and plug in at the back of goggle head strap that also has the cable integrated in it. Plugged in at the back of your head means it won't tug on the cord even when you put goggles on top of head between flights. Ability to access and control music from your phones music library and play it through a Bluetooth speaker would also be super nice
Thats freaking genius
Thanks mate, you are the one finally make me convinced to buy the X9 Lite. Some great videos you have here. Keep it coming..
I've heard the gimbals in the X9 Lite are the same as what is in the QX7 so the M7 hall sensor gimbals might work for those who want to upgrade (I haven't confirmed this myself yet).
unfortunately the M7 or M9 do not fit.
Maybe I need to actually take the gimbal out to measure it, but it looks exactly the same as the one in the QX7. I've actually opened it up and looked at the back of the gimbal. It looks the same as the QX7 gimbal (also on the back)
@@AlbertKimTV from what I've heard the mounting platform is actually the same. It's the depth of the gimbal back that's different. Also, the x9 lite gimbals are slightly shorter travel than the M7 or M9. I assume there had to be a reason for that as well.....compressed depth I'm guessing.
@@Kabab I've actually tried to install the M7. Like you said, the bolt pattern matches and the depth doesn't match. The M7 is also too wide. The trim switches and internal RF board are in the way.
I like my QX7 and have dropped it at least six times. I don't like psuedo crossfire compatibility (~80%, so close so far) but the r9 works pretty well. I think I'm making the jumper t12 I picked up as a backup dedicated crossfire micro and skipping x9lite, and xlite pro, ACCESS, etc. Maybe OpenTx is the the real value and we're just seeing company after company fail because they just can't profit off it enough.
There is a wifi module in the jr box. Unless your crossfire is old. You need to buy the 12.00 jr module for future use with goggle module.
At 60$ they had the potental to push out flysky, jumper ect for new pilots, until the access and d8 d16 lockout i was excited to recommend to all new pilots I influence. Now i just cant really recommend it. I personally love the xlite, i wish it had a couple more or a 6way switch as im loving realpits. I may do the 5 pos pent mod. :) good video.
im new to fpv, I just bought a frsky x9 lite. what is so wrong with d8 d16 lockout and access? not sure what that even is. I plan on using it with my computer flying simulators until I decide to buy a racing drone.
@@REM44MAG i think x9 lite only support d16 and a lot of mico drones le tinywhoops have d8 protocol, qx7 for example or xlite support both I think
One of my M7 gimbals was.dead after less than a year. Thankfully the reseller agreed it was normal and gave me two hall :)
On the QX7 the stick movement is almost too.big. So this smaller radio is welcomed... But only if I can do D8 withy older receivers!
Thanks.very much for the nice review. Thumb up!
Actually I'm sure LIVYU FPV will create some work arounds for this radio to work with XFIRE 👍
Not sure what T antenna you have but my Frsky ones look much better quality. Also a dipole is a dipole is a dipole.... this antenna was invented in the 1800s. I was making flexible brake cable UHF 459Mhz dipoles covered in black heat shrink, coax feed and plastic end caps before the TBS ones came out.
Running Crossfire micro on Nirvana ufpv version. No issues 👍
Nice Nirvana
I love my Nirvana from UFPV with the Crossfire micro. I removed the finger things and all switches on the bottom. Perfect for my weird thumbing throttle/yaw and pinching P/R. I don't see me switching to anything else unless the Tango 2 has a better feel.
I hated the feel of my Ox7 but it was a good value. I'm never going back to Frsky. Crossfire all the way and Flysky as backup.
The gimbals are indeed quad ball bearing, try stp stick ends. I feel pinchers will love the feel.
I’m a pincher and I love the feel 😁👍
Bob, there is an option on "Radio Setup" page of the newer versions of OpenTx called "Power On Delay" which you can put on 0 seconds to somewhat mitigate holding of the power button (you still need to hold it to power-on, but much shorter).
I looked everywhere on all my controllers. No option like that 😟
@@Kabab
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You can see the version of my QX7 and that the option is there...
Nice review of the new X9 (whateverthehell). Looks like a nice radio. Like you, I’ve got big hands and unlike you, I’m a thumber. But from what you say, it might be a good fit for me as well. When I first heard about it, the price was 60 bucks; now it’s 90 bucks. I was very interested when it was $60; at $90, I’m feeling a lot more tentative. Thanks for the bideo.
Yeah ay $60-70 it's a good buy. At $90 it's kind of a toy that's a bit overpriced
Those r9 antennas I believe are made that way by RMRC and have nothing to do with frsky when I order from other places they have the standard style antenna on the r9 products
These are from banggood which get them directly from frsky
KababFPV interesting I thought they were cutting the package open and swapping the antenna with a better one after the controversy with them being the wrong length for eu 😂
@@MaxBeamer whatever they're doing it's pretty shitty feeling
i am new to this you are saying that it's better however i would like to begin with woops but i would like to fly d8 not into the opening of a controller at this point which other controller would you recommend
I'm working on that right now. Next week I'll have a video on it
Just get the XJT Lite module for $20 to do D8
@@jeffrsx2 which one is that? It has the new Frsky mount and works with the x9 lite?
@@Kabab www.getfpv.com/frsky-xjt-lite-2-4ghz-16ch-radio-transmitter-module.html
@@jeffrsx2 that's the one I have. I need to change the firmware on my controller and hope it works
Its all about the size of the gimbals for me, like you said the full throw gimbal on the x9 lite and smaller screen would be great! Might have to wait for v2
should be a $50 controller
it's Frsky. 49.99.
for me it was a sub 50 TX new
Thanks for the review and being honest/open even though you don’t like frsky. I’m probably gonna get this one, though I’m not a fan of them either... I’ll probably get a jumper next time (or whatever brand pops up), if/when they’ve matured and gotten some qa sorted out
You are right only Taranis and Spektrum have 60deg Gimbal all other are 45deg if you used to fly 60deg is very hard to switch
spectrum 60deg
taranis 60deg
Graupner 50deg
jumper 45deg
jeti 45deg
futaba 45deg
mikado 45deg
2:16
Question; I have only recently gotten into fpv; purchasing the Tinyhawk 2 (emax) RTF bundle. Motor just went out today... so im ordering a controller, too bc the one that comes with it is poo.
I noticed you said in the beginning that it does not bind with the profile that most (probably mine; I think you mentioned something about "D8")...
Would you recommend for a VERY basic, new pilot like me; to not jump into the deep end; should I order the Q X7, or, should I order this X9....?
ANY HELP IS MUCH APPRECIATED!
Honestly I would recommend you just buy the dji goggles and controller and only use dji. I know it's expensive and I know it's drastic but the user experience is SO MUCH better than I would recommend nothing less. It's worth every penny.
If they upgrade it somewhat, like metal fixing point for the strap, and maybe the option to adjust gimbal tension from the outside, like on the Xlite series. In it's current state, it might be popular enough to still sell well for 90 dollar, but from what I understand about the general quality feel, it seems 75 dollar would feel more appropriate.
Yep. I'd say $75 is max money they should ask for this
Excellent video! Thanks! I'm almost convinced I like the T16, but now I'm not sure.
Check out the x9 lite.
I have a pile of controllers and don't like any of them really. The x lite is nice only because it's portable but crap other than that. QX7 is too wide... thought about the Nirvana but I KNEW those gimbals were cheap.. you are the ONLY one who finally said it LOL! I'm hoping to see jumper come out with a game style controller that is just better than FrSky...
I was especially pleased to hear your opinion on standard gimbals. After 6 years, they still work perfectly well. BRAVO, sir, it takes guts to say something like that. This is largely an area of 'toys for boys', and gear envy and spec-chasing reduce a great hobby to an infantile race to brag about stats. "Ooh, but Hall-effect gimbals are essential because they feel better and if you look at the response and recovery graphs, they -" Oh, just STFU and fly, child!
It's the same with cameras. Never mind all the figures and modes and menu options - can you take great pictures? Yes. With your Taranis: do you still fly and love your hobby? Yes. That's all that matters, people. Never mind feeling ashamed that your gear lacks such-and-such a feature - just USE IT and stop feeling inadequate because someone else has got a bigger or faster or more expensive one.
So I have both the version with hall sensors and without. Been using them both the past few months. Now that they're a little more worn in, I can tell some minor difference in the hall sensor gimbals but it's so minor it's hard to care. If I were to buy one, I would go with the hall sensor version because it's only $20 more or something but it really doesn't matter in this application. The product life isn't long enough to matter.
Nice review. I still wait for a Jumper new, compact, multi protocol radio like the X-Lite.
I made my own compact TX with frsky module, full size gimbals and usb charging 2 years ago, and never wanted to use anything else since. I don't understand why all TXs are so heavy and overcomplicated.
Good to know it works for those with big hands... but as I started off on Spektrum and am still making do with it for now: if I invest money & time in a new system it's gonna be Crossfire. If the T16 only had an internal module so it could run DSMX + Crossfire without swapping modules that would have been perfect.
2 years later would you suggest the x9d se 2019 with crossfire? I could get it for a really good price and I don't like the tango 2 as it is too small for me
Bob, where did you get that neck strap? I would like to have one that has that style of metal swivel hook and also a bag clip for easy removal.
I made it myself with a clip that I had. I haven't found such a solid clip since and this is the only strap I use because of it. Thanks for reminding me. I'll work on getting a strap made
KababFPV it would be cool👍
I'm having some RX lag and poor reception (especially when other pilots are flying) with my D16-bound whoop and FRSKY X9 Lite. Would switching to a Radiomaster and using D8 make it more stable?
D8 is more stable but but not really by much.
I wish it had a standard JR Bay for my UHF module...I like the small form factor too..90 dollars is too much...Greedy frsky.
Its because the old JR bay did not meet their new 450 hertz hardware. And its such an outdated design tbh.
8:20 you can set the time for the button (all the way to zero)
I like it because it's small. Might be easier to pinch. I never used a strap but can only pinch with throttle yaw control . This was the first thing I noticed when I saw this small radio. Good vid. For the price I might buy it.
flysky fsi6x is the easiest to hack
requires only 3 wires and a 3d printed mount for crossfire lite
it's internals are also much better than the ones in the i6
i don't know, if the strong springs of the nirvana would fit the gimbals, the original ones are pretty light
Im sure they would fit, flysky radios are way underrated.
Been concidering the x9 lite as a pincher with smaller hands. Qx7 was very awkward and i like my x9d+ but i feel like this would be a better fit
The smaller size is simply fantastic
If you got an old DJT module you can run ppm and D8 recievers. I got Frsky X9D 2019 Plus, and I'm flying with all my old D8 recievers
So I noticed that banggood has a x9 lite pro listed on their site now. Would love to hear your thoughts on it. Doesn't look much different other than the hall gimbals. Not sure if that's enough for me to give it a try.
it's only the hall gimbals and it's the only one I'd recommend now
wish it came with a snazzy case like the xlte does
It comes with a cardboard box and some styrofoam 💁🏻♂️
Sorry for 3 posts....but wire the crossfire to pull power off the radio board so you can get rid of the giant lipo. Yes I know it will drain the battery a little quicker but you comfort level will be better. Last post I swear.....floss.
I'm always running above 500mw so I always need and use the lipo. If you're below 500mw the internal battery will work fine. I didn't even bother wiring it in because there's no use for me. It's just one extra wire.
@@Kabab Yea I run a DX9 with XFIRE that I wired straight from the XFIRE board where I drilled a hole in the back plastic of the XFIRE and a hole in the back of the DX9 and wired it straight to the DX9 board which I power off the 4000mah 2s....So when you look at the back of my radio it looks like the XFIRE is just stuck there with no wires or anything showing. Check out my Instagram page where I have pics at smooth_ops_fpv and yes I pretty much run it at 100mw so power draw is minimal.
I got a x9 lite and I’m new to this i have no idea about crossfire but know is reliable out in the sky i want to be able to fly without fear of losing signal 🙌🏽thank you any new tips or mods out now ? And which crossfire you recommend
I recommend the full size crossfire. It's overall a much more solid product than anything else in its class inclusion the baby crossfire
KababFPV 🙏🏽i appreciate your reply brotha
Dentist said I have a 5mm pocket. Now I floss every day. Should have listened...
Please tell all to floss
Love my QX7, for 100$ it has amazing value, exept if you plan on usin CRSF, I heard there was some latency crap issue with it...
KiKi-Cro
Just needs 5 min solder and 30min total
Did you get Telemetry working with Crossfire? I mean that was the biggest hassle with the inverter being to slow or something like that... (which made the Taranis the only FrSky Tx that would do full speed telemetry out of the box)
I've never had telemetry working on anything with crossfire. Is it really needed? I have it on the osd.
@@Kabab I guess in your case its kind of not needed... I like to get TLM for GPS stuff and having the LQ on the radio helps with not missing a low value... (vibration/tone)... same goes fro voltage btw... sure not needed... I still like the feedback from the Tx... and with the T12 and the Taranis it worked from the start... not sure how you couldn't get it working... IMO CRSF TLM is the biggest selling point for the T16... at lest for me! :)
@@JulianGoesPro I used to be like that and absolutely need my controller to give me low voltage warnings. But then I just got used to the osd and didn't care anymore. I go through so much stuff that if it doesn't work out the box I probably won't use it. In this rare instance, the controller was worth modding to work with crossfire
@@Kabab yeah, I guess if you aren't aiming for multiple km of distance you absolutely don't need it. I agree. I think its a good rule of thumb for me: "If it has GPS, I want TLM"
I don't like that Frsky puts out their Tx's without a charging system, and now a friend bought a qx7 that doesn't even have the battery tray, so when it arrives you have to order a battery b4 you can use it. At least last year you could use AA batteries. The gimbals in the 9 lite are G7 noble potentiometers, and too bad hall gimbals won't fit. I never thought I would install hall gimbals, but man they feel great. Like coming from a flysky to an x9d, they are like silk(or smooth,lol) Do you know how the frsky r9 long range works on the qx7, I don't want to do the upgrade to use crossfire.
Crap! I forgot to mention that. Damnit. Thanks.
Nirvana it's around 120€ with cupons(111€ was the minimal I ever see)
well im a bit late but where did you find it for 120euro? i see its 180$ everywhere
Table of Contents:
01:21 - Crossfire on the X9 Lite
04:00 - What's needed for crossfire to work
09:18 - Value/cut corners?
11:58 - Comparison with other controllers
X9 Lite w/ HALL SENSORS!!: bit.ly/2WI5Uw6
X9 Lite: bit.ly/2Xya1a5
Unfortunately the M7 or M9 do not fit.
By popular demand, THEY WILL BE SUPPORTING D8 MODE!!! Just update the firmware in the future!!! WOOOohOOOOoooo
X Lite Pro: bit.ly/2Z9xeQy
Nirvana: bit.ly/2F1YvN5
Jumper T16: bit.ly/2DqLtYL
The others in the video aren't worth getting
One of the best traditional Whoops on the market: bit.ly/2K2D0A4
I have one coming for hardcore testing soon.
TopSky's second iteration of their low end goggle: bit.ly/2WLaicQ
I've got one on the way for testing.
Note: I do not like FrSky as a company but I do like this particular product of theirs. There is no other option that is about this size and general shape with as much travel on the gimbals and support for crossfire. If there were, I would not even touch this controller.
To get crossfire to work, you just need to update your X9 Lite to the nightly builds. There will be official releases in the future but for now the nightlys are all we have with the updated protocols. It's just three wires that need to be soldered and it's up to you if you want to include the 6v for power from the controllers batteries for low power crossfire usage.
Wiring diagram: bit.ly/2WEiHQd
The crossfire wire I cut and soldered: bit.ly/2WBeb4T
Link to nightly companion builds: bit.ly/2WyKO2V
After installing, setup your controller (the one big gear button). Choose X9 Lite and select the following options: nohelo, crossfire, multimodule, lua, luac. Then go over to the 'application settings' tab and select 'use nightly builds (unstable)' from the drop down. Hit save, download the latest firmware from the companion app and flash.
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Rush Tank Vtx -
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Flywoo 2306: goo.gl/xuLG6d
Hold off on 220X motors for now. There is a bug in BLheli/BF that makes them act a little weird unfortunately. :-(
Sub $200 5" build that's still good:
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I bought two of x9 lite from a private party on craigs list. I come from spektrum dx9 and futaba 14sg. It took me took a day to learn open tx and companion. I am a pincher flying only helicopters. Been practicing on simulator. The gimbals are fine. Not butter smooth like spektrum or futaba. I like high stick tension. The only thing still not use to is the gimbal spacing is small. This is a narrow radio. I have added 5mm neoprene tape to the sides to make it wider but the kimbal spacing is still too narrow coming from full size radio. I might buy a Qx7. Stick travel can be changed by adjusting the height to a degree.
I'm really liking my Jumper T12.
T12+ with TBS micro FTW!
Great. But with the receiver xm + which radio has longer range, QX7 or taranis X9 lite?
X9 lite with an access receiver is supposed to do almost double the range.
Awesome video, thank you!
I am a beginner in fpv and asking myself which radio I should get. What is the difference to the QX7? Which one is better for the price?
If you can wait a little longer, there's one coming that kinda puts the rest to shame. I'm not sure when it's coming but likely inside 6mo. Otherwise x9 lite is it imo
@@Kabab okay thanks, but why the X9 lite? Because of the Access Protokoll?
Question.... I am having a heck of a time trying to find frsky products with info on how to run lua script? I for one love telemetry and warnings otherwise it is a wast of a radio that has these options. I have since switched over from Graupner to FrSky... but now thinking of going to TBS just because it seems easier to run LUA script and to me.. it would eliminate this issue. Any thoughts?
I have never run a lua script because I don't care to figure any of that stuff out. The full crossfire unit doesn't require any scripts or anything. The baby crossfire requires something of that sort. Sorry I don't know enough in this department to help.
@@Kabab Thank you sir. Love the content!
To be honest once you have configured betaflight OSD (or crossfire OSD) much of the frsky telemetry is redundant. Maybe ask Joshua Bardwell. The micro crossfire tx uses a lua script to configure the transmitter and to allow the transmitter to update receivers and more. To use it you just run the script and for the most part it just works.
Lua are built by the community you won't find info from frsky, the info will come from TH-cam or Google.
@@zimzillakilla Yea I am getting that. Love using telemetry but looking to do it with the new stacks 20x20 and 16x16. I have found a build that uses TBS with the latest stack and will be making the switch vs having to try and update the R-xsr. We live in the desert and can't order batteries during the summer if I run them to low. 120F is not good for them and I much rather work on flying than trying to pay attention to battery warning lol. Also have a son who is 8yo and would help me keep track of his without having goggles on. Thank you sir for clearing it up for me. Love this community. Oh and it would be great as well for when fly our park flyer foamies.
Hey br can you help me out with a question? I was wondering if I use crossfire with my nirvana and have it plugged into the jr module bay can I still plug in a 3s lipo too???!! Don’t want to burn up my brand new nirvana.thanks for your feedback bro!
That's a question I can't actually answer. Try asking on the nirvana fb page
One last thing, how do PlayStation controllers deal with the lag issue of being cordless? It seems unnoticeable?
It's a Bluetooth link so close range for one. Easier to manage the connection. But that doesn't answer you're question and I have thought the same in the past as well.
Great video. Thx from beginner, i have a simulator and I could probably hack it. Is there any way to replace hook with some kind of screw?
you could probably get a screw to work but there's nothing to just buy for it
On your crossfire module & battery set up ( btw looks great) can you do a post on DIY wire diagram parts list etc
It's very very easy to do. There's a wiring diagram linked in the video description. If you can solder and hold a screwdriver you can do it 100%
I am new to this hobby, I have not seen anyone speak about the Spectrum radio. Can you tell me if they OK? Good points / bad. Thank you sir.
Oh I haven't bought my 1st radio yet, thank you.
Spectrum historically has had less than optimal range but it is a good controller. Just not common. I would highly recommend the x9 lite for anyone beginner or 'pro'
@@Kabab Thanks for the response and information. I had originally ordered the Jumper 16 but after 6 weeks did not receive so today a refund. I don't really understand how many received their radios and and all I could find back order and then refunds. I will look at your suggestion but will it bond with Spectrum receivers? I hate to bother you again but I would appreciate your help. I will now subscribe you thank you!
Love the flysky.. Never go back to Frsky
This is what you wrote and see none of those on there. what firmware are you using
After installing, setup your controller (the one big gear button). Choose X9 Lite and select the following options: nohelo, crossfire, multimodule, lua, luac. Then go over to the 'application settings' tab and select 'use nightly builds (unstable)' from the drop down. Hit save, download the latest firmware from the companion app and flash.
There should be tabs. Click on them. You'll run into those options
@@Kabab On radio profile I pick X9lite under that you can click build options which has nothing that you posted , the next tab is App settings which I go to release channel and I click on Nightly builds unstable but still dont see any crsf nor I see multimodule. Maybe your using a old firmware and the new ones dont have it anymore
@@Kabab Maybe you should try it and see if its still the same or maybe make a video how you did it
@@Mikeylikesit1968 I gotta do another update on things so maybe.
I dunno where that r9 T antenna is from but all 4 or 5 of mine(frsky brand w/blue ring) are different from that one and are far better than that flimsy one you;ve got, also the blue band isnt in the same spot. is that ipex 1 or ipex4 connector r9 antenna? i would theyd theyd have them be the same except the connector? hmmm
Whatever it is, I ordered r9 and this is what I got.
how would you rate this TX after making this review almost year ago? :) im looking for new TX to replace my flysky i6. Im flying helis, im pincher and i have relatively small hands. I really like my fs i6 but potentiometers became noisy and my models are drifting in random direction - i can setup deadzone. Do you have any problems with this TX after few months? thx
It's still my primary. There's lots to hate about it but it's a good size, good gimbals and reliable. That's good enough for me. Oh yes it also takes full-size crossfire with the easiest modding ever. That's very important. This radio is still as good as it gets to me
@@Kabab lots to hate? :) what exactly?
@@carsonpoland oh man it's absolutely hideous for one. The switches all over the place are appalling. Stupid Frsky have locked out binding to D8 and D16 so no whoops, the module bay is stupid and essentially useless, there's no internal charging......list goes on and on. It's just the best of the worst out there and it has the key ingredients that I need.
@@Kabab Hey Bob, I've had this radio for awhile and just now got an R9M Lite Pro and R9 MX receivers because they cost nothing on Horus. Extremely easy to setup and getting ridiculous range with 1 watt adaptive through loads of buildings at ground level where I live. R9 MX is nice too cause just need to solder inverted sport on a TX and was good to go. This is my first long range system since crossfire has been out of stock forever and didn't want to mod my transmitter, but I've had 0 issues with usability, flashing to flex, binding, and range so not really sure what to complain about. Wondering if you're going to try giving it a shot someday, the setup is super compact and would be nice to have your opinion.
@kababfpv did you try the jumper t12, do you have any opinion vs x9lite?
Yeah I hate the t12. The gimbals are the smallest and loosest of any controller out there. The controller is also too small and your hands are too cramped together.
@@Kabab I'm happy with t12, but I just ordered x9 lite today, I was thinking in t16 but I don't like actual price, I hope it was a good decision. Thanks for your answer.
I used FrSky for now almost 8 years, I still have the original X9D not the Plus version the original, All my receivers are either V8, D8 or D16 and now suddenly frsky starts acting like an arrogant Bully. Sorry I am the Customer and you don't get to decide what all I fly with my transmitter. Moving on to Jumper now, already booked my T18
I see a lot of people liking the Nirvana so I thought I would share my experience with it. (Wall of text, consider yourself warned)
I ended up returning my Nirvana. Like the firmware wasn't being updated regularly and it just wasn't finished. Mine literally came with no firmware loaded out of the box, not a great start.
Then the JR bay didn't have the correct voltage to drive an xjt module and they (Flysky) expected you to solder a (IIRC) 0603 resistor to fix that. Like I can do it, but that isn't a reasonable thing to ask a consumer to do. Not to mention it an instruction from one obscure forum post Flysky authored and they didn't even answer any follow up questions.
You're right though, fit and finish was better than any other "drone radio" I've used (high end stuff like graupner not included). I really loved how it felt as a thumber.
But I couldn't just keep wrestling with the bad firmware though. This isn't even including the drama with UG FPV with the different firmware versions. That and there were quite a few hardware issues you see posted on the rc forums, they would eventually respond "it will be fixed in the next hardware revision", uhh well what about everyone else who bought your trash who's stuck with defective hardware?
This was my experience around 04/19, they might have fixed all the issues by now but I wouldn't count on it. When I gave up firmware got an update maybe once every 4 weeks at best and it only fixed minor issues.
Sorry this wall of text was a bit longer than what I was going for but as you can see I fell into a rant.
It's a fine radio it's just not my cup of tea. Gimbals way too loose and doesn't fit pinchers at all imo. The new x9 lite is the best feeling radio in the hands I've used. Sad that it came from frsky but whatever. I've got my big boy crossfire on it and I'm happy
@@Kabab Yeah, we really tend to forget this type of anticompetetive behavior is pretty common in the tech market in general, you just need to look for it.
I would have put crossfire on it but that was my first transmitter and like most people new to this I wasn't ready to shell out for one yet. But I wanted to use the Frsky receivers and was quite disappointed with how the XJT didn't get enough voltage to work.
I was just really upset with how that product was handled, seems like it was developed well to the 90% mark then rushed out the door for the last bit.
I'll admit I miss the ergonomics of it though, the shorter gimbal travel was great for thumbers imo
AS it's OpenTx just add any build you want, same as with Nirvana, just flash what you want (free) ;], no need to solder anything, just add a plug (balance lead) to that R9 mini slot bay =)
just add a plug (balance lead) to that R9 mini slot bay =)
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@@slevinkelevra8696 yes, just make your own connector with right leads joins. no need to solder anything inside of taranis.
Fantastic and honest review, Bob! 😊
Particularly, I have nothing against any company. I can disagree with their actions in some cases, but that's it. You know?
My radio is a X9D and I have the R9 module. Maybe, some day, if I have enough money, I'm going to get the Crossfire as well. Absolutely no prejudice. 😊
I’m new to fpv and drones in general I want to buy my first piece to get the ball rolling I’m leaning really hard on the Jumper 16 what do you think is better frsky d7 lite please help
Get the X9 lite. It's all I use now and I feel it's the best option today.
Hello on your $200 build what is the VTX Banggood won’t open page thank you
Sorry I update the list along the way with newer videos. I updated this one to this list:
▼ 5" Sub $200 build that's still good
-Frame: goo.gl/EpXQhZ
-FC/4in1 Stack: goo.gl/HprVbj
-Motors: bit.ly/2Nqqr25
-Props: bit.ly/2TUQsIg
-FPV Cam: goo.gl/FDJhYw
-Vtx: bit.ly/2NnO2Au
Some news after 1 year? Are the small gimbal good to use?
I still prefer that x9 lite over anything else. Wish it had full size gimbals but it's acceptable
@@Kabab I broke my x9 lite beyond repair lol. Would you still replace it with another x9 lite rather than go with a tango 2 with mpm module?
@@valden I would honestly get the dji fpv and remote. It's so much simpler and the performance is pretty excellent. The control link isn't exactly crossfire or anything but it'll do 95% of anything I'll ever do. I know it's expensive but if you do fpv often, it's really well worth it
@@Kabab ooh yeah.. That's a bit beyond what I can do now. But maybe some day! Appreciate the insight.
@@valden otherwise I still like the x9 lite more than anything else.
Instant like for no-brainer Crossfire mod in "hold my beer" style. I'm curious how fast this receiver will get Hall gimbals and multi-protocol external modules like IRX4 Plus.
I believe that X9 Lite and QX7 share the same LCD screen panel. By the way I have nothing big against QX7. Yes, it would be a bit smaller, would have direct support of 18650 batteries and would have instant Crossfire JR module support without replacing switch transistor in QX7 to faster one. But otherwise my QX7's served me well so far.
It's a fine radio. It just could be a whole lot better than it is seemingly without much effort. Just someone needed to pay a little attention
Whoop yeah!
Do you judge on anything other than how it feels in your hand and wither or not crossfire works easily
This is a comparison video but I do show crossfire and explain basic steps of what to do for crossfire to work in the description and the video. The controller is the same overall as anything before it. The only difference is that physical shape, gimbals and the expansion mount platform.....which I show how I got crossfire to work great on.
I did order x9 lite. How i know is it eu or non eu lbt/fcc? Can i check it somehow?
Might say on the box but I'm not sure it matters. One just has one frequency locked out and the other doesn't. Either way no real difference to the user.
@@Kabab doesnt the receiver has to be same? So how i can know which acces to update to receiver then?
@@tomijaakkola9661 Rx should work regardless
Wait hold up so does it work with d16 receivers like xm+ ?? (On a nightly build)
I haven't bound it but yes. Others have told me it does.
Why not juper pro then? It is small, has fullsuzed bay nad hall gimbals
There is no jumper with full size gimbals. They are all small
You are the only one pilot that said this controller is good for you, while JB is only focussing talk about new access protocol
I honestly couldn't care less about access or whatever. I need it to fit my hands and work with crossfire or have some other good link.
@@Kabab I also looking for new transmitter that feel more comfortable in my hand, I have used x9d but it feel too big for me as thumber. there are two choices between xlite and x9lite
Which one do you prefer?
Bought one yesterday to use on my EMAX Tinyhawk 1-2 s and freestyle.
Oh man that's the one issue with the x9 lite. It won't do D8 binding unfortunately. And the d16 is accst so no whoop like things. I'm waiting for an aio module for it myself
Could the Red Full size R9M also be used on the X9 Lite?
I believe so but not the JR version. Only the new interface
@@Kabab Well f*ck FrSky, already went with the Jumper T16 ;)
Just about to get into hobby, X9 lite pro Vs Jumper t16 pro? Thx
I hugely prefer the x9 lite pro
hi, can you give link to 3d printed adapter X9lite - cross. Thanks :)
X9 lite cross? You mean crossfire? I don't have anything printed. I just stuck it to the back of the controller.
@@Kabab yes - crossfire. in video on backside crossfire-tx glued adapter for insert to backside x9lite external module connector ( not jr module size, new, smaller jr). sorry for my English, is not my native language.. :)
@@veniaminvalasiuk7709 ya I just stuck it to the part that clips on and off
@@Kabab cool, is greate idea, :).. why I can't think about this, and found any other .... !!!! Thanks.. :)
Man, would love to see you try r9m lite pro - 1w UHF - it is so much smaller than your set up f Crossfire :)) would fit into your back pack much easier :D
I have it. It totally sucks. R9 is a waste of money and time. Regular 2.4 is almost the same as the dumb 1w and there are so many different versions you don't know what's what with all the firmware and what to order. The antenna bits are also trash quality. Wait for them to come out with another five versions. Maybe then they'll have figured it out.
@@Kabab hm, not sure what you mean there are old r9m lite - 250w I think + 2 RX. And than lately they released r9m lite Pro (measured output 950mw) + 2 RX modules mini-ota and Mm-ota
- could you please tell me what TX RX you tried and it was bad?
@@bmwcoders2020 I have all three variations of the R9 and all three variations of the Rx's. None of them are compatible and I'm far too lazy to rip Rx's out of quads to solder onto servo leads to update then stick them back in. I have about eight quads with three R9 modules I need to plug and unplung into my controller to see which one is for which quad. The fragmented ecosystem will likely keep getting more fragmented and is just an enormous headache. It's fine if you're willing to put in the effort to get things to work but I really don't have time to mess with all that BS. Crossfire has been 99% solid from the very beginning. I may return to R9 later if they ever figure it out well. For now, it's a total waste of time for me and in my area, the range is garbage too. I'm in a very very bad area for radio waves.
@@Kabab I'm asking as that new system has no videos online, other than unboxing.
If you have it, it would be awesome video that many people want to see:
"FrSky r9m Lite Pro vs Crossfire @500mw/1w" :D
Another reviewer compared the dimensions and claims the x9lite gimbals = qx7 gimballs. which is great. however you say they are definitely different. i have some spare qx7 gimballs i can toss in the x9lite to compare. but this guy confirmed it: Tired Flyer FPV... x9lite + m7r gimbal is going to be brilliant imo.
Not the case. I can feel it in the stick movements with my own fingers. The x9 lite is slightly less travel. About 90-95% travel. Also, the M7 gimbals don't fit this radio
Maybe someone can help, going to purchase a crossfire tx lite.. Is there any point in spending the extra $60 for bluetooth capability. I don't see many people using the added features, Thanks!
Look around for a mod to fit the xfire lite in this controller. I'm sure many have done it already. The Bluetooth and wifi in the big crossfire module will be used with the upcoming module and other bits from what I hear. It's just taken a while. I also don't know how much use it will have.
@@Kabab The small crossfire module is the "Crossfire micro TX". The "Crossfire TX lite" is the new model, almost the same as the one you have - the "Crossfire TX" , but without Bluetooth.
The crossfire CRSF protocol can tunnel telemetry data over the link, and I believe you can then use the Bluetooth capability to transfer such data wirelessly to a phone or tablet running ground station software. E.g. MissionPlanner for AuduPilot. It means that you can have a full control and telemetry link with all the benefits of the CRSF long range - greater than 10Km. Traditional Pixhawk usage uses separate lower power radios and radio link (900mhz) for telemetry.. which is cumbersome and not compatible with a 900mhz control link of course.
None of which is very relevant for racing quads :). But you didn't say what your usage was. Also as others mentioned, there's apparently rumors of a Bluetooth capable goggle module in the future. Of interest, the "Crossfire micro TX" DOES have the Bluetooth module inside, though not used by current firmware. I've found the micro TX to be very usable, especially now it does 250mw. Cheers.
@@amisoftau2659 wooooooowwwwwww that would be frikin AWESOME!! Okay I'll be using that when it comes around
@@Kabab The Bluetooth capable goggle module? Yep. I guess it could be used to have your goggles change freq. to follow your SA channel changes.. which would be useful. Each quad might have it's own (due to specific onboard camera) settings of brightness and contrast for your goggles.. auto configured via Bluetooth. Gotta keep the KISS principal in mind tho :). I mean there's a limit to how much complexity we want.
How do you mod it so that the micro crossfire tx works?
I show it in this video and explain it in the description
KababFPV I thought you only showed how to do it for the full size crossfire. Where do you show how to do it for the micro?
I don't know how for the micro. I'm sure someone does.
Its listed at normal price for 150$. Mabey they did the same like with the R9M Module
They could dream of whatever normal price they want. It's barely worth $75 imo with the cheap quality
Awesome so the qx9 lite for the win!
The qx7 is not something I'd recommend to anyone today. It has so many issues and dumb little quarks it's just not worth it. It's also so damn enormous it fits exactly nobody's hands
@@Kabab ok thanks I was just about to buy 1 so q9 lite for the price?
@@kylec.3602 that's definitely what I would go with
@@Kabab wat about the fly sky i6s?
D8 is pretty much industry standard for whoops. Everyone needs a whoop in their life, so this is not a radio I would ever recommend to anyone. Especially not with Jumper having several models around that price point.
Until someone makes a multimodual for it
Im one that doesn't care lol
Congrats on getting xfire going.
Yeah wish it stayed a budget controller at $60, might as well go with the qx7
Give it a little time and somebody will re-engineer the transmission protocol.
You mean reverse engineer?
@@xnoreq Sure why not 👍
I don't understand why FrSky has such a bad name now a days. Does it suck? It's all I've ever used and get great range with it. The X4R and XM anyways
they've gained a bad name because they have been known not to support the community and just rip off other companies and copy their products whenever they feel like it. Previously, they had ripped off other companies, then started bitching about a company that ripped them off a little.... Anyway, the've come around a bit and these days legitimately compete in the market. Just China drama
Fair enough! I wasn't aware of all the drama hahaha thanks for the reply, and all the genius info you have. It really helps out eh. On that subject... do you still think the micro eagle is the best fpv cam? Just ordered that new apex frame and want to put the best of the best in it.
Thanks
@@jttinsleyjoey definitely micro eagle is the best.
are the spring tensions adjustable?
yes and quite strong too. real nice
@@Kabab another source told me that the actual spring tensions are not adjustable (the original x lite also does not have adjustable spring tension). Are you sure kabab? just wanna make sure before i buy
Genius !!😂 soo savage 🔥 thinking its some drone pilot guy/engineer at frsky who Said Fuck it, i am gonna make this easy for me to hack crossfire on 😂👍🏻
Very possible 😂
Couldnt you just change out the neck holder to metal?
You wouldn't be able to find one that fits that slot easily
Make it fit... jam it in there
@@imkputtz when it breaks you bet your bottom dollar I will
I downloaded 2.3 nightlies and theres no crossfire or multimodule to click
You need to select crsf to include in the install. It's in my description on this video
@@Kababwhere is crsf
X9d will always be the best😁