Why am I imagining these to have been the 'original' scenarios and the USA just reloaded previous saves to get to its modern hegemonic status? Like in a paradox game
A few suggestions: - What If Everything Went PERFECT for the Aztecs? - What If Everything Went PERFECT for Mexico? - What If Sweden Won the Great Northern War? - What If the Byzantine Empire Never Fell? - What If Italy United During the Middle Ages?
"The greatest emperor of the nation simply gets tired of governing, thus opening the way for a coup that establishes a weak republic" sure does sound like a far-fetched scenario dreamt up by some alt-hist youtuber
A more interesting scenario would be "What if everything went perfectly for Brazil"? Or for Argentina. It's more realistic than you might think. Both were going in the right direction in the 19th century, and in 1890 Argentina was as wealthy as the US.
Na verdade não, o Brasil poderia ter muito bem sido dividido se a Inconfidência Mineira (1789) tivesse sucedido e separado, o que estava bem longe de acontecer, mas se tivesse acontecido, é possível imaginar que o resto também iria se separar de Portugal com fronteiras similares às regiões do Brasil de hoje, assim o Brasil estaria limitado a um conceito geográfico.
It goes to show just how many points there were where the US could have completely failed during its early history. Kinda makes me thankful our founders were as competent (or lucky) as they were.
It wasn't really luck like people sometimes say, not like the "what if the USSR won the cold war" scenario. The fact is that the revolutionary ideas that built the country, but without needing to behead a king like France, caused us to be in a good situation to rule at least north America. There isn't really any empire in history that exists due to sheer luck really.
Yeah and it only took building the nation on thousands of dead Native American bodies, stealing their land, signing treaties and then breaking said treaties, assimilating them into "western civilization" to lose their culture, putting their children into boarding schools and then putting most of them on small reservations saying "isn't this good enough?"
Didn't he kind of declare half of the scenarios pretty much impossible and in the middle of the video say that it all had to happen really early in US history?
To be honest, after the revolutionary war, we weren't in much danger. After we won independence, nobody on the continent can threaten us and a naturally expanding state will always get more powerful
@steviechubbs5238 nah. After the revolutionary war, amercia, for the large part, was still reliant on britan, yall were reliant on them for pretty much everything, if after the revolutionary war britan deicded to take it back they could. France couldnt help here and wouldnt anyway, after they refused to pay back the lones they took
Another scenario that would fit in this video is if latin America wasn't as remarkably disfuncional as it was in our world. If countries like Brazil and especially Mexico weren't as inept across their history the United States would have had a far harder time consolidating north America and especially achieving world dominance. You don't even need to substantially nerf the US to avoid today's world in that situation. One could even argue that countries like Mexico could become continental hegemons and be very powerful on the world stage. The world and people's way of thinking could be substantially different, especially in Europe.
For example at the beginning of the 20th century, everyone expected Argentina to an economic powerhouse, but instead the turned out an absolute shithole with a string of military dicators with a strange obsession with some British islands that the have no legal claim to. I'm british lol.
No, it would still be difficult as Mexico is basically surrounded by mountains and Brazil has most of their land being forest. While they definitely could have had a better government they are still not able to compete with the US. The situation is very similar to India and China. While India is a behemoth, it is nothing compared to China.
Interesting scenario. One problem though is that one could argue that in the late middle ages Novgorod was becoming less ambitious when it came to unifying Russia They started to drift away from other parts of Russia by doubling down on trade and contact with western Europe . One could argue that if the process hadn't been stopped it could have followed a similar path as the one which led to the emergence of Ukraine as we know it today. They even at times tried to align themselves with countries hostile to Russia such as Poland Lithuania. There is a reason why Moscow unified Russia and Novgorod didn't. The later seems to have been much less commited than the former. It is possible that if Novgorod had replaced Moscow Russia would have been less dysfunctional across history, but for that to happen Novgorod would have had to do much more and in otl they just didn't.
>us loses war of independence >Britain retains American naval industrial and food power >Industrial revolution happens early >no liberalization You know this is pretty close to the backstory to Code:Geass, right?
@@imlivingunderyourbed7845 if it went PERFECT, it won't be divided. Plus, I am sure the natives were better mannered than America, who was founded on the foundation of slavery, exploitation and genocide
This was cool! I would love to see a 'What if everything went Terrible for France', mainly because France has had such a tumultuous history and was also surrounded by enemies on all sides (Habsburgs and England).
If George Washington was like Napoleon, that would be an interesting scenario. Better yet, Napoleonic wars don't happen, instead France had a revolution that's relatively peaceful, and stable, while America has it's own great fear, and ends up with a Napoleon like dictator that ends up fighting a coalition of Spain Britain and France.
The American revolution wasn’t just about taxes, the UK wouldn’t let the colonies participate in parliament which made the colonies feel left out. In an alternate timeline the UK lets the colonies participate in parliament therefore the revolution wouldn’t happen
No lol. The colonies did have representatives in parliament. It wasn't direct ability to vote representation but it was representation. Don't forget that originally the colonies tried arguing that they weren't subject to parliament but to the king directly. They only became anti-monarchy after he sided with parliament and when the more liberal founders jumped on this. It was mostly about taxes because most of the British parliament believed that the colonies should pay for the war that was fought for their benefit because they wanted to expand. And so to decrease taxes they wanted higher autonomy as colonies under the direct jurisdiction of the king in order to maintain their colonial assemblies. And of course after the Revolution taxes got worse which led to the Whiskey Rebellion which demonstrates that perhaps your ability to vote doesn't necessarily mean a fair tax system. Sure the MPs in Parliament didn't receive any American votes but they understood that even if a majority in colonial lands wanted whiskey farmers to pay more taxes that it would devastate them.
@@darken2417 the ability to vote does not mean fair taxes Look at Italy, where everyone can vote, yet every single person is supposed to pay at least half of his income to the state
Minor error in the Articles of Confederation section: Vermont was already an independent country during that period and should be shown as it's own country and not a part of New York.
PH should have made a scenario where Yellowstone erupted at full force, probably sometime after the Mexican-American war. The closer to the present scenario would likely be more devastating for the Americans. It would be one hell of a way to lose the Cold War.
They eventually did. If the army had kept influence then Japan would have sought war with the Soviets instead of going for most of the European colonies. This southern strike was championed by Japan's navy.
7:28 just pointing it out, but you made a small mistake with the belgian Reichskommisariat, it was RK Belgien-Nordfrankreich, and it also owned northern france
England wins the 100 years wars. In the ensuing years England becomes a colony of France since it's a backwater compared to the newly conquered lands. English language slowly disappear and English people are seen as quirky French people. French language dominates the world.
I once saw a Quora question, that asked "What it the English lost the 100 years war?" My first reaction was, "but they did?" Then I realized, that actually... had the Angevin kings managed to take over France, France's northernmost provinces across the Channel would have probably had a worse time long-term.
It's interesting that, at least from this video, "complete failure(s)" relies on more unpredictable and improbable variables and, thus, results in greatly differing results in scale and scope than "complete success(es)". Or maybe I'm wrong. I just felt like commenting, hehe.
Not wrong. It definitely felt like a lot of specific dominoes needed to be set up for those specific lose scenarios, with that last one not even being a lose scenario. It's just the USA versus a communist Eurasian continent. Which, if the USSR and CCP has shown us anything, is less of a threat than it seems.
I absolutely love your channel and style of maps, please keep up the great work. Have you ever considered doing a pure historical series where you narrate historical events and timelines, would be cool to have as either a subseries or a separate channel.
Just curious. Is history 2 still happening? It's not in the planned videos, so is it still a ways off or did you not get enough excitement about that idea?
I'm pretty sure it's generally agreed the Marshall Plan was an act of US power projection, rather than genuine economic aid, given how small the package actually was when split across its targets.
I have a few suggestions, I hope you enjoy: -What if everything went perfect for Finland. -What if the Girondin faction won the French Revolution. -What if Greece got all of its modern territory upfront, right after the revolution. -What if the British East India Company was nationalised by the British Government. -What if Ukraine won independence during the Russian Civil War and kept Green Ukraine.
If everything was perfect for Brazil since 1810, or when the royal family migrated, it could also go to the perspective of Brazil as a metropolis or independent in a less catastrophic.
@@henrykkeszenowicz4664 the Roman empire have survived in different forms for more then a 1000 years, almost half of the world speaks a Latin language, (Spanish, Portuguese or French), half of Europe, more then half of the Americas, half of africa. The impact on the western and world civilization is immeasurable. And you have the hutzpah to say history didn't go perfect for them?!
I envision alt history videos made in that timeline about "What if the Romans won the Punic Wars?" with unrealistic ideas like the Romans building a whole new army after losing tens of thousands of men at Cannae or managing to somehow build a navy and defeat the Carthaginians at sea, rejecting those ideas, then coming up with something like Hannibal freezing to death in the Alps instead.
@@vgalis the Greek victory over the Persians and the Roman victory over Carthage make me believe that we live in the alt hist scenario, they are too unrealistic
@@vgalis now when you say it, I need ironic alt history videos made from an alternative timeline, where the unrealistic outcomes of our timline didn't happen.
What if England won the 100 years war and it went perfectly for them (Angevine Empire) ? What if everything went perfect for Carlist Spain ? What if the Reconquista ended earlier ? What if Emperor Puyi betrayed the japanese in late WW2 and mamaged to reestablish the Qing Empire with allied help ? What if the Ottomans ended up becoming hellenized after conquering Constantinople ? What if Catherine the Great managed to reestablish Byzantium as a russian proxy ?
Scenario idea: What if Justinian the "Great" didn't ambitiously expand the Eastern Roman Empire, but instead helped preserve the Empire and avoided the problems caused by the reconquest, such as the strain on the economy and leaving the eastern border open to Persian attacks. Basically: What If Everything Went PERFECT for the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium)?
@@nomdeplume9590 No, his reconquests nearly bankrupted the economy and left the Eastern border unprotected, which led to Antioch being sacked. The reconquests also overextended the Empire's borders, which made the conquered land hard to maintain for Justinian's successors. While the plague was a huge factor, Justinian could've stopped after the Ostrogoths counterattacked. Instead he reconquered Italia a second time, which left the Rome and the peninsula in ruins and producing only a fraction of the income it once did.
A few suggestions: - What if everything went PERFECT for South Africa? - What if everything went PERFECT for Yugoslavia? - What if everything went TERRIBLE for Britain? - What if the United States kept Liberia? - What if the Novgorod Republic united Russia?
I would say in the future, choose a single point in history and go from there. A good point for the US would be after the Mexican-American War because that’s when the US gained its modern contiguous borders. I still think there could be a realistic scenario in which the Confederates succeed even securing some western territories. Afterwards the federal government would lose a lot of authority as it would be established that states are allowed to leave the Union. The west coast would probably leave as it is so separated from the rest of the US. There could also be a Mormon state established in the Utah area. The other slave states could also leave and join the confederacy. And if this is worst case scenario New England could leave as well.
This is an awesome twist on the series! Another idea I have: what if everything went perfectly for a CITY. For example: NYC * The US Capital is kept in New York instead of being moved to Washington DC following the compromise of 1790 * New York hosts the 1892 world’s fair instead of Chicago * New York prohibits the Edison Trust from being formed around 1910, keeping the film industry in NY * New York hosts the 1932 Summer Olympics instead of Los Angeles There wouldn’t be a great map for this, but you could do a population heat map because the city would undoubtedly be much more populated than it is irl
I'm interested in the ending stuff involving the Confederacy. I'd also like a scenario of just the South winning the Civil War. Another thing I'd like to see is for the U.S. to fall to monarchism and for Moscow to rise into a democracy, so, like, the Cold War, but reversed. Instead of a democratic U.S. and an unstable union under a dictator in Asia, it's a failed U.S. and a democratic Russian superpower acting as global police or something.
Interesting idea! Next you should try 'what if everything went terrible for EVERYONE?'. Just the absolute shit, worst possible result for everyone on earth, like a long, drawn-out world war ending in a massive nuclear exchange. Maybe pick a somewhat modern start date (1900 or later) to prevent things from getting too complicated or speculative.
one idea with the confederates is that the early momentum and victories just don't stop, this demoralizes the northerners and the confederates seize territories as far as Pennsylvania and Kansas, demoralizing northerners and fostering further succession movements in places like New England, causing a secessionist domino effect to fall.
Video Suggestions: -What if the Paris Commune succeeded in making France communist -What if Czechoslovakia stood up to Germany -What if Poland wasn't partitioned -What if the crusade succeeded at Varna in 1444 -What if Portugal kept Brazil
What if everything went terrible for Italy? Feels like there’s a a couple of point in history they could have made out much worse than they did, even with them being only 160 years old,
Not necessarily an original scenario idea but I'd love to see you cover Reds! A revolutionary timeline. It's basically an interesting take on what if the US had a communist revolution in the 1930s.
You have the Confederacy and Southerners in general dead wrong. The Marshall Plan didn't help get Europe back on its feet; free markets did. The Real Reason Germany Got Back on its Feet “We decided upon and reintroduced the old rules of a free economy, the rules of laissez-faire. We abolished practically all controls over allocation, prices and wages and replaced them with a price mechanism controlled predominantly by money.”-Ludwig Erhard, German economic minister The Marshall Plan was another failed giveaway program. One of the enduring myths of early Cold War history involves the so-called Marshall Plan, laid out by Secretary of State George Marshall in 1947. With Western Europe in economic ruin, some American policy makers suggested that massive injections of aid were necessary in order to jump-start those economies. An anti-Communist rationale was also offered for the program: Since Communism was thought to thrive amid conditions of poverty and despair, economic recovery in Western Europe would undercut whatever attraction Communist propaganda might hold there. The fact is that this program worked no better than any other government giveaway program. France, Germany, and Italy began their economic recoveries before any Marshall aid was disbursed. Austria and Greece, which received sizable amounts of Marshall aid per capita, began to recover only as it was being phased out. Britain received twice the Marshall aid that Germany did, yet British economic growth lagged far behind Germany's over the next decade. West Germany's postwar economic recovery was so explosive, in fact, that the Germans actually coined a word-Wirtschaftwünder-to describe it. Naturally, Marshall Plan propagandists have attempted to take credit for the West German economic miracle. But the Wirtschaftwünder was the result not of Marshall Plan giveaways but of the market reforms that the Germans introduced. Indeed, the return to some semblance of a market economy was what contributed to European prosperity. As economist Tyler Cowen points out, "In nearly every country occupied by Germany during the war, the stringent system of Nazi economic controls was continued even after the country was liberated. And in each case, rapid economic growth occurred only after the controls were lifted and sound economic policy established." Marshall aid sometimes served to postpone the drastic economic measures that recipient nations would otherwise have had to make but which could be indefinitely delayed as long as American money kept coming.
Video idea: What if Germany was dissolved after WW1? After WW1, it is decided that a unified german state upsets the balance of power in Europe too much, so Germany is split into multiple states. It would be interesting to see how this would affect the other european borders (eg large Poland to give a strong ally in Eastern Europe to counter Soviet expansion), and how this could lead to a WW2 with most of Europe fighting the Soviet Union
One of the main things this would lead to would be a rise in facism and socialism throughout the broken up states and we would still probably have a 3rd reich german state albeit not as large. But not a bad scenario at all.
Actually is more like a TNO scenario 🤓. In TWR Japan is defedet by Allied forces, the Komuintang unifies China after ww2 and more important is not bukarain stuff.
Imo I say that the US reconquering the CSA depends on how long it’s been since it would have gone independence. If only like a few decades (Pre WWI) then yeah it’s likely. However, by WWI onward. I find any complete integration of the CSA unlikely due to its by then more established national identity
Scenario idea: What if Burgundy won the Burgundian wars and eventually became independent of France and had colonies?
Why would the lowlands stay loyal to frenchies long enough for them to have permanent colonies?
YES
oh god not burgundy...
@@elif_coşkun_77 The Black Sun..
Is this Burgundy going to be Netherlands, but better? I don't think the Dutch will be calm under any other situation.
Why am I imagining these to have been the 'original' scenarios and the USA just reloaded previous saves to get to its modern hegemonic status? Like in a paradox game
They got the help of HIM.
@marshalmarrs3269Watch StarvHarv’s poorly translated history vids. Then you will know
@@Dude-vq3oe HE, is from spain
@@Dude-vq3oe Who?
The HE lore expanded into new vids @@Dude-vq3oe
A few suggestions:
- What If Everything Went PERFECT for the Aztecs?
- What If Everything Went PERFECT for Mexico?
- What If Sweden Won the Great Northern War?
- What If the Byzantine Empire Never Fell?
- What If Italy United During the Middle Ages?
mysore dai viet japan and china vs Britain France Netherlands Spain and portugal cold war
proxy war pro-asia aztecs vs pro-europe mayas
aztecs victory
Nice👍
Byzantine? Bro.
I have another one:
What if Everything went PERFECT for Japan?
how about What If Everything Went PERFECT For The Philippines?
I would say, "What if everything went terrible for Brazil" but i think we are already living this scenario
"The greatest emperor of the nation simply gets tired of governing, thus opening the way for a coup that establishes a weak republic" sure does sound like a far-fetched scenario dreamt up by some alt-hist youtuber
It could be worse. You could be owned by P*raguay.
A more interesting scenario would be "What if everything went perfectly for Brazil"? Or for Argentina. It's more realistic than you might think. Both were going in the right direction in the 19th century, and in 1890 Argentina was as wealthy as the US.
Na verdade não, o Brasil poderia ter muito bem sido dividido se a Inconfidência Mineira (1789) tivesse sucedido e separado, o que estava bem longe de acontecer, mas se tivesse acontecido, é possível imaginar que o resto também iria se separar de Portugal com fronteiras similares às regiões do Brasil de hoje, assim o Brasil estaria limitado a um conceito geográfico.
@@jamesdavis9036 except Brazil was still a slave state
It goes to show just how many points there were where the US could have completely failed during its early history. Kinda makes me thankful our founders were as competent (or lucky) as they were.
It wasn't really luck like people sometimes say, not like the "what if the USSR won the cold war" scenario. The fact is that the revolutionary ideas that built the country, but without needing to behead a king like France, caused us to be in a good situation to rule at least north America. There isn't really any empire in history that exists due to sheer luck really.
Yeah and it only took building the nation on thousands of dead Native American bodies, stealing their land, signing treaties and then breaking said treaties, assimilating them into "western civilization" to lose their culture, putting their children into boarding schools and then putting most of them on small reservations saying "isn't this good enough?"
Didn't he kind of declare half of the scenarios pretty much impossible and in the middle of the video say that it all had to happen really early in US history?
To be honest, after the revolutionary war, we weren't in much danger. After we won independence, nobody on the continent can threaten us and a naturally expanding state will always get more powerful
@steviechubbs5238 nah. After the revolutionary war, amercia, for the large part, was still reliant on britan, yall were reliant on them for pretty much everything, if after the revolutionary war britan deicded to take it back they could. France couldnt help here and wouldnt anyway, after they refused to pay back the lones they took
Another scenario that would fit in this video is if latin America wasn't as remarkably disfuncional as it was in our world.
If countries like Brazil and especially Mexico weren't as inept across their history the United States would have had a far harder time consolidating north America and especially achieving world dominance.
You don't even need to substantially nerf the US to avoid today's world in that situation.
One could even argue that countries like Mexico could become continental hegemons and be very powerful on the world stage.
The world and people's way of thinking could be substantially different, especially in Europe.
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México for sure could be but the elites of my country didn’t choose a clear path forward. What the key Mexico needed was stability and industry.
For example at the beginning of the 20th century, everyone expected Argentina to an economic powerhouse, but instead the turned out an absolute shithole with a string of military dicators with a strange obsession with some British islands that the have no legal claim to. I'm british lol.
No, it would still be difficult as Mexico is basically surrounded by mountains and Brazil has most of their land being forest. While they definitely could have had a better government they are still not able to compete with the US. The situation is very similar to India and China. While India is a behemoth, it is nothing compared to China.
The Patria Grande is formed to rival the US B)
Actually pretty interesting.
Scenario: What if Russia was formed by Novgorod not Moscow?
Yes
Interesting scenario.
One problem though is that one could argue that in the late middle ages Novgorod was becoming less ambitious when it came to unifying Russia
They started to drift away from other parts of Russia by doubling down on trade and contact with western Europe .
One could argue that if the process hadn't been stopped it could have followed a similar path as the one which led to the emergence of Ukraine as we know it today. They even at times tried to align themselves with countries hostile to Russia such as Poland Lithuania.
There is a reason why Moscow unified Russia and Novgorod didn't. The later seems to have been much less commited than the former.
It is possible that if Novgorod had replaced Moscow Russia would have been less dysfunctional across history, but for that to happen Novgorod would have had to do much more and in otl they just didn't.
@@stewiegriffin3496 maybe he could start the timeline earlier so it could happen
Yes
Boost
>us loses war of independence
>Britain retains American naval industrial and food power
>Industrial revolution happens early
>no liberalization
You know this is pretty close to the backstory to Code:Geass, right?
Haha! I was hoping he’d make a reference to that in this video
Britain was already well on its way to liberalize even further
The only difference is that Britain has to lose badly in Europe against Napoleon, as Britannia doesn't control the British isles
Would you be interested in making something like "What if everything went perfect for Native Americans?" :)
Would be cool to see how North America would be divided by the borders of each major tribes.
@@imlivingunderyourbed7845 if it went PERFECT, it won't be divided. Plus, I am sure the natives were better mannered than America, who was founded on the foundation of slavery, exploitation and genocide
First on the list, have immunity to old world diease somehow.
@@DOSFSthe Vikings could have given the diseases to the natives unknowingly so they build up immunity when the Europeans arrive
Solution: Polynesia is bigger@@DOSFS
"Bukharin leads the USSR and loses WW2"
Where have I seen that?
Oh it's the new or- oh no
Yeah, that's how TNO happened.
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@@theholypeanut8193big building in neu Berlin? Big building in neu Berlin? Big building in neu Berlin? Big building in neu Berlin?
This was cool! I would love to see a 'What if everything went Terrible for France', mainly because France has had such a tumultuous history and was also surrounded by enemies on all sides (Habsburgs and England).
If George Washington was like Napoleon, that would be an interesting scenario.
Better yet, Napoleonic wars don't happen, instead France had a revolution that's relatively peaceful, and stable, while America has it's own great fear, and ends up with a Napoleon like dictator that ends up fighting a coalition of Spain Britain and France.
@@ChaffyExpertI hope he make this!!!
The American revolution wasn’t just about taxes, the UK wouldn’t let the colonies participate in parliament which made the colonies feel left out. In an alternate timeline the UK lets the colonies participate in parliament therefore the revolution wouldn’t happen
The founding fathers hated the parliament in general
To be fair the UK didn't even let its own people in the parliament (rotten boroughs)
No lol. The colonies did have representatives in parliament. It wasn't direct ability to vote representation but it was representation.
Don't forget that originally the colonies tried arguing that they weren't subject to parliament but to the king directly.
They only became anti-monarchy after he sided with parliament and when the more liberal founders jumped on this.
It was mostly about taxes because most of the British parliament believed that the colonies should pay for the war that was fought for their benefit because they wanted to expand.
And so to decrease taxes they wanted higher autonomy as colonies under the direct jurisdiction of the king in order to maintain their colonial assemblies.
And of course after the Revolution taxes got worse which led to the Whiskey Rebellion which demonstrates that perhaps your ability to vote doesn't necessarily mean a fair tax system. Sure the MPs in Parliament didn't receive any American votes but they understood that even if a majority in colonial lands wanted whiskey farmers to pay more taxes that it would devastate them.
@@darken2417 the ability to vote does not mean fair taxes
Look at Italy, where everyone can vote, yet every single person is supposed to pay at least half of his income to the state
tfw you pay 4% taxes so you have a revolution and now you pay 45%
Great implementation of a great idea! Keep it up!
Minor error in the Articles of Confederation section: Vermont was already an independent country during that period and should be shown as it's own country and not a part of New York.
You mean state?
PH should have made a scenario where Yellowstone erupted at full force, probably sometime after the Mexican-American war. The closer to the present scenario would likely be more devastating for the Americans. It would be one hell of a way to lose the Cold War.
What if the Imperial Japanese Navy gain more political influence than the Army over Japan before WW2?
Yes
They did. That's why they went with the nanshin ron plan and not the hokushin ron plan
They did, nothing would change.
So OTL?
They eventually did. If the army had kept influence then Japan would have sought war with the Soviets instead of going for most of the European colonies. This southern strike was championed by Japan's navy.
7:28 just pointing it out, but you made a small mistake with the belgian Reichskommisariat, it was RK Belgien-Nordfrankreich, and it also owned northern france
he heard you and fixed that
Only legends remember when the title said "what if everything went wrong for Bulgaria"
You should do “What if everything went TERRIBLY for the British”
it would just be french
Everything is going terribly for the British. What's already happened to London is slowly happening to the rest of the country.
England wins the 100 years wars. In the ensuing years England becomes a colony of France since it's a backwater compared to the newly conquered lands.
English language slowly disappear and English people are seen as quirky French people.
French language dominates the world.
I once saw a Quora question, that asked "What it the English lost the 100 years war?" My first reaction was, "but they did?" Then I realized, that actually... had the Angevin kings managed to take over France, France's northernmost provinces across the Channel would have probably had a worse time long-term.
I mean...Britain was once a global empire that whatever they said happened. Things have gone pretty damn badly
It's interesting that, at least from this video, "complete failure(s)" relies on more unpredictable and improbable variables and, thus, results in greatly differing results in scale and scope than "complete success(es)".
Or maybe I'm wrong. I just felt like commenting, hehe.
Not wrong. It definitely felt like a lot of specific dominoes needed to be set up for those specific lose scenarios, with that last one not even being a lose scenario. It's just the USA versus a communist Eurasian continent. Which, if the USSR and CCP has shown us anything, is less of a threat than it seems.
Alt title: What if everything went great for latin america and the middle east
Bro thought that he could put half of the TNO plot in one of those scenarios and we wouldn't notice.
Can't believe that you basically described the tno lore just without sealion in one of the senerios.
This series is gonna be great! The British ending looks good
Agreed
Yes
Oh course a Brit would say that
I absolutely love your channel and style of maps, please keep up the great work. Have you ever considered doing a pure historical series where you narrate historical events and timelines, would be cool to have as either a subseries or a separate channel.
6:13 I love how the American flag just fades in and fades out like
*america jumpscare*
Video idea: what if everything went perfect for Colonialist Spain?
Just curious. Is history 2 still happening? It's not in the planned videos, so is it still a ways off or did you not get enough excitement about that idea?
I'm pretty sure it's generally agreed the Marshall Plan was an act of US power projection, rather than genuine economic aid, given how small the package actually was when split across its targets.
Not really. It’s usually agreed as both from what I can tell
7:13 literally TNO lore (tno reference)
Bukharin wholesome moment
I have a few suggestions, I hope you enjoy:
-What if everything went perfect for Finland.
-What if the Girondin faction won the French Revolution.
-What if Greece got all of its modern territory upfront, right after the revolution.
-What if the British East India Company was nationalised by the British Government.
-What if Ukraine won independence during the Russian Civil War and kept Green Ukraine.
Scenario idea: what if Bavaria and/or Austria formed a south German confederation
0:25 What is that music?
Johnny comes marching home
1:08, I know I'm here for alternate history, but that's not meant to be purely out of works of fiction like George III making a rational action.
like the scenarios and all,
but why is "british" censored in the thumbnail?
Praying for the British citizens 🙏
This is a neat concept, and I am looking forward to seeing more.
Scenario: What if the Dogger Bank incident led to a war between Russia and Britain?
If everything was perfect for Brazil since 1810, or when the royal family migrated, it could also go to the perspective of Brazil as a metropolis or independent in a less catastrophic.
What if everything went perfectly for Japan?
Yes please
Now this is what I truly want
no
Could you do: What if everything went perfect for Poland-Lithuania?
The winged hussars
Panslavism, Russia but more functional and with Poland
@@Perrirodan1 And Poland into space
What about "what if everything went terrible for Bulgaria?" Considering how bad history went for them, it's likely not much changes
That would just be Ottomans/Turkey retaining Bulgaria and Thesaloniki till modern day
"What if everything went terrible for the Romans?" Because it feels like we live in the timeline where it all go perfectly for them.
If it was, we would all speak Latin.
@@henrykkeszenowicz4664 the Roman empire have survived in different forms for more then a 1000 years, almost half of the world speaks a Latin language, (Spanish, Portuguese or French), half of Europe, more then half of the Americas, half of africa. The impact on the western and world civilization is immeasurable. And you have the hutzpah to say history didn't go perfect for them?!
I envision alt history videos made in that timeline about "What if the Romans won the Punic Wars?" with unrealistic ideas like the Romans building a whole new army after losing tens of thousands of men at Cannae or managing to somehow build a navy and defeat the Carthaginians at sea, rejecting those ideas, then coming up with something like Hannibal freezing to death in the Alps instead.
@@vgalis the Greek victory over the Persians and the Roman victory over Carthage make me believe that we live in the alt hist scenario, they are too unrealistic
@@vgalis now when you say it, I need ironic alt history videos made from an alternative timeline, where the unrealistic outcomes of our timline didn't happen.
Idea: What if everything went perfect for the Ottomans?
What if England won the 100 years war and it went perfectly for them (Angevine Empire) ?
What if everything went perfect for Carlist Spain ?
What if the Reconquista ended earlier ?
What if Emperor Puyi betrayed the japanese in late WW2 and mamaged to reestablish the Qing Empire with allied help ?
What if the Ottomans ended up becoming hellenized after conquering Constantinople ?
What if Catherine the Great managed to reestablish Byzantium as a russian proxy ?
Scenario idea: what if everything went perfect for Spain ?
Scenario idea: What if Justinian the "Great" didn't ambitiously expand the Eastern Roman Empire, but instead helped preserve the Empire and avoided the problems caused by the reconquest, such as the strain on the economy and leaving the eastern border open to Persian attacks. Basically: What If Everything Went PERFECT for the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium)?
Justinian's reconquests would've went fine if he didn't get wrecked by the plague, though; he was defeated by circumstances outside of his control.
@@nomdeplume9590 No, his reconquests nearly bankrupted the economy and left the Eastern border unprotected, which led to Antioch being sacked. The reconquests also overextended the Empire's borders, which made the conquered land hard to maintain for Justinian's successors. While the plague was a huge factor, Justinian could've stopped after the Ostrogoths counterattacked. Instead he reconquered Italia a second time, which left the Rome and the peninsula in ruins and producing only a fraction of the income it once did.
A few suggestions:
- What if everything went PERFECT for South Africa?
- What if everything went PERFECT for Yugoslavia?
- What if everything went TERRIBLE for Britain?
- What if the United States kept Liberia?
- What if the Novgorod Republic united Russia?
Is the 0:06 clip an inside joke behind edutainment creators now? I swear I've seen it four times with this one.
I would say in the future, choose a single point in history and go from there. A good point for the US would be after the Mexican-American War because that’s when the US gained its modern contiguous borders.
I still think there could be a realistic scenario in which the Confederates succeed even securing some western territories. Afterwards the federal government would lose a lot of authority as it would be established that states are allowed to leave the Union.
The west coast would probably leave as it is so separated from the rest of the US. There could also be a Mormon state established in the Utah area. The other slave states could also leave and join the confederacy. And if this is worst case scenario New England could leave as well.
Ey! Its one of my ideas for the channel, great video!
5:40 so basically an American HRE
Honestly a video about the Axis victory Cold War timeline would be cool
What's even better is a video game about it The new order or thousand week reich anyone?
YES! Bring us more What if Everything Went Terrible!
video idea: what if sablins cue against krushev suceeded?
This is an awesome twist on the series! Another idea I have: what if everything went perfectly for a CITY. For example: NYC
* The US Capital is kept in New York instead of being moved to Washington DC following the compromise of 1790
* New York hosts the 1892 world’s fair instead of Chicago
* New York prohibits the Edison Trust from being formed around 1910, keeping the film industry in NY
* New York hosts the 1932 Summer Olympics instead of Los Angeles
There wouldn’t be a great map for this, but you could do a population heat map because the city would undoubtedly be much more populated than it is irl
Video Idea: What if everything went terrible for Britain? Either in the 18th century, the 19th century or around 1900.
Shout out to that one guy who came up with the idea
10:33 Bad for the US doesn't mean that it's bad for the rest of the world.
yes
I have a fun Scenario idea that I think would make for a good Christmas special. The prompt is this: "What if the Christmas Truce ended WW1?"
The WW2 scenario is foreshadowing to a future video I bet
I'm interested in the ending stuff involving the Confederacy. I'd also like a scenario of just the South winning the Civil War.
Another thing I'd like to see is for the U.S. to fall to monarchism and for Moscow to rise into a democracy, so, like, the Cold War, but reversed. Instead of a democratic U.S. and an unstable union under a dictator in Asia, it's a failed U.S. and a democratic Russian superpower acting as global police or something.
scenario: What if the Hungarians didn't migrate southwest to the Carpathian basin, instead, they followed their uralic cousins to the Baltic?
Hungarians prusians no
I'm curious to see a follow-up of that autonomous 13 colonies scenario.
Interesting idea! Next you should try 'what if everything went terrible for EVERYONE?'. Just the absolute shit, worst possible result for everyone on earth, like a long, drawn-out world war ending in a massive nuclear exchange. Maybe pick a somewhat modern start date (1900 or later) to prevent things from getting too complicated or speculative.
Should've had one about the Pig War starting a war with Britain
For "British", it is not the "I" that gets left off, but the "T", in Bri'ish.
Scenario idea: What if Everything went Perfect for Napoleon?
He conquers the world
3:09 THICC MEXICO
Another great video
I actually wrote an alternate history like this for a college class, quite the interesting scenario and a very interesting video.
one idea with the confederates is that the early momentum and victories just don't stop, this demoralizes the northerners and the confederates seize territories as far as Pennsylvania and Kansas, demoralizing northerners and fostering further succession movements in places like New England, causing a secessionist domino effect to fall.
Video Suggestions:
-What if the Paris Commune succeeded in making France communist
-What if Czechoslovakia stood up to Germany
-What if Poland wasn't partitioned
-What if the crusade succeeded at Varna in 1444
-What if Portugal kept Brazil
Wold you do a part tow of the worst that could happen to the USA?
does anyone know the music that's playing at the beginning?
You should actually do a video where the protagonist country just immediatly loses and the video ends
"Protagonist country" is actually a great term lmao
I remember I read the comment that suggested it and I saw your reply and wondered when you would make this
10:38 can anyone tell what is the name of this music is
From Russia with love.
Finally thank you so much
What if everything went terrible for Italy? Feels like there’s a a couple of point in history they could have made out much worse than they did, even with them being only 160 years old,
True. For never being a serious colonial power, a new country, never being propped up by a superpower and such Italy did insanely well
Not necessarily an original scenario idea but I'd love to see you cover Reds! A revolutionary timeline.
It's basically an interesting take on what if the US had a communist revolution in the 1930s.
You have the Confederacy and Southerners in general dead wrong.
The Marshall Plan didn't help get Europe back on its feet; free markets did. The Real Reason Germany Got Back on its Feet “We decided upon and reintroduced the old rules of a free economy, the rules of laissez-faire. We abolished practically all controls over allocation, prices and wages and replaced them with a price mechanism controlled predominantly by money.”-Ludwig Erhard, German economic minister
The Marshall Plan was another failed giveaway program. One of the enduring myths of early Cold War history involves the so-called Marshall Plan, laid out by Secretary of State George Marshall in 1947. With Western Europe in economic ruin, some American policy makers suggested that massive injections of aid were necessary in order
to jump-start those economies. An anti-Communist rationale was also offered for the program: Since Communism was thought to thrive amid conditions of poverty and despair, economic recovery in Western Europe would undercut whatever attraction Communist propaganda might hold there. The fact is that this program worked no better than any other government giveaway program. France, Germany, and Italy began their economic recoveries before any Marshall aid was disbursed. Austria and Greece, which received sizable amounts of Marshall aid per capita, began to recover only as it was being phased out. Britain received twice the Marshall aid that Germany did, yet British economic growth lagged far behind Germany's over the next decade. West Germany's postwar economic recovery was so explosive, in fact, that the Germans actually coined a word-Wirtschaftwünder-to describe it. Naturally, Marshall Plan propagandists have attempted to take credit for the West German economic miracle. But the Wirtschaftwünder was the result not of Marshall Plan giveaways but of the market reforms that the Germans introduced. Indeed, the return to some semblance of a market economy was what contributed to European prosperity. As economist Tyler Cowen points out, "In nearly every country occupied by Germany during the war, the stringent system of Nazi economic controls was continued even after the country was liberated. And in each case, rapid economic growth occurred only after the controls were lifted and sound economic policy established." Marshall aid sometimes served to postpone the drastic economic measures that recipient nations would otherwise have had to make but which could be indefinitely delayed as long as American money kept coming.
What if Austria received the rhineland at the conference of Vienna.
I thought this was going to be the continuation of the north american superpowers video 😢
I would say it gets stuck with the article of confederation that doesnt work
Waiting for: "What if everything went perfect for Polish - Lithuanian Commonwealth"
Next ones can be the British Empire or the People's Republic of China
Scenario Idea: What if everything went Perfect for the Netherlands?
Basically what if British won the war of 1812
Won even more you mean
Idk if it will work, but as a Romanian I always wonder what if Michael the Brave kept the Romanian principalities united
What if everything went perfect for Greece!!!
Yes
Which one tho? xd
Because that could be 4 different videos at the very least xd
@@Pigraider268 the modern state of Greece
Hey possible history, you misspelled British ending as best ending. Just letting you know :)
Achievement undlocked : The good ending, Nomerica
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@@LouiszBr42 lol
Video idea: What if Germany was dissolved after WW1? After WW1, it is decided that a unified german state upsets the balance of power in Europe too much, so Germany is split into multiple states. It would be interesting to see how this would affect the other european borders (eg large Poland to give a strong ally in Eastern Europe to counter Soviet expansion), and how this could lead to a WW2 with most of Europe fighting the Soviet Union
One of the main things this would lead to would be a rise in facism and socialism throughout the broken up states and we would still probably have a 3rd reich german state albeit not as large. But not a bad scenario at all.
Please do a What if everything went perfect for Norway scenario
Dude I was not expecting a TWR scenario on here.
Actually is more like a TNO scenario 🤓. In TWR Japan is defedet by Allied forces, the Komuintang unifies China after ww2 and more important is not bukarain stuff.
what website does he use to draw maps
how would a nuclear war look like in different stages of the cold war and modern world
I just realized that music is "symhony of specter classic version".
What if everything went perfect for the pirates please!
please do a video on what if everything went perfect for romania
Perfect ottomans?
Imo I say that the US reconquering the CSA depends on how long it’s been since it would have gone independence. If only like a few decades (Pre WWI) then yeah it’s likely. However, by WWI onward. I find any complete integration of the CSA unlikely due to its by then more established national identity