@@mrAPchem Now do this with Darrius or Goro kameo- that sounds like some awesome tech to me, calling them behind the opponent or something idk feel like something is there. Also how do i do ex klone with only one klone? I always get the three..thanks for all your work man!
@@BattleBrotherCasten I do indeed have Kameo-specific videos coming out soon. For the 1-Bar single Klone, you do DB1+Block at the same time. If you press Block afterwards, like you're trying to meter-burn it, that's how you get the 3 Klones. Also, do not hold Block either, that will mess you up. I'm happy that I can help! Stay tuned for more!
If the clone is too close like when you go for the low without the slide and it freezes them, I think that's actually good. When it's close like that you can also cancel the overhead into deadly vapours for another combo because it will freeze them
The only issue with a Klone that is so close is that if the opponent decides to block, the Klone will break and leave you at -17. It's imperative that you keep the Klone at the optimal distance so that if the opponent either blocks or crouch blocks, the Klone doesn't break.
@@mrAPchem Hello Grandmaster, there is a distance that allows for both the low to freeze and for the klone to not break on block. It's a very tight timing though. I uploaded an example (literally my only vid I'm not plugging I swear). If they block the low you can still go for a throw afterwards if you EX'd the klone.
@@BiHanSympathizer That is amazing to hear!! Did you test this against the whole cast, both stand-blocking and crouch-blocking? The reason I ask is because each character not only has different sized hitboxes when standing, blocking and crouch-blocking, but those hitboxes are all different from each other. For instance, Kitana gets smaller when she blocks and gets even smaller when she crouch blocks, whereas Rain's hitbox get bigger when he blocks. If you did indeed test them all and they still get frozen, then that's amazing!!!
@@mrAPchem No I haven't thought about that and tested every character on this patch, it's hard to do because you gotta set it up perfectly as a recording to get proper results. I'll see what I can do. I'm willing to bet that each character is gonna require a slightly different, frame perfect ice klone timing, fucking hell. But the knowledge is part of the mix. (We know it might not work perfectly, but does our opponent?) Realistically speaking, there's probably only like 3 different timings, and I bet some characters are more lenient than others. And yeah, Kitana's hitbox is a weird one, did you know she's actually larger by ducking? While testing stuff I've definitely gotten frozen from just crouching. Still waiting to hit my friend with that one.
@@BiHanSympathizer From what I've found, in order to get the Klone closer, when you go to do the 112 in the air after the double-B2, you need to make sure that Sub-Zero is underneath opponent when the 112 happens and not right at their level. When Sub is underneath, it puts the Klone closer. When Sub is on their level, the Klone is still close, but not enough for the B3 to freeze on contact. I discovered this after I recorded and uploaded this video lol! And yeah, Kitana struggles bad in the corner against Sub because she's got so small a hitbox. However, she can Flawless Block the Klone when it's close and make you negative, so there's that - if she knows the tech though. You're right - most people have no idea about this, so when you do it online, you'll mess them up. About the testing, I'd say that characters likely appear in categories - ones that grow on block, grow on crouch and grow on crouch-block. From that, there's 8 other possibilities assuming that in each category they can shrink on block instead. Perhaps in your testing, you can just find one character from each of the 9 possibilities and test the close Klone on them, rather than test against everyone in the game. I truly appreciate you bringing this to my attention - that's what I want us Sub players to do; lab, lab and lab some more so that we can make him as deadly as possible.
thank you so much for creating content the way you present information in your videos is very entertaining. I had to leave a comment I have seen you on here before and have enjoyed every video posted. you have a pleasing way of speaking and presenting content. Hopefully you start a podcast one day
The main issue is that some of his clones get broken away when someone uses enhanced abilities to super armor through the Clone. I don't think it shouldn't be allowed, and the clone should automatically freeze you when you touch it. Also, you should be able to direct the Clone in whatever Direction You Want It so nobody can get to you. Also, you should be able to throw the Clone so you can enforce more pressure similar to what Sub-Zero did in Mortal Kombat X
Yes indeed, the clone does get broken when the opponent uses an armor move, which it should. Every move in the game needs counterplay. But, as I noted in the video, if you make the read that your opponent is going to armor, you have enough time to block their attack. 97% of armor attacks in this game are full-combo punished on block, so that is the option to take - block and punish.
@mrAPchem ok that makes sense better. I'll practice that more to make the harder matchups easier. I think MKX subzero skillset would scale better if it was in MK1😂🔥. I miss that sub zero variation
Hey booey I got something u might be interested some tech I wanted to let you know using this setup and Goro So here’s the vision while doing 112 in the air you set up the goro unblockable that way they now have to deal with goro getting ready to come down along with the clone Something to look in to got the inspiration from this and the sektor missile video Goro can launch off b3,4 and f1,2,3 and you get an decent armored reversal Just food for thought. Have a good one ☝️
u smart as hell, u needa start playing more characters tho, i maxed out sub then stop playing him cus i couldnt get past demi-god, i wanna see you lab shang fr, i need help pushing him
I play plenty of characters, but Sub-Zero is my main man. He's the first one that I play in any MK game and therefore gets the most lab/play time. The issue with Shang is that his archetype - the zoner - isn't very strong in this game. Too many characters have ways of getting past zoning, including Sub-Zero. And then there are Kameos that outright nullify it like Motaro, Khameleon and Sub-Zero. NRS either needs to take steps to strengthen Shang's zoning or make him much less reliant on it as his win condition.
@@mrAPchem i agree, shang needs just a little more to open up the enemy, or just give him a 50/50 knockdown to pair with 2,4, hes got nothing but lows if some one uses sub kam and just down blocks when close its ggs
@@kingcurt3930 I will say this - I don't know how you use Shang, but it seems to me that his zoning should be used not just as damage, but also as a conditioning tool to make people approach you. Once they get to either midscreen or sweep distance, you use your low(s) to intercept them, do your combo and send them right back out to full screen. All of this, of course, is easier said than done.
@@mrAPchem yea, that is how i play him but you use sub or tremor kam, and take away his zoneing he cant pressure and is forced to play close but when close he has no tools beside slow very reactable overhead and the rest low, the only reason i get i wins with shang i believe is because people dont know the match up and get tricked by stupid baits, i use kano kam to get the mid kano ball Because it doesn't count as a projectile and is ambush, so i can pressure then use it to make me safe even if they duck its mid
@@BattleBrotherCasten He can, but if you think he's gonna do that, you can either block and punish, or you not Klone after the knockdown and immediately go to attack him because neither of the teleports are armored.
@@AlucardTepes-sl6rb That's the upsetting thing about Frost. The Ice Wall is good, but not only does it not last that long, but players can jump over it and Sub himself breaks it in one shot with his Slide.
That’s also more damage if you wanna spend bad on the EX vapors at the start but that’s only on punish never use vapors if you just hit them with raw B2 it is gonna do more damage without the deadly vapors since it scales heavily
@@ArktikaZer0 You'd ve very hard-pressed to hit good players with a raw B2, let alone make enough use of it to let that be your corner combo starter. It's too reactable and will hurt you more than you hurt them if they block it.
@@mrAPchem no shit that’s why I’m saying in the reply I put to punish with ex deadly vapors and then do the combo I still get more damage with that than the one shown in the vid to carry to the corner I’m not saying your wrong but you could have thought about it before replying
@@ArktikaZer0 Your combo actually doesn't do more damage though. Mine does. And in your reply, it was not clear that you weren't advocating for me to use raw B2. Doesn't matter - your combo introduces more scaling and therefore does less damage: 343 vs. 347 from a raw B2.
As a subzero main! I just wanna say one thing that doesn't work at all against takeda and what kung lao that will make his armour safe with goro.. This universal clone has nothing if you are not convinced i have clip of takeda hiting me because his strings has a good range as well as tanya This will never work in higher ranks..
First and foremost, I have no idea what you are saying or trying to say except for the part where characters are hitting you through the Klone after this setup. I never said that this was fool-proof or that the Klone completely saves you against all attacks. I said that this setup lets you put a Klone up in the opponent's face and gives you enough time to block their armored wakeup and punish, which it does. This setup also allows you the chance to re-freeze them into the Klone for 50-65% total damage for a single bar - if the opponent decides to block your next attack. It's fairly obvious that many opponents aren't going to just sit there and block. Some will jump attack, which you can counter. Others will try to attack you, which you can block if you read it. None of this means that the setup is ineffective. You say that this would never work in the higher ranks - I have a commenter that says he consistently gets himself to Demi-God with Sub-Zero due to this setup. I'll take his actual lived experienced over your incoherent speculation.
@@mrAPchem Actually I was also in the demi god in the last season with subzero! And don't take it personally bruh I'm just saying this because I have faced so many tanyas and takeda countering this again and again It does lets you setup the clone for a high damage but it's not practical in the higher ranks cause everyone's playing Tanya homelander these days I'm saying that no one would sit there and block and I'm also stating that people who play characters like Kung Lao can make their armour safe with kameos like goro! And then you can't poke it's their turn again
@@mrAPchem you might be a good player but against the shit ass players who use homelander and Tanya with goro,sub is really trash against them *now* as khameleon also got nerfed
@@mrAPchem You also stated that you can go for a grab when you set up you clone right? That's what I did I'll send you the link. Of takeda punishing me for 53% of damage and all I did was try to grab him after setting the clone up
@@mrAPchem i wanna add skins mods to the game too but i'm afraid that steam will redownload the whole game files again if i messed up anything and regret it
@@mrwood9131 Hell no, it's not nearly that deep. Steam games are very forgiving when it comes to modding. And fortunately, the modding community for MK1 has been the absolute best! Literally, all it takes is dropping some files into a folder and that's it. These same files can always be removed to return your game to normal without incident.
Man you’re the only sub-zero player that don’t complain and just figure shit out . I like that
I appreciate that. He is definitely fighting uphill in some matches, but he has the tools to make things work for 99% of players.
@@mrAPchem Now do this with Darrius or Goro kameo- that sounds like some awesome tech to me, calling them behind the opponent or something idk feel like something is there. Also how do i do ex klone with only one klone? I always get the three..thanks for all your work man!
@@BattleBrotherCasten I do indeed have Kameo-specific videos coming out soon.
For the 1-Bar single Klone, you do DB1+Block at the same time. If you press Block afterwards, like you're trying to meter-burn it, that's how you get the 3 Klones. Also, do not hold Block either, that will mess you up.
I'm happy that I can help! Stay tuned for more!
@@mrAPchem Thank you! keep the amazing tech coming- you are saving the entire Subzero main community!
100 subzero is no joke theres so much you can do with him
If the clone is too close like when you go for the low without the slide and it freezes them, I think that's actually good. When it's close like that you can also cancel the overhead into deadly vapours for another combo because it will freeze them
The only issue with a Klone that is so close is that if the opponent decides to block, the Klone will break and leave you at -17. It's imperative that you keep the Klone at the optimal distance so that if the opponent either blocks or crouch blocks, the Klone doesn't break.
@@mrAPchem Hello Grandmaster, there is a distance that allows for both the low to freeze and for the klone to not break on block. It's a very tight timing though. I uploaded an example (literally my only vid I'm not plugging I swear). If they block the low you can still go for a throw afterwards if you EX'd the klone.
@@BiHanSympathizer That is amazing to hear!! Did you test this against the whole cast, both stand-blocking and crouch-blocking?
The reason I ask is because each character not only has different sized hitboxes when standing, blocking and crouch-blocking, but those hitboxes are all different from each other.
For instance, Kitana gets smaller when she blocks and gets even smaller when she crouch blocks, whereas Rain's hitbox get bigger when he blocks.
If you did indeed test them all and they still get frozen, then that's amazing!!!
@@mrAPchem No I haven't thought about that and tested every character on this patch, it's hard to do because you gotta set it up perfectly as a recording to get proper results. I'll see what I can do. I'm willing to bet that each character is gonna require a slightly different, frame perfect ice klone timing, fucking hell. But the knowledge is part of the mix. (We know it might not work perfectly, but does our opponent?) Realistically speaking, there's probably only like 3 different timings, and I bet some characters are more lenient than others.
And yeah, Kitana's hitbox is a weird one, did you know she's actually larger by ducking? While testing stuff I've definitely gotten frozen from just crouching. Still waiting to hit my friend with that one.
@@BiHanSympathizer From what I've found, in order to get the Klone closer, when you go to do the 112 in the air after the double-B2, you need to make sure that Sub-Zero is underneath opponent when the 112 happens and not right at their level.
When Sub is underneath, it puts the Klone closer. When Sub is on their level, the Klone is still close, but not enough for the B3 to freeze on contact. I discovered this after I recorded and uploaded this video lol!
And yeah, Kitana struggles bad in the corner against Sub because she's got so small a hitbox. However, she can Flawless Block the Klone when it's close and make you negative, so there's that - if she knows the tech though. You're right - most people have no idea about this, so when you do it online, you'll mess them up.
About the testing, I'd say that characters likely appear in categories - ones that grow on block, grow on crouch and grow on crouch-block. From that, there's 8 other possibilities assuming that in each category they can shrink on block instead.
Perhaps in your testing, you can just find one character from each of the 9 possibilities and test the close Klone on them, rather than test against everyone in the game.
I truly appreciate you bringing this to my attention - that's what I want us Sub players to do; lab, lab and lab some more so that we can make him as deadly as possible.
thank you so much for creating content the way you present information in your videos is very entertaining. I had to leave a comment I have seen you on here before and have enjoyed every video posted. you have a pleasing way of speaking and presenting content. Hopefully you start a podcast one day
@@stephon972 Hmmmm, I'd like to do a podcast one day! Thank you so much for the continued support, it means everything to me.
Sub-Zero tech always appreciated 🙏🏼 Finna add this with my Darrius mix-ups 🔥
Ice will cover this land !
@@kazeshini7286 Indeed!!!!!
The main issue is that some of his clones get broken away when someone uses enhanced abilities to super armor through the Clone. I don't think it shouldn't be allowed, and the clone should automatically freeze you when you touch it. Also, you should be able to direct the Clone in whatever Direction You Want It so nobody can get to you. Also, you should be able to throw the Clone so you can enforce more pressure similar to what Sub-Zero did in Mortal Kombat X
Yes indeed, the clone does get broken when the opponent uses an armor move, which it should. Every move in the game needs counterplay.
But, as I noted in the video, if you make the read that your opponent is going to armor, you have enough time to block their attack. 97% of armor attacks in this game are full-combo punished on block, so that is the option to take - block and punish.
@mrAPchem ok that makes sense better. I'll practice that more to make the harder matchups easier. I think MKX subzero skillset would scale better if it was in MK1😂🔥. I miss that sub zero variation
Hey booey I got something u might be interested some tech I wanted to let you know using this setup and Goro
So here’s the vision while doing 112 in the air you set up the goro unblockable that way they now have to deal with goro getting ready to come down along with the clone
Something to look in to got the inspiration from this and the sektor missile video
Goro can launch off b3,4 and f1,2,3 and you get an decent armored reversal
Just food for thought.
Have a good one ☝️
Oooooooohhhh, I like that right there!!!! And if it splats into the Klone, it's even better!!!
I will test this - thank you!
This setup continues to be the reason I can get Sub-Zero to Demi-God status in Ranked lol
@@IITh3WorMII That's amazing to hear!!!!! Wait until you see my next one!
u smart as hell, u needa start playing more characters tho, i maxed out sub then stop playing him cus i couldnt get past demi-god, i wanna see you lab shang fr, i need help pushing him
I play plenty of characters, but Sub-Zero is my main man. He's the first one that I play in any MK game and therefore gets the most lab/play time.
The issue with Shang is that his archetype - the zoner - isn't very strong in this game. Too many characters have ways of getting past zoning, including Sub-Zero. And then there are Kameos that outright nullify it like Motaro, Khameleon and Sub-Zero.
NRS either needs to take steps to strengthen Shang's zoning or make him much less reliant on it as his win condition.
@@mrAPchem i agree, shang needs just a little more to open up the enemy, or just give him a 50/50 knockdown to pair with 2,4, hes got nothing but lows if some one uses sub kam and just down blocks when close its ggs
@@kingcurt3930 I will say this - I don't know how you use Shang, but it seems to me that his zoning should be used not just as damage, but also as a conditioning tool to make people approach you. Once they get to either midscreen or sweep distance, you use your low(s) to intercept them, do your combo and send them right back out to full screen.
All of this, of course, is easier said than done.
@@mrAPchem yea, that is how i play him but you use sub or tremor kam, and take away his zoneing he cant pressure and is forced to play close but when close he has no tools beside slow very reactable overhead and the rest low, the only reason i get i wins with shang i believe is because people dont know the match up and get tricked by stupid baits, i use kano kam to get the mid kano ball Because it doesn't count as a projectile and is ambush, so i can pressure then use it to make me safe even if they duck its mid
Thanks for the videos, AP! 🤘. Sub Zero for life!
You are quite welcome! Sub-Zero for life indeed.
@@mrAPchemCan’t scorpion just teleport or at least ex port out of that situation?
@@BattleBrotherCasten He can, but if you think he's gonna do that, you can either block and punish, or you not Klone after the knockdown and immediately go to attack him because neither of the teleports are armored.
Great tutorial video
Thank you! Stay tuned for more!
Lets see all this with frost wall 😏,
Also a real set using that team will be much appreciated ❄️
@@AlucardTepes-sl6rb That's the upsetting thing about Frost. The Ice Wall is good, but not only does it not last that long, but players can jump over it and Sub himself breaks it in one shot with his Slide.
Nice video how you get that skin?
Nexus Mods. This is a PC mod.
How did you get that scorpion skin? Is it a mod?
It is a mod, yes.
@@mrAPchem ok thanks
Good looking gang
You are quite welcome!
You could be getting more damage off that combo that’s gets them to the corner B2 B2 Jump 21 DB1 jump 12 3 BF3
That’s also more damage if you wanna spend bad on the EX vapors at the start but that’s only on punish never use vapors if you just hit them with raw B2 it is gonna do more damage without the deadly vapors since it scales heavily
@@ArktikaZer0 You'd ve very hard-pressed to hit good players with a raw B2, let alone make enough use of it to let that be your corner combo starter. It's too reactable and will hurt you more than you hurt them if they block it.
@@mrAPchem no shit that’s why I’m saying in the reply I put to punish with ex deadly vapors and then do the combo I still get more damage with that than the one shown in the vid to carry to the corner I’m not saying your wrong but you could have thought about it before replying
@@ArktikaZer0 Your combo actually doesn't do more damage though. Mine does.
And in your reply, it was not clear that you weren't advocating for me to use raw B2.
Doesn't matter - your combo introduces more scaling and therefore does less damage: 343 vs. 347 from a raw B2.
@@mrAPchem yeah thought it did just saw with punish it does .2 less
As a subzero main! I just wanna say one thing that doesn't work at all against takeda and what kung lao that will make his armour safe with goro..
This universal clone has nothing if you are not convinced i have clip of takeda hiting me because his strings has a good range as well as tanya
This will never work in higher ranks..
First and foremost, I have no idea what you are saying or trying to say except for the part where characters are hitting you through the Klone after this setup.
I never said that this was fool-proof or that the Klone completely saves you against all attacks.
I said that this setup lets you put a Klone up in the opponent's face and gives you enough time to block their armored wakeup and punish, which it does.
This setup also allows you the chance to re-freeze them into the Klone for 50-65% total damage for a single bar - if the opponent decides to block your next attack.
It's fairly obvious that many opponents aren't going to just sit there and block. Some will jump attack, which you can counter. Others will try to attack you, which you can block if you read it. None of this means that the setup is ineffective.
You say that this would never work in the higher ranks - I have a commenter that says he consistently gets himself to Demi-God with Sub-Zero due to this setup.
I'll take his actual lived experienced over your incoherent speculation.
@@mrAPchem Actually I was also in the demi god in the last season with subzero! And don't take it personally bruh I'm just saying this because I have faced so many tanyas and takeda countering this again and again
It does lets you setup the clone for a high damage but it's not practical in the higher ranks cause everyone's playing Tanya homelander these days I'm saying that no one would sit there and block and I'm also stating that people who play characters like Kung Lao can make their armour safe with kameos like goro! And then you can't poke it's their turn again
@@mrAPchem I never said this setup is ineffective or this video is not good! I'm just stating my point,No hate :)
@@mrAPchem you might be a good player but against the shit ass players who use homelander and Tanya with goro,sub is really trash against them *now* as khameleon also got nerfed
@@mrAPchem You also stated that you can go for a grab when you set up you clone right? That's what I did I'll send you the link. Of takeda punishing me for 53% of damage and all I did was try to grab him after setting the clone up
You're using skins mod?
Yes indeed I am. Nexus Mods for the win!
@@mrAPchem u don't face any issues while playing online matches? No bans at all?
@@mrwood9131 Not at all. Why would I?
The mods even show up in Invasions!
@@mrAPchem i wanna add skins mods to the game too but i'm afraid that steam will redownload the whole game files again if i messed up anything and regret it
@@mrwood9131 Hell no, it's not nearly that deep. Steam games are very forgiving when it comes to modding. And fortunately, the modding community for MK1 has been the absolute best! Literally, all it takes is dropping some files into a folder and that's it.
These same files can always be removed to return your game to normal without incident.