Great video! I think you’re right about the dynamics and differences between the books and the show in that the show simplifies or leaves out a lot of important themes, elements, complexities, possibilities, and content, such as the consciousness magic. I think we should keep this in mind when interpreting the show’s take on “Bran sitting the throne” and saving humanity in Westeros. I think we should also keep this in mind when interpreting House of the Dragon’s take on the prophecy they call “a song of ice and fire.” I think House of the Dragon is also leaving out many complexities and possibilities. While in the books we are told of several Targaryens throughout the generations being given various dreams by the tree consciousness or other sources, this all is simplified and conflated into a single prophecy inscribed on a dagger and passed down verbally among generations of Targaryens.
You basically just described the difference between screen writers and literature writers, and why new books are fun and feel new, but new shows are the same thing reskinned. 😂😅
That's not true. Shows are visual and the style is more standardized and obvious but you see pretty much the same themes in books that are going for ages. And the majority is more vulnerable to shows than books because shows enter our homes more easily. But I get what you are saying though.
Exactley! Tv shows has endless source of visual story telling tools. Camera angle, scene composition, actor playing, choice of words, costumes. Endless artistic possibilities. It does not have to be expensive to make it deep (speak in general not GOT; also good example: DARK) but we still get the same jokes same storys, same villains, same love triangles, same clishés. EVERYTHING is predictible... GoT started as an exception, but stucked in cliches after Martin left them.
This is a really cool idea when you assume ASoIaF was written by George as a social commentary on his contemporary world, an allegory for our society -- trying to build a culture based off of "fear of the Other" is inherently violent and internally destructive, and the only way to move forward as a progressive society is to define culture on "shared stories" and social mores and norms, rather than trying to make a xenophobic exclusive societal culture work (eg, the feudal monarchy CANNOT be a stable source of political identity, as we see with literally EVERY second-most-powerful house betraying the most-powerful house in every major realm of Westeros)
But its not though. Look at where our 'progressive society' is leading us. I give it 10 years at most, and then we will return to more traditional way of living because thats in accordance with natural law. Progressivism isnt.
It's less cool when you realize the lense you're viewing that from is less from GRRM's contemporary world at the time and more from your contemporary world.
@@JaMeshuggah ... uh, sure, I guess? For the time being at least, I have lived and continue to on the same planet at the same time as George, so this seems like an extremely pedantic and unnecessary distinction to make, but whatever floats your boat...
@@JimRFF uh.. sure.. I guess?? If someone doesn't preach your gospel it makes you upset I can tell. However George is more likely to be making the point that light, dark, cold, warmth, war, and peace are eternal cycles we will never escape from but don't let me disturb your fantasy and condescension.
@@JaMeshuggah "if someone doesn't preach your gospel it makes you upset I can tell" bruh... you're a fucking looney xD Also, "don't let me disturb your fantasy and condescension" ... projecting much, are we? Would the pot like to call the kettle black? Maybe I'd take you seriously if you were capable of an iota of self-awareness If you had a real point, I'd be happy to discuss it with you, but you want to get on the internet just to fling insults at strangers, you need to step your game up, chief
You have me nibbling on this hook. Bran as a sort of Arc or liferaft for the combined knowledge the passing tree wants to leave behind. I think it works with an argument I make about who the God on Earth was in the Empire of the Dawn. You can really get a feel for everything gathered around the fire in the dark waiting for the light, Bran telling everyone what they'll need to do to rebuild when it does. I hesitate to embarrass such absolutes, but from a certain point of view they make sense. There is an underlying question about what a Stark actually is and what they were that I think might serve your theory well. Why would a Stark need to do it?
I could see it needing to be a Stark if on some level or another Bran the Builder kicked off this situation and his body might still be strapped down there somewhere under Winterfell and the Stark's need to deal with it. That is one of the things I am coming around to thinking is more likely, Bran the Builder's still living body being down in the deepest levels of the crypts sustained on some level because he built this whole system. Almost like the Westerosi Mr. House from Fallout New Vegas
@@michaeltalksaboutstuff I've been spending a lot of thought on the patterns and symbolism. There is an aspect of Bran and the Starks that I'm trying to iron out. In your opinion what can a Lion of Night be? More specifically do you think it would have to literally be a lion? Could a a direwolf be considered a LoN? With that what would you believe to be a better "Maiden", sun or moon? Would you consider the combination of a leaping silver trout (crescent moon) and a direwolf to be an effective symbolic instance of a child born of LoN and Maiden? Do you dig deep into symbolism? There is an argument based on Prometheus I'd like to run past someone but it relies heavily on a deep dive into symbolism and most people seem to prefer more simple and straightforward interpretation. Additionally, I think there might be an Andal crown symbolism inherent in placing Others into/onto weirwoods, but it's early days for that.
@@BeteBlanc I would love to hear your thoughts on the symbolism if you're still up for explaining it. I'm old and have spent many years studying such things so hit me with it chief I'm all ears
@@cloudbloom Huge topic. There appears to be a heavy blending of many real myths as well as reworked inworld myths. I could literally go on for hours. Bran and Starks are very interesting topics. Look at Bran. Fair skin and red hair, the Tully look. It's also a proxy for a weirwood, pale skin and red leaves. His legs are broken. So essentially he's a weirwood with broken roots that's been grafted to another tree. In the language of the story, the swords people carry often speak to their owner. Waymar is and carries a castle forged sword, untested in real combat. Gared's sword similarly resembles him. So, if men are swords, what's a boy/man without legs? In story language, Bran is a sword without a hilt. A lot goes past when you just see the story at face value. For example, Starks don't typically have red hair. Bran is, in Wildling language, touched by fire. What's a Brandon with a fiery top? There is also something buried in how he sets up things. In the the inworld past you have the Bloodstone Emperor. This is a curious mix of green with red veins or flecks. What is seems to allude to is a greenseer wed to a weirwood. Which is odd considering the reputation he has in the story, but a connection I don't think should be written off. My mind is racing, I don't often get to talk to anyone who digs past the surface. Sorry if I don't seem coherent. I don't want to subject you to a novel if you think I'm nuts.
Another banger of a theory video 🙌🏼🙌🏼 This particular theory has me thinking if the Others are either: Ice humanoids that were once Green Men or Children of the Forest First Men turned Others Or if the Others always existed in the Lands of Always Winter, and either Children or First Men turned to them for aid by offering sacrifices and things got out of hand
I wonder if in the books Jon will, as Azor Ahai reborn, end up sacrificing Bran at a weirwood like the children do to the man in the flashback in the show. like as a way to implant the hivemind back into a new weirwood network (possibly on the isle of faces). it would explain the repetition in the Last Hero/Azor Ahai stories if it was so similar due to them being different occurrences of the same cycle. every few thousand years the wierwoods go all dark and need to be rebooted, a greenseer needs to download the hivemind database (like a human flash drive), take it to a fresh network and install it (via ritual sacrifice) then the old trees need to be burned so new ones can grow.
I think you make a good point that things that are tossed in out of the blue were directions from GRRM. It’s sad that they made such a dogs meal of the books. Imagine they thought they could tell a better story than GRRM. One thing I did pick up in season eight is the death of the Night King. I swear that was foreshadowed in Season 1 Episode 1 when Arya popped out of nowhere and hit the bullseye. Another thing that I have spotted that must be in the books because there was no reason to put it unless GRRM told them to, was the way the Night King “died”. He shattered in ice exactly how Blood Raven shattered in smoke. But we know that Blood Raven actually didn’t die he just skin changed into Bran. I believe that the Noght King also did not die but skin changed into a dead person.Someone who already had bright blue eyes that wouldn’t be noticed or questioned. Tormund. The other clue from GRRM in the eight season was that the “final” battle was mid-season . Because I believe that the final battle hasn’t even begun. What we have seen is just the Night King setting up the board in his favor. It is impossible to fight someone like Bran/3-Eyed Raven who can see all. I think the entire series we’ve only seen half and that these 8 season was the Night King setting up his chess board. As is he knows he can’t win so he orchestrates his own “death”. Literally right in front of Bran/3-Eyed Raven and also under the Winterfell Heart tree. This ensured that he was “officially” dead and that the entity who can see all Bran-3Eyed Raven will no longer look for him. Also, it was not lost on me that his shattered body melted into the earth under the Winterfell heart tree. This is the ultimate blood?ice sacrifice. I think that that Night King had just entered the Matrix. So yes, season 8 was horrible but I found so many clues because they were so clumsy putting them in.
Agreed, season 8 while bad was one of the biggest clues we could ever get to how things will end. The issue is you need to be very careful wading through the mess and trying to link it up with GRRM clues and themes from the actual books and interviews and such. Definitely some interesting things to think about here, Arya hitting the bullseye is a good one. I do really think she is being set up by the faceless men to bring death to these immortal undying beings on some level or another. Also the night's king organizing his own death in front of the heart tree is another thing I think might be what he/the bodies who cast the others want in the books. Idk if we were ever supposed to read the events of the show that way but I do think it works with the book themes.
honestly i coulld have accepted it more if it was basically anyone but bran. But bran first of all was annoying. basically didnt do a whole lot through the entire show.
Bran knows/ can download/ time travel/ learn /understand that the Others are the common enemy and or the balancing force to keep human excesses in check. If society falls apart he will have to reconfigure it, which he will, as a super long lived king. Duneishly.
I don't get the idea that there is going to be a "download" of all the weir information into Bran. Why would he be able to do that? He can remember some of it, yes, but all? And, the information he does get doesn't mean facts. He gets the memories of people with all the opinions and misinformation that goes with it.
Call me Old Fashioned, but I've found the tried and true "Oderint dum metuant." approach to running an Empire has always worked best, and seems to be popular with Others.
If the world tree system is to start anew in a better way, Bran has got to be more than a new body for B-raven / 3ECrow - he has retain enough Bran - ness to become Bran Plus Hive Mind, with the knowledge to institute controlof and balance with the Others.
This video confirms my suspicions. The way Bran says, “I cannot be Lord of anything”, seems like a something a woman in GOT would say. Perhaps Shay. “You were right right where you were supposed to be”, sounds like Bran said that as Lyana Stark, Ned Stark, the measter of the Night’s Watch or even Rhygar Targeryian would. “Why do you think I came all this way”, sounds like that was Blood Raven or better yet, Vyseris. Coming from Vyseris, that’d be a nod to his banter with Tyrion. I have not read the books, yet.
I like all of your ideas about the endgame, exept that you forgot one thing: George has already told us that the end will be bittersweet. So all of that stuff about the world tree and a cycle of rebirth may not go so right as you think
I think there should be a new reference book. A Before and After the World of Ice and Fire. It would take more than the ASOIAF books to explain everything.
Bran is the sweet part of the ending. Jon and Dany's fate are the bitter part. Bran rules a new society based on love/humanity, Dany dies and Targaryen legacy dies, Jon Snow lives north of the wall like a "free folk". Jon is a representation of the Targaryen legacy, so he has no place in the new society Bran builds. Kind of like Frodo Baggins. No place in the new world so he leaves it.
It’s so incredibly refreshing to have someone who doesn’t feel the need to endlessly bash the show, but instead uses their intellect to deduce what was really going on and come to an understanding and acceptance of it all. Fact is if any random person that had no idea of story/book versions of the story or anything watched season 8 they would say it was the most crazy and amazing show ever. But since we all have/had certain expectations and prior/differing knowledge of things we noticed the oddities and shortcomings. The show as a whole deserves a lot more respect than most people try and give it nowadays. That being said PLEASE GIVE US WINDS OF WINTER GEORGE WE ARE DESSSSPPPERRRAAATTTEE! Lol
Interesting theory. I appreciate the D&D in a nutshell version, where there's plenty of ambiguity. Mostly think the magic needs to stay hidden within the final chapters of the books. A lot of people who watched the show don't even care about Bran, the magic, or dragons. They just wanted politics and dialogue. So I agree with D&D's version, with just letting the audience figure it out for themselves.
Riverlands was conquered by Harren the black when Aegon landed in Westeros, so Riverlands doesn't count as an independent kingdom. Crownlands is just the district that the Targaryens rule directly.
@@grahamthorpe5033 Count them right. Its The North, Vale, Westerlands, Reach, Stormlands, Dorne, and Iron Islands. 7 kingdoms. Crownlands and Riverlands are technically 8th and 9th kingdom, but dont count in the 7 kingodms as previously mentioned. Aegon didnt conquer Dorne but still claimed it as his own.
@@kevindepuy5390 dorne was taken by marriage. Not conquered so there the 8th. 9th is the division between river lands and iron Island. The final council there's 8 kingdoms and they still say 7 and I'm still mad
The first line of the first book thing is just grasping at straws. It is the literary equivalent to number theory or scientology. Sure it seems like it, but there isn't any evidence that the first line has anything to do with the ending of the story. The first line is just setting the scene by invoking a person's belief that they've been somewhere for too long. It then goes on to further describe the scene as being dark and cold. It has nothing to do with society or feudal fear and shouldn't be connected to that cause it isn't.
The evidence is that George's literary inspirations include authors that construct their stories as such - either starting with the end, or literally creating the story in a circular manner so that reading the first line after the last line fully completes the intended idea or philosophy.
There isn't any evidence that a line from the books has anything to do with the ending, or overall meaning, of those books? What? GRRM chose to put that line in there. He even gave it a place of special prominence, as the very first line in the series. That doesn't just happen by accident. It sounds like you have the same attitude, and level of literacy, as Benioff and Weiss; "That stuff doesn't matter. Themes (and analysis) are just for 8th grade book reports."
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Funny how all the parts the show cut out (at least as displayed in the graph) are in fact the backbone of Elden Ring’s narrative
Great video!
I think you’re right about the dynamics and differences between the books and the show in that the show simplifies or leaves out a lot of important themes, elements, complexities, possibilities, and content, such as the consciousness magic.
I think we should keep this in mind when interpreting the show’s take on “Bran sitting the throne” and saving humanity in Westeros.
I think we should also keep this in mind when interpreting House of the Dragon’s take on the prophecy they call “a song of ice and fire.” I think House of the Dragon is also leaving out many complexities and possibilities. While in the books we are told of several Targaryens throughout the generations being given various dreams by the tree consciousness or other sources, this all is simplified and conflated into a single prophecy inscribed on a dagger and passed down verbally among generations of Targaryens.
Love your theory videos! Keep up the great work dude!
I thought it was them trying to redeem themselves and say “well its about our story thats the most important thing who has the best story which is us”
You basically just described the difference between screen writers and literature writers, and why new books are fun and feel new, but new shows are the same thing reskinned. 😂😅
spot on
That's not true. Shows are visual and the style is more standardized and obvious but you see pretty much the same themes in books that are going for ages. And the majority is more vulnerable to shows than books because shows enter our homes more easily. But I get what you are saying though.
Exactley! Tv shows has endless source of visual story telling tools. Camera angle, scene composition, actor playing, choice of words, costumes. Endless artistic possibilities. It does not have to be expensive to make it deep (speak in general not GOT; also good example: DARK) but we still get the same jokes same storys, same villains, same love triangles, same clishés. EVERYTHING is predictible...
GoT started as an exception, but stucked in cliches after Martin left them.
This is a really cool idea when you assume ASoIaF was written by George as a social commentary on his contemporary world, an allegory for our society -- trying to build a culture based off of "fear of the Other" is inherently violent and internally destructive, and the only way to move forward as a progressive society is to define culture on "shared stories" and social mores and norms, rather than trying to make a xenophobic exclusive societal culture work (eg, the feudal monarchy CANNOT be a stable source of political identity, as we see with literally EVERY second-most-powerful house betraying the most-powerful house in every major realm of Westeros)
But its not though. Look at where our 'progressive society' is leading us. I give it 10 years at most, and then we will return to more traditional way of living because thats in accordance with natural law. Progressivism isnt.
It's less cool when you realize the lense you're viewing that from is less from GRRM's contemporary world at the time and more from your contemporary world.
@@JaMeshuggah ... uh, sure, I guess? For the time being at least, I have lived and continue to on the same planet at the same time as George, so this seems like an extremely pedantic and unnecessary distinction to make, but whatever floats your boat...
@@JimRFF uh.. sure.. I guess?? If someone doesn't preach your gospel it makes you upset I can tell. However George is more likely to be making the point that light, dark, cold, warmth, war, and peace are eternal cycles we will never escape from but don't let me disturb your fantasy and condescension.
@@JaMeshuggah "if someone doesn't preach your gospel it makes you upset I can tell" bruh... you're a fucking looney xD
Also, "don't let me disturb your fantasy and condescension" ... projecting much, are we? Would the pot like to call the kettle black? Maybe I'd take you seriously if you were capable of an iota of self-awareness
If you had a real point, I'd be happy to discuss it with you, but you want to get on the internet just to fling insults at strangers, you need to step your game up, chief
George seeing this channel going back to see if he can change anything
Can't wait to see you on Lightbringer's...😁
Bran also has the memory of all the wrong turnings.
What?
Huzzah! More content! 🎉🎉
You have me nibbling on this hook. Bran as a sort of Arc or liferaft for the combined knowledge the passing tree wants to leave behind. I think it works with an argument I make about who the God on Earth was in the Empire of the Dawn. You can really get a feel for everything gathered around the fire in the dark waiting for the light, Bran telling everyone what they'll need to do to rebuild when it does.
I hesitate to embarrass such absolutes, but from a certain point of view they make sense. There is an underlying question about what a Stark actually is and what they were that I think might serve your theory well. Why would a Stark need to do it?
I could see it needing to be a Stark if on some level or another Bran the Builder kicked off this situation and his body might still be strapped down there somewhere under Winterfell and the Stark's need to deal with it. That is one of the things I am coming around to thinking is more likely, Bran the Builder's still living body being down in the deepest levels of the crypts sustained on some level because he built this whole system. Almost like the Westerosi Mr. House from Fallout New Vegas
@@michaeltalksaboutstuff I've been spending a lot of thought on the patterns and symbolism. There is an aspect of Bran and the Starks that I'm trying to iron out.
In your opinion what can a Lion of Night be? More specifically do you think it would have to literally be a lion? Could a a direwolf be considered a LoN? With that what would you believe to be a better "Maiden", sun or moon? Would you consider the combination of a leaping silver trout (crescent moon) and a direwolf to be an effective symbolic instance of a child born of LoN and Maiden?
Do you dig deep into symbolism? There is an argument based on Prometheus I'd like to run past someone but it relies heavily on a deep dive into symbolism and most people seem to prefer more simple and straightforward interpretation. Additionally, I think there might be an Andal crown symbolism inherent in placing Others into/onto weirwoods, but it's early days for that.
@@BeteBlanc I would love to hear your thoughts on the symbolism if you're still up for explaining it. I'm old and have spent many years studying such things so hit me with it chief I'm all ears
@@cloudbloom Huge topic. There appears to be a heavy blending of many real myths as well as reworked inworld myths. I could literally go on for hours. Bran and Starks are very interesting topics.
Look at Bran. Fair skin and red hair, the Tully look. It's also a proxy for a weirwood, pale skin and red leaves. His legs are broken. So essentially he's a weirwood with broken roots that's been grafted to another tree. In the language of the story, the swords people carry often speak to their owner. Waymar is and carries a castle forged sword, untested in real combat. Gared's sword similarly resembles him. So, if men are swords, what's a boy/man without legs? In story language, Bran is a sword without a hilt.
A lot goes past when you just see the story at face value. For example, Starks don't typically have red hair. Bran is, in Wildling language, touched by fire. What's a Brandon with a fiery top?
There is also something buried in how he sets up things. In the the inworld past you have the Bloodstone Emperor. This is a curious mix of green with red veins or flecks. What is seems to allude to is a greenseer wed to a weirwood. Which is odd considering the reputation he has in the story, but a connection I don't think should be written off.
My mind is racing, I don't often get to talk to anyone who digs past the surface. Sorry if I don't seem coherent. I don't want to subject you to a novel if you think I'm nuts.
Another banger of a theory video 🙌🏼🙌🏼 This particular theory has me thinking if the Others are either:
Ice humanoids that were once Green Men or Children of the Forest
First Men turned Others
Or if the Others always existed in the Lands of Always Winter, and either Children or First Men turned to them for aid by offering sacrifices and things got out of hand
I wonder if in the books Jon will, as Azor Ahai reborn, end up sacrificing Bran at a weirwood like the children do to the man in the flashback in the show. like as a way to implant the hivemind back into a new weirwood network (possibly on the isle of faces). it would explain the repetition in the Last Hero/Azor Ahai stories if it was so similar due to them being different occurrences of the same cycle. every few thousand years the wierwoods go all dark and need to be rebooted, a greenseer needs to download the hivemind database (like a human flash drive), take it to a fresh network and install it (via ritual sacrifice) then the old trees need to be burned so new ones can grow.
I think you make a good point that things that are tossed in out of the blue were directions from GRRM. It’s sad that they made such a dogs meal of the books. Imagine they thought they could tell a better story than GRRM.
One thing I did pick up in season eight is the death of the Night King. I swear that was foreshadowed in Season 1 Episode 1 when Arya popped out of nowhere and hit the bullseye.
Another thing that I have spotted that must be in the books because there was no reason to put it unless GRRM told them to, was the way the Night King “died”. He shattered in ice exactly how Blood Raven shattered in smoke. But we know that Blood Raven actually didn’t die he just skin changed into Bran. I believe that the Noght King also did not die but skin changed into a dead person.Someone who already had bright blue eyes that wouldn’t be noticed or questioned. Tormund.
The other clue from GRRM in the eight season was that the “final” battle was mid-season . Because I believe that the final battle hasn’t even begun. What we have seen is just the Night King setting up the board in his favor.
It is impossible to fight someone like Bran/3-Eyed Raven who can see all. I think the entire series we’ve only seen half and that these 8 season was the Night King setting up his chess board. As is he knows he can’t win so he orchestrates his own “death”. Literally right in front of Bran/3-Eyed Raven and also under the Winterfell Heart tree. This ensured that he was “officially” dead and that the entity who can see all Bran-3Eyed Raven will no longer look for him.
Also, it was not lost on me that his shattered body melted into the earth under the Winterfell heart tree. This is the ultimate blood?ice sacrifice. I think that that Night King had just entered the Matrix.
So yes, season 8 was horrible but I found so many clues because they were so clumsy putting them in.
Agreed, season 8 while bad was one of the biggest clues we could ever get to how things will end. The issue is you need to be very careful wading through the mess and trying to link it up with GRRM clues and themes from the actual books and interviews and such.
Definitely some interesting things to think about here, Arya hitting the bullseye is a good one. I do really think she is being set up by the faceless men to bring death to these immortal undying beings on some level or another. Also the night's king organizing his own death in front of the heart tree is another thing I think might be what he/the bodies who cast the others want in the books. Idk if we were ever supposed to read the events of the show that way but I do think it works with the book themes.
honestly i coulld have accepted it more if it was basically anyone but bran. But bran first of all was annoying. basically didnt do a whole lot through the entire show.
Bran knows/ can download/ time travel/ learn /understand that the Others are the common enemy and or the balancing force to keep human excesses in check.
If society falls apart he will have to reconfigure it, which he will, as a super long lived king.
Duneishly.
I don't get the idea that there is going to be a "download" of all the weir information into Bran. Why would he be able to do that? He can remember some of it, yes, but all? And, the information he does get doesn't mean facts. He gets the memories of people with all the opinions and misinformation that goes with it.
that is something I'm hoping for, a schizophrenic mind, full of internal conflict and misinformation
Call me Old Fashioned, but I've found the tried and true "Oderint dum metuant." approach to running an Empire has always worked best, and seems to be popular with Others.
It certainly does keep the people in line
@@michaeltalksaboutstuff "A peaceful land, a quiet people." -Roose Bolton
Strange that she adds "before you too."
If the world tree system is to start anew in a better way, Bran has got to be more than a new body for B-raven / 3ECrow - he has retain enough Bran - ness to become Bran Plus Hive Mind, with the knowledge to institute controlof and balance with the Others.
This video confirms my suspicions. The way Bran says, “I cannot be Lord of anything”, seems like a something a woman in GOT would say. Perhaps Shay.
“You were right right where you were supposed to be”, sounds like Bran said that as Lyana Stark, Ned Stark, the measter of the Night’s Watch or even Rhygar Targeryian would.
“Why do you think I came all this way”, sounds like that was Blood Raven or better yet, Vyseris. Coming from Vyseris, that’d be a nod to his banter with Tyrion.
I have not read the books, yet.
Uh, Tyrion says that bran is their memory because he knows all of history. Right? This is….. something
Another banger 👍
I like all of your ideas about the endgame, exept that you forgot one thing: George has already told us that the end will be bittersweet. So all of that stuff about the world tree and a cycle of rebirth may not go so right as you think
I think there should be a new reference book. A Before and After the World of Ice and Fire. It would take more than the ASOIAF books to explain everything.
Bran is the sweet part of the ending. Jon and Dany's fate are the bitter part. Bran rules a new society based on love/humanity, Dany dies and Targaryen legacy dies, Jon Snow lives north of the wall like a "free folk". Jon is a representation of the Targaryen legacy, so he has no place in the new society Bran builds. Kind of like Frodo Baggins. No place in the new world so he leaves it.
It’s so incredibly refreshing to have someone who doesn’t feel the need to endlessly bash the show, but instead uses their intellect to deduce what was really going on and come to an understanding and acceptance of it all.
Fact is if any random person that had no idea of story/book versions of the story or anything watched season 8 they would say it was the most crazy and amazing show ever. But since we all have/had certain expectations and prior/differing knowledge of things we noticed the oddities and shortcomings. The show as a whole deserves a lot more respect than most people try and give it nowadays. That being said PLEASE GIVE US WINDS OF WINTER GEORGE WE ARE DESSSSPPPERRRAAATTTEE! Lol
Interesting theory. I appreciate the D&D in a nutshell version, where there's plenty of ambiguity. Mostly think the magic needs to stay hidden within the final chapters of the books. A lot of people who watched the show don't even care about Bran, the magic, or dragons. They just wanted politics and dialogue. So I agree with D&D's version, with just letting the audience figure it out for themselves.
WHAT!!!
The thing that really bothered me about season 8 is they call them selfs the 7 kingdoms when theres 8 or 9
Riverlands was conquered by Harren the black when Aegon landed in Westeros, so Riverlands doesn't count as an independent kingdom. Crownlands is just the district that the Targaryens rule directly.
@@kevindepuy5390 it's dorne that isn't one of the seven. Either way they can't count
@@grahamthorpe5033 Count them right. Its The North, Vale, Westerlands, Reach, Stormlands, Dorne, and Iron Islands. 7 kingdoms. Crownlands and Riverlands are technically 8th and 9th kingdom, but dont count in the 7 kingodms as previously mentioned. Aegon didnt conquer Dorne but still claimed it as his own.
@@kevindepuy5390 dorne was taken by marriage. Not conquered so there the 8th. 9th is the division between river lands and iron Island. The final council there's 8 kingdoms and they still say 7 and I'm still mad
The first line of the first book thing is just grasping at straws. It is the literary equivalent to number theory or scientology. Sure it seems like it, but there isn't any evidence that the first line has anything to do with the ending of the story.
The first line is just setting the scene by invoking a person's belief that they've been somewhere for too long. It then goes on to further describe the scene as being dark and cold.
It has nothing to do with society or feudal fear and shouldn't be connected to that cause it isn't.
The evidence is that George's literary inspirations include authors that construct their stories as such - either starting with the end, or literally creating the story in a circular manner so that reading the first line after the last line fully completes the intended idea or philosophy.
@@steffurnessit also includes authors who didnt neccessarily do that, its tenuous at best
There isn't any evidence that a line from the books has anything to do with the ending, or overall meaning, of those books? What?
GRRM chose to put that line in there. He even gave it a place of special prominence, as the very first line in the series. That doesn't just happen by accident.
It sounds like you have the same attitude, and level of literacy, as Benioff and Weiss; "That stuff doesn't matter. Themes (and analysis) are just for 8th grade book reports."
Thanks!