CORRECTION: Samantha asked Meghan to support their Father financially in some way when she got the Deal Or No Deal Job not Suits! Apologies. This book didn’t really clear up anything for me 😂 There is probably another video in this one…let me know if you are interested! Actually I might answer any questions or misunderstandings from the comments! 😊 One point to realise is…the Princess Pushy interview kicked off all the negative press at the time It was VERY early days & Samantha states it wasn’t what she meant and it went from bad to worse at that point. No-one really knew about Samantha or Thomas Jr prior to that. It sparked all the drama! 😂
I find it so weird that Meghan was incensed with her father for run-of-the-mill pap shots of him shopping, sitting in a café, going to a gym, and a tailor in preparation for her wedding; that he didn't make it too because of having a heart attack. Then she cuts him off entirely - that's just inhumane.
@@thevintageread me too but maybe Samantha thought she was doing the right thing to help him look his best for the royal wedding. The whole thing must've seemed surreal to Thomas Snr. I think they need to start a prince/ princess school for younger royals to future proof them from a repeat of this fiasco☺ Have a nice day Shauna
mark my words, she will claim victim status when he dies...I"i had to cut him off because of all the abuse i suffered by him as a child" She literally in her blog the tig was praising him and adoring him just before she met h.
Why does it surprise you that Harry never made an effort to meet Thomas Markle? 1) Harry was under the control of his narcissistic fiancé. 2) Maybe being as entitled as he is, he didn't feel the need to meet him or get his blessing. 3) When has Harry *ever* made an effort to do anything.
Meghan’s communication with Harry about her childhood that was completely different than reality! Meghan never pushed the relationship with her family!
And let us not forget the alleged claims of “interference” Meghan allegedly told Harry. Apparently and reportedly both Dan W and Lady C have tape of Tom M refuting those claims since someone in MM’s camp tried to give that story to Lady C for her biography, according to and as reported by Lady C who also points out that once Tom M dies “you can’t libel a dead man”.
@@MsJoybird1same thing with her first or second husband, Trevor. It’s funny once they were married, she never lived with him. Just stayed in. Toronto where suits was shot. Every other actor commuted.
Harry could've made efforts to meet Thomas but MM potentially blocked those efforts for her own reasons. Like Samantha said, maybe to hide lies she'd already been telling.
I absolutely 💯 agree. If anything they needed to help him navigate the media frenzy. How on earth could any regular person, an elderly retired person such as Thomas be able to navigate all that. 🤦🏼♀️ My heart goes out to him, it was very unfair to him to be placed in that position.
Some people complain about her giving interviews and being on social media a lot but she wouldn't be giving interviews if her sister stopped telling lies about her family!! What's Samantha meant to do? Say nothing and let people think the wrong thing or call meagain out for all the lies she spouts!!! Samantha is only defending her family and I would do the same!
This was literally days after their relationship broke. Nothing negative about the family had been said yet. I agree with you later on. Samantha said in her book everything went wrong within days of giving the Princess Pushy interview and she didn’t mean it negatively. That was what I was referring to. Very early on.
@@thevintageread Yes, that seemed over the top right out of the box. Yet, they knew about Trevor, and there was also the prior marriage and annulment. There have been pictures of that too, though she had wanted all of those destroyed. Or so they say. I think I recall Thomas speaking of it. If it is annulled, it is as if it never happened, and that seems like that is the way everyone is treating it. His name is out there and his parents insisted on the annulment. If true, she has had quite a secretive life, and she is only about halfway through it.
I love your channel... Meghan was/is ashamed of her family of origin. Meghan made her father, brother, and sister literally disappear. As an older, slightly overweight man, Thomas didn't fit the rich, fit, successful Princess Dad so he was axed, literally axed.
I think MM didn't want her family around SOLELY because they could refute MM's stories about her life... they all know the actual truth vs MM's 'truth'
I have to disagree. I don’t think it was his looks as much as what he was going to say about the stories she had told about herself. He wasn’t going to be controlled by her and say what she wanted.
When I see Samantha on camera, I am so impressed with her intelligence, eloquence and insights. Plus, can’t help but see her struggle with Multiple Sclerosis! She’s a sympathetic character, unlike her only sister.
Yes that is why I said there were obvious things to admire. However her book came across as 😅inconsistent to me. You probably would have to read it to see what I mean x
@@thevintageread coincidentally I saw Lady C’s review of Samantha’s book. Inasmuch as she respects Samantha, her critique was that the book jumped around topics and generally inconsistent as to the expression of thoughts.
Princess Pushy is a brilliant name for Meghan and so true. When Thomas Jr wrote that public letter to Harry I actually sympathized with MM thinking her family was mean and trouble. Now, we know he was speaking the truth. There’s something about the Markle family though that I don’t like, I can’t put my finger on it. Maybe it’s a trust issue, the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. I do think Samantha is a smart woman, she’s educated and she’s been through a lot with her health struggles. I think she deserves more respect from her narcissistic sister than she gets. Meghan discarded her family like they were spoiled eggs. I don’t know how she’ll live with herself when her father leaves this world.
oh she's put on a show for sure crocodile tear left eye etc then come out with abuse scandals of course. I can't think of any other reason for her or h not getting together. She must have said something to him and h did say she now has the family she always wanted, her ex said the same thing. Something is off for sure.
I felt the same at first because M controlled the press coverage. I'm not sure if my perspective may be skewed because I'm disabled, but I'm wondering if anyone else noticed that M disengages whenever someone's health fails. M stopped speaking to her uncle who got her the embassy internship and his family as soon as he was diagnosed with cancer, not even sending a card when he died. Prior to cutting off her father, he told her he was having health problems and wanted to see her. She said he would have to buy a ticket and fly to see her. She detached from her sister when she first became disabled in high school. In the doc she claimed that she cared for her grandmother at the end, but the family said she hardly ever visited her in the nursing home. They never went to see Prince Philip or the Queen all those months they were dying, especially withholding the children. And her comment that she wouldn't let Prince Philip's illness be used to silence her was atrocious.
All of this could have been avoided if H & M had bundled up her father, flown him to London, had him fitted with a suit and let him attend the wedding. It would have been the right thing to do seeing as she is always stressing 'kindness, compassion’. However she never seems to follow it through. 🤨
I’d love to hear more from Samantha! She’s bright, funny, straight to the point (unlike Meghan), down to Earth, compassionate and beautiful. I’ve listened to her interviews on Shaun Attwood/ Matthew Steeple’s podcast. She really is amazing! If I could find this book, I’d buy it!
But what about her estranged children? There is something weird behind that story, that her own children were raised (and adopted?) be her own parents...
There’s a 15 yr. difference between myself and my youngest sister. I married and left home when she was 6 yrs. old, yet we’ve always remained very close.
My best friend has a little sister with same age gap. They are close. Closer then I am with my sisters. But they are identical. Very close with my step sister. So Smegma is full of it.
Yes I’m sure it is possible! There was a lot of angst between 17 year old Samantha and Doria when Meghan was born so I guess that didn’t help! Your family was probably less dysfunctional?
@@thevintageread 17, I thought Meghan said in court that Samantha was 13 years older than her - that was one of the contributing factors to the speculation of Meghan's age.
@@thevintageread that's debatable. 😂 However, my family has never endured public scrutiny of this nature. In my core values never would I have treated family like Megsy does. Think it's the narcissistic nature of her that greatly divides. 💙 from Niagara Falls, NY this week. The 4 shih tzus are waiting on their "eggies". 😃
Two thoughts come to mind. First, Samantha should never have had to ask Meghan to help with their father's finances. Apparently, Meghan was worth $5 million when she got married. Shouldn't she have been voluntarily helping to support her retired father? Second, it has been known that Meghan acquired security for her mother and counseled her how to handle press intrusion. Why didn't she contribute the same help to her father? If she had, it's likely all the public mess could have been avoided. Thomas never received a formal invitation nor transportation to the wedding, but Doria did. I think that early on, Meghan decided to abandon her father and favor Doria for whatever reason. It all comes back to Meghan's actions or inactions.
This was right at the very beginning when she was just earning her first pay checks from acting. Way before Harry and future wealth. I agree with you wholeheartedly about the principle. But it was just after Deal Or No Deal, very start of suits.
But it was obvious she had an agenda when she asked half of hollywood to her wedding, most she had never even met before making Harry believe her story if being a famous Hollywood actress the star of Suits??? In her mind a Hollywood show rather than just a very minor act in a cable TV Series in Canada. He believed all her lies. Because he is a bit thick to put it mildly.
It always irritates me that Harry never met Meghan’s father. I think Meghan was working overtime on Harry, disparaging his family and then her dad & family. Makes you wonder who’s the more empty vessel.
Totally agree regarding Harry not wanting to meet Thomas. CLEARY she has fed him some whopping big stories. They’d need to serious and significant to convince a partner to never meet an in law and allow his grandchildren to never meet their grandfather.
The fact that the publicists behind the Thomas Sr's unfortunate pics are the same who continue to photograph meghan speaks volumes on why that entire fiasco happened in the first place.
Trevor Phillips, a former Head of Race Relations here in the UK, said recently that Meghan had to 'learn how to be black' once she had entered the RF. She had decided how she was going to play the part, choose projects and visits which supported black activism and, in general, use her mother as chief foil and dump all the white side of the family. Samantha's feelings can only be imagined.
I am 7 and 5 years younger than my sisters. I was always the tag along through their teen years, never allowed in their circle, and was always resented and not unaccepted. But, I matured into an excellent pianist and earned their respect and I never lost the desire to be close to my sisters and worked diligently to “earn” and maintain their love and respect. I believe, the reason why the Markle family is divided is that MM lacks the desire to earn anyone’s respect as she expects it to be given to her. She feels no need to show humility, as she looks down on others demanding their service and offerings. I feel it is only appropriate for Samantha to include all family members by informing them of Thomas’ status and to pull resources from ALL members. Isn’t this what the older child does, especially the one living it? My mom is in a care facility and I want to know how I can help, contribute to giving her the quality of life she worked tirelessly for me to have. It is appalling that MM would find this offensive. MM had exceptional resources to give, she now has so many resources more at her disposal, but can’t give anything back to her father? And we are to believe she is a philanthropist? That she is sincerely giving of her time? No way.
I just want to clarify that the financial phone call was just around Deal or no Deal and very beginning of suits so it was very early days. I agree with you 100% but I was just pointing out that the resentment was understandable as they had very limited contact prior to the call.
I agree with you 100%. Beautiful post. All families have different dynamics; I would add that MMs behavior about not wanting to help (but 1 time) is a mirror to the way America treats their elderly. Most never want to give back; it’s appalling. She consistently tries to keep up with Hollywood and their ‘gotta have the best’ mentality.
I wonder why everyone always discusses Harry’s drug/alcohol abuse….but noone ever mentions Meghan’s drug/alcohol use?? Maybe why she is so lazy…..maybe just hungover??
Harry has talked publicly about his extensive drug use a few times. That is why it's an open subject. We know Meghan, like nearly everyone even remotely connected to show-biz, has indulged in weed in the past--- guests at her wedding to Trevor told Tom Bower about that. We know she likes wine. But past that we really don't know enough about her usage to talk about it.
You can bet she-thing regularly indulges. Lady C, in one of her recent podcasts, mentions that she-thing likes the sauce and it’s definitely a very regular thing. Lady C goes on to say that her own mother, also a narcissist had stick thin legs just like she thing (my own mother, also an alkie, has the same skinny legs). Apparently it’s a ‘thing’ that alcoholic women have these sparrow legs as they get older. Why it happens, she doesn’t know. If I were to guess it’s bc alkies don’t move a lot, hence muscle wastage occurs.
@@asseyez-vous6492It’s so sad “Lady” C is still at it, still trying to remain relevant…lol Please realize these people constantly “discuss” MM *for money*. They need an outraged audience for those clicks… it’s not actually informing you of anything. Anyway, sorry to hear your mother had a problem with addiction.
@@JaneFleesTexasThe thing is Lady C doesn’t just talk of MM. She discusses politics, history & current issues as well. She’s actually quite knowledgeable. I find that information a lot more interesting than anything she says about MM.
@@MandySam13 I was so sucked into the Lady C grift, I bought her book. Couldn’t finish it considering how boring it was. Her “takes” on MM were the basic, anti-SJW right wing nonsense I’ve heard enough about in the US. Considering how much she posed as some “royal insider”, and how bad her opinions over Harry/MM, I doubt her opinions on other issues are reliable. Far better content out there from sources I actually trust.
Look this up-I just wanted to say something about how she acted at a Polo Match that I think Harry was a member of. She was with Harry and their team won I think. They were arranging themselves and the trophy so she would be under it like it was her trophy. She had the biggest perma-grin/smile, clapping for no reason over and over again like a 2-year-old meeting Cinderella, she was on cloud 9, American saying. She was in the center with her child-like expression "Look at me everyone, I'm the most special person here" and they were all looking at her. I've NEVER seen her so happy/giddy, not even on her wedding day. I've only seen clips so maybe I read it wrong but in that clip, wow!! Her Narcissism really was glowing bright at that time.
And ....am I correct anyone,?....is it not true that Harry s team did not actuslly win? Its a cringe worthy video. Once again with her trying tk recreate s Diana occasion.i really think theres something seriously certifiable going on. Its beyond odd. Its unhinged
In Samantha's defence about telling Meghan needing to support her father. This is very characteristic of a much older sibling speaking to a younger one like a 'parent'. Also she was probably annoyed and willing to offend Meghan to make the point. Saying that, I do find the Markle family unfathomable.
Ugh, yes. Just because Meghan is atrocious doesn't mean the others are models of restraint and culture. IMO the only party that has played their cards correctly is the RF, in keeping radio silence except for the absolutely brilliant, all-encompasing phrase we know.
Yes definately I thought the same thing. However I was saying I understood Meghan’s defensive reaction as they really hadn’t had any contact leading up to that call. It is not surprising it didn’t go well 😂
@@Orbital-BeeBop Or... she was so drunk or high that she drunk-dialed the last person she talked to on her phone. That call sounded very odd and 'under the influence'
I watched the recent interview with Samantha, her brother and her father.....I felt sympathy for her as it was obvious she adored her father and yet he seemed uninterested in her. She was like a puppy begging for affection. I am guessing there was a fair amount of resentment towards Meghan and Doria as well....seems Thomas doted on Meghan and spoiled her while his other children were treated like after thoughts.
A large age gap between siblings can make a huge, huge difference. I have a sister 13 years older than me, and it's one of many reasons I have never been close to her. For one thing, she was never around. When I was starting school, she was going to university and living in Europe as an exchange student. We didn't live in the same universe. But what was far worse were the family problems, which she did not perceive in the same way. When she was born, my parents had lost a child and, if anything, were overattached to her and lavished love and affection on her. When they had me, 13 years later, oopsy, it was an "accident" (and my mother made no bones about it - I knew, and she even told me the doctor had to convince her to "go through with it"). Not only that, but my father's mental health problems and alcoholism escalated gradually over the years. My sister insisted my Dad was loving and honorable and didn't drink excessively, but I had to sit across the dinner table from him every night and watch him get plastered, not to mention abusive, particularly towards me. I was the last one left at home, and a ready target. But according to her, he was wonderful and loving. It was as if we had different parents. And we ended up having VERY different paths. She got a university degree but worked at ordinary jobs, went through a lot of men, never married, came back from Europe pregnant (with a fiance waiting for her in Canada), gave it up for adoption, then threw little darts at me because I was "only" a stay-at-home Mom with two beautiful kids (and a wonderful husband!). In her opinion, I was wasting my life as a household drudge. Her jealousy took the form of verbal abuse and what I now understand as gaslighting. When I finally cut off contact, she was bitter, in poor health, and had driven out pretty much everyone in her life. So the tale of two sisters had a very different ending. BTW, I am still married, my kids are still my pride and joy, and I am just as proud of my grandkids!
Thanks so much for your comment! Yes there is 17 years between Samantha and Meghan…different planets! 😂 I appreciate you sharing your very moving story, thank you.
I can TOTALLY relate. My elder 13 year old sister told me I was a mistake and my mother should have had an abortion. Same family scenario but my abusive, Alcoholic father was like that until he died. My mother was an enabler and took prescription drugs to cope. I got scholarships and an education and financial success. My sister has always Scapegoated me. I got sick of her maliciousness and jeslousy and went no contact after my mother died. You deserve praise and happiness. Be happy that those miserable people are out of your life.
Vintage, good review of Samantha's book. She should do a press tour. Clearly, Thomas Markle spoiled his children not realizing the dangers of over indulging and not setting boundaries with a child.
Not odd at all. Meghan believes in controlling and destroying. She could not control Samantha, so she caught hold of the daughter and proceeded to poison the mother daughter relationship.
This video is the first I've seen that looks at the very real difference of perceptions when there is a 17 year age difference. I'm so glad you reviewed this book. Your insights resonate as solid and true.
I really enjoy your insight. You are fair and balanced in your reviews !!!! I like the way you share your thoughts with us. I'm dyslexic, so reading is a struggle, that's why I love how you open books up to those of us who don't read very well. Thanks :)
I do feel sorry for Thomas Sr. They made such a huge deal out of those stupid photos he did and MM had really set him up. On the other hand the whole family seems pretty dysfunctional. So not sure what to trust of what Samantha says. I did read somewhere that Thomas sr was young when he had Samantha and was not prepared to be a dad and felt he could have done better so when Meghan came along he was more mature and over indulged MM to make up for it. So Meghan ended up being quite spoiled. The Markles feel like Meghan lied so much about them that she had to cut them off so nobody would be able to find out the truth at the wedding. It is crazy to think that Meghan only had her mother at the wedding, like not one other family member?! So strange.
Thomas covered Meghan with love and tons of money that was never spent on Thomas Jr. and Samantha. Older siblings feel left out and neglected in their area of love and support. They know that it seems immature to feel jealous, but the reasons are legit. Being a much older sibling is very hard. I know. The little one knows it too, but it empowers them. My little sister was a good kid, but our father, was very loving and kind, and my mom was about equal parts loving and hurtful toward me. Our father died when I was 15. That left mom with a sad, depressed teenager and all that brings, and a 17-month-old. It was tough for her and for me, but my sister was very cute and spunky, bringing my mom and me joy. By the time I was 18 and my little sister was 4 she told me that she would tell Mom I did something (can't remember what it was, but it wasn't true) and added, "She will believe me and not you." We both knew she was right. I feel a lot of sympathy for Sam and Jr. Even normally good little kids see and know their power. Imagine Meghan!
@@thevintageread Samantha's life went downhill quickly looking for love when she left home. Not sure how she was even supporting herself. Did her dad send her to college then? Or did she have to do it later in life?
I actually feel sorry for the Markles. M or H could easily have given them a support person to help them navigate the media attention. Just someone to advise them, not hold their hands but a contact they could talk to about how to handle reporters, which ones were trustworthy, if any, what sort of things they could or should or should not have said. Instead they left them hanging with zero support, supervision or advice. Of course, then they absolutely would have made “ mistakes”, and M would have her justification to “ ice” them. I firmly believe she’s told untruths to H, at least initially, to prevent him from meeting her father. My husband has never met, nor does he wish to meet, my estranged parents, but he has met all my siblings who confirmed my parental abuse. I think Thomas Snr over compensated to his “little Princess “ in a vain but well meaning attempt to make up for the fact that her mother was absent for most of her childhood and early teen years. He admits he created “ the monster”, that is her current attitude and behaviour.
I’m sure I heard that the palace suggested and offered this help for the Markle family but that Harry’s wife turned down the proposition ?? Except for Doria whom she flew over weeks before the wedding and had kitted out at Charles’s expense of course 🤷♀️
It surprises me that Harry never met Thomas Markle, not just before proposing, but before the wedding. Or - at all! He comes from a big extended family, it would have been very natural for Harry to want to meet him. The only possible reason must be that she had besmirched his character and their relationship and steered him away from meeting her dad. In their engagement interview, Harry says Meghan finally has the family she never had. When did “Princess Pushy” come out? Was it after that interview? If so, I suspect it was that comment that infuriated Meghan’s family and started the strife, not the book. Also, why would she say that? Because it makes her a kindred spirit with Harry. “You have no mum, I have no dad, no family at all…. My family doesn’t understand me. I’ve had to be so strong all on my own” etc. Calculated to play on the protective masculine side, get him to be her rescuer and knight in shining armour. Reminding him of Diana. Highly manipulative. With added extra bonus she doesn’t have to see the family that’s she’s ashamed of anymore, who might (and have!) contradict her version of events. Plus I am sure I read somewhere that when she married Trevitty Trev Trev, she arranged it that none of her family could attend as the distance and venue made it too expensive for them. Thomas senior turned up anyway, and was shocked when Trevor made the same comment in his wedding speech. Namely that it was lovely for Meghan to finally have a family of her own. Where did I see that, anybody remember? Looks like she played the same card with Trevor and Harry 🫣🙀
And do you think her being a paid escort on a yacht wasn't embarrassing for Thomas, or rumored connection with Epstein, Ghislane and Prince Andrew before her grift of Harry ?
To be fair to Samantha and Thomas, the father, who would assume that you would lose your lifelong relationship with your child/sister because you made a not ideal decision regarding the media. To have those pictures and what not held against them is just beyond silly. That is just an excuse for a grudge as far as I am concerned. When you look at meghens choices at the time, it is quite a mismatch of behaviours. She won't fix things with her father and sister. She will write a letter but provides 6 copies to other people to ensure it gets released. She rejects the Queens' offer to remain an actor and claims she wants to hit the ground running in service, but still takes on interviews and wants free for exposure private contracts. There is more, but there is a whole list of conundrum actions that make it hard to understand meghens motivation in life aside from meghen.
At no point was I defending Meghan? I was just reading what Samantha conveyed and it gave me an idea how the resentment between them was in place way before Harry! I don’t dispute any of Meghan’s antics. 😊
Your synopsis was well done and the extracts from the book are intriguing. Tell-all, or tell-too-much books like this, though, are tough on families whose relationships are already so fragile.
Oh that was a good one. I agree that the view of the childhood will be different for the two sisters. When there is such a big gap the youngest isnt often aware of the eldest. But I cant help feeling sorry for Samantha because I would think she felt pushed aside by the new baby and add to that fact that as meghan grew and her entitled personality became apparent she must have been a difficult sibling! Was Samantha spoilt the same way though when she was young? That could make it feel worse if all went to a new baby. The family has been shoved in to the limelight - warts and all. I was going to say that any family that was suddenly in the headlines would find it hard but then I thought the Middletons seemed to cope just fine as indeed have Camillas family and the families of the others who have married in to royalty. As for the reason Harry never met Thomas - I believe meghan was behind that so Harry didnt realise he had been spun a load of lies. To this day when things have come out I still think Harry believes meghan over the truth
Other families had help from the RF. The Markles had no one. doria had help but the rest had no one. Its different too as the other families are from the UK so it is totally different than a family in the USA.
She is ashamed of her family, and not just the Markles.. remember she dumped the Ragland family too. One of them wistfully remarked "she has left us all behind". Meghan is COLD.
The only one's in the Markle Family who are making a spectacle of themselves are: Thomas Markle Sr, and the two wretched half-siblings. The other members of the Markle Family have kept quiet.
@@JohnFree007 really??? The 'only' ones??? You don't think being spurned by Spotify, denied by Dior, blanked by Obama, etc etc and all the other PR puff pieces that turn out to be nought isn't creating a 'spectacle' around Meghan????
@JohnFree007 The uncle who arranged the Argentina training also spoke up, and was expecting a wedding invitation which never came. Then when he later passed away, Mm had the cheek to write of her pain at the passing of a much loved uncle!
As a person who deals with elderly mother who is constantly emotional and hurt by my younger sister, I can understand Samantha making bad choices out of desperation. Think what you will I know how hard it is to appease a parent who is hurt and that with the time clouds a good judgement. Day after day.. you just become ready to do anything to stop the drama. I can put myself in Samantha's shoes, I don't think everyone should.
yes the oldest or the middle child. I am the middle child and I was the fixer all the time. I finally had to pull back as my husband insisted as I have my own family to worry about. I just told my ma that I have to distance myself from the drama but that she is the ma and I had to reassure her that it was ok as she was the ma she loves unconditionally but Im a sister and have choices. Messy stuff family drama is.@@Sehara
Great insight into these books. I haven't read it. I clearly remember at the beginning, when the wedding was announced, on the TV, the whole country being in this joyous mood, it's summer too, all the build up to it. The media obviously cant talk directly to the Royals, or sussex duo. So you go to the closest thing, her family. Doria was protected, brought into the fold, not giving interviews. It was a clear assumption by everyone, that they would be attending. They all spoke highly of Meghan, the close relationship she had with their dad. There came a point of realisation, to the media, and family, that they were not getting invited. And really there was no falling out over the year's, they all just led different lives, in different places. So can you imagine as a family, who would never attend an event like this, under any other circumstance, having that opportunity taken, not because of a rift, but just because they don't want you there. You have to remember, an event like this, or spectacle as Meghan called it, there will have been complete strangers, politicians, people from charities, that having nothing to do with you personally. They'll be family of Harry's, Margaret children, grandchildren, distant cousin's, he has nothing to do with, but they were there. I mean George Clooney, etc were there. So would it have been a hardship to invite them, and some from Doria's side, if anything, to make some number's on Meghan's side. Just think how highly they would have spoken of her since, they would have lived of that event till their end. But then when it doesn't happen, of course the knives come out. Meghan and Harry played it all wrong. So he took some pap pics, he wasn't doing anything illegal, offensive. They've done alot worse since. The Royals still invited them to Christmas, Jubilee, Coronation, etc. But they were clearly on their own agenda, look how that's working out for them.
It's so nice to see and hear you, thank you! You're always a joy! 😍 I had written comments about your review (which was great, as usual) but accidentally deleted it so I'm done with that. 😉 It has been a difficult day; this morning the mobile Vet had to come for my 18yo girl, Molly. RIP🐈⬛🌈😢 Love to Winston! He's such a pretty boy. 🐩
The elephant in the room that I can’t get past is how the Queen/the Palace/the “Firm” didn’t step in and put the brakes on this relationship by background checking the Markle family and pretty much insisting on a face-to-face meeting with Meghan’s parents before the engagement announcement was even made. I’m a long way from royal, but I’m pretty sure my parents would have held back the cash for any arrangements until they had met my future in-laws. You’d think that would have been the best way to avoid the messy drama. I know that Catherine had been in William’s life long enough for the families to have met well before the wedding. Am I the only one who is puzzled by this?
When Harry asked the Queens permission to marry Meg, she said to him: Well I guess I will have to say yes. Some are suggesting that Meg told Harry she was pregnant and he had to marry her and that's why they rushed the wedding ( and then she wasn't pregnant after all)
Maybe…Inviting him in was a bridge too far for me because earlier interviews the week before had been a disaster and blown up negatively. It just didn’t ring authentically for me but of course that’s just me, not saying I am right!
When you talk about 'what happened between June and November to change Megs attitude to her father',, i think it would be interesting to know the state of her relationship with Doria. if Doria had been off the radar for a while and suddenly appears in Megs life (and its not uncommon for children in this kind of parental relationship to love the abuser and turn on the 'good parent'), i wonder if it was that Doria appeared and used her own emotional manipulation and guilt "I loved you baby - daddy was a mean man and stopped me seeing you. its daddys fault i went to jail because of the fraud". (if that is the case of course). followed by "you need to make a choice -you can have me there as your mum OR you can have your Dad but you can't have both of us". Regarding her relationships with Samantha.. well.. children don't always remember their younger years. its the teenage years (when they come from a dysfunctional family) that seem to have the strongest impact. if Samantha was absent at that time, then its normal for a person to not put the same value on the relationship. (Sad fact of life). Its also normal for the older sibling who has been acting in a maternal way to try and influence the younger sibling. I must say - it does sound as though MM may have BPD (which can have traits of narcissism and delusions of grandeur or entitlement when not treated). however, if this is the case she takes BPD to whole new levels of sociopathy. (in fact I'm loathe to link her to BPD because they get a bad rap as it is.. so more likely a co-occurring diagnosis that quite likely includes addiction as well. Either way.. total plonker. In regard to the thanksgiving dinner.. i suspect that this was a manipulation by MM.
Sounds like megs had a little to much to drink...if she was fascinated with the tooth brush sounds like doria got around too ....what's that saying like mother like daughter....🥴
I haven't read the book but your review sums it all up for me. I think many families have the 'dysfunction', 'second family' scenario. We often compare in our mind to a 'normal' family. What is 'normal'? I feel for the child Meghan but the adult has autonomy to get sorted! I can say that because I did it! It's doable. Childhood trauma is workable, it's complex but we can do it with good support. You can live a quality adult life. I took my experience and did a degree for psycho therapeutic counselling to support others in their process. Such rewarding work!
I can understand Samantha asking for help with their father. My sister and I share a mother, but I felt all the care etc. came from me, although I was the youngest.
Absolutely! I don’t dispute that. I think people misunderstood what I meant..I was just saying the call came out of the blue a bit so I could understand the defensive reaction. Not saying it wasn’t right in principle just the way it was handled.
Methane is a narcissist. She wasn't praising her father in the article. She was building herself up; "MY FATHER is an award-winning lighting director. I AM a part of Hollywood." "Gaining character traits", as H.G. would say.
Thank you for a walk down memory lane. I saw the book on Bill Collins and it transported me back to when I was a child and watching Bill gives us all the background information on the movie and it’s actors.
@@thevintageread……first saw him on the ABC tv show ‘Roundabout’. There was also a serial on there about an alien which starred Jackie Weaver. I last saw her in ’Yellowstone’ episode as a very hard hitting corporate business woman. She’s done well, over the years’.
So many reasons, but this is my top two thoights... 1 - Harry was desperate to marry, he wanted what William had ie someone who loved him for himself, and someone to share his royal life with, and be a dad .. 2- He met someone whom he discovered had the same attitude, character, and thought waves as him. That they planned the entire escape to leave Britain, and to make their fame and fortune overseas with everything already agreed upon and planned re: interviews, a book etc........ They could have been famous for the right things, and we in the UK would have cheered them on, but then along came the announcement and showing of the interviews, bad mouthing and disclosing private things about their families, lies and that most patronizing curtsey, and that was the start of their downfall. I think Samantha needs to get her words out there, even though people may not believe her every word. She must be raging inside, and deeply hurt with her sister. H&M can do what they like with their lives, but don't rip your family apart in the process. x
If the Thanksgiving dinner was in 2017, Harry visited Jamaica on behalf of the Queen for the Queen's Commonwealth Canopy, where a number of new trees were planted across the Commonwealth to help the Environment. There's a wonderful doc with Her Late Majesty and Sir David Attenborough strolling through the Buckingham Palace Gardens chatting, as only two 90 y.o. can with a lifetime of experience. 🥰
Thanks for this review, this is the kind of book I don't read and won't, thank you for avoiding us suffering by reading it :-) 🙂 I think the whole family is f***ed up, I have seen some moments of the late (last ?) interview of Samantha, Tom & Tom Jr, she seems intelligent but they seem overtaken by this situation, they were not prepared (as the opposite of MM) & they were not equipped to face it. I have some kind of pity for them, it's like they struggled in quicksand.
If I remember correctly, in his book "Revenge", Tom Bower had the photographs of Doria "with" other women (that were supposedly taken by Mr. Markle Sr.), hung on the walls in the home, rather than hidden in Doria's drawers.
My problem with all of this at the time was all H&M had to do was to send help to her family as to how to navigate coming from no attention to they were going to be public figures before the engagement relationship was going to break so they had an idea of how to handle everything that would be happening and I have never understood why H never meet her family. I have had questions from the start about all of this. Thank you so much for another great review 👏👏💗🇦🇺💕💗
Samantha was told to hold tight just for a few days… within those days she did the Princess Pushy interview which she regrets and says in her book was misinterpreted. Samantha had a showbiz background so I guess she could probably handle it better than me! 😂 Interviews were given even before Thomas Markle Sr was discovered unfortunately!
@@thevintageread 👍 I just think it could have been handled better but should never have been allowed by H&M to destroy the family but maybe that was the plan from the beginning. I just would have thought they could have forgiven and understood but well that would have meant they would have compassion for other’s which they don’t tend to have. I just think H&M have to get off their high horse and start thinking in a compassionate manner.👍👏👏💕🇦🇺💕💗💕💗
Suggested to two friends they watch this video...we all agreed it is odd indeed for an engaged couple not to have met each other's parents before the announcement. Red flags when Harry did not meet Thomas Markle.
Something weird about the toothbrush conversation. She'd been working on Suits already, so doesn't that mean she'd been with Trevor for quite a while by then? Why would she find it novel to contemplate her toothbrush in his medecine cabinet...
I totally agree with you. What seems to also happen is whenever she is interviewed she goes on to a point where she has to be cut off. But the "young kid" story seems bizarre. I wish Samantha AND Meghan/Harry would have acted differently. And the dad story was sad...
I have to say, I tried to read Samantha’s book and the poor thing needed a good editor. It was almost unreadable. It was truly all over the place. I used to get paid to edit court documents and audit reports. But it takes a special person to be a good book editor. Although I would have at least made it a little more readable I think. Had I known her predicament, I would have tried to edit it for free.
I couldn’t agree with you more. I have mixed feelings about Samantha. She’s quite insightful about her sister. But when asked about her own daughter, who was raised by someone else, she gets quite defensive. Yes, she may have had good reason to make that difficult decision, but, at the same time, as a therapist, she must be able to understand how it hurt her daughter. Same as how she can’t see that her experience growing up with M is different than M’s because S was so much older. She has a blind spot.
Families are made up of all different personalities - many which would never be friends outside the family. But few do the MM trashing of their own relatives to others especially on the global scale. You invite them to the wedding and then go to your own homes.
G’day, mate.😁 Hi Shauna ~ Thanks for this one! I’m sure MM’s sister had a real relationship, at one time. It seems though, they were estranged before MM met H. I have no idea why but it wouldn’t surprise me if it was over money. I’ve “heard” by the end of her acting in Canada, she was making $50 thousand per episode. ((I doubt she made that much the 1st couple seasons. Maybe between $20-$30 thousand an episode?)) Although, I can’t imagine me making that kind of money and NOT helping some of my siblings & were my parents alive, I’d help them, too. I said, “…some of my siblings” not because I’m a witch, but because a few already have over a million. (I’m one of 9. 7 “boys” & 2 “girls.”) but MM doesn’t seem to be generous or good hearted towards her family. That she’s reached middle age without accruing any wisdom, I don’t think she’ll change. OH, God!! She has menopause coming up. I think we should be prepared to buckle up! Thanks, again! Cheers! Patty fm Philly.
If you talking about Samatha? My dad does not want me to look after him the whole time. He hate to have me as a "100% babysitter." He is happy having a maid to come to clean his house every two weeks nothing more. He wants to cook himself. To have the sense of independent. My mom passed away years ago. I leave him alone, just talk to talk on some things. We agreed if anything change on him, like real bad health issues, Hospice. Just like with my mom. Men are little more emotional bottled up than women when it comes to health issues. My mom once stated to me as she battled the cancer and lost the battle, she appreciated my concerns, stated" I would love to have my husband take care of me more" which he did. More personal for her. But, however, parents just want to be acknowledged to be recognized as when you say hello. or visit. Not the burdens.
Sisters are weird. I've had to ask my sisters to help out with mom when I just can't do it all financially anymore (mom also has a pension, but still could use more help). I live in the same state, so they dont see the day to day difficulty). I would get blown off and excuses and denials. Eventually they did step up a bit each, but in the interim we certainly kept in contact lovingly and weren't arguing and never stopped talking or anything. Sisters can disagree on a thing and still not disagree on all things or let it do any real damage to the relationship. I get the frustration Samantha felt. I've been there (except my 2 Sisters are lovely people and do help when they can. None of us are pulling in MM tv show money. Lol)
The ILBW would've found another reason to freeze out her dad. I didn't realise that Samantha was behind the dad's photoshoot - wasn't that the one done by the pap who has worked with the ILBW? I always thought the younger sister had set it up to entrap her dad into doing the deed which would give her an excuse to freeze him out. It would've been impossible for her to keep him around or, for that matter, anyone familiar with her actual life history. She has told way too many lies to have him in her life forever risking her cover being blown (even without knowing it). Doria was safe because she was so absent for so long in her daughter's life.
@@thevintagereadit's weird they'd use the same paps isn't it? Perhaps the guy cold-called all the Markles, maybe even at the suggestion/initiation of the ILBW; and Samantha took the bait because she thought the dad could improve his public image after being denigrated by the younger sister's lies? {Love your videos....}
Samantha had/has every right to tell her sister its time to help our father!! Harry's first wife didn't want the royal family to know she had a very privileged life!! I hope Samantha wins this court case and she wins a lot of money!!
I just watched a clip from a Ray Darcy interview with Samantha from five years ago. In that interview, Samantha says that despite what the media is saying, Harry did meet Thomas Markle Sr. and asked to marry Meghan. Now they're saying that Mr. Markle Sr. has never met Harry. All of the Markles have had so many different stories and tales that I'm at the point where I really don't trust anything they say or their motives. Thomas Markle Jr. has said some horrendous things about his father before rallying by his side. I think they should have taken up the motto of never complain, never explain.
My older boys were born in 86 and 87. We adopted a daughter in 2001 when she was two. We had our younger boys in 04 and 08. I actually have a grandson who is 70 days younger than my youngest. Same hospital, same doctor and same delivery room. My sons and daughter and daughter and son in law are all very close. They have a family discord channel. They play team video games together. Well the boys do. My grandson and 18 yr old are best friends more than uncle and nephew. He has 3 younger sisters and one more due in about 3 weeks or so. He will come over here to have "estrogen free " weekends. Oldest son l8ves 2 hours away but comes up every 4/6 months. Daughter and sil come up about the same. They are pregnant with 4&5. They have made it a point to be close. Even if its just on the computer or over the phone. My dil is my daughter love her just as much as one of my own. Its that way with my sil. They have only been together 4 years but it didnt long when i saw him look at my daughter with love in his eyes...and i know what a ...well... i know how she can be. Nuture doesn't always win. But as her brain finishes maturing and now being bonus mom and mom to 2 and 2 more on the way she is going to be great. But still they are all trying to be as close as they can. They know family is all you really have. A strong, loving and compassionate family is more important than all the gold that ever could be mined. So i dont let ppl who are siblings but separated by a decade or more off the hook. Nope. Its like any relationship you have to want it. You have to value it. Yes sometimes you have a person that doesn't want it or like meagain is toxic person and you cant be around them. But to just write it off as to big of an age gap. My best friend since middle school was the youngest in her family, the "holy cow we can still do that " baby. Her next sibling was 12 years older. Was it difficult sometimes? Yes but her siblings and her parents wanted it, valued it and fed it. Nope i give no passes on it except like any relationship where there is a toxic person but that not age related.
I just finished the book. I felt very emotionally at the end. Samantha is brave and trustful. Not like Meghan. Especially the harm done to his father. Unforgivable.
Samantha has a lot of book knowledge about criminology and psychology but she can’t get away from that sordid family she came from. The grift is strong in this family and now all the Markle’s are making money going on podcasts, making documentaries, I believe Thomas Jr has his own awful TH-cam channel all on the connection to Meghan and the Royals. They reveal some things but they really don’t say much that is relevant. The mystery of Doria and her roots and the juicy tidbits are always deflected. I don’t think they know that much about Meghan or Doria or if they do, they are afraid to tell. I think Samantha is a sympathetic figure but she never discusses her life or her children or why her father and all of them had at one time declared bankruptcy. I find this a lot in highly dysfunctional families. All the Markle’s have secrets that they infuriatingly refuse to reveal and to me this is very suspect and very telling about the environment that Meghan grew up in and why she turned into the grasping women of non- substance she is.
Apart from family dysfunction and sibling rivalry, and older kids expecting the wealthier, healthier youngest child would and should feel it her duty to take care of their father. The difference between loud-mouthed Americans versus tight-lipped Brits is mainly down to cultural and class differences.
As I recall, Meghan did mention her Daddy in the engagement interview...Definitely not a big deal but I believe she did say that Harry had not met her Dad "yet"
Still, you get remembrances. My father died when I was three, but my family let me know how much he loved me. M should have heard the same from her dad. M is a money hungry ,would rather get an expensive Rolex watch than help with medical bill for her father.
All families grow in seasons; but most genuine, authentic and normal people still love their people- include their people and consider their people. I don’t think or believe MM is ashamed of her family; I think she is so in love with herself that no one matters to her but herself, her needs and her selfish desires.
I hear people loving aunty and uncle's very deeply . Most aunts and uncle's don't live with you but they are still considered close loving family members. Why do people count the time Samantha spent with meghan and conclude that there was no relationship
I don’t doubt the love Samantha had towards the baby/toddler Meghan but I don’t see evidence of a lot of closeness as she grew, so I put that down to the age difference and maybe Doria and Thomas’s divorce!
I think dealing with the world press for the first time. Could be like baptism by fire. Pulling you this why and that. Telling you stories to get yours. It would be tough. As an older sister to a much younger sister, same parents 16 yrs apart. Noone in between, your family but not close. Family matters need to be discussed. It's hard to bond with so many yrs between you. The different parenting styles, etc. Anyways, take care and have fun!!! 😎😄😎
Don't get me wrong : Meghan is very far from my cup of tea, but listening to your presentation about Samantha's book (and, by the way, thanks for reading it so we don't have to 😉), I get the feeling that this book is Samantha's attempt at looking completely innocent. It finally makes her look a bit slow. When you are at such a high level of learning in the field of sociology and as articulate as Samantha is (and you watch a bit of the News), you must know that no matter how young the voice of the journalist, the experience will be the same as with the other "older" journalists. I think that this family is composed of either very naive/gullible people or celebrity hungry people. Maybe both. The whole thing is just sad.
I know my opinions aren't very popular but I can't help feel that Sam, who is an intelligent principled woman, played her hand all wrong. Had she been silent & not criticised her sister all over the media, used the law but remained silent in public, not published a book (that was hyped up but ended up a damp squib), not made a film with her father & brother as a criticism vehicle... then her own lies - yes, of which there were plenty & she's admitted it!...about what transpired between Meghan & her father would not have raised question marks against her. These things matter & will matter when the court case comes into play. I feel for Sam but she's done a good deal to hurt her own case & credibility. By being so vocal publicly she's done much the same as what she claims her sister has done, venting in public. She's been very badly advised throughout.
What happened? Two months and father markle gets into tears and depresssion, what exactly happened in this 2 months? (Just before the engagement) Other event: Sam phones and speaks to sister about care for daddy.... Two weeks later, bizar toothbrush event in bathroom... That is similar to prins Harry talking to wastebin isnt it? He mentions it in his book, or is it his wife writings? Its similar...
There seems to be a pattern with H & M - Harry was 'spaced out' in Courtney Cox's bathroom and Meghan was 'spaced out' in Trevor's bathroom. How romantic!
hmm I think you're right about Samantha Markle - I'm not sure I believe that 'story' about the 'softly spoken person' whom she 'automatically trusted'... that does sound a bit 'fishy' to me. There seems to be 'editing' of the stories being told *but then we KNOW that the younger Markle tells lots and lots of lies. I would like to hear more about this book and your opinions.
I am seeing this through the eyes of the younger sibling knowing the much older sibling should have taken more responsibility rather than expecting the younger to do everything.
CORRECTION: Samantha asked Meghan to support their Father financially in some way when she got the Deal Or No Deal Job not Suits! Apologies.
This book didn’t really clear up anything for me 😂 There is probably another video in this one…let me know if you are interested! Actually I might answer any questions or misunderstandings from the comments! 😊 One point to realise is…the Princess Pushy interview kicked off all the negative press at the time It was VERY early days & Samantha states it wasn’t what she meant and it went from bad to worse at that point. No-one really knew about Samantha or Thomas Jr prior to that. It sparked all the drama! 😂
Definitely interested in more! Thank you💕
Yes! 🎉
Was it worth reading?
Yes, another video please.
None of those questions seem to be addressed in this book!
I find it so weird that Meghan was incensed with her father for run-of-the-mill pap shots of him shopping, sitting in a café, going to a gym, and a tailor in preparation for her wedding; that he didn't make it too because of having a heart attack. Then she cuts him off entirely - that's just inhumane.
I agree and I made a video about it. I was shocked to read Samantha arranged it! But that is what she states in her book.
@@thevintageread me too but maybe Samantha thought she was doing the right thing to help him look his best for the royal wedding. The whole thing must've seemed surreal to Thomas Snr. I think they need to start a prince/ princess school for younger royals to future proof them from a repeat of this fiasco☺ Have a nice day Shauna
MeeeAgain set up those pap shots!
How else but to cut him off after such a betrayal. He’s dead to her😂
mark my words, she will claim victim status when he dies...I"i had to cut him off because of all the abuse i suffered by him as a child" She literally in her blog the tig was praising him and adoring him just before she met h.
Why does it surprise you that Harry never made an effort to meet Thomas Markle? 1) Harry was under the control of his narcissistic fiancé. 2) Maybe being as entitled as he is, he didn't feel the need to meet him or get his blessing. 3) When has Harry *ever* made an effort to do anything.
Meghan’s communication with Harry about her childhood that was completely different than reality! Meghan never pushed the relationship with her family!
You might have a point 😂
And let us not forget the alleged claims of “interference” Meghan allegedly told Harry. Apparently and reportedly both Dan W and Lady C have tape of Tom M refuting those claims since someone in MM’s camp tried to give that story to Lady C for her biography, according to and as reported by Lady C who also points out that once Tom M dies “you can’t libel a dead man”.
@@MsJoybird1same thing with her first or second husband, Trevor. It’s funny once they were married, she never lived with him. Just stayed in. Toronto where suits was shot. Every other actor commuted.
@@rachmunshine9474 Trever had met her family.
Harry could've made efforts to meet Thomas but MM potentially blocked those efforts for her own reasons. Like Samantha said, maybe to hide lies she'd already been telling.
I absolutely 💯 agree. If anything they needed to help him navigate the media frenzy. How on earth could any regular person, an elderly retired person such as Thomas be able to navigate all that. 🤦🏼♀️ My heart goes out to him, it was very unfair to him to be placed in that position.
@@chanelv5373or, to keep his sex tourism stories quiet. His passport would be stamped w trips to Thailand.
@@patricia7606 yes,yuk!
If Harry did as so e have suggested, Nutmeg would have made his life miserable.
Some people complain about her giving interviews and being on social media a lot but she wouldn't be giving interviews if her sister stopped telling lies about her family!! What's Samantha meant to do? Say nothing and let people think the wrong thing or call meagain out for all the lies she spouts!!! Samantha is only defending her family and I would do the same!
This was literally days after their relationship broke. Nothing negative about the family had been said yet. I agree with you later on. Samantha said in her book everything went wrong within days of giving the Princess Pushy interview and she didn’t mean it negatively. That was what I was referring to. Very early on.
@@thevintageread Yes, that seemed over the top right out of the box. Yet, they knew about Trevor, and there was also the prior marriage and annulment. There have been pictures of that too, though she had wanted all of those destroyed. Or so they say. I think I recall Thomas speaking of it. If it is annulled, it is as if it never happened, and that seems like that is the way everyone is treating it. His name is out there and his parents insisted on the annulment. If true, she has had quite a secretive life, and she is only about halfway through it.
Megmutt is the liar!!!
I love your channel...
Meghan was/is ashamed of her family of origin. Meghan made her father, brother, and sister literally disappear. As an older, slightly overweight man, Thomas didn't fit the rich, fit, successful Princess Dad so he was axed, literally axed.
Yes I made a video about that 😊
It’s very sad isn’t it .
I think if Thomas was an older man in the George Clooney style it would have been a different story.
I think MM didn't want her family around SOLELY because they could refute MM's stories about her life... they all know the actual truth vs MM's 'truth'
I have to disagree. I don’t think it was his looks as much as what he was going to say about the stories she had told about herself. He wasn’t going to be controlled by her and say what she wanted.
When I see Samantha on camera, I am so impressed with her intelligence, eloquence and insights.
Plus, can’t help but see her struggle with Multiple Sclerosis! She’s a sympathetic character, unlike her only sister.
I can’t help but see her Meghan’s strong resemblance to her.
I wholeheartedly agree.
She certainly does not act like a victim, despite her MS!
Yes that is why I said there were obvious things to admire. However her book came across as 😅inconsistent to me. You probably would have to read it to see what I mean x
@@thevintageread coincidentally I saw Lady C’s review of Samantha’s book. Inasmuch as she respects Samantha, her critique was that the book jumped around topics and generally inconsistent as to the expression of thoughts.
Princess Pushy is a brilliant name for Meghan and so true. When Thomas Jr wrote that public letter to Harry I actually sympathized with MM thinking her family was mean and trouble. Now, we know he was speaking the truth. There’s something about the Markle family though that I don’t like, I can’t put my finger on it. Maybe it’s a trust issue, the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. I do think Samantha is a smart woman, she’s educated and she’s been through a lot with her health struggles. I think she deserves more respect from her narcissistic sister than she gets. Meghan discarded her family like they were spoiled eggs. I don’t know how she’ll live with herself when her father leaves this world.
oh she's put on a show for sure crocodile tear left eye etc then come out with abuse scandals of course. I can't think of any other reason for her or h not getting together. She must have said something to him and h did say she now has the family she always wanted, her ex said the same thing. Something is off for sure.
Narcissistic people only think of themselves, so it won't move her.
I must admit i initially thought Samantha was a jealous gold digger trying to cash in on her sister. I certainly dont think that now
Yes initially the Markels did seem to capitalise on the royal connection. But time does show the family disfunctionality
She and Thomas both have a touch of narc. (Family trait!), but they are believable if unlikeable.
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For me the fascination with the whole debacle began when I observed the controlling and coercive behaviour.
The narrative is inconsistent in the book…Maybe I examine too closely…😂
I felt the same at first because M controlled the press coverage. I'm not sure if my perspective may be skewed because I'm disabled, but I'm wondering if anyone else noticed that M disengages whenever someone's health fails. M stopped speaking to her uncle who got her the embassy internship and his family as soon as he was diagnosed with cancer, not even sending a card when he died. Prior to cutting off her father, he told her he was having health problems and wanted to see her. She said he would have to buy a ticket and fly to see her. She detached from her sister when she first became disabled in high school. In the doc she claimed that she cared for her grandmother at the end, but the family said she hardly ever visited her in the nursing home. They never went to see Prince Philip or the Queen all those months they were dying, especially withholding the children. And her comment that she wouldn't let Prince Philip's illness be used to silence her was atrocious.
Mehan’s biggest mistake was snobbing her family! They know her’s secrets.
Samantha’s been talking about these skeletons in the closet since 2016, please name them.
All of this could have been avoided if H & M had bundled up her father, flown him to London, had him fitted with a suit and let him attend the wedding. It would have been the right thing to do seeing as she is always stressing 'kindness, compassion’. However she never seems to follow it through. 🤨
I'm pretty sure that they didn't want him there.
I’d love to hear more from Samantha! She’s bright, funny, straight to the point (unlike Meghan), down to Earth, compassionate and beautiful. I’ve listened to her interviews on Shaun Attwood/ Matthew Steeple’s podcast. She really is amazing! If I could find this book, I’d buy it!
It is available on Amazon 😊
My local library has it. If yours doesn't, they'll actually borrow it from other libraries, or even order it if other people have been requesting it.
Maybe Meghan has always been secretely jealous of Samantha, maybe the same way she hates and is jealous of Katherine.
But what about her estranged children? There is something weird behind that story, that her own children were raised (and adopted?) be her own parents...
She's also very educated.
There’s a 15 yr. difference between myself and my youngest sister. I married and left home when she was 6 yrs. old, yet we’ve always remained very close.
My best friend has a little sister with same age gap. They are close. Closer then I am with my sisters. But they are identical. Very close with my step sister. So Smegma is full of it.
Yes I’m sure it is possible! There was a lot of angst between 17 year old Samantha and Doria when Meghan was born so I guess that didn’t help! Your family was probably less dysfunctional?
The Markle’s were never a close family. Thomas Jr, recently admitted that he hadn’t seen Samantha in over 15 years
@@thevintageread 17, I thought Meghan said in court that Samantha was 13 years older than her - that was one of the contributing factors to the speculation of Meghan's age.
@@thevintageread that's debatable. 😂 However, my family has never endured public scrutiny of this nature. In my core values never would I have treated family like Megsy does. Think it's the narcissistic nature of her that greatly divides.
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Two thoughts come to mind. First, Samantha should never have had to ask Meghan to help with their father's finances. Apparently, Meghan was worth $5 million when she got married. Shouldn't she have been voluntarily helping to support her retired father?
Second, it has been known that Meghan acquired security for her mother and counseled her how to handle press intrusion. Why didn't she contribute the same help to her father? If she had, it's likely all the public mess could have been avoided.
Thomas never received a formal invitation nor transportation to the wedding, but Doria did.
I think that early on, Meghan decided to abandon her father and favor Doria for whatever reason. It all comes back to Meghan's actions or inactions.
This was right at the very beginning when she was just earning her first pay checks from acting. Way before Harry and future wealth. I agree with you wholeheartedly about the principle. But it was just after Deal Or No Deal, very start of suits.
She preferred Doria because (1) she liked flashing the race card and (2) she can control Doria much more easily than her father.
Def the Race card thing…
Not true. This was addressed five years ago when Harry and Meghan spoke to Thomas Markle on the phone. It's in the public records.
But it was obvious she had an agenda when she asked half of hollywood to her wedding, most she had never even met before making Harry believe her story if being a famous Hollywood actress the star of Suits??? In her mind a Hollywood show rather than just a very minor act in a cable TV Series in Canada. He believed all her lies. Because he is a bit thick to put it mildly.
It always irritates me that Harry never met Meghan’s father. I think Meghan was working overtime on Harry, disparaging his family and then her dad & family. Makes you wonder who’s the more empty vessel.
It does!
Yes he should have insisted on meeting him...plus Charles should have met the family too
@@LET337 the King of England walked Meghan down the aisle though so I think that was nice gesture in her father’s absence😊
@@avm9647 I bet he regrets it
Why would it "irritate" you?....you don't know these people!
Totally agree regarding Harry not wanting to meet Thomas. CLEARY she has fed him some whopping big stories. They’d need to serious and significant to convince a partner to never meet an in law and allow his grandchildren to never meet their grandfather.
Sounds like Meg drunk dialed her sister from Trevor’s bathroom (or high)
Yep 😂
The fact that the publicists behind the Thomas Sr's unfortunate pics are the same who continue to photograph meghan speaks volumes on why that entire fiasco happened in the first place.
Yes it is so weird Samantha said she arranged it in her book…I was shocked!
@@thevintageread Meghan probably give her the info to find the paps!
Trevor Phillips, a former Head of Race Relations here in the UK, said recently that Meghan had to 'learn how to be black' once she had entered the RF. She had decided how she was going to play the part, choose projects and visits which supported black activism and, in general, use her mother as chief foil and dump all the white side of the family. Samantha's feelings can only be imagined.
I am 7 and 5 years younger than my sisters. I was always the tag along through their teen years, never allowed in their circle, and was always resented and not unaccepted. But, I matured into an excellent pianist and earned their respect and I never lost the desire to be close to my sisters and worked diligently to “earn” and maintain their love and respect.
I believe, the reason why the Markle family is divided is that MM lacks the desire to earn anyone’s respect as she expects it to be given to her. She feels no need to show humility, as she looks down on others demanding their service and offerings. I feel it is only appropriate for Samantha to include all family members by informing them of Thomas’ status and to pull resources from ALL members. Isn’t this what the older child does, especially the one living it?
My mom is in a care facility and I want to know how I can help, contribute to giving her the quality of life she worked tirelessly for me to have. It is appalling that MM would find this offensive. MM had exceptional resources to give, she now has so many resources more at her disposal, but can’t give anything back to her father? And we are to believe she is a philanthropist? That she is sincerely giving of her time? No way.
I just want to clarify that the financial phone call was just around Deal or no Deal and very beginning of suits so it was very early days. I agree with you 100% but I was just pointing out that the resentment was understandable as they had very limited contact prior to the call.
I can't stand Megaliar, but I did read in Tom Bowers's book that she gave T snr thousands. She actually kept a record of how much she gave him.
@@thevintageread that’s fair… thank you for this channel, it is refreshing! 🥰
I agree with you 100%. Beautiful post. All families have different dynamics; I would add that MMs behavior about not wanting to help (but 1 time) is a mirror to the way America treats their elderly. Most never want to give back; it’s appalling. She consistently tries to keep up with Hollywood and their ‘gotta have the best’ mentality.
@@janhorton5197would you trust that?
I wonder why everyone always discusses Harry’s drug/alcohol abuse….but noone ever mentions Meghan’s drug/alcohol use?? Maybe why she is so lazy…..maybe just hungover??
Harry has talked publicly about his extensive drug use a few times. That is why it's an open subject.
We know Meghan, like nearly everyone even remotely connected to show-biz, has indulged in weed in the past--- guests at her wedding to Trevor told Tom Bower about that. We know she likes wine. But past that we really don't know enough about her usage to talk about it.
You can bet she-thing regularly indulges. Lady C, in one of her recent podcasts, mentions that she-thing likes the sauce and it’s definitely a very regular thing. Lady C goes on to say that her own mother, also a narcissist had stick thin legs just like she thing (my own mother, also an alkie, has the same skinny legs). Apparently it’s a ‘thing’ that alcoholic women have these sparrow legs as they get older. Why it happens, she doesn’t know. If I were to guess it’s bc alkies don’t move a lot, hence muscle wastage occurs.
@@asseyez-vous6492It’s so sad “Lady” C is still at it, still trying to remain relevant…lol
Please realize these people constantly “discuss” MM *for money*. They need an outraged audience for those clicks… it’s not actually informing you of anything. Anyway, sorry to hear your mother had a problem with addiction.
@@JaneFleesTexasThe thing is Lady C doesn’t just talk of MM. She discusses politics, history & current issues as well. She’s actually quite knowledgeable. I find that information a lot more interesting than anything she says about MM.
@@MandySam13 I was so sucked into the Lady C grift, I bought her book. Couldn’t finish it considering how boring it was. Her “takes” on MM were the basic, anti-SJW right wing nonsense I’ve heard enough about in the US. Considering how much she posed as some “royal insider”, and how bad her opinions over Harry/MM, I doubt her opinions on other issues are reliable. Far better content out there from sources I actually trust.
Look this up-I just wanted to say something about how she acted at a Polo Match that I think Harry was a member of. She was with Harry and their team won I think. They were arranging themselves and the trophy so she would be under it like it was her trophy. She had the biggest perma-grin/smile, clapping for no reason over and over again like a 2-year-old meeting Cinderella, she was on cloud 9, American saying. She was in the center with her child-like expression "Look at me everyone, I'm the most special person here" and they were all looking at her. I've NEVER seen her so happy/giddy, not even on her wedding day. I've only seen clips so maybe I read it wrong but in that clip, wow!! Her Narcissism really was glowing bright at that time.
Yes I am very aware! 😂 Samantha’s book is very early on… most of this hadn’t really gone down yet!
And probably high as a kite
they did not win it was a photo op. but yeah quite the joker grin.
And ....am I correct anyone,?....is it not true that Harry s team did not actuslly win? Its a cringe worthy video. Once again with her trying tk recreate s Diana occasion.i really think theres something seriously certifiable going on. Its beyond odd. Its unhinged
In Samantha's defence about telling Meghan needing to support her father. This is very characteristic of a much older sibling speaking to a younger one like a 'parent'. Also she was probably annoyed and willing to offend Meghan to make the point.
Saying that, I do find the Markle family unfathomable.
Ugh, yes. Just because Meghan is atrocious doesn't mean the others are models of restraint and culture.
IMO the only party that has played their cards correctly is the RF, in keeping radio silence except for the absolutely brilliant, all-encompasing phrase we know.
Yes definately I thought the same thing. However I was saying I understood Meghan’s defensive reaction as they really hadn’t had any contact leading up to that call. It is not surprising it didn’t go well 😂
Thank you, I find the entire family appalling.
@@Orbital-BeeBop Or... she was so drunk or high that she drunk-dialed the last person she talked to on her phone. That call sounded very odd and 'under the influence'
Yep
I watched the recent interview with Samantha, her brother and her father.....I felt sympathy for her as it was obvious she adored her father and yet he seemed uninterested in her. She was like a puppy begging for affection. I am guessing there was a fair amount of resentment towards Meghan and Doria as well....seems Thomas doted on Meghan and spoiled her while his other children were treated like after thoughts.
Yes I noticed that too!
Thats a really interesting observation
Yet who are the ones tending to Thomas.. Thomas Jr. the most. Samantha lives in Florida.
How come Harry could pay for Meghan to be flown over to the US for Thanksgiving but he couldn’t afford to buy nice furniture for Nott Cottage?
A large age gap between siblings can make a huge, huge difference. I have a sister 13 years older than me, and it's one of many reasons I have never been close to her. For one thing, she was never around. When I was starting school, she was going to university and living in Europe as an exchange student. We didn't live in the same universe. But what was far worse were the family problems, which she did not perceive in the same way. When she was born, my parents had lost a child and, if anything, were overattached to her and lavished love and affection on her. When they had me, 13 years later, oopsy, it was an "accident" (and my mother made no bones about it - I knew, and she even told me the doctor had to convince her to "go through with it"). Not only that, but my father's mental health problems and alcoholism escalated gradually over the years. My sister insisted my Dad was loving and honorable and didn't drink excessively, but I had to sit across the dinner table from him every night and watch him get plastered, not to mention abusive, particularly towards me. I was the last one left at home, and a ready target. But according to her, he was wonderful and loving. It was as if we had different parents. And we ended up having VERY different paths. She got a university degree but worked at ordinary jobs, went through a lot of men, never married, came back from Europe pregnant (with a fiance waiting for her in Canada), gave it up for adoption, then threw little darts at me because I was "only" a stay-at-home Mom with two beautiful kids (and a wonderful husband!). In her opinion, I was wasting my life as a household drudge. Her jealousy took the form of verbal abuse and what I now understand as gaslighting. When I finally cut off contact, she was bitter, in poor health, and had driven out pretty much everyone in her life. So the tale of two sisters had a very different ending. BTW, I am still married, my kids are still my pride and joy, and I am just as proud of my grandkids!
Thanks so much for your comment! Yes there is 17 years between Samantha and Meghan…different planets! 😂 I appreciate you sharing your very moving story, thank you.
My husband's sister was 21 years older than him and had her own children. He has never denied her existence
I can TOTALLY relate. My elder 13 year old sister told me I was a mistake and my mother should have had an abortion. Same family scenario but my abusive, Alcoholic father was like that until he died. My mother was an enabler and took prescription drugs to cope. I got scholarships and an education and financial success. My sister has always Scapegoated me. I got sick of her maliciousness and jeslousy and went no contact after my mother died. You deserve praise and happiness. Be happy that those miserable people are out of your life.
Vintage, good review of Samantha's book. She should do a press tour. Clearly, Thomas Markle spoiled his children not realizing the dangers of over indulging and not setting boundaries with a child.
But doesn't anyone find it odd that Meghan went out of her way to bond with Samantha's daughter?
Yes! I guess so close in age?
Not odd at all. Meghan believes in controlling and destroying. She could not control Samantha, so she caught hold of the daughter and proceeded to poison the mother daughter relationship.
And lie to the trusting Neice about not being able to invite her to the wedding. Pahleez🤥😳
@@thevintageread No. Megan was befriending her Niece to get at Samantha. There is no one she won’t manipulate, or if whom she is not jealous. 🤢
Absolutely!!! So much that MM does just proves how manipulative she is. She’s like what they call ‘a mean girl’.
This video is the first I've seen that looks at the very real difference of perceptions when there is a 17 year age difference. I'm so glad you reviewed this book. Your insights resonate as solid and true.
Thanks x
I really enjoy your insight. You are fair and balanced in your reviews !!!! I like the way you share your thoughts with us. I'm dyslexic, so reading is a struggle, that's why I love how you open books up to those of us who don't read very well. Thanks :)
I appreciate that!
I do feel sorry for Thomas Sr. They made such a huge deal out of those stupid photos he did and MM had really set him up. On the other hand the whole family seems pretty dysfunctional. So not sure what to trust of what Samantha says. I did read somewhere that Thomas sr was young when he had Samantha and was not prepared to be a dad and felt he could have done better so when Meghan came along he was more mature and over indulged MM to make up for it. So Meghan ended up being quite spoiled. The Markles feel like Meghan lied so much about them that she had to cut them off so nobody would be able to find out the truth at the wedding. It is crazy to think that Meghan only had her mother at the wedding, like not one other family member?! So strange.
I agree! ❤
Thomas covered Meghan with love and tons of money that was never spent on Thomas Jr. and Samantha. Older siblings feel left out and neglected in their area of love and support. They know that it seems immature to feel jealous, but the reasons are legit. Being a much older sibling is very hard. I know. The little one knows it too, but it empowers them. My little sister was a good kid, but our father, was very loving and kind, and my mom was about equal parts loving and hurtful toward me. Our father died when I was 15. That left mom with a sad, depressed teenager and all that brings, and a 17-month-old. It was tough for her and for me, but my sister was very cute and spunky, bringing my mom and me joy. By the time I was 18 and my little sister was 4 she told me that she would tell Mom I did something (can't remember what it was, but it wasn't true) and added, "She will believe me and not you." We both knew she was right. I feel a lot of sympathy for Sam and Jr. Even normally good little kids see and know their power. Imagine Meghan!
Yes I feel sorry for them too that is why I explained about them being pushed out.
@@thevintageread Samantha's life went downhill quickly looking for love when she left home. Not sure how she was even supporting herself. Did her dad send her to college then? Or did she have to do it later in life?
I actually feel sorry for the Markles. M or H could easily have given them a support person to help them navigate the media attention. Just someone to advise them, not hold their hands but a contact they could talk to about how to handle reporters, which ones were trustworthy, if any, what sort of things they could or should or should not have said. Instead they left them hanging with zero support, supervision or advice. Of course, then they absolutely would have made “ mistakes”, and M would have her justification to “ ice” them. I firmly believe she’s told untruths to H, at least initially, to prevent him from meeting her father. My husband has never met, nor does he wish to meet, my estranged parents, but he has met all my siblings who confirmed my parental abuse. I think Thomas Snr over compensated to his “little Princess “ in a vain but well meaning attempt to make up for the fact that her mother was absent for most of her childhood and early teen years. He admits he created “ the monster”, that is her current attitude and behaviour.
I’m sure I heard that the palace suggested and offered this help for the Markle family but that Harry’s wife turned down the proposition ?? Except for Doria whom she flew over weeks before the wedding and had kitted out at Charles’s expense of course 🤷♀️
The family, including MMEEE were out of their comfort zone , totally unprepared for the direction of events .
It surprises me that Harry never met Thomas Markle, not just before proposing, but before the wedding. Or - at all! He comes from a big extended family, it would have been very natural for Harry to want to meet him. The only possible reason must be that she had besmirched his character and their relationship and steered him away from meeting her dad.
In their engagement interview, Harry says Meghan finally has the family she never had.
When did “Princess Pushy” come out? Was it after that interview? If so, I suspect it was that comment that infuriated Meghan’s family and started the strife, not the book.
Also, why would she say that?
Because it makes her a kindred spirit with Harry. “You have no mum, I have no dad, no family at all…. My family doesn’t understand me. I’ve had to be so strong all on my own” etc. Calculated to play on the protective masculine side, get him to be her rescuer and knight in shining armour. Reminding him of Diana.
Highly manipulative. With added extra bonus she doesn’t have to see the family that’s she’s ashamed of anymore, who might (and have!) contradict her version of events.
Plus I am sure I read somewhere that when she married Trevitty Trev Trev, she arranged it that none of her family could attend as the distance and venue made it too expensive for them. Thomas senior turned up anyway, and was shocked when Trevor made the same comment in his wedding speech. Namely that it was lovely for Meghan to finally have a family of her own.
Where did I see that, anybody remember?
Looks like she played the same card with Trevor and Harry 🫣🙀
Megan was embarrassed of her family, I think the markles didn’t know how to deal with publicity
Samantha worked for a radio station, she knows exactly what she’s doing. Samantha describes herself as a big mouth in her twitter profile.
And do you think her being a paid escort on a yacht wasn't embarrassing for Thomas, or rumored connection with Epstein, Ghislane and Prince Andrew before her grift of Harry ?
To be fair to Samantha and Thomas, the father, who would assume that you would lose your lifelong relationship with your child/sister because you made a not ideal decision regarding the media. To have those pictures and what not held against them is just beyond silly. That is just an excuse for a grudge as far as I am concerned. When you look at meghens choices at the time, it is quite a mismatch of behaviours. She won't fix things with her father and sister. She will write a letter but provides 6 copies to other people to ensure it gets released. She rejects the Queens' offer to remain an actor and claims she wants to hit the ground running in service, but still takes on interviews and wants free for exposure private contracts. There is more, but there is a whole list of conundrum actions that make it hard to understand meghens motivation in life aside from meghen.
At no point was I defending Meghan? I was just reading what Samantha conveyed and it gave me an idea how the resentment between them was in place way before Harry! I don’t dispute any of Meghan’s antics. 😊
@@thevintageread I didn't think that you were defending meghen. I like what you post . I am amazed at how similar meghen and Samantha look.
Your synopsis was well done and the extracts from the book are intriguing. Tell-all, or tell-too-much books like this, though, are tough on families whose relationships are already so fragile.
Oh that was a good one. I agree that the view of the childhood will be different for the two sisters. When there is such a big gap the youngest isnt often aware of the eldest. But I cant help feeling sorry for Samantha because I would think she felt pushed aside by the new baby and add to that fact that as meghan grew and her entitled personality became apparent she must have been a difficult sibling! Was Samantha spoilt the same way though when she was young? That could make it feel worse if all went to a new baby. The family has been shoved in to the limelight - warts and all. I was going to say that any family that was suddenly in the headlines would find it hard but then I thought the Middletons seemed to cope just fine as indeed have Camillas family and the families of the others who have married in to royalty. As for the reason Harry never met Thomas - I believe meghan was behind that so Harry didnt realise he had been spun a load of lies. To this day when things have come out I still think Harry believes meghan over the truth
Other families had help from the RF. The Markles had no one. doria had help but the rest had no one. Its different too as the other families are from the UK so it is totally different than a family in the USA.
She is ashamed of her family, and not just the Markles.. remember she dumped the Ragland family too. One of them wistfully remarked "she has left us all behind". Meghan is COLD.
She’s a narcissist and was fast climbing the ladder. Anyone who was on the way and had no use for Meghan she kicked them out
I'm thinking all of the Markles have both good and bad sides...Samantha strikes me as more intelligent but less cunning than Meghan 🤔😏
The only one's in the Markle Family who are making a spectacle of themselves are: Thomas Markle Sr, and the two wretched half-siblings.
The other members of the Markle Family have kept quiet.
@@JohnFree007 really??? The 'only' ones??? You don't think being spurned by Spotify, denied by Dior, blanked by Obama, etc etc and all the other PR puff pieces that turn out to be nought isn't creating a 'spectacle' around Meghan????
@JohnFree007 The uncle who arranged the Argentina training also spoke up, and was expecting a wedding invitation which never came. Then when he later passed away, Mm had the cheek to write of her pain at the passing of a much loved uncle!
@@lynnnad5268 ah the pain of needing constant attention...🙄🤔😎
@@lynnnad5268 I think she told the world that her uncle had died when Harry was in the UK for Prince Phillips Funeral.
As a person who deals with elderly mother who is constantly emotional and hurt by my younger sister, I can understand Samantha making bad choices out of desperation. Think what you will I know how hard it is to appease a parent who is hurt and that with the time clouds a good judgement. Day after day.. you just become ready to do anything to stop the drama. I can put myself in Samantha's shoes, I don't think everyone should.
I did too that s why I emphasised her getting the upsetting calls and her trying to fix everything.
@@thevintageread yes, usually the oldest child is the fixer, caregiver. Looking forward to more of your analysis, thank you!
yes the oldest or the middle child. I am the middle child and I was the fixer all the time. I finally had to pull back as my husband insisted as I have my own family to worry about. I just told my ma that I have to distance myself from the drama but that she is the ma and I had to reassure her that it was ok as she was the ma she loves unconditionally but Im a sister and have choices. Messy stuff family drama is.@@Sehara
Thank you…
Yes part two please…..
Great insight into these books. I haven't read it. I clearly remember at the beginning, when the wedding was announced, on the TV, the whole country being in this joyous mood, it's summer too, all the build up to it. The media obviously cant talk directly to the Royals, or sussex duo. So you go to the closest thing, her family. Doria was protected, brought into the fold, not giving interviews. It was a clear assumption by everyone, that they would be attending. They all spoke highly of Meghan, the close relationship she had with their dad. There came a point of realisation, to the media, and family, that they were not getting invited. And really there was no falling out over the year's, they all just led different lives, in different places. So can you imagine as a family, who would never attend an event like this, under any other circumstance, having that opportunity taken, not because of a rift, but just because they don't want you there. You have to remember, an event like this, or spectacle as Meghan called it, there will have been complete strangers, politicians, people from charities, that having nothing to do with you personally. They'll be family of Harry's, Margaret children, grandchildren, distant cousin's, he has nothing to do with, but they were there. I mean George Clooney, etc were there. So would it have been a hardship to invite them, and some from Doria's side, if anything, to make some number's on Meghan's side. Just think how highly they would have spoken of her since, they would have lived of that event till their end. But then when it doesn't happen, of course the knives come out. Meghan and Harry played it all wrong. So he took some pap pics, he wasn't doing anything illegal, offensive. They've done alot worse since. The Royals still invited them to Christmas, Jubilee, Coronation, etc. But they were clearly on their own agenda, look how that's working out for them.
It's so nice to see and hear you, thank you! You're always a joy! 😍 I had written comments about your review (which was great, as usual) but accidentally deleted it so I'm done with that. 😉 It has been a difficult day; this morning the mobile Vet had to come for my 18yo girl, Molly. RIP🐈⬛🌈😢 Love to Winston! He's such a pretty boy. 🐩
Sorry for your loss ❤
@@PJ-Sparkles Aw. Thank you very much!
Sorry for your loss, that is extremely hard
I'm so sorry. I had to have my 20yo girl euthanized 6 weeks ago 😢
@memdy7542 💔💔💔💔 I’m so so sorry about your beautiful Molly. What a beautiful life you gave her, a life of love. Big big hugs to you. xxxxxxxxx
The elephant in the room that I can’t get past is how the Queen/the Palace/the “Firm” didn’t step in and put the brakes on this relationship by background checking the Markle family and pretty much insisting on a face-to-face meeting with Meghan’s parents before the engagement announcement was even made. I’m a long way from royal, but I’m pretty sure my parents would have held back the cash for any arrangements until they had met my future in-laws. You’d think that would have been the best way to avoid the messy drama. I know that Catherine had been in William’s life long enough for the families to have met well before the wedding. Am I the only one who is puzzled by this?
When Harry asked the Queens permission to marry Meg, she said to him: Well I guess I will have to say yes. Some are suggesting that Meg told Harry she was pregnant and he had to marry her and that's why they rushed the wedding ( and then she wasn't pregnant after all)
I believe Harry's wife was arresting she was pregnant. HMTQ may have already been ill. Finally someone willing to marry Harry
I suspect Meghan was pretending to be pregnant and threatening all sorts of dirty scandals - playing the race card for all it was worth too
Also I heard it was suggested to Queen Elizabeth that if she didn't say yes it would be deemed "racist ".
In my opinion the mistake Samantha made having the journo come to the house was that she thought she was controlling the outcome.
Maybe…Inviting him in was a bridge too far for me because earlier interviews the week before had been a disaster and blown up negatively. It just didn’t ring authentically for me but of course that’s just me, not saying I am right!
When you talk about 'what happened between June and November to change Megs attitude to her father',, i think it would be interesting to know the state of her relationship with Doria. if Doria had been off the radar for a while and suddenly appears in Megs life (and its not uncommon for children in this kind of parental relationship to love the abuser and turn on the 'good parent'), i wonder if it was that Doria appeared and used her own emotional manipulation and guilt "I loved you baby - daddy was a mean man and stopped me seeing you. its daddys fault i went to jail because of the fraud". (if that is the case of course). followed by "you need to make a choice -you can have me there as your mum OR you can have your Dad but you can't have both of us". Regarding her relationships with Samantha.. well.. children don't always remember their younger years. its the teenage years (when they come from a dysfunctional family) that seem to have the strongest impact. if Samantha was absent at that time, then its normal for a person to not put the same value on the relationship. (Sad fact of life). Its also normal for the older sibling who has been acting in a maternal way to try and influence the younger sibling. I must say - it does sound as though MM may have BPD (which can have traits of narcissism and delusions of grandeur or entitlement when not treated). however, if this is the case she takes BPD to whole new levels of sociopathy. (in fact I'm loathe to link her to BPD because they get a bad rap as it is.. so more likely a co-occurring diagnosis that quite likely includes addiction as well. Either way.. total plonker. In regard to the thanksgiving dinner.. i suspect that this was a manipulation by MM.
Awesome job! Thank you for sharing this with us!
Thank you! Cheers!
Sounds like megs had a little to much to drink...if she was fascinated with the tooth brush sounds like doria got around too ....what's that saying like mother like daughter....🥴
She was high, not drunk. 😊
Ya I realized that now but still not a good look🥴
I haven't read the book but your review sums it all up for me. I think many families have the 'dysfunction', 'second family' scenario. We often compare in our mind to a 'normal' family. What is 'normal'? I feel for the child Meghan but the adult has autonomy to get sorted! I can say that because I did it! It's doable. Childhood trauma is workable, it's complex but we can do it with good support. You can live a quality adult life. I took my experience and did a degree for psycho therapeutic counselling to support others in their process. Such rewarding work!
I’m sure it is rewarding and very important work!
I can understand Samantha asking for help with their father. My sister and I share a mother, but I felt all the care etc. came from me, although I was the youngest.
Absolutely! I don’t dispute that. I think people misunderstood what I meant..I was just saying the call came out of the blue a bit so I could understand the defensive reaction. Not saying it wasn’t right in principle just the way it was handled.
Methane is a narcissist. She wasn't praising her father in the article. She was building herself up; "MY FATHER is an award-winning lighting director. I AM a part of Hollywood." "Gaining character traits", as H.G. would say.
Thank you for a walk down memory lane. I saw the book on Bill Collins and it transported me back to when I was a child and watching Bill gives us all the background information on the movie and it’s actors.
Loved Bill Collins as a kid!
@@thevintageread……first saw him on the ABC tv show ‘Roundabout’. There was also a serial on there about an alien which starred Jackie Weaver. I last saw her in ’Yellowstone’ episode as a very hard hitting corporate business woman. She’s done well, over the years’.
So many reasons, but this is my top two thoights... 1 - Harry was desperate to marry, he wanted what William had ie someone who loved him for himself, and someone to share his royal life with, and be a dad .. 2- He met someone whom he discovered had the same attitude, character, and thought waves as him. That they planned the entire escape to leave Britain, and to make their fame and fortune overseas with everything already agreed upon and planned re: interviews, a book etc........ They could have been famous for the right things, and we in the UK would have cheered them on, but then along came the announcement and showing of the interviews, bad mouthing and disclosing private things about their families, lies and that most patronizing curtsey, and that was the start of their downfall.
I think Samantha needs to get her words out there, even though people may not believe her every word. She must be raging inside, and deeply hurt with her sister. H&M can do what they like with their lives, but don't rip your family apart in the process. x
If the Thanksgiving dinner was in 2017, Harry visited Jamaica on behalf of the Queen for the Queen's Commonwealth Canopy, where a number of new trees were planted across the Commonwealth to help the Environment. There's a wonderful doc with Her Late Majesty and Sir David Attenborough strolling through the Buckingham Palace Gardens chatting, as only two 90 y.o. can with a lifetime of experience. 🥰
That was a wonderful documentary!
never complain. never explain. much wisdom in those 4 little words. great show, Shauna. Thanks for your hard work on our behalf
My pleasure!
Thanks for this review, this is the kind of book I don't read and won't, thank you for avoiding us suffering by reading it :-) 🙂
I think the whole family is f***ed up, I have seen some moments of the late (last ?) interview of Samantha, Tom & Tom Jr, she seems intelligent but they seem overtaken by this situation, they were not prepared (as the opposite of MM) & they were not equipped to face it. I have some kind of pity for them, it's like they struggled in quicksand.
If I remember correctly, in his book "Revenge", Tom Bower had the photographs of Doria "with" other women (that were supposedly taken by Mr. Markle Sr.), hung on the walls in the home, rather than hidden in Doria's drawers.
There was one of Doria nude, tastefully shot on the wall…according to Samantha! 😂
@@thevintageread good grief! Who does that? And everyone could see it?? Strange people!
My problem with all of this at the time was all H&M had to do was to send help to her family as to how to navigate coming from no attention to they were going to be public figures before the engagement relationship was going to break so they had an idea of how to handle everything that would be happening and I have never understood why H never meet her family. I have had questions from the start about all of this. Thank you so much for another great review 👏👏💗🇦🇺💕💗
Samantha was told to hold tight just for a few days… within those days she did the Princess Pushy interview which she regrets and says in her book was misinterpreted. Samantha had a showbiz background so I guess she could probably handle it better than me! 😂 Interviews were given even before Thomas Markle Sr was discovered unfortunately!
@@thevintageread 👍 I just think it could have been handled better but should never have been allowed by H&M to destroy the family but maybe that was the plan from the beginning. I just would have thought they could have forgiven and understood but well that would have meant they would have compassion for other’s which they don’t tend to have. I just think H&M have to get off their high horse and start thinking in a compassionate manner.👍👏👏💕🇦🇺💕💗💕💗
Suggested to two friends they watch this video...we all agreed it is odd indeed for an engaged couple not to have met each other's parents before the announcement. Red flags when Harry did not meet Thomas Markle.
Red flags indeed!
Why should a relationship be established when Meghan knew Samantha from the time she was born!!
Something weird about the toothbrush conversation. She'd been working on Suits already, so doesn't that mean she'd been with Trevor for quite a while by then? Why would she find it novel to contemplate her toothbrush in his medecine cabinet...
Unless high Meg was fishing for Samantha to ask “Why?” so she could say “Because I’m going to be leaving him…”
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She was high! 🚬🌿💨
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Weren't they already married by then? The timing of that story must be off.
I totally agree with you. What seems to also happen is whenever she is interviewed she goes on to a point where she has to be cut off. But the "young kid" story seems bizarre. I wish Samantha AND Meghan/Harry would have acted differently. And the dad story was sad...
Yes it was sad…
@@carolmiller9066 lol right? If she gave different types of interviews her story would sit a lot better with me
I have to say, I tried to read Samantha’s book and the poor thing needed a good editor. It was almost unreadable. It was truly all over the place. I used to get paid to edit court documents and audit reports. But it takes a special person to be a good book editor. Although I would have at least made it a little more readable I think. Had I known her predicament, I would have tried to edit it for free.
Yes it was inconsistent and the timeline was hard to follow.
I listened to you because your voice is just so calming
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I couldn’t agree with you more. I have mixed feelings about Samantha. She’s quite insightful about her sister. But when asked about her own daughter, who was raised by someone else, she gets quite defensive. Yes, she may have had good reason to make that difficult decision, but, at the same time, as a therapist, she must be able to understand how it hurt her daughter. Same as how she can’t see that her experience growing up with M is different than M’s because S was so much older. She has a blind spot.
Families are made up of all different personalities - many which would never be friends outside the family. But few do the MM trashing of their own relatives to others especially on the global scale. You invite them to the wedding and then go to your own homes.
True!
You mean ‘normal’ people! 😂
Thanks!
Welcome! Thank you 😊
I like your down to earth unbiased approach & analysis. Love to hear more if you were going to do another.
This Wednesday BIG special edition and then that is it for that story!
@@thevintageread thank you. I’m new to your Chanel & love your approach. It’s honestly so refreshing!!
G’day, mate.😁
Hi Shauna ~ Thanks for this one! I’m sure MM’s sister had a real relationship, at one time. It seems though, they were estranged before MM met H. I have no idea why but it wouldn’t surprise me if it was over money. I’ve “heard” by the end of her acting in Canada, she was making $50 thousand per episode. ((I doubt she made that much the 1st couple seasons. Maybe between $20-$30 thousand an episode?))
Although, I can’t imagine me making that kind of money and NOT helping some of my siblings & were my parents alive, I’d help them, too. I said, “…some of my siblings” not because I’m a witch, but because a few already have over a million. (I’m one of 9. 7 “boys” & 2 “girls.”) but MM doesn’t seem to be generous or good hearted towards her family.
That she’s reached middle age without accruing any wisdom, I don’t think she’ll change.
OH, God!! She has menopause coming up. I think we should be prepared to buckle up! Thanks, again! Cheers!
Patty fm Philly.
I love your comments Patty, so entertaining 🤗💗
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Shauna, you’re very kind, too!😃
She should have helped her Father. She is just selfish and only looks after Megan.
If you talking about Samatha? My dad does not want me to look after him the whole time. He hate to have me as a "100% babysitter." He is happy having a maid to come to clean his house every two weeks nothing more. He wants to cook himself. To have the sense of independent. My mom passed away years ago. I leave him alone, just talk to talk on some things. We agreed if anything change on him, like real bad health issues, Hospice. Just like with my mom. Men are little more emotional bottled up than women when it comes to health issues. My mom once stated to me as she battled the cancer and lost the battle, she appreciated my concerns, stated" I would love to have my husband take care of me more" which he did. More personal for her. But, however, parents just want to be acknowledged to be recognized as when you say hello. or visit. Not the burdens.
If you are talking of Samantha - she has multiple sclerosis - a real debilitating disease, unlike meghan's fabricated problems.
@SuperStella1111, that's sad if they do and they have family selfish
Sisters are weird. I've had to ask my sisters to help out with mom when I just can't do it all financially anymore (mom also has a pension, but still could use more help). I live in the same state, so they dont see the day to day difficulty). I would get blown off and excuses and denials. Eventually they did step up a bit each, but in the interim we certainly kept in contact lovingly and weren't arguing and never stopped talking or anything. Sisters can disagree on a thing and still not disagree on all things or let it do any real damage to the relationship. I get the frustration Samantha felt. I've been there (except my 2 Sisters are lovely people and do help when they can. None of us are pulling in MM tv show money. Lol)
Yes I agree! But my point was there wasn’t a lot of communication or contact between them before the money call! 😂
The ILBW would've found another reason to freeze out her dad. I didn't realise that Samantha was behind the dad's photoshoot - wasn't that the one done by the pap who has worked with the ILBW? I always thought the younger sister had set it up to entrap her dad into doing the deed which would give her an excuse to freeze him out. It would've been impossible for her to keep him around or, for that matter, anyone familiar with her actual life history. She has told way too many lies to have him in her life forever risking her cover being blown (even without knowing it). Doria was safe because she was so absent for so long in her daughter's life.
So did I but Samantha is upfront in her book that she arranged it, but it went wrong!
@@thevintagereadit's weird they'd use the same paps isn't it? Perhaps the guy cold-called all the Markles, maybe even at the suggestion/initiation of the ILBW; and Samantha took the bait because she thought the dad could improve his public image after being denigrated by the younger sister's lies? {Love your videos....}
Samantha had/has every right to tell her sister its time to help our father!! Harry's first wife didn't want the royal family to know she had a very privileged life!! I hope Samantha wins this court case and she wins a lot of money!!
There just is something shady about the whole family, nothing adds up from either side.
😂😂😂. Pictures of Doria with other women? I bet her dad was the camera man.
I have heard on other channels/sources that was, allegedly, the case. Tom Sr, was known, allegedly, to pursue that type of photography.
My aunt was 14 yrs older than me. We were always close and good friends. I miss her every day
Seeing Meghan talk about her father before and after she got together with Harry you would think that she was talking about 2 different people.
Set up too! Yes Shauna. You have pretty saavy instincts.
I just watched a clip from a Ray Darcy interview with Samantha from five years ago. In that interview, Samantha says that despite what the media is saying, Harry did meet Thomas Markle Sr. and asked to marry Meghan. Now they're saying that Mr. Markle Sr. has never met Harry. All of the Markles have had so many different stories and tales that I'm at the point where I really don't trust anything they say or their motives. Thomas Markle Jr. has said some horrendous things about his father before rallying by his side. I think they should have taken up the motto of never complain, never explain.
My older boys were born in 86 and 87. We adopted a daughter in 2001 when she was two. We had our younger boys in 04 and 08. I actually have a grandson who is 70 days younger than my youngest. Same hospital, same doctor and same delivery room. My sons and daughter and daughter and son in law are all very close. They have a family discord channel. They play team video games together. Well the boys do. My grandson and 18 yr old are best friends more than uncle and nephew. He has 3 younger sisters and one more due in about 3 weeks or so. He will come over here to have "estrogen free " weekends. Oldest son l8ves 2 hours away but comes up every 4/6 months. Daughter and sil come up about the same. They are pregnant with 4&5. They have made it a point to be close. Even if its just on the computer or over the phone. My dil is my daughter love her just as much as one of my own. Its that way with my sil. They have only been together 4 years but it didnt long when i saw him look at my daughter with love in his eyes...and i know what a ...well... i know how she can be. Nuture doesn't always win. But as her brain finishes maturing and now being bonus mom and mom to 2 and 2 more on the way she is going to be great. But still they are all trying to be as close as they can. They know family is all you really have. A strong, loving and compassionate family is more important than all the gold that ever could be mined. So i dont let ppl who are siblings but separated by a decade or more off the hook. Nope. Its like any relationship you have to want it. You have to value it. Yes sometimes you have a person that doesn't want it or like meagain is toxic person and you cant be around them. But to just write it off as to big of an age gap.
My best friend since middle school was the youngest in her family, the "holy cow we can still do that " baby. Her next sibling was 12 years older. Was it difficult sometimes? Yes but her siblings and her parents wanted it, valued it and fed it. Nope i give no passes on it except like any relationship where there is a toxic person but that not age related.
A wonderful voice to listen too. Thanks.
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That family is a nest of vipers, I think.
I just finished the book. I felt very emotionally at the end. Samantha is brave and trustful. Not like Meghan. Especially the harm done to his father. Unforgivable.
Samantha has a lot of book knowledge about criminology and psychology but she can’t get away from that sordid family she came from. The grift is strong in this family and now all the Markle’s are making money going on podcasts, making documentaries, I believe Thomas Jr has his own awful TH-cam channel all on the connection to Meghan and the Royals. They reveal some things but they really don’t say much that is relevant. The mystery of Doria and her roots and the juicy tidbits are always deflected. I don’t think they know that much about Meghan or Doria or if they do, they are afraid to tell. I think Samantha is a sympathetic figure but she never discusses her life or her children or why her father and all of them had at one time declared bankruptcy. I find this a lot in highly dysfunctional families. All the Markle’s have secrets that they infuriatingly refuse to reveal and to me this is very suspect and very telling about the environment that Meghan grew up in and why she turned into the grasping women of non- substance she is.
Yes please Shauna.
Apart from family dysfunction and sibling rivalry, and older kids expecting the wealthier, healthier youngest child would and should feel it her duty to take care of their father.
The difference between loud-mouthed Americans versus tight-lipped Brits is mainly down to cultural and class differences.
As I recall, Meghan did mention her Daddy in the engagement interview...Definitely not a big deal but I believe she did say that Harry had not met her Dad "yet"
Still, you get remembrances. My father died when I was three, but my family let me know how much he loved me. M should have heard the same from her dad. M is a money hungry ,would rather get an expensive Rolex watch than help with medical bill for her father.
All families grow in seasons; but most genuine, authentic and normal people still love their people- include their people and consider their people. I don’t think or believe MM is ashamed of her family; I think she is so in love with herself that no one matters to her but herself, her needs and her selfish desires.
I hear people loving aunty and uncle's very deeply . Most aunts and uncle's don't live with you but they are still considered close loving family members. Why do people count the time Samantha spent with meghan and conclude that there was no relationship
I don’t doubt the love Samantha had towards the baby/toddler Meghan but I don’t see evidence of a lot of closeness as she grew, so I put that down to the age difference and maybe Doria and Thomas’s divorce!
I think dealing with the world press for the first time. Could be like baptism by fire. Pulling you this why and that. Telling you stories to get yours. It would be tough. As an older sister to a much younger sister, same parents 16 yrs apart. Noone in between, your family but not close. Family matters need to be discussed. It's hard to bond with so many yrs between you. The different parenting styles, etc. Anyways, take care and have fun!!! 😎😄😎
Don't get me wrong : Meghan is very far from my cup of tea, but listening to your presentation about Samantha's book (and, by the way, thanks for reading it so we don't have to 😉), I get the feeling that this book is Samantha's attempt at looking completely innocent. It finally makes her look a bit slow. When you are at such a high level of learning in the field of sociology and as articulate as Samantha is (and you watch a bit of the News), you must know that no matter how young the voice of the journalist, the experience will be the same as with the other "older" journalists. I think that this family is composed of either very naive/gullible people or celebrity hungry people. Maybe both. The whole thing is just sad.
I know my opinions aren't very popular but I can't help feel that Sam, who is an intelligent principled woman, played her hand all wrong. Had she been silent & not criticised her sister all over the media, used the law but remained silent in public, not published a book (that was hyped up but ended up a damp squib), not made a film with her father & brother as a criticism vehicle... then her own lies - yes, of which there were plenty & she's admitted it!...about what transpired between Meghan & her father would not have raised question marks against her. These things matter & will matter when the court case comes into play. I feel for Sam but she's done a good deal to hurt her own case & credibility. By being so vocal publicly she's done much the same as what she claims her sister has done, venting in public. She's been very badly advised throughout.
Wise comment!
What happened? Two months and father markle gets into tears and depresssion, what exactly happened in this 2 months? (Just before the engagement)
Other event: Sam phones and speaks to sister about care for daddy.... Two weeks later, bizar toothbrush event in bathroom... That is similar to prins Harry talking to wastebin isnt it? He mentions it in his book, or is it his wife writings? Its similar...
Love the Aussie perspective. From Canada.
Awesome! Thank you!
There seems to be a pattern with H & M - Harry was 'spaced out' in Courtney Cox's bathroom and Meghan was 'spaced out' in Trevor's bathroom. How romantic!
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hmm I think you're right about Samantha Markle - I'm not sure I believe that 'story' about the 'softly spoken person' whom she 'automatically trusted'... that does sound a bit 'fishy' to me. There seems to be 'editing' of the stories being told *but then we KNOW that the younger Markle tells lots and lots of lies. I would like to hear more about this book and your opinions.
I wish you could all read it with me!
M set her father up !!!
I am seeing this through the eyes of the younger sibling knowing the much older sibling should have taken more responsibility rather than expecting the younger to do everything.
Same 😂