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I cheat all the time at MTG. I slip in a Snorlax every now and then just to throw my opponent off, then buff it with a 3 of Clubs.
I can stop that play with mirror force
gotta throw in some Yu-Gi-Oh just for good measure
Enkarashaddam Not in a tournament setting. Triple Triad cards are OK though.
Finally, rook takes knight...
oh my fucking god you are legend bro!
What's the point in having a judge if he'll not notice it? Don't be a judge then if you'll let soemthing like that pass. -.-
Digging the music. If I'm not mistaken it's a piano version of It's Time to Say Goodbye.
"What turn is it?"
"Two Explores."
He didn't even answer the question.
Lewis Uh, yeah, that's exactly what I was alluding to.
Can't they sue this guy for the prizes he wrongfully won and take them back plus more? And if so why don't they? Plus ban him from all mtg tournaments forever.
+guyoflife I don't know why, he could be easily sued for fraud. But the only punishment for cheating in mtg is a slap on the wrist and a "you can't play with us anymore"
+Zacjacob Made me laugh more then it should xD
not unless they have hard evidence he won by cheating, cheating and not winning the tourney won't do it
I could never cheat. To me, The game can never be so serious to the point of having to resort to cheating..that just means that your a sore loser who can't take the L...haha
I've accidentally cheated before. I mulled to 6 but still drew 7 and scryed. Neither of noticed until I decided to count my cards on turn 4. I placed my cards down and called a judge.
What song is that playing in the breaks
You know he could have just run a third kira like a normal person, but the commentators brush over Kira twice, he returns it to the hand they just are confused and carry on then he plays a third Kira and they know he only has 2 but then go back to talk about Jace
I've seen a good few videos now of people questionably cheating and I have to say this Kira thing is the most blatant example I've ever seen. There is no way you could possibly not notice that you returned it to your hand, even if you didn't until the next turn, a click would go off in any player's mind saying "Oh, this died last turn, it should be in the graveyard.", not "I should replay this card again.". I think almost everyone has accidentally attempted to play an additional land in some game or another out of complete ignorance rather than willful dishonesty, so that is much harder to prove, but the Kira thing is as straight-forward as it gets. Is this guy still not banned?
1:19 Makes me so sick and angry. Alex knowingly cheats and then looks at his opponent with a smirky "What a loser! I just got away with it ON CAMERA in front judges and he has no clue."
I cant catch where either one cheats....I 100% believe they did, I'm just having a hard time picking it up on the video
Whats up with the idle airplane music? lol
I'd recognize that tune anywhere. RWBY FANS UNITE!!
I love your background song
what's the song? its really catchy
I'd love to be a judge at a MTG tournament. I'd dress up as an umpire and if I found anyone cheating I would eject them faster than Bryce Harper gets ejected.
When he played to two explores, why did he also pick up the deck and place a card at the bottom of it?
sadly, in my expirence cheating is olmost encourage'd in many sanctioned event's. between cheating that's so rampant it's more common than fair play, card's that are literaly made to ruin the game, and the visable moral and social collapse of much of the magic community on a fundamental level it's no wonder that so many 90's player's(like me) find modern mtg an offence to the spirit and concept that made it so great to begin with.
Just having Kira in your deck equals cheating
What's with the 2 Explores cheat? I didn't follow...
Can someone explain the Explore 'cheat' to me? I thought multiple Explore was cumulative. He started at three land. Then land for the turn, Explore, draw, land, Explore, draw then land. This would put him at six land which he indeed has at the end of his turn. What am I missing? Was there an errata on the card rules since the time of this vid?
He only cast 1 explore that turn, the other one he had cast the turn before, he played the land for explore, played aome draw spell and then played another draw spell and played an additional land
Javaris Jamar Javarison-Lamar wait no he played 1 explore and 1 draw spell but then played 2 lands
He played 3 lands that turn off only 1 explore. The other was already in his graveyard from another turn. Watch the video. He throws down the third land right at the end of turn extremely fast and deliberately and made quick hand motions to distract the opponent.
He is playing a lot lands for one round :-) Explore is not exactly an enchantment ;)
That RWBY music playing in this video :).
I knew that was what it was
He even gives his opponent a quick glance to see if he is paying attention to the third land he slams after he passes his turn, that slick bastard.(
Nice RWBY music
Wasn't he banned for cheating over a year. Then after his ban he got caught cheating again the last clip of him playing to many lands? It crazy he try's with judges and camera watching.
Are you telling me you have a limited amount of total land, or a limited amount of times you can place land?
Jesse Lukes Well not exactly. He had 3 lands on the field. He plays his 4th, allowing him to play Explore to play his 5th land. He draws a card from Explore and plays Preordain, allowing him to scry 2 and draw a card. He checks his graveyard for the number of Explores in there. But after that, he plays his 6th land and passes the turn. When the opponents asks what turn it is, he says "two explores". However his 6th land, presumably off a second Explore, except that he did NOT play a second Explore that turn.
Basically, he acted as if he played two copies of Explore when he only played one. The cameraman pointed it out but Alex just shrugged it off.
And even if he was not caught for that illegal move, the way he placed the two scryed cards looked like he raised his deck in a way for him to see the bottom card.
Thaddius DJ Blitz Ho
Thanks for the explanation, I couldn't really make out was was happening in the video.
After reviewing the video... it looks like the scroll was used "in response" to the jayce ability. If that is the case: the scroll would happen first (be countered) and then the bounce would occur. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I haven't used a kira in a situation where multiple spells/abilities hit it on a single stack. Note: If the jayce ability completely resolved first... I understand that the scroll should have killed the creature, but the speed at which both abilities were played looked like it was unintentionally put on the stack.
Kira's counter ability is a triggered effect made to target the first spell or ability targeting a creature, not the first ability which would otherwise resolve against that creature. If the Jace player retains priority and puts Cursed Scroll onto the stack before Kira's triggered ability is stacked then Kira still targets the unsummon effect. Essentially, Kira always aims for the first ability in a given turn, no matter how you stack additional effects in response.
Edward Krusling That makes sense the way you explained it. Thanks for the clarification
Who else recognized the song from RWBY.
Samuel Shelton who didnt
Zack Smith Me (never seen RWBY)
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RIP Monty
Kevin Kong why?
Someone explain how he pulled off the two explore thing?
Plays Explore, puts down land, passes turn. Opponent does his thing, passes turn back. Cheater plays a land, casts second explore, puts land, casts preordain, tosses down a land and quickly passes the turn. When asked what happened, he says he cast 2 explore that turn
the only paey of the video that brought joy to me was the RWBY theme piano cover
is there a video ware these people are found out and confronted?
Kira has nothing on two explores? Pretty sure being up a land all game almost from the beginning is worse than a Kira that wasn't going to win him the game either way.
Macho Bravado It's because he possibly could have mistaken the land drop but no way he accidentally bounces Kira then replays on accident.
Both of these could be mistakes honestly. I see stuff like this all the time. This is why I pay very close attention to what my opponent is doing and if I don't understand something, let say against KCI combo, I make sure they rewind. Regardless if my oppoent is gaining and unfair advantage on purpose or by accident, I don't want to let it happen. If this happens to player continuously, then the judge committee should look into whether someone should be banned.
I think I didn't see it... could someone explain the situiation with the blue legendary dragon and the jace to me?
Because kira has a 'onetime shroud', guy called Vidi used a bouncing ability from his planeswalker card, and that activates the shroud. Now kira is naked, has no protection at all, so Vidi activated his cursed scroll for killing kira and Alex instead of putting it in his graveyard, he took it back in his hand.
ah ok. so if vidi used the scroll first an then the bounce, the thing would have been legit.
Daniel Voigt
yep.
Nice soundtrack
I would like the law to be the same for all the players.
Chapin's cheating (I mean the +0, kill tokens, distract opponent and play second land this turn while he's scooping his tokens and doesn't see the board, play Elspeth) should be punished just as hard.
Cheaters shouldn't be allowed to DCI-sanctioned events ever, no matter HoF, (1) or top-1000.
sometimes you just need to turn rng to your favor
i love the music RWBY all day
made me prefer to play online over real events, cuse in real life you have to be paying more attention to your opponents illegal moves, than your own game
I can see that being an accident his face at the end of the full video looks like the face of a cheaty face. It looked like he didn't know he cheated till the end.
he's cheated multiple times across his history, its clear he knew what he was doing.
you don't get to 6 mana on turn 3 and not know.
Alex is my boy. Never cheated to me but I can't defend him here. He has stated ALL PROS CHEAT in mtg
One of the reasons I love Arena
balls like peanuts ...
Seriously? RWBY soundtrack?
even if he got banned he could just walk into an local game store and make a new dci account...
BAH- BAMMMM maybe yes maybe no. he would have to be super careful about where he would go to get a new dci number, if the shop he went to recognized him, then they would say no, then that shop owner could let WoTC know that hes trying to get a new account, then they would send a notice out to all other card shops. of course, theres nothing stopping him in getting a friend to go in for him and making him one. you can make a dci account with any name, it doesnt have to be your gov. legal name. as a matter of fact, in the very beginning, many people made accounts using real stupid names, like cowboys fan 4-ever. but now they have limitations of what you can pick. but still, you dont have to use your birth name. so he could very well just have a friend go make him a new account using a different name, friend gives him all the account info and there you go, new mtg identity.
exactly
He was smooth palming those cards...
No he wasn't. He just needs more opponents who actually pay attention.
And this is why Judges exist.
If they didn't catch this, it's on them.
so you are saying, that if a cheater is not caught, he is not at fault. So wrong..
Judges are there mainly to settle rule arguments, I think.
secdeal I personally believe that he's right about the judges. It's their job to provide help with rules.... Therefore when someone plays AGAINST the rules, they should correct that play in a way they consider appropriate.
Providing help with the rules is not the same as enforcing all the rules everywhere. They are judges, they judge situations, they are not rule police. Also there are things that are cheating, but they are not strictly against the rules. I'm pretty sure there is no rule that you can't hide cards in your lap and add them secretly to your hand when needed, for example, but it is obviously cheating (on the other hand, cheating at shuffling is in the rules, it says you have to randomize the deck, and it obviously doesn't happen in that case). If you see that your opponent is doing something fishy, you aren't just sitting there silently, thinking "ah, the stupid judges didn't catch this. Now I will have to play at a disadvantage". You call a judge. It's kind of your responsibility to do this against a cheating opponent. But still, if you get cheated against, and you don't know about it, it's not your fault. That would be victim blaming, if it was. Sorry for the long rambling.
secdeal
It is a mix of both, but ultimately the players' responsibilities. So for instance that a player casts a spell that he is unable to pay for with his current mana, both players let it resolve, then they move to the next turn only to realize then that the spell was technically impossible to cast, creating an irreversible situation. In a competitive R.E.L (rules enforcement level) event both players would receive warnings as it is both of their responsibilities to ensure that everything is happening according to the game rules. But I also think that it should not be your job as the player to hawkeye your opponent at all times..
I are liking the magics.
If this guy is cheating, why isn’t he arrested and/or thrown out of the tournament?
Compared to that guy who manipulated the deck when shuffling or the other guy that swapped cards from his lap, this is hardly cheating at all really how come the other player or the refs dont notice hes over played his cards? I said this on different vid of yours about cheating but do the refs suck so much that they dont even understand the rules of the game?
You can't actually use the camera as I evidence while investigating these types of things. It would give an unfair advantage to those on camera rather than the players not on camera who would go through the exact same thing...
+TheWickedDestruction Well if your filming everyone that doesn't really matter then does it?
steve Thraxx not the point
TheWickedDestruction Your point isn't relevant. If your being filmed you wouldn't have an unfair advantage in anything. You would simply be more inclined not to cheat. Even with that said people still do cheat.
Also, video speaks for itself. If your presented with a video of a man blatantly cheating, an honest response should not be to say things like
"You can't actually use the camera as I evidence while investigating these types of things."
Obviously you can. The video itself is evidence of that. I'm simply not connecting the dots here.
Perhaps I am misunderstanding what your saying. I noticed your sentence structure was a little wonky. Not sure if English is your native language.
bannedddddd
Thsi isnt strategy their playing so fast its like their trying to perform a a magic trick
Time to say goodbye :D
wow
Personally, I would not bother wasting time hating Bertoncini. As the philosopher Nietzsche said: 'We do not hate as long as we still attach a lesser value, but only when we attach an equal or greater value.' Hating cheaters would mean considering them equal or even superior to the rest of us. We all know they do not deserve such thing.
Love the rwby theme!
Cheating is really wrong and really immoral. However, in response to the last comment...mtg is a game where people who are socially different or vulnerable can go to have fun and interact in a safe way. Small scale cheating (which is a phrase i use lightly, cheating is always terrible, but if this was game 4 of a pro tour semi final he'd be banned for life) is in my opinion less damaging than openly mocking community members. Alex basically gained nothing, got caught, and got punished. The butt crack guy took advantage of people, people with feelings who more than likely had to be brave to participate in social events like mtg gps. That being said, people should be people, they should shower and take care of themselves, and it takes no effort to wear a fucking belt. However, Wizards has made it clear that it considers it a serious offense to directly mock members of the mtg community and i agree with their decision. A lot of the "diamond in the rough" friends i know are people who got bullied in high school yet really blossomed when they found a community like MTG where they can feel welcomed.
who is the butt crack guy, where is the vid?
www.buzzfeed.com/mrloganrhoades/man-goes-to-magic-the-gathering-tournament-poses-next-to-but
I'm sorry. I had left this thread alone. but Username that's the stupidest comparison ever. Magic is a GAME with specified RULES, and a RULE BOOK and JUDGES to enforce RULES in a community that is well aware that they enforce these rules and that cheating is wrong and can get you banned. It is a COMPETITION. That is why it is different than models and singers.
UsernameUnidentifful It's supposed to be a fun pastime. How is it any fun with people cheating ?
But if you don't notice it, or keep losing because of it it will take the fun out of the game. I don;t just mean this guy. I mean anyone who cheats even just playing casual or at a FNM or anything
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its a shame reddit was involved.
There is nothing good about cheating. It is wrong, and when doing are doing so to win a large sum of money you are committing the crime of larceny.
Tell that Mr Rotschild.
47Mortuus the god of cheating xD
some people will cheat to win
How is it cheating
Tom Brady cheated and kept playing football. but anyway... what else happened to this guy? did he get fined? I'd think he'd go to jail tbh it seems like fraud.
RWBY!
I don't know the first thing about current M:TG but it seems to be this could be a series of mistakes.. Is that not a possibility at all? I assume it is because the leading text that says "Alex thinks about returning it to hand again, then places the Kira in the graveyard" You can't read a mind, buddy. That just ruins your credibility to me as a viewer with no outside knowledge of any of these parties. And if he was thinking about it, that demonstrates to me a possibility that he doesn't know what to do in that situation, even momentarily. My understanding is these kids play like 10 hour days.. I see the most seasoned game streamers make the most beginner mistakes 6-8 hours into a stream.
I think my point is, you guys just don't like this kid, so you've got the pitchfork and torches out. Don't compromise any integrity you may have to try to cast someone else down.
I agree with you in that everyone just loves to hate on this guy but HE DID blatantly cheat more than a few times. Fuck em.
If it were just a matter of being a sloppy player, he would also make mistakes that either benefit his opponent or aren't relevant to the course of the game. The most damning piece of evidence that Alex is a cheater is the fact that anytime he has done anything that could be excused as a mistake, it has benefited him.
your voice makes me mute all of your videos. then i make up dialogue so they are enjoyable.