I have the electric MSA220C and the comparable gas MS211C. I absolutely love them both. The electric is great for interrupted cuts such as removing limbs and brush. Anytime I have to set the saw down between cuts the electric saw is the tool for the job. For continuous cutting like this video, the gas saw is the right tool. I'm finding that size of the cut has nothing to do with the saw I choose. It solely depends on how many times I'm going to set the saw down.
Thanks for the comment. I totally agree. The more I have used this saw that’s what I have found. The electric is great for jobs where you put it down lots to carry stuff away because you don’t have to restart it all the time or leave it idle. I still use my petrol saw for large stuff. As in the video. That was just a test to see how it went. I find the electric great to just have in the car to clear fallen trees on the tracks. Again lots of cut them set down. But also No smell in the car.
@@blackllama1 In the past 3.5 years I did have to start up my gas powered husky back for about 2 hours but I start at about 8.30 am till about 7.30pm stop only for 30 minutes lunch. Helping a friend cut oak and birch for the fire place from a pile, it was continued cutting we have the MSA300 and the 220C, batteries all precharged 1 AP200, 1 AP300, 4 AP300S and 4 AP500S also we were by is barn and we have the charger 500 on all the time. It was kind of a hot day and the problem was the batteries tend to got hot and then the charger takes at least 15 minutes just to cool off the batteries so they charge back again, about 3 pm I run out of batteries and went with gas power but 2 hours later I am back in the battery power, if I with have another charger 500 yes I with be ok with battery power only.
I bought the same model a few weeks ago and have just tried it out today but i found that it cut very well on smaller fresh wood but when tried cutting 10 inch diameter dry wood it struggled and seemed to loose power. This was using the ap300s and ap300 battery. Have you experienced this?
I wonder if if you have try or see charging the batteries using the truck battery? I have see some videos were they using a power converter and then plug in the saw battery charger in this power converter to charge the saw battery. I wonder if it really works.
@@adamconnolly7478 I just buy a 700w inverter conected it to the jeep battery and using the AL500 battery charger with out the jeep running about mid-way of full AP500S battery the alarm went on in the inverter, the jeep battery was goting weaker. I stop disconect everything and was able to start up the jeep. I try this in another veicle and same happens, so sem like without the jeep running I am not able to fully charge one AP500S battery.
I have the 220C over 3 years I use to have the same bar but now I change for the 35cm Light 04, is 5cm short but sem like I got some extra minutes battery time, also I have all batteries from AP200 to AP500S to me the saw feel better balanced with AP300S.
@@blackllama1 Whao I kind surprise, I have all from AP200 to AP500S, I live in border between Portugal and Spain some got themes in Portugal some in Spain but in general I can got themes in either country and the same with machines I have. The Trimmer 135 and the GTA26 I got themes in Spain, the 161T and the 220C I got themes in Portugal and the MSA300 I order it online from Holland. What's your country?
@@sirvozelo1 in Australia currently they are hard to get hold of. I was lucky to pick up a second ap300. I wanted to get an upgraded larger battery but was not able to even order one. This is the biggest saw we can get currently. The larger model is coming soon or may just have come out.
@@blackllama1 I also have the AP300 and even have used it in the MSA300 and in the Trimmer 135 but I feel is a litle weaker for thoes machines even for the 220C. Normaly I use the AP300 as a back up for the 161T and for the 220C. Every time I go cut wood right from the start on the 161T I use the AP200, on the 220C I use the AP300S, on the MSA300 and on the Trimmer 135 I use the AP500S, the AP300 is always charged as a back up, because my feeling is, for the 161T is a litle heavy for the 220C is a little underpowered. The good part is this machines they work with all AP batteries I have even used the AP200 on the MSA300 but in this one it last very little. My feeling the best battery for the 220C is the AP300S, I have used the AP500S but it make the saw heavier and I got no more power just last litle longer. I have 1 AP200, 1 AP300, 3 AP300S and 4 AP500S, normally I use themes in sequence I have thell you, at last and for finishing a job I use whatever one happen to be charged.
@@blackllama1 Apparently yours MSA 220C have the same 40cm bar mine comes originally, about 1 year ago I change for the 35cm Light 04 it seems to me with this bar the saw is a little faster and have few more minutes battery time. If I remember well I also have to change the chain and the 9 Euros pinion witch they did in 5 minutes in a Stihl dealer in Spain. Yes I lose 5 cm bar length but in my case if are a ticker logs I with go with MSA300 either with a 16" or 18" bars I have both.
No I would not say it seems water tight. In fact it’s been raining here a bit since I got it and I have kept it out of the rain, It seems to cut great though. Does loads better on smaller wood
I have the 220C and I have used it with some rain however I always try protect it as much as I can, in did never have a problem, but to be honest and keep in mind I not know what you going to use it for, even be a little more expensive you be much much well served with MSA300, I also have it, is little more heavier but power-wise the 220C can not be compared with MSA300 and also is more weather prof.
More & more of us are now using EV's which have vehicle to load capability. So really no problems with charging batteries. Just need 2 batteries & you're good to go all day 😊
@@blackllama1 In my case I not want longer cut, I want instead more battery time so I went from 40 cm bar to 35cm Ligth 04 bar on the 220C, for longer cut I have the MSA300, I buy it with 16" bar then I buy the 18", now depends on the logs size I use one or the other.
@@blackllama1 I have 4 AP500S batteries but on the 220C I very much only use the AP300S it feels beter balanced to me. I also have the AP300 and the AP200 thoes I very much only use on the 161T, however the saw runs with either one even the MSA300 runs with AP200 just be out of power in few minutes.
In Australia you will have to go and visit a registered Stihl dealer. Any Stihl product is only available through authorised re sellers. Outside Australia I am not sure.
I not know your business but I have the Stihl GTA26, MSA220C, 161T, MSA300 and the Trimmer 135, so again and it depending in your business but not go and buy the MSA220C before you try the MSA300. I not meaning the 220C is bad just not comparable power wise with MSA300. Here in Portugal or Spain we can order it anytime in any Stihl dealer.
This would be fine for limbing trees and likely go for most of a day with that task, I could tell the moment you made your first cut it's not going to work well for regular cutting tasks.
Since the video I have used it quite a bit. It’s going great. Cleaned up branches from a big tree and cut lots of rounds. I did get a second battery. For heavy work I go back to my petrol saw
@@blackllama1 I have a heavy saw (480) my dad left me but I actually want the newer models like the 500i or the 660 M-C. Stihl generally makes solid stuff that can last a long time if cared for. I would say stay away from EGO, their design is flawed, the chain is not being properly lubricated during operation. It shouldn't be dry to the touch.
@@Enonymouse_ correct I think it has only just been released in aus. This what the most powerful I could buy at the time. Also can’t currently get hold of a larger battery either. All shops are saying next stock is June July
@@Enonymouse_ I have this Stihl 220C, I also have the Stihl MSA300, very much they not comparable the MSA300 is much powerful however for small limbs I mostly use the 220C because is lighter.
Great intro into the world of electric chainsaws😊 I'm in the process of selling off ALL my petrol based tools!! I can see that in the next couple of years (before 2030?), petrol based tools will start the inevitable decline, as petrol gets more expensive, batteries get more powerful & cheaper, and regulations change around the noise & pollution of traditional tools 😮 California already has banned the sale of new petrol yard tools, for domestic & professional users. The rest of the world is following 👌
My existing saw is the Stihl MS180CQT, 14". I've had this brilliant tool for 20 years of both domestic & professional use. It's never faulted. A few years back, I looked at electric saws, but batteries & power were crap. Now, with EV's, the whole battery/power/charging landscape has completely changed. I feel we ALL need to move to electric ASAP, to alleviate Noise, Pollution and Climate Change 😊 And the final nail.... Electric tools are almost FREE to run. Especially if you have Solar 👌 Solar => EV => Tool What's not to like 🤔
@@blackllama1 You can bet. Yes we always kind dependent on the batteries I use to have 3 gas powered saws, after I buy the 220C I end up buying the 161T, MSA300, GTA26 and the trimmer 135 and selling 2 gas powered ones just keep my old Husky 62 has memory. To me they are more convenient and have plenty of power for any home-user in particular. Try the MSA300 with an AP500S battery and you may be surprise.
just a bit of advice mate but you gotta stop trying to to squeeze every last bit out of a battery mate, its already hit cell under-voltage protection and continuing to do that will kill your batteries prematurely.
The electronics in that kit will cut the power and still hide a certain percentage of battery life, so as not to drain the battery completely > screw the cells. Most modern systems will do so. I'd love to see this test with softwoods such as lodge-pole pine etc...
Battery Stihl not good work in forest very early low battery crasg die. I have Stihl 880 and Stihl 171 Stihl FS560 Stihl HS45 not random I not use battery Stihl! Because energy not enough áll work only enough 18-20 minutes and need charging
This saw is junk. I had one for just over a year, it quit oiling the bar sent it off they claimed it needed 'cleaning' yet had to break the whole saw down to do this.. not like I could without voiding warranty. Crap stuff I would avoid stihl in future buy quality like husky instead !
@@toolonthehill hundred percent for real, just had a really bad experience with that saw. The repair guy was saying its a lot to do with the tool less filler caps they use now, I dont buy it, they should at least make these saws more serviceable if its an issue 🤷♂
I have the electric MSA220C and the comparable gas MS211C. I absolutely love them both. The electric is great for interrupted cuts such as removing limbs and brush. Anytime I have to set the saw down between cuts the electric saw is the tool for the job. For continuous cutting like this video, the gas saw is the right tool. I'm finding that size of the cut has nothing to do with the saw I choose. It solely depends on how many times I'm going to set the saw down.
Thanks for the comment. I totally agree. The more I have used this saw that’s what I have found.
The electric is great for jobs where you put it down lots to carry stuff away because you don’t have to restart it all the time or leave it idle.
I still use my petrol saw for large stuff.
As in the video. That was just a test to see how it went.
I find the electric great to just have in the car to clear fallen trees on the tracks. Again lots of cut them set down. But also No smell in the car.
@@blackllama1 In the past 3.5 years I did have to start up my gas powered husky back for about 2 hours but I start at about 8.30 am till about 7.30pm stop only for 30 minutes lunch. Helping a friend cut oak and birch for the fire place from a pile, it was continued cutting we have the MSA300 and the 220C, batteries all precharged 1 AP200, 1 AP300, 4 AP300S and 4 AP500S also we were by is barn and we have the charger 500 on all the time.
It was kind of a hot day and the problem was the batteries tend to got hot and then the charger takes at least 15 minutes just to cool off the batteries so they charge back again, about 3 pm I run out of batteries and went with gas power but 2 hours later I am back in the battery power, if I with have another charger 500 yes I with be ok with battery power only.
I bought the same model a few weeks ago and have just tried it out today but i found that it cut very well on smaller fresh wood but when tried cutting 10 inch diameter dry wood it struggled and seemed to loose power.
This was using the ap300s and ap300 battery.
Have you experienced this?
Thankyou for the demonstration.
Awesome chainsaw.
Aloha🌴🌴
I wonder if if you have try or see charging the batteries using the truck battery?
I have see some videos were they using a power converter and then plug in the saw battery charger in this power converter to charge the saw battery. I wonder if it really works.
Interesting I have not seen this. I’m going to look into it
@@blackllama1 I have a 500w 12v inverter connected to my 2nd battery, charges the ap300 battery just fine!
@@adamconnolly7478 I have same thing
@@adamconnolly7478 I just buy a 700w inverter conected it to the jeep battery and using the AL500 battery charger with out the jeep running about mid-way of full AP500S battery the alarm went on in the inverter, the jeep battery was goting weaker. I stop disconect everything and was able to start up the jeep. I try this in another veicle and same happens, so sem like without the jeep running I am not able to fully charge one AP500S battery.
I have the 220C over 3 years I use to have the same bar but now I change for the 35cm Light 04, is 5cm short but sem like I got some extra minutes battery time, also I have all batteries from AP200 to AP500S to me the saw feel better balanced with AP300S.
Thanks for that info, currently I can’t purchase anything over the 300 as there is non available in the country.
@@blackllama1 Whao I kind surprise, I have all from AP200 to AP500S, I live in border between Portugal and Spain some got themes in Portugal some in Spain but in general I can got themes in either country and the same with machines I have. The Trimmer 135 and the GTA26 I got themes in Spain, the 161T and the 220C I got themes in Portugal and the MSA300 I order it online from Holland.
What's your country?
@@sirvozelo1 in Australia currently they are hard to get hold of. I was lucky to pick up a second ap300. I wanted to get an upgraded larger battery but was not able to even order one.
This is the biggest saw we can get currently. The larger model is coming soon or may just have come out.
@@blackllama1 I also have the AP300 and even have used it in the MSA300 and in the Trimmer 135 but I feel is a litle weaker for thoes machines even for the 220C.
Normaly I use the AP300 as a back up for the 161T and for the 220C.
Every time I go cut wood right from the start on the 161T I use the AP200, on the 220C I use the AP300S, on the MSA300 and on the Trimmer 135 I use the AP500S, the AP300 is always charged as a back up, because my feeling is, for the 161T is a litle heavy for the 220C is a little underpowered.
The good part is this machines they work with all AP batteries I have even used the AP200 on the MSA300 but in this one it last very little.
My feeling the best battery for the 220C is the AP300S, I have used the AP500S but it make the saw heavier and I got no more power just last litle longer.
I have 1 AP200, 1 AP300, 3 AP300S and 4 AP500S, normally I use themes in sequence I have thell you, at last and for finishing a job I use whatever one happen to be charged.
@@blackllama1 Apparently yours MSA 220C have the same 40cm bar mine comes originally, about 1 year ago I change for the 35cm Light 04 it seems to me with this bar the saw is a little faster and have few more minutes battery time. If I remember well I also have to change the chain and the 9 Euros pinion witch they did in 5 minutes in a Stihl dealer in Spain.
Yes I lose 5 cm bar length but in my case if are a ticker logs I with go with MSA300 either with a 16" or 18" bars I have both.
Looks great! Do you think the battery compartment is water tight? I live in England where it rains a lot! ☺️
No I would not say it seems water tight. In fact it’s been raining here a bit since I got it and I have kept it out of the rain,
It seems to cut great though. Does loads better on smaller wood
I have the 220C and I have used it with some rain however I always try protect it as much as I can, in did never have a problem, but to be honest and keep in mind I not know what you going to use it for, even be a little more expensive you be much much well served with MSA300, I also have it, is little more heavier but power-wise the 220C can not be compared with MSA300 and also is more weather prof.
Cover/wrap it with something if you intend to use in a heavy down pour otherwise this should be fine.
How you charging this battery chainsaw in forest??? Yoi bring Honda fuel petrol aggregator?
I only use this for the weekend I take 2 battery’s which is enough to cut firewood the. Charge at home
More & more of us are now using EV's which have vehicle to load capability. So really no problems with charging batteries. Just need 2 batteries & you're good to go all day 😊
I simply take 4 batteries....
cuts pretty nice considering the battery choice, you'd get more power out of it with the ap300s
Or the ap500 which I currently can’t get hold of. 500 is a little pricey though
Also on mine I went from that same 40cm bar to the 35cm Light 04 bar, is 5cm short but it's little faster.
@@sirvozelo1 true I wanted the longer cut
@@blackllama1 In my case I not want longer cut, I want instead more battery time so I went from 40 cm bar to 35cm Ligth 04 bar on the 220C, for longer cut I have the MSA300, I buy it with 16" bar then I buy the 18", now depends on the logs size I use one or the other.
@@blackllama1 I have 4 AP500S batteries but on the 220C I very much only use the AP300S it feels beter balanced to me. I also have the AP300 and the AP200 thoes I very much only use on the 161T, however the saw runs with either one even the MSA300 runs with AP200 just be out of power in few minutes.
Wow kereenn... 👍👍
how to order it
In Australia you will have to go and visit a registered Stihl dealer.
Any Stihl product is only available through authorised re sellers.
Outside Australia I am not sure.
@@blackllama1 Here in Europe as far as i know is the same you need go by a Stihl dealer.
I not know your business but I have the Stihl GTA26, MSA220C, 161T, MSA300 and the Trimmer 135, so again and it depending in your business but not go and buy the MSA220C before you try the MSA300. I not meaning the 220C is bad just not comparable power wise with MSA300. Here in Portugal or Spain we can order it anytime in any Stihl dealer.
This would be fine for limbing trees and likely go for most of a day with that task, I could tell the moment you made your first cut it's not going to work well for regular cutting tasks.
Since the video I have used it quite a bit. It’s going great. Cleaned up branches from a big tree and cut lots of rounds. I did get a second battery.
For heavy work I go back to my petrol saw
@@blackllama1 I have a heavy saw (480) my dad left me but I actually want the newer models like the 500i or the 660 M-C. Stihl generally makes solid stuff that can last a long time if cared for. I would say stay away from EGO, their design is flawed, the chain is not being properly lubricated during operation. It shouldn't be dry to the touch.
@@blackllama1 Stihl USA corp website lists an MSA 300 battery powered unit, maybe it has more power?
@@Enonymouse_ correct I think it has only just been released in aus. This what the most powerful I could buy at the time.
Also can’t currently get hold of a larger battery either. All shops are saying next stock is June July
@@Enonymouse_ I have this Stihl 220C, I also have the Stihl MSA300, very much they not comparable the MSA300 is much powerful however for small limbs I mostly use the 220C because is lighter.
Good one.👍
Great intro into the world of electric chainsaws😊
I'm in the process of selling off ALL my petrol based tools!!
I can see that in the next couple of years (before 2030?), petrol based tools will start the inevitable decline, as petrol gets more expensive, batteries get more powerful & cheaper, and regulations change around the noise & pollution of traditional tools 😮
California already has banned the sale of new petrol yard tools, for domestic & professional users. The rest of the world is following 👌
My existing saw is the Stihl MS180CQT, 14". I've had this brilliant tool for 20 years of both domestic & professional use. It's never faulted.
A few years back, I looked at electric saws, but batteries & power were crap.
Now, with EV's, the whole battery/power/charging landscape has completely changed.
I feel we ALL need to move to electric ASAP, to alleviate Noise, Pollution and Climate Change 😊
And the final nail....
Electric tools are almost FREE to run. Especially if you have Solar 👌
Solar => EV => Tool
What's not to like 🤔
Quick charge with a 5 litre can of 2 stroke fuel ha ha
Yes so true. I don’t think my petrol saw is done yet. But this electric defiantly has its uses.
@@blackllama1 You can bet.
Yes we always kind dependent on the batteries I use to have 3 gas powered saws, after I buy the 220C I end up buying the 161T, MSA300, GTA26 and the trimmer 135 and selling 2 gas powered ones just keep my old Husky 62 has memory. To me they are more convenient and have plenty of power for any home-user in particular. Try the MSA300 with an AP500S battery and you may be surprise.
just a bit of advice mate but you gotta stop trying to to squeeze every last bit out of a battery mate, its already hit cell under-voltage protection and continuing to do that will kill your batteries prematurely.
Thanks but I don’t run that always it was just for the vid
The electronics in that kit will cut the power and still hide a certain percentage of battery life, so as not to drain the battery completely > screw the cells. Most modern systems will do so. I'd love to see this test with softwoods such as lodge-pole pine etc...
Garuenteed for 2000 cycles ....
Chaps.
@@drumcrazy72 never used them
Battery Stihl not good work in forest very early low battery crasg die. I have Stihl 880 and Stihl 171 Stihl FS560 Stihl HS45 not random I not use battery Stihl! Because energy not enough áll work only enough 18-20 minutes and need charging
I only use the battery saw for firewood camping and light track clearing. I also have 3 petrol saws that I use for bigger work.
This saw is junk. I had one for just over a year, it quit oiling the bar sent it off they claimed it needed 'cleaning' yet had to break the whole saw down to do this.. not like I could without voiding warranty. Crap stuff I would avoid stihl in future buy quality like husky instead !
You state this in other posts, you for real or husky fan boy?
@@toolonthehill hundred percent for real, just had a really bad experience with that saw. The repair guy was saying its a lot to do with the tool less filler caps they use now, I dont buy it, they should at least make these saws more serviceable if its an issue 🤷♂