@@DoublePMedia other than Donna not really needing to poison Ben, Season 3 is my favorite because the music, Rudd and Streep are amazing. Then season 1, season 2 and this season If no cool twist. Now I zoomed in the photo at then end I am really hoping for the twist I see and that will change this order probably!! I can't wait now and I was feeling blah after last episode like I shouldn't have stayed up to watch it so this gives me hope my original idea at end of last season is TRUE
Marshall is in the room when Glen gets shot. Either he has an "evil twin"/accomplice or he has nothing to do with Glen getting shot. If his "evil twin" isn't a machination of his mind, like what occurs in Adaptation, then we've seen his "evil twin" in the Episode titled Blow Up. If his "evil twin" is a machination then Rex (means King in Latin) Bailey (riffing on It's a Wonderful Life?) is his DID / split personality. Getting us ready for Season 5 and Det. Williams DID (dissociative identity disorder). If Marshall / Rex are 1-and-the-same, this might explain Nicky the Neck. Glen's been outta of a job since Ben went Broadway & died, and perhaps got in deep to the mob. The bartender is one of their henchmen. They tried to off Glen to send a message to other deadbeats being late on their payments? Sazz had retirement plans (plural). Poor Glen may have not?
Rankings 1) season 1 2) season 4 (thus far) 3) season 3 4) season 2 - loved the suspense and learning about the building, but the Poppy motive fell flat for me
Glad to have been right about the writer. It annoyed me that the fact that Sazz wrote the script seemed to come out of nowhere … and only then did I realize that that I had missed the clues. Sazz wasn’t investigating the murders, she was researching for her script, and that’s why she discovered all the plot holes. I think that’s why the actors noticed all the plot holes, too … not because they were smarter, but because they read the script! The script could explain a lot of things, giving them a bit of deus ex machina.
That's a very interesting point about Sazz researching for her script. Also interesting that none of the trio thought to read the script in full either, even though they agreed to having a film told about their lives.
Yes the actors read the whole original script and tried to prepare for it and saw holes. That's what Loretta was trying to say they do and it was a good idea. I think Sazz might've been following the Dudenoff thread for a second script and potential collaboration with the trio if they investigated that murder in the building to help with a franchise. She was stumbling into the other possible murder thread too with the sick pup, Jan note/ Oliver note and other clues that were to do with Dudenoff but she never got to figure that set out and that's what NEXT season will feature I think or maybe if theres a season 6. Sazz walked on the dangerous side with Jan, stunts, stealing friends partners and more. She met her match with which mystery is still NOT totally clear. Was it an unhinged protege or was it sie thing way bigger like the hinted at strangler or the Nicky the Neck thing? I'm still wondering if she wasn't following Cookie and stumbled into the Dudenoff thing when she saw the ledgers at the Bodega...kind of hoping for a cliffhanger after last season seeing a literal Cliff hanging and that this mystery gets a new layer with a new nurse but that the Sazz angle and her research keeps going and then she can have more scenes too. But doubt they will do that sadly.
That is very true. Sazz writing the script she would think about how to answer those plot holes in the movie, to make it make sense and give the audience closure.
Bev said Sazz called her to tell her there was a problem with the movie. I think she told her more than that. I think she told her about Marshall stealing the script. Bev is ambitious and cut-throat enough to want to cover up the theft and save the movie. She's also a gun owner. When the trio caught Bev at the trampoline park, I think Bev was looking for Sazz's original script.
After watching the ending of episode 9, i might’ve conclude: 1. It was Sazz who recorded them all since season 1, in order to create a more realistic script about Only Murders In The Building as soon as she knew about the trio podcast 2. Sazz knew that Jan Is the killer in season 1, that’s why she wrote ‘I’m Watching You’ and put it in Jan’s front door 3. Sazz is in Ham Radio as mentioned by Helga, and she brought Marshall to also spying the trio in the West Arconia 4. Marshall stole the Script and submit it to the Twin Director, without Sazz’s acknowledge , the Director loves the script and agreed to made a movie deal 5. Marshall killed Sazz from the West with the help of someone from the westie because he is relatively small man, and Sazz way bigger than him, i think he needs someone big and muscular to took Sazz’s body to Incinerator, my guess is That muscular Christmas Guy who might’ve been his love interest. 6. Sazz wanted to tell Charles that they are being recorded, that’s why she told him about ‘something sensitive’ , but as we know, Sazz being shot by the killer immediately after she wanted to talk to Charles about it, and Sazz trying to wrote ‘TAPING’ as her last message, but only managed to wrote ‘TAPIN’ that misunderstood the trio into ‘Tap-In’
@@DoublePMedia yep, that was my solid guess, that’s how Marshall took Sazz’s phone , and sending ‘I’m Watching You’ message to the trio and also how he got to the hospital soon after receiving phone call from the nurse.
I also think Rudy is the murder partner. The motive is to be involved in the movie so he could get out of his online persona as the Christmas fitness guy. He told Mable and Eva that he hates his job.
6:39 When they spoke about Sazz transitioning into a new career, they probably meant as a script writer, but they couldn't reveal it as it would have made it too obvious that she wrote the script.
Marshall, while stalking Sazz, likely found out she was a ham radio hobbyist and was potentially listening to Sazz's conversations with Helga. So he learned about Dudenoff's apartment and door code that way.
Fly on the wall: Marshall was stalking Sazz.. Marshall was in her flat when Trio was looking at clues.. Marshall was looking for another script as well
I think the dog will be at the wedding and I think the dog will dig up a bone and that will make everyone realize there are Bodies in the backyard of the apartment
BOTH dogs. One cadaver and Winnie too. Or maybe Winnie will go and attack or be all over someones leg like Sting incident and we will finally realize why Winnie did it and what that scene meant. Good comment
Rudy has to be the accomplice. He has the musclepower to move Sazz's body. He knows about the incinerator. He has the motive to kill Sazz because she was investigating Dudenoff's murder (which he may have learnt over the ham radio, as Helga also knew about it). He may also have written the "End the podcast..." note because the inverted 3 matches the E on the note and the word "Emma" on his abs. He also talked about how writing on yourself is hard, which might mean that he is left-handed/ambidexterous. He may have known Marshall through the stunt community since he is an out-of-work actor and into fitness. He has access to Dudenoff's apartment to let Marshall/Rex in. In season 3, when Sazz entered Charles' apartment there is a silhouette of a person who looks like Charles/Sazz but is not actually Sazz, that person has a sharp nose and chin, which fits Rudy's silhouette. All the westies were playing cards when Sazz's murder happen except Rudy. Too much evidence!
something i noticed... Both Rudy (ep. 8) and Marshall (in ep.5) divert the investigators attention by bringing up COMEDY. Rudy offers to do a comedy version of the bit from a Few Good Men, which makes everyone wave him off and start to not take him seriously. And Marshall brings up his comedy act as an alibi because he knows nobody wants to see it. I think this is one of the many signs that Marshall and Rudy are working together. It ties into the symbolism of not taking writers seriously, which is why they moved this season to be set after the writer's strike in the real world.
OH MY GOD THE TINSEL IS THE VEST. I always thought how christmas guy tested it was odd, because yes tinsel is flamable, but also I feel like anything would catch on fire if you just old it over an open flame...except material that is fire proof
@@DoublePMedia it could be that like out of rage and spite Rex/Marshall wore it. Like “Sazz said it would protect me but it didn’t do anything so I’m gonna wear it when I kill her”
@@liluziintrovert it's the one big clue left to be explained like the lipstick on the hankie was a weird very personal thing between the two "killers" last season. We have to learn what it means this "killer/ killers" this season. I still think those shoe prints and the gun position in Dudenoff's place and tinsel/ vest piece are all pointing to something very specific and significant to be divulged at the beginning next episode since Mabel confronted Marshall and Mabel witnessed the kids and hankie ritual last season. I am still hoping for it be maybe Marshall thought it was Glen and the bartender who killed Sazz from the clues, so he tried to get revenge but probably killed the wrong guy in Glen or something, who was maybe accidentally involved. Maybe when everyone thinks it was Glen that noticed Rex It was also the Rex noticed something about Glen like the bread or shoes or how did he know where Charles lived? It still needs to be a little more layered to be worthy of this Show imho. ALSO There's a Multiple personality/ Dissociative Identity Disorder set of theories out there. MIne was for Jan to explain the season 1 notes and note threats, I put forth a long time ago due to the 2 different styles in the lonely notes in Tim Kono blue string thrown out trash, and then there was the one recently said on this channel or the other one I listen to for Det. Williams who was into Herman's Head and hates twins (I thought she was haunted by ghost twins from the 1950s) lol, BUT maybe we got these ideas intuitively because IT'S Marshall/ Rex who really has the Split personality problem and we all thought it was just good old IMPOSTER Syndrome!?!? 🤔 It could work to make the parts that we sympathize with be explained and the REAL REASON Sazz said he'd be the death of her. He was never the same guy. Sometimes super sweet and optimistic Rex with the clumsiness and sometimes the ruthless guy who got revenge by stealing...he stole the shoes and maybe stole the script and vest?? Is that the missing piece? It's all good and would really make the last episode better than I was an A hole and got hurt when Sazz became the writer and the stunt man I couldn't and it was simple jealousy and greed....that is a much less interesting finale inho.
How did Bev know about Sazz' location for her school to be there searching it and finds a gun? Sazz specifically tells Charles about it and to keep it between them because she trusts him. Look back to the guy that appears to give a signal (hand behind back) just before the gunshots at the photo shoot, and he looks very much like Marshall, just longer hair, was it a twin brother? The show is focused on twins/doubles etc. Also, don't forget that the super hates Mabel, and likely the podcast by extension. AND he would know about the incinerator, how to run it, have access to all the apartments (someone placed the cameras in S1 and has to replace batteries regularly) and know about the westies empty apartment. Though honestly, why no one would go back later and clean out the incinerator is just silly. Also, it isn't an actual a cremation machine, so teeth would also likely survive, but they are never mentioned. Lestor has the the same knowledge and access, and has been around forever, so could he be the 6th Street killer in retirement? Maybe with bodies buried under the Arconia or in the courtyard? So he doesn't want anyone investigating murders? Remember Charles opening dialog about "never finding 14 bodies buried under an apartment building"? And Poppy says she there is 'more going on there than anyone knows, and I can show you the bodies'. Also, as unimportant asides that I think were huge misses, Zoey's parents supposedly owned the entire 11th floor but no rich parent comes forward when the mystery of their daughters death is revealed? And Mabel's aunt never appears with all that is going on with her niece why living in her apartment?
I think Glen told Bev about Paradise. He was in the room (just casually said he was just going to use the "rat baffler" inversion machine, so he eavesdropped, intentional or not) when Charles was asking her about Sazz, and he asked if Sazz had ever mentioned Paradise. I think the next time we see Glen was when he was delivering the soda bread. He was thanking them because he got a job on the film by dropping the trio's names (though I doubt they had done anything), but the job could also have been reward/thanks for the Paradise info (wittingly or not, given to Bev).
Teeth can be consumed in an incinerator if it burns long and hot enough, but bones are not. They have to separate and pulverize them, then put that "ash" back in with the burned remains. So in reality there would have been bones from both bodies, if they were just left alone after running the incinerator.
I feel like Zoe‘s family had left l the building after her death, so I don’t know why the trio would have an update on their reaction to the Dimoses being involved in her death. The only member of the trio who knew Zoe is Mabel. The event happened over 10 years ago
When Marshall was in Mabel's apartment, he was clearly using a MacBook. If villains are prohibited from using Apple products, this would support the theory that Marshall and Rex are not the same person. The person with Sazz's phone answered the call from the nurse that Glen was awake, and presumably also wrote and sent the "I'm watching you." messages. It's hard to believe this could be Rex, and more likely a resident of the Arconia, like a Westie.
Tinfoil hat theory: Rex is Marshall's twin and is Helga's boyfriend. Helga is a lockpick so she can get into every apartment and plant cameras. She also knows about the incinerator, which Rex or Marshall don't. Helga has no motive on her own to kill Sazz, but her boyfriend did, after they teamed up together to steal the script. In fact, she probably knew about the script. She could have also pre-recorded a convo with Sazz on the ham radio to play on Bev Melon's voicemail to throw off the timeline on the murder board. Sazz may have been shot earlier. Another clue, when she says "I love you Hammy Faye Baker" how did she know they had her pig if she wasnt talking to the Westies? Easy, she has access to cameras in their apartments. I'm not convinced Marshall even knows Helga and Rex killed Sazz. A big clue he isn't the murderer is in the photoshoot scene when he is seen wearing different shoes than Ron Howards.
Rudy is a fitness guru, so likely athletic enough to run from West tower to East tower to carry Sazz’s body. The writing on his abdomen had a backwards E.
Something that I noticed for a few weeks now, but thought it might be a mid-level spoiler/hint so I've kept it to myself, but since we're at ep 9, here it is: : : Rudy's last name Thurber is named after OMITB S4's script coordinator McKenna Thurber. I don't think this is a coincidence as Thurber is not a common last name, and Rudy & Vince Fish (red-herring?) are the only 2 Westies to have a last name. My thinking is why give Rudy a last name if he isn't an important character?
Also he’s a hunter, hence the mount for the “fake gun” and he uses deer hoof in his protein shake He’s obviously not gonna have the murder weapon on display anymore
So I have a theory! Sazz left Bev a voicemail right before she was killed, at 11.07 I think. BUT Beverly said it was a random number and she didnt pick up. Also, Sazz never says Bev's name in verband voicemail. So my theory is, Sazz called someone from the movie (maybe the Sisters), left a voicemail. That person killed Sazz at 10.00 or something and left Sazz's voicemail forewarded it at 11.07 to Bev. That way people will think Sazz was alive at 11.07 when in fact she was long dead. In season 3 episode 10, Sazz is killed while the party is still going. In season 4 episode 1, the Incinerator burns the body of Sazz at 11.18, while Charles, Oliver and Mabel are recording their podcast. So, long story short: 1 killer, Sazz was killed far earlier than 11.07. Ps: while I am at it. Oliver says the killer must have had access to Charles's apartment. The Killer could have used the Arconian secret passageways, since they talked about it on the podcast in season 2 and it seems to now be public knowledge. BUT, Howard has been coming into peoples appartments without them opening the door to him. He just knocks and enters. I dont really suspect Howard, but I feel it is important. Als Sazz says she had made copies of all their keys.
Season 2 > Season 4 > Season 1 > Season 3 HOWEVER, I must point out that there are absolutely no “bad” seasons. Just some that are better than others IMO.
Couple of crazy thoughts/theories going into the finale. 1). Tap in theory: (just occurred to me) Sazz intentionally went into Charles’ house, knowing the sniper was watching as a way to sacrifice herself for Charles, therefore the message was her telling Charles it was her last time tapping in for him, and she did it to save his life. 2). The entire Hollywood team has been shooting the trio this entire time - which will actually be what the movie is. - maybe they faked sazz’s death or killed her and have been taping the trio like a reality show for a documentary style movie. 3). Howard is the mastermind, and a former student of dudenoff. CLUE: after the shooting on set, Howard says he learned to never stop rolling, but then hesitates to say who taught him. He eventually says the brothers sisters. Surprised nobody has talked about this. 4). The actors are in on it somehow. Eugene Levy appears to collect mable’s fingerprints by asking her to open chips for him. He also looks concerned when Charles mentions sazz’s stunt center. Eva acting weird all season… 5). Bev melon went to.sazz’s stunt facility to try and find script because she knows Marshal stole it. 6). Lester the doorman is shown in the same scene with Marshall helping him wheel in their jackets - very sus considering what we know about Marshall and how little Lester has been in it, this makes sense for the mastermind theory. Lester has all that access. 7). Jan is the mastermind. She wrote the note on her own door, mad at Sazz for breaking it off. Sazz tries to warn Charles about this but is killed before she can (goes with first theory).
I think Helga is the accomplice. She had the code to get into the apartment and she likely met Marshall through her relationship with Sazz- that will likely come to light in this next episode. We know Helga was talking to Sazz and she was also on that ham radio. Sazz was researching plot holes, so Helga may have known that Sazz was on to something she was trying to hide. I also feel like Jan is going to show up (detective Williams said she was back in town) and Jan is going to recognize Loretta or Helga as someone she knows from her time in prison. Given what we now know, I think Dudenoff may have been the father of Dickie (Loretta's son). The father of Dickie was a young, traveling director at that time. I think Loretta is the person crossed out of the photo. She came around looking for dirt on Dudenoff. We never hear much about Mabel's aunt. I think Mabel's aunt has ties to the crime family. She seemed very distracted when that news feed broke in. Also who has suit bags? Dry Cleaners ... I also think it may be 2 people that get killed during the finale. I think Loretta is the favorite to be killed, but I wonder if there is more to Doreen (Charles sister). I wonder if Can Can's is some sort of nefarious business and that is why Big Mike is always there. And last, lets not forget that Teddy Dimas promised to destroy Oliver bar none. What better way than to kill his bride? Its interesting that Mabel reminds us again in Episode 9 that their podcast is still sponsored by the deli... I don't think that is a coincidence. I really hope Theo is back next season. I want Theo to be end game for Mabel.
Early on in episode 8 Helga was shown wearing the exact outfit and holding the pig like the photo. Dudenoff is not Dickie’s father because the director was a theatre director, he wouldn’t change industries and become a film professor, and the director was already much older than Loretta.
Exactly, don't mention that name at Sazz's service
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I think the main point is that Marshall had no accomplice. He has experience as a stunt man, and therefore could’ve done it faster (I’m sure he jumped off some ledge, rolled down some stairs, whatever). He put the trio on the 2 killers angle because he DID work alone, and used his stunt experience to be fast enough Side note: I’m putting my money on detective Williams being the victim in season 5, her being killed at Oliver’s wedding, and that’s how the mob comes in
Respectfully disagree - Rex/Marshall had brief experience as a poor stunt person, and is small in stature. Sazz was 6’0” tall, that’s a lot of dead weight to wrangle into a bag and move to the incinerator I the allotted time, and do the clean up. And move between locations. Not impossible but everything would have to be perfect,no one on the staircases or sidewalks, he’d would need to be in peak condition.
I think we jumped the gun on the two killer theory. I think there is only one killer and he or she was never in the Dudenov apartment. They repelled from the roof to the window and shot Sazz. Then opened the window, detached from the equipment and moved Sazz’s body to the incinerator. The killer probably will have a stunt background and the Westies are just a red herring.
What if Mabel’s aunt has ties to the dry-cleaners/mob and that’s what caused her to be estranged from Mabel’s mom. Maybe we’ll learn more about her next season!
I found it so weird how everyone seems to just take it as a guaranteed thing that Marshall killed Sazz, despite the fact that we have barely any evidence whatsoever connecting Marshall to Sazz's murder, the only thing we have is that, according to Ron Howard, Marshall stole his shoes two years ago, even though we never actually see Marshall wearing them, and even if he had a pair of those shoes, he is hardly the only one, making the shoes circumstantial evidence at best.
I think it's because Sazz had mentioned the stuntman protege being a potential stalker, so that kind of narrowed it down for them. It just became a matter of confirming who the stuntman was.
@@lonelyone Well, you kind of need this thing called evidence to figure out who killed her, just because one person mentioned Sazz once telling them that this guy had supposedly been giving her problems is pretty thin. Like for all we know, Helga could have just made it all up to send them on this wild goose chase because she is one of the killers. Remember, we never even heard Sazz say that, we only heard Helga tell them that Sazz had supposedly said it to her. We don't know if Marshall even was in New York when Sazz was killed, first time we saw him was in Los Angeles in the film crew meeting. The only thing we can pin Marshall on at the moment is stealing Sazz's script.
@@Klaital1 I know, but we're only going on show structure here, not real life logic. We as the audience read a lot into the flashback footage. Maybe that's why Mabel was confident enough to bring it up to Marshall, because she didn't realize what actual danger she was in. And for the record, I do think Helga is still hiding something from them, though I'm not sure if the show will have enough time to get into all of this in the final episode because there have been so many disparate threads set up this season.
Well presumably it’s about the story. He stole her script, wants to make it big as a writer, and then Sazz started calling up Bev to talk about the movie. As soon as Sazz starts to want to talk to the producers, presumably about the script, she gets shot. Marshall has a lot more reason to kill Sazz than to shoot Glenn. Truthfully all that glen had was that Marshall was Sazz’s protege but if he wanted to kill people who knew that he’d have to kill the entire movie set
I don't believe that Marshall killed Sazz, but he took her body to the incinerator. He stole her script for sure but what if he entered Charles apartment and saw her body, freaks out and get rid of it? I mean, there's gonna be only benefits for him doing that.
Alright... I have been going on since last season about the strange images of threes. Whether it's the actual number 3 or the backward 3 or the three Pickwick Triplet dolls or even just items grouped together in threes. This season, it was the multiple sets of 3 large dolls sitting together in the house of Charles' sister. And then there are the 3 Olivers at the movie set when the shooting took place there. And oh yeah, I almost forgot to mention the 3 deaths in this season. Sazz, Dudenoff, and now Glen Stubbins. Those are 3 bodies now. Two were murdered and one was different because he killed himself. So I have been racking my brain trying to go back and remember if there were any in season 1 being that it was suggested by the actors that there is someone who has been after the trio since that first podcast. Turns out there was an odd set of three in the first season. It was a scene of Detective Williams when she was a child. It was her and her two sisters who are twins. It kind of blew my mind a tiny bit because the Pickwick Triplet dolls are two that are identical and one that is slightly different. This is now driving me a little nuts. LOL! What are these visual clues that the writers keep dropping on us? Are there actually 3 Moriarty type characters behind it all? Or are they just messing with our heads? Why oh why is 3 the magic number? LOL! 3️⃣🔍🤔😆
I thought I was crazy for thinking this! The line to the Pickwick triplet song "which of the pickwick triplets did it?" Keeps running through my head. And the scene with the trio in the mirror, there three not 2 in the photos hoot. You point out a lot of 3's. Glen/Ben died 3 times too lol!
Ana “Sauce” could be the accomplice. When Dudenoff recorded the message for Helga, I think it was a coded message about a killer. He said things like “bounce back” (trampoline?)…. “Shield you from another death”…. My “plan has gone to HELL”, which is signifying it’s someone in the OH HELL card game crew. And then ended it with “here’s looking at you, Kid”. Which was pointing the finger at the KID in the OHHELL card crew…. Ana. She wanted Dudenoffs apartment and Helga go it.
Idk if it's a coincidence but the girl who played the irish nurse was also in dudenoffs classroom ... something that i find weird is why would they show who is the killed right before the finale , there must be a plot twist. And also , Sazz was kind to Marshall , ok yhea you stole her script , but why do you have to kill her ?? And Marshall already knew Stubbins recognize him , so why wait for so long to kill him ? Why wait for him to wake up to kill him and raise more suspicions? Moreover the lack of knowledge on the trio by marshall in his scripts shows that he is not the one following them since S1 Also , the tinsel that was in dudenoffs aprt , looks like the fire jacket that sazz gave to M , plus it doesn't catch on fire so ... but I cannot accept the fact she was killed because of a script ??? Looks like she realllyy liked M and im sure if he had asked , she would have given it to him ! I think bev is sus , we keep seeing her in every ep , she knows where the movie director is , maybe she is the one forcing Marshall to do all of this , she did in fact hear the voice mail and ordered marshall to get rid of her , We can see that marshall is very clumsy and maybe not fit enough to plan a murder However Bev is quite cunning Plus she was in the trampoline park Im more than 80% sure Marshall is not a killer
I like the way you think. Why show Marshall in glens hospital room without beard and glasses and then he has them back on when talking to Mabel? That seems purposeful. Before I watched episode 9 we had a theory that Marshall or someone will murder out of revenge and confuse the case because they think they figured it out but murder the wrong person or someone who wasn't the shooter but might've been slightly or accidentally involved. That's what another book has done and that book was just made a show released in USA that this same channel reviewed, Moonflower Murders. We just thought that felt similar. Where there is the main mystery if who killed Sazz, and then sort of side issues and the mystery who kills a second adjacent person that was involved somehow BUT not the main killer. We felt Marshall could be the fan person who kills who he thinks is the killer...possible still, maybe but not sure. Likes that idea because Sazz PATAKI shares a name with a character in that book kind of -- Andreas PATAKIS. We thought it was too much of a coincidence
@@amandachilds5290 Exactly , maybe marshall has a twin or something but there is definitely something sus about him. And imagine , his body caught on fire, you should have seen some scars or something ?
It's not Marshall. And I think Sazz is still alive. I think Ben Glenroy is still alive. And he's one of triplets. One triplet being the one who died in the elevator, one who died at the hospital (if he really is dead, the fishy nurse is the only one that told Mabel he was dead) and Ben Glenroy might show up at the wedding. He's always hated Charles.
I have too many theories right now but the one that I can't escape, and the picture you showed of the wedding helps... Gravey is going to find dead bodies in the courtyard during the wedding. What this also means is that maybe we don't need a "fresh" dead body, as Oliver insecurely put it earlier in the season, for season 5.
Hopefully 19 dead bodies since “no one ever finds 19 dead bodies buried in the backyard of a 14 story apartment building”. One of Charles’ very first lines in season 1!
The three potential accomplices: 1) other asian crew dude. Marshall's brother? Seems weird just a rando with zero background story would be the accomplice. 2) bev melon - might explain why she showed up unnannounced in Long Island and sazz' trampoline park. What was her motive besides crazy? Didnt want Sazz to muck up the production? 3) Rudy - had a gun in apt. Fit enough to lift a body. Knew about the incinerator. But why would he help Marshall? So marshall and bev make the most sense to me at this point.
Howard was walking Gravey and Sevelyn because he doesn’t have Hammy Faye anymore since Helga took her back! 😃 OF COURSE! 😄 What a big “duh” on me to miss that connection. That’s why I watch these videos - all the neat details. 😉 Glen was a sweetie, so I actually will miss him. BUT I predict Paul Rudd will be back next season - and his character’s name will be Roy. 😊 Ben Glenroy. We’ve met Ben, we’ve met Glen, and now, we need to meet Roy. 😁
I think he's triplets, but that would mean two are dead already but I think it was the third triplet that died in the other season. I think Ben will come back next season. Or the finale. lol
I think his reaction seeing Charles put up his picture was a real life surprise lol his reaction seemed real 😊 that was my favorite scene from this episode
In season 1 episode 1, Charles makes a joke about how the boondocks are where you should be worried about murderers. He says something like - you don't find 19 bodies buried in the back of a 12 story apartment. Whelp, I'm guessing there's been a big bad working in the background all show to prevent the trio from exposing something like that having happened at the Arconia. I'm hoping the mass murders will be exposed when the wedding happens in the Arconia in episode 10 - they had to have chosen the Arconia for a good reason to set up season 5. And if Gravy is there, maybe she'll happen to sniff out some buried bodies... now that would be setting up for an awesome season.
Now I'm thinking that bartender has something to do with Saz's murder. The bartender came to visit Glen. Then all of a sudden Marshall came in and killed Glenn. The nurse is in on something as well
There are so many ancillary characters, I don't even know what to think anymore. What about Dr. Maggie as well? And Helga? Big Mike? I hope all of these plotlines are resolved in the finale, although there's a lot of ground to cover in 35 minutes, including the wedding.
I cannot be that bartender because the actor who plays that bartender confirmed on the official podcast that he only appeared on the bar episode & cameo appearance. Plus, I think Rudy was one who moved the body. One of the episodes: on his computer was a folder saying Scripts..
Throughout the season, there's a lot of mention of doubles, maybe Rex and Marshall are twins. Bev Melon was a thought simply because the time stamp of the voicemail has really bothered me(maybe it's a continuity error) That news report that the camera so "casually" lingered on, i believe is a setup for next season. There was also a mention of "foul play" in the news report.
The other clue that Sazz was writing a script was that she wanted to talk to Charles about the plot holes in the first murder. Of course she'd want to talk to him about those because she needed to tighten up her own script so that her story didn't end up having those same holes. It's a very meta way for the show to acknowledge that season 1's crime wasn't perfect but that was on purpose. The access code for the Dudenoff apartment was on one of the notes in Sazz's apartment. Assuming Marshall (or his accomplice) had paid multiple visits to Sazz's apartment, he could have gotten the code before the murder. I still think it'd be a fun bit of theming to have that PA we only saw in a couple of back-to-back scenes a few weeks ago be the accomplice. They look like Marshall and even if there's no real relation, it would play into the season being about doubles (the famous actors playing the trio, the dolls standing in for Charles' sister's kids, Ben/Glenn, etc.) It definitely feels like the dry cleaning story was focused on just enough that it's the set up for season 5. Like you mentioned, we also have Charles' dry cleaning bag plus the coupon for dry cleaning that Oliver received. It feels like there's two mystery people out there: one is the person who is responsible for the aforementioned plot holes of season 1 who will end up being the season 5 killer and one who is trying to help direct the trio to the dry cleaners as being shady. It really feels like both this season and the series as a whole are finally coming full circle with the crumbs from season 1 paying off.
Like this feedback, Captain. When did Sazz mention to Charles the plot holes in season 1? In s3ep10, she said she wanted talk about "something sensitive" which in hindsight, was probably that she wrote a script about their podcast.
How did Bev show up at the trampoline park and at charles sisters place? She just was there and then no further discussion about that by the trio. Why?
Me and my friend have a theory that Marshall just put it Sazz'z body at the incinerator but didn't kill her. I mean, he definitely tried to make her body disappear but did he actually killed her? We don't think so. Sazz was killed after 11:07 pm, right after call Bev. What if right after Marshal was at the apartment to steal the script? That way, who shot Sazz was actually the big villain, the "Moriarty". When Glen was shot, Marshall left the scene right before we hear the shot. We can see Glen behind Oliver trying to get away of the "rats". It was so quickly that Marshall couldn't just left that building, go to another one and then shot Glen, because it was a sniper shot. I do believe that Marshall killed Glen after that but the sniper shot was Moriarty. What if Glen just said that it was two killers just to confuse the trio but at the same time, he knows that someone was a sniper because he was at the apartment while Sazz was killed (or right after). He panicked but it was good to him to get away with Sazz, because he could make his debut as a writer using her script. Also, the message sent from Sazz'z phone says "not your fucking friend". It looks like a Uma thing to say, so...what if Uma is the Moriarty?
I'm glad I guessed Marshall way back in episode 4, however part of my theory was wrong as I thought Glen would be the other killer. I don't think that anymore. I'm honestly at a loss as who the 2nd guy could be (if there even is a second guy). Rudy, Vince Fish, or brothers sisters would be my best guess as they all have Hollywood connections and might know Marshall enough in some capacity to help him
Another thought I had was the double theory. I think I pointed out at one point that there was a man who crossed in front of Howard's camera in that one episode. Could be Marshall's brother/the real Rex Bailey or something like that
How did people guess him back in episode 4? I was all in on him since episode 5 (his narrated episode). That's not the first time I've read theories about Rex Bailey being a totally separate person. Would it be jumping the shark to introduce yet another set of twins on this show?
@@lonelyone My theory was based on his "fly on the wall" quote and his name. His narration episode was where I started putting more bulk into the theory
Got a question about the mob connection story, do we think that will involve Charles's dad who was in jail and come full circle? Isn't it odd Doreen married a cop considering and we never got full explanation of why Rose Cooper hid and how that got their dad in trouble maybe?? Just something like a bit of a plot hole. Doreen said her mom was bonkers but Charles seemed to suggest it was because of how toxic his dad was to her in the monologue where he picked to kick on Bunny's door. This seems more likely than Mabel's aunt being tied to mob but we haven't really delved into that and might never go there.
I think Marshall accidentally shot the other killer who was dressed like Sazz and then that killer stabbed Sazz in the chest, thinking it was Charles. I think the two killers were unrelated, but if you watch the death scene, you see it's a man entering the apartment, and the man gets shot in the hip and not the chest. Then a scene cut and it's Sazz lying on the floor bleeding from her chest.
@doublePmedia I think Bev is Marshall’s accomplice as Sazz had called her at 11:07 pm EST. Plus Bev, was at Sazz’s place in Jersey with a gun. Maybe Sazz was going to pull the plug on the movie and so Bev was involved in her murder because Bev said that the movie must go on! Feel like there’s too many coincidences, not to be her. What say you? Is there a possibility that there’s more than one accomplice that assisted Marshall? Keep up the great work! Been following you for a few seasons now 😊
Bev has the most to lose if the movie was derailed because of what Sazz uncovered, & she was likely at the trampoline park to destroy any evidence Sazz found. Sazz was shot 1 min after leaving the message on Bev's voicemail, and I don't believe it's a coincidence. I think Bev ordered the hit on Sazz, but I'm still not convinced that Rex is Sazz's shooter. Rex killed Glen, but it could have been a crime of opportunity. I also think there may be a 3rd person involved, and it's likely someone at the Arconia who's been sending threatening messages to the trio since season 1.
Anybody else convinced that the PA from Planet Klongo film would have known who the stuntman was, as he was in the flashback talking to Sazz? Has he been seen in any other episodes?
Loretta is the girl with the westies from the picture, I'm sure. Her actually marrying Oliver would change the dinamic of the show too much and wouldn't feel right for the final season.
Lester the doorman has to be involved somehow in this seasons killing or next season. He is the one who is always taking the dry cleaning in and out of the apartments
If you ask me, this season seems to have a theme about mistakes and not getting to places soon enough, it’s been shown time and time again that if Charles let Sazz talk or at least drink the Olde Belgium, than Sazz wouldn’t have been murdered but if she did, they would’ve discovered the killer sooner.
Oh, my comment was read, thank you. For now, and I didn't see the final episode of season four, so I will take it down (even it's becoming my favorite season) 1- Season 2 2- Season 1 3- Season 3 I like all of them
I’m kind of thinking Marshall is the “fly on the wall” from Once upon a time in the west. Also, in the first episode Oliver acts out and falls on the floor where Sazz died, then Howard walks in with the dog (does this represent Helga the pig owner? - she is a locksmith), then they get another email from Bev Melon. I felt like that scene, along with a couple others could be representing what actually happened. Since the first episode I’ve felt like once upon a time in the west represents the plot, three people are hired to kill someone and they trap the fly on the wall. There’s even a scene in the first episode where three cowboys walk into paramount led by a woman (melon?) and there is someone who looks alot like Marshall on a bench across from Mabel. I’m kind of wondering if melon is related to Cindy canning (person from episode one trying to take them down) because she’s got the dark hair and glasses and Marshall has that look too. I’m all over the map with the suspects and possibilities; I’ll probably re watch the first 9 episodes before watching 10.
If the movie is a direct parallel; the guy with "weird eyes" could be Nick Fish; and Christmas guy is strong enough to carry Sazz, while Helga could pick the lock. They would know about the incinerator too. The train tracks could represent the distance between their apartments and Charles' as well - in the movie, Charles Bronson arrives on the other side of the tracks when he departs the train. Could be meaningful symbolism; or could just represent the podcasters initial suspicions... 🤷♂
Great work as always! There's a new TV show coming in December, I'm not entirely sure if it is a murder mystery, but it looks like it. It's called "No good deed". Maybe it fits this format :)
I think the hints that Sazz wrote a script were very slight and done just right. When you look retroactively at her actions you can see the hints were there. Sazz wanted to talk to Charles the night she died, about something sensitive - I think it was the script. It also now makes sense why Sazz was looking into season 1 plot holes, because she spotted them whilst writing the script. I wasn’t sure if the plot holes were anything more but you’re right it could lead us to an accomplice. Imagine if Sazz wasn’t really dead as a final rug pull I don’t think it’s Williams and it’s not a backwards 3, soz! This season has had so many bodies! I think we’re looking at a time skip at the end of the season like after season 2. That’d be so many murders to solve all in a row
The dr at Concussions said that Sazz wanted to retire and go in a new direction. The sensitive thing Sazz wanted to talk about to Charles was the movie I'm guessing. This is why the script was in with the beer.
I wasn't sure how I felt about Marshall being revealed as the killer but the more I think about it the more i like it. Kudos to the people who worked out the small clues weeks ago. The big drop in writing standard, and being recognised by Glen. Good catches indeed. The hidden cameras, podcast notes and the missing evidence don't make much sense still. I hope the shooting, disposal of the body and who ever helped Marshall are wrapped up in a satisfying way.
I find it odd the killer was revealed in Episode 9. I have been a Marshall stand but now I wonder if the bartender took the shot and Marshall is the clean up crew. Or are the Bartender and Doctor working together? Marshall might be stealing a script but mass murder? I doubt he was the one behind this murder plot. Was Sazz wearing her dad's vest the night she was shot? If prepped for it, she knew how to survive being burned alive.
I always said I thought she looked like she was wearing a vest in the scene she was shot and that was why for a long time I didn't think she was dead, but then changed my mind, then this episode features a vest again and I'm like maybe it was right the first time😂🤦🤷
I think Rex and Marshall are two different people(twins). Marshall was outside Mabel's while Rex killed Glen and Marshall & Rex were both in Dudenoff's apartment, which they found out about probably from stalking Zazz(who could have thought that the Westies killed Dudenoff, like Helga did, and was investigating that and that's how she got involved with them) and Marshall took the shot, while Rex took Zazz's body to the incinerator. Rex's motive: revenge because he blames Zazz. Marshall's motive: steal Zazz's script. While Marshall didn't get the script and had been trying to perfect it, Rex found two opportunities to kill Glen and took advantage of them, as the second part of his revenge. In the end, Zazz's investigation into the plot holes on the podcast had nothing to do with her death; it was just two stories intertwining with each other, for Zazz to be taken out of the picture so that the trio can investigate in the next season. Maybe, if season 5 is the last, there won't even be a murder in S4E10 and it could just be the trio realizing the plot holes and while they weren't actually in trouble this season, but the guys' double were, they will be in the next. If not, then most likely Loretta or Detective Williams will get killed. Most likely Detective Williams because I feel like the last season will focus mostly on all the characters, and unlike Zazz or Tim Kono, Detective Williams had the same relationship with all of the trio, so her death would be, instead of one avenging a friend, all of the trio avenging a friend. Also: in keeping with the theme of characters having doubles, that would fit Rex and Marshall being twins.
I’m still confused about how the killer knew it was sazz and not Charles in the apartment Is there a chance that there’s a twist and it was Charles that was the target, you never know
@DoublePMedia - I’m pretty sure Escape from Planet Klongo was a reference to the fictional movie Ron Howard was filming that the trio were stand-ins for this episode.
So, the fix to there being no hint toward Sazz is Sazz teaches Rex to stunt and in exchange, Rex teaches Sazz to write. They met one year after Tim Kono/at the end of the first season. So, she likely really wanted to tell her best friend's story and a writer falling into her lap was what she thought she needed
Favorite seasons in this order, season 1, season 3, season 4 and then season 2. I hated how Mabel was outcasted and that lack luster BORING kiss with cara de Lavigne, they should have kept Oscar. The chemistry was perfect with him.
Nah, that's not a backwards 3 'E' on the evidence bag. One of the 'O' letters is odd though, where it says '3ND THE PᵒDCAST' on the note. We've been focused on the 3/E, have we seen the almost superscript-style 'O' anywhere else?
Yes, Der. Williams knew about the podcast. Who were the other fans listening in. The building does have tunnels. Someone else is spying on the trio from day 1 season 1. Possibly Charles sister and brother in law
Now as for an acomplice, I say the Westies are not to be to ruled out, I say that Rudy has helped Marshall in some way. First of all we learn that he is physically fit, and would be the one who could help Marshall move Sazz's body, also notice that Vince Fish was able unseal his painted window with Rudy's help, (when they are using the drone). The trio noticed Dudenoff's window had a broken seal as well, I think Rudy helped Marshall open it. Also, he is an imposter, pretending to love Christmas when he hates it. Also, Det. Williams said that the westies were interviewed and they all confirmed that they heard a gunshot that night except for RUDY! Plus he knows all about the incinerator. I'm wondering also about Rudy saying he wanted to be free of roomates, maybe he knew Marshall previousy. Also, I think the murder will be proven with the help of one of those many hidden cameras. And it's really awkward that the Brother Sister's said that they were at the Dudenoff apartment the night of the murder, as well as the killer/killers. Too much going on at the murder scene at the same time. Well, the hidden cameras are key.
I love your videos!!! They’re fantastic! I think Helga is the accomplice because she’s a locksmith and could access all the apartments, Sazz wrote her name down on the LA to NYC plane ticket, and Hammy Faye Baker was found in Dudenoff’s apartment (so Helga must have left her there and knew how to gain access to his apartment).
The other person is one of the twins preferably the one that can lift.Maybe he showed them the script and one of them liked it/him. Hope it’s not a love story. Either way they knew the apartment layout maybe cause of sazz. Again with sazz, she only wanted to talk to Charles when the script is about everyone so this info has to be about him, maybe the mother again? The notes have to be from someone old, bunny’s friend. I think the mastermind is hiding something that has to do with the history of that whole place, maybe linked to Charles mother (painting) or Mabel’s aunt. Maybe one of them own the building, it always come back to the building. Maybe the body is still there.
I was actually stating to like Glenn and they bump him off 😢 Knew Ron Ron would be a friend of Oliver’s. It was a sweet moment. Could be anyone, as the accomplice, let’s just hope they make it good. My bet don’t know why would be on the girl in the sauce family….maybe her and Marshall are dating and she wants to get away from her family or something 🤷♀️
Likely Sazz, Sazz’s killer, the accomplice of Sazz’s killer, or Dudenoff wore silver fireproof clothing in Arconia bc they planned to use or enter the incinerator. Sazz gave “Rex Bailey” her old silver fireproof jacket. Doesn’t mean the “tinsel” in Dudenoff’s apartment is from that specific jacket. Could have come from any silver fireproof clothing. Did Sazz or Dudenoff fake their deaths by using silver fireproof clothing in the incinerator? Did Sazz’s killer or the accomplice wear silver fireproof clothes as part of their plan to shoot Sazz & burn her in incinerator?
Marshall has a twin. This season is full of twins/doubles. Its Sazz who has access to the Dudenoff apt to watch Charles and develop her script. Since Rex is the protege, he knows how to enter it.
After Rex/Marshall being blacklisted by Ron, what if Sazz feels guilty and asks Rex/Marshall to help her with the movie script and Sazz takes him here and there for the investigation. Thus, Marshall/Rex knows the Dudenoff's apartment, incinerator, etc. Untill at some point something happen between them, they fight, and Rex/Marshall wants to claim Sazz's script all alone. Maybe Marshall/Rex throws the idea to monitor the trio with the cameras to know their characters and Sazz doesn't like the idea. Or they find out something (maybe the mob thingy) and Sazz doesn't want to continue the movie because it will be dangerous for the trio but Marshall/Rex insists to continue the script.
Season 1 was my favorite because I really didn’t know what to expect! Everything was a surprise. I appreciate the somewhat formulaic style of the show but it has removed that first blind excitement I felt with the first season
I originally thought Glen was his accomplice, but I’ve about decided it was just him. He said it had to be someone very athletic to have done it in that time frame. He’s very athletic. He had weights all over his apartment and did you see the way he kicked the door shut in Mabel’s apartment. Also, he could have used the roof to get from one place to the other in a shorter amount of time.
You make a good point that it's illogical for Marshall to be the one who points out there had to be 2 killers, so what if that's not actually what happened? What if he never had an accomplice? What if he shot Sazz and then went to Charles' apartment only to discover HER BODY WAS ALREADY GONE? Perhaps he's worried she didn't actually die- and indeed, perhaps she didn't and you were right all along- and he tipped off the podcast so that they could find out what happened and he could try to stay one step ahead and finish the job?
DID MARSHALL HAVE AN ACCOMPLICE? Rank the OMITB seasons!
@@DoublePMedia other than Donna not really needing to poison Ben, Season 3 is my favorite because the music, Rudd and Streep are amazing. Then season 1, season 2 and this season If no cool twist.
Now I zoomed in the photo at then end I am really hoping for the twist I see and that will change this order probably!! I can't wait now and I was feeling blah after last episode like I shouldn't have stayed up to watch it so this gives me hope my original idea at end of last season is TRUE
1. Season 1
2. Season 4 (so far)
3. Season 3
4. Season 2
2,3,1,4
Marshall is in the room when Glen gets shot. Either he has an "evil twin"/accomplice or he has nothing to do with Glen getting shot.
If his "evil twin" isn't a machination of his mind, like what occurs in Adaptation, then we've seen his "evil twin" in the Episode titled Blow Up.
If his "evil twin" is a machination then Rex (means King in Latin) Bailey (riffing on It's a Wonderful Life?) is his DID / split personality. Getting us ready for Season 5 and Det. Williams DID (dissociative identity disorder).
If Marshall / Rex are 1-and-the-same, this might explain Nicky the Neck. Glen's been outta of a job since Ben went Broadway & died, and perhaps got in deep to the mob. The bartender is one of their henchmen. They tried to off Glen to send a message to other deadbeats being late on their payments? Sazz had retirement plans (plural). Poor Glen may have not?
Rankings
1) season 1
2) season 4 (thus far)
3) season 3
4) season 2 - loved the suspense and learning about the building, but the Poppy motive fell flat for me
Glad to have been right about the writer. It annoyed me that the fact that Sazz wrote the script seemed to come out of nowhere … and only then did I realize that that I had missed the clues. Sazz wasn’t investigating the murders, she was researching for her script, and that’s why she discovered all the plot holes. I think that’s why the actors noticed all the plot holes, too … not because they were smarter, but because they read the script! The script could explain a lot of things, giving them a bit of deus ex machina.
That's a very interesting point about Sazz researching for her script. Also interesting that none of the trio thought to read the script in full either, even though they agreed to having a film told about their lives.
Yes the actors read the whole original script and tried to prepare for it and saw holes. That's what Loretta was trying to say they do and it was a good idea. I think Sazz might've been following the Dudenoff thread for a second script and potential collaboration with the trio if they investigated that murder in the building to help with a franchise. She was stumbling into the other possible murder thread too with the sick pup, Jan note/ Oliver note and other clues that were to do with Dudenoff but she never got to figure that set out and that's what NEXT season will feature I think or maybe if theres a season 6. Sazz walked on the dangerous side with Jan, stunts, stealing friends partners and more. She met her match with which mystery is still NOT totally clear. Was it an unhinged protege or was it sie thing way bigger like the hinted at strangler or the Nicky the Neck thing? I'm still wondering if she wasn't following Cookie and stumbled into the Dudenoff thing when she saw the ledgers at the Bodega...kind of hoping for a cliffhanger after last season seeing a literal Cliff hanging and that this mystery gets a new layer with a new nurse but that the Sazz angle and her research keeps going and then she can have more scenes too. But doubt they will do that sadly.
That is very true. Sazz writing the script she would think about how to answer those plot holes in the movie, to make it make sense and give the audience closure.
That is actually make sense!
What about Sazz telling Charles in last season that many people want to harm Charles(or something along that line)??
Bev said Sazz called her to tell her there was a problem with the movie. I think she told her more than that. I think she told her about Marshall stealing the script. Bev is ambitious and cut-throat enough to want to cover up the theft and save the movie. She's also a gun owner. When the trio caught Bev at the trampoline park, I think Bev was looking for Sazz's original script.
Brilliant, I think you are right.
glen dying broke my heart :( he had just found mrs glen stubbins!!!
"youve been shot in the head"
"nay...the heart"
Glen and Sazz didn't deserve this!
Something is fishy about all that, I think Ben Glenroy is a part of triplets and he might still be alive.
1. Season 1 best murder
2. Season 3 most fun plus I love musicals
3. Season 2 best suprise murder
4. Season 4 it is good it's not over yet so
Another S1 favorite vote. It's close
Yes! I agree. Because I can relate to Debbie from zDuluth, I would put Season 3first
I’m going to miss OMITB weekly recaps 😢❤
I'll be back next week, and next season. Any other show we should do? We'll always have Hammy Faye Baker :)
I also heard that Season 5 is the last season of OMITB.
After watching the ending of episode 9, i might’ve conclude:
1. It was Sazz who recorded them all since season 1, in order to create a more realistic script about Only Murders In The Building as soon as she knew about the trio podcast
2. Sazz knew that Jan Is the killer in season 1, that’s why she wrote ‘I’m Watching You’ and put it in Jan’s front door
3. Sazz is in Ham Radio as mentioned by Helga, and she brought Marshall to also spying the trio in the West Arconia
4. Marshall stole the Script and submit it to the Twin Director, without Sazz’s acknowledge , the Director loves the script and agreed to made a movie deal
5. Marshall killed Sazz from the West with the help of someone from the westie because he is relatively small man, and Sazz way bigger than him, i think he needs someone big and muscular to took Sazz’s body to Incinerator, my guess is That muscular Christmas Guy who might’ve been his love interest.
6. Sazz wanted to tell Charles that they are being recorded, that’s why she told him about ‘something sensitive’ , but as we know, Sazz being shot by the killer immediately after she wanted to talk to Charles about it, and Sazz trying to wrote ‘TAPING’ as her last message, but only managed to wrote ‘TAPIN’ that misunderstood the trio into ‘Tap-In’
I like it -- Sazz joked that she had copies of all their keys made
@@DoublePMedia yep, that was my solid guess, that’s how Marshall took Sazz’s phone , and sending ‘I’m Watching You’ message to the trio and also how he got to the hospital soon after receiving phone call from the nurse.
@@DoublePMedia she wasn't joking though
Dude are you "wrote the script" for the final episode? 😂
I also think Rudy is the murder partner. The motive is to be involved in the movie so he could get out of his online persona as the Christmas fitness guy. He told Mable and Eva that he hates his job.
6:39 When they spoke about Sazz transitioning into a new career, they probably meant as a script writer, but they couldn't reveal it as it would have made it too obvious that she wrote the script.
Marshall, while stalking Sazz, likely found out she was a ham radio hobbyist and was potentially listening to Sazz's conversations with Helga. So he learned about Dudenoff's apartment and door code that way.
Yes! This is what I think too
Fly on the wall: Marshall was stalking Sazz.. Marshall was in her flat when Trio was looking at clues.. Marshall was looking for another script as well
I think the dog will be at the wedding and I think the dog will dig up a bone and that will make everyone realize there are Bodies in the backyard of the apartment
And Lester will be the killer or 6 avenue slasher who’s hid those bodies
THAT WOULD BE BRILLIANT!!!!
BOTH dogs. One cadaver and Winnie too. Or maybe Winnie will go and attack or be all over someones leg like Sting incident and we will finally realize why Winnie did it and what that scene meant. Good comment
Oh wow! Grave-y you naughty dog! 😂
@@see3202 it will be the mafia dude missing or maybe Jan?
Rudy has to be the accomplice. He has the musclepower to move Sazz's body. He knows about the incinerator. He has the motive to kill Sazz because she was investigating Dudenoff's murder (which he may have learnt over the ham radio, as Helga also knew about it). He may also have written the "End the podcast..." note because the inverted 3 matches the E on the note and the word "Emma" on his abs. He also talked about how writing on yourself is hard, which might mean that he is left-handed/ambidexterous. He may have known Marshall through the stunt community since he is an out-of-work actor and into fitness. He has access to Dudenoff's apartment to let Marshall/Rex in. In season 3, when Sazz entered Charles' apartment there is a silhouette of a person who looks like Charles/Sazz but is not actually Sazz, that person has a sharp nose and chin, which fits Rudy's silhouette. All the westies were playing cards when Sazz's murder happen except Rudy. Too much evidence!
He’s a hunter cos he uses deer hoof in his protein shake, the casing found in Dudenoff’s apt matches a gun most hunters use
something i noticed...
Both Rudy (ep. 8) and Marshall (in ep.5) divert the investigators attention by bringing up COMEDY.
Rudy offers to do a comedy version of the bit from a Few Good Men, which makes everyone wave him off and start to not take him seriously.
And Marshall brings up his comedy act as an alibi because he knows nobody wants to see it.
I think this is one of the many signs that Marshall and Rudy are working together.
It ties into the symbolism of not taking writers seriously, which is why they moved this season to be set after the writer's strike in the real world.
OH MY GOD THE TINSEL IS THE VEST. I always thought how christmas guy tested it was odd, because yes tinsel is flamable, but also I feel like anything would catch on fire if you just old it over an open flame...except material that is fire proof
my question now is, how did the vest 'tinsel' get into Dudenoff apartment? Was it stuck to his shoe? after all these years?
@@DoublePMedia it could be that like out of rage and spite Rex/Marshall wore it. Like “Sazz said it would protect me but it didn’t do anything so I’m gonna wear it when I kill her”
@@liluziintrovert it's the one big clue left to be explained like the lipstick on the hankie was a weird very personal thing between the two "killers" last season. We have to learn what it means this "killer/ killers" this season. I still think those shoe prints and the gun position in Dudenoff's place and tinsel/ vest piece are all pointing to something very specific and significant to be divulged at the beginning next episode since Mabel confronted Marshall and Mabel witnessed the kids and hankie ritual last season. I am still hoping for it be maybe Marshall thought it was Glen and the bartender who killed Sazz from the clues, so he tried to get revenge but probably killed the wrong guy in Glen or something, who was maybe accidentally involved. Maybe when everyone thinks it was Glen that noticed Rex It was also the Rex noticed something about Glen like the bread or shoes or how did he know where Charles lived? It still needs to be a little more layered to be worthy of this Show imho.
ALSO There's a Multiple personality/ Dissociative Identity Disorder set of theories out there. MIne was for Jan to explain the season 1 notes and note threats, I put forth a long time ago due to the 2 different styles in the lonely notes in Tim Kono blue string thrown out trash, and then there was the one recently said on this channel or the other one I listen to for Det. Williams who was into Herman's Head and hates twins (I thought she was haunted by ghost twins from the 1950s) lol, BUT maybe we got these ideas intuitively because IT'S Marshall/ Rex who really has the Split personality problem and we all thought it was just good old IMPOSTER Syndrome!?!? 🤔 It could work to make the parts that we sympathize with be explained and the REAL REASON Sazz said he'd be the death of her. He was never the same guy. Sometimes super sweet and optimistic Rex with the clumsiness and sometimes the ruthless guy who got revenge by stealing...he stole the shoes and maybe stole the script and vest?? Is that the missing piece? It's all good and would really make the last episode better than I was an A hole and got hurt when Sazz became the writer and the stunt man I couldn't and it was simple jealousy and greed....that is a much less interesting finale inho.
"Don't ever mention the fishing hole!"
Aunt Bea - now we know who the real Mayberry ‘B’ was!
How did Bev know about Sazz' location for her school to be there searching it and finds a gun? Sazz specifically tells Charles about it and to keep it between them because she trusts him.
Look back to the guy that appears to give a signal (hand behind back) just before the gunshots at the photo shoot, and he looks very much like Marshall, just longer hair, was it a twin brother? The show is focused on twins/doubles etc.
Also, don't forget that the super hates Mabel, and likely the podcast by extension. AND he would know about the incinerator, how to run it, have access to all the apartments (someone placed the cameras in S1 and has to replace batteries regularly) and know about the westies empty apartment. Though honestly, why no one would go back later and clean out the incinerator is just silly. Also, it isn't an actual a cremation machine, so teeth would also likely survive, but they are never mentioned.
Lestor has the the same knowledge and access, and has been around forever, so could he be the 6th Street killer in retirement? Maybe with bodies buried under the Arconia or in the courtyard? So he doesn't want anyone investigating murders? Remember Charles opening dialog about "never finding 14 bodies buried under an apartment building"? And Poppy says she there is 'more going on there than anyone knows, and I can show you the bodies'.
Also, as unimportant asides that I think were huge misses, Zoey's parents supposedly owned the entire 11th floor but no rich parent comes forward when the mystery of their daughters death is revealed? And Mabel's aunt never appears with all that is going on with her niece why living in her apartment?
Great point about Zoey's parents!
I think Glen told Bev about Paradise. He was in the room (just casually said he was just going to use the "rat baffler" inversion machine, so he eavesdropped, intentional or not) when Charles was asking her about Sazz, and he asked if Sazz had ever mentioned Paradise.
I think the next time we see Glen was when he was delivering the soda bread. He was thanking them because he got a job on the film by dropping the trio's names (though I doubt they had done anything), but the job could also have been reward/thanks for the Paradise info (wittingly or not, given to Bev).
Teeth can be consumed in an incinerator if it burns long and hot enough, but bones are not. They have to separate and pulverize them, then put that "ash" back in with the burned remains. So in reality there would have been bones from both bodies, if they were just left alone after running the incinerator.
I feel like Zoe‘s family had left l the building after her death, so I don’t know why the trio would have an update on their reaction to the Dimoses being involved in her death. The only member of the trio who knew Zoe is Mabel. The event happened over 10 years ago
Mabel’s aunt asked Mabel to renovate her apartment so it could be sold, and it has been sold. No mystery here.
When Marshall was in Mabel's apartment, he was clearly using a MacBook. If villains are prohibited from using Apple products, this would support the theory that Marshall and Rex are not the same person. The person with Sazz's phone answered the call from the nurse that Glen was awake, and presumably also wrote and sent the "I'm watching you." messages. It's hard to believe this could be Rex, and more likely a resident of the Arconia, like a Westie.
I agree, Marshall is not the murderer.
Tinfoil hat theory: Rex is Marshall's twin and is Helga's boyfriend. Helga is a lockpick so she can get into every apartment and plant cameras. She also knows about the incinerator, which Rex or Marshall don't. Helga has no motive on her own to kill Sazz, but her boyfriend did, after they teamed up together to steal the script. In fact, she probably knew about the script. She could have also pre-recorded a convo with Sazz on the ham radio to play on Bev Melon's voicemail to throw off the timeline on the murder board. Sazz may have been shot earlier. Another clue, when she says "I love you Hammy Faye Baker" how did she know they had her pig if she wasnt talking to the Westies? Easy, she has access to cameras in their apartments. I'm not convinced Marshall even knows Helga and Rex killed Sazz. A big clue he isn't the murderer is in the photoshoot scene when he is seen wearing different shoes than Ron Howards.
Rudy is a fitness guru, so likely athletic enough to run from West tower to East tower to carry Sazz’s body. The writing on his abdomen had a backwards E.
Correct, Det. Purple Mosquito (love that handle)
Something that I noticed for a few weeks now, but thought it might be a mid-level spoiler/hint so I've kept it to myself, but since we're at ep 9, here it is:
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Rudy's last name Thurber is named after OMITB S4's script coordinator McKenna Thurber. I don't think this is a coincidence as Thurber is not a common last name, and Rudy & Vince Fish (red-herring?) are the only 2 Westies to have a last name. My thinking is why give Rudy a last name if he isn't an important character?
Also he’s a hunter, hence the mount for the “fake gun” and he uses deer hoof in his protein shake
He’s obviously not gonna have the murder weapon on display anymore
So I have a theory! Sazz left Bev a voicemail right before she was killed, at 11.07 I think. BUT Beverly said it was a random number and she didnt pick up. Also, Sazz never says Bev's name in verband voicemail. So my theory is, Sazz called someone from the movie (maybe the Sisters), left a voicemail. That person killed Sazz at 10.00 or something and left Sazz's voicemail forewarded it at 11.07 to Bev. That way people will think Sazz was alive at 11.07 when in fact she was long dead. In season 3 episode 10, Sazz is killed while the party is still going. In season 4 episode 1, the Incinerator burns the body of Sazz at 11.18, while Charles, Oliver and Mabel are recording their podcast. So, long story short: 1 killer, Sazz was killed far earlier than 11.07.
Ps: while I am at it. Oliver says the killer must have had access to Charles's apartment. The Killer could have used the Arconian secret passageways, since they talked about it on the podcast in season 2 and it seems to now be public knowledge. BUT, Howard has been coming into peoples appartments without them opening the door to him. He just knocks and enters. I dont really suspect Howard, but I feel it is important. Als Sazz says she had made copies of all their keys.
Season 2 > Season 4 > Season 1 > Season 3
HOWEVER, I must point out that there are absolutely no “bad” seasons. Just some that are better than others IMO.
Another s2 as favorite vote. It's close
Couple of crazy thoughts/theories going into the finale.
1). Tap in theory: (just occurred to me) Sazz intentionally went into Charles’ house, knowing the sniper was watching as a way to sacrifice herself for Charles, therefore the message was her telling Charles it was her last time tapping in for him, and she did it to save his life.
2). The entire Hollywood team has been shooting the trio this entire time - which will actually be what the movie is. - maybe they faked sazz’s death or killed her and have been taping the trio like a reality show for a documentary style movie.
3). Howard is the mastermind, and a former student of dudenoff. CLUE: after the shooting on set, Howard says he learned to never stop rolling, but then hesitates to say who taught him. He eventually says the brothers sisters. Surprised nobody has talked about this.
4). The actors are in on it somehow. Eugene Levy appears to collect mable’s fingerprints by asking her to open chips for him. He also looks concerned when Charles mentions sazz’s stunt center. Eva acting weird all season…
5). Bev melon went to.sazz’s stunt facility to try and find script because she knows Marshal stole it.
6). Lester the doorman is shown in the same scene with Marshall helping him wheel in their jackets - very sus considering what we know about Marshall and how little Lester has been in it, this makes sense for the mastermind theory. Lester has all that access.
7). Jan is the mastermind. She wrote the note on her own door, mad at Sazz for breaking it off. Sazz tries to warn Charles about this but is killed before she can (goes with first theory).
I think that tap in was supposed to be taping like the r filming them
I think Helga is the accomplice. She had the code to get into the apartment and she likely met Marshall through her relationship with Sazz- that will likely come to light in this next episode. We know Helga was talking to Sazz and she was also on that ham radio. Sazz was researching plot holes, so Helga may have known that Sazz was on to something she was trying to hide.
I also feel like Jan is going to show up (detective Williams said she was back in town) and Jan is going to recognize Loretta or Helga as someone she knows from her time in prison. Given what we now know, I think Dudenoff may have been the father of Dickie (Loretta's son). The father of Dickie was a young, traveling director at that time. I think Loretta is the person crossed out of the photo. She came around looking for dirt on Dudenoff.
We never hear much about Mabel's aunt. I think Mabel's aunt has ties to the crime family. She seemed very distracted when that news feed broke in. Also who has suit bags? Dry Cleaners ... I also think it may be 2 people that get killed during the finale. I think Loretta is the favorite to be killed, but I wonder if there is more to Doreen (Charles sister). I wonder if Can Can's is some sort of nefarious business and that is why Big Mike is always there.
And last, lets not forget that Teddy Dimas promised to destroy Oliver bar none. What better way than to kill his bride? Its interesting that Mabel reminds us again in Episode 9 that their podcast is still sponsored by the deli... I don't think that is a coincidence. I really hope Theo is back next season. I want Theo to be end game for Mabel.
Theo and Mabel - I like it
Early on in episode 8 Helga was shown wearing the exact outfit and holding the pig like the photo. Dudenoff is not Dickie’s father because the director was a theatre director, he wouldn’t change industries and become a film professor, and the director was already much older than Loretta.
The Detective Williams theory would be the COLDEST and most TERRIFYING reveal yet. Ngl even if you figured it out a week early I’d still be FLOORED.
I don't want it to be true, don't think it would be true - yet she's a great actress and could pull it off
@@DoublePMedia She's an amazing actress, I love her character tho I don't want her to be the big villain.
It won't be revealed until next season if she is Moriarty or part of the Moriarty story line.
Just realized that rex Bailey was mentioned at sazz funeral 😭
Exactly, don't mention that name at Sazz's service
I think the main point is that Marshall had no accomplice. He has experience as a stunt man, and therefore could’ve done it faster (I’m sure he jumped off some ledge, rolled down some stairs, whatever). He put the trio on the 2 killers angle because he DID work alone, and used his stunt experience to be fast enough
Side note: I’m putting my money on detective Williams being the victim in season 5, her being killed at Oliver’s wedding, and that’s how the mob comes in
Wow! Det. Williams dying would be a SHOCK
Respectfully disagree - Rex/Marshall had brief experience as a poor stunt person, and is small in stature. Sazz was 6’0” tall, that’s a lot of dead weight to wrangle into a bag and move to the incinerator I the allotted time, and do the clean up. And move between locations. Not impossible but everything would have to be perfect,no one on the staircases or sidewalks, he’d would need to be in peak condition.
I think the bartender is suspicious too; maybe he was the one who helped Marshal. He was in the hospital, what if he was the emergency contact?
I think we jumped the gun on the two killer theory. I think there is only one killer and he or she was never in the Dudenov apartment. They repelled from the roof to the window and shot Sazz. Then opened the window, detached from the equipment and moved Sazz’s body to the incinerator. The killer probably will have a stunt background and the Westies are just a red herring.
Would love that question, tho I have a question - how did the casing end up in the Dudenoff apartment?
What if Mabel’s aunt has ties to the dry-cleaners/mob and that’s what caused her to be estranged from Mabel’s mom. Maybe we’ll learn more about her next season!
Would love that, yet at this point, I'm wondering if the show will ever introduce Mabel's aunt!
Oh no! Gravey is going to dig up Nicky the Neck actual neck bone in the Arconia courtyard during the wedding! 😂
The neck bones connected to the head bone...
I found it so weird how everyone seems to just take it as a guaranteed thing that Marshall killed Sazz, despite the fact that we have barely any evidence whatsoever connecting Marshall to Sazz's murder, the only thing we have is that, according to Ron Howard, Marshall stole his shoes two years ago, even though we never actually see Marshall wearing them, and even if he had a pair of those shoes, he is hardly the only one, making the shoes circumstantial evidence at best.
I think it's because Sazz had mentioned the stuntman protege being a potential stalker, so that kind of narrowed it down for them. It just became a matter of confirming who the stuntman was.
@@lonelyone Well, you kind of need this thing called evidence to figure out who killed her, just because one person mentioned Sazz once telling them that this guy had supposedly been giving her problems is pretty thin.
Like for all we know, Helga could have just made it all up to send them on this wild goose chase because she is one of the killers. Remember, we never even heard Sazz say that, we only heard Helga tell them that Sazz had supposedly said it to her.
We don't know if Marshall even was in New York when Sazz was killed, first time we saw him was in Los Angeles in the film crew meeting.
The only thing we can pin Marshall on at the moment is stealing Sazz's script.
@@Klaital1 I know, but we're only going on show structure here, not real life logic. We as the audience read a lot into the flashback footage. Maybe that's why Mabel was confident enough to bring it up to Marshall, because she didn't realize what actual danger she was in.
And for the record, I do think Helga is still hiding something from them, though I'm not sure if the show will have enough time to get into all of this in the final episode because there have been so many disparate threads set up this season.
Well presumably it’s about the story. He stole her script, wants to make it big as a writer, and then Sazz started calling up Bev to talk about the movie. As soon as Sazz starts to want to talk to the producers, presumably about the script, she gets shot. Marshall has a lot more reason to kill Sazz than to shoot Glenn. Truthfully all that glen had was that Marshall was Sazz’s protege but if he wanted to kill people who knew that he’d have to kill the entire movie set
I don't believe that Marshall killed Sazz, but he took her body to the incinerator. He stole her script for sure but what if he entered Charles apartment and saw her body, freaks out and get rid of it? I mean, there's gonna be only benefits for him doing that.
IT‘S BEV MELON !!!
I would like that!
I think so too! I think she is mob connected. Shortened her name to melon
Alright... I have been going on since last season about the strange images of threes. Whether it's the actual number 3 or the backward 3 or the three Pickwick Triplet dolls or even just items grouped together in threes. This season, it was the multiple sets of 3 large dolls sitting together in the house of Charles' sister. And then there are the 3 Olivers at the movie set when the shooting took place there. And oh yeah, I almost forgot to mention the 3 deaths in this season. Sazz, Dudenoff, and now Glen Stubbins. Those are 3 bodies now.
Two were murdered and one was different because he killed himself.
So I have been racking my brain trying to go back and remember if there were any in season 1 being that it was suggested by the actors that there is someone who has been after the trio since that first podcast.
Turns out there was an odd set of three in the first season. It was a scene of Detective Williams when she was a child. It was her and her two sisters who are twins.
It kind of blew my mind a tiny bit because the Pickwick Triplet dolls are two that are identical and one that is slightly different.
This is now driving me a little nuts. LOL! What are these visual clues that the writers keep dropping on us? Are there actually 3 Moriarty type characters behind it all? Or are they just messing with our heads? Why oh why is 3 the magic number? LOL!
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I thought I was crazy for thinking this! The line to the Pickwick triplet song "which of the pickwick triplets did it?" Keeps running through my head. And the scene with the trio in the mirror, there three not 2 in the photos hoot. You point out a lot of 3's.
Glen/Ben died 3 times too lol!
Ana “Sauce” could be the accomplice. When Dudenoff recorded the message for Helga, I think it was a coded message about a killer. He said things like “bounce back” (trampoline?)…. “Shield you from another death”…. My “plan has gone to HELL”, which is signifying it’s someone in the OH HELL card game crew. And then ended it with “here’s looking at you, Kid”. Which was pointing the finger at the KID in the OHHELL card crew…. Ana. She wanted Dudenoffs apartment and Helga go it.
sazz dreamed to train stunt people -- she did it once, and they killed her. tragedy
Yes, Sazz deserved better
Glen kept seeing rats. The guy living in the theater Season 3 was living with rats grilling & eating them.
Is this a NYC thing? Or do the show runners need Orkin?
Idk if it's a coincidence but the girl who played the irish nurse was also in dudenoffs classroom ...
something that i find weird is why would they show who is the killed right before the finale , there must be a plot twist.
And also , Sazz was kind to Marshall , ok yhea you stole her script , but why do you have to kill her ??
And Marshall already knew Stubbins recognize him , so why wait for so long to kill him ? Why wait for him to wake up to kill him and raise more suspicions?
Moreover the lack of knowledge on the trio by marshall in his scripts shows that he is not the one following them since S1
Also , the tinsel that was in dudenoffs aprt , looks like the fire jacket that sazz gave to M , plus it doesn't catch on fire so ...
but I cannot accept the fact she was killed because of a script ???
Looks like she realllyy liked M and im sure if he had asked , she would have given it to him !
I think bev is sus , we keep seeing her in every ep , she knows where the movie director is , maybe she is the one forcing Marshall to do all of this , she did in fact hear the voice mail and ordered marshall to get rid of her ,
We can see that marshall is very clumsy and maybe not fit enough to plan a murder
However Bev is quite cunning
Plus she was in the trampoline park
Im more than 80% sure Marshall is not a killer
I like the way you think. Why show Marshall in glens hospital room without beard and glasses and then he has them back on when talking to Mabel? That seems purposeful. Before I watched episode 9 we had a theory that Marshall or someone will murder out of revenge and confuse the case because they think they figured it out but murder the wrong person or someone who wasn't the shooter but might've been slightly or accidentally involved. That's what another book has done and that book was just made a show released in USA that this same channel reviewed, Moonflower Murders. We just thought that felt similar. Where there is the main mystery if who killed Sazz, and then sort of side issues and the mystery who kills a second adjacent person that was involved somehow BUT not the main killer. We felt Marshall could be the fan person who kills who he thinks is the killer...possible still, maybe but not sure. Likes that idea because Sazz PATAKI shares a name with a character in that book kind of -- Andreas PATAKIS. We thought it was too much of a coincidence
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Exactly , maybe marshall has a twin or something but there is definitely something sus about him.
And imagine , his body caught on fire, you should have seen some scars or something ?
Smart cookie. Wow great explanation thank you. I think Marshall is the final red herring...can't wait til next week...
It's not Marshall. And I think Sazz is still alive. I think Ben Glenroy is still alive. And he's one of triplets. One triplet being the one who died in the elevator, one who died at the hospital (if he really is dead, the fishy nurse is the only one that told Mabel he was dead) and Ben Glenroy might show up at the wedding. He's always hated Charles.
I have too many theories right now but the one that I can't escape, and the picture you showed of the wedding helps... Gravey is going to find dead bodies in the courtyard during the wedding. What this also means is that maybe we don't need a "fresh" dead body, as Oliver insecurely put it earlier in the season, for season 5.
I like this idea more, because I don't know how many more times new people can die in that building without the property value going down.
Det. Charlie, I think about Oliver's "fresh dead body" comment more than I should :) Gravey, no!! Bad dog! :)
Hopefully 19 dead bodies since “no one ever finds 19 dead bodies buried in the backyard of a 14 story apartment building”. One of Charles’ very first lines in season 1!
Oh right, meaning that there is a murder in the building if Sazz is still alive!
The three potential accomplices:
1) other asian crew dude. Marshall's brother? Seems weird just a rando with zero background story would be the accomplice.
2) bev melon - might explain why she showed up unnannounced in Long Island and sazz' trampoline park. What was her motive besides crazy? Didnt want Sazz to muck up the production?
3) Rudy - had a gun in apt. Fit enough to lift a body. Knew about the incinerator. But why would he help Marshall?
So marshall and bev make the most sense to me at this point.
I think they incriminated Marshall before the finale so I don't think it's him now.
I also feel like dudenoff had something for Helga
That's why he " kept losing his keys"
It was just a silly reason to get to see Helga...
We like the spoiler section ! Please keep including them. Additionally, when are they going to explain the origin of the tinsel ?
You're the first person to respond... so I'll keep spoilers :)
@@DoublePMedia YESSS 😭❤️🔥
@@DoublePMedia I voted above to keep the spoilers too! They also said the tinsel could be from the fire proof vest.
You’re amazing!🥰 They should hire you to do their podcast. My daughter, sister and I cannot wait until Wednesday when your videos drop.❤
Thank you! Thank your daughter! Thank your sister! I'll leave you my rent-control apartments in the Arconia :)
Howard was walking Gravey and Sevelyn because he doesn’t have Hammy Faye anymore since Helga took her back! 😃 OF COURSE! 😄 What a big “duh” on me to miss that connection. That’s why I watch these videos - all the neat details. 😉
Glen was a sweetie, so I actually will miss him. BUT I predict Paul Rudd will be back next season - and his character’s name will be Roy. 😊 Ben Glenroy. We’ve met Ben, we’ve met Glen, and now, we need to meet Roy. 😁
Roy - Paul Rudd completing the trifecta!
I think he's triplets, but that would mean two are dead already but I think it was the third triplet that died in the other season. I think Ben will come back next season. Or the finale. lol
I knew that Sazz wrote the script as soon as I heard Marshall keeps writing crap scripts 😂😂
LOL - writing bad scripts could get him a job writing the Transformer movies :)
I think his reaction seeing Charles put up his picture was a real life surprise lol his reaction seemed real 😊 that was my favorite scene from this episode
I loved that too!
DUUUDE.
Your Detective Williams theory is PHENOMENAL
Thanks!
You need to do “From”, it’s not a murder mystery but it has a lot of mystery, it’s a horror mystery mixed with lost vibes and it’s fiiirrreee🔥🔥
I've heard GREAT things about FROM - I need to watch
@@DoublePMedia It's really, really good!
Yes I mentioned on Matt and Jess's channel, that Paul Rudd has set a record on the same actor dying on OMITB
In season 1 episode 1, Charles makes a joke about how the boondocks are where you should be worried about murderers. He says something like - you don't find 19 bodies buried in the back of a 12 story apartment. Whelp, I'm guessing there's been a big bad working in the background all show to prevent the trio from exposing something like that having happened at the Arconia. I'm hoping the mass murders will be exposed when the wedding happens in the Arconia in episode 10 - they had to have chosen the Arconia for a good reason to set up season 5. And if Gravy is there, maybe she'll happen to sniff out some buried bodies... now that would be setting up for an awesome season.
I'm just hoping that Loretta doesn't get killed at the wedding, setting up the murder for season 5!
Ranking:
Season 2
Season 1
Season 4
Season 3
Tally so far: seven votes for S1 favorite, seven votes for S2
An early video ? Is it Christmas today ? 😂❤ Damn, can't wait to watch this
Don't tell my boss how much work I ignore to get these videos out :)
Now I'm thinking that bartender has something to do with Saz's murder. The bartender came to visit Glen. Then all of a sudden Marshall came in and killed Glenn. The nurse is in on something as well
There are so many ancillary characters, I don't even know what to think anymore. What about Dr. Maggie as well? And Helga? Big Mike? I hope all of these plotlines are resolved in the finale, although there's a lot of ground to cover in 35 minutes, including the wedding.
I cannot be that bartender because the actor who plays that bartender confirmed on the official podcast that he only appeared on the bar episode & cameo appearance. Plus, I think Rudy was one who moved the body. One of the episodes: on his computer was a folder saying Scripts..
@@markramsey5435 It's possible but could be a red herring
If the bartender had something to do with it, why would he tell them about Rod Howard? And I don’t think the nurse had anything to do with it.
@@cheri7054 Plus, Rudy could easily lift the body & in that photo with westie, he isn't wearing a Christmas jumper & no proper alibi as well..
Throughout the season, there's a lot of mention of doubles, maybe Rex and Marshall are twins. Bev Melon was a thought simply because the time stamp of the voicemail has really bothered me(maybe it's a continuity error)
That news report that the camera so "casually" lingered on, i believe is a setup for next season. There was also a mention of "foul play" in the news report.
Season 2 is my favorite! I just feel like it had such amazing chemistry and kept you on your toes! ❤️😊
Another S2 vote as favorite!
The other clue that Sazz was writing a script was that she wanted to talk to Charles about the plot holes in the first murder. Of course she'd want to talk to him about those because she needed to tighten up her own script so that her story didn't end up having those same holes. It's a very meta way for the show to acknowledge that season 1's crime wasn't perfect but that was on purpose.
The access code for the Dudenoff apartment was on one of the notes in Sazz's apartment. Assuming Marshall (or his accomplice) had paid multiple visits to Sazz's apartment, he could have gotten the code before the murder.
I still think it'd be a fun bit of theming to have that PA we only saw in a couple of back-to-back scenes a few weeks ago be the accomplice. They look like Marshall and even if there's no real relation, it would play into the season being about doubles (the famous actors playing the trio, the dolls standing in for Charles' sister's kids, Ben/Glenn, etc.)
It definitely feels like the dry cleaning story was focused on just enough that it's the set up for season 5. Like you mentioned, we also have Charles' dry cleaning bag plus the coupon for dry cleaning that Oliver received. It feels like there's two mystery people out there: one is the person who is responsible for the aforementioned plot holes of season 1 who will end up being the season 5 killer and one who is trying to help direct the trio to the dry cleaners as being shady. It really feels like both this season and the series as a whole are finally coming full circle with the crumbs from season 1 paying off.
Like this feedback, Captain. When did Sazz mention to Charles the plot holes in season 1? In s3ep10, she said she wanted talk about "something sensitive" which in hindsight, was probably that she wrote a script about their podcast.
How did Bev show up at the trampoline park and at charles sisters place? She just was there and then no further discussion about that by the trio. Why?
I like the spoiler sections :) - you also always give an ample amount if time to exit before you drop them
I get SO worried because I've been burned before search for the mute button :)
Me and my friend have a theory that Marshall just put it Sazz'z body at the incinerator but didn't kill her. I mean, he definitely tried to make her body disappear but did he actually killed her? We don't think so.
Sazz was killed after 11:07 pm, right after call Bev. What if right after Marshal was at the apartment to steal the script?
That way, who shot Sazz was actually the big villain, the "Moriarty". When Glen was shot, Marshall left the scene right before we hear the shot. We can see Glen behind Oliver trying to get away of the "rats". It was so quickly that Marshall couldn't just left that building, go to another one and then shot Glen, because it was a sniper shot.
I do believe that Marshall killed Glen after that but the sniper shot was Moriarty. What if Glen just said that it was two killers just to confuse the trio but at the same time, he knows that someone was a sniper because he was at the apartment while Sazz was killed (or right after). He panicked but it was good to him to get away with Sazz, because he could make his debut as a writer using her script.
Also, the message sent from Sazz'z phone says "not your fucking friend". It looks like a Uma thing to say, so...what if Uma is the Moriarty?
2 unique killers would be a fun twist...
I'm glad I guessed Marshall way back in episode 4, however part of my theory was wrong as I thought Glen would be the other killer. I don't think that anymore. I'm honestly at a loss as who the 2nd guy could be (if there even is a second guy). Rudy, Vince Fish, or brothers sisters would be my best guess as they all have Hollywood connections and might know Marshall enough in some capacity to help him
Another thought I had was the double theory. I think I pointed out at one point that there was a man who crossed in front of Howard's camera in that one episode. Could be Marshall's brother/the real Rex Bailey or something like that
How did people guess him back in episode 4? I was all in on him since episode 5 (his narrated episode).
That's not the first time I've read theories about Rex Bailey being a totally separate person. Would it be jumping the shark to introduce yet another set of twins on this show?
@@lonelyone My theory was based on his "fly on the wall" quote and his name. His narration episode was where I started putting more bulk into the theory
Marshall is a red herring (my theory)
12:44 not only do Steve and Martin get colonoscopies together, but they are joined by Tom Hanks who is mentioned twice in this episode!
Great work, Det. Elena - yet also TMI :)
@@DoublePMedia hah, don’t blame me - Marty is the one who shared it with the world, I only remembered it 😉😅
@@elenavthorn I saw the video of them actually all drinking the laxative lol
Got a question about the mob connection story, do we think that will involve Charles's dad who was in jail and come full circle? Isn't it odd Doreen married a cop considering and we never got full explanation of why Rose Cooper hid and how that got their dad in trouble maybe?? Just something like a bit of a plot hole. Doreen said her mom was bonkers but Charles seemed to suggest it was because of how toxic his dad was to her in the monologue where he picked to kick on Bunny's door. This seems more likely than Mabel's aunt being tied to mob but we haven't really delved into that and might never go there.
Love your question about Doreen and Charles and the father! I don't have an answer
@@DoublePMedia let's hope they explore it season 5 maybe or 6
I think Marshall accidentally shot the other killer who was dressed like Sazz and then that killer stabbed Sazz in the chest, thinking it was Charles. I think the two killers were unrelated, but if you watch the death scene, you see it's a man entering the apartment, and the man gets shot in the hip and not the chest. Then a scene cut and it's Sazz lying on the floor bleeding from her chest.
@doublePmedia I think Bev is Marshall’s accomplice as Sazz had called her at 11:07 pm EST. Plus Bev, was at Sazz’s place in Jersey with a gun. Maybe Sazz was going to pull the plug on the movie and so Bev was involved in her murder because Bev said that the movie must go on! Feel like there’s too many coincidences, not to be her. What say you? Is there a possibility that there’s more than one accomplice that assisted Marshall? Keep up the great work! Been following you for a few seasons now 😊
Bev has the most to lose if the movie was derailed because of what Sazz uncovered, & she was likely at the trampoline park to destroy any evidence Sazz found. Sazz was shot 1 min after leaving the message on Bev's voicemail, and I don't believe it's a coincidence. I think Bev ordered the hit on Sazz, but I'm still not convinced that Rex is Sazz's shooter. Rex killed Glen, but it could have been a crime of opportunity. I also think there may be a 3rd person involved, and it's likely someone at the Arconia who's been sending threatening messages to the trio since season 1.
Another brilliant job. Thank you sir ..
Thank you, Detective
Anybody else convinced that the PA from Planet Klongo film would have known who the stuntman was, as he was in the flashback talking to Sazz? Has he been seen in any other episodes?
YES! He's Ron-Ron's 2nd A.D. or whatever, but he was in both scenes
My prediction is that Loretta is the accomplice and it's all going to get revealed in the wedding
Loretta is the girl with the westies from the picture, I'm sure. Her actually marrying Oliver would change the dinamic of the show too much and wouldn't feel right for the final season.
That would really ruin the wedding... even more than a murder!
Lester the doorman has to be involved somehow in this seasons killing or next season. He is the one who is always taking the dry cleaning in and out of the apartments
That's a great point. I never even though about dry cleaning before this latest episode, but they've been laying clues all along.
Ding ding ding. I like Lester though, and it'd be sad to see him as an evil doorman
Lester, also, could push the luggage trolley around anyplace without anyone paying attention to it(it's part of his job).
If you ask me, this season seems to have a theme about mistakes and not getting to places soon enough, it’s been shown time and time again that if Charles let Sazz talk or at least drink the Olde Belgium, than Sazz wouldn’t have been murdered but if she did, they would’ve discovered the killer sooner.
Oh, my comment was read, thank you.
For now, and I didn't see the final episode of season four, so I will take it down (even it's becoming my favorite season)
1- Season 2
2- Season 1
3- Season 3
I like all of them
The correct answer :)
Hahahaha dude, _I_ watched Dynasty. With my mom.
I’m kind of thinking Marshall is the “fly on the wall” from Once upon a time in the west.
Also, in the first episode Oliver acts out and falls on the floor where Sazz died, then Howard walks in with the dog (does this represent Helga the pig owner? - she is a locksmith), then they get another email from Bev Melon. I felt like that scene, along with a couple others could be representing what actually happened.
Since the first episode I’ve felt like once upon a time in the west represents the plot, three people are hired to kill someone and they trap the fly on the wall. There’s even a scene in the first episode where three cowboys walk into paramount led by a woman (melon?) and there is someone who looks alot like Marshall on a bench across from Mabel.
I’m kind of wondering if melon is related to Cindy canning (person from episode one trying to take them down) because she’s got the dark hair and glasses and Marshall has that look too.
I’m all over the map with the suspects and possibilities; I’ll probably re watch the first 9 episodes before watching 10.
Hadn't thought about the parallel to Once Upon A Time in the West, smart
If the movie is a direct parallel; the guy with "weird eyes" could be Nick Fish; and Christmas guy is strong enough to carry Sazz, while Helga could pick the lock. They would know about the incinerator too. The train tracks could represent the distance between their apartments and Charles' as well - in the movie, Charles Bronson arrives on the other side of the tracks when he departs the train.
Could be meaningful symbolism; or could just represent the podcasters initial suspicions... 🤷♂
Excellent!!! Can't wait to see who did it!
Great work as always! There's a new TV show coming in December, I'm not entirely sure if it is a murder mystery, but it looks like it. It's called "No good deed". Maybe it fits this format :)
That's a good title "No Good Deed"
I think the hints that Sazz wrote a script were very slight and done just right. When you look retroactively at her actions you can see the hints were there. Sazz wanted to talk to Charles the night she died, about something sensitive - I think it was the script. It also now makes sense why Sazz was looking into season 1 plot holes, because she spotted them whilst writing the script.
I wasn’t sure if the plot holes were anything more but you’re right it could lead us to an accomplice. Imagine if Sazz wasn’t really dead as a final rug pull
I don’t think it’s Williams and it’s not a backwards 3, soz!
This season has had so many bodies! I think we’re looking at a time skip at the end of the season like after season 2. That’d be so many murders to solve all in a row
The dr at Concussions said that Sazz wanted to retire and go in a new direction. The sensitive thing Sazz wanted to talk about to Charles was the movie I'm guessing. This is why the script was in with the beer.
Good reasoning Detective
I wasn't sure how I felt about Marshall being revealed as the killer but the more I think about it the more i like it.
Kudos to the people who worked out the small clues weeks ago. The big drop in writing standard, and being recognised by Glen. Good catches indeed.
The hidden cameras, podcast notes and the missing evidence don't make much sense still.
I hope the shooting, disposal of the body and who ever helped Marshall are wrapped up in a satisfying way.
Marshalls Apt is Dudenhoffs Apt.. just look att the windows..all match up
Love your commentary and I wait for it over some other bigger TH-camrs!
Thank you!
I find it odd the killer was revealed in Episode 9. I have been a Marshall stand but now I wonder if the bartender took the shot and Marshall is the clean up crew. Or are the Bartender and Doctor working together? Marshall might be stealing a script but mass murder? I doubt he was the one behind this murder plot. Was Sazz wearing her dad's vest the night she was shot? If prepped for it, she knew how to survive being burned alive.
I think episode 10 will reveal the accomplice and an additional twist. Didn't season 1 also reveal Jan as the killer in episode 9?
it was odd to reveal the killer in Episode 9! I thought they'd give us 2 options for the villain as they did in Season 2.
I always said I thought she looked like she was wearing a vest in the scene she was shot and that was why for a long time I didn't think she was dead, but then changed my mind, then this episode features a vest again and I'm like maybe it was right the first time😂🤦🤷
@@DoublePMedia Buckle up for the twist!!
@@amandachilds5290 Agree, why show a scene of her explaining how to be set on fire!! 🔥 Sazz lives!!!
I think Rex and Marshall are two different people(twins). Marshall was outside Mabel's while Rex killed Glen and Marshall & Rex were both in Dudenoff's apartment, which they found out about probably from stalking Zazz(who could have thought that the Westies killed Dudenoff, like Helga did, and was investigating that and that's how she got involved with them) and Marshall took the shot, while Rex took Zazz's body to the incinerator.
Rex's motive: revenge because he blames Zazz.
Marshall's motive: steal Zazz's script.
While Marshall didn't get the script and had been trying to perfect it, Rex found two opportunities to kill Glen and took advantage of them, as the second part of his revenge.
In the end, Zazz's investigation into the plot holes on the podcast had nothing to do with her death; it was just two stories intertwining with each other, for Zazz to be taken out of the picture so that the trio can investigate in the next season.
Maybe, if season 5 is the last, there won't even be a murder in S4E10 and it could just be the trio realizing the plot holes and while they weren't actually in trouble this season, but the guys' double were, they will be in the next.
If not, then most likely Loretta or Detective Williams will get killed. Most likely Detective Williams because I feel like the last season will focus mostly on all the characters, and unlike Zazz or Tim Kono, Detective Williams had the same relationship with all of the trio, so her death would be, instead of one avenging a friend, all of the trio avenging a friend.
Also: in keeping with the theme of characters having doubles, that would fit Rex and Marshall being twins.
I’m still confused about how the killer knew it was sazz and not Charles in the apartment
Is there a chance that there’s a twist and it was Charles that was the target, you never know
@DoublePMedia - I’m pretty sure Escape from Planet Klongo was a reference to the fictional movie Ron Howard was filming that the trio were stand-ins for this episode.
So, the fix to there being no hint toward Sazz is Sazz teaches Rex to stunt and in exchange, Rex teaches Sazz to write. They met one year after Tim Kono/at the end of the first season. So, she likely really wanted to tell her best friend's story and a writer falling into her lap was what she thought she needed
That makes perfect sense
Favorite seasons in this order, season 1, season 3, season 4 and then season 2. I hated how Mabel was outcasted and that lack luster BORING kiss with cara de Lavigne, they should have kept Oscar. The chemistry was perfect with him.
The 7th vote for Season 1 as the favorite.
You really slayed that Irish accent, friend
LOL - I have an aunt and cousin who live in Ireland... they'll disown me :)
@@DoublePMedia no it was honestly better than anything this season lol gotta teach Glenn Stubbins a thing or two!
Nah, that's not a backwards 3 'E' on the evidence bag. One of the 'O' letters is odd though, where it says '3ND THE PᵒDCAST' on the note. We've been focused on the 3/E, have we seen the almost superscript-style 'O' anywhere else?
Like your eye, Det. Peggy. Any idea who wrote the "End the Podcast" note?
@@DoublePMedia Rudy
Yes, Der. Williams knew about the podcast. Who were the other fans listening in. The building does have tunnels. Someone else is spying on the trio from day 1 season 1. Possibly Charles sister and brother in law
Brother-in-law maybe but why his sister?
@@Julie-lp1qs She has dolls resembling people from the building
Now as for an acomplice, I say the Westies are not to be to ruled out, I say that Rudy has helped Marshall in some way. First of all we learn that he is physically fit, and would be the one who could help Marshall move Sazz's body, also notice that Vince Fish was able unseal his painted window with Rudy's help, (when they are using the drone). The trio noticed Dudenoff's window had a broken seal as well, I think Rudy helped Marshall open it. Also, he is an imposter, pretending to love Christmas when he hates it. Also, Det. Williams said that the westies were interviewed and they all confirmed that they heard a gunshot that night except for RUDY! Plus he knows all about the incinerator. I'm wondering also about Rudy saying he wanted to be free of roomates, maybe he knew Marshall previousy.
Also, I think the murder will be proven with the help of one of those many hidden cameras. And it's really awkward that the Brother Sister's said that they were at the Dudenoff apartment the night of the murder, as well as the killer/killers. Too much going on at the murder scene at the same time. Well, the hidden cameras are key.
I couldn’t believe that ending to the episode. He was right under our noses the whole time!
And under his nose, a fake beard. Shady Rex!
@@DoublePMedia For real! That should’ve been a dead giveaway!
I love your videos!!! They’re fantastic! I think Helga is the accomplice because she’s a locksmith and could access all the apartments, Sazz wrote her name down on the LA to NYC plane ticket, and Hammy Faye Baker was found in Dudenoff’s apartment (so Helga must have left her there and knew how to gain access to his apartment).
Thank you! Helga is a locksmith
The other person is one of the twins preferably the one that can lift.Maybe he showed them the script and one of them liked it/him. Hope it’s not a love story. Either way they knew the apartment layout maybe cause of sazz. Again with sazz, she only wanted to talk to Charles when the script is about everyone so this info has to be about him, maybe the mother again? The notes have to be from someone old, bunny’s friend. I think the mastermind is hiding something that has to do with the history of that whole place, maybe linked to Charles mother (painting) or Mabel’s aunt. Maybe one of them own the building, it always come back to the building. Maybe the body is still there.
Also, why the hell he scratch out helgas face? She didn’t do anything? And who was taking care of the pig? Pink eye?
I asked the same question, some feedback supposes that it's not Helga in the picture, but long haired Marshall/Rex
I was actually stating to like Glenn and they bump him off 😢
Knew Ron Ron would be a friend of Oliver’s. It was a sweet moment.
Could be anyone, as the accomplice, let’s just hope they make it good. My bet don’t know why would be on the girl in the sauce family….maybe her and Marshall are dating and she wants to get away from her family or something 🤷♀️
Likely Sazz, Sazz’s killer, the accomplice of Sazz’s killer, or Dudenoff wore silver fireproof clothing in Arconia bc they planned to use or enter the incinerator. Sazz gave “Rex Bailey” her old silver fireproof jacket. Doesn’t mean the “tinsel” in Dudenoff’s apartment is from that specific jacket. Could have come from any silver fireproof clothing. Did Sazz or Dudenoff fake their deaths by using silver fireproof clothing in the incinerator? Did Sazz’s killer or the accomplice wear silver fireproof clothes as part of their plan to shoot Sazz & burn her in incinerator?
Marshall has a twin. This season is full of twins/doubles. Its Sazz who has access to the Dudenoff apt to watch Charles and develop her script. Since Rex is the protege, he knows how to enter it.
After Rex/Marshall being blacklisted by Ron, what if Sazz feels guilty and asks Rex/Marshall to help her with the movie script and Sazz takes him here and there for the investigation. Thus, Marshall/Rex knows the Dudenoff's apartment, incinerator, etc. Untill at some point something happen between them, they fight, and Rex/Marshall wants to claim Sazz's script all alone. Maybe Marshall/Rex throws the idea to monitor the trio with the cameras to know their characters and Sazz doesn't like the idea. Or they find out something (maybe the mob thingy) and Sazz doesn't want to continue the movie because it will be dangerous for the trio but Marshall/Rex insists to continue the script.
Some other feedback said, Sazz wouldn't blackmail Rex/Marshall and leave him completely. Like this idea
We still don’t know where Rudy was at the time of the murder
Season 1 was my favorite because I really didn’t know what to expect! Everything was a surprise. I appreciate the somewhat formulaic style of the show but it has removed that first blind excitement I felt with the first season
Another vote for Season 1 as the favorite!
What is Marshall is what I’m dudenoffs students? That’s the only thing I can think of for accomplices that could be a Westy
I need to watch those classroom scenes again for a long blond haired dude
I originally thought Glen was his accomplice, but I’ve about decided it was just him. He said it had to be someone very athletic to have done it in that time frame. He’s very athletic. He had weights all over his apartment and did you see the way he kicked the door shut in Mabel’s apartment. Also, he could have used the roof to get from one place to the other in a shorter amount of time.
That would make sense that Marshall was trying to throw them off the scent then by suggesting that two people were involved.
@@lonelyone that’s what I think and his clumsiness is an act to appear nonathletic. He fell into Sazz’s car with ease.
That clip of Detective Williams writing Mabel’s name on the envelope from Season One…she’s a southpaw.
I would be heartbroken if she poisoned Winnie!
You make a good point that it's illogical for Marshall to be the one who points out there had to be 2 killers, so what if that's not actually what happened? What if he never had an accomplice?
What if he shot Sazz and then went to Charles' apartment only to discover HER BODY WAS ALREADY GONE? Perhaps he's worried she didn't actually die- and indeed, perhaps she didn't and you were right all along- and he tipped off the podcast so that they could find out what happened and he could try to stay one step ahead and finish the job?
I could see this happening