Most Comfortable sub £60k Car on sale today? 2020 Audi A6 allroad quattro
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Joe I saw you on carwow again. See, they recognise the hard graft and talent 😆.
And Joe keep pushing and crack that 100k then you should blast off.
Yeah man I'm very very greatful to Carwow and Mat Watson for having me back, more to come too 😉🏁
Joe Achilles you’re absolutely right about the infuriating throttle lag. My Q8 50tdi exactly the same. Driving me nuts and quite dangerous in some circumstances... Same issue with Q8 S-Line seats.
Joe Achilles nice part when you complaint about the lag. I understand it is a turbo charged engine at the end of the day. But the lag is unreasonable. I had the new shape a7 for a year and the only thing I don’t like is the lag response.
Really love this car, I see lots around the yorkshire Dales used by farmers as a alternative to the land rovers
Ahh nice to hear, I've seen a few original ones around since fuming this actually, they still look fresh 👌
Joe Achilles really getting into your videos mate. Refreshing thank you
I had a 2014 version and loved it , beautiful ride and if you selected sport ( just from notching back the gear lever) or dynamic ( from the "car" setup ) it took off like a spaceship ! I even occasionally got late 40s mpg on a run, the perfect all rounder just a bit big most of the time with just me in it ...now swapped to a green update in the way of a Q2 but I can see myself back in one of these a few years old one day, ...irresistible!
Love these! I have a VW Golf Alltrack and whilst not in the same league as the Audi or same class as the A6, the concept remains. Super practical and comfortable and not an SUV!
It s an suv
@@youssefaitmenna5003 No it's not
Cars that sell in low number usually deprecate a lot faster just because they’re unpopular cars. I suppose in that sense low sales number cars a “good” ownership proposition.
Absolutely blown away with my 2015 C7.5 BiTDI Allroad 320bhp. They are a fantastic buy second hand. Mine was apparently £62k new with the extras. Purchased for £24k in Jan 2020 with 40k miles.
I would consider eventually upgrading to the C8 in 5 or so years, but would have to be the 55 TFSI (349bhp)
Hate the chrome they insist on sticking on these new Audi’s though!
Chrome is rather rare nowadays.
Thanks for the review on this one, Joe. I believe there is now an ECU update for these Audi 3 liter motors (both petrol and diesel) that fixes the throttle lag/delay. I don't know why Audi shipped them like that (maybe the emissions testing like you said) but the user experience for early adopters was pretty bad in some cases.
Thanks for your honest feedback about the miscommunication between the throttle response and the power delivery
Was really interested in the A6 avant for the looks and comfort. Stayed away because of the throttle response. I’m sure they’ll fix it eventually but currently a deal breaker.
This seems to be a feeling shared by many people already, very odd that a manufacturer like Audi let this happen... Genuinely my 730d's throttle response is instantaneous...
Wish you good if they fix this problem. It’s Greta Thunberg and new WLTP emissions regulations fault
Sure throttle response can be changed to linear using say carista app?
I believe Audi now has an ECU update that fixes this problem. Might be time to check out that A6 Allroad again!
@@MatthewGaither that would be interesting if true!
We've got an older C6 3.0TDI Allroad. This is after multiple Subaru's and more performance oriented BMW models and I can say this is the best car I've had by quite a margin, the only thing I'd replace it with is a newer Allroad. Loved your review! The delay is caused by VW dieselgate, engine mapping is tuned this way that you have to be in sports gear mode to have "normal" response, this affects many new VW diesels sadly.
We still get the 3.0 V6 in the US. Seems like much more performance than the TDI. I believe it’s 4.8 0-60
Great vid Joe, im a c5 allroad owner, great comfy old load lugger, and since owning it i dont think id ever go back to a 'normal' car for daily use. As you mentioned its so versatile, and with winter tyres as mine has unstoppable in 99.9% of conditions youre likely to come across. Absolutely love it. Such a shame about the auto box/delay from the ecu or whatever it is on this new one. I wonder if it can be mapped out? My old c5s a manual and when offroading you cant be without it i think. Clutch control is key.
Great to have a proper review. 2022 and I long to have a very comfortable car, but it seems manufacturers want to put up with sub standard cars and don’t want to talk about comfort. And fuel economy that is no better than it was years ago.
The shift problem is to do with NOx emissions
An impressive honest and practical review of an average slightly raised off road car with delayed throttle response costing...hang on!.....almost 70g!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you! Yeah I need to talk about monthlies really as barely nobody pays outright these days I guess...
My All road has got me out of so many issues snow flooding etc. Whatever the conditions I know I can get my family home.
Would be a interesting comparison between this and the Volvo V90 Cross Country
Same in my Q5 with the dual clutch box. You get used to driving around it, but one place it always seems to get the better of me is when you get to small hill - a little squeeze of the throttle because you know you’re going to lose momentum... nothing... a little more... nothing... a little more... nothing... a little more... BOOM! Kick-down. Vroooooooom. Still quite fancy the allroad for my next car though.
Oh yeah. The door thing happens in the Q5 as well. I put it down to the door seals. Seems like a reasonable trade-off for the quiet cabin.
Great video! You are right about throttle delay . Perhaps you were driving in comfort mode. I use individual mode were I set throttle in auto mode and then it is better response.
Thanks Joe, great videos, new fan... Followed u after the carwow videos.
Love your stuff!!
Great to hear, thanks for heading over and watching some of my stuff, really appreciate it! Have a great week 👌
My dad and I tested a previous gen a4 allroad dog diesel - that had a delay pulling away, but once up and running, it pulled like a train, though the box wasn’t as big a step as he’d envisaged on downchanges particularly. He’d had 4 speed slashers that were better.
This car is amazing, had one over tye past few years but sadly having to sell it as audi are refusing the replace the keys. It took 3 months to get it booked in and then when it went in and they first off said they dont have the keys, both were in the box and we called and said. Then they road tested it and said no problems with it, and we had to point out that its an issue that happens randomly, and that if it happened when say we are on holiday it would be a huge issue or if we are at the airport unable to drive home as the keys dont work. They then said if that happens phone audi roadside and then they have to deal with it within 3 days, but we dont wanna be 3 days without the car as we need it for transport. Then when my dad went to pick it up, the head of service took one look at him and got his junior member of staff to deal with him as he didnt want to be shouted at for not fixinga thing after keeping the car for 2 days. And they didn’t say anything like have a talk with sales and we’ll see what deal we can do for you they just gave him the keys and said bye. This car was the perfect car for my dad and we’re now having to get rid of it due to extremely poor customer service its a real shame as he would have bought an E Tron GT or a Grand Sphere in a few years time but no we are now done with Audi and back at BMW with a 5 series which has roughly the same specs, appalling customer service by the Audi garage in Bridgend, But have to say its an amazing car and I’ve enjoyed nearly every second of having it, and that BMW does not have he same customer services problem as the sales team we’re very friendly and helpful.
@JoeAchilles1 "Allroad" has an added hint, playing with the letters, as "Allrad" means all wheel drive in German.
Been waiting for a UK review of this car, thanks Joe ! Audi seem to do the Allroad with the 55 Tfsi engine, might have better throttle response, sounds like most of the issues are with the diesels....
I would recommend 55 tdi after tiptronic update, also all diesel engiens come with torsen where tfsi is only avalible with quattro ultra which is basically haldex
@@grzegorzkowalski8853 Hi, so did you fight Audi for the update or have they acknowledged the issue and now mapping the tiptronic correctly ?
@@grzegorzkowalski8853 I didn't know that the diesels had the torsen diff! We arevcontemplating moving from our F11 530d to an A4 Avant and want Quattro in either 252ps TFSI or 272ps TDI. Would defo go for the Torsen.. had it in my yellow B6 S4 v8 !
@@Liono_Monkey it depends of MY, or to be exact generation
If u aim at a4 b9 i will definitly go with 3.0 tdi cause torsen
@@grzegorzkowalski8853 as I understand it depends on power output and gearbox. The ZF uses Torsen. Good video: th-cam.com/video/xNxHg7XDn1Y/w-d-xo.html
The Audi Allroad as a lifted wagon was the predecessor of SUVs I would say.
I think if I was in the market for one of these I’d have a good look at the Volvo V90 cross country and save some cash.
V60 CC is cheaper than v90 and its not that big of a diffrence. V60 is also better looking
525PKKS I know but it’s shame you can’t get the faster D5 engine in the V60 CC
Theo Currie thats right but... its not THAT much faster. I dont feel the diffrence however. Especially the v60 is soooo comfortable you dont get dynamik feel at all
Gutted that they have discontinued this along with the a4 all road in the uk, would have loved to own a new one at some point. 😔
Test drove a dealer spec RS6 (C8) recently and was surprised that it didn’t have soft close (as our C7 RS6 does) and multiple times found that the doors are a bloody pain to close...
I would ALWAYS opt for the sport seats. Those regular ones are just not good!
If I want to drive a bit sporty I always go in S mode. You never mentioned if you were in D mode. 🧐
Love this car, the delay can be fixed with a new software optimization.
Lovely Car! We had a 2004 Allroad. It did 190,000 miles and it was brilliant! Ours was exactly the same as your cutaway photo. These are so different to ours though. I wish they kept the standard Towbar though. Cheers Oliver
Great video. I test drove an A4 allroad yesterday with Audi & my thoughts were the same about lag & pick up.
It's the transmission and it needs time to learn the driver's preferences or put in dynamic. Audi introduced DSP dynamic shift programming in the late 90's codable and programmable by the driver.
I fact I have the Allroad C7.5 generation equipped in 3.0 BTIDI and there is no turbolag at all. I recently tested A6 C8 and I felt this delay, I was expecting so much more response with the mild hybridation.... And yes this car is all about comfort, cruising and capability, you are not afraid of rain, snow, bad road ... It's heavy car so it need at least 600Nm. Even with the bitdi 320 tuned to +400hp it's not a sports car at all, it's fast, the handling is "ok" . If you drive cool it's easily 38mpg (+-8l/100) motorway 7l/100 or less, if you use your right foot it still stay under 10l/100. For me the bad point of this car is the weight and defacto the handling otherwise it's brilliant everywhere and everytime.
Thank you very much indeed! And Hello from TEXAS
My dad currently has a 2017 a4 allroad and in the next year or so he is looking to get the A6 allroad which I am looking forward too. He was also considered getting another a4 allroad however he would get the 2020 model. Do you think it would be possible to do a Audi A4 allroad video and possibly a comparison with this A6 allroad? 👍👍
I have a 2018 A5 with the same engine and gearbox. The issues with the acceleration mustcbecthe mild hybrid solution. I do not have that issue at all. It picks up straight away!
Lovely car, always been a fan of these. Great video bud!
Hi I’m from carwaw hire. I totally agree with your bad points on this car I have previous model of allRoad c7 204 ps it’s very economical but of course problem with throttle response.
I’ve added you to the list of people that have mentioned the bizarre throttle response.. why have Audi got this so wrong? I love what this car stands for and think it looks sublime, however, those screens are a touch too far for me, it’s unnecessary and I think a little dangerous. Great video Joe as ever.
Hi. I dunno if anyone else mentioned this. In some countries theres a 55tdi avalible. Its the 350hp one thats in the S6 etc. So you can technically have a S6 Allroad ;)
Great review of a great car. The gas response is not dieselgate however. My 2015 SQ5 TDI, in essence the same powertrain incl. ZF-transmission, also had this delay. Followed by a sublime pick-up and acceleration....
Joe, that issue you describe with the throttle response and the gears, that's exactly what's always bugged me about my 3L TDI A4 Avant from 2013(!) So it seems they haven't addressed it in 7 or 8 years. It's exactly as you describe, gives you nothing and if you push it more it gives you too much. I saw in another comment you can get a software update - I also asked if there was an update a couple of years back for my 2013 model because of this exact issue but was told a flat 'no'.
Fiat Chrysler just burnt me on my 2019 Rubicon, so we are going test driving, and this is #1 on my radar.
We have Q7 now, and that thing is a beast, I really like it.
If I can't get in, and stomp on the gas, though.... hmm.... tuner may fix?
Also, door closing on the Q7 is the same.
Just ordered a new A6 Allroad having owned one for the past seven years (completely trouble free), deciding factor was ride comfort. This time I have changed to the petrol engine 55TFSI mainly because of the hate campaign against diesel cars (so I have changed for the more polluting petrol version).
Ordering is now a real pain as many options are not permitted without other options being added. I spent several weeks on the Configurator and at the dealership before giving up and had to accept less than I wanted. Basically I wanted the Vorsprung trim, minus the skinny tyres and sports seats (and I was quite prepared to pay more than the Vorsprung spec), apparently this is impossible due to the limited configurations tested for the WLTP figures. The review mentions power close doors which I tried to add, again not possible without changing to sports seats, similarly I wanted the rear wheel steering again not possible. Options for seat trim and leather options again are very limited if you don’t want sport seats. My reason for disliking sport seats is that I never found them comfortable (I have sold previous cars because of this and have no ambitions to charge around boy racer style, otherwise I would buy an RS6) my wife also has mobility issues and the side bolsters make access difficult for her, this was also the reason for wanting the power door closures as she cannot close the passenger doors on our existing car.
I almost bought the Porsche Cayenne Coupe (as Porsche still allows you to go option crazy) as an alternative with all of the options I wanted for a price circa £120K, however had to give up because my wife couldn’t get in despite the air suspension being on the lowest setting. It is disappointing that you can no longer option new a new Audi in the way you could an old one.
Hi Martin, be interested to know if you experience the same throttle delay that Joe mentioned in the review with the petrol engine... Nice choice BTW..
Hi Martin. I'm just wondering whether you have your car now ? The reason I ask is that I ordered a new A6 Allroad 50TDI Vorsprung spec in June and have been quoted delivery in late October / early November and I'm wondering how accurate that will be. I decided....after a lot of thought....to go with the 50 TDI rather than the 55TFSI simply because I do alot of miles in Germany and the diesel is better suited in my opinion to fast autobahn runs plus the mpg of course. I think that these modern diesel engines from Audi and other manufacturers are very clean now and probably better than many petrol engines out there . If you now have your car Ihope you are enjoying it. Like to hear your impressions
Mary-Rose Russell
I am expecting to take delivery next week. The car was built in March but the COVID lockdown halted the delivery process.
Great to see your subscriber levels rising. Shame about the new Allroad. I have a C6 Allroad 3.0 and love it for general driving. So when cones time to renew that one I will probably go for C7 biturbo Allroad instead.
Fuck Joe, since your drag races with carwow your channel is picking up, happy for you mate! Hope you reach 100k subscribers in no time
Haha yeah this year has been amazing and Carwow has given my subs a massive boost... Cheers 👌
Whoa, super HD. New camera, Joe?
New main GoPro and new computer with new editing software 😉👊
Agree with all positive and negative points of A6 allroad. Latest 2021 A4 allroad is not different. Doors not closing unless you shut them strongly. Throttle delay is VAG speciality - VW, Audi all the same. More to desire from the sport seats too. Way too narrow. Tried them all. Only Q8 seats match VOLVO seats. Is it so much difficult to address these repeating concerns so many Audi fans?
Hi! ! So sad to hear that the V6 haves lag in the mapping. Cant you make a test whit a tuned one ? ( read diesel op box )
Great review, as usual now on this excellent channel.
Is this car really as comfortable or even more than your 7 series?
The Allroad is comfortable, but not as comfortable as a car 2 classes higher! Well perhaps on a dirt road its more comfortable than the 7 series 😅
@@LancesterHardwood The 7 remains on top. All is good then. 😆
great video as always mate 👌
Thank you legend, RS6 next hopefully 🔥🙌
Hi joe, nice video thanks for sharing.
I've got a 2.5 v6 2002 A6 I love these car. I thing is time to upgrade my old beast to newer all road.
Questions is which one to buy that don't have the lag throttle broblem?
Many thanks.
Drove S6 (tdi) for a week and ... gladly came back to my G30 30xd. My brothers G30 40xd is faster, more responsive than the newest S6 ☹️😳.
Michal Kozielski hey polski you are smart lad you know who’s fault is that
...Greta Thunberg, WLTP, EU, Green Peace, LGBT etc.
I am agree about those seats but you can choose the S seats much better.
Be nice to see an affordable A4 allroad. Sure you could find something
Hi nice video informative , have to disagree on mpg, just driving normally,
no boost gives, but not driving like miss daisy, returns 46 mpg.
272 version.......but well presented, you could take up making lesson plans for some of the main TV presenters 😎
I've also experienced the delay in the throttle, regarding the engine could it be that it's a tight engine that has not been run in?
Interesting.... Unfortunately I don't think.its because the car only has a few thousand k on the clock, my brand new 7 doesn't do the same thing, totally different level of response....
@@JoeAchilles1 There has been many rumours that the lag is due to the emissions, but not exactly why and how. Hopefully it can be fixed with a tune or other software, but it is frustrating that the cars have that "feature" out of the box. 🙄 The 2.0TDI 190hp and 3.0TDI 231hp had that lag and laziness too and I drove those over a year ago.
You should be a guest on top gear
Does it have any towing capacity ? Is it standard or does it need a towing package installed at the factory ? Thanks
This car just seems to be developed to make people fall asleep while using it. Gearbox sluggish slow, doors don't close because of much damping and door seals (quieter to make people fall asleep). And how slow does the boot lid open?? I would get mad waiting for it to open. Just look at 8:33
Great review , thanks .
nowdays the problem is even if you have decent horsepower with an automatic gear will shift way tok early and makes the impression the car is slow, its all to keep emissions low but day to day drive it gets annoying as it just doesn't feel powerful intil you really press the pedal in which in most case you don't want to do you just want to use some power hut the high gear takes it away
The previous biturbo diesel motor is way better. Especially chipped. Wider torque band and turbo's linked. This one has an electric turbo which was supposed to solve the lag problem but clearly it doesnt.. Whilst the torque is a high max - it is a narrow plateau. That's the problem - I think! Too big too heavy for me! Good review though!
Not sure where you are based but the reason you do not see many Allroads is because they are all over here in Gloucestershire!
did 2018versions have the throttle delay or door close issue? Thinking of trading my Q5
Thanks for an interesting review which still leaves me with the problem of what to replace my current C7 Allroad BiTdi with. The previous car has instantaneous power when called for ,has returned over 40 MPG over its life from new and goes anywhere on 18" Bridgestone all season tyres. The Alcantara sports seats are much netter than the standard leather items and tows it heavy 2.5 T trailers effortlessly. Any suggestions appreciated.
Jim Evans if you still want an estate get the mercedes e400d. Best estate imo. If it has to be the newest thing for you then wait a few months they will present a new gen e class in a month. If you dont care about that too much and just want a fairly modern car then get the current e class it decreases a lot in price because of the upcoming facelift while not really being much worse.
It has all the tech you could ask for, all the safety, is comfy and luxorious and that 400d pulls really nice and is fairly responsive. The interior is also absolutely beautiful if configured correctly. Also looks classy and good with amg line styling.
Fuel economy is also pretty good since its a diesel.
My 2nd choice would be the 5 series estate. Its even available as m550d if you want a lot of power. But i like the interior less than the merc. Ofc its a taste thing.
If it doesnt have to be an estate a mercedes glc should also be considered. Can also pull 2.5t, drives very very comfy and is just a pretty very usable daily. Also pretty sporty for an suv and its not that expensive.
In the end it depends on: what type of car do you want? Hoe much do you want to pay? How new does it have to be? What is important to you in a car? What is your taste in terms of design like?
Is the air suspension better than the air in an e class all terrain?
Does anyone know what the tyre size is of an A6 Allroad 50 TDI Vorsprung ? I know the wheel size is 21 " but the Audi website doesn't give an indication of tyre dimensions and profile . Many thank. Frank
Is the air suspension the same as the one you get on the regular Avant in terms of comfort?
Yeah I believe so, but I've never driven a regular C8 Avant, sooooooo comfortable 👌
No pal.
Was that soft road Burton Dassett? Great review.
It seems all VAG DSG inc Audi's s tronic have the same problem.
Great video!
common fault that the throttle response, doing loads of remaps correcting this, Q7's are terrible! good video though!!
You haven't driven a more comfortable car in the last 5 years ?? What about the 6 & 7 series BMWs ?
I love my S6.
Great car!My choice would be A6 allroad,but the older one(C7).
Yeah I think the C7 is the best looking of all generations 👌
wasnt it going to go up a bit more? with my allroad, the whole car lifts, than the rear a bit more, than the front a bit more
Ive an 15 plate a6 allroad 272 sport colour coded wheel arches, never seen one like it, Like shit of a shovel. C7 better looking, especially inside.
Ahh mega, bet your throttle response is miles better compared to this latest one, be keen to hear if you get the keys to one 👌
@@yetidh9 The interior in the c8 is to futuristic for me, c7 to c8 is a complete change, it might grow on me in the future but doubt it.
@@yetidh9 You are showing your age haha Stringfellows. Is that still going?
@@yetidh9 haha
Just bought one 😮
Wow - new camera Joe :)
Some markets get the 55 TDi engine with 345 hp and 700 Nm
Is that the Biturbo? Is there a biturbo diesel for the c8?
@@lucavangorkom9453 I believe so
Hey Joe, thanks for the comprehensive review. Have you driven any earlier versions of this same model? I am looking at a 2018 with the detuned 3.0 TDI and would be interested to know if your criticisms of this car are present on that one as well. Sadly because of the corona lockdown in Germany test drives are prohibited ...
That throttle delay also exists on mercs.... They feel so lazy.
Very very odd, it must be to get around the WLTP bullshit tests 😕
@@JoeAchilles1 I'm a BMW fan boy currently got a 640d M sport and had 730d M sport previously and never feel any lag and same goes for other BMs I've owned. I've had a few mercs and Lexus. With the mercs even though they are comfy cruisers I always found they had to think for a little while when pressing the accelerator. Maybe Audi have adopted or share something from merc parts.
Turbo delay it is! All audis and many many brands has the same issue.
The A6 Allroad is 18k Canadian dollars more than the top of the line A4 Allroad. That's a lot of dollars.
More car, more tech, more luxury
I acc have seen a regular cheap audi 6 beat a6 off roader on snow and off road terrain.
What sound it was at 11.55?
V w Touareg has a massive throttle delay too so annoying
Yeah anything with the VW group 3.0tdi really seems to suffer... 🤷🏻♂️
They f up with lots of things with this A6, prev gen is much more better car! This gen is just luxury Passat and prev gen was TRULY A6!!
Is it mild hybird
Offroad - the name says it all (allroad), it is a road car, but for all kinds of roads.
9:34 Cough... Trough... Slough.
Much better than any of these posh SUVs driven by women in the city center..or waiting in front of the kindergarden.
What is the point of sticking 50 badge on the back when there is 3.0 engine on the front? It's just a bit misleading. And 280 HP in a car like that is simply a joke. But at least there's not that much bad stuff going out of those fake exhaust tips...
Rare? In Sweden its very normal. Volvo CC, Audi allroad, Mercedes alltrack VW alltrack etc
Interesting, but this is the UK
Joe Achilles aight nice review nonetheless
Pretty sure those wheels are the 19’s tbh
I really really like this car. Would stick with my Prius until i can buy this one.
This is the most comfortable car you've driven in the last 5 years? Seriously? I mean you drive a 7 Series, so it's quite surprising to me that you're stating an A6 Allroad is more comfortable than the flagship BMW sedan. I guess it's the rubbish runflat tyres that make the 7er ride worse.
Yeah I guess the 7 is on par, what a should have said was "normal car"
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