The media cares about negative stories. The Media has trained followers to look for negative issues, whether true issues or media created negative issues. "Sell more copies" as they would say on the old newspaper days! 🇨🇦
Tesla's *self* *published* report means nothing. They have every reason to present a positive outlook, because they want to SELL CARS. We need an independent report that reviews Tesla's self-driving performance.
@@MarkSpohr LOL! I guess you are forgetting all the trouble Musk got into in the past, with SEC, Delaware Chancery Court, libel lawsuit, etc etc Elon Musk doesn't care much about any sort of 'trouble'.
@@DerekDavis213 "that reviews Tesla's self driving". Uhmn...there isn't such a thing. Auto pilot is really just an adaptive cruise control with lane keep. Fsd beta is software that tells you up front it's a system that may do the worst possible thing at the worst possible time. His whole point is that other systems by other manufacturers are comparable to Tesla's, but never any headlines about them being unable to be full self-driving. Your comment about singling out Tesla is just more proof of the bias.
@@davekozlowski1266 Other systems are *NOT* making the promises that Elon Musk is making: "FSD will drive you from Los Angeles to New York, door to door, automatically" Musk said that 5 years ago. In October of 2022, that is total bs. FSD is not even close to that level of performance! People are waiting for FSD to safely take FULL control of the car, so we can sleep or eat or read a book while driving down the freeway. Tesla's FSD is totally primitive and buggy and not able to function as promised. Soon, there will probably be a class action lawsuit, so customers can recover the *millions* *of* *dollars* they have wasted on FSD.
This report included hands free driving while on GM super cruise it's legal to do so... I read the report and i found out that it quite a good results for GM super cruise as people are comfortable engaging it. Moreover, GM super cruise has a function of monitoring the driver and disengage the system if the driver violate certain rules such as phone using or not paying attention to the road and so..
Distraction can result in accidents. You can get a ticket for Phone use in New Zealand. (Probably Australia too.) I suspect a defence of having a"super cruise", or "FSD" will not likely get you off a fine.
This is why U.S. media has Z E R O credibility! You just can't believe a thing they say, unless it has to do with GM, then its 1 trillion % positive, the holy grail of truth and the greatest news ever told.
As a Brit, where operating your phone is illegal, I was absolutely horrified to look out of the coach window while travelling from Nashville to Memphis to see a lady in a Tesla in the fast/overtaking lane completely engrossed in her phone with both hands not even looking where she was going.
Hahaha try doing that WITHOUT FSD happens all the time over here , swerving slowing down, speeding up and driving in the passing lane holding a phone while driving a beater. just avoid the idiots like the plague !
@@gregchristie2763 Agreed Greg, but I was specifically referring to travelling down the fast lane of the freeway/motorway with both hands on phone texting, or other such interactive activity, but thank you for the clarification.
I find that one the most alarming. Along with reading a book, phone apps, watching phone video. These are the most dangerous activities that demonstrate non-attendance to driving. Things like eating and talking to other passengers are easy to manage while watching the road ahead. In this respect, Tesla scores much worse than GM. This shows that there are still a significant number of people who believe Autopilot is far more advanced than it is.
I personally could care less for “auto pilot” or self driving features. I enjoy driving. The only time I will answer my phone, is if I can hit a button on the steering wheel. If one of my kids are with me, they answer and talk to whoever. I enjoy driving!
Autopilot and Cruise at their core have very little in common. Where Tesla has billions of miles training its AI neural network 4D vision system including more and more edge cases, GM's like Ford's system relies on the 'guard rails' if existng maps, can't maneuver in challenging situations, etc. Plus, Tesla's driver cam, steering wheel sensor monitor the driver in real time.
And don't forget that Tesla can leverage the ethereal fanboy fervor which is proven time and again to be a powerful and essentially unlimited fuel source for its hype train.
I recommend a 63 Chevy. Seriously has nothing to do with the drivetrain. Just how much computer you have onboard. New ICE cars are possibly easier to hack because the companies are not as into good software. More to it than that but don't want to lose the non computer people.
Yea I'm thinking you probably want a prehistoric fossil car, all jok3s aside that works for some people, but you probably won't get much life out of it
@@danharold3087 Our home computers get hacked. Target got hacked. Hospitals got hacked (literally disabling a hospital, putting lives at risk for ransom). Etc... etc. I don't want a car that has to be connected to the internet for it to function. And it's not just about the tech today. It's also about who will control it in the future. And it's unclear who will own what. So I'm thinking about car companies AND outside bad actors. And indeed, some gas cars can be hacked. I definitely don't want one of those. Dreaming about having a Polestar. I want one of those! (I wish they called it a Volvo though).
I'm hoping in a few years it won't matter, as the cars will be able to do it all anyway. It's the in-between phase that is dangerous - good enough to lull people into a false sense of security but not good enough to truly justify that sense.
@@Supraboyes no one's forcing anyone to use the software. You're free to wait until it's fully ready. Just recognise it won't get there nearly as quickly without the voluntary crash test dummies, so give them some gratitude. Anyway, accidents are far fewer with the software running so you're still better off using it than not.
Super Cruise is safer because it uses a camera that is looking at you all the time and requires you to pay attention. If you are on your phone Super Cruise will blink red and yell at you to take the wheel or the system will disengage, pull over and come to a complete stop
Let them keep reporting it. It's all free publicity for Tesla, and sensible people see straight through the media headlines. Tesla want sensible drivers, so the publicity is good publicity.
of cuz it is. cruise is inferior by a huge margin. sudden change in road conditions will not be accounted for under cruise. its like telling a blind man a predefined set of footsteps to walk into. stupid people will think cruise is good and trust their lives on it.
With things like android auto and apple car play, etc there's really no excuse to text with your hands or even look at a screen. Any of these cars with Supercruise or Autopilot have voice controlled texting abilities. Looking at your phone while driving is dumb to begin with, even more stupid when you consider you can send texts without using your hands or eyes.
The only thing the study proves is that Tesla drivers are better liars. Super cruise is limited to mapped roadways unlike autopilot that can Drive virtually anywhere. Super cruise is safer pound for pound due to its road mapping and limited availability
@@MarkSpohr Yes, software for starters. I read an explanation of how to use it, apparently you need Lidar image maps of all the surroundings in the area you intend to use the car, and then the onboard computer does a running comparison of the map to everything it senses at the moment. There's no way it makes sense to have that much data instantly accessible for self-driving. Some automated taxi services are using this, but the taxis can only be used in the neighbourhoods they have Lidar maps for.
I see where the US Gov is about to loan GM and LG Chem $2.5 billion. GM stiffed the taxpayers the last time it had a loan. GM paid off the loan with stock and we got that shaft. Your view on this may vary.
I want an autopilot that LETS ME be distracted safely, but can resume full attention when the system requires me to. Looking fwd to Luminar subscription (or whatever lets me do that soon for my next luxury car).
@@danharold3087 I don't expect Tesla to get what I want (hands-off AND eyes-off fsd), others will get there (probably limited to hwys, but thats okay) way before Tesla.
As a Model Y owner, I like Autopilot - it works flawlessly. However, as an FSD Beta tester of just 2 days - FSD is a joke. In just 2 days of me playing around with it 4 times, it has gotten the car into situations that I had to take over, or a crash would have occurred. I've waited 6 months to get FSD, and it finally showed up in an update and I had high expectations. After watching about 100 TH-cams of FSD tooling around, I expected FSD to be on the level of a 15-year-old and Dad teaching it how to drive and take over occasionally. What I got was a 10 year old so incompetent that there is no way I'll use FSD with the family in the car. Very disappointed, and I stand by my prediction that FSD is going to be a typical "90% project" - it never gets to 100%, which is Level 4 autonomy. I don't know what it needs, but this is really bad.
@@stoner27th I own two software companies and hold 8 software patents. What TESLA is doing is insanely difficult. FSD is an amassing piece of software. Why this guy thinks TESLA will need to meet 100% autonomous is batsh-t nuts. It will always be a march of nines. Humans aren’t even a march of nines and never will be! The fact that no one has died traveling over billions of miles is a great statistical data. Beta is level 2 and the moron doesn’t even get that. I have owned a MX since 2016 and I have experienced autopilot for over 6.5 years. It’s great. FSD needs work and I will not judge any platform when it under BETA, other than does it have potential for something I would pay for when it’s ready for mass adoption. The answer would be YES. Tesla has not declared this yet Left foot driving moron.
The critical attitude of the media on TESLA SOFTWARE is the reaction on the expressed pretentions of MUSK, who has not delivered on AUTOPILOT LEVEL 4/5. The use of the current lower level software is obviously not without risks., AND IN MY OPINION SHOULD NO SELF DRIVING SOFTWARE BE USED, NOT PREVENTING ANY MAJOR CRASH.!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well statistics say otherwise regarding the numbers of crashes per miles driven and this is publicly available 😉 you just have to just digging in their reports that they sent to NITHSA.
Super Cruise is lv 5 and Autopilot is lv 2. That is the difference. I have seen all the advertisements from GM showing you can take your hands off the wheel and the car will drive itself. You can even go to sleep. Amazing what GM has done. Some day Tesla will be that good. Where they can show advertisements with drivers sleeping, reading, watching videos, all while the car drives itself like GM Super Cruise can.
Not even close. Tesla's Autopilot is a better SuperCruise. Tesla's Full Self Driving (beta) has no equal and won't ever have a competitor (the Weymo version is "fenced" - Tesla is wide open, usable everywhere). Tesla's AP is an "everywhere" technology whereas SuperCruise and BlueCruise require "pre-mapping" and thus is limited to a few mapped freeways out there. Stop lying, you GM shill.
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The media cares about negative stories. The Media has trained followers to look for negative issues, whether true issues or media created negative issues. "Sell more copies" as they would say on the old newspaper days! 🇨🇦
Tesla publishes a quarterly safety report which shows AP and FSD much safer than average driver. I take it that GM doesn't publish anything similar.
Tesla's *self* *published* report means nothing. They have every reason to present a positive outlook, because they want to SELL CARS.
We need an independent report that reviews Tesla's self-driving performance.
@@DerekDavis213 Tesla would be in a lot of trouble with SEC, NTSB, etc. If they published false information.
@@MarkSpohr LOL! I guess you are forgetting all the trouble Musk got into in the past, with SEC, Delaware Chancery Court, libel lawsuit, etc etc
Elon Musk doesn't care much about any sort of 'trouble'.
@@DerekDavis213 "that reviews Tesla's self driving". Uhmn...there isn't such a thing. Auto pilot is really just an adaptive cruise control with lane keep. Fsd beta is software that tells you up front it's a system that may do the worst possible thing at the worst possible time. His whole point is that other systems by other manufacturers are comparable to Tesla's, but never any headlines about them being unable to be full self-driving. Your comment about singling out Tesla is just more proof of the bias.
@@davekozlowski1266 Other systems are *NOT* making the promises that Elon Musk is making:
"FSD will drive you from Los Angeles to New York, door to door, automatically"
Musk said that 5 years ago. In October of 2022, that is total bs. FSD is not even close to that level of performance!
People are waiting for FSD to safely take FULL control of the car, so we can sleep or eat or read a book while driving down the freeway. Tesla's FSD is totally primitive and buggy and not able to function as promised. Soon, there will probably be a class action lawsuit, so customers can recover the *millions* *of* *dollars* they have wasted on FSD.
This report included hands free driving while on GM super cruise it's legal to do so... I read the report and i found out that it quite a good results for GM super cruise as people are comfortable engaging it. Moreover, GM super cruise has a function of monitoring the driver and disengage the system if the driver violate certain rules such as phone using or not paying attention to the road and so..
Tesla also monitors driver attentiveness using the in-cabin camera. It makes it impossible for the driver to look at his phone without being warned.
Distraction can result in accidents. You can get a ticket for Phone use in New Zealand. (Probably Australia too.) I suspect a defence of having a"super cruise", or "FSD" will not likely get you off a fine.
This is why U.S. media has Z E R O credibility! You just can't believe a thing they say, unless it has to do with GM, then its 1 trillion % positive, the holy grail of truth and the greatest news ever told.
As a Brit, where operating your phone is illegal, I was absolutely horrified to look out of the coach window while travelling from Nashville to Memphis to see a lady in a Tesla in the fast/overtaking lane completely engrossed in her phone with both hands not even looking where she was going.
Hahaha try doing that WITHOUT FSD happens all the time over here , swerving slowing down, speeding up and driving in the passing lane holding a phone while driving a beater. just avoid the idiots like the plague !
I think you'll find operating your phone is legal in the UK as long as it's hands-free... in other words voice activated.
@@gregchristie2763 Agreed Greg, but I was specifically referring to travelling down the fast lane of the freeway/motorway with both hands on phone texting, or other such interactive activity, but thank you for the clarification.
When was the last time a law stopped an idiot from doing something illegal? Hopefully, she will get caught, ticketed, and learn the easy way
The line about sleeping is interesting. I wonder when we really can "drive" and arrive both rested and safe.
I find that one the most alarming. Along with reading a book, phone apps, watching phone video. These are the most dangerous activities that demonstrate non-attendance to driving. Things like eating and talking to other passengers are easy to manage while watching the road ahead. In this respect, Tesla scores much worse than GM. This shows that there are still a significant number of people who believe Autopilot is far more advanced than it is.
I personally could care less for “auto pilot” or self driving features. I enjoy driving. The only time I will answer my phone, is if I can hit a button on the steering wheel. If one of my kids are with me, they answer and talk to whoever. I enjoy driving!
Autopilot and Cruise at their core have very little in common. Where Tesla has billions of miles training its AI neural network 4D vision system including more and more edge cases, GM's like Ford's system relies on the 'guard rails' if existng maps, can't maneuver in challenging situations, etc. Plus, Tesla's driver cam, steering wheel sensor monitor the driver in real time.
And don't forget that Tesla can leverage the ethereal fanboy fervor which is proven time and again to be a powerful and essentially unlimited fuel source for its hype train.
I don't want anything in my car that gives any possibility of getting hacked. Or trapped into some contract endlessly.
I recommend a 63 Chevy. Seriously has nothing to do with the drivetrain. Just how much computer you have onboard. New ICE cars are possibly easier to hack because the companies are not as into good software. More to it than that but don't want to lose the non computer people.
Yea I'm thinking you probably want a prehistoric fossil car, all jok3s aside that works for some people, but you probably won't get much life out of it
@@danharold3087 Our home computers get hacked. Target got hacked. Hospitals got hacked (literally disabling a hospital, putting lives at risk for ransom). Etc... etc. I don't want a car that has to be connected to the internet for it to function. And it's not just about the tech today. It's also about who will control it in the future. And it's unclear who will own what. So I'm thinking about car companies AND outside bad actors. And indeed, some gas cars can be hacked. I definitely don't want one of those.
Dreaming about having a Polestar. I want one of those! (I wish they called it a Volvo though).
Can't hack a Tesla. If you can, you should hack the bank and take all the money.
Stick with your Geo Metro then.
I'm hoping in a few years it won't matter, as the cars will be able to do it all anyway. It's the in-between phase that is dangerous - good enough to lull people into a false sense of security but not good enough to truly justify that sense.
Yep, it's nice to be a crash test dummy for Tesla
@@Supraboyes no one's forcing anyone to use the software. You're free to wait until it's fully ready. Just recognise it won't get there nearly as quickly without the voluntary crash test dummies, so give them some gratitude. Anyway, accidents are far fewer with the software running so you're still better off using it than not.
@@truhartwood3170 Thanks you and I agreed 100%
I just wanna' know- does the GM supercruise have the same (horrible) phantom braking issues?
no
@@Wrath0141 Maybe not, but SuperCruise will send you in the ditch at the first sharp curve on the highway!
Anyone else temember what, where, and when they first ate something while driving?
What kind of savage eats while driving?
@@ordinaryhuman5645 A hungry one on a dull empty road, amongst other things.
Super Cruise is safer because it uses a camera that is looking at you all the time and requires you to pay attention. If you are on your phone Super Cruise will blink red and yell at you to take the wheel or the system will disengage, pull over and come to a complete stop
Let them keep reporting it. It's all free publicity for Tesla, and sensible people see straight through the media headlines. Tesla want sensible drivers, so the publicity is good publicity.
I think you're mixing up AP and FSD. Your Tesla videos show a car driving under FSD but AP is the better SuperCruise.
Good GRIEF. 35% drinking!...I get that GM geezer drivers EAT, that's why they NEED an SUV.
of cuz it is. cruise is inferior by a huge margin.
sudden change in road conditions will not be accounted for under cruise. its like telling a blind man a predefined set of footsteps to walk into.
stupid people will think cruise is good and trust their lives on it.
With things like android auto and apple car play, etc there's really no excuse to text with your hands or even look at a screen. Any of these cars with Supercruise or Autopilot have voice controlled texting abilities. Looking at your phone while driving is dumb to begin with, even more stupid when you consider you can send texts without using your hands or eyes.
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Jai Hinduja. We Indians are more prudent by waiting for stable version release of L4 full self driving, smart autopilot, supercruise and 5G network.
The only thing the study proves is that Tesla drivers are better liars. Super cruise is limited to mapped roadways unlike autopilot that can Drive virtually anywhere. Super cruise is safer pound for pound due to its road mapping and limited availability
Have any SuperCruise vehicles made a hard turn and rammed the back of a parked emergency vehicle?
Or driven straight into the side of a semi-trailer… (Tesla can’t differentiate between a white truck and the sky).
In 5 years super Cruise , lidar will be in all cars and guess what we all might do go to sleep fall asleep
I don't think Lidar is going to be common at all, there are too many extra things needed to make it work well
Lidar is trash.
@@netgnostic1627 like software
@@MarkSpohr Yes, software for starters. I read an explanation of how to use it, apparently you need Lidar image maps of all the surroundings in the area you intend to use the car, and then the onboard computer does a running comparison of the map to everything it senses at the moment. There's no way it makes sense to have that much data instantly accessible for self-driving. Some automated taxi services are using this, but the taxis can only be used in the neighbourhoods they have Lidar maps for.
go gmc
I see where the US Gov is about to loan GM and LG Chem $2.5 billion. GM stiffed the taxpayers the last time it had a loan. GM paid off the loan with stock and we got that shaft. Your view on this may vary.
Go where?
you forgot: "go gmc, go bankrupt". They are inseparable now.
I want an autopilot that LETS ME be distracted safely, but can resume full attention when the system requires me to. Looking fwd to Luminar subscription (or whatever lets me do that soon for my next luxury car).
😂
@@GET2222 I'm not kidding. A lot of luxury consumers are willing to pay for being chauffered around without having another occupant in the car.
@@Vamanos46 What you are saying is you want Tesla to get FSD wrapped up.
@@danharold3087 exactly.😂 FSD is approaching the march of 99999s.
@@danharold3087 I don't expect Tesla to get what I want (hands-off AND eyes-off fsd), others will get there (probably limited to hwys, but thats okay) way before Tesla.
As a Model Y owner, I like Autopilot - it works flawlessly.
However, as an FSD Beta tester of just 2 days - FSD is a joke.
In just 2 days of me playing around with it 4 times, it has gotten the car into situations that I had to take over, or a crash would have occurred.
I've waited 6 months to get FSD, and it finally showed up in an update and I had high expectations.
After watching about 100 TH-cams of FSD tooling around, I expected FSD to be on the level of a 15-year-old and Dad teaching it how to drive and take over occasionally.
What I got was a 10 year old so incompetent that there is no way I'll use FSD with the family in the car.
Very disappointed, and I stand by my prediction that FSD is going to be a typical "90% project" - it never gets to 100%, which is Level 4 autonomy. I don't know what it needs, but this is really bad.
Why would you have high expectations? It’s BETA. Clearly you know nothing about software or exponentials.
> Your experience considerably different from other evaluations. Wonder why?
@@carlwest859 because he's so adamantly against turning left. how could FSD do anything with only right turns?
@@stoner27th I own two software companies and hold 8 software patents. What TESLA is doing is insanely difficult. FSD is an amassing piece of software. Why this guy thinks TESLA will need to meet 100% autonomous is batsh-t nuts. It will always be a march of nines. Humans aren’t even a march of nines and never will be! The fact that no one has died traveling over billions of miles is a great statistical data. Beta is level 2 and the moron doesn’t even get that.
I have owned a MX since 2016 and I have experienced autopilot for over 6.5 years. It’s great. FSD needs work and I will not judge any platform when it under BETA, other than does it have potential for something I would pay for when it’s ready for mass adoption. The answer would be YES. Tesla has not declared this yet Left foot driving moron.
@@GET2222 Developed software for 40 years before retiring - I know a project in a lot of trouble when I see it - and FSD is in a lot of trouble.
I would never want a car to drive itself, I can drive good enough .
more miles more reporting means gmc leading again this time in automation on the road
Uh huh. Sure...
What exactly is gmc leading in?
Except Tesla has more miles under FSD
The critical attitude of the media on TESLA SOFTWARE is the reaction on the expressed pretentions of MUSK, who has not delivered on AUTOPILOT LEVEL 4/5. The use of the current lower level software is obviously not without risks., AND IN MY OPINION SHOULD NO SELF DRIVING SOFTWARE BE USED, NOT PREVENTING ANY MAJOR CRASH.!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well statistics say otherwise regarding the numbers of crashes per miles driven and this is publicly available 😉 you just have to just digging in their reports that they sent to NITHSA.
Super Cruise is lv 5 and Autopilot is lv 2. That is the difference. I have seen all the advertisements from GM showing you can take your hands off the wheel and the car will drive itself. You can even go to sleep. Amazing what GM has done.
Some day Tesla will be that good. Where they can show advertisements with drivers sleeping, reading, watching videos, all while the car drives itself like GM Super Cruise can.
Super cruise is more like lvl 1 😂
Not even close. Tesla's Autopilot is a better SuperCruise. Tesla's Full Self Driving (beta) has no equal and won't ever have a competitor (the Weymo version is "fenced" - Tesla is wide open, usable everywhere). Tesla's AP is an "everywhere" technology whereas SuperCruise and BlueCruise require "pre-mapping" and thus is limited to a few mapped freeways out there. Stop lying, you GM shill.
Numbers say Tesla AP is extra safe, 'order of magnitude' safer, end of story. lol.
Yup, I was able to kiss my Wife, Text my Girlfriend, and eat a Big mack while the super cruise guided me at 70 MPH.
GM’s super cruise is a Democrat, while Teslas’ autopilot is Republican .
I have no idea what you're trying to say but I assume you're metaphorically shitting on both of them.
That's retarded. Most Republicans reject EVs.
So Tesla is incompetent?