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Quick question: Which country is actually assembling the majority of tech components? Is it mostly based on industries in China? Because lately, Amazon has been selling a lot of low-quality products
I have a question about "Bartlett Lake", I have not heard of any conspiracy theories and rumours, only the content you have put out. However looking at the layout diagrams and the interesting and new layout of the P and E cores, it appears to have an entirely different Bus layout and could very well not have these problems also because it is a whole new Bus layout / design. "if" Intel cannot fix this problem then Bartlett Lake may have to be the solution. And as for this thing about Bartlett Lake being for Networking, high speed stockbroking etc, that would also suggest that the Bus works well at high frequencies and low latencies which also backs up my point about Bartlett Lake having a different Bus.
I can't believe how many gamers are still saying 8 gigabytes of RAM is good enough, they eventually will be just stuck high and dry with their piddly 8 gigabytes.
Agreed, 16 Gigs is the bare minimum nowadays. 24-32 Gigs minimum to keep up for the next couple of years. A wise guy once said your Ram should roughly have twice as much GB as your Video card.
8GB of RAM was dead for me by 2020, it was a pain in the butt, so when I finally got another 16GB in 2021 and OCed it to 3200 from 2666, holy shite balls did I ever see a 40% improvement in speed and snappiness. The same thing when I finally went from quadcore 1400 to a hexacore 5600X in 2022 and again when I finally ditched the ol HDD and got an SSD in 2023. I realize now you were talking about _VRAM_ but failed to mention the 'V' part but its about the same situation anyways, I went from 4GB VRAM to 12GB VRAM in 2023 and its obvious 8GB VRAM wasnt enough already in 2021 let alone 2023.
Regarding Intel not getting back their reputation, I don't think people who are closely following this realize how little awareness there is outside of the PC hardware enthusiast community. I discussed this with two people who work in the tech industry, neither of whom had even heard of it. One of them actually worked for Intel years ago, and the other is an avid gamer who built a gaming rig last year using one of the affected CPUs, but has experienced no problems so far.
I think a lot of people here who are commenting, should realize how small of the pool we really are, I highly doubt Intel is gonna take a "severe reputation damage" that people are claiming, like right now currently it seems like a big deal, then it's just like 6m to 1 year later that this will just be covered up again by other events and just forgotten about, like those AMD mishaps with Zen 4. like for ex. if you google like Intel news or whatever and go to the websites, its just like enthusiast people who comment on those tech websites, and that's a extremely small sample compared to customers worldwide, especially when they are mostly English language websites; This currently doesn't really impact Intel to any significant degree. If it was significant it would be all over the news and media and would be the headline of many outlets worldwide. also the fact that no one really pays attention to the news either... says basically everything. (Biden for example on CNN barely gets views, but Trump does.) sorry for the politics, just needed to give a clear example.
Enthusiast don't have these problems that's the first thing these Techtubers aren't real Enthusiast everyone knows heat kills not voltage and the fact people never cooled these chips properly tells you the story anyone who isn't thermal throttling will never have this issue yet people want to blame intel. The blame is with the end user not taking the proper steps to cool and tune such a product it's not meant for just anyone.
@@airborn009 Uhh what do you think is going to happen when Dell and HP start getting dinged with huge numbers of RMAs? It WILL hit news wire, Forbes, Associated Press, etc and then the excrement will hit the bladed cooling device, these channels are just the canaries in the coal mine 🐦
A 64 bit card, being called XX50 or x500XT and not XX30 just infuriates me, almost as much as a 128 bit card being called a 4060TI and not a 4050TI, or a 192 bit card being called a 12GB 4080, not a 4060TI
They are finding new ways to rip off consumers who don’t even realize there is a significant difference aside from the price between all these graphics cards.
@@saricubra2867 Actually MLID says Battlemage is dead as is ARC, he wasn't able to find a single board partner who even knew about BM much less is building any cards so according to his sources Battlemage will be only a discrete chip for laptops and Celestial will be the IGP for a few Intel CPUs so they can say it has launched and then stick a fork, ARC is done. They simply cannot afford with the 13th and 14th gen disaster hanging over their heads to blow hundreds of millions trying to compete with discrete GPUs, not when sources say they are losing money on every GPU sold below the 770.
@@TheHangarHobbit "MLID says Battlemage is dead as is ARC, he wasn't able to find a single board partner who even knew about BM much less is building any cards so according to his sources Battlemage will be only a discrete chip for laptops and Celestial will be the IGP for a few Intel CPUs" He said like years ago that ARC was cancelled and now is in development. I think he should check his sources again. Kinda hypocritical complaining about NVIDIA meanwhile Intel are the only ones that can fix that part of the GPU market.
You’ve got to remember Strix is aimed primarily at the thin and light laptops segment, not +50W gaming slabs with +60W GPUs. The concept is: more than enough CPU power for almost every regular task - productivity, lower end video editing, coding and gaming etc, on battery not mains power, as well as staying cool, quiet and with all day battery life. Very few x86 laptops have really been able to deliver that until now. Also note, the highest effective TDP output seen on a Zen 5 laptop so far is 53W - in a 13” 2-in-1 with a 4050 and an OLED touch screen!!! 🤯 And reviewers are saying it doesn’t throttle or get uncomfortably hot! 😮 That’s pretty amazing.
@@timmyjohns222 it’s the first week. By the time Lunar Lake laptops start hitting the shelves in a couple of months, prices will get a lot more friendly, especially in the US. Here in the UK not so much, sadly.😏
"productivity, lower end video editing, coding and gaming" Actually for video editing any professional could use this. It's not just lower end video editing. Now, if you want to RENDER what you've done that's a different story, but with 24 threads and the power of Zen 5 cores I would imagine that's getting you close to desktop Zen 3 12c/24t, maybe even better, so it's only professionals working on workstations that wouldn't use this. With what I saw Gordon test that laptop will get through any desktop workload though with a time hit for more demanding and heavily threaded apps vs. desktop.
It's just funny to me that anyone over the last 5 years has defended Intel. They have been on a downward spiral and have not been able to turn it around. Then you throw on this whole debacle and it isn't looking good for Intel
They haven't been rejecting RMAs AFAIK. _That's_ when it's time for government intervention. The FTC would have nothing to do with it unless Intel was found to be lying to investors. The consumers would require a class action like happened to AMD with FX.
@@JasonWilliams-lt2ql Maybe in the US, but in other countries and economic blocs around the world, the warranty limit doesn't really matter, particularly for design defects. Refunds are likely to be required, whether Intel is happy or not. And then, are those in the US going to be happy to be treated worse?
With the developers warning about Intel CPUs, I wonder how long it takes until EA says it's Intel's fault that Jedi Survivor crashes when you take screenshots and generally crashes like 3 to 4 times an hour.
It, uhhh, doesn't crash 3-4 times an hour on my 7950X3D at stock settings with 6000CL30 memory. It crashed a few times on me in the weeks after launch, but I don't even remember when it crashed last. I'm on my laptop now, so I can't take a screenshot and test that without getting off my ass, which is not happening - burp - sorry. Anyhow: If it is crashing 3-4 times an hour for Intel users... then it's Intel's fault.
@@andersjjensen Well, it often crashes with unexpected behaviour, for example taking a screenshot. But now, I am not sure, are those reported crashes system crashes or only game crashes?
Patiently waiting for the PS5 Pro. I don't have a PS5, and having the "best" console for GTA VI sounds lovely. Edit: And Spider-Man 2, God of War & Ragnarok. Haven't played those yet!
@@ReveriePassGTA VI might launch in 2025. So you will buy the PS5 Pro anyway bc PSSR would enable 4K 60 fps to make twerking sugar babies visually stunning!😂😂😂
I think VR is in a tricky place. It's niche and expensive, so there's not a lot of money to make, so it's slow development from both hardware and software. Most games are fun but shallow, all that keeps it niche and expensive. The last few years making a push in the tech was nice though.
used Quest 2's are brilliant and are like $200. it's extremely cheap to get into. and if you want to play PCVR, you can get a decent USB 3.2 cable for $20 with that $200 Q2, and just about any reasonably capable PC from the last three or four GPU generations will run pretty much everything. it's really not that expensive
VR will take off once the graphics and "immersion" improve. Because let's be honest, right now it feels like you have a monitor plastered to your face.
@@henrythegreatamerican8136That's false, it's already good enough hardware wise it's just software lacking, we are at the breaking point currently which is Quest 3, it's getting Vision Pro UI now to make it a solid XR device. All VR need is for games to port into VR easily, which means just like you have Ray Tracing, games need to have VR option, so when games like Cyberpunk or Battlefield or others have VR mode then players will get to try it, and from VR experience I can say Racing Sims kicked off because Racing Sims players tried VR with Assetto Corsa and GT7. The games to have VR mode is not hard nowadays due to Unreal Engine 5 and above tech, UEVR is an example
it's going to take breakthroughs from indie devs so the triple A billion dollar companies can run. Mikoverse is definitely going to help VR in the long run.
VR is hardly expensive, but it absolutely has a problem with a dearth of shit quality "games" that are really just glorified demos. For every HL:Alyx, Beatsaber, Walkaround Mini Golf, or Arizona Sunshine, there's dozens of low effort cash grabs that you can tell are essentially phone quality games trying to make a quick buck. The thing is there's a TON of installed base headsets, but it's all partitioned between SteamVR/PCVR/WMR and Metaface's Quest. Microsoft and Steam plays nice with Meta, but Meta are dicks that won't openly support PCVR headsets because they want to play the exclusivity bullshit like Sony. Which makes no sense whatsoever because they don't make money on hardware, it's all on software. If they'd fully support other headsets there's several games I'd buy off Metaface.
Basically what I got from reviews of Ryzen AI was: needs better laptops with possibly better cooling, if TDP is to be increased. needs so-dimm (or similar) memory support. I was thinking of buying framework Laptop, but I would love to buy more memory later.
Fast LPDDR5 CAMM2 modules instead of soldered RAM would be awesome, but we'll have to wait a while for OEMs and memory manufacturers to start adapting the new standard.
TDP won't increase. It's a 4 P core chip it is NOT meant for performance even the GPU. It's totally designed for thin laptops and for long battery life. Strix Halo is designed to "game gud". There is NO MORE general use AMD SoC going forward.
@@JoeL-xk6bo They release models from 15-54W. I'm talking of having appropriate cooling for appropriate TDP. Several reviews pointed out that for 28TDP the cooling isn't appropriate. So I hope that for 54W it will be appropriate.
nobody liked me saying Intel cpus were frying 1 year ago noooo took 1.5 years to have them talking about "instability issues" which again were not, my cpu tower(s) are at head height I smelled mine burn they're still running if you don't mind constant bluescreens being unable to run 4 sticks even in ddr4 and here's a useful tip to know if yours is on it's way out, it will be unable to run cinebenchr23 without crashing, if even on stock settings with low ddr speeds CR23 crashes your cpu is already gone, just a zombie stumbling around, for that reason and many others I stopped following hardware tech channels, they have the same problem video game journalism had they do not DARE say the truth until it's already out in fear of their access being cut, I'm dragging my 13900k until I have time to rebuild my liquid cooled PC and then I'm going AMD probably forever
_"nobody liked me saying Intel cpus were frying 1 year ago"_ What, exactly, were you doing that caused your Intel CPUs to "burn"? Were you running endless, pointless, benchmarks with a stock air cooler? Typical day to day tasks and gaming will hardly make the fan on an OEM Intel air cooler spin more than an idle speed.
Perf/watt on AMD seems to actually be very close to Apple and Qualcomm in heavy MT CPU tasks and heavy GPU tasks. But AMD and Intel need to optimize their idle/light load power consumption. Qualcomm and Apple SoCs have been designed for always on devices lasting for days (network active for notifications and calls). They have 15 year experience on this. It’s not just about CPU cores. SoC uncore is likely more efficient in these phone->laptop SoCs. It’s an area where AMD and Intel need to improve. These 12+ hour battery tests are dominated by idle/light load and this is where Qualcomm/Apple still has advantage. But this doesn’t mean that AMDs CPU or GPU cores have bad perf/watt. Those are mostly idling in these battery tests.
Intel's latest microcode already lowered multicore speed by around 7% in CB r23 (while comparing first microcode to latest microcode) as tested by Buildzoid from Actually Hardcore Overclocking. If this new microcode lowers single core by around the same amount... Intel fucked themselves, hard.
Im standing here . Waiting to drop 450 euro on a 9800x3d and mother board the moment my 13700kf dies. Or hope i can get a replacement at least. Intel of f u q e d
@@snakeinabox7220 Find a big 7zip file and write a bat file that extracts it over and over and over again. When the CPU breaks, demand a refund from the retail shop. Not Intel.
@@snakeinabox7220 Oh... Yeah, you better start looking at exit strategies. If you can manage to save up for an AM5 system and pitch your current setup on Facebook Market place (or whatever) before the shit hits the fan that would probably be ideal.
I got a microcode update for my x99 i7 6850k in windows update to fix spectre/meltdown since gigabyte didnt have bios updates. This update disabled all overclocking and ignored alll bios voltage settings bios until i figured out how to block the update, which required changing permission on the microcode file so windows cant open it. Just turned computer one one day and it was 30% slower.
Do they really care? IF you look at the numbers, intel still owns 75% of the market and sells 4 times more cpus than AMD. You think 50% of intel customers are gonna switch to AMD? I doubt it
@@pedro.alcatra and this is Exactly what I have been saying. I'm Not just talking about us single users, I mean the big corporations. Will they be willing to contine with Intel after this horrendous lack of communication and lies?
The smart thing to do if you had an affected Intel CPU for more than a week is to degrade it on purpose and get a new one or a refund, because it's already damaged, even if it's not unstable yet, and using the microcode update isn't going to restore it.
Yup. 7zip decompression seems to be exceptionally hard on them, so just compress your, uhm, you know what folder I'm talking about, and make a bat file that extracts the file over and over and over until the CPU barfs.
@@andersjjensen Apparently running Minecraft servers is also exceptionally hard on Raptor Lake, not as generalizable as 7Zip decompression though. I wonder if there are certain BOINC and Folding at Home projects that absolutely wreck Raptor Lake
@@tomhsia4354 Folding at Home uses SSE/AVX which is not the main culprit. The main culprit SEEMS to be memory I/O heavy integer workloads, as that causes the CPU to boost to max while stressing the ring bus with a ton of data.
I have a 13900KS with the first 3 cores humming along above 6 Ghz. After the latest ASUS BIOS update I lost 11 percent performance and those three cores are no longer at 6 Ghz or higher. Cores 4 and 5 are now 6 Ghz only. Clever. Shift the boost to other cores in case the original ones have been degraded. Anyone have a similar story? To hell with Intel. Next build will be AMD.
Maybe you had multicore enhancement on by default, means you were running the 13900KS with an unsafe overclock. This is lawsuit material, they got away with the 8700K cheating on benchmarks with multicore enhancement on.
@@saricubra2867 Yeah, why would they even want it to be the default? And in my BIOS it said something as confusing as 'enable to disable.' Until I figured it out, it made me think it was off by default when it said 'default. But you have to choose 'enable' to disable it.
HVAC systems in micro chip fabs are an entirely different breed of animal than what you're used to, and they are a significant part of both the expense and running cost of a fab, so their capacity and filter stacks are closely matched to their expected operating environment. I'm not saying that it wasn't dog shit maintenance that prevented them from finding out that the system took water in where water shouldn't go. What I'm saying is that a system that was never designed for rain Denmark considers "a bit wetter than usual" (say, 200mm in 45 minutes) is going to ingest a whole lot while having no where near enough drainage capacity.
If Intel doesn't continue to make LGA 1700 I could see a multi-billion dollar class action ahead, because it is becoming obvious that ALL of the 13th and 14th gen CPUs are going to die prematurely and with only a single generation functional on that socket all those that bought 1700 for the 13th and 14th gen is going to have a slam dunk no effort lawsuit. So whether on 10nm or another node they are going to have to make something they can use to RMA all those dying chips.
Shitty yields. If half your silicon is being produced just to be either put into a low bin for which there isn't a lot of demand or scrapped because it's broken, your capacity suddenly seems awfully low even with declining demand.
Because there are still a lot of youtubers being paid to make Intel look good, they are still telling people to build with Intel CPUs, telling that all of this problems with Intel it's just a easy microcode fix.
If it makes you feel any better, there is a dutch standardized accent called "ABN", which is what is taught in schools, which stands for "Generally Civilized Dutch", and nobody in this country speaks it aside from maybe the king (maybe not even he does perfectly), in fact there's like 2 or 3 different official languages aside from dutch within a 200/300km radius with a myriad of different accents and pronunciations, so you can pronounce it however you want nobody blames you But yea Dutch officially stems from old dutch (hollands), which stems from low-franconian in the southwestern parts (around holland, which is not the same as netherlands as a whole), then there's the low-saxon parts of it (which is the majority) that has the language stem from well, low saxon, which was more spread across what is today mostly germany (though german is based more on "high german"), and then there's frysian which is related to old english, you mix and mash all of that together in a small country and you get a bastardized form, which is today's Dutch, so yea you're kinda correct. There's also flemish in belgium which flows over into southern netherlands, but I don't know if that falls under low-franconian also, probably does, there's some distant nordic influences also from old-saxon, which is the basis of both frysian and low-saxon, it's a mix-mash of pretty much everything
If game devs move over to AMD processors will there be an unexpected performance increase for AMD cpus down the road as these devices will get more optimizations because of the primary device position in the dev life cycle.
@@bryo4321 yeah, I tried it. I still get some stuttering and I hope they refine it even more. If they make AFMF and FSR 3.1 both better in a few more revisions, it will be great.
18:42 I have a 7840U that goes to 45W in Furmark because Lenovo decided that the U nomenclature means "thin"... and it's sorta thin for a Thinkpad... but it can also spin the fans like a jet engine, so 45W it is!! 1:01:30 Not a problem at all. Windows (and Linux and MacOS) has an avenue via the kernel to load updated CPU microcode at boot time. You got Spectre and Meltdown microcode updates via Windows Update too, remember?
At 1hr 32sec: Wendell actually said to lower the memory clocks to 3600 will have the biggest impact and limiting the multiplier to 53-54 will have the second largest impact in help prevent Intel chip failures (as of today). @MooresLawIsDead
I did some statistical analysis of weather near Chandler AZ (which isn't helpful when sensor stops working for 1 damn day, unless it is normal in Arizona that temperature during the day is 104F and in the night 0F). I had to vet some of the results and use other locations (not that far away thankfully), but there seemed to be a period of much higher than usual humidity in late February and throughout most of March 2023, which while it can be explained by drop in temperatures, the drop is too small to explain increase humidity. Number of relatively warm days (and fab gets HVAC not only to cool down the air from outside, but to cool down air inside ( machinery generates a lot of heat), plus it filters stuff, plus it is supposed to keep moisture at good level) with "high" humidity (admittedly this is the biggest flaw of my "research" - I have 0 idea what humidity is acceptable for electronics, but I know personally that my comfort falls badly around 70% and my HVAC system needs more often to be emptied of water around 70-75%) was massive compared to previous year or this year. I hope someone competent can actually analyze the data that is out there.
Agent weather station out here providing the crucial information XD Semiconductor manufacturing is quite fickle though and something like high humidity that was not fully compensated for by the cleanroom HVAC systems could well have some adverse effects.
@@hammerth1421 The thing that baffles me is that those fabs have sensors for days. Above average humidity should lead to alert at the very least and too much of it - shutdown. The fact it took like 3-4 months is mindblowing. And unlike weather sensor, fabs have so many redundant ones that it's incomprehensible that "no-one" would notice.
@@prman9984 Which is why I threw that datapoint away. I mean it would have to be a long night to radiate so much heat that you'd be left with air temperature near the ground of 0F.
I received the ProArt 16 yesterday. I got 2900 on geekbench 6 and 15300 multicore open cl 42000 on 890m and 88000 on 4060. You can get amazing battery life if run it on whisper mode about 6 percent per hour still runs at 45 watts so great for most workloads.
The bios updates for Intel are crazy atm . I downloaded the latest MSI Bios (came out like 4 days ago ) for my 13600k and with default settings (only thing i enabled was xmp ) the cpu was drawing at most 100w and i lost about 55% PERF!!! in multicore performance .. Tested with cinebench r24 . SCore before was 1290 and after the update about 610 ... I thought , i dont really care about multicore perf as im more of a gamer , lets see if the gaming is affected , so i ran Cod and i was gettin throttled with an rx6800 !!! Holy shit ... Tried Intel extreme settings , same shit ... I was gettin better perf with my old 12400f ..... Only with MSI UNLOCKED settings my cpu was getting the performance i freaking bought... Only thing i did manually was to lower the load line calibration to 2 so the cpu draws like tops a 1,33 voltage ...
@@sulphurous2656they are however hot and power hungry. It's been as reliable as every other GPU I've purchased. And the founders edition is pretty gimped.. Where does the unreliable come from? The power connector? Had zero issues with that as well.
Chris like microcenter. Got a 4070 ti super the other day for $799. 🤷 Searching for the perfect deal and comparing the benefit of nvidia over the value of AMD just got old after a few months. I finally decided that it was worth it to get the gpu that has no comprimises today is worth it over something $100 cheaper for 10% faster in 6 months. I think DLSS is pretty hyped and yet it is still underrated. At 4k, quality looks as good as native and balanced looks better than fsr quality so that pretty much nullifies what higher performance you get with an equivalent amd gpu. And then there is the microstutter i had on 6950 xt in half my games.. no that you. Also, buy AMD!! We need them doing well.
The biggest improvement for visual gaming quality is higher texture resolution. There two way to increase it, the crude force get more VRAM and the smart yet limited improve texture compression. APU may lack in rasterization and ray tracing compare to RAM amount. You'll find it's better only because of texture resolution.
Greetings in Dutch: "groetjes". Easy enough, right? Fun fact, around 10% of the words in English come from Dutch, including among other cookies, yacht, pier and broad (breed).
I put 64GB of RAM in my Elitebook 865 G9. I could even have put in 96GB if I used 48GB sticks. How many laptops with soldered on RAM can you get with that much RAM? And how much would it cost?
@@Knowbody42 you can't, I don't know if the maximum is 48GB or 32GB for LPDDR5X but that's your ceiling at the moment I believe as it's always half of (LP?)DDR5. I suspect that if 48GB LPDDR5X exists it's at a very healthy premium price 🤬
@@APU-iGPU I come from a society with reasonable pro-consumer laws and I wish that they would force manufactures to ship devices with soldered RAM to ship with the current maximum available option as the only RAM option. I think that that's a reasonable compromise, don't ban it, just limit it so that the devices don't artificially become e-waste ahead of time. There's a couple of options now instead of soldering, CAMM2 and SODIMM. CAMM2 has the benefit of higher speeds through LPDDR5X support as well as supporting higher capacities through LPDDR5 and being replaceable and so upgradable. SODIMMs will be there as a stalwart option potentially with CUDIMMs as an option to bump the speeds up in future
Speaking of Lawsuit, aren't they getting one right now for misrepresenting their 2023 foundry profit? Investors called their report "false and misleading" I just looked up Intel lawsuit to see if there was one right now and I found it. Reminds me of the talk Tom had about Intel's yearly /quarterly earnings calls having different numbers every time so that every new quarter/year looks better
NotebookcheckReviews included in his review the AsusProArt Px13 with the ryzen 9 12 cores, he didn't state how much power it consumes but it was significantly faster, i think these new processors scales very good with higher power consumption
Monsoons are NOT rare in Arizona. They happen annually at the end of every summer. Having one early in March was unusual in 2023, but the AC should work and should be checked.
Yeah, I am not from Arizona. However the point stands - Intel was caught off guard, and their HVAC system failed (and no, it still shouldn't have failed).
12:25 Is not exactly a soldered RAM requirement but a requirement to use LPDDR memory and until now that’s only been possible with soldered RAM, but now there is an alternative, which already is buyable, LPCAMM2
"If you give it more power it doesn't have enough bandwidth" That's exactly what happens with these RDNA3.5 APUs. The Phawx made a deep dive video about this topic.
Tom, I am not sure how Windows does it but Linux does constantly push new microcode on boot. Every boot Linux will check if the CPU has older microcode and then will load it on the CPU. Surely Windows does this as well, since the speculation bugs needed new microcode and many Bios weren't being touched anymore.
Most of the Strix laptop Reviews have a 16 inch screens which would be a major factor with "random" battery life to other laptops that don't have a 16 inch screen
Apple might (when forced to by law) announce privately that there is a "mild issue" with "a small number" of devices. They will also blame it on user error. And ONLY if a class action succeeds 5 years later, will they quietly and begrudgingly compensate people who bought them.
Microcode updates can be sent via Windows updates, but your chip will be running unlocked voltages until Window loads the microcode update. That means that your CPU will potentially die from that exposure if you don't update the firmware (it could even potentially die whilst carrying out the firmware update unless you can update the board without the CPU installed like AMD boards can these days)
It's funny watching stuff two weeks old sometimes and hearing comments like 'i think AMD will price Zen5 cheap so Intel doesn't have to worry about selling anything' --- only for AMD to increase the price $50 and put an X that doesn't belong.
Strix Halo is only going to be in seriously expensive laptops as it as quad channel memory. That requires a lot more layers on the motherboard and twice as many memory chips.
i must say that the IGPU testing is super weird... some show massive uplift and some show tiny up lift for example anandtech huge but Matthew Moniz showed tiny advantage in most games vs the ROG ally
And The Phawx is also already talking about updates coming out right now that already boosting performance by 10%+ in some games. I think it's obvious RDNA 3.5 needs a couple months of optimization, and the CPU probably needs a microcode update to get better utilization. But in the meantime, it's still the best APU, and thus I think AMD did decide to just get it out ASAP to hit back-to-school.
@@MooresLawIsDead Hardware Canucks show awful GPU performance in gpu limited games ( and a nice up lift in CPU limit once) at 12:40 he points to a possibility that the CPU gets way too much power and starve the GPU in games (a bit like the ROG ally did at 15W when it come out) th-cam.com/video/RiI9UGO3Ta0/w-d-xo.html I wonder if that was the point of Z1 extreme to begin with, different microcode to prioritized GPU...
AMD does two Strix launches because they can. First 28W MacBook Air like (and better in some ways) laptops, where the message is 'look you don't need to go for Apple anymore and forget XElite'. It's 'the whole laptop' way, not just we have new chip and tons of HW you won't understand etc - here, get a great S16 you've already seen pre-released a month ago, that does what 80% of mainstream users want and does it well enough + great. And then they'll launch 45w+ options, where the power will be but with a different balance and for different users that should spend more time to understand what they want and will get. And it will generate another news cycle, new headlines etc. Why not do it this way, when you win both times and you can control the message/targets?
It is a bit strange that the one model everyone chose to review was the 16" zenbook version that is limited to 28W TDP when ASUS also have a 14" and a 16" vivobook model that runs the same CPU at the full 54W TDP. The zenbook is more expensive but doesn't appear to have many advantages over the cheaper vivobook. In fact, the vivobook has more output ports (one more USB A 3.1), same CPU but with higher TDP instead of limited, can fold fully flat for pen use, same battery, same screen, same RAM and SSD options. As far as I can tell it's really down to non-essentials like the zenbook being slightly thinner and slightly lighter, has the fancy ceramics on the front, RGB keyboard backlighting instead of single colour, and better speakers.
I agree the Vivobook is a good alternative with a lot more key travel 1.7mm and a 90W AC adapter to support higher TDP. It is obviously much less sexy and loses the top notch speakers. Its cooling isn't necessarily though better so it will buy the higher TDP with fan noise. I'm also not sure if it comes with touch and pen support. TBH I didn't enjoy the keyboard when I tried it out (8845HS version but should be otherwise identical) at the store. But yes, all should consider it. Obviously people were reviewing the Zenbook because that's what ASUS sent to them.
Lenovo at least ties a lot of bios and firmware updates into their laptop update software. I was surprised to see it happen on my parents' L15 gen 3. (saw it for bios and SSD firmware)
Yeah, Lenovo Bridge is one of the least obtrusive, but perfectly working, pieces of OEM update software I've ever worked with. Unlike Asus Amory Crate, which infuriates me.
57:44 Pat is a pathetic lliar with big ego. Once he said he could do 5 nodes in 5 years (one node per year). Then he said AMD was in the rear mirror. Intel culture from top to bottom is so FU. It is going to be another Boeing. Pat is going to crash and burn with Intel.
just let intel do, as a still working 14900k user, if they just try to slip past this without compensation or recall, let them be another Boeing, when this breaks, it will be a few gen at least no matter how good in performance or C/P, I won't get anything intel, and you know, at least consumers will spread to forums and friends, once you lost the market share where intel stability used to keep dominance even if they underperform, good luck to ever come back
@@MooresLawIsDead After months and months of discounting, AMD sustains heavy damage immediately trying to milk early adopters with pricing. Same reason why despite that Zen 4 still fell directly on its face at launch.
@@MooresLawIsDead and we’ll see around launch but my hopes are not high given AMD’s track record and now obfuscation of pricing information. It’s my guess they try to milk everyone again then turn around and slowly cut prices. The 6 core will be my gauge, and if it still offers bad value AMD is not serious about price competition they want to be Nvidia in CPU.
XTX Nitro +, 3GHz out of the box on two of the cards I've used now (where they wanted RNDA3 to be - it flies!), quiet, high quality. Hard to say the same for the 4090s and various issues I see them being repaired with.
I’m looking forward to seeing Strix-Point in Mini PCs in a year or 2 with higher power limits. I could do without any significant ai support, the only feature I plan to use that works better on NPUs is backgrounds in video chat at work. Honestly, give me less than 40 tops so that Microsoft doesn’t even try to enable “copilot+”
They actually expected 14th gen to be completely different silicon and the marketing department pushed hard on Alderlake re-re-refresh to have ANYTHING to launch against 7000 series AMD 3DV. Marketing sat down with everyone and they pretty much crossed their fingers that 15th gen, whatever it was going to be, would release before I9’s started croaking. They knew it was happening and on the back end they even started loosening binning specs to meet demand. They knew it was going to happen, the timing just isn’t working in their favor. They got practice with this type of behavior during 11th gen when they were working on thinning the substrate and the percentage of failure was climbing ever so higher. They lucked out and Alderlake released just in the nick of time. There is absolutely documentation to prove all of this about to leak. Have a nice day.
PSVR2 has OLED displays 2k*2k per eye resolution, eye tracking, foveated rendering etc very cutting edge specs for a 400€/$ VR headset. I'm looking to get one to replace my HP Reverb G2, once the PC adapter is out.
Regarding increasihg Strix wattage to 54w, Im wondering if the Zen 5c cores would respond to that much at all. They are still limited in their clocks somewhat. So the 4 full-fat cores MAY be able to voost higher, which may result in better turbo speeds, but even those may be reaching their limits as is. The ROI may not guve much, so 28w is kind of a sweet spot. Still, thin chassis putting out premium 45+watt specs, nice.
WTF dudes? It's not AMD releasing these laptops, it's the companies that make laptops. If these makers want to put out a 28W part first that's THEIR business, not AMD's. It would be INSANE to think that something like the 370 isn't going to scale up when shoving in more power. It's on TSMC N4P. It's GOING to scale up. 28W is pretty impressive.
it doesn't matter, people need to understand this. AMD is making customs and making segmented chips. NO MORE GENERAL USE! STRIX HALO is for gaming period, end of story. STRIX POINT HAS ONLY 4 "P" CORES!
Uh, AMD has a whole lot of say in what goes into the review cycle. You don't buy advanced CPUs like you buy groceries. It comes with contracts and agreements. Asus apparently got an exclusive on the being the review sample provider. But you can be absolutely sure that AMD chose which specific model it would be.
People, stop bit-shing bout power consumption (AMD) , people really like crushing power rather saving it... AMD needs to compete power to power draw... then we'll see what's really AMD r cooking 💪
I think that AMD pretty much HAD to launch Strix now because Back to School says are starting up nationwide THIS WEEK. Honestly, if the biggest issues with Strix as of right now are driver related then it actually seems like a decent way to go as AMD has shown that they WILL improve their drivers over time so if it gets the job done now and it will likely do even better in the future. With that being said, I've not personally bought a laptop in over a decade now as I really have no use for them with the advent of tablets for general quick use like browsing and media consumption but I'm always happy to see better performance come to lower wattages as I am an avid fan of gaming handhelds and if Strix point is already able to do this much then I can't WAIT to see what Strix Halo brings to the table followed up by RDNA4 in full. We'll likely see a new Steam Deck introduced some time after RDNA 4 is a think and launches all of it's models and that could turn out to be an amazingly efficient handheld build on TSMCs current 3nm process with all of RDNA4's advancements. I'm holding out hope that AMD introduces their own ML tech with RDNA4 ala what Sony is doing with PSSR that can be leveraged by all the various handheld systems that will likely be refreshed with RDNA4.
Dell has replaceable RAM on the Inspiron 14 R5 i7445-5333BLU-PUS which is a 2024 model. However beside that its really only gaming laptops that are somewhat consistent with RAM upgradeability.
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Quick question: Which country is actually assembling the majority of tech components? Is it mostly based on industries in China? Because lately, Amazon has been selling a lot of low-quality products
I have a question about "Bartlett Lake", I have not heard of any conspiracy theories and rumours, only the content you have put out. However looking at the layout diagrams and the interesting and new layout of the P and E cores, it appears to have an entirely different Bus layout and could very well not have these problems also because it is a whole new Bus layout / design. "if" Intel cannot fix this problem then Bartlett Lake may have to be the solution. And as for this thing about Bartlett Lake being for Networking, high speed stockbroking etc, that would also suggest that the Bus works well at high frequencies and low latencies which also backs up my point about Bartlett Lake having a different Bus.
Intel: our microcode is destroying these chips, we will update it in august. Also Intel: keep selling them without the microcode update
Intel day 2 after microcode release: Your busted chip was run on a board without the updated microcode. RMA denied.
Probably
I can't believe how many gamers are still saying 8 gigabytes of RAM is good enough, they eventually will be just stuck high and dry with their piddly 8 gigabytes.
Agreed, 16 Gigs is the bare minimum nowadays. 24-32 Gigs minimum to keep up for the next couple of years. A wise guy once said your Ram should roughly have twice as much GB as your Video card.
@@AOTanoos22Cyberpunk 2077 path tracing turned the RTX4090 into a 1080p card and barely stays around 7GBs of VRAM.
8GB of RAM was dead for me by 2020, it was a pain in the butt, so when I finally got another 16GB in 2021 and OCed it to 3200 from 2666, holy shite balls did I ever see a 40% improvement in speed and snappiness. The same thing when I finally went from quadcore 1400 to a hexacore 5600X in 2022 and again when I finally ditched the ol HDD and got an SSD in 2023. I realize now you were talking about _VRAM_ but failed to mention the 'V' part but its about the same situation anyways, I went from 4GB VRAM to 12GB VRAM in 2023 and its obvious 8GB VRAM wasnt enough already in 2021 let alone 2023.
I bet a lot of them are still running 1080p.
I got a 6gb 2060 and I'm not complaining.... yet.
Regarding Intel not getting back their reputation, I don't think people who are closely following this realize how little awareness there is outside of the PC hardware enthusiast community. I discussed this with two people who work in the tech industry, neither of whom had even heard of it. One of them actually worked for Intel years ago, and the other is an avid gamer who built a gaming rig last year using one of the affected CPUs, but has experienced no problems so far.
I think a lot of people here who are commenting, should realize how small of the pool we really are, I highly doubt Intel is gonna take a "severe reputation damage" that people are claiming, like right now currently it seems like a big deal, then it's just like 6m to 1 year later that this will just be covered up again by other events and just forgotten about, like those AMD mishaps with Zen 4.
like for ex. if you google like Intel news or whatever and go to the websites, its just like enthusiast people who comment on those tech websites, and that's a extremely small sample compared to customers worldwide, especially when they are mostly English language websites; This currently doesn't really impact Intel to any significant degree. If it was significant it would be all over the news and media and would be the headline of many outlets worldwide.
also the fact that no one really pays attention to the news either... says basically everything. (Biden for example on CNN barely gets views, but Trump does.) sorry for the politics, just needed to give a clear example.
Those two people who work in the tech industry should be fired.
That just means Intel is doing a good job at trying to hide their issues. It's up to the media and users to expose them by telling people.
Enthusiast don't have these problems that's the first thing these Techtubers aren't real Enthusiast everyone knows heat kills not voltage and the fact people never cooled these chips properly tells you the story anyone who isn't thermal throttling will never have this issue yet people want to blame intel.
The blame is with the end user not taking the proper steps to cool and tune such a product it's not meant for just anyone.
@@airborn009 Uhh what do you think is going to happen when Dell and HP start getting dinged with huge numbers of RMAs? It WILL hit news wire, Forbes, Associated Press, etc and then the excrement will hit the bladed cooling device, these channels are just the canaries in the coal mine 🐦
I'm not a fan of the red border in the thumbnail. It makes me think I may have already watched the video.
Same
Agreed
YES I hate it
You gotta skip red on the bottom, just do the other three sides
A 64 bit card, being called XX50 or x500XT and not XX30 just infuriates me, almost as much as a 128 bit card being called a 4060TI and not a 4050TI, or a 192 bit card being called a 12GB 4080, not a 4060TI
They are finding new ways to rip off consumers who don’t even realize there is a significant difference aside from the price between all these graphics cards.
@@denvera1g1 Intel Battlemage will demolish that part of the market. The A750 is very impressive.
@@saricubra2867 Actually MLID says Battlemage is dead as is ARC, he wasn't able to find a single board partner who even knew about BM much less is building any cards so according to his sources Battlemage will be only a discrete chip for laptops and Celestial will be the IGP for a few Intel CPUs so they can say it has launched and then stick a fork, ARC is done. They simply cannot afford with the 13th and 14th gen disaster hanging over their heads to blow hundreds of millions trying to compete with discrete GPUs, not when sources say they are losing money on every GPU sold below the 770.
@@TheHangarHobbit "MLID says Battlemage is dead as is ARC, he wasn't able to find a single board partner who even knew about BM much less is building any cards so according to his sources Battlemage will be only a discrete chip for laptops and Celestial will be the IGP for a few Intel CPUs"
He said like years ago that ARC was cancelled and now is in development.
I think he should check his sources again.
Kinda hypocritical complaining about NVIDIA meanwhile Intel are the only ones that can fix that part of the GPU market.
@@saricubra2867 If only it could make it to production.
You’ve got to remember Strix is aimed primarily at the thin and light laptops segment, not +50W gaming slabs with +60W GPUs. The concept is: more than enough CPU power for almost every regular task - productivity, lower end video editing, coding and gaming etc, on battery not mains power, as well as staying cool, quiet and with all day battery life. Very few x86 laptops have really been able to deliver that until now. Also note, the highest effective TDP output seen on a Zen 5 laptop so far is 53W - in a 13” 2-in-1 with a 4050 and an OLED touch screen!!! 🤯 And reviewers are saying it doesn’t throttle or get uncomfortably hot! 😮 That’s pretty amazing.
But the cheapest one out is like $1700 for the10 core 365.
@@timmyjohns222 it’s the first week. By the time Lunar Lake laptops start hitting the shelves in a couple of months, prices will get a lot more friendly, especially in the US. Here in the UK not so much, sadly.😏
@@timmyjohns222 it's $1300 lmao WHERE is it 1700 for the cheapest version? the 970 version is 1699...
"productivity, lower end video editing, coding and gaming"
Actually for video editing any professional could use this. It's not just lower end video editing.
Now, if you want to RENDER what you've done that's a different story, but with 24 threads and the power of Zen 5 cores I would imagine that's getting you close to desktop Zen 3 12c/24t, maybe even better, so it's only professionals working on workstations that wouldn't use this.
With what I saw Gordon test that laptop will get through any desktop workload though with a time hit for more demanding and heavily threaded apps vs. desktop.
@@johndoh5182 I suspect suspect you’re right but I wanted to err on the side of caution. Way too much overselling going on from the mfrs already. 😀
Intel is not handling this properly. I would be surprised if this doesn't end up in the hands of the FTC.
It's just funny to me that anyone over the last 5 years has defended Intel. They have been on a downward spiral and have not been able to turn it around. Then you throw on this whole debacle and it isn't looking good for Intel
Nah, check the warranty period. Same as vehicles if your vehicle breaks down after 3 years it’s on you. Same with anything else ever
They haven't been rejecting RMAs AFAIK. _That's_ when it's time for government intervention. The FTC would have nothing to do with it unless Intel was found to be lying to investors. The consumers would require a class action like happened to AMD with FX.
@@JasonWilliams-lt2ql Maybe in the US, but in other countries and economic blocs around the world, the warranty limit doesn't really matter, particularly for design defects. Refunds are likely to be required, whether Intel is happy or not. And then, are those in the US going to be happy to be treated worse?
They are just waiting to do a stock buyback before they ‘voluntarily’ recall.
With the developers warning about Intel CPUs, I wonder how long it takes until EA says it's Intel's fault that Jedi Survivor crashes when you take screenshots and generally crashes like 3 to 4 times an hour.
Dunno, never crashed on a 5800x3d for me
It, uhhh, doesn't crash 3-4 times an hour on my 7950X3D at stock settings with 6000CL30 memory. It crashed a few times on me in the weeks after launch, but I don't even remember when it crashed last. I'm on my laptop now, so I can't take a screenshot and test that without getting off my ass, which is not happening - burp - sorry. Anyhow: If it is crashing 3-4 times an hour for Intel users... then it's Intel's fault.
Running fine on Ryzen isn't the point
The point is they'll fob complaints off at first instance with "update your bios" whether Intel or not
@@andersjjensen Well, it often crashes with unexpected behaviour, for example taking a screenshot. But now, I am not sure, are those reported crashes system crashes or only game crashes?
@@imperatorpalpatine3978 whole system
Patiently waiting for the PS5 Pro. I don't have a PS5, and having the "best" console for GTA VI sounds lovely.
Edit: And Spider-Man 2, God of War & Ragnarok. Haven't played those yet!
Why not the ps6?
@@attepatte8485 If GTAVI gets delayed to the 6, sure
@@ReveriePassGTA VI might launch in 2025. So you will buy the PS5 Pro anyway bc PSSR would enable 4K 60 fps to make twerking sugar babies visually stunning!😂😂😂
idk what that's supposed to mean
@@attepatte8485 and wait 3 years to play GTA VI? 🤣
I’m waiting for the Lawsuits
I think VR is in a tricky place.
It's niche and expensive, so there's not a lot of money to make, so it's slow development from both hardware and software. Most games are fun but shallow, all that keeps it niche and expensive.
The last few years making a push in the tech was nice though.
used Quest 2's are brilliant and are like $200. it's extremely cheap to get into. and if you want to play PCVR, you can get a decent USB 3.2 cable for $20 with that $200 Q2, and just about any reasonably capable PC from the last three or four GPU generations will run pretty much everything. it's really not that expensive
VR will take off once the graphics and "immersion" improve. Because let's be honest, right now it feels like you have a monitor plastered to your face.
@@henrythegreatamerican8136That's false, it's already good enough hardware wise it's just software lacking, we are at the breaking point currently which is Quest 3, it's getting Vision Pro UI now to make it a solid XR device.
All VR need is for games to port into VR easily, which means just like you have Ray Tracing, games need to have VR option, so when games like Cyberpunk or Battlefield or others have VR mode then players will get to try it, and from VR experience I can say Racing Sims kicked off because Racing Sims players tried VR with Assetto Corsa and GT7.
The games to have VR mode is not hard nowadays due to Unreal Engine 5 and above tech, UEVR is an example
it's going to take breakthroughs from indie devs so the triple A billion dollar companies can run. Mikoverse is definitely going to help VR in the long run.
VR is hardly expensive, but it absolutely has a problem with a dearth of shit quality "games" that are really just glorified demos. For every HL:Alyx, Beatsaber, Walkaround Mini Golf, or Arizona Sunshine, there's dozens of low effort cash grabs that you can tell are essentially phone quality games trying to make a quick buck.
The thing is there's a TON of installed base headsets, but it's all partitioned between SteamVR/PCVR/WMR and Metaface's Quest. Microsoft and Steam plays nice with Meta, but Meta are dicks that won't openly support PCVR headsets because they want to play the exclusivity bullshit like Sony. Which makes no sense whatsoever because they don't make money on hardware, it's all on software. If they'd fully support other headsets there's several games I'd buy off Metaface.
Basically what I got from reviews of Ryzen AI was:
needs better laptops with possibly better cooling, if TDP is to be increased.
needs so-dimm (or similar) memory support. I was thinking of buying framework Laptop, but I would love to buy more memory later.
Fast LPDDR5 CAMM2 modules instead of soldered RAM would be awesome, but we'll have to wait a while for OEMs and memory manufacturers to start adapting the new standard.
TDP won't increase. It's a 4 P core chip it is NOT meant for performance even the GPU. It's totally designed for thin laptops and for long battery life. Strix Halo is designed to "game gud". There is NO MORE general use AMD SoC going forward.
@@JoeL-xk6bo They release models from 15-54W. I'm talking of having appropriate cooling for appropriate TDP. Several reviews pointed out that for 28TDP the cooling isn't appropriate. So I hope that for 54W it will be appropriate.
Bartlett rake = Alder Lake Refresh Refresh Refresh
10nm+++++*
= Alder Lake Degraded Degraded Degraded
Alder Lake un-overvolted
nobody liked me saying Intel cpus were frying 1 year ago noooo took 1.5 years to have them talking about "instability issues" which again were not, my cpu tower(s) are at head height I smelled mine burn they're still running if you don't mind constant bluescreens being unable to run 4 sticks even in ddr4 and here's a useful tip to know if yours is on it's way out, it will be unable to run cinebenchr23 without crashing, if even on stock settings with low ddr speeds CR23 crashes your cpu is already gone, just a zombie stumbling around, for that reason and many others I stopped following hardware tech channels, they have the same problem video game journalism had they do not DARE say the truth until it's already out in fear of their access being cut, I'm dragging my 13900k until I have time to rebuild my liquid cooled PC and then I'm going AMD probably forever
1.5 year ago your accusations were based on what? Exactly dood
_"nobody liked me saying Intel cpus were frying 1 year ago"_ What, exactly, were you doing that caused your Intel CPUs to "burn"? Were you running endless, pointless, benchmarks with a stock air cooler? Typical day to day tasks and gaming will hardly make the fan on an OEM Intel air cooler spin more than an idle speed.
Evidence first. And even if you give yours, it would be anecdotal. Seems like you hated them already or because of your specific experience.
made up story for clout. what a fucking stupid one, too
Can you link your video where you spoke about this issue? I’d like to see it. Thanks dude! 💪🏽
Perf/watt on AMD seems to actually be very close to Apple and Qualcomm in heavy MT CPU tasks and heavy GPU tasks.
But AMD and Intel need to optimize their idle/light load power consumption. Qualcomm and Apple SoCs have been designed for always on devices lasting for days (network active for notifications and calls). They have 15 year experience on this. It’s not just about CPU cores. SoC uncore is likely more efficient in these phone->laptop SoCs. It’s an area where AMD and Intel need to improve.
These 12+ hour battery tests are dominated by idle/light load and this is where Qualcomm/Apple still has advantage. But this doesn’t mean that AMDs CPU or GPU cores have bad perf/watt. Those are mostly idling in these battery tests.
The needed to launch now because of the back to school cycle/season.
The Irony of Broken Silicon literally talking about broken silicon is not lost on me 😂😂
Intel's latest microcode already lowered multicore speed by around 7% in CB r23 (while comparing first microcode to latest microcode) as tested by Buildzoid from Actually Hardcore Overclocking. If this new microcode lowers single core by around the same amount...
Intel fucked themselves, hard.
Im standing here . Waiting to drop 450 euro on a 9800x3d and mother board the moment my 13700kf dies.
Or hope i can get a replacement at least.
Intel of f u q e d
@@snakeinabox7220 Find a big 7zip file and write a bat file that extracts it over and over and over again. When the CPU breaks, demand a refund from the retail shop. Not Intel.
@@andersjjensen im in macedonia .
Not the most ... reputable shops .
@@snakeinabox7220 Oh... Yeah, you better start looking at exit strategies. If you can manage to save up for an AM5 system and pitch your current setup on Facebook Market place (or whatever) before the shit hits the fan that would probably be ideal.
I got a microcode update for my x99 i7 6850k in windows update to fix spectre/meltdown since gigabyte didnt have bios updates.
This update disabled all overclocking and ignored alll bios voltage settings bios until i figured out how to block the update, which required changing permission on the microcode file so windows cant open it.
Just turned computer one one day and it was 30% slower.
Intel not doing a recall won't fix damage done to their reputation either.
Do they really care? IF you look at the numbers, intel still owns 75% of the market and sells 4 times more cpus than AMD. You think 50% of intel customers are gonna switch to AMD? I doubt it
@@lolmao500 I'd say wait n see. Bigger fish than them have fallen due to thinking thry were Too big to worry
I have a 12700 with no trouble at all. But my next build will be AMD. No matter what
@@pedro.alcatra and this is Exactly what I have been saying. I'm Not just talking about us single users, I mean the big corporations. Will they be willing to contine with Intel after this horrendous lack of communication and lies?
The smart thing to do if you had an affected Intel CPU for more than a week is to degrade it on purpose and get a new one or a refund, because it's already damaged, even if it's not unstable yet, and using the microcode update isn't going to restore it.
Yup. 7zip decompression seems to be exceptionally hard on them, so just compress your, uhm, you know what folder I'm talking about, and make a bat file that extracts the file over and over and over until the CPU barfs.
@@andersjjensen Apparently running Minecraft servers is also exceptionally hard on Raptor Lake, not as generalizable as 7Zip decompression though.
I wonder if there are certain BOINC and Folding at Home projects that absolutely wreck Raptor Lake
@@tomhsia4354 Folding at Home uses SSE/AVX which is not the main culprit. The main culprit SEEMS to be memory I/O heavy integer workloads, as that causes the CPU to boost to max while stressing the ring bus with a ton of data.
Tom blessed us, the regular suscribers with Broken Silicon on monday 🎉
Im stick with my 7700x wait for the 9000x3d's to come out
I have a 13900KS with the first 3 cores humming along above 6 Ghz. After the latest ASUS BIOS update I lost 11 percent performance and those three cores are no longer at 6 Ghz or higher. Cores 4 and 5 are now 6 Ghz only. Clever. Shift the boost to other cores in case the original ones have been degraded. Anyone have a similar story? To hell with Intel. Next build will be AMD.
Maybe you had multicore enhancement on by default, means you were running the 13900KS with an unsafe overclock.
This is lawsuit material, they got away with the 8700K cheating on benchmarks with multicore enhancement on.
@@saricubra2867 Yeah, why would they even want it to be the default? And in my BIOS it said something as confusing as 'enable to disable.' Until I figured it out, it made me think it was off by default when it said 'default. But you have to choose 'enable' to disable it.
“Dan like MicroCenter?”
“Dan like MicroCenter.”
Dan like like Microcenter?
@@NersiusI like MicroCenter
The problem with soldered RAM is not just that it is not up-gradable/replaceable. Manufactures love to overcharge you by ridiculous amounts.
Monsuns don’t fuck up hvac systems the extreme Arizona heat and dogshit maintenance fucks up hvac system
HVAC systems in micro chip fabs are an entirely different breed of animal than what you're used to, and they are a significant part of both the expense and running cost of a fab, so their capacity and filter stacks are closely matched to their expected operating environment.
I'm not saying that it wasn't dog shit maintenance that prevented them from finding out that the system took water in where water shouldn't go. What I'm saying is that a system that was never designed for rain Denmark considers "a bit wetter than usual" (say, 200mm in 45 minutes) is going to ingest a whole lot while having no where near enough drainage capacity.
What about camm ram modules???
Ye I can't play TotK on the Switch itself either, need a beefy PC to get that locked 60FPS
If Intel doesn't continue to make LGA 1700 I could see a multi-billion dollar class action ahead, because it is becoming obvious that ALL of the 13th and 14th gen CPUs are going to die prematurely and with only a single generation functional on that socket all those that bought 1700 for the 13th and 14th gen is going to have a slam dunk no effort lawsuit. So whether on 10nm or another node they are going to have to make something they can use to RMA all those dying chips.
Holding on 3 raptor lake i9 simulation machine personally, switching back to AMD, F intel for the rest of my life
what if AMD also shits you switch back to intel? 😅 just curious
Duopoly cartel at work. You don't have to be good, you just have to be less shit than the only other shitty option
Also, How can there be Intel shortages, if No-one in their right minds would be buying Intel in the near future?
Shitty yields. If half your silicon is being produced just to be either put into a low bin for which there isn't a lot of demand or scrapped because it's broken, your capacity suddenly seems awfully low even with declining demand.
@@hammerth1421 Who, is going to want to buy Intel after this?
Because there are still a lot of youtubers being paid to make Intel look good, they are still telling people to build with Intel CPUs, telling that all of this problems with Intel it's just a easy microcode fix.
@@webtiger1974PTG luckily for me I only watch videos that contain at least some elements of truth
@@LDWilliams All the people who don't pay attention to tech news. Which is pretty much everyone.
becoming more confident with my 7800x3d every day
Brilliant podcast name Tom . ... sums up what we've been experiencing the last few years. Broken silicon!!!!!
If it makes you feel any better, there is a dutch standardized accent called "ABN", which is what is taught in schools, which stands for "Generally Civilized Dutch", and nobody in this country speaks it aside from maybe the king (maybe not even he does perfectly), in fact there's like 2 or 3 different official languages aside from dutch within a 200/300km radius with a myriad of different accents and pronunciations, so you can pronounce it however you want nobody blames you
But yea Dutch officially stems from old dutch (hollands), which stems from low-franconian in the southwestern parts (around holland, which is not the same as netherlands as a whole), then there's the low-saxon parts of it (which is the majority) that has the language stem from well, low saxon, which was more spread across what is today mostly germany (though german is based more on "high german"), and then there's frysian which is related to old english, you mix and mash all of that together in a small country and you get a bastardized form, which is today's Dutch, so yea you're kinda correct.
There's also flemish in belgium which flows over into southern netherlands, but I don't know if that falls under low-franconian also, probably does, there's some distant nordic influences also from old-saxon, which is the basis of both frysian and low-saxon, it's a mix-mash of pretty much everything
Remember the news about Intel accidentally finding a fossil / skeleton while digging for construction ?
It's probably made for them
If game devs move over to AMD processors will there be an unexpected performance increase for AMD cpus down the road as these devices will get more optimizations because of the primary device position in the dev life cycle.
Heard "midjourney" come out of Tom's mouth:
Oh no, you're one of them 😂
Love the videos! Hope AMD comes out with good things and improves FSR 3.1
Love to see 3.1 in games other than ps5 games
They just announce fluid motion frames 2! It looks really cool
@@bryo4321 yeah, I tried it. I still get some stuttering and I hope they refine it even more. If they make AFMF and FSR 3.1 both better in a few more revisions, it will be great.
18:42 I have a 7840U that goes to 45W in Furmark because Lenovo decided that the U nomenclature means "thin"... and it's sorta thin for a Thinkpad... but it can also spin the fans like a jet engine, so 45W it is!!
1:01:30 Not a problem at all. Windows (and Linux and MacOS) has an avenue via the kernel to load updated CPU microcode at boot time. You got Spectre and Meltdown microcode updates via Windows Update too, remember?
I want that recall. My cpu needs 30% more watts to hold specs on y-crucher and surely that is not ok,
At 1hr 32sec: Wendell actually said to lower the memory clocks to 3600 will have the biggest impact and limiting the multiplier to 53-54 will have the second largest impact in help prevent Intel chip failures (as of today). @MooresLawIsDead
I did some statistical analysis of weather near Chandler AZ (which isn't helpful when sensor stops working for 1 damn day, unless it is normal in Arizona that temperature during the day is 104F and in the night 0F). I had to vet some of the results and use other locations (not that far away thankfully), but there seemed to be a period of much higher than usual humidity in late February and throughout most of March 2023, which while it can be explained by drop in temperatures, the drop is too small to explain increase humidity. Number of relatively warm days (and fab gets HVAC not only to cool down the air from outside, but to cool down air inside ( machinery generates a lot of heat), plus it filters stuff, plus it is supposed to keep moisture at good level) with "high" humidity (admittedly this is the biggest flaw of my "research" - I have 0 idea what humidity is acceptable for electronics, but I know personally that my comfort falls badly around 70% and my HVAC system needs more often to be emptied of water around 70-75%) was massive compared to previous year or this year. I hope someone competent can actually analyze the data that is out there.
Agent weather station out here providing the crucial information XD
Semiconductor manufacturing is quite fickle though and something like high humidity that was not fully compensated for by the cleanroom HVAC systems could well have some adverse effects.
@@hammerth1421 The thing that baffles me is that those fabs have sensors for days. Above average humidity should lead to alert at the very least and too much of it - shutdown. The fact it took like 3-4 months is mindblowing.
And unlike weather sensor, fabs have so many redundant ones that it's incomprehensible that "no-one" would notice.
The night is never 0F.
@@prman9984 Which is why I threw that datapoint away. I mean it would have to be a long night to radiate so much heat that you'd be left with air temperature near the ground of 0F.
I received the ProArt 16 yesterday. I got 2900 on geekbench 6 and 15300 multicore open cl 42000 on 890m and 88000 on 4060. You can get amazing battery life if run it on whisper mode about 6 percent per hour still runs at 45 watts so great for most workloads.
15300 seems low for 12 cores if power is unconstrained. Is this performance mode or standard mode?
The bios updates for Intel are crazy atm . I downloaded the latest MSI Bios (came out like 4 days ago ) for my 13600k and with default settings (only thing i enabled was xmp ) the cpu was drawing at most 100w and i lost about 55% PERF!!! in multicore performance .. Tested with cinebench r24 . SCore before was 1290 and after the update about 610 ... I thought , i dont really care about multicore perf as im more of a gamer , lets see if the gaming is affected , so i ran Cod and i was gettin throttled with an rx6800 !!! Holy shit ... Tried Intel extreme settings , same shit ... I was gettin better perf with my old 12400f ..... Only with MSI UNLOCKED settings my cpu was getting the performance i freaking bought... Only thing i did manually was to lower the load line calibration to 2 so the cpu draws like tops a 1,33 voltage ...
Does anyone know why the FE edition of the 4090 has a heavy price increase soo late in the generation?
it's simple, people keep buying them.
@@FrantisekPicifuk stupid people
$2000 for gimped shit-tier models of those notoriously unreliable 500W furnaces... give me a break now!
@@sulphurous2656they aren't notoriously unreliable.
@@sulphurous2656they are however hot and power hungry. It's been as reliable as every other GPU I've purchased. And the founders edition is pretty gimped.. Where does the unreliable come from? The power connector? Had zero issues with that as well.
Chris like microcenter. Got a 4070 ti super the other day for $799. 🤷
Searching for the perfect deal and comparing the benefit of nvidia over the value of AMD just got old after a few months. I finally decided that it was worth it to get the gpu that has no comprimises today is worth it over something $100 cheaper for 10% faster in 6 months.
I think DLSS is pretty hyped and yet it is still underrated. At 4k, quality looks as good as native and balanced looks better than fsr quality so that pretty much nullifies what higher performance you get with an equivalent amd gpu. And then there is the microstutter i had on 6950 xt in half my games.. no that you.
Also, buy AMD!! We need them doing well.
The biggest improvement for visual gaming quality is higher texture resolution. There two way to increase it, the crude force get more VRAM and the smart yet limited improve texture compression. APU may lack in rasterization and ray tracing compare to RAM amount. You'll find it's better only because of texture resolution.
Greetings in Dutch: "groetjes". Easy enough, right? Fun fact, around 10% of the words in English come from Dutch, including among other cookies, yacht, pier and broad (breed).
Dan, Intel not telling the truth is called "gaslighting".
The worst thing about soldered RAM is that you can only get half the RAM as SODIMM as a maximum, or maybe CAMM2 in future.
I put 64GB of RAM in my Elitebook 865 G9. I could even have put in 96GB if I used 48GB sticks.
How many laptops with soldered on RAM can you get with that much RAM? And how much would it cost?
Vote with wallet. Framework computer is the way i'm going. I know limited gpu options, but it's just a better philosophy.
Soldered RAM in laptops is simply stupid implementation........ especially those 8GB or 16GB modules. More e-waste.
@@Knowbody42 you can't, I don't know if the maximum is 48GB or 32GB for LPDDR5X but that's your ceiling at the moment I believe as it's always half of (LP?)DDR5. I suspect that if 48GB LPDDR5X exists it's at a very healthy premium price 🤬
@@APU-iGPU I come from a society with reasonable pro-consumer laws and I wish that they would force manufactures to ship devices with soldered RAM to ship with the current maximum available option as the only RAM option. I think that that's a reasonable compromise, don't ban it, just limit it so that the devices don't artificially become e-waste ahead of time. There's a couple of options now instead of soldering, CAMM2 and SODIMM. CAMM2 has the benefit of higher speeds through LPDDR5X support as well as supporting higher capacities through LPDDR5 and being replaceable and so upgradable. SODIMMs will be there as a stalwart option potentially with CUDIMMs as an option to bump the speeds up in future
Speaking of Lawsuit, aren't they getting one right now for misrepresenting their 2023 foundry profit? Investors called their report "false and misleading"
I just looked up Intel lawsuit to see if there was one right now and I found it.
Reminds me of the talk Tom had about Intel's yearly /quarterly earnings calls having different numbers every time so that every new quarter/year looks better
Yes
NotebookcheckReviews included in his review the AsusProArt Px13 with the ryzen 9 12 cores, he didn't state how much power it consumes but it was significantly faster, i think these new processors scales very good with higher power consumption
Monsoons are NOT rare in Arizona. They happen annually at the end of every summer. Having one early in March was unusual in 2023, but the AC should work and should be checked.
Yeah, I am not from Arizona. However the point stands - Intel was caught off guard, and their HVAC system failed (and no, it still shouldn't have failed).
Hey is it just me or are we missing this episode on Spotify?
Omg you're right! But I think I just fixed it.
Ok good. I thought I was crazy since I got no reply from anyone.
12:25 Is not exactly a soldered RAM requirement but a requirement to use LPDDR memory and until now that’s only been possible with soldered RAM, but now there is an alternative, which already is buyable, LPCAMM2
"If you give it more power it doesn't have enough bandwidth" That's exactly what happens with these RDNA3.5 APUs. The Phawx made a deep dive video about this topic.
Glad i went with 12700k instead
Glad I went 7950x instead.
I’ve been team Intel for almost 30 years but I’m done. Next build will be AMD.
Tom, I am not sure how Windows does it but Linux does constantly push new microcode on boot.
Every boot Linux will check if the CPU has older microcode and then will load it on the CPU.
Surely Windows does this as well, since the speculation bugs needed new microcode and many Bios weren't being touched anymore.
Most of the Strix laptop Reviews have a 16 inch screens which would be a major factor with "random" battery life to other laptops that don't have a 16 inch screen
ooh looking clean cut and spiffy. i have this urge to buy life insurance from you 🙂
Imagine Apple was still using Intel CPUs and had 14th gen CPUs in all their iMacs?
Apple might (when forced to by law) announce privately that there is a "mild issue" with "a small number" of devices. They will also blame it on user error. And ONLY if a class action succeeds 5 years later, will they quietly and begrudgingly compensate people who bought them.
Microcode updates can be sent via Windows updates, but your chip will be running unlocked voltages until Window loads the microcode update. That means that your CPU will potentially die from that exposure if you don't update the firmware (it could even potentially die whilst carrying out the firmware update unless you can update the board without the CPU installed like AMD boards can these days)
It's funny watching stuff two weeks old sometimes and hearing comments like 'i think AMD will price Zen5 cheap so Intel doesn't have to worry about selling anything' --- only for AMD to increase the price $50 and put an X that doesn't belong.
Just a point: The 8700G configured for 65W consumption/TDP actually consumes about 78-81W.
28W is there to make the gap to Halo bigger.
Nah homestly its just Asus trying to make a macbook air ... Others will offer a 54w model in a month or two when the Asus exclusive ends ...
Strix Halo is only going to be in seriously expensive laptops as it as quad channel memory. That requires a lot more layers on the motherboard and twice as many memory chips.
I also tried that AI program and asked for a CPU. It was a mess. None of them looked even close
i must say that the IGPU testing is super weird... some show massive uplift and some show tiny up lift
for example anandtech huge
but Matthew Moniz showed tiny advantage in most games vs the ROG ally
And The Phawx is also already talking about updates coming out right now that already boosting performance by 10%+ in some games. I think it's obvious RDNA 3.5 needs a couple months of optimization, and the CPU probably needs a microcode update to get better utilization.
But in the meantime, it's still the best APU, and thus I think AMD did decide to just get it out ASAP to hit back-to-school.
@@MooresLawIsDead Hardware Canucks show awful GPU performance in gpu limited games ( and a nice up lift in CPU limit once)
at 12:40 he points to a possibility that the CPU gets way too much power and starve the GPU in games (a bit like the ROG ally did at 15W when it come out)
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I wonder if that was the point of Z1 extreme to begin with, different microcode to prioritized GPU...
AMD does two Strix launches because they can.
First 28W MacBook Air like (and better in some ways) laptops, where the message is 'look you don't need to go for Apple anymore and forget XElite'. It's 'the whole laptop' way, not just we have new chip and tons of HW you won't understand etc - here, get a great S16 you've already seen pre-released a month ago, that does what 80% of mainstream users want and does it well enough + great.
And then they'll launch 45w+ options, where the power will be but with a different balance and for different users that should spend more time to understand what they want and will get.
And it will generate another news cycle, new headlines etc.
Why not do it this way, when you win both times and you can control the message/targets?
Exactly!
The ASUS ProArt P16 with cpu running at 54w should have been what was sent to reviewers. It performs so much better.
Right now there is a deal on Newegg for a 7900 gre! Instead of 569.99 it’s literally 569.97 😂😂 terrible!!! 3 cents off
Math is difficult, isn't it.
ermagerd u stupid bro
@@lfsracer79 You've never once made a mathematical mistake in your entire life.
It is a bit strange that the one model everyone chose to review was the 16" zenbook version that is limited to 28W TDP when ASUS also have a 14" and a 16" vivobook model that runs the same CPU at the full 54W TDP.
The zenbook is more expensive but doesn't appear to have many advantages over the cheaper vivobook. In fact, the vivobook has more output ports (one more USB A 3.1), same CPU but with higher TDP instead of limited, can fold fully flat for pen use, same battery, same screen, same RAM and SSD options. As far as I can tell it's really down to non-essentials like the zenbook being slightly thinner and slightly lighter, has the fancy ceramics on the front, RGB keyboard backlighting instead of single colour, and better speakers.
is the vivobook actually available? or still stuck in production waiting for amd to get some cpus together, like always.
I agree the Vivobook is a good alternative with a lot more key travel 1.7mm and a 90W AC adapter to support higher TDP. It is obviously much less sexy and loses the top notch speakers. Its cooling isn't necessarily though better so it will buy the higher TDP with fan noise. I'm also not sure if it comes with touch and pen support. TBH I didn't enjoy the keyboard when I tried it out (8845HS version but should be otherwise identical) at the store. But yes, all should consider it. Obviously people were reviewing the Zenbook because that's what ASUS sent to them.
I'm sure the strix launch is being boosted by intel's anti-marketing
Guys, I've been using 32Gb in 2013 on my gaming laptop. Did wonders for Chrome!
Lenovo at least ties a lot of bios and firmware updates into their laptop update software. I was surprised to see it happen on my parents' L15 gen 3. (saw it for bios and SSD firmware)
Yeah, Lenovo Bridge is one of the least obtrusive, but perfectly working, pieces of OEM update software I've ever worked with. Unlike Asus Amory Crate, which infuriates me.
@@andersjjensen It worked shockingly well. I was impressed. Even swapped in a different SSD (BC711) and it found it.
1:09:02 HE SAID THE THING!!!
57:44 Pat is a pathetic lliar with big ego. Once he said he could do 5 nodes in 5 years (one node per year). Then he said AMD was in the rear mirror.
Intel culture from top to bottom is so FU.
It is going to be another Boeing.
Pat is going to crash and burn with Intel.
quagmire and joe have a tech podcast?
cool!!!!
just let intel do, as a still working 14900k user, if they just try to slip past this without compensation or recall, let them be another Boeing, when this breaks, it will be a few gen at least no matter how good in performance or C/P, I won't get anything intel, and you know, at least consumers will spread to forums and friends, once you lost the market share where intel stability used to keep dominance even if they underperform, good luck to ever come back
Unrelated to any topic. but man, i love your intro
A second micro center in Miami? Will they ever go north of Orlando?
I feel like I should drink every time you claim AMD is gonna do a price war and it never happens.
Dude it's already happened. Look at Zen 4 pricing, and look at Intel's client market share collapsing. It's been going on for about a year now lol.
@@MooresLawIsDead After months and months of discounting, AMD sustains heavy damage immediately trying to milk early adopters with pricing. Same reason why despite that Zen 4 still fell directly on its face at launch.
@@MooresLawIsDead and we’ll see around launch but my hopes are not high given AMD’s track record and now obfuscation of pricing information. It’s my guess they try to milk everyone again then turn around and slowly cut prices. The 6 core will be my gauge, and if it still offers bad value AMD is not serious about price competition they want to be Nvidia in CPU.
@@DreadyBearBoi aye fumbling the pricing is AMD's consistent marketing failure, consistently just a bit more than good
XTX Nitro +, 3GHz out of the box on two of the cards I've used now (where they wanted RNDA3 to be - it flies!), quiet, high quality. Hard to say the same for the 4090s and various issues I see them being repaired with.
I’m looking forward to seeing Strix-Point in Mini PCs in a year or 2 with higher power limits. I could do without any significant ai support, the only feature I plan to use that works better on NPUs is backgrounds in video chat at work. Honestly, give me less than 40 tops so that Microsoft doesn’t even try to enable “copilot+”
I’m your new leaker, and intel KNEW EVERYTHING 🤯
They actually expected 14th gen to be completely different silicon and the marketing department pushed hard on Alderlake re-re-refresh to have ANYTHING to launch against 7000 series AMD 3DV. Marketing sat down with everyone and they pretty much crossed their fingers that 15th gen, whatever it was going to be, would release before I9’s started croaking. They knew it was happening and on the back end they even started loosening binning specs to meet demand. They knew it was going to happen, the timing just isn’t working in their favor.
They got practice with this type of behavior during 11th gen when they were working on thinning the substrate and the percentage of failure was climbing ever so higher. They lucked out and Alderlake released just in the nick of time. There is absolutely documentation to prove all of this about to leak. Have a nice day.
It's time for Pat to fall on the sword and leave Intel. It's not like they have been doing gangbusters since he got there.
PSVR2 has OLED displays 2k*2k per eye resolution, eye tracking, foveated rendering etc very cutting edge specs for a 400€/$ VR headset. I'm looking to get one to replace my HP Reverb G2, once the PC adapter is out.
Regarding increasihg Strix wattage to 54w, Im wondering if the Zen 5c cores would respond to that much at all. They are still limited in their clocks somewhat. So the 4 full-fat cores MAY be able to voost higher, which may result in better turbo speeds, but even those may be reaching their limits as is. The ROI may not guve much, so 28w is kind of a sweet spot. Still, thin chassis putting out premium 45+watt specs, nice.
WTF dudes?
It's not AMD releasing these laptops, it's the companies that make laptops. If these makers want to put out a 28W part first that's THEIR business, not AMD's.
It would be INSANE to think that something like the 370 isn't going to scale up when shoving in more power. It's on TSMC N4P. It's GOING to scale up. 28W is pretty impressive.
it doesn't matter, people need to understand this. AMD is making customs and making segmented chips. NO MORE GENERAL USE! STRIX HALO is for gaming period, end of story. STRIX POINT HAS ONLY 4 "P" CORES!
Uh, AMD has a whole lot of say in what goes into the review cycle. You don't buy advanced CPUs like you buy groceries. It comes with contracts and agreements. Asus apparently got an exclusive on the being the review sample provider. But you can be absolutely sure that AMD chose which specific model it would be.
Could Late July early August be seeing a bump in laptop sales because college freshmen are required to purchase systems?
People, stop bit-shing bout power consumption (AMD) , people really like crushing power rather saving it... AMD needs to compete power to power draw... then we'll see what's really AMD r cooking 💪
Best leaks and discussion!
I think that AMD pretty much HAD to launch Strix now because Back to School says are starting up nationwide THIS WEEK. Honestly, if the biggest issues with Strix as of right now are driver related then it actually seems like a decent way to go as AMD has shown that they WILL improve their drivers over time so if it gets the job done now and it will likely do even better in the future. With that being said, I've not personally bought a laptop in over a decade now as I really have no use for them with the advent of tablets for general quick use like browsing and media consumption but I'm always happy to see better performance come to lower wattages as I am an avid fan of gaming handhelds and if Strix point is already able to do this much then I can't WAIT to see what Strix Halo brings to the table followed up by RDNA4 in full. We'll likely see a new Steam Deck introduced some time after RDNA 4 is a think and launches all of it's models and that could turn out to be an amazingly efficient handheld build on TSMCs current 3nm process with all of RDNA4's advancements. I'm holding out hope that AMD introduces their own ML tech with RDNA4 ala what Sony is doing with PSSR that can be leveraged by all the various handheld systems that will likely be refreshed with RDNA4.
Intel works the best if you tap the shutdown button on your PSU
I would love to see you switch up the intro music on the podcast, it’s time. ;)
Dell has replaceable RAM on the Inspiron 14 R5 i7445-5333BLU-PUS which is a 2024 model. However beside that its really only gaming laptops that are somewhat consistent with RAM upgradeability.
Any reason 268 is still not on Spotify?
if they release the normal HS zen 5 chip with 8 or 12 big zen 5 core ,i will buy it now