Today I used dyes for the first time on a hand built guitar. I’m happy with the results I got, even though I was a bit nervous. Much easier to work with than paints, I might be dying more often.
There is an old theatre trick you can try, if you ever do a similar finish again, to get rid of the yellows in wood. Try adding just the tiniest bit of the washed denim or the royal blue, or a combination thereof to the white. If you look at a color wheel, these blues are exactly the opposite of the yellows and reds that you see in wood (and human skin) and they counteract them, sort of cancel them out Makeup artists for films and television use this to make skin look white for vampires and the like. Also, I believe paper mills use the same or similar method to make paper look brighter. You could probably ask your chemist crew. They probably know the exact color of additive to use to get a desaturating white. By the way, thanks for making the guitar oil and the white stain. The oil is exactly what I've been looking for. Something that does not impart any color to the wood I'm working with. I will be ordering soon.
The white is most definitely extremely subtle, first time through the video I actually didn't see any changes in the wood tone until you applied it more heavily on the back of the guitar where the effect became much more apparent. I rewatched the video paying closer attention to the appearance before and after the white stain was applied and did see the effect you were going for. What I noticed was that what the white stain seems to do, is to soften and fade the wood grain tones (yellows, browns and reds) rather cover them up. I am curious to see how this turns out after its laquered, everything always looks different after its laquered.
Ben , great videos, I have learnt more in a month watching your channel than I have in more than a year of watching other TH-cam luthiers. Plus I've rediscovered the joy of using hand tools. Thank You! Question: Are Stunning Stains penetrative, or do they sit on the surface of the wood? If they are penetrative, are extra steps required to when staining endgrain? I've had problems in the past with dyes on endgrain going 3-4 shades darker than the rest of the body. I've tried various solutions - e.g. wetting the endgrain, sanding to higher grit, but with only limited success.
As to earlier post I did see the purple to blue to white video and the darker colors did take well although I still stand by my statement 320 very max I would go pre sand to stain
+Crimson Custom Guitars well I ordered a bottle of the green dye today for a drum kit I'm customizing right now so we'll see how it turns out! It was between green and amber, lets hope i made the right choice...
7 years ago... Ben I hope you respond. Are there other videos with this guitar? Specifically, the building of the headstock and, more specifically, what tuning machines were used? Are the little holes or divots in the top for inlays or are they related to the tuners in some way?
Would it be possible to use this white stain and just your finishing oil to achieve a typical TV white finish, or would i need some grain sealer between? It would be mahogany body and neck. Also, if i was to try to get a TV yellow, could i just mix the white with some brown?
+Crimson Custom Guitars Now that this guitar is finished, how many "layers" of stain was used in order to get it to look the way that it does? I want to do something similar to this and was wondering how it would turn out. Thanks!
I got the stains and the oil. It wored great. I was trying to do amber plus red but he red dominate too much so its all red now. The oil is interesting. I have several layers on. It still is not shiny though. I am sure I am not doing something right. When I first put it on t is very shiny but then after wiping excess away it is not any more. If I leave on too long it gets blotchy and sticky. I have had to sand it back a few times. Also the spots where I was not able to sand out he previous oil finish keep coming up. I have sanded them back.. Not sure where to go next. Can you do some videos about finishing? I am pretty sure you are using more than jst your oil stains on some of the amazing examples I have seen.
I bought the red and black I gave plans to make something dark happent o a warlock i`m rebuilding. What is the blue-hair person's name? Will she be helping you with some build videos ? You did with that guitar kit build which was fun to see.
Completely unrelated, I've been looking at buying a 14 inch band saw that has 1-1.5HP and such. What throat & rip size should I be looking at? I know cast iron would be more solid and heavier instead of aluminium but yeah. It can get so confusing out there. I have around $1000AUD to spend and just wondering if you had any recommendations?
this reminds me of watching PBS and watching the sewing Channel . Yes I'm a guy and occasionally I did that but with this deal its guitars . Even cooler
hey, can you recommend a very strong wood filler? It has to be strong enough to hold a screw. it is specifically for the machine heads holes. I was thinking in something like UniBond Repair Power Epoxy Wood but I want to be sure that it is going to work. Many thanks.
Great video Ben. Still need to play about with my Crimson stains. Have you ever tried bleaching wood? I bought a Pearl Masterworks drum kit and it was bubinga wood, bleached and then purple over the top. Looks amazing, worth an experiment some time?
Would you guys do a vid on the "Alienburst" finish? Also could you get your chemists to whip up a batch of that green because I can't find that color anywhere!
Still got some grain pattern coming through there mate, forget pissing around with white stain, just slap some Dulux white on there and the jobs a good 'n
ls there any way to turn the volume up on your podcast's. i have my volume up all the way and although this is only a tablet I can bearly hear it .thanks iin advance
I am not an expert but in my experience 400 and 600 grit is way to tight to allow the stain to penetrate the wood properly it depends on how you want to finish the guitar smoothness can be achieved by sanding the finish with the 400 to 600 or really as high as you want to go but it is still my opinion to much surface tension for initial or penetration
has the white stain been discontinued since this was made? Can't find it listed under the finishes in the CG shop and it isn't included in the full set of colours.
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars that's a shame - I thought the effect you achieved when you built up the coats was a thing of real beauty. I bet it would look fantastic on ash. If you happen to find any older stock lying around in a drawer then I'd love to have it - my e-mail address should be in your customer database ;)
hello master, I make an electric guitar myself, tell me what colorless varnish to cover the body and neck? Thank you in advance. I'm from Russia so I can write with mistakes, don't be offended
What -- ya can't drink it? Well, damn, nothing like a nice glass of stain with yer cactus steak .... okay, maybe not. Great vid, Ben! Question: I'm sure you've seen pre-made bodies that have one side, or section, that's noticeably darker than the rest of the body; would applying the white translucent stain help to hide that, a bit? (I've done a lot more gunstocks than guitars, glad to learn about your stains!)
Ian Clarke I thought the difference between the terms "paint" and "dye" is that paint contains "dry pigments" that float in a solution, as in dye the color is dissolved into the solvent. A paint can of course soak into a wood, and it is used also that way. For example when used as a exterior paint primer. You can use regular heavily thinned paint, but it is soaked into the wood and the regular paint goes on the surface. But of course I might be totally wrong, and probably am :D
Meanwhile I just spent some of yesterday applying black Stunning Stain to a very very cheap basswood body. Things I noticed.... 1. Maybe all wood stains are like this but it does have a magical depth and sheen to it, and that's before I've oiled it. 2. It looks purple as it goes on (or at least it did on this particular wood), a bit like blackcurrant. As it dries it blackens up. 3. USE GLOVES. Do not get it on your hands. I don't think it's doing me any harm, but I won't be getting the stains off my fingers before April. 4. I actually think my novelty £70 Xmas Strat kit is going to look pretty good.
Today I used dyes for the first time on a hand built guitar. I’m happy with the results I got, even though I was a bit nervous. Much easier to work with than paints, I might be dying more often.
There is an old theatre trick you can try, if you ever do a similar finish again, to get rid of the yellows in wood. Try adding just the tiniest bit of the washed denim or the royal blue, or a combination thereof to the white. If you look at a color wheel, these blues are exactly the opposite of the yellows and reds that you see in wood (and human skin) and they counteract them, sort of cancel them out Makeup artists for films and television use this to make skin look white for vampires and the like. Also, I believe paper mills use the same or similar method to make paper look brighter. You could probably ask your chemist crew. They probably know the exact color of additive to use to get a desaturating white. By the way, thanks for making the guitar oil and the white stain. The oil is exactly what I've been looking for. Something that does not impart any color to the wood I'm working with. I will be ordering soon.
Is there a part 5 showing the finished product? Would love to see how it looks with lacquer. Thank you for sharing. That stain is awesome.
After seeing the passed few videos with the white stain, it seems like it'd be better used as a base stain to make the other colored stains pop more.
That spalted Beech is absolutely beautiful and I'm digging the monochrome vibe!
That 12-string Ric style headstock is awesome.Wow. I like the unique sharper lines of the horizontal tuner slots.
i bought a purple and blue bottle of stain, the quality is magnificent!
Damn that's a killer guitar, love the cut outs in the head stock, front and back of the body
The white is most definitely extremely subtle, first time through the video I actually didn't see any changes in the wood tone until you applied it more heavily on the back of the guitar where the effect became much more apparent. I rewatched the video paying closer attention to the appearance before and after the white stain was applied and did see the effect you were going for. What I noticed was that what the white stain seems to do, is to soften and fade the wood grain tones (yellows, browns and reds) rather cover them up. I am curious to see how this turns out after its laquered, everything always looks different after its laquered.
That guitar is absolutely stunning... wow. Are there images of the finished product?
Ben , great videos, I have learnt more in a month watching your channel than I have in more than a year of watching other TH-cam luthiers. Plus I've rediscovered the joy of using hand tools. Thank You! Question: Are Stunning Stains penetrative, or do they sit on the surface of the wood? If they are penetrative, are extra steps required to when staining endgrain? I've had problems in the past with dyes on endgrain going 3-4 shades darker than the rest of the body. I've tried various solutions - e.g. wetting the endgrain, sanding to higher grit, but with only limited success.
the white on the top was just kinda like "blah whatever". But my god, that white on the back just EXPLODED. Very cool.
Nice guitar Ben, it would be great to see the final product when finished
What a stunning instrument this is!
This looks nice, very classy. I’m curious if oxalic acid before the stain would tone down the yellows even more.
Thats super cool. I'll be placing an order for my next build.
2:32 "It gets thicker as you go down"
Oh such a wasted opportunity for a "thats what she said!"
Jeff Barber beat me to it!
You've managed to come up with a new headstock design that looks great. Some sort of trophy is in order
As to earlier post I did see the purple to blue to white video and the darker colors did take well although I still stand by my statement 320 very max I would go pre sand to stain
I just got my white stain from you and can't wait to apply it!
A video of the green stain with be great! Or an electric blue or surf green would be awesome ;)
+Zach Pygall I'm planning on doing more videos using these stains, as guitars come through we will be sure to film the process. Thanks for watching!
+Crimson Custom Guitars well I ordered a bottle of the green dye today for a drum kit I'm customizing right now so we'll see how it turns out! It was between green and amber, lets hope i made the right choice...
did somebody stain the whole video white? This one looks a bit washed out?
Thought I was struggling staining my guitar but seems I'm doing it right all along, going over it again and again, Stain, sand , rinse and repeat
7 years ago... Ben I hope you respond. Are there other videos with this guitar? Specifically, the building of the headstock and, more specifically, what tuning machines were used? Are the little holes or divots in the top for inlays or are they related to the tuners in some way?
Would it be possible to use this white stain and just your finishing oil to achieve a typical TV white finish, or would i need some grain sealer between? It would be mahogany body and neck. Also, if i was to try to get a TV yellow, could i just mix the white with some brown?
Would like to see you do a lemon burst on a flamed maple top see if the flame would stand out!!
Mirka stuff: Mirlon Total :)
Really really like this white stain, always wondered how one would work.
-T
I know it's subtle, but perhaps a different version that has a higher concentration of pigment?
Layer it.
I would really like to see how this guitar looked when completed!!!!!!!
I was cringing until you just poured it on. Great work ;D
+Crimson Custom Guitars Now that this guitar is finished, how many "layers" of stain was used in order to get it to look the way that it does? I want to do something similar to this and was wondering how it would turn out. Thanks!
Can I use a grain sealer before this product? I got these stains in the mail this week. My ash body has wide open grain
does it work if you raised the grain with black dye and sand it off, and then use the white stain to whiten the wood?
I got the stains and the oil. It wored great. I was trying to do amber plus red but he red dominate too much so its all red now. The oil is interesting. I have several layers on. It still is not shiny though. I am sure I am not doing something right. When I first put it on t is very shiny but then after wiping excess away it is not any more. If I leave on too long it gets blotchy and sticky. I have had to sand it back a few times. Also the spots where I was not able to sand out he previous oil finish keep coming up. I have sanded them back.. Not sure where to go next. Can you do some videos about finishing? I am pretty sure you are using more than jst your oil stains on some of the amazing examples I have seen.
I bought the red and black I gave plans to make something dark happent o a warlock i`m rebuilding. What is the blue-hair person's name? Will she be helping you with some build videos ? You did with that guitar kit build which was fun to see.
Completely unrelated, I've been looking at buying a 14 inch band saw that has 1-1.5HP and such. What throat & rip size should I be looking at? I know cast iron would be more solid and heavier instead of aluminium but yeah. It can get so confusing out there. I have around $1000AUD to spend and just wondering if you had any recommendations?
this reminds me of watching PBS and watching the sewing Channel . Yes I'm a guy and occasionally I did that but with this deal its guitars . Even cooler
looking everywhere for a good white stain for a "white burst" top, any idea when your going to be getting a white in your lineup?
hey, can you recommend a very strong wood filler? It has to be strong enough to hold a screw. it is specifically for the machine heads holes. I was thinking in something like UniBond Repair Power Epoxy Wood but I want to be sure that it is going to work. Many thanks.
If the client was looking for a purely white top why not go for something like Holly as opposed to maple? To let the grain through?
I would like to put white over the Saphire, Ruby, and gold wood filler. Get a type of pearl effect?
Would like to hear feed back to see if I am alone in this opinion or if the stains from crimson is a better penetrating stain than I have used
Beautiful instrument
How well do your shapton stones hold up so far? Is any wear visible?
Great video Ben. Still need to play about with my Crimson stains. Have you ever tried bleaching wood? I bought a Pearl Masterworks drum kit and it was bubinga wood, bleached and then purple over the top. Looks amazing, worth an experiment some time?
+Wilson Phillips
Thanks for the reply. Interesting, thats annoying as the spalting looks amazing! Thanks!
Would you guys do a vid on the "Alienburst" finish? Also could you get your chemists to whip up a batch of that green because I can't find that color anywhere!
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thank you looks great Ben
Mmm beautiful work!
Still got some grain pattern coming through there mate, forget pissing around with white stain, just slap some Dulux white on there and the jobs a good 'n
How can I ordering? I can't find it on the site.
Nice headstock. Is this a kit?
Did you use the finishing oil with the white stain?
i take a shot of the blue stuff everytime you mention not drinking it
Would the white stain work good on a darker mahogany body?
Could this be used to get a Mary Kaye-type finish on an ash strat body?
What happens if the first coats are white instead of black for that base you use before the final colors?
Man I would love to build this style
That headstock though 😍
Love to see something like a translucent sonic blue using white and maybe the Faded Blue.... ;-)
If you apply the stain evenly, which it looked like you did, wouldn't the wings and the middle be the same shade as before, only more white?
+kentekent Different woods absorb the stain differently, And it's hard to make something thats white to begin with more wihite.
+Torwulf games I know that, that's not the point.
kentekent
What i mean is the shade difference wont be as large as the whiter wood is less effected by the stain
ls there any way to turn the volume up on your podcast's. i have my volume up all the way and although this is only a tablet I can bearly hear it .thanks iin advance
JustAnother Dummy no
IS this still available? I can't find it on your site.
Does Crimson spray stain or paint? Burst?
I am not an expert but in my experience 400 and 600 grit is way to tight to allow the stain to penetrate the wood properly it depends on how you want to finish the guitar smoothness can be achieved by sanding the finish with the 400 to 600 or really as high as you want to go but it is still my opinion to much surface tension for initial or penetration
has the white stain been discontinued since this was made? Can't find it listed under the finishes in the CG shop and it isn't included in the full set of colours.
Hi Cathal, I'm sorry but it has. Very few people actually used it and we had to discontinue it. B
@@CrimsonCustomGuitars that's a shame - I thought the effect you achieved when you built up the coats was a thing of real beauty. I bet it would look fantastic on ash. If you happen to find any older stock lying around in a drawer then I'd love to have it - my e-mail address should be in your customer database ;)
9:13 Wait, so is it becoming more subtle or less subtle?
Do yall sell your products to the US?
I couldn't see where it did anything.mabe it will show up in the next step or on darker wood.idn
hello master, I make an electric guitar myself, tell me what colorless varnish to cover the body and neck? Thank you in advance. I'm from Russia so I can write with mistakes, don't be offended
Crimson Guitar Water Based Wipe On Finishing Lacquer DC
Emerald green next then yeah?
I dont see the white stain on your website.
looks like you need to add a darker stain then sand it back to bring out the grain then cover with the white
What -- ya can't drink it? Well, damn, nothing like a nice glass of stain with yer cactus steak .... okay, maybe not. Great vid, Ben! Question: I'm sure you've seen pre-made bodies that have one side, or section, that's noticeably darker than the rest of the body; would applying the white translucent stain help to hide that, a bit? (I've done a lot more gunstocks than guitars, glad to learn about your stains!)
I can't find white stunning stsin in your shop
I'm sorry, it has been discontinued temporarily.. we're working on a new formula. B
Did we ever get to see the finished product for this stain?
u should do this on a burnt stained guitar
damn, that guitar is pretty!!!
omg get on with it!!
I wonder how that white would look on bubinga.
No more bubinga now :/
it's called a scotch bright the. 3 m name for it
So that white is basically a thin paint?
+apinakapinastorba to me it looks like it's very similar
+apinakapinastorba
No, paint covers over the wood but stain soaks in and changes the colour of the wood it does not build on the surface.
Ian Clarke I thought the difference between the terms "paint" and "dye" is that paint contains "dry pigments" that float in a solution, as in dye the color is dissolved into the solvent. A paint can of course soak into a wood, and it is used also that way. For example when used as a exterior paint primer. You can use regular heavily thinned paint, but it is soaked into the wood and the regular paint goes on the surface.
But of course I might be totally wrong, and probably am :D
apinakapinastorba
The main difference between paint and dye is that dye needs a protective covering whereas paint doesn't.
Ian Clarke Not true either :) Cars and guitars use for example a poly coat to protect the paint.
I automatically click of the vid if this guy isn’t in the vid.
you can not stain wood lighter than it already is, bleach yes, paint yes, still got a nice effect though, it must be like a thin paint
3 words mr C
camera white balance lol
I think the white dye makes the wood look like stone...............!!
oops that was suppose to say 3M
Imo, that guitar would have been so much nicer natural wood colour :/
It actually got a bit warmer in tone when it was all said and done:
crimsonguitars.com/master-built-12-string-custom/
Spalted Beech. Interesting.
7:47 okay now that is a crumpled piece of tissue...
Translucent....semi-transparent....gentle....subtle......invisible
Meanwhile I just spent some of yesterday applying black Stunning Stain to a very very cheap basswood body.
Things I noticed....
1. Maybe all wood stains are like this but it does have a magical depth and sheen to it, and that's before I've oiled it.
2. It looks purple as it goes on (or at least it did on this particular wood), a bit like blackcurrant. As it dries it blackens up.
3. USE GLOVES. Do not get it on your hands. I don't think it's doing me any harm, but I won't be getting the stains off my fingers before April.
4. I actually think my novelty £70 Xmas Strat kit is going to look pretty good.
water based paint or stain to an old bloke like me is a no no. don't like it never will.
11:20 let the cringe commence