This is by far the best chanel on truth regarding Jonbenet!! The lies and misleading directions, lack of investigating and evil that took place!! Thank you for telling the TRUTH HERE!! RIP Jonbonet.
Agreed! As owner of a detective and forensic agency you cannot jump to any conclusions without thoroughly investigating all things. Police did a horrible job from the jump. First, THEY SHOULD HAVE FOUND THAT BODY. And it just gets worse from there. Tunnel vision.
@@jacquieroper6479 The investigators were told to stand down from higher ups in the p.dept. I truly believe some of LE and the DA himself where involved in this child sex ring, always have!! From day one actually. Steve Thomas was one of few who actually had no idea what was going on. Same with Linda Arnt. Notice how both of them where totally destroyed by actually doing their jobs.
Vicksta. Google Educate yourself santanic rituals JonBenet Ramsey will find out about william morris model agency and Jon benet John and Patsy Ramsey, both Freemasons. They're father's freemasons Ramsay's father. James Dudley Ramsey was ahead of the aeronautics commission. He gave Francis Sheldon permission to build a runway straight to North Fox Island Which was a pedophile ring for boys in the 70s. All private islands all private pilots all pedophiles
Vicksta real worried about nyxkc sketchy details JonBenet I wrote to her several times and never heard back.I hope she's okay for real.She's amazing as well, so is true.Crime rocket science and true crime garage.With the zell brothers right here A lot of great information
@@franceskajacobs2766 Yeah, the only videos that you comment on over & over & for Months, are the ones that spout about incest & child s#xual aspects. Go get Help.
Im from South Colorado and Boulder is a dark place,rumors have always been told of a child pedophile ring in Boulder,and that those involved were protected and involved with their PD..also in Pueblo,many massage therapists have been arrested for their crimes, weird but true they say..in Pueblo in the 80's a pedophile photographer was arrested ,it was so creepy cuz he was our neighbors brother after that we moved to Texas for years...
@@TresaMoreno-VigilTherapist accusations are real deep in SLC Utah as well. Abuse will always be on-going if predators have a cloak of protection from city officials.
Yeah society has allready collapsed you’d have to be in the country or in the woods to be anywhere decent. Nearly all major cities are riddled with corruption.
Born and raised in Boulder. I remember the Slusher case. BIG REASON why I didn't go past Cub Scouts. While in Cub Scouts I went to a troop 77 meeting and I didn't feel at all comfortable there.
Why is it the case that only This little girl is subjected to such despicable story telling about incest, sex rings, Satanic ritual sacrifice & pedos at the garden parties? Hmm. I don't see any of this Garbage at the sites about Any other child murder cases. A national Disgrace for the U.S., actually.
Can you please list all states that have these disgusting history of violence against children and families!! Thank you for the deepest dive and information ever provided on the JBR case and those beforehand and after. It really does make more sense why this case was not handled properly. Judges, lawyers and PD all involved… same as in tye current case of Gilgo Beach murders.
It definitely gave me goosebumps, a few different times during the podcast. I don’t think people would have believed it, if Epstein and Diddy hadn’t happened.
From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public. Two spots of blood were in the big underpants but Never tested.* Steve Thomas was an ex narcotics officer who had No experience with any murder case before, his partner was an auto theft officer & had No experience with a murder case either. Imagine being a parent when you find out That information. Neither of them were at the house on the 26th & only brought in 3 days later because the investigators who Were present at the house & dealt with the case, the family & friends for 3 days, Refused to target the Ramseys. The 2 in command of the BPD had Zero experience with homicide cases, let alone a ransom demand case, which Was the first crime. Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. *The Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood in the big underpants that the Perps had put on the child & the DA finally ordered the blood to be analysed. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being his Saliva, mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public.* The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media to cover the Incompetence of more than one of their officers from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys 'factually innocent' due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. The 93 page document of her findings is online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas & Cina Wong, both Scam artists & both Proven LIARS, in more than one court of Law. Cina Wong was Never a Qualified writing analyst At All as Carnes duly noted & she was outed as being any type of 'expert'. The libel case never went to trial, it was dismissed. Another long held secret by Wong - she had previously sent Patsy an email & stated that she would testify For her, as to Not writing the note. Patsy ignored her, did not reply. Later on to find her version of fame, Wong put out a video for TV which included Fake writing samples as IF Patsy's writing & letter ‘samples’ & as IF from the police files with her whiteboard list of Fake letters still being put up as pages of two columns on Many fooltube shows. People are soo gullible & that's what Both of those a##wipes Relied upon to - Make Money. Both of them Failed, as have Many since. All manner of Con Artists came out of the woodwork trying to find their version of fame & to line their own pockets, off the back of this still high profile crime about a child's sadistic torture & very brutal murder that Nobody Talks About because very few have Bothered to Find Out the TRUE Details of everything that was done to this 6 year old little girl. The bottom feeder story tellers keep coming for endless utube ‘shows’, like the plethora of TV shows before, because soo many people are naïve, soo many are easily brainwashed & then the new generations who know even Less. That CBS show put out in 2016 was totally Bogus & that’s why CBS & the whole gang of Paid Pipers were mightily Sued, but it sure put new Ramsey bashers in such a new Frenzy, people don’t even stop & think, that because the case has Never been to Trial, the Case Evidence has Never Been Released & so, y’all know absolutely Nothing, except fairy tales. *The Ramseys & lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Already being Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the unknown male’s saliva was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. That DNA continued to clear suspects, then John Mark Karr who said he did it, in 2006. Note that Year. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally officially & Very publicly Exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - the cohort, his DNA on the long-johns also, he is hispanic.* *Jim Clemente & James Kolar spearheaded that CBS farcical production & every single one of those scumbag Con Artists knew all about the Facts of the DNA. They also knew very well exactly Why the Ramseys were Proven Innocent way back when Most had Forgotten, not born then, too young to Know. They made up that whole story & deliberately went for Burke, knowing that the public did Not know much at all, as is true Today. And that’s just another reason why CBS & every one of those A##holes were Sued for $750 million. CBS settled the case out of court, to save their investors, some money.* The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues, with many putting out New made up stories for the titillation factor, now for Views, meaning $$. The next Commander in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some Integrity & publicly stated in 2015 - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day, Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.* The previous BPD members still have a Great Deal to Hide about a whole lot of issues besides their Embarrassing failings & will Always tippy toe around like nervous jackrabbits. The current BPD did issue a very basic statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Find that online & read it, Slowly. What are the cops & the other authority figures for Boulder still keeping secret most of all, to save face plus potentially their retirement packages? The fact that their cops Should have Caught both highly sadistic child killers red-handed in the basement early That morning. Recently a cold case team were put together & are on the job. They have also been given the go-ahead to have more evidence items sent away for the even More advanced DNA analysis & processes. This team were Not put together to go after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys. N.B. The general public need to Comprehend that - NOBODY would try to disguise their Handwriting, by Writing a 365 words & numbers Ransom note & use their Own notepad to do that & then tell the cops, detectives, seasoned homicide investigators & everyone else that they found the 3 pages spread out on one of the rungs of the back staircase - and For The Cops, to have just plopped the sharpie used in the pen cup & put the notepad on the hall table. The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. This was a very, Very well Planned crime. The organiser took Patsy’s notepad just prior. Simple as That. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that note. The public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. You may have seen Fake writing & letter ‘samples’ that are exactly the same as the letters in the note. None of those ‘samples’ were Patsys, None of those pages are from the police files. People who want to get rich from books & TV shows, get Ruthless. There are Many reasons why kidnapping has Always been a rare crime, One has to Think about why that is. The Ramseys did not live in a single storey ranch. That was a Huge 3 storey mansion plus the basement that had multiple rooms & many cupboards - water, a bathroom, heating, a phone & a window to get out of if needed, underground. And Nothing could be heard upstairs. One could exit the basement door & then a door to exit the house without being seen. This very heinous plan, JB was Never to be taken from the basement. Now y’all can start again & Think for a Change. There was Never going to be Any justice when absolute Imbeciles were put in charge of this child’s murder case & who had No priority except for covering their Incompetent asses & seeing how they could Profit from it all. The Only achievement of certain officers within the BPD & specifically Steve Thomas, Linda Arndt & then James Kolar - was to show the whole world what deceitful lying serving police officers Looked Like & the abysmal industry They were Responsible For Starting due to the sum total of Their atrocious behaviour.
@@vicksta8875 I don’t see Anyone railing against all those like Yourself who Make Up from their sick Heads, all the despicable garbage, which is them Accusing JonBenet Herself, of all the Vile incest & paedophile acts that they conjure up with Glee & post proudly as YOU Do constantly. Of the Hundreds of such comments & Stories that I’ve read from such abhorrent so-called human beings, Nobody says a friggin Thing to them. What a National Disgrace. Hang on that’s right, Lots of Other so-called human beings Do say certain things to them, they Agree with them. And because they’re of the exact Same ILK, they’re Bolstered to post Their sick thought processes about the same Vile acts, incest & paedophilia, all about this Child, including 9 year old Burke sometimes & no-one rebukes them in Any way. There was never one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually abused Nor one Skerrick of evidence about Burke either. Yet the Ramseys & their Kids are very cruelly subjected to a round-robin of particularly grotesque accusations that include - child sacrifice, satanic worship scenarios, pedos at the garden parties, selling their child, their friends being Allowed to abuse their child, society members being Allowed to abuse their child including Of Course, Epstein & so on & so on - on it goes, Incessantly. According to the same so-called human beings, because the Ramseys were wealthy for a while, all of the above is what they did with their spare time. Nobody Ever mentions that the Ramseys had deep faith in God & were avid church goers. One can pop over to the many videos about the Chris Watt’s murder case for example. Let me know when you find Anyone who has posted Any comment about Him sexually abusing his little girls Or any other comment about a gang of his friends who did the same & worse. Of all the Hundreds of videos about same subject & victimology, Nobody talks about Any of Those kids as soo many do about This, highly intelligent 6 year old murdered little girl. Shame on you.
@@vicksta8875 I don’t see Anyone railing against all those like You who Make Up from their sick Heads, all the despicable garbage, which is them Accusing JonBenet Herself, of all the Vile incest & paedophile acts that they conjure up with Glee & post proudly as YOU Do constantly. Of the Hundreds of such comments & Stories that I’ve read from such abhorrent so-called human beings, Nobody says a friggin Thing to them. What a National Disgrace. Hang on that’s right, Lots of Other so-called human beings Do say certain things to them, they Agree with them. And because they’re of the exact Same ILK, they’re Bolstered to post Their sick thought processes about the same Vile acts, incest & paedophilia, all about this Child, including 9 year old Burke sometimes & no-one rebukes them in Any way. There was never one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually abused Nor one Skerrick of evidence about Burke either. Yet the Ramseys & their Kids are very cruelly subjected to a round-robin of particularly grotesque accusations that include - child sacrifice, satanic worship scenarios, pedos at the garden parties, selling their child, their friends being Allowed to abuse their child, society members being Allowed to abuse their child including Of Course, Epstein & so on & so on - on it goes, Incessantly. According to the same so-called human beings, because the Ramseys were wealthy for a while, all of the above is what they did with their spare time. Nobody Ever mentions that the Ramseys had deep faith in God & were avid church goers. One can pop over to the many videos about the Chris Watt’s murder case for example. Let me know when you find Anyone who has posted Any comment about Him sexually abusing his little girls Or any other comment about a gang of his friends who did the same & worse. Of all the Hundreds of videos about same subject & victimology, Nobody talks about Any of Those kids as soo many do about This, highly intelligent 6 year old murdered little girl. Shame on you.
It’s pretty obvious that something happened with that police department. The crime scene was not cordoned off rather it was a kidnapping and or a murder that you have to investigate and look around the house etc. so you got you got to shut the place down they invited bunches of people over somebody told him exactly what to do to to mock things and cloud things up in the police didn’t stop them and that female detective Was left there alone and called again and again and again for help and nobody came even after telling them it was a murder a murder scene and she said on an interview don’t never forget this that one John Ramsey brought the body up. They looked at each other and locked eyes and she brought her gun into her that she said she was scared because she didn’t know who was going to be alive by the end of that day now I’ve John Ramsey has something to do with this and knows he’s going to get away with it he I could see him looking at her with a cold stair like how dare you
When the police first went into the Ramsey house the bigwigs told them that the parents were victims and treat them accordingly..Rich,well known,they got treated like royalty. If they had of been taken in that same day and grilled separately and Bourke and kept it there would have been a different outcome!
@@berniehayes8425 The Ramseys were up so early that morning because they were to head to their holiday house in Charlevoix on their private plane. It was before 6 a.m., pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Who would know how long the cops would take to get there. After that desperate but very frustrating 911 call, Patsy called the Whites & the Fernies - for Help, who lived Close By. John Fernie later called their pastor for prayers & comfort, it was going to be a long wait, the note said Tomorrow. BTW - the Cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come who also arrived early that morning. The Ramseys did Nothing to themselves by way of ‘how they acted’ at all & the 8 cops & detectives Present that day, had No problems believing they were Genuine. Officer Rick French was the first person & officer to arrive, within 6 minutes of the Start of the 911 call. He saw that Patsy was near hysterical & at point of collapse & he had her & John sit in the sunroom. He did a cursory look around then officer Veitch arrived.. Of the 8 cops & detectives who arrived at various times that morning, nobody was searching for JB, it was a Ransom note. Except for Arndt, all were gone by about 10.30 a.m. Linda Arndt didn't arrive til 8.10 a.m. & With detective Patterson. At different times early that morning, 3 cops were tasked with checking entry & exit points only, all 3 Failed at that job. 2 of those 3 officers plus one taking photos went down the basement at different times, all 3 failed to flip the latch down on the top of the cellar door, pull open the door & go in. All 3 saw gear in front of the train room door & by-passed that door, as did Fleet White. The broken window is Not where the perps entered the house, but the BPD went to great lengths to make sure that the public Still don’t know that Their cops didn’t even know about that window til that Evening, when they went back. That’s why the ‘famous’ photo of the open window, shows that it was taken in the Night. Arndt wrote a Favourable report about the Ramseys & said their behaviour was appropriate to the circumstances. The media went into a Frenzy because the child was found murdered in the home after 1 pm., when many cops had been there for Many hours. The BPD then went into damage control to save their Own asses & so the BS began. What better way to shut the Ramseys up about the cops’ Failings that morning than to throw mud at the Ramseys & they used the Media to do that. Within one week, the Ramseys were ducking for cover & the cops were cleaning their nails. Many weeks later, Arndt was put on desk duties, didn’t like that & quit. Her next job was as a tree lopper. *It was the lousy Cops who should have found JB & early that morning, Not her poor father that afternoon & he did Not go ‘straight to the cellar’. Arndt tried to sue the BPD for Money but the lost the case. Next - she had great acting lessons for that Performance on national TV because she was after a book deal Too.. Her report to the BPD was in the public domain due to the court case & so, she was Caught as a Liar & later retracted all she said in that abysmal interview on national TV. Somewhere along the line she had Regret at least & when Patsy was dying, Arndt went to see her & apologised for all she had said for the TV audience & vowed to do all she could to help find the killer. Due to Arndt’s stories in that hilarious interview - many of the public believe that Arndt was the first officer at the scene & many believe she was the Only officer at the house all day when That is not true either, but her & the BPD are more than happy for the public to believe That BS as Well. It was Her who carried the body to the living room rug near the Xmas tree. Arndt knew Full Well the note said Tomorrow but deliberately didn’t mention That either - for her breakout debut with a numbskull reporter whose only job was to try & keep a straight face. The Ramseys gave the cops free reign to their house from the minute officer French walked in the door because they had Nothing to hide. They spoke separately to the cops & detectives in total, for Hours that morning & after JB was found. Burke was interviewed when still at the Whites at 2 p.m. by detective Patterson, Neither parent was present, nor did they know that was happening. John spoke with the Ds that night, Patsy was bedridden by then. Arndt asked John for them to go to the PD on the 28th. The Ramseys had already witnessed how inept the cops Were & John hired a private investigator straight away. All Ramseys gave the required samples & John spoke to the Ds for 2 hours again that day. They did Everything the cops asked them to do. John asked Eller to speak to Patsy at the house where they were staying because she was so ill & medicated, Eller refused to do that. Steve Thomas was brought in because the Present investigators refused to target the Ramseys. Thomas was an ex-narcotics officer & had No experience with Any murder case before & thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. Thomas constantly talked about the Book he was going to write & if anyone went against His theory, they were ridiculed & ostracized. The BPD rarely had a murder & this was the first for '96. The next 2 up the ladder had No experience with homicide Either. The BPD refused help from the FBI, the CBI & the Denver PD. The Present investigators had No concerns about deception but Then the body was found in the house. False & misleading information was being leaked to the media. The cops were made to publicly Apologise later for saying there were no footprints in the snow, but the damage was done. It didn’t even snow that night & old snow at the front Only. The Ramseys were told they were being targeted & advised to get lawyers. Very sound advice & the Right of All citizens. The talk was through the lawyers then, That's how it Goes. The Ramseys organised to do the Formal interview for when they returned from Atlanta burying their daughter, the cops cancelled that interview as they did more than once. It didn’t go ahead til April, big Deal. Loads of people don’t do formal interviews At All & lots don’t speak to the cops Ever. The Ramseys still had Nothing to Hide & they went on national TV soo many times, nobody can count the number up right. Being interviewed by all & sundry & being asked about the same Hurtful aspects over & over again whilst being Accused & being open to the scrutiny of all the loons to squawk about every blink of an eye, while the ever accusing keystone cops were doing Jackshit trying to find the sadistic murderer of their child. John went on to hire 3 more private investigators. The Ramseys went broke trying to find who murdered their child & hoped to Save another. When the money ran out, many Seasoned investigators continued the search Unpaid. Not one of them have written a Book. *What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on National TV & for Years? NONE. And John continued that after Patsy died. He & John Andrew continue to this day.* The current info about the DNA has been national news for over 2 years, only the highly ignorant Ramsey bashers ignore that Scientific evidence. CeCe Moore has publicly weighed in on this case, asking for the DNA evidence items. To save him from the Trauma going on downstairs, Burke was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m., where their kids were present & some adult relatives. Burke was actually interviewed that very afternoon there at about 2 p.m., by detective Patterson who was at the Ramsey's house that morning. Neither of his parents were present for that interview that was recorded, nor did they know that was happening. Burke was taken to where the parents were at their friend's house & John told him then that JB was deceased. After that interview with Dr Phil & then the abysmal fall-out after that despicable Bogus CBS show was aired after that also in 2016, Patterson publicly defended Burke & stated on national TV that he’d conducted an interview with 9 year old Burke & he didn't know Anything at all & he’d been very worried that his little sister was still missing. Burke was interviewed again 10 days later by a police child service's officer, that took Hours. No lawyer or parents were with him & his parents had Allowed that interview to take place. The public have seen a few snippets of that interview, from shows on utube, the 'bits' that suit the agenda of the channels. Same in relation to the interview with a detective when Burke was 11. That went on over 2 days, no lawyer nor his parents were with him & again, his parents Allowed that interview to take place. Then, the poor Kid received a Subpoena to appear before the grand jury & off he went to do that Also, neither parent present & NO Lawyer there Either. One needs to think about the Major Players behind this made up Saga of who did what - Steve Thomas put it all on Patsy, Linda Arndt decided Later that she’d blame John & James Kolar chose Burke - neither of these so-called 'police' had Ever worked a murder case before or after but, they were all about writing a Book. Each one put their mugs on National TV, trying for fame & fortune, they Failed at that job also. All 3 are such an Embarrassment for law enforcement around the world & then there’s the Fact that they’re all Proven liars.
Who knew who ? I agree, that should have been looked into with the Ramseys. I think the Ramsey's should have been investigated regarding to child pornography and child sex ring.The District Attorney Alex Hunter should be investigated as well. I would venture to say there are numerous politicians,judges, police, attorneys, physcians and most deffinately clergy.
@@IhaveMy0pinion Burke was Not wetting the bed & JB rarely did. Why do you people believe everything you read off the back of your cereal boxes? The Ramseys were a very loving family. Jealous much?
I'm diving deep down True Crime Garage's rabbithole that is the tragic Jon Benet Ramsey case. Sad, very sad, but intriguing perspectives here nonetheless.
Main evidence - lack of any fingerprints on the letter. If an intruder wrote it why Patsy didn't leave any fingerprints while reading it ? Its over doing . She wore gloves to write it, put it on stairs then took gloves off. She got that wrong 😂 Anybody belives she got up , saw some letter on stairs and wore gloves to read it? 😂 Don't think so. 😊
It is a Fact that it's not very often that cops get fingerprints off anything. John had just got out the shower & Patsy had just washed, applied make-up, washed again & put on hand cream. The Ramseys were Proven Innocent way back when the wheel was invented, these shitshows keep coming because so many people love to Hate on this family hey. Clearly the sadistic torture of this child that was on & off over a period of Hours, then the very brutal murder, doesn't matter at all. It's all about poor Patsy, obviously. She was way too beautiful & way too classy, wasn't she. Keep on with your very childish emojis, the jokes on You.
@@readdeeply9278 Obviously you don't read very well &/or have poor comprehensions skills, see if an adult can help you out with this - The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. *NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent. **The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly. Recently a cold case team were put together & are on the job. They also have the go-ahead to submit more evidence items for Advanced DNA & forensic analysis. The FBI are finally involved in the investigation also. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
Let me break this down for people. Regarding one John Andrew, the eldest son of John's and Jonbenet's half-brother who was 19 at the time. There's a suitcase in the basement, under the busted window, and in close proximity to the body, the contents of the suitcase, a semen stained blanket with a Dr. Seuss book, both belonging to one John Andrew, fibers from that blanket on her thighs. An eyewitness who knew the family well, one Joe Barnhill originally stated he saw John Andrew on Xmas day. And people seem to forget right off the bat John Andrew was being looked at as a suspect, that only changed via entrance of John Ramsey threatening the Boulder PD to back off John Andrew or he wouldn't cooperate, so the "clearing" of John Andrew was haphazard and under the force of threat, and remember even the original detectives stated this as did Alex Hunter, "someone cleared, can be uncleared" How about this. John Andrew's bedroom was right next to Jonbenet's and out of all the rooms in that giant home, besides the wine cellar where she was ''found'' his room was of particular interest to investigators, questions to Patsy regarding John Andrew and his bedroom, and IMO Patsy lied. She was asked a very basic question regarding John Andrew when he was "last at the home" and she couldn't recall, couldn't even ballpark it, well, that's a lie, BECAUSE HE LIVED THERE, AND ATTENDED THE COLLEGE. Here's another interesting thing, in Linda Arndt's report, it stated that John Andrew was on John's private plane, but that plane was supposed to be fueled up and ready for the early trip to Michigan, there were many inconsistencies regarding commercial flights, and flight logs at the airport etc, even John was caught by the detectives 20 mins after finding the body on the phone with his pilot Mike Archuleta needing to rush down to Atlanta, why? Was it to lawyer up his ex wife Lucinda? Along with John Andrew and Melinda? Because he did that, and fast mind you. John Andrew's alibi's that night, a movie ticket stub, family vouching for him, and a ATM transaction receipt, all produced 3 months later mind you. A private plane from Boulder to Atlanta? 3 hours, and the time two hour time difference from Rocky Mountain to Atlanta one could of easily been jetted out of town that very night. Think about this, as if this isn't enough already, if you're John Ramsey, the head of a billion dollar co. for a major defence contractor do you think that person or that pilot is going to log a flight if a major crime has just been committed? So all this crap about Steve Thomas checking flight logs is nonsense along with every other aspect of this case and the handling of this case. And who's to say that John Ramsey didn't have Government clearance! Why is Melinda's palm print on the wine cellar door? Why is it John Andrew waits 24 years to come out publicly to show his support for the case? 24 years! TO me that looks like it was getting suspicious him hiding behind closed doors and it was a strategic move to come out, and Melina till this very day still hasn't come out publicly, not one half assed public attempt to show she cares for her slain half-sister, privacy is one thing, avoiding the cameras is another thing, staying hidden for close to 30 years is calculated and cold and suspicious. Joe Barnhill the neighbor that knew the family well, he later changed his original testimony to police about seeing John Andrew, he went from knowing the family well and "seeing John Andrew" to recanting and saying that "he wouldn't even be able to point John Andrew out in a room full of people" WOW, ok. Seems to me or any logical thinking person that pressure or even threats reached Joe Barnhill and he knew self preservation was more important, it happens to witnesses all the time, they realize the magnitude of their comments could be life threatening so they recant out of fear or just flat out go quiet. Interesting because another witness did the same thing, one Melinda Stanton who "heard the loud scream from a child" she changed her story from that to "feeling a spiritual energy emanating from Jonbenet lol OK, yeah right. They also found rope in his room, which could be innocent but it does indicate he knows knots, being the "outdoorsman" that he proclaimed to be. Even Sloan Bella gives a very interesting take on John Andrew being groomed by John in that sick world of abuse of children. I usually don't put too much stock in what Psychics say but she makes some really intelligent thoughts on it. And that answers my million dollar question as to why John Ramsey continues to lie and protect the person[s] involved in this case, why? John's 80 years old still going on TV shows and attending crime conventions acting as if he wants to find the killer[s] BUT HE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED, so why is he still covering it up? Was it because he was complicit and involved in some way? And so was his son? I get fear playing a factor, fear of outing such people, but as he closes in on the last stage of his life and his little daughter is dead and without justice and exploited every year by the media don't you think a loving father would have some courage, some balls and finally end this nonsense and tell what happened? He won't do it. Why? Why is that? The John Andrew aspect is a big thing IMO that needs to be studied more. Why was Mike Archuleta, the pilot, his marriage dissolved due to this case, why? Was it because he was party to a cover-up? Accessory to murder? Did he whisk someone out of Boulder that night? How's this for another thought, the same last name of the John's pilot was the same last name of the 911 dispatcher who took the call from Patsy, and Archuleta isn't a common name lol. There's even photos of John Andrew on major networks that have him cropped out of the photos, why? He and his buddy apparently were at the movies that night, and makes me wonder did they do the crime and botch a kidnapping? Tried to extort daddy for some money? Did they get their ideas from movies? Ransom? Nick of Time? etc, the ransom note is littered with movie quotes and even Patsy said the note looked like it was penned by a young person who liked movies. Think about it. Look at John Andrews first interviews 24 years later, he looks like the cat that swallowed the canary. And perhaps all this other stuff is true regarding the church and the community and circles of friends they were with but what if it was a situation that the son was involved in and it got out of hand and daddy covered it up. She was being abused prior to the murder, most likely. Seems o me the family is so ashamed of being involved in that they are willing to go to the grave with the truth. In other words they would come out. I'm not buying fear is why they won't talk, not close to 30 years later I'm not. There was something going on that included the family as a whole of known sick practices of abuses of children. Even the investigators found the Dictionary, A COLLEGIATE Dictionary with the page where 'Incest' was bookmarked, or creased. COLLEGIATE. think of that.
Well said, and Agree. The Rope in JAs room was used to hang JB. The large "hematoma" red circle, on her throat was caused by" Hanging".. How a Pathologist can screw that up, along with NOT seeing those were CLEAR Stungun Markings on JB is utterly disgusting! Shame on that Pathologist who was paid off or threatened to tell a bs lie. I'm in the medical field and can tell everyone, THOSE are Stungun marks! Period! Same with the clear identification Markings on her throat, of a hanging! So upsetting and beyond insane John still flaps his lying mouth!!! He's a POS
Daddy and his friends regularly helped themselves to poor little JonBenet. Everybody in town figured out back then, (i lived there, down the st) especially when the DA allowed the case to be dismissed after JOHN was indicted by a Grand Jury. Do the math.
@@FreshGrey-pm4vw Jesus Christ .. the thought of that makes me sick, and that's why I think John continues to play stupid and act as if he doesn't know what happened, it's because he was complicit in some way, he and his buddy fleet White are the two suspects I think, I also think Fleets guests from California were involved and I think Nancy krebs gave us a very real likely scenario as to what happened, think about this, the ransom note is littered with movie quotes, well bill cox one of the men staying at fleets said they watched that movie, and the movie was about a little girl, same age as jonbenet who gets kidnapped, and the opening line in the ransom note is LISTEN CAREFULLY, the line from the movie where Johnny Depp has the gun to the last politician in the hotel room
Don't forget the Plane left on her graveside. The photographer might have placed it, sure. But the story was, it appeared one time around her birthday or something. I agree. The JAR theory shd be seriously considered.
But all of this STILL doesn't exclude the fact that John and Patsy BOTH know what happened to their daughter and yet PROTECT AND CONCEAL a predator and a murderer, what's the deal with that? I'm supposed to believe almost 30 years later John who's like 80 is still protecting the suspect[s] out of fear? He still goes on tv shows and attends crime conventions acting as if wants to find the killer yet he knows, so think about how disgraceful and disrespectful that is to his daughters memory. HE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED AND WHO DID IT.
I've long been of the opinion that JBR's death was somehow an inside job, but at the same time wondered why her father is spending so much time trying to pin the crime on the 'suspect of the month' now that any chance of prosecution seems long dead . This info, if connected, would make that behavior much more logical.
Correct.how many times did the parents change the narrative. Every time they opened their mouths they changed the narrative..IF the parents didn't do it they definitely knew who did . From the start they denied any sexual assault etc on jb..but once the story changed to the possibility of a sexual predator the Ramseys ran with that!! Red flags everywhere..
@@carolbaughan8768lol it was "TOUCH" DNA . Not sperm, not blood etc. Its from some factory worker who was packing the underwear. Another question - why Patsy didn't leave any fingerprints on the note while reading it? She just over did it. Wore gloves while writing the note , left it on stairs , never touched it later. If an intruder wrote it Patsys fingerprints WOULD be on it. And Johns .
Jeffjones 100 percent and Alex Hunter corupt John Ramsey and his dad All Freemason sick and dark google William Morris model agency Also, John Ramsay's father, James Dudley Ramsey was ahead of the aeronautics commission in the 70s. He gave Francis Sheldon permission to build a runway to North Fox Island which was a pedophile ring for boys. That's a fact all pedophiles. All private Islands, all private pilots.
Ive always believed that JR was abusing his daughter she had proof of long term anuse..I pray the goid Lord JESUS expose thise invilved so she can rest in peace
I don’t see Anyone railing against all those who Make Up from their sick Heads, all the despicable garbage, which is them Accusing JonBenet Herself, of all the Vile incest & paedophile acts that they conjure up with Glee & post proudly. Of the Hundreds of such comments & Stories that I’ve read from these abhorrent so-called human beings, Nobody says a friggin Thing to them. What a National Disgrace. Hang on that’s right, Lots of Other so-called human beings Do say certain things to them, they Agree with them. And because they’re of the Same Ilk, they’re Bolstered to post Their sick thought processes about the same Vile acts, incest & paedophilia, all about this Child, including 9 year old Burke sometimes & no-one rebukes them in Any way. There was never one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually molested Nor one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually abused. Not one Skerrick about Burke either. Yet the Ramseys & their Kids are very cruelly subjected to a round-robin of particularly grotesque accusations that include - child sacrifice, satanic worship scenarios, pedos at the garden parties, selling their child, their friends being Allowed to abuse their child, society members being Allowed to abuse their child including Of Course, Epstein & so on & so on - on it goes, Incessantly. According to the same so-called human beings, because the Ramseys were wealthy at the time, all of the above is what they did with their spare time. Nobody Ever mentions that the Ramseys had deep faith in God & were avid church goers. One can pop over to the many videos about the Chris Watt’s murder case. Let me know when you find Anyone who has posted Any comment about Him sexually abusing his little girls Or any other comment about a gang of his friends who did the same & worse. Of all the Hundreds of videos about same subject & victimology, Nobody talks about Any of Those kids as soo many do about This, highly intelligent 6 year old murdered little girl. Shame on you.
@@redxfingernails No there was Not, that's just More despicable Lies about this Child for sick a##wipes to get off on & so all the degenerate Fantasy made up stories about pedo parties, incest scenarios, satanic worship nights & sex rings at the garden parties. The two perpetrators who tortured JB on & off for Hours with that complex made Bondage Device are responsible for committing vile acts upon her & so, bleeding from the vagina due to more than one implement, some swelling & a bit of redness inside. I know the Exact details of what else & what with. Their DNA, several places on her person. The saliva from one has been in CODIS since 2003. Nothing happened to this beautiful child previously At All. The authentic autopsy report can be found online, the 1st of 9 pages has the symbol for Boulder County, top left corner. A cold case team were put together months ago & are hard at work. They have been given the go-ahead to send the DNA from both perps for updated technology work & untested evidence items are being released from the BPD's hands for same. The FBI are involved in this investigation, finally.
There was Zero evidence let alone proof, of any abuse let alone long term. But anything in relation to This poor little girl & s#x anything is Great entertainment for those with pedo & incest thought processes.
Well something was not right with the ramsey children i thougt it was the father but he was away a lot so did the days when he was away match urine infections or trips to doctor who may be in a ring as well to go on that long i feal the childen were at risk it just my opiionr
Yes..In a home w/acreage Man shot seven , then offed himself..found shackles, signs of child porn in the home....other bondage items. Swept under the rug by media and police...:( More going on in many an opinion than one loony tune going crazy...Had ties to the court system there.😡 @@deliajones9541
Unfortunately this case will never be solved. Like the Lindberg case its all speculative. Tje only chance for justice was the grand jurirs indictment that Hunter refused to prosecute. After all the time hours & money spent he chose to honor the grand juries vote for indictment. Shameful miscarriage of justice on every level.
Like this case, loads of so-called 'authors' & fooltube shows pump out the same old garbage 'information' for the simple-minded within our societies to get off on, for that age old reason - Money. Deary, Hauptmann didn't get over $14,000 in gold dollars from the fn Tooth Fairy.
it is curious how out of all the info out there on this case is the success of John Ramsey's business. who helped him succeed to the higgest levels- who did he piss off in thise business circles
Many of our parents were the very weatlhy and influential people of Boulder. He didn't stand out among other parents, but I remember being so nervous as he was so well known. He was very professional, friendly. Living in Boulder during and after the murder, the coverage was non-stop and presence of press was constant. I still follow the case to this day.
Im so tired of people blaming the parents. Finally, somebody is making sense of this case! The police were in on it. I saw that from the beginning. Read the ransome note, again. Look at the actions that the killer claimed they would do. The ransome note said they had control of the police. The ransome note also said that they were going to hold their daughter for burial. (Ding! Ding! Ding! The police did that!)
I've been worried to say it but since you have-I agree with your thought's about this case and the police.All it take's is one bad apple to upset the cart/case.
Yet John and Patsy put their children in this Cult. So, they didn't unlive her, but KNOWS HOW, WHEN, WHERE AND WHO!! SO, YES... THEY ARE TO BLAME 100%.👿
@@melsafken764 yes, when you look at the individual letters you can see that it's Johns handwriting . a+l especially..... John knew how to make a garot and different types of knots. John wrote in his book that Patsy had no idea what amount of bonus he had. John tore the tape off Jon Benets mouth. John carried her covered little body upstairs and put her on the floor. John wrote many times in the note saying ...if you contact police your daughter will be killed.... Patsy read...we have kidnapped your daughter... Patsy called police... John wrongly assumed Patsy had read 3 pages but she didn't and now police were coming to the house.... John changed his plan to messing up the crime scene... Johns original plan was to fly Burke and Patsy to their other house then fly back to get rid of her little body and no police....Patsy and Burke never had knowledge.
@@IhaveMy0pinion Firstly, John did what Any normal person would have done & took the tape off the child's mouth. He then did what Any normal father would have done & raced upstairs with his child, hoping she could be Saved. Linda Arndt had heard him cry out from the basement & she was near the top of the stairs when he came through the door with his child & she told him to put the body down, which was on the tiles in the foyer. She checked the child & told John she was deceased then She carried the body to the living room near the Xmas tree. Patsy did not know about John's bonus which was for end of year '95, paid to him in March '96 & that amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96, that were in his home office. The Ramseys were Proven Innocent way back when the wheel was invented, you delusional nobodies Really need to get over yourselves but hey, you're all paying for these never ending shows full of the same old BS to keep on keeping on. The rest of your highly Ignorant garbage about John is Not true. Now run along & try to Grow Up asap hey.
@@melsafken764 The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. *NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *The naive & the ignorant need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent. **The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it. Recently a cold case team were put together & are on the job. They also have the go-ahead to submit more evidence items for Advanced DNA & forensic analysis. The FBI are finally involved in the investigation also. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
A guy here tied up beat n killed a littlr girl later fleeing to colorado, he ran a cp ring was recently caught after 26 yrs ...he killed her in 93 or 94 then went an hour from boulder....this all really comes together.....actual crime was similar....
The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. *NOBODY would try to disguise some letters of their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* Some cops also had moron syndrome. The 2nd Commander put in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent. **The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly. *Last year a cold case team were put together & they’re on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both perps’ DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.*
The DNA found in JB underwear don't match anyone in the family. Funny how everyone has all the answers. I don't think the family had a damn thing to do with it.
Its more than obvious that the Jonbenet's parents staged the kidnapping and murder to cover for their son who had killed her in a fit of rage. Whether there was prior involvement in what you are reporting here is irrelevant when it comes to the cause of her demise. Just because things were uncovered during an investigation into the Ramsey case, it doesn't mean that both things are related.
Some info from previous replies is repeated but you will see why I did that. *That Xmas letter which included 'and hence', was sent to Lots of people including the Barnhills, where Glenn Meyer was living in their basement apartment across the road. The Ramseys didn't even know he was living there & had been for some time yet, the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy had given the Barnhills Lots of letters, notes & cards over the years. It is Easy to copy one’s print writing. JB's little dog was kept over there. Meyer got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. Meyer organised this crime for money & then with 3 other degenerates, it was also for revenge. Meyer was the author of the note. Meyer took himself over to the kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd. He knocked on the door saying he was looking for the Barnhills. He said he was very worried about them & John took to him to where they were & he stayed. He didn't even tell John Then, that he was living across the road in the Barnhill's basement because it was a Secret. The Barnhills didn't introduce him to the Ramseys. John said later that he thought Meyer was a friend of the Barnhills who had just arrived from out of town to visit them for Xmas. Patsy's father offered him food. Patsy didn't see him there, obviously he wasn't there long At All. He made the 911 hang-up call, a test run to see how long the cops might take to get to that address & there was another reason but also, at the same time, that Anonymous call was going to cause the Ramseys trouble later because nobody at their party dialled that number. Meyer took the notepad Then, simple stuff actually. The marker belonged to Him. Patsy used to buy those notepads in packs of 5 from the local store. She & John had one each. Meyer's cohorts lived just down the road on the corner. Two of them got in the house via the kitchen door when the Ramsey's left for the White's Xmas dinner party. They had broken in before & that's why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. Steve Thomas the Twit had Never worked a murder case before & neither had his partner. The 2 In Charge at that keystone cop shop they call the Boulder Police Department had Never worked a homicide case either - let alone a Very well planned Ransom case. In relation to their interview with Larry King & Steve Thomas, May 31st, 2000 - *When Patsy & John were talking about the unknown male DNA that was under JB's fingernails & in her underpants, They didn't know that the underpants were from the pack of 7 that Patsy had bought for her niece for Xmas from Bloomingdales. The ones that had the weekdays on the waistband. The ones that were called Bloomies & were size 12-14. The ones that were brand new & still in the packet. The ones that Patsy had put in JB's bathroom vanity cabinet at the back of a drawer til she was big enough to fit into them, about 8 Years away. Patsy had bought JB 2 special Barbie dolls from Bloomingdales also. One of the dolls had her own pair of underpants, also called Bloomies. JB wanted the underpants like her doll & begged her mother for that pack of 7 & Patsy gave in. JB went over to the Barnhills when they got back & she told the Barnhills about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. When Patsy & John were talking about the unknown male DNA that was under JB's fingernails & in the underpants, They didn't know that the perps had put a pair of Those huge underpants on their daughter when they had her in the basement. Patsy & John Didn't Know that JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that Xmas Day. Thomas the Twit - Did Know about those Big Underpants but Chose not tell them that, of Course. Many, Don't Know that those Big underpants would have fell straight to the floor if put on JB under Normal circumstances. Thomas the Twit said Patsy murdered her little girl because she wet the bed. But there was No urine on the sheets. There was No evidence that JB wet the bed. There Was the evidence of a big pee stain from JB that was on the carpet & underlay in the boiler room, in the basement. Thomas the Twit says that Patsy strangled her daughter to death on that spot & from Behind. He said That, because of the underpants & long-johns, so much urine staining on the Front of Both that it was all-but to the waistbands of Both items. He said ‘that was because JB's bladder released upon her death’. Have a Good Look at the photos of those items. Does that Huge pee staining of Both items look like one pee from a little girl even at death? Don't forget the pee went through the carpet And the underlay. Don't forget that Thomas the Twit said JB had - Already Wet The Bed Before. The perps were giving JB quite a bit of water in the early hours & from sadistic unspeakable abuse, That’s what caused so much pee through the carpet & both of those garments. The autopsy photos show the position of the cord at the front of JB's neck & the fact that her gold necklace was Caught with it & just at the bottom of the cord at the front of the neck, Proves that JB was Not on her front when strangled to death. As do the claw marks on her neck. The position of the necklace there was Not a coincidence. Her gold cross was turned to the back. According to Thomas the Twit, this was all After the acts of whittling, cutting & breaking the paintbrush, fashioning all those intricate knots & wrapping the cord around the remaining handle & tying loops & a noose & using the end of the paintbrush to penetrate her daughter's genitals til it caused Bleeding that was also on her thighs, that was all wiped off with a blue cloth & that wasn't the only implement used that caused injuries to this child's genitals. Because, Steve Thomas the Proven Liar, was a highly deceitful Nobody who constantly talked about the book of BS he was going to write instead of doing the Job and, he was Never ‘lead detective’, he was a lead Cockroach. He doesn't even Know what the rest of the marks & abrasions Were that were on this little girl's body & so didn’t know what was Done to Cause them. There was in Fact, a Hole in JB's skull As Well. The skull piece was split in 2 & inside. This fact was Not released to the public Or to that Imbecile & that's Why he only talks about & Wrote about - a bang on the head that he said occurred when Patsy violently shoved her child so hard that she hit her head on the side of her bathtub, because of a - Pee in her bed. How does a push & a fall into the side of a bathtub cause Two Severe fractures, one Open & from front to back & nearly the length of the skull & the Other was a Hole? It is a Fact that if Either of the gross fractures Had occurred Before death, the skull would have been filled with blood, It Wasn't. The autopsy photos Clearly show the dig marks from JB's nails in her skin At the cord because she was fighting for her life when being strangled to death. The fingernails that held the unknown male DNA were Both of JB's pinkie fingers. The cord was left embedded in this little girl’s neck which had a particular double knot tied at the back too. Thomas the Twit didn't have any kids back at that time. What mother would put a turtleneck jumper on their child to go to bed? Thomas the Twit believes Patsy did that & said so in this interview & Wrote that in his book of BS. He also said the jumper was wet, balled up & in the sink. The cops walk-thru video shows this was also a Lie, it had been placed on the vanity. In the middle of the Atlantic maybe that turtleneck jumper would be a good idea if one had no central heating. The Ramseys Did have central heating & their home was in Boulder. There are photos of JB in just normal PJs & the kids were up at 6 a.m. that Xmas Day morning to open their presents. JB didn't even have a dressing gown on & neither did Burke. There is no way in hell that JB was put in a turtleneck jumper to go to bed And she was Asleep. Both of JB’s new special Barbie dolls were later found in the front yard, wrapped in grey tape. Her my-twin doll that Patsy gave her for Xmas, disappeared. Besides the Many items used that the perps brought to the house & left there & many items that were Staged in & around, many items were Missing. I don't know how John didn't blow a fuse in this interview when having to sit so close to Thomas the Village Idiot who, was lifting himself up & down when spouting his Crap like a wooden faced Puppet on a poker. The Ramseys sure did Sue that lowlife scumbag who was & always will be, an absolute Moron & a stock-standard Sociopath. He lost every cent of his Hundreds of Thousands Dollars that he made from his book that he wrote for his Own Financial Gain, blaming just Patsy for the Torture & the highly sadistic murder of her adored little girl - for No Other Reason than a friggin NOTEPAD. This so-called investigation was a total Farce & He couldn't have cared less about this Child, because his Game was to be rich & famous like a movie star, which, he thought he was on the cusp of Achieving. He's Still crying about what an Epic Failure he Truly WAS. See, Con Men, Losers, LIARS & Cheaters - Never Prosper.
To save him from the Trauma going on downstairs, Burke was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m., where their kids were present & some adult relatives. Burke was actually interviewed that very afternoon there at about 2 p.m., by detective Patterson who was at the Ramsey's house that morning. Neither of his parents were present for that interview that was recorded, nor did they know that was happening. Burke was taken to where the parents were at their friend's house & John told him then that JB was deceased. After that interview with Dr Phil & then the abysmal fall-out after that despicable Bogus CBS show was aired after that also in 2016, Patterson publicly defended Burke & stated on national TV that he’d conducted an interview with 9 year old Burke & he didn't know Anything at all & he’d been very worried that his little sister was still missing. Burke was interviewed again 10 days later by a police child service's officer, that took Hours. No lawyer or parents were with him & his parents had Allowed that interview to take place. The public have seen a few snippets of that interview, from shows on utube, the 'bits' that suit the agenda of the channels. Same in relation to the interview with a detective when Burke was 11. That went on over 2 days, no lawyer nor his parents were with him & again, his parents Allowed that interview to take place. Then, the poor Kid received a Subpoena to appear before the grand jury & off he went to do that Also, neither parent present & NO Lawyer there Either. N.B. - that was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. Burke tried very hard to work out what he was supposed to see, eventually he said about a glass. That idiot detective kept saying pineapple, pineapple, pineapple. LOL. Burke thought that what was in the bowl may have been cereal because it looked like muck, in that photo. All items on that table were Staged by the perps, as were Lots of items all over the house. There were 18 Chunks of pineapple in that bowl. There were more than one 18s within this crime. Meyer's lucky number was 18. That bowl had the leftover icing from the kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd, the bowl was with other bowls & containers on the table that had the lollies for the decorating of the gingerbread houses. In photos from that party, the bowl can be seen. Patsy bought a large bag of icing. That big heavy bowl was kept in a top cupboard in the kitchen. From whatever tabloid, book or utube show, people now say that pineapple & milk was Burke & JB's favourite. LOL. It was Not. Forensic science Proved that JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple. BTW - pineapple is Acidic, it would Curdle friggin Milk. They had all been up since 6 - 6.30 a.m. that Xmas Day morning & the kids played all day & with friends that afternoon & then again for half the night at the White's Xmas dinner party til about 9 p.m. JB fell into an Exhausted sleep when they got in the car to go home, making 2 stops on the way to drop off presents. JB was only 6 years old, she Did NOT Wake Up After That. Burke did Not say on the Dr Phil interview that he ‘woke up & went downstairs’ to play with a toy. He walked in the door & went straight to his multi-storey car garage that he was given for Xmas. His father went downstairs, helped him put that together for 15-20 minutes then took him up to his room & helped him get ready for bed. The kids Never went downstairs on their own at night. Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a toy golf club from a Backswing, it clocked her on the top of the cheekbone, he cried about it for a week. Nothing Else. The ever changing faeces Stories are Not true. He was Asked what he thought happened to his little sister in that interview 10 days later. He was friends with the White’s kids & the Stine’s kids who obviously were Not told the Details about all that happened to their little friend. As Kids, just like adults, they Speculate & they Overhear adults talking. The announcement through the media at the time was the True cause of death, Asphyxiation. The family were later told there was damage to the child’s skull. Both gross & Separate fractures were just After her death. As per, the hierarchy within the police do Not release all information, even to their own cops. The Fact is that the 1st fracture was Open front to back & nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole, the skull piece being split in 2 & inside. This total BS about a ‘bonk on the head’ grew legs because of Steve Thomas & his loon book of BS, that’s Why he was sued & then James Kolar did one better & said Burke did the head bonk. Thomas the twit was about to be fired for his despicable scenario & Kolar the clown Was fired for his rot with the added on BS coming from Jim Clemente in 2016 & so that farcical CBS show. One needs to Think about WHY that police Evidence of the 911 recording was put on a TV programme After the Ramsey’s book was released & they had appeared on the Larry King show in March 2000 where they spoke publicly about some of the cops’ failings. One needs to find out about Steve Thomas first though, the former narcotics officer, including that he constantly talked about the book he was going to write when supposedly working this case of a Child’s brutal murder. He said that Patsy hadn't hung up the phone properly & he said Burke could be heard saying something in the background. He accused the Ramseys of lying in saying Burke was asleep when that call was made. They were Incensed about that Next accusation & wanted to Hear what the cops were talking about. And, Thomas said Burke Only. The cops refused to let the Ramseys hear that recording. John & Patsy were So upset, they went on national TV & told the World what they had just been accused of & challenged the cops to cough-up with the tape. All went quiet. Please note, all this was After the grand jury hearing that took 13 months & where Burke was again questioned for a long time by the Special Prosecutor this time, Michael Kane. Next thing, a TV Show has the recording, Words are put on screen & suddenly it's supposedly All 3 Ramseys in the background. How amusing but typical form from that scumbag Steve Thomas who’s nothing but a Proven Liar, who’s only accolade before this murder case was busting a bike theft ring. He released his childish book, was promptly sued for all the Lies & lost every cent that he made from the public’s purse strings. He had then moved overseas with his tail firmly planted between his legs. When calling 911 Patsy was using the Wall phone in the alcove that was near that door by the grate that she called the kitchen door. John was reading the note over & over by her Then. In the Authentic recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the metal cradle that was at the side of that phone is Clearly heard, CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. Under that phone on the wall, was a cupboard. If Patsy had put the handset down, all would have heard CLUNK. Here’s the thing, why would they lie about Burke being downstairs? He was Allowed downstairs! Yawn. And then there’s the Fact that the closeted 9 year old Kid, would have coughed up in a nanosecond that he was there when his mother made that 911 call. Why do tabloids print sensational headlines whether true or false? $$$. Why do 'authors' put a book together based on the same information from the magazines & TV shows? $$$. In the U.S., for the past 2 years, newscasts & talk shows have been getting out the info about the DNA again but they don't go into enough detail, too scared to be mobbed I presume. I see on utube, an explosion of podcasters pumping out shows since that time frame. They pump out the Same false & misleading information over & over again like well trained monkeys & many make up more garbage to keep all the Ramsey bashers entertained & Excited to be fired up. DNA is Science & science doesn’t lie. What I notice, is that only the Ramsey bashers Ignore that Scientific evidence. Of course, like soo much of the other Truth around this case, people have cherry picked what they choose to believe but at the same time, the Facts about the DNA are not detailed enough, thorough - being from the 1st week, unknown male DNA mixed with JB's DNA, under both of her pinkie fingernails. That was just the First results & it’s Known - Two unknown male DNA, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from one has been in CODIS since 2003. People don't realise that the cops do Not release the Case Evidence to the media & so, the public have No Idea what the Actual evidence of perpetrators in the house Is, nor do the public know all that Really happened to JB. People need to understand that this crime for money & revenge was very, Very well Planned. Everything was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if they called the cops. Just to clarify, there were Two severe skull fractures that occurred just after JB was strangled to death. Both were Precise & also pre-planned if the cops were called & so, all 3 weapons were at hand. That flashlight was Never a weapon used & did Not belong to the Ramseys. All the Stories about Burke, pineapple & the flashlight grew legs After that Bogus CBS show went to air in 2016. Lots of people Chose to believe that utter Nonsense because they’re not very Bright. FYI - Burke was Never even a suspect & that’s Why, within the Multitude of TV shows before 2016, he was never mentioned because the journos & presenters had No reason/cause to talk about him.
@@bethryan9077 Oh, hello again "Beth Ryan." Were you there when Jon Benet was murdered? Why were Jon Benet's private parts wiped/cleaned? There's only one reason. To destroy DNA from semen. Fibers of the cleaning fabric were found in her labia. Why did the autopsy report indicate signs of se*ual abuse? Why did the detective who was present at the autopsy say there was evidence of se*ual abuse? Did 6 year old Jon Benet consent to having se* with someone? No. She did not. She was raped & had been being raped prior to her murder. Her mother knew it & I suspect her father did as well because he's the most likely person to have been doing it, but it could have been her older half brother. His semen was found on a blanket in the suitcase in the basement. Weird. Wonder how that got there? And why was it being hidden in a suitcase in the basement. Male DNA was found in her underwear. It has not yet been identified, but it will be. Technology is advancing rapidly. This case will be solved & her murderer will be revealed. Since you seem to have an intense emotional connection to this case & intimate insider knowledge of the Ramsey home, family, & the crime itself, perhaps you should have a conversation with the police about it? Can you help solve this heinous crime? Or, are you just going to troll & harass people in the comments until it's finally solved?
after seeing the documentaries etc. i am convinced that that female sasquatch cop that was the first one there and was a friend of the family was involved in this pedo group and may have even been jonbonet's killer. the way she described the situation in front of the camera really comes across to me as the fabrications of a terrible liar who has seen to many hollywood movies.
I don’t see Anyone railing against all those who Make Up from their sick Heads, all the despicable garbage, which is them Accusing JonBenet Herself, of all the Vile incest & paedophile acts that they conjure up with Glee & post proudly. Of the Hundreds of such comments & Stories that I’ve read from such abhorrent so-called human beings, Nobody says a friggin Thing to them. What a National Disgrace. Hang on that’s right, Lots of Other so-called human beings Do say certain things to them, they Agree with them. And because they’re of the exact Same ILK, they’re Bolstered to post Their sick thought processes about the same Vile acts, incest & paedophilia, all about this Child, including 9 year old Burke sometimes & no-one rebukes them in Any way. There was never one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually abused Nor one Skerrick of evidence about Burke either. Yet the Ramseys & their Kids are very cruelly subjected to a round-robin of particularly grotesque accusations that include - child sacrifice, satanic worship scenarios, pedos at the garden parties, selling their child, their friends being Allowed to abuse their child, society members being Allowed to abuse their child including Of Course, Epstein & so on & so on - on it goes, Incessantly. According to the same so-called human beings, because the Ramseys were wealthy for a while, all of the above is what they did with their spare time. Nobody Ever mentions that the Ramseys had deep faith in God & were avid church goers. One can pop over to the many videos about the Chris Watt’s murder case for example. Let me know when you find Anyone who has posted Any comment about Him sexually abusing his little girls Or any other comment about a gang of his friends who did the same & worse. Of all the Hundreds of videos about same subject & victimology, Nobody talks about Any of Those kids as soo many do about This, highly intelligent 6 year old murdered little girl. Shame on you. Yeah for all you victim annihilators John & Patsy must have come across as dumb & dumber hey & obviously both being So dumb, they dropped a trail of breadcrumbs that led straight to Themselves because according to all you Ramsey bashers, apparently they were such absolute Imbeciles, they also had No Idea that Colorado had the Death Penalty. FYI - there are a gross number of people who are murdered in the home when other people are there sleeping. Most of those homes are Not a newly renovated 4 level huge mansion from the 1920s, coal cellar still in situ, no window. There are a gross number of those killers who have Never been Caught. Only JB’s family are Treated so Despicably, by a monstrous number of people in the public domain - being mostly U.S. citizens, of Course. None of you have read ANY Case Evidence, you watch TV & pick out the bits that Suit Your Character. Nobody can state One case with the same circumstances of a murdered child, including where the Parents are such as These parents & wealthy to boot as well. I’ll wait for you to Name that household. Whilst you’re thinking about that, Include the scenario where the parents & kid brother have been drawn & quartered by all you Criminal Geniuses for 26 Years & without even Any mercy for their tortured then murdered Child. THIS family were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago - these Victims who suffered in silence & even More So due to the high number of Monstrous people in the public domain. What part of Exonerated do you Not understand? You should all have a Really good look at Yourselves in the Mirror, the rest of the world sure Is. BTW - Arndt didn't get there til 8.10 a.m. & arrived with detective Patterson. This case has never been to something called a Trial, you kids aren't even smart enough to know that you're getting the never ending False & misleading information from all those who say Whatever for that age old reason - Money. In regards to this case in particular, 99% of the videos turn the info for this case, into one big fat tabloid magazine. Arndt later retracted everything she said for that ludicrous TV interview because she too was another con artist cop Caught out as a Liar.
Arndt was Not the first one there for A Start. She arrived with detective Patterson at 8.10 a.m. She was Not a 'friend of the family'. She put on a Performance for national TV because she too was after a a Book deal. She failed at that also. Being Caught Out as a liar for that embarrassing interview, she later retracted everything she said.
@@bethryan9077 so how do we know the retraction is not the lie? she was obviously lying, but how do we know which parts she lied about? liars tend to sandwich their lies between affordable truths... anyway is there a video that covers this issue specifically?
The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake. Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime. The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass. *NOBODY would try to disguise some letters of their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* Some cops also had moron syndrome. The 2nd Commander put in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. *All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent. **The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. You can find that online. Last year a cold case team were put together & they’re on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both perps’ DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
@@daveyjones5702 The Ramseys were Proven Innocent a Long time ago with a mountain of Actual evidence & by a whole bunch of Actual experts under the umbrella of Law Enforcement, who included expert Seasoned investigators, expert Crime Scene techs & expert DNA & forensic Scientists. These full of the same old BS shows & the making up of more & More lies about this whole family continues because certain people within society are naive, ignorant, envious & plain old stupid, the traits of more than one keystone cop who said Whatever to cover up their Incompetence & who then went on to try & Make Money off the high profile unsolved crime. Isn't it Obvious that soo many just Love to hate on the Ramseys? For no sound Reason At All. You can find this online - *Arndt learned she was wrong and said so a decade later. Yes, Linda Arndt did feel John was a dangerous individual and she was right. At the time of JB's murder and for many years he felt he wanted to torture to death her killer if he got the chance. "There's no way to undo the wrong that was done (to the Ramsey family). But (it was) just to acknowledge what you could or couldn't do, and apologize for any error on my part and to offer myself in any way that was helpful to her." "I'm able to confirm a lot of things that Patsy was maintaining for 10 years," Arndt said. "I think our expectation of the justice system is that you clear 'em or you don't, but you don't leave people hanging in the wind this long - at least, that's my interpretation," Arndt said. "She said 90 percent of the case details have not been disclosed accurately." Full Text LINDA ARNDT: www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/threads/linda-arndt-speaks-with-forked-tongue.6954/
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This is by far the best chanel on truth regarding Jonbenet!!
The lies and misleading directions, lack of investigating and evil that took place!!
Thank you for telling the TRUTH HERE!!
RIP Jonbonet.
Agreed! As owner of a detective and forensic agency you cannot jump to any conclusions without thoroughly investigating all things. Police did a horrible job from the jump. First, THEY SHOULD HAVE FOUND THAT BODY. And it just gets worse from there. Tunnel vision.
@@jacquieroper6479
The investigators were told to stand down from higher ups in the p.dept.
I truly believe some of LE and the DA himself where involved in this child sex ring, always have!! From day one actually.
Steve Thomas was one of few who actually had no idea what was going on.
Same with Linda Arnt.
Notice how both of them where totally destroyed by actually doing their jobs.
Vicksta. Google Educate yourself santanic rituals JonBenet Ramsey will find out about william morris model agency and Jon benet John and Patsy Ramsey, both Freemasons. They're father's freemasons Ramsay's father. James Dudley Ramsey was ahead of the aeronautics commission. He gave Francis Sheldon permission to build a runway straight to North Fox Island Which was a pedophile ring for boys in the 70s.
All private islands all private pilots all pedophiles
Vicksta real worried about nyxkc sketchy details JonBenet I wrote to her several times and never heard back.I hope she's okay for real.She's amazing as well, so is true.Crime rocket science and true crime garage.With the zell brothers right here A lot of great information
@@franceskajacobs2766 Yeah, the only videos that you comment on over & over & for Months, are the ones that spout about incest & child s#xual aspects. Go get Help.
My daughter and I visited CO in the nineties. I agree with everyone who says there is an evil feel to Boulder. I have never forgotten that feeling.
Wow There Appears to be a Lot of Corruption In Boulder, Just how deep does it go ??? 🤔
Im from South Colorado and Boulder is a dark place,rumors have always been told of a child pedophile ring in Boulder,and that those involved were protected and involved with their PD..also in Pueblo,many massage therapists have been arrested for their crimes, weird but true they say..in Pueblo in the 80's a pedophile photographer was arrested ,it was so creepy cuz he was our neighbors brother after that we moved to Texas for years...
Very deep in Co. Just check out the underground that’s
beneath the airport in Denver
@@TresaMoreno-VigilTherapist accusations are real deep in SLC Utah as well. Abuse will always be on-going if predators have a cloak of protection from city officials.
Yeah society has allready collapsed you’d have to be in the country or in the woods to be anywhere decent. Nearly all major cities are riddled with corruption.
Deep enough to keep a certain political candidate of the ballot.
Born and raised in Boulder. I remember the Slusher case. BIG REASON why I didn't go past Cub Scouts. While in Cub Scouts I went to a troop 77 meeting and I didn't feel at all comfortable there.
What was the meeting like?
Been listening to the Zell brothers for awhile now. They're absolutely the best!! Great video.
Why is it the case that only This little girl is subjected to such despicable story telling about incest, sex rings, Satanic ritual sacrifice & pedos at the garden parties? Hmm. I don't see any of this Garbage at the sites about Any other child murder cases. A national Disgrace for the U.S., actually.
Nah, they're just Con Artists on the merry-go-round of making up more & more lies for Book Sales. Doh.
ABSOLUTELY AGREE, 100%
They know Nothing about this case & spout a whole load of extra cheese BS for the purpose of Making Money from all those who aren't very Bright.
@@bethryan9077
THEY KNOW EVERYTHING!
ITS YOU WHO PUSHES YOUR BS. NOT THE TRUTH.
This series is absolutely mind blowing. Thank you!!!!!
Can you please list all states that have these disgusting history of violence against children and families!! Thank you for the deepest dive and information ever provided on the JBR case and those beforehand and after. It really does make more sense why this case was not handled properly. Judges, lawyers and PD all involved… same as in tye current case of Gilgo Beach murders.
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Their investigation should be made into a movie
Yeah for your porno sites.
Yes!😁
It definitely gave me goosebumps, a few different times during the podcast. I don’t think people would have believed it, if Epstein and Diddy hadn’t happened.
They called their friends over to clean up their house before the police got there. Not for “emotional support “
I believe from the evidence that it all leads back to John.
From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public. Two spots of blood were in the big underpants but Never tested.* Steve Thomas was an ex narcotics officer who had No experience with any murder case before, his partner was an auto theft officer & had No experience with a murder case either. Imagine being a parent when you find out That information. Neither of them were at the house on the 26th & only brought in 3 days later because the investigators who Were present at the house & dealt with the case, the family & friends for 3 days, Refused to target the Ramseys. The 2 in command of the BPD had Zero experience with homicide cases, let alone a ransom demand case, which Was the first crime. Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write.
*The Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood in the big underpants that the Perps had put on the child & the DA finally ordered the blood to be analysed. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being his Saliva, mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public.* The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media to cover the Incompetence of more than one of their officers from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys 'factually innocent' due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. The 93 page document of her findings is online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas & Cina Wong, both Scam artists & both Proven LIARS, in more than one court of Law. Cina Wong was Never a Qualified writing analyst At All as Carnes duly noted & she was outed as being any type of 'expert'. The libel case never went to trial, it was dismissed.
Another long held secret by Wong - she had previously sent Patsy an email & stated that she would testify For her, as to Not writing the note. Patsy ignored her, did not reply.
Later on to find her version of fame, Wong put out a video for TV which included Fake writing samples as IF Patsy's writing & letter ‘samples’ & as IF from the police files with her whiteboard list of Fake letters still being put up as pages of two columns on Many fooltube shows. People are soo gullible & that's what Both of those a##wipes Relied upon to - Make Money. Both of them Failed, as have Many since.
All manner of Con Artists came out of the woodwork trying to find their version of fame & to line their own pockets, off the back of this still high profile crime about a child's sadistic torture & very brutal murder that Nobody Talks About because very few have Bothered to Find Out the TRUE Details of everything that was done to this 6 year old little girl. The bottom feeder story tellers keep coming for endless utube ‘shows’, like the plethora of TV shows before, because soo many people are naïve, soo many are easily brainwashed & then the new generations who know even Less. That CBS show put out in 2016 was totally Bogus & that’s why CBS & the whole gang of Paid Pipers were mightily Sued, but it sure put new Ramsey bashers in such a new Frenzy, people don’t even stop & think, that because the case has Never been to Trial, the Case Evidence has Never Been Released & so, y’all know absolutely Nothing, except fairy tales.
*The Ramseys & lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Already being Cleared by the DNA. The DNA from the unknown male’s saliva was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. That DNA continued to clear suspects, then John Mark Karr who said he did it, in 2006. Note that Year. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally officially & Very publicly Exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - the cohort, his DNA on the long-johns also, he is hispanic.*
*Jim Clemente & James Kolar spearheaded that CBS farcical production & every single one of those scumbag Con Artists knew all about the Facts of the DNA. They also knew very well exactly Why the Ramseys were Proven Innocent way back when Most had Forgotten, not born then, too young to Know. They made up that whole story & deliberately went for Burke, knowing that the public did Not know much at all, as is true Today.
And that’s just another reason why CBS & every one of those A##holes were Sued for $750 million. CBS settled the case out of court, to save their investors, some money.*
The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues, with many putting out New made up stories for the titillation factor, now for Views, meaning $$.
The next Commander in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some Integrity & publicly stated in 2015 - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day, Also state that the Ramseys - Are Innocent.*
The previous BPD members still have a Great Deal to Hide about a whole lot of issues besides their Embarrassing failings & will Always tippy toe around like nervous jackrabbits. The current BPD did issue a very basic statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Find that online & read it, Slowly.
What are the cops & the other authority figures for Boulder still keeping secret most of all, to save face plus potentially their retirement packages? The fact that their cops Should have Caught both highly sadistic child killers red-handed in the basement early That morning.
Recently a cold case team were put together & are on the job. They have also been given the go-ahead to have more evidence items sent away for the even More advanced DNA analysis & processes. This team were Not put together to go after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
N.B. The general public need to Comprehend that - NOBODY would try to disguise their Handwriting, by Writing a 365 words & numbers Ransom note & use their Own notepad to do that & then tell the cops, detectives, seasoned homicide investigators & everyone else that they found the 3 pages spread out on one of the rungs of the back staircase - and For The Cops, to have just plopped the sharpie used in the pen cup & put the notepad on the hall table.
The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. This was a very, Very well Planned crime. The organiser took Patsy’s notepad just prior. Simple as That. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that note. The public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing. You may have seen Fake writing & letter ‘samples’ that are exactly the same as the letters in the note. None of those ‘samples’ were Patsys, None of those pages are from the police files. People who want to get rich from books & TV shows, get Ruthless.
There are Many reasons why kidnapping has Always been a rare crime, One has to Think about why that is. The Ramseys did not live in a single storey ranch. That was a Huge 3 storey mansion plus the basement that had multiple rooms & many cupboards - water, a bathroom, heating, a phone & a window to get out of if needed, underground. And Nothing could be heard upstairs. One could exit the basement door & then a door to exit the house without being seen.
This very heinous plan, JB was Never to be taken from the basement. Now y’all can start again & Think for a Change.
There was Never going to be Any justice when absolute Imbeciles were put in charge of this child’s murder case & who had No priority except for covering their Incompetent asses & seeing how they could Profit from it all.
The Only achievement of certain officers within the BPD & specifically Steve Thomas, Linda Arndt & then James Kolar - was to show the whole world what deceitful lying serving police officers Looked Like & the abysmal industry They were Responsible For Starting due to the sum total of Their atrocious behaviour.
Yes, The cult John was/is involved with!!
@@vicksta8875 I don’t see Anyone railing against all those like Yourself who Make Up from their sick Heads, all the despicable garbage, which is them Accusing JonBenet Herself, of all the Vile incest & paedophile acts that they conjure up with Glee & post proudly as YOU Do constantly.
Of the Hundreds of such comments & Stories that I’ve read from such abhorrent so-called human beings, Nobody says a friggin Thing to them. What a National Disgrace.
Hang on that’s right, Lots of Other so-called human beings Do say certain things to them, they Agree with them. And because they’re of the exact Same ILK, they’re Bolstered to post Their sick thought processes about the same Vile acts, incest & paedophilia, all about this Child, including 9 year old Burke sometimes & no-one rebukes them in Any way.
There was never one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually abused Nor one Skerrick of evidence about Burke either. Yet the Ramseys & their Kids are very cruelly subjected to a round-robin of particularly grotesque accusations that include - child sacrifice, satanic worship scenarios, pedos at the garden parties, selling their child, their friends being Allowed to abuse their child, society members being Allowed to abuse their child including Of Course, Epstein & so on & so on - on it goes, Incessantly.
According to the same so-called human beings, because the Ramseys were wealthy for a while, all of the above is what they did with their spare time.
Nobody Ever mentions that the Ramseys had deep faith in God & were avid church goers.
One can pop over to the many videos about the Chris Watt’s murder case for example. Let me know when you find Anyone who has posted Any comment about Him sexually abusing his little girls Or any other comment about a gang of his friends who did the same & worse.
Of all the Hundreds of videos about same subject & victimology, Nobody talks about Any of Those kids as soo many do about This, highly intelligent 6 year old murdered little girl.
Shame on you.
@@vicksta8875 Absolutely correct freemason
@@vicksta8875 I don’t see Anyone railing against all those like You who Make Up from their sick Heads, all the despicable garbage, which is them Accusing JonBenet Herself, of all the Vile incest & paedophile acts that they conjure up with Glee & post proudly as YOU Do constantly.
Of the Hundreds of such comments & Stories that I’ve read from such abhorrent so-called human beings, Nobody says a friggin Thing to them. What a National Disgrace.
Hang on that’s right, Lots of Other so-called human beings Do say certain things to them, they Agree with them. And because they’re of the exact Same ILK, they’re Bolstered to post Their sick thought processes about the same Vile acts, incest & paedophilia, all about this Child, including 9 year old Burke sometimes & no-one rebukes them in Any way.
There was never one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually abused Nor one Skerrick of evidence about Burke either. Yet the Ramseys & their Kids are very cruelly subjected to a round-robin of particularly grotesque accusations that include - child sacrifice, satanic worship scenarios, pedos at the garden parties, selling their child, their friends being Allowed to abuse their child, society members being Allowed to abuse their child including Of Course, Epstein & so on & so on - on it goes, Incessantly.
According to the same so-called human beings, because the Ramseys were wealthy for a while, all of the above is what they did with their spare time.
Nobody Ever mentions that the Ramseys had deep faith in God & were avid church goers.
One can pop over to the many videos about the Chris Watt’s murder case for example. Let me know when you find Anyone who has posted Any comment about Him sexually abusing his little girls Or any other comment about a gang of his friends who did the same & worse.
Of all the Hundreds of videos about same subject & victimology, Nobody talks about Any of Those kids as soo many do about This, highly intelligent 6 year old murdered little girl.
Shame on you.
It’s pretty obvious that something happened with that police department. The crime scene was not cordoned off rather it was a kidnapping and or a murder that you have to investigate and look around the house etc. so you got you got to shut the place down they invited bunches of people over somebody told him exactly what to do to to mock things and cloud things up in the police didn’t stop them and that female detective Was left there alone and called again and again and again for help and nobody came even after telling them it was a murder a murder scene and she said on an interview don’t never forget this that one John Ramsey brought the body up. They looked at each other and locked eyes and she brought her gun into her that she said she was scared because she didn’t know who was going to be alive by the end of that day now I’ve John Ramsey has something to do with this and knows he’s going to get away with it he I could see him looking at her with a cold stair like how dare you
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When the police first went into the Ramsey house the bigwigs told them that the parents were victims and treat them accordingly..Rich,well known,they got treated like royalty. If they had of been taken in that same day and grilled separately and Bourke and kept it there would have been a different outcome!
@@berniehayes8425 The Ramseys were up so early that morning because they were to head to their holiday house in Charlevoix on their private plane. It was before 6 a.m., pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Who would know how long the cops would take to get there. After that desperate but very frustrating 911 call, Patsy called the Whites & the Fernies - for Help, who lived Close By. John Fernie later called their pastor for prayers & comfort, it was going to be a long wait, the note said Tomorrow. BTW - the Cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come who also arrived early that morning. The Ramseys did Nothing to themselves by way of ‘how they acted’ at all & the 8 cops & detectives Present that day, had No problems believing they were Genuine. Officer Rick French was the first person & officer to arrive, within 6 minutes of the Start of the 911 call. He saw that Patsy was near hysterical & at point of collapse & he had her & John sit in the sunroom. He did a cursory look around then officer Veitch arrived.. Of the 8 cops & detectives who arrived at various times that morning, nobody was searching for JB, it was a Ransom note. Except for Arndt, all were gone by about 10.30 a.m.
Linda Arndt didn't arrive til 8.10 a.m. & With detective Patterson. At different times early that morning, 3 cops were tasked with checking entry & exit points only, all 3 Failed at that job. 2 of those 3 officers plus one taking photos went down the basement at different times, all 3 failed to flip the latch down on the top of the cellar door, pull open the door & go in. All 3 saw gear in front of the train room door & by-passed that door, as did Fleet White. The broken window is Not where the perps entered the house, but the BPD went to great lengths to make sure that the public Still don’t know that Their cops didn’t even know about that window til that Evening, when they went back. That’s why the ‘famous’ photo of the open window, shows that it was taken in the Night.
Arndt wrote a Favourable report about the Ramseys & said their behaviour was appropriate to the circumstances. The media went into a Frenzy because the child was found murdered in the home after 1 pm., when many cops had been there for Many hours. The BPD then went into damage control to save their Own asses & so the BS began. What better way to shut the Ramseys up about the cops’ Failings that morning than to throw mud at the Ramseys & they used the Media to do that. Within one week, the Ramseys were ducking for cover & the cops were cleaning their nails.
Many weeks later, Arndt was put on desk duties, didn’t like that & quit. Her next job was as a tree lopper.
*It was the lousy Cops who should have found JB & early that morning, Not her poor father that afternoon & he did Not go ‘straight to the cellar’.
Arndt tried to sue the BPD for Money but the lost the case. Next - she had great acting lessons for that Performance on national TV because she was after a book deal Too.. Her report to the BPD was in the public domain due to the court case & so, she was Caught as a Liar & later retracted all she said in that abysmal interview on national TV. Somewhere along the line she had Regret at least & when Patsy was dying, Arndt went to see her & apologised for all she had said for the TV audience & vowed to do all she could to help find the killer.
Due to Arndt’s stories in that hilarious interview - many of the public believe that Arndt was the first officer at the scene & many believe she was the Only officer at the house all day when That is not true either, but her & the BPD are more than happy for the public to believe That BS as Well. It was Her who carried the body to the living room rug near the Xmas tree.
Arndt knew Full Well the note said Tomorrow but deliberately didn’t mention That either - for her breakout debut with a numbskull reporter whose only job was to try & keep a straight face.
The Ramseys gave the cops free reign to their house from the minute officer French walked in the door because they had Nothing to hide. They spoke separately to the cops & detectives in total, for Hours that morning & after JB was found. Burke was interviewed when still at the Whites at 2 p.m. by detective Patterson, Neither parent was present, nor did they know that was happening. John spoke with the Ds that night, Patsy was bedridden by then. Arndt asked John for them to go to the PD on the 28th. The Ramseys had already witnessed how inept the cops Were & John hired a private investigator straight away. All Ramseys gave the required samples & John spoke to the Ds for 2 hours again that day. They did Everything the cops asked them to do. John asked Eller to speak to Patsy at the house where they were staying because she was so ill & medicated, Eller refused to do that. Steve Thomas was brought in because the Present investigators refused to target the Ramseys. Thomas was an ex-narcotics officer & had No experience with Any murder case before & thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. Thomas constantly talked about the Book he was going to write & if anyone went against His theory, they were ridiculed & ostracized. The BPD rarely had a murder & this was the first for '96. The next 2 up the ladder had No experience with homicide Either. The BPD refused help from the FBI, the CBI & the Denver PD. The Present investigators had No concerns about deception but Then the body was found in the house. False & misleading information was being leaked to the media. The cops were made to publicly Apologise later for saying there were no footprints in the snow, but the damage was done. It didn’t even snow that night & old snow at the front Only. The Ramseys were told they were being targeted & advised to get lawyers. Very sound advice & the Right of All citizens. The talk was through the lawyers then, That's how it Goes. The Ramseys organised to do the Formal interview for when they returned from Atlanta burying their daughter, the cops cancelled that interview as they did more than once. It didn’t go ahead til April, big Deal. Loads of people don’t do formal interviews At All & lots don’t speak to the cops Ever. The Ramseys still had Nothing to Hide & they went on national TV soo many times, nobody can count the number up right. Being interviewed by all & sundry & being asked about the same Hurtful aspects over & over again whilst being Accused & being open to the scrutiny of all the loons to squawk about every blink of an eye, while the ever accusing keystone cops were doing Jackshit trying to find the sadistic murderer of their child. John went on to hire 3 more private investigators. The Ramseys went broke trying to find who murdered their child & hoped to Save another. When the money ran out, many Seasoned investigators continued the search Unpaid. Not one of them have written a Book. *What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on National TV & for Years? NONE. And John continued that after Patsy died. He & John Andrew continue to this day.* The current info about the DNA has been national news for over 2 years, only the highly ignorant Ramsey bashers ignore that Scientific evidence. CeCe Moore has publicly weighed in on this case, asking for the DNA evidence items.
To save him from the Trauma going on downstairs, Burke was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m., where their kids were present & some adult relatives. Burke was actually interviewed that very afternoon there at about 2 p.m., by detective Patterson who was at the Ramsey's house that morning. Neither of his parents were present for that interview that was recorded, nor did they know that was happening. Burke was taken to where the parents were at their friend's house & John told him then that JB was deceased. After that interview with Dr Phil & then the abysmal fall-out after that despicable Bogus CBS show was aired after that also in 2016, Patterson publicly defended Burke & stated on national TV that he’d conducted an interview with 9 year old Burke & he didn't know Anything at all & he’d been very worried that his little sister was still missing.
Burke was interviewed again 10 days later by a police child service's officer, that took Hours. No lawyer or parents were with him & his parents had Allowed that interview to take place. The public have seen a few snippets of that interview, from shows on utube, the 'bits' that suit the agenda of the channels. Same in relation to the interview with a detective when Burke was 11. That went on over 2 days, no lawyer nor his parents were with him & again, his parents Allowed that interview to take place.
Then, the poor Kid received a Subpoena to appear before the grand jury & off he went to do that Also, neither parent present & NO Lawyer there Either.
One needs to think about the Major Players behind this made up Saga of who did what - Steve Thomas put it all on Patsy, Linda Arndt decided Later that she’d blame John & James Kolar chose Burke - neither of these so-called 'police' had Ever worked a murder case before or after but, they were all about writing a Book. Each one put their mugs on National TV, trying for fame & fortune, they Failed at that job also. All 3 are such an Embarrassment for law enforcement around the world & then there’s the Fact that they’re all Proven liars.
Linda Arndt was also a really bad actress.
@@bethryan9077
PLEASE GO WRITE YOUR BS BOOK
ELSEWHERE!! 🤦♀️
Who knew who ? I agree, that should have been looked into with the Ramseys.
I think the Ramsey's should have been investigated regarding to child pornography and child sex ring.The District Attorney Alex Hunter should be investigated as well.
I would venture to say there are numerous politicians,judges, police, attorneys, physcians and most deffinately clergy.
I believe Burke and Patsy are innocent. Burke and Jon Bennett wet the bed. A sign of trauma.
You are 100% ready to read John DeCamp's "The Franklin Cover Up."
@@IhaveMy0pinion Burke was Not wetting the bed & JB rarely did. Why do you people believe everything you read off the back of your cereal boxes? The Ramseys were a very loving family. Jealous much?
@@readdeeply9278 Does it come with a tin hat?
SEVEN different physicians testified that JonBenét was a victim of long-term sexual abuse, but you NEVER want to mention that!
I'm diving deep down True Crime Garage's rabbithole that is the tragic Jon Benet Ramsey case. Sad, very sad, but intriguing perspectives here nonetheless.
Well hopefully it will get solved and get justice for jonbenet
Main evidence - lack of any fingerprints on the letter. If an intruder wrote it why Patsy didn't leave any fingerprints while reading it ? Its over doing . She wore gloves to write it, put it on stairs then took gloves off. She got that wrong 😂 Anybody belives she got up , saw some letter on stairs and wore gloves to read it? 😂 Don't think so. 😊
It is a Fact that it's not very often that cops get fingerprints off anything. John had just got out the shower & Patsy had just washed, applied make-up, washed again & put on hand cream. The Ramseys were Proven Innocent way back when the wheel was invented, these shitshows keep coming because so many people love to Hate on this family hey. Clearly the sadistic torture of this child that was on & off over a period of Hours, then the very brutal murder, doesn't matter at all. It's all about poor Patsy, obviously. She was way too beautiful & way too classy, wasn't she. Keep on with your very childish emojis, the jokes on You.
One of my favorite sayings is that lack of evidence can be as damning as evidence itself. Some things SHOULD be there.
@@readdeeply9278 Obviously you don't read very well &/or have poor comprehensions skills, see if an adult can help you out with this - The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing.
From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost.
Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake.
Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime.
The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA.
The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
*NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!*
The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent.
**The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly.
Recently a cold case team were put together & are on the job. They also have the go-ahead to submit more evidence items for Advanced DNA & forensic analysis. The FBI are finally involved in the investigation also. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
Beth the Ramsey bot 😂
Sick people have not been jailed seems to have gone on for many years
Frank from Quite Frankly sent me here.
Me too
Boulder was a haven in 1996. HENCE, why the Ramsey's and their close couples moved there all at the same time
Let me break this down for people. Regarding one John Andrew, the eldest son of John's and Jonbenet's half-brother who was 19 at the time. There's a suitcase in the basement, under the busted window, and in close proximity to the body, the contents of the suitcase, a semen stained blanket with a Dr. Seuss book, both belonging to one John Andrew, fibers from that blanket on her thighs. An eyewitness who knew the family well, one Joe Barnhill originally stated he saw John Andrew on Xmas day. And people seem to forget right off the bat John Andrew was being looked at as a suspect, that only changed via entrance of John Ramsey threatening the Boulder PD to back off John Andrew or he wouldn't cooperate, so the "clearing" of John Andrew was haphazard and under the force of threat, and remember even the original detectives stated this as did Alex Hunter, "someone cleared, can be uncleared" How about this. John Andrew's bedroom was right next to Jonbenet's and out of all the rooms in that giant home, besides the wine cellar where she was ''found'' his room was of particular interest to investigators, questions to Patsy regarding John Andrew and his bedroom, and IMO Patsy lied. She was asked a very basic question regarding John Andrew when he was "last at the home" and she couldn't recall, couldn't even ballpark it, well, that's a lie, BECAUSE HE LIVED THERE, AND ATTENDED THE COLLEGE. Here's another interesting thing, in Linda Arndt's report, it stated that John Andrew was on John's private plane, but that plane was supposed to be fueled up and ready for the early trip to Michigan, there were many inconsistencies regarding commercial flights, and flight logs at the airport etc, even John was caught by the detectives 20 mins after finding the body on the phone with his pilot Mike Archuleta needing to rush down to Atlanta, why? Was it to lawyer up his ex wife Lucinda? Along with John Andrew and Melinda? Because he did that, and fast mind you. John Andrew's alibi's that night, a movie ticket stub, family vouching for him, and a ATM transaction receipt, all produced 3 months later mind you. A private plane from Boulder to Atlanta? 3 hours, and the time two hour time difference from Rocky Mountain to Atlanta one could of easily been jetted out of town that very night. Think about this, as if this isn't enough already, if you're John Ramsey, the head of a billion dollar co. for a major defence contractor do you think that person or that pilot is going to log a flight if a major crime has just been committed? So all this crap about Steve Thomas checking flight logs is nonsense along with every other aspect of this case and the handling of this case. And who's to say that John Ramsey didn't have Government clearance! Why is Melinda's palm print on the wine cellar door? Why is it John Andrew waits 24 years to come out publicly to show his support for the case? 24 years! TO me that looks like it was getting suspicious him hiding behind closed doors and it was a strategic move to come out, and Melina till this very day still hasn't come out publicly, not one half assed public attempt to show she cares for her slain half-sister, privacy is one thing, avoiding the cameras is another thing, staying hidden for close to 30 years is calculated and cold and suspicious. Joe Barnhill the neighbor that knew the family well, he later changed his original testimony to police about seeing John Andrew, he went from knowing the family well and "seeing John Andrew" to recanting and saying that "he wouldn't even be able to point John Andrew out in a room full of people" WOW, ok. Seems to me or any logical thinking person that pressure or even threats reached Joe Barnhill and he knew self preservation was more important, it happens to witnesses all the time, they realize the magnitude of their comments could be life threatening so they recant out of fear or just flat out go quiet. Interesting because another witness did the same thing, one Melinda Stanton who "heard the loud scream from a child" she changed her story from that to "feeling a spiritual energy emanating from Jonbenet lol OK, yeah right. They also found rope in his room, which could be innocent but it does indicate he knows knots, being the "outdoorsman" that he proclaimed to be. Even Sloan Bella gives a very interesting take on John Andrew being groomed by John in that sick world of abuse of children. I usually don't put too much stock in what Psychics say but she makes some really intelligent thoughts on it. And that answers my million dollar question as to why John Ramsey continues to lie and protect the person[s] involved in this case, why? John's 80 years old still going on TV shows and attending crime conventions acting as if he wants to find the killer[s] BUT HE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED, so why is he still covering it up? Was it because he was complicit and involved in some way? And so was his son? I get fear playing a factor, fear of outing such people, but as he closes in on the last stage of his life and his little daughter is dead and without justice and exploited every year by the media don't you think a loving father would have some courage, some balls and finally end this nonsense and tell what happened? He won't do it. Why? Why is that? The John Andrew aspect is a big thing IMO that needs to be studied more. Why was Mike Archuleta, the pilot, his marriage dissolved due to this case, why? Was it because he was party to a cover-up? Accessory to murder? Did he whisk someone out of Boulder that night? How's this for another thought, the same last name of the John's pilot was the same last name of the 911 dispatcher who took the call from Patsy, and Archuleta isn't a common name lol. There's even photos of John Andrew on major networks that have him cropped out of the photos, why? He and his buddy apparently were at the movies that night, and makes me wonder did they do the crime and botch a kidnapping? Tried to extort daddy for some money? Did they get their ideas from movies? Ransom? Nick of Time? etc, the ransom note is littered with movie quotes and even Patsy said the note looked like it was penned by a young person who liked movies. Think about it. Look at John Andrews first interviews 24 years later, he looks like the cat that swallowed the canary. And perhaps all this other stuff is true regarding the church and the community and circles of friends they were with but what if it was a situation that the son was involved in and it got out of hand and daddy covered it up. She was being abused prior to the murder, most likely. Seems o me the family is so ashamed of being involved in that they are willing to go to the grave with the truth. In other words they would come out. I'm not buying fear is why they won't talk, not close to 30 years later I'm not. There was something going on that included the family as a whole of known sick practices of abuses of children. Even the investigators found the Dictionary, A COLLEGIATE Dictionary with the page where 'Incest' was bookmarked, or creased. COLLEGIATE. think of that.
Well said, and Agree.
The Rope in JAs room was used to hang JB. The large "hematoma" red circle, on her throat was caused by" Hanging"..
How a Pathologist can screw that up, along with NOT seeing those were CLEAR Stungun Markings on JB is utterly disgusting!
Shame on that Pathologist who was paid off or threatened to tell a bs lie.
I'm in the medical field and can tell everyone, THOSE are Stungun marks! Period!
Same with the clear identification Markings on her throat, of a hanging!
So upsetting and beyond insane John still flaps his lying mouth!!!
He's a POS
@@vicksta8875 he's now 80 close to death still protecting a murderer and predators as his daughter is dead in the ground he is a scumbag
Daddy and his friends regularly helped themselves to poor little JonBenet. Everybody in town figured out back then, (i lived there, down the st) especially when the DA allowed the case to be dismissed after JOHN was indicted by a Grand Jury. Do the math.
@@FreshGrey-pm4vw Jesus Christ .. the thought of that makes me sick, and that's why I think John continues to play stupid and act as if he doesn't know what happened, it's because he was complicit in some way, he and his buddy fleet White are the two suspects I think, I also think Fleets guests from California were involved and I think Nancy krebs gave us a very real likely scenario as to what happened, think about this, the ransom note is littered with movie quotes, well bill cox one of the men staying at fleets said they watched that movie, and the movie was about a little girl, same age as jonbenet who gets kidnapped, and the opening line in the ransom note is LISTEN CAREFULLY, the line from the movie where Johnny Depp has the gun to the last politician in the hotel room
Don't forget the Plane left on her graveside. The photographer might have placed it, sure. But the story was, it appeared one time around her birthday or something.
I agree. The JAR theory shd be seriously considered.
But all of this STILL doesn't exclude the fact that John and Patsy BOTH know what happened to their daughter and yet PROTECT AND CONCEAL a predator and a murderer, what's the deal with that? I'm supposed to believe almost 30 years later John who's like 80 is still protecting the suspect[s] out of fear? He still goes on tv shows and attends crime conventions acting as if wants to find the killer yet he knows, so think about how disgraceful and disrespectful that is to his daughters memory. HE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED AND WHO DID IT.
I've long been of the opinion that JBR's death was somehow an inside job, but at the same time wondered why her father is spending so much time trying to pin the crime on the 'suspect of the month' now that any chance of prosecution seems long dead . This info, if connected, would make that behavior much more logical.
Hunter is a fixer, a gatekeeper. He was put their to handle these cases on behalf of wealthy families. Sick.
Amazing information ty blessings gentleman
These parents are guilty as they come.
Correct.how many times did the parents change the narrative. Every time they opened their mouths they changed the narrative..IF the parents didn't do it they definitely knew who did . From the start they denied any sexual assault etc on jb..but once the story changed to the possibility of a sexual predator the Ramseys ran with that!! Red flags everywhere..
INSIDE JOB PATSY WROTE THE NOTE RAMSEYS SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN EXONERATED PERIOD
She was forced to. Patsy was victimized too.
Unknown Male DNA ❤
So not convinced of that.
@@carolbaughan8768not on ransom note
@@carolbaughan8768lol it was "TOUCH" DNA . Not sperm, not blood etc. Its from some factory worker who was packing the underwear. Another question - why Patsy didn't leave any fingerprints on the note while reading it? She just over did it. Wore gloves while writing the note , left it on stairs , never touched it later. If an intruder wrote it Patsys fingerprints WOULD be on it. And Johns .
Excellent .
Job Well Done
I do not doubt the cops were in on it! Power corrupts!
I pity all those who watch a TV show & believe it all. Jeez.
Jeffjones 100 percent and Alex Hunter corupt John Ramsey and his dad All Freemason sick and dark google William Morris model agency Also, John Ramsay's father, James Dudley Ramsey was ahead of the aeronautics commission in the 70s. He gave Francis Sheldon permission to build a runway to North Fox Island which was a pedophile ring for boys. That's a fact all pedophiles. All private Islands, all private pilots.
I agree Jeff
@@dianegibson2424 Yeah all cops collude when it comes to the murder of all citizens hey. Yawn.
_Zell bros!_ 👍👍
Ive always believed that JR was abusing his daughter she had proof of long term anuse..I pray the goid Lord JESUS expose thise invilved so she can rest in peace
I don’t see Anyone railing against all those who Make Up from their sick Heads, all the despicable garbage, which is them Accusing JonBenet Herself, of all the Vile incest & paedophile acts that they conjure up with Glee & post proudly.
Of the Hundreds of such comments & Stories that I’ve read from these abhorrent so-called human beings, Nobody says a friggin Thing to them. What a National Disgrace.
Hang on that’s right, Lots of Other so-called human beings Do say certain things to them, they Agree with them. And because they’re of the Same Ilk, they’re Bolstered to post Their sick thought processes about the same Vile acts, incest & paedophilia, all about this Child, including 9 year old Burke sometimes & no-one rebukes them in Any way.
There was never one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually molested Nor one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually abused. Not one Skerrick about Burke either. Yet the Ramseys & their Kids are very cruelly subjected to a round-robin of particularly grotesque accusations that include - child sacrifice, satanic worship scenarios, pedos at the garden parties, selling their child, their friends being Allowed to abuse their child, society members being Allowed to abuse their child including Of Course, Epstein & so on & so on - on it goes, Incessantly.
According to the same so-called human beings, because the Ramseys were wealthy at the time, all of the above is what they did with their spare time.
Nobody Ever mentions that the Ramseys had deep faith in God & were avid church goers.
One can pop over to the many videos about the Chris Watt’s murder case. Let me know when you find Anyone who has posted Any comment about Him sexually abusing his little girls Or any other comment about a gang of his friends who did the same & worse.
Of all the Hundreds of videos about same subject & victimology, Nobody talks about Any of Those kids as soo many do about This, highly intelligent 6 year old murdered little girl.
Shame on you.
@@bethryan9077there actually was evidence of long term and recent SA to JB.
@@redxfingernails No there was Not, that's just More despicable Lies about this Child for sick a##wipes to get off on & so all the degenerate Fantasy made up stories about pedo parties, incest scenarios, satanic worship nights & sex rings at the garden parties. The two perpetrators who tortured JB on & off for Hours with that complex made Bondage Device are responsible for committing vile acts upon her & so, bleeding from the vagina due to more than one implement, some swelling & a bit of redness inside. I know the Exact details of what else & what with. Their DNA, several places on her person. The saliva from one has been in CODIS since 2003. Nothing happened to this beautiful child previously At All. The authentic autopsy report can be found online, the 1st of 9 pages has the symbol for Boulder County, top left corner. A cold case team were put together months ago & are hard at work. They have been given the go-ahead to send the DNA from both perps for updated technology work & untested evidence items are being released from the BPD's hands for same. The FBI are involved in this investigation, finally.
There was Zero evidence let alone proof, of any abuse let alone long term. But anything in relation to This poor little girl & s#x anything is Great entertainment for those with pedo & incest thought processes.
@@bethryan9077Not true. She was se*ually abused. Raped. By a grown man.
I always knew it was Satanic!
LMAO. Doh.
Can't have Satan without Christianity...
Well something was not right with the ramsey children i thougt it was the father but he was away a lot so did the days when he was away match urine infections or trips to doctor who may be in a ring as well to go on that long i feal the childen were at risk it just my opiionr
Another area that needs investigation is that mess in Henryetta Oklahoma...Swept right the F under the rug.
Never heard of it, can you elaborate?
Yes..In a home w/acreage Man shot seven , then offed himself..found shackles, signs of child porn in the home....other bondage items. Swept under the rug by media and police...:( More going on in many an opinion than one loony tune going crazy...Had ties to the court system there.😡 @@deliajones9541
Franklin Cover-up Franklin Kansas
@@bluesky6985thought that was in Nebraska?
@@manicmode Could be it's been awhile since I listened to it.
Unfortunately this case will never be solved. Like the Lindberg case its all speculative. Tje only chance for justice was the grand jurirs indictment that Hunter refused to prosecute. After all the time hours & money spent he chose to honor the grand juries vote for indictment. Shameful miscarriage of justice on every level.
Like this case, loads of so-called 'authors' & fooltube shows pump out the same old garbage 'information' for the simple-minded within our societies to get off on, for that age old reason - Money. Deary, Hauptmann didn't get over $14,000 in gold dollars from the fn Tooth Fairy.
it is curious how out of all the info out there on this case is the success of John Ramsey's business. who helped him succeed to the higgest levels- who did he piss off in thise business circles
I had never heard this before. Holy 🥑
I was a first year teacher and had Alex Hunter's daughter in school in Boulder in 1998. I met him at parent's night. I will never forget it!!
whaat were your thoughts about Hunter at the time? impressions?
Are you going to elaborate ?
Many of our parents were the very weatlhy and influential people of Boulder. He didn't stand out among other parents, but I remember being so nervous as he was so well known. He was very professional, friendly. Living in Boulder during and after the murder, the coverage was non-stop and presence of press was constant. I still follow the case to this day.
Was this all discovered in the beginning prior to 1974??? There were NO CHILD ABUSE LAWS UNTIL 1974!!!!
@@emilylintott2413
He has a very shady past.
Patsy wrote letter see the coorelation between the letter and her favorite play, The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie. Solved
Im so tired of people blaming the parents.
Finally, somebody is making sense of this case! The police were in on it. I saw that from the beginning.
Read the ransome note, again. Look at the actions that the killer claimed they would do.
The ransome note said they had control of the police.
The ransome note also said that they were going to hold their daughter for burial. (Ding! Ding! Ding! The police did that!)
Yes, I believe Thomas Colby and Alex Hunter were a PART of the pedo Ring
I've been worried to say it but since you have-I agree with your thought's about this case and the police.All it take's is one bad apple to upset the cart/case.
Yet John and Patsy put their children in this Cult.
So, they didn't unlive her, but KNOWS HOW, WHEN, WHERE AND WHO!!
SO, YES... THEY ARE TO BLAME 100%.👿
ALEX HUNTER MARY LACY PARASITES 4REAL
I th8nk common sense is needed. THE ONLY REASON EVERYTHING WAS SWEPT UNDER THE RUG WAS TO SAVE THEIR OWN ASSES
The Ballard case you mentioned, were they Mormons by any chance?
I believe they did attend a Mormon Church
William Morris modeling agency
Boulder I was told allows drug cartels and party's too
lol sure
Frank and The Franklys/ Franciscans sent me!!
Great channel, but the intro ‘music’ really, really sucks
😮 wow...just wow😮
This is one of my personal expressions. It's like Watergate or a rotten onion.
John Ramsey Freemason evil
Check out Deception Detective
That guy is an arrogant prick, imo.
21:23 Marcia Dunnan
Money covered them and payoffs.
Very ironic that Chris Watts and his wifeat the time Shanann Both worked at Longmont Ford
Botched and or totally cant expect boulder pd to worknon Christmas
John did this alone. Patsy and Burke are innocent. Look at the evidence it all leads back to John.
If by John you mean Fleet White lol
John wrote the note?
@@melsafken764 yes, when you look at the individual letters you can see that it's Johns handwriting . a+l especially..... John knew how to make a garot and different types of knots. John wrote in his book that Patsy had no idea what amount of bonus he had. John tore the tape off Jon Benets mouth. John carried her covered little body upstairs and put her on the floor. John wrote many times in the note saying ...if you contact police your daughter will be killed.... Patsy read...we have kidnapped your daughter... Patsy called police... John wrongly assumed Patsy had read 3 pages but she didn't and now police were coming to the house.... John changed his plan to messing up the crime scene... Johns original plan was to fly Burke and Patsy to their other house then fly back to get rid of her little body and no police....Patsy and Burke never had knowledge.
@@IhaveMy0pinion Firstly, John did what Any normal person would have done & took the tape off the child's mouth. He then did what Any normal father would have done & raced upstairs with his child, hoping she could be Saved. Linda Arndt had heard him cry out from the basement & she was near the top of the stairs when he came through the door with his child & she told him to put the body down, which was on the tiles in the foyer. She checked the child & told John she was deceased then She carried the body to the living room near the Xmas tree. Patsy did not know about John's bonus which was for end of year '95, paid to him in March '96 & that amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96, that were in his home office.
The Ramseys were Proven Innocent way back when the wheel was invented, you delusional nobodies Really need to get over yourselves but hey, you're all paying for these never ending shows full of the same old BS to keep on keeping on.
The rest of your highly Ignorant garbage about John is Not true. Now run along & try to Grow Up asap hey.
@@melsafken764 The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing.
From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost.
Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake.
Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime.
The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA.
The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
*NOBODY would Write 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!*
The next Commander in charge by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
*The naive & the ignorant need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent.
**The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it.
Recently a cold case team were put together & are on the job. They also have the go-ahead to submit more evidence items for Advanced DNA & forensic analysis. The FBI are finally involved in the investigation also. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
A guy here tied up beat n killed a littlr girl later fleeing to colorado, he ran a cp ring was recently caught after 26 yrs ...he killed her in 93 or 94 then went an hour from boulder....this all really comes together.....actual crime was similar....
I still think a family member did it
Go get the clergy members DNBA again to make sure this person is cleared!!!!!!😊
This is all reminding me of johnny gosch case ...
I absolutely believe one or both parents are responsible. These here sound like nonsense conspiracy theories
NO WAY!
Cover up by parents for the crime of their disturbed son PERIOD
Did you even listen to this. If you did you'd wake up!
They will never solve this case
The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing.
From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost.
Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake.
Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime.
The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA.
The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
*NOBODY would try to disguise some letters of their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* Some cops also had moron syndrome.
The 2nd Commander put in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent.
**The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. Go find that online & read it Slowly.
*Last year a cold case team were put together & they’re on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both perps’ DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.*
How do you have so much info? Don’t have to be specific but a lot of the stuff you say is not common knowledge but it does make sense.
The DNA found in JB underwear don't match anyone in the family. Funny how everyone has all the answers. I don't think the family had a damn thing to do with it.
Its more than obvious that the Jonbenet's parents staged the kidnapping and murder to cover for their son who had killed her in a fit of rage. Whether there was prior involvement in what you are reporting here is irrelevant when it comes to the cause of her demise.
Just because things were uncovered during an investigation into the Ramsey case, it doesn't mean that both things are related.
It's not at all surprising that someone like you would be more comfortable with blaming JonBenet's murder on a child rather than on an adult.
@@79bewareofpuppies97they're too lazy to research.
@@EnliveningJusticeor they're covering up. Gatekeeping.
They didn't need to go to such lengths to protect a child over 'an accident'. That story is unbelievable.
@@79bewareofpuppies97 someone like me? Wtf is that supposed to mean? You don't know me.
What a troll.
So……Patty wrote the 3 page ransom note……Burke bashed her head in……and her dad garroted her to death?
That’s the version that makes the most sense ?
No... Jonbenet wasn't killed at home. She was killed at the pedo party. Then brought home. Washed, wiped down, redressed and put in the basement.
Somebody tell the TCG guys that the name is OLIVA, not OLIVIA...
Did i miss the poems?
Please listen to all three segments.
@@EnliveningJustice I did...after realizing there were other parts. ;)
It's a 3 part series. This is part I.
@@JBRTipszell-ws1tn I'm slow, eventually caught on! Lol thx friend
Some info from previous replies is repeated but you will see why I did that. *That Xmas letter which included 'and hence', was sent to Lots of people including the Barnhills, where Glenn Meyer was living in their basement apartment across the road. The Ramseys didn't even know he was living there & had been for some time yet, the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy had given the Barnhills Lots of letters, notes & cards over the years. It is Easy to copy one’s print writing. JB's little dog was kept over there. Meyer got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. Meyer organised this crime for money & then with 3 other degenerates, it was also for revenge. Meyer was the author of the note. Meyer took himself over to the kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd. He knocked on the door saying he was looking for the Barnhills. He said he was very worried about them & John took to him to where they were & he stayed. He didn't even tell John Then, that he was living across the road in the Barnhill's basement because it was a Secret. The Barnhills didn't introduce him to the Ramseys. John said later that he thought Meyer was a friend of the Barnhills who had just arrived from out of town to visit them for Xmas. Patsy's father offered him food. Patsy didn't see him there, obviously he wasn't there long At All. He made the 911 hang-up call, a test run to see how long the cops might take to get to that address & there was another reason but also, at the same time, that Anonymous call was going to cause the Ramseys trouble later because nobody at their party dialled that number. Meyer took the notepad Then, simple stuff actually. The marker belonged to Him. Patsy used to buy those notepads in packs of 5 from the local store. She & John had one each. Meyer's cohorts lived just down the road on the corner. Two of them got in the house via the kitchen door when the Ramsey's left for the White's Xmas dinner party. They had broken in before & that's why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. Steve Thomas the Twit had Never worked a murder case before & neither had his partner. The 2 In Charge at that keystone cop shop they call the Boulder Police Department had Never worked a homicide case either - let alone a Very well planned Ransom case.
In relation to their interview with Larry King & Steve Thomas, May 31st, 2000 - *When Patsy & John were talking about the unknown male DNA that was under JB's fingernails & in her underpants, They didn't know that the underpants were from the pack of 7 that Patsy had bought for her niece for Xmas from Bloomingdales. The ones that had the weekdays on the waistband. The ones that were called Bloomies & were size 12-14. The ones that were brand new & still in the packet. The ones that Patsy had put in JB's bathroom vanity cabinet at the back of a drawer til she was big enough to fit into them, about 8 Years away. Patsy had bought JB 2 special Barbie dolls from Bloomingdales also. One of the dolls had her own pair of underpants, also called Bloomies. JB wanted the underpants like her doll & begged her mother for that pack of 7 & Patsy gave in. JB went over to the Barnhills when they got back & she told the Barnhills about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. When Patsy & John were talking about the unknown male DNA that was under JB's fingernails & in the underpants, They didn't know that the perps had put a pair of Those huge underpants on their daughter when they had her in the basement. Patsy & John Didn't Know that JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that Xmas Day. Thomas the Twit - Did Know about those Big Underpants but Chose not tell them that, of Course. Many, Don't Know that those Big underpants would have fell straight to the floor if put on JB under Normal circumstances. Thomas the Twit said Patsy murdered her little girl because she wet the bed. But there was No urine on the sheets. There was No evidence that JB wet the bed. There Was the evidence of a big pee stain from JB that was on the carpet & underlay in the boiler room, in the basement. Thomas the Twit says that Patsy strangled her daughter to death on that spot & from Behind. He said That, because of the underpants & long-johns, so much urine staining on the Front of Both that it was all-but to the waistbands of Both items. He said ‘that was because JB's bladder released upon her death’. Have a Good Look at the photos of those items. Does that Huge pee staining of Both items look like one pee from a little girl even at death? Don't forget the pee went through the carpet And the underlay. Don't forget that Thomas the Twit said JB had - Already Wet The Bed Before. The perps were giving JB quite a bit of water in the early hours & from sadistic unspeakable abuse, That’s what caused so much pee through the carpet & both of those garments. The autopsy photos show the position of the cord at the front of JB's neck & the fact that her gold necklace was Caught with it & just at the bottom of the cord at the front of the neck, Proves that JB was Not on her front when strangled to death. As do the claw marks on her neck. The position of the necklace there was Not a coincidence. Her gold cross was turned to the back. According to Thomas the Twit, this was all After the acts of whittling, cutting & breaking the paintbrush, fashioning all those intricate knots & wrapping the cord around the remaining handle & tying loops & a noose & using the end of the paintbrush to penetrate her daughter's genitals til it caused Bleeding that was also on her thighs, that was all wiped off with a blue cloth & that wasn't the only implement used that caused injuries to this child's genitals. Because, Steve Thomas the Proven Liar, was a highly deceitful Nobody who constantly talked about the book of BS he was going to write instead of doing the Job and, he was Never ‘lead detective’, he was a lead Cockroach. He doesn't even Know what the rest of the marks & abrasions Were that were on this little girl's body & so didn’t know what was Done to Cause them. There was in Fact, a Hole in JB's skull As Well. The skull piece was split in 2 & inside. This fact was Not released to the public Or to that Imbecile & that's Why he only talks about & Wrote about - a bang on the head that he said occurred when Patsy violently shoved her child so hard that she hit her head on the side of her bathtub, because of a - Pee in her bed. How does a push & a fall into the side of a bathtub cause Two Severe fractures, one Open & from front to back & nearly the length of the skull & the Other was a Hole? It is a Fact that if Either of the gross fractures Had occurred Before death, the skull would have been filled with blood, It Wasn't. The autopsy photos Clearly show the dig marks from JB's nails in her skin At the cord because she was fighting for her life when being strangled to death. The fingernails that held the unknown male DNA were Both of JB's pinkie fingers. The cord was left embedded in this little girl’s neck which had a particular double knot tied at the back too. Thomas the Twit didn't have any kids back at that time. What mother would put a turtleneck jumper on their child to go to bed? Thomas the Twit believes Patsy did that & said so in this interview & Wrote that in his book of BS. He also said the jumper was wet, balled up & in the sink. The cops walk-thru video shows this was also a Lie, it had been placed on the vanity. In the middle of the Atlantic maybe that turtleneck jumper would be a good idea if one had no central heating. The Ramseys Did have central heating & their home was in Boulder. There are photos of JB in just normal PJs & the kids were up at 6 a.m. that Xmas Day morning to open their presents. JB didn't even have a dressing gown on & neither did Burke. There is no way in hell that JB was put in a turtleneck jumper to go to bed And she was Asleep. Both of JB’s new special Barbie dolls were later found in the front yard, wrapped in grey tape. Her my-twin doll that Patsy gave her for Xmas, disappeared. Besides the Many items used that the perps brought to the house & left there & many items that were Staged in & around, many items were Missing.
I don't know how John didn't blow a fuse in this interview when having to sit so close to Thomas the Village Idiot who, was lifting himself up & down when spouting his Crap like a wooden faced Puppet on a poker. The Ramseys sure did Sue that lowlife scumbag who was & always will be, an absolute Moron & a stock-standard Sociopath. He lost every cent of his Hundreds of Thousands Dollars that he made from his book that he wrote for his Own Financial Gain, blaming just Patsy for the Torture & the highly sadistic murder of her adored little girl - for No Other Reason than a friggin NOTEPAD. This so-called investigation was a total Farce & He couldn't have cared less about this Child, because his Game was to be rich & famous like a movie star, which, he thought he was on the cusp of Achieving. He's Still crying about what an Epic Failure he Truly WAS.
See, Con Men, Losers, LIARS & Cheaters - Never Prosper.
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who do you think took her life
@@Plainandsimple25 You are a numpty, numpties shouldn't be allowed in the comments sections & sure as hell should Not be allowed to Vote.
Stop embarrassing yourself, sweetheart! No one is buying your bull shit!
Burke did it.... Parents protected him
To save him from the Trauma going on downstairs, Burke was taken to the Whites at 7.15 a.m., where their kids were present & some adult relatives. Burke was actually interviewed that very afternoon there at about 2 p.m., by detective Patterson who was at the Ramsey's house that morning. Neither of his parents were present for that interview that was recorded, nor did they know that was happening. Burke was taken to where the parents were at their friend's house & John told him then that JB was deceased. After that interview with Dr Phil & then the abysmal fall-out after that despicable Bogus CBS show was aired after that also in 2016, Patterson publicly defended Burke & stated on national TV that he’d conducted an interview with 9 year old Burke & he didn't know Anything at all & he’d been very worried that his little sister was still missing.
Burke was interviewed again 10 days later by a police child service's officer, that took Hours. No lawyer or parents were with him & his parents had Allowed that interview to take place. The public have seen a few snippets of that interview, from shows on utube, the 'bits' that suit the agenda of the channels. Same in relation to the interview with a detective when Burke was 11. That went on over 2 days, no lawyer nor his parents were with him & again, his parents Allowed that interview to take place.
Then, the poor Kid received a Subpoena to appear before the grand jury & off he went to do that Also, neither parent present & NO Lawyer there Either.
N.B. - that was a black & white photo at the bottom of the page, Nobody could tell what the hell that was. Burke tried very hard to work out what he was supposed to see, eventually he said about a glass. That idiot detective kept saying pineapple, pineapple, pineapple. LOL. Burke thought that what was in the bowl may have been cereal because it looked like muck, in that photo. All items on that table were Staged by the perps, as were Lots of items all over the house. There were 18 Chunks of pineapple in that bowl. There were more than one 18s within this crime. Meyer's lucky number was 18. That bowl had the leftover icing from the kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd, the bowl was with other bowls & containers on the table that had the lollies for the decorating of the gingerbread houses. In photos from that party, the bowl can be seen. Patsy bought a large bag of icing. That big heavy bowl was kept in a top cupboard in the kitchen. From whatever tabloid, book or utube show, people now say that pineapple & milk was Burke & JB's favourite. LOL. It was Not. Forensic science Proved that JB did Not eat Any of that pineapple. BTW - pineapple is Acidic, it would Curdle friggin Milk.
They had all been up since 6 - 6.30 a.m. that Xmas Day morning & the kids played all day & with friends that afternoon & then again for half the night at the White's Xmas dinner party til about 9 p.m. JB fell into an Exhausted sleep when they got in the car to go home, making 2 stops on the way to drop off presents. JB was only 6 years old, she Did NOT Wake Up After That.
Burke did Not say on the Dr Phil interview that he ‘woke up & went downstairs’ to play with a toy. He walked in the door & went straight to his multi-storey car garage that he was given for Xmas. His father went downstairs, helped him put that together for 15-20 minutes then took him up to his room & helped him get ready for bed. The kids Never went downstairs on their own at night.
Burke had just turned 7 when he Accidentally hit JB with a toy golf club from a Backswing, it clocked her on the top of the cheekbone, he cried about it for a week. Nothing Else. The ever changing faeces Stories are Not true.
He was Asked what he thought happened to his little sister in that interview 10 days later. He was friends with the White’s kids & the Stine’s kids who obviously were Not told the Details about all that happened to their little friend. As Kids, just like adults, they Speculate & they Overhear adults talking.
The announcement through the media at the time was the True cause of death, Asphyxiation. The family were later told there was damage to the child’s skull. Both gross & Separate fractures were just After her death. As per, the hierarchy within the police do Not release all information, even to their own cops. The Fact is that the 1st fracture was Open front to back & nearly the length of the skull, the 2nd was a hole, the skull piece being split in 2 & inside. This total BS about a ‘bonk on the head’ grew legs because of Steve Thomas & his loon book of BS, that’s Why he was sued & then James Kolar did one better & said Burke did the head bonk. Thomas the twit was about to be fired for his despicable scenario & Kolar the clown Was fired for his rot with the added on BS coming from Jim Clemente in 2016 & so that farcical CBS show.
One needs to Think about WHY that police Evidence of the 911 recording was put on a TV programme After the Ramsey’s book was released & they had appeared on the Larry King show in March 2000 where they spoke publicly about some of the cops’ failings. One needs to find out about Steve Thomas first though, the former narcotics officer, including that he constantly talked about the book he was going to write when supposedly working this case of a Child’s brutal murder. He said that Patsy hadn't hung up the phone properly & he said Burke could be heard saying something in the background. He accused the Ramseys of lying in saying Burke was asleep when that call was made. They were Incensed about that Next accusation & wanted to Hear what the cops were talking about. And, Thomas said Burke Only. The cops refused to let the Ramseys hear that recording. John & Patsy were So upset, they went on national TV & told the World what they had just been accused of & challenged the cops to cough-up with the tape. All went quiet. Please note, all this was After the grand jury hearing that took 13 months & where Burke was again questioned for a long time by the Special Prosecutor this time, Michael Kane. Next thing, a TV Show has the recording, Words are put on screen & suddenly it's supposedly All 3 Ramseys in the background.
How amusing but typical form from that scumbag Steve Thomas who’s nothing but a Proven Liar, who’s only accolade before this murder case was busting a bike theft ring. He released his childish book, was promptly sued for all the Lies & lost every cent that he made from the public’s purse strings. He had then moved overseas with his tail firmly planted between his legs.
When calling 911 Patsy was using the Wall phone in the alcove that was near that door by the grate that she called the kitchen door. John was reading the note over & over by her Then. In the Authentic recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the metal cradle that was at the side of that phone is Clearly heard, CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. Under that phone on the wall, was a cupboard. If Patsy had put the handset down, all would have heard CLUNK.
Here’s the thing, why would they lie about Burke being downstairs? He was Allowed downstairs! Yawn. And then there’s the Fact that the closeted 9 year old Kid, would have coughed up in a nanosecond that he was there when his mother made that 911 call.
Why do tabloids print sensational headlines whether true or false? $$$. Why do 'authors' put a book together based on the same information from the magazines & TV shows? $$$.
In the U.S., for the past 2 years, newscasts & talk shows have been getting out the info about the DNA again but they don't go into enough detail, too scared to be mobbed I presume. I see on utube, an explosion of podcasters pumping out shows since that time frame. They pump out the Same false & misleading information over & over again like well trained monkeys & many make up more garbage to keep all the Ramsey bashers entertained & Excited to be fired up.
DNA is Science & science doesn’t lie. What I notice, is that only the Ramsey bashers Ignore that Scientific evidence. Of course, like soo much of the other Truth around this case, people have cherry picked what they choose to believe but at the same time, the Facts about the DNA are not detailed enough, thorough - being from the 1st week, unknown male DNA mixed with JB's DNA, under both of her pinkie fingernails. That was just the First results & it’s Known - Two unknown male DNA, several places on JB’s person. The DNA from one has been in CODIS since 2003.
People don't realise that the cops do Not release the Case Evidence to the media & so, the public have No Idea what the Actual evidence of perpetrators in the house Is, nor do the public know all that Really happened to JB.
People need to understand that this crime for money & revenge was very, Very well Planned. Everything was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if they called the cops. Just to clarify, there were Two severe skull fractures that occurred just after JB was strangled to death. Both were Precise & also pre-planned if the cops were called & so, all 3 weapons were at hand. That flashlight was Never a weapon used & did Not belong to the Ramseys. All the Stories about Burke, pineapple & the flashlight grew legs After that Bogus CBS show went to air in 2016. Lots of people Chose to believe that utter Nonsense because they’re not very Bright.
FYI - Burke was Never even a suspect & that’s Why, within the Multitude of TV shows before 2016, he was never mentioned because the journos & presenters had No reason/cause to talk about him.
No child committed this heinous torture/rape/murder.
@@Whipporwhill Get this clear, there was No r#pe.
@@bethryan9077 Oh, hello again "Beth Ryan." Were you there when Jon Benet was murdered?
Why were Jon Benet's private parts wiped/cleaned? There's only one reason. To destroy DNA from semen. Fibers of the cleaning fabric were found in her labia.
Why did the autopsy report indicate signs of se*ual abuse?
Why did the detective who was present at the autopsy say there was evidence of se*ual abuse?
Did 6 year old Jon Benet consent to having se* with someone? No. She did not. She was raped & had been being raped prior to her murder. Her mother knew it & I suspect her father did as well because he's the most likely person to have been doing it, but it could have been her older half brother. His semen was found on a blanket in the suitcase in the basement. Weird. Wonder how that got there? And why was it being hidden in a suitcase in the basement.
Male DNA was found in her underwear. It has not yet been identified, but it will be. Technology is advancing rapidly. This case will be solved & her murderer will be revealed.
Since you seem to have an intense emotional connection to this case & intimate insider knowledge of the Ramsey home, family, & the crime itself, perhaps you should have a conversation with the police about it? Can you help solve this heinous crime? Or, are you just going to troll & harass people in the comments until it's finally solved?
No. Burke did not kill her. She was strangled via garrote for God's sake! The head bash was done after she was dead.
Frank Z sent me here.
after seeing the documentaries etc. i am convinced that that female sasquatch cop that was the first
one there and was a friend of the family was involved in this pedo group and may have even been jonbonet's killer.
the way she described the situation in front of the camera really comes across to me as the fabrications of
a terrible liar who has seen to many hollywood movies.
I don’t see Anyone railing against all those who Make Up from their sick Heads, all the despicable garbage, which is them Accusing JonBenet Herself, of all the Vile incest & paedophile acts that they conjure up with Glee & post proudly.
Of the Hundreds of such comments & Stories that I’ve read from such abhorrent so-called human beings, Nobody says a friggin Thing to them. What a National Disgrace.
Hang on that’s right, Lots of Other so-called human beings Do say certain things to them, they Agree with them. And because they’re of the exact Same ILK, they’re Bolstered to post Their sick thought processes about the same Vile acts, incest & paedophilia, all about this Child, including 9 year old Burke sometimes & no-one rebukes them in Any way.
There was never one Skerrick of evidence that JB was previously sexually abused Nor one Skerrick of evidence about Burke either. Yet the Ramseys & their Kids are very cruelly subjected to a round-robin of particularly grotesque accusations that include - child sacrifice, satanic worship scenarios, pedos at the garden parties, selling their child, their friends being Allowed to abuse their child, society members being Allowed to abuse their child including Of Course, Epstein & so on & so on - on it goes, Incessantly.
According to the same so-called human beings, because the Ramseys were wealthy for a while, all of the above is what they did with their spare time.
Nobody Ever mentions that the Ramseys had deep faith in God & were avid church goers.
One can pop over to the many videos about the Chris Watt’s murder case for example. Let me know when you find Anyone who has posted Any comment about Him sexually abusing his little girls Or any other comment about a gang of his friends who did the same & worse.
Of all the Hundreds of videos about same subject & victimology, Nobody talks about Any of Those kids as soo many do about This, highly intelligent 6 year old murdered little girl.
Shame on you.
Yeah for all you victim annihilators John & Patsy must have come across as dumb & dumber hey & obviously both being So dumb, they dropped a trail of breadcrumbs that led straight to Themselves because according to all you Ramsey bashers, apparently they were such absolute Imbeciles, they also had No Idea that Colorado had the Death Penalty.
FYI - there are a gross number of people who are murdered in the home when other people are there sleeping.
Most of those homes are Not a newly renovated 4 level huge mansion from the 1920s, coal cellar still in situ, no window.
There are a gross number of those killers who have Never been Caught.
Only JB’s family are Treated so Despicably, by a monstrous number of people in the public domain - being mostly U.S. citizens, of Course. None of you have read ANY Case Evidence, you watch TV & pick out the bits that Suit Your Character.
Nobody can state One case with the same circumstances of a murdered child, including where the Parents are such as These parents & wealthy to boot as well. I’ll wait for you to Name that household.
Whilst you’re thinking about that, Include the scenario where the parents & kid brother have been drawn & quartered by all you Criminal Geniuses for 26 Years & without even Any mercy for their tortured then murdered Child.
THIS family were Proven Innocent a long, Long time ago - these Victims who suffered in silence & even More So due to the high number of Monstrous people in the public domain.
What part of Exonerated do you Not understand?
You should all have a Really good look at Yourselves in the Mirror, the rest of the world sure Is.
BTW - Arndt didn't get there til 8.10 a.m. & arrived with detective Patterson.
This case has never been to something called a Trial, you kids aren't even smart enough to know that you're getting the never ending False & misleading information from all those who say Whatever for that age old reason - Money.
In regards to this case in particular, 99% of the videos turn the info for this case, into one big fat tabloid magazine.
Arndt later retracted everything she said for that ludicrous TV interview because she too was another con artist cop Caught out as a Liar.
Arndt was Not the first one there for A Start. She arrived with detective Patterson at 8.10 a.m. She was Not a 'friend of the family'. She put on a Performance for national TV because she too was after a a Book deal. She failed at that also. Being Caught Out as a liar for that embarrassing interview, she later retracted everything she said.
@@bethryan9077 so how do we know the retraction is not the lie?
she was obviously lying, but how do we know which parts she lied about?
liars tend to sandwich their lies between affordable truths...
anyway is there a video that covers this issue specifically?
The Boulder PD hired 2 private handwriting analysts & they also took the note to the Secret Service for 2 of Their experts, all 4 said NO Ramsey wrote the note. The Ramsey’s attorneys also hired 2 of the best in the country & both said the same. A few of the letters had the formation Similar to the formation of Some of Patsy’s letters because that’s how it was SET UP To BE. The letter formations were Not the only aspect that told the Real experts that NO Ramsey was involved in the writing of that Ridiculous note. And, the public have Never SEEN Patsy’s actual writing.
From the 1st week of 1997 til 2007, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under both of JB’s pinkie fingernails - Unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months & so of course, the public too. The same Steve Thomas who had Never worked a murder case before but later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but that was Never tested. Steve Thomas got around the office constantly talking about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury were to convene when the Ramsey’s attorneys found out about the 2 spots of blood & the DA finally ordered that to be tested. The blood was JBs plus Unknown male DNA being saliva mixed in one spot of the blood. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. Desperate Thomas worked Very hard to keep the Fact that there was now Two lots of Unknown male DNA evidence, from the media & so from the public domain.
The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media from the very beginning & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD’s cops Should have found JB early that morning, though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. Two of them went around the exterior at separate times early that morning, one with a flashlight. Both failed to see those windows under the grate where one was clearly broken at the top section, being a gaping hole. That broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point.
The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD, snuck off on a ruse & then resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, the reading of his Pathetic letter blaming the DA for his Own failings, was his Marketing Ploy for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of Lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That, either. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his ‘Story’. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent of the hundreds of thousands of dollars he made from that book. The investigation Continued with a bevy of actual Seasoned private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another.
Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolf vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carnes got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carnes declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his role as a police officer & about some of the BS in his book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He made up a time of death to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carnes was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. There was No basis for that case to go forward to trial so Wolf lost.
Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with samples of the letters from the note down columns & letters Next to those, exactly the same, As If Patsy wrote those letters, it’s all Fake.
Every man & his dog has been out to make Money off the back of this high profile crime.
The Ramseys & Lots of suspects, including known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA.
The DNA from the 1st unknown male that was under her pinkie fingernail plus his Saliva in one spot of her blood in the big underpants, was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male’s DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & outside there, being pulled up/down. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly & Officially in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of, Plus the DNA from that unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr in 2006, who said he did it. Take note of that Year.
Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the White’s Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push this vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the never ending same old same old False information continues with many making up New false information for the titillation factor. Years down the track James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. Like Steve Thomas, Kolar had Never worked a murder case either. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching & that Bogus ‘show’ was aired in 2016, predominately blaming Burke & that’s why Kolar was on there like a Snake in the grass.
*NOBODY would try to disguise some letters of their handwriting - by Handwriting 3 pages of 365 words & numbers as a ransom note plus use their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The COPS. There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That!* Some cops also had moron syndrome.
The 2nd Commander put in charge of the BPD by the name of Mark Beckner, was put in place in December 1997. He eventually found some integrity & publicly stated in 2015, words to the effect - “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”.
*All highly ignorant Ramsey bashers need to get this Very Clear - You Do NOT Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or John Douglas or Lou Smit OR the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years & to this day Also state that the Ramseys - ARE Innocent.
**The Boulder PD issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022. You can find that online.
Last year a cold case team were put together & they’re on the job. They also have the go-ahead to have both perps’ DNA reanalysed with the advanced technology & can have untested evidence items from the BPD’s dungeon, to be analysed with same. The FBI are involved with this investigation, finally. The government are Not spending Loads of $$ going after the Proven INNOCENT Ramseys.
@@daveyjones5702 The Ramseys were Proven Innocent a Long time ago with a mountain of Actual evidence & by a whole bunch of Actual experts under the umbrella of Law Enforcement, who included expert Seasoned investigators, expert Crime Scene techs & expert DNA & forensic Scientists. These full of the same old BS shows & the making up of more & More lies about this whole family continues because certain people within society are naive, ignorant, envious & plain old stupid, the traits of more than one keystone cop who said Whatever to cover up their Incompetence & who then went on to try & Make Money off the high profile unsolved crime. Isn't it Obvious that soo many just Love to hate on the Ramseys? For no sound Reason At All.
You can find this online - *Arndt learned she was wrong and said so a decade later. Yes, Linda Arndt did feel John was a dangerous individual and she was right. At the time of JB's murder and for many years he felt he wanted to torture to death her killer if he got the chance. "There's no way to undo the wrong that was done (to the Ramsey family). But (it was) just to acknowledge what you could or couldn't do, and apologize for any error on my part and to offer myself in any way that was helpful to her." "I'm able to confirm a lot of things that Patsy was maintaining for 10 years," Arndt said. "I think our expectation of the justice system is that you clear 'em or you don't, but you don't leave people hanging in the wind this long - at least, that's my interpretation," Arndt said. "She said 90 percent of the case details have not been disclosed accurately." Full Text LINDA ARNDT: www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/threads/linda-arndt-speaks-with-forked-tongue.6954/