I have a feeling that people will miss the external monitors when they're gone. Right now it seems unnecessary, but take them away and people will complain about it feeling soulless, or just not being able to tell when you have someone's attention. But that seems like one of the most obvious ways to cut costs. I still think Apple is playing the long game here -- they have to know it's going to take 10+ years of consistent product development before this is really gonna catch on and become the next iPhone-level device.
My only concern is what will they cut that would be meaningful but also cost cutting. It likely will be every single thing that makes this product so good too like the 4k screens, eye tracking, build quality, and processing power. I even think they will drop that screen too.
Agree. It’s too early for a mainstream version. Would be better if they first show off what the AVP is capable of rather than dumbing it down and making it even more unattractive.
I think the external display is important to still be able to communicate naturally with the outside world. Apple sells the AVP as AR glasses and not as VR glasses, so it is important to see the person wearing the AVP.
I agree, plastic can be made to look like a silver aluminum finish, and would have made the device so much lighter. I don't understand why they chose metal.
It’s just going to take a few years. XR as a platform and the hardware for XR is on a very different timeframe than past technologies. A lot of people want it to be 1 to 1 with smartphones or how computers developed and sure somethings apply but this tech is on its own journey, most ppl won’t have the patience to see it through. They’ll just be shocked when suddenly they’re wearing high powered smart glasses in 10 years and they’re everywhere. Ps. I’d be incredibly shocked if they cut eyesight, I don’t see them cutting that until they have AR glasses. I think them cutting eyesight would be an absolute last resort. That’s one of the most Apple features on the Vision Pro.
Definitely a budget version to expand accessibility. This will then start the flywheel of more developers coming onboard because they can actually have a more meaningful user base, which then begets more customers due to new novel apps. This starts the flywheel going…
Great video and rational analysis. Why are all the premature death tolls being rung for this device? It’s only been out a few MONTHS and in one country. Apple never intended this to be a mass-market blockbuster. They projected less than 1 million sales. Apple can sell a million polishing cloths! Does anyone really believe Apple didn’t know their market for a $3500, first-gen device? Apple is targeting enterprise and education, aiming to develop business models for the spatial computing era. The public will follow with content and a lower price. It’s obvious Apple is playing the long game and investing in the future. Their present looks amazing.
With a price tag of 3500 they knew it wouldn't sell very well. Especially when their competitor is under $500 and is almost the same product not quite as good but $3000 better that's a tough ask
I agree with the external displays can be taken out, but I'd be concerned that if they took too much away, it would be such a poorer experience that even at $1500, people wouldn't want to pay it. I'm all for them prioritizing a lower budget unit tho bc I want more people to experience it and want more, like we do. I don't see this dying off but even if it does, I'll still have been very happy with my experiences. I hope they keep pushing forward with the software improvements to this unit, build a really good cheaper unit and maybe in 5 years or so, an outstanding Vision Pro 2 that's much more powerful, smaller and cleans up the issues with the first unit.
I din’t believe it will die out. Even if apple works on two models side to side, they’ll both sell. However for the first few years it may make more sense economically to have only one very good model and expand on it a few years down the road. It may also happen that the two models will be AR glasses and AR/VR goggles like vision pro.
The AVP will be... fine - but it is AR/VR which -never- will be ubiquitous because human beings don't want to live in a bubble. This isn't an Apple problem, it is a tech problem. A cheaper version is necessary to expand the market, but the market is limited. FWIW I find mine amazing.. but I use it maybe 2-3x a week. There is friction to using any VR device. My iPhone is used hourly.
$1.4 billion of what? revenue for Apple? .. nope ... What was the real cost of each device for Apple? And the development costs?, nobody knows, so we don't know the real revenue for Apple with the current sales for the AVP.
I think it’s the wrong move to shift to an Apple Vision SE. The Apple Vision Air won’t get cheaper than $2K but way worse than the AVP. So who will be the target audience? People who want a meh VR headset that is way more expensive than the direct competition but still less expensive than the AVP? IMO they should hike the price of the next AVP to $5K or even $7K to show us what Spatial computing can be at its best. Then people get excited for a cheaper version. The current AVP is good but not good enough yet. The AVP 2 could have an extremely good outer display, better and wider inner displays, better motion adjustments, more ram for AI, better head piece and a battery clip included. Also battery duration needs to get way better but I think the bigger financial budget can give the Ingenieurs more options to achieve that. The second generation device can’t already be the SE version. Like even if the AVP is $1,5K or $2K most average consumers would wait until they see a real use for their life and wait until it’s cheaper. [Edit for clarification]
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plz no plastic, or sacrifice on the quality of the screen
Great Video, lots of great info in such short time. I personally love mine and even the critiques I had when I bought it have faded away. I’ve found I use mine more to replace my MacBook for productivity or use it with Mac Virtual Display. It’s definitely Apple’s strangest product in that you really don’t get it until you’ve used it. (And the 30 min demo at the stores isn’t enough) I personally think it will stay but have slower adoption until apple has a more budget-friendly version. Everything people are saying about the Vision Pro people said about the iPhone when it came out, the iPad, when the cd rom was taken out of the MacBook Air and Apple Watch.
The apple vision pro is a fantastic product. But like any product like this, it needs developers. With the world wide launch coming and crazy Vison OS 2.0 development upgrades, I don't see it going anywhere soon. It will be a niche product until the price drops, but enterprises, universities, etc. will buy it up all over the world until apple can bring it to the mass market. Apple intelligence HAS to come to AVP or it will definitely die though.
Mobile phones at day one were free with you phone company. Like printers that then maje you pay a lot for the ink. The first models have to be cheap and even loose money for the company do they create an habit and necesity. After some iterations they can put the real price.
I think this need for apple to provide us with a “killer app” is wrong. There is no killer app on the iPhone made my apple, it’s the iPhone itself that is the killer app lol the fact that apps can exist on it was the killer feature “there’s an app for that” we need builders and other companies on board. We also just need to wait for the tech to get to consumer ready level. XR just still has a long way to go. Even for apple, it’s not easy trying to create an entire new layer of reality.
The sources don’t say it’s cancelled. They’ve suspended it while they focus on the cheaper version. That’s a far cry from cancelled. Cancellation implies the V2 won’t happen. Click bait title IMO
One thought is that.. maybe apple will be waiting till they are closer to the “vision or vision-air” headset to really put the $$ into the rest of the ecosystem This may just come down to timing.. more than anything else
I know people that want it from using mine, but far out of their price range. And frankly, more devices means more Vision OS updates. And if the Pro simply does it a little better, this matches the iPad Pro experience and strategy.
I don't feel the argument that the original iphone lacked certain features is a strong one. Apple claims they have been developing the Vision Pro for roughly 16 years. If you look at complaints with the Vision Pro regarding missing features, it literally only takes about a week or so to realize just how much it's missing. You're telling me that in all the years of development and brainstorming of this device, they just now are realizing these things? I'm an owner and I realized many of them within the first few hours. Basic things like re-arranging my apps, multiple guest accounts, mouse support (on a spatial computing device, seriously), multi screen virtual display, dual audio mirroring, large file transfers requiring it to be worn, curved screens, zero video or data input ports, phone unlock/passthrough, phone calls, curved screens, and were all missing. Sure they added a couple of those in 2.0, but it literally took 2.0 to get these basic updates. Even then it's STILL missing a ton of features users are desperately requesting. It's unbelievable to me that many of these features weren't included in 1.0 at launch, and honestly explains a lot of why it hasn't been the smash hit people thought it would be when announced. Apple has had the opportunity to analyze all of the VR headsets and software since the first Oculus to refine the Vision Pro into an absolute beast of a device. It feels like all that effort has went into the hardware, and not so much into the software. Will the Vision Pro ever get there? Sure, but the question I have is when? At this rate it'll be a few years.
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They never expected to sell many. It's $3500. They also just opened pre-orders in the UK. Seems unlikely they've cancelled anything.
I have a feeling that people will miss the external monitors when they're gone. Right now it seems unnecessary, but take them away and people will complain about it feeling soulless, or just not being able to tell when you have someone's attention. But that seems like one of the most obvious ways to cut costs.
I still think Apple is playing the long game here -- they have to know it's going to take 10+ years of consistent product development before this is really gonna catch on and become the next iPhone-level device.
Yes! The external monitor is a glimpse of the future where it really seems like it’s completely transparent and you can see the other persons eyes.
My only concern is what will they cut that would be meaningful but also cost cutting. It likely will be every single thing that makes this product so good too like the 4k screens, eye tracking, build quality, and processing power. I even think they will drop that screen too.
Agree. It’s too early for a mainstream version. Would be better if they first show off what the AVP is capable of rather than dumbing it down and making it even more unattractive.
They need to broadcast live sports in immersion! A lot of people will buy it just for this experience!
I think the external display is important to still be able to communicate naturally with the outside world. Apple sells the AVP as AR glasses and not as VR glasses, so it is important to see the person wearing the AVP.
When is it expected that the more budget one could come? How do u feel we are from letting go of monitors for vr headsets?
They need to make the Vision Air plastic!! I seriously don’t understand what possessed them to say a metal body was the way to go for the Vision Pro.
I agree, plastic can be made to look like a silver aluminum finish, and would have made the device so much lighter. I don't understand why they chose metal.
It’s just going to take a few years. XR as a platform and the hardware for XR is on a very different timeframe than past technologies. A lot of people want it to be 1 to 1 with smartphones or how computers developed and sure somethings apply but this tech is on its own journey, most ppl won’t have the patience to see it through. They’ll just be shocked when suddenly they’re wearing high powered smart glasses in 10 years and they’re everywhere.
Ps. I’d be incredibly shocked if they cut eyesight, I don’t see them cutting that until they have AR glasses. I think them cutting eyesight would be an absolute last resort. That’s one of the most Apple features on the Vision Pro.
Definitely a budget version to expand accessibility. This will then start the flywheel of more developers coming onboard because they can actually have a more meaningful user base, which then begets more customers due to new novel apps. This starts the flywheel going…
Great video and rational analysis. Why are all the premature death tolls being rung for this device? It’s only been out a few MONTHS and in one country. Apple never intended this to be a mass-market blockbuster. They projected less than 1 million sales. Apple can sell a million polishing cloths! Does anyone really believe Apple didn’t know their market for a $3500, first-gen device? Apple is targeting enterprise and education, aiming to develop business models for the spatial computing era. The public will follow with content and a lower price. It’s obvious Apple is playing the long game and investing in the future. Their present looks amazing.
With a price tag of 3500 they knew it wouldn't sell very well. Especially when their competitor is under $500 and is almost the same product not quite as good but $3000 better that's a tough ask
I agree with the external displays can be taken out, but I'd be concerned that if they took too much away, it would be such a poorer experience that even at $1500, people wouldn't want to pay it. I'm all for them prioritizing a lower budget unit tho bc I want more people to experience it and want more, like we do. I don't see this dying off but even if it does, I'll still have been very happy with my experiences. I hope they keep pushing forward with the software improvements to this unit, build a really good cheaper unit and maybe in 5 years or so, an outstanding Vision Pro 2 that's much more powerful, smaller and cleans up the issues with the first unit.
I think they should bring a more advanced version out next year as pro 2 and remove a few things on this make it the budget version
I din’t believe it will die out. Even if apple works on two models side to side, they’ll both sell. However for the first few years it may make more sense economically to have only one very good model and expand on it a few years down the road. It may also happen that the two models will be AR glasses and AR/VR goggles like vision pro.
That's a very fast response to change the title almost immediately. Love from Kenya!
The AVP will be... fine - but it is AR/VR which -never- will be ubiquitous because human beings don't want to live in a bubble. This isn't an Apple problem, it is a tech problem. A cheaper version is necessary to expand the market, but the market is limited. FWIW I find mine amazing.. but I use it maybe 2-3x a week. There is friction to using any VR device. My iPhone is used hourly.
$1.4 billion of what? revenue for Apple? .. nope ... What was the real cost of each device for Apple? And the development costs?, nobody knows, so we don't know the real revenue for Apple with the current sales for the AVP.
Revenue is not profit
Ok what was the real PROFIT for Apple then
There is no Vision Pro 2 dude. Only Vision Pro 1. They are working on Vision Pro 2. You got this all wrong!!!!!!
I think it’s the wrong move to shift to an Apple Vision SE. The Apple Vision Air won’t get cheaper than $2K but way worse than the AVP. So who will be the target audience? People who want a meh VR headset that is way more expensive than the direct competition but still less expensive than the AVP?
IMO they should hike the price of the next AVP to $5K or even $7K to show us what Spatial computing can be at its best. Then people get excited for a cheaper version. The current AVP is good but not good enough yet.
The AVP 2 could have an extremely good outer display, better and wider inner displays, better motion adjustments, more ram for AI, better head piece and a battery clip included. Also battery duration needs to get way better but I think the bigger financial budget can give the Ingenieurs more options to achieve that.
The second generation device can’t already be the SE version. Like even if the AVP is $1,5K or $2K most average consumers would wait until they see a real use for their life and wait until it’s cheaper.
[Edit for clarification]
plz no plastic, or sacrifice on the quality of the screen
Great Video, lots of great info in such short time. I personally love mine and even the critiques I had when I bought it have faded away. I’ve found I use mine more to replace my MacBook for productivity or use it with Mac Virtual Display. It’s definitely Apple’s strangest product in that you really don’t get it until you’ve used it. (And the 30 min demo at the stores isn’t enough) I personally think it will stay but have slower adoption until apple has a more budget-friendly version. Everything people are saying about the Vision Pro people said about the iPhone when it came out, the iPad, when the cd rom was taken out of the MacBook Air and Apple Watch.
This
The apple vision pro is a fantastic product. But like any product like this, it needs developers. With the world wide launch coming and crazy Vison OS 2.0 development upgrades, I don't see it going anywhere soon. It will be a niche product until the price drops, but enterprises, universities, etc. will buy it up all over the world until apple can bring it to the mass market.
Apple intelligence HAS to come to AVP or it will definitely die though.
Mobile phones at day one were free with you phone company. Like printers that then maje you pay a lot for the ink. The first models have to be cheap and even loose money for the company do they create an habit and necesity. After some iterations they can put the real price.
I LOVE MY AVP .. its better not die .. the do need to come out w more stuff for it stat !!! more games and apps
Do you think Apple Intelligence will be on AVP 1 ?? I wan't to buy AVP 1 but only if I'm sure Apple Intelligence will be on it !
I think this need for apple to provide us with a “killer app” is wrong. There is no killer app on the iPhone made my apple, it’s the iPhone itself that is the killer app lol the fact that apps can exist on it was the killer feature “there’s an app for that” we need builders and other companies on board. We also just need to wait for the tech to get to consumer ready level. XR just still has a long way to go. Even for apple, it’s not easy trying to create an entire new layer of reality.
Oh so they are just canceling the pro model.
keep making more dev videos
The sources don’t say it’s cancelled. They’ve suspended it while they focus on the cheaper version. That’s a far cry from cancelled. Cancellation implies the V2 won’t happen. Click bait title IMO
Fair feedback! Title changed 🙌🏼
You’re a legend. Nice work.
Ill check out your other vids as you have me interested now 👍
@@VisionProExperience Bro I respect you more each day
One thought is that.. maybe apple will be waiting till they are closer to the “vision or vision-air” headset to really put the $$ into the rest of the ecosystem This may just come down to timing.. more than anything else
I know people that want it from using mine, but far out of their price range. And frankly, more devices means more Vision OS updates. And if the Pro simply does it a little better, this matches the iPad Pro experience and strategy.
100%!
Nope. All wrong. They are currently hiring devs. So why would they hire more devs if it’s canceled?
Wait, do you mean Apple Vision Air will be cancelled? or just Apple Vision 2
it's a flop buddy.
I don't feel the argument that the original iphone lacked certain features is a strong one. Apple claims they have been developing the Vision Pro for roughly 16 years. If you look at complaints with the Vision Pro regarding missing features, it literally only takes about a week or so to realize just how much it's missing. You're telling me that in all the years of development and brainstorming of this device, they just now are realizing these things? I'm an owner and I realized many of them within the first few hours. Basic things like re-arranging my apps, multiple guest accounts, mouse support (on a spatial computing device, seriously), multi screen virtual display, dual audio mirroring, large file transfers requiring it to be worn, curved screens, zero video or data input ports, phone unlock/passthrough, phone calls, curved screens, and were all missing. Sure they added a couple of those in 2.0, but it literally took 2.0 to get these basic updates. Even then it's STILL missing a ton of features users are desperately requesting. It's unbelievable to me that many of these features weren't included in 1.0 at launch, and honestly explains a lot of why it hasn't been the smash hit people thought it would be when announced. Apple has had the opportunity to analyze all of the VR headsets and software since the first Oculus to refine the Vision Pro into an absolute beast of a device. It feels like all that effort has went into the hardware, and not so much into the software. Will the Vision Pro ever get there? Sure, but the question I have is when? At this rate it'll be a few years.
Apple is also a trillion dollar company now and the VR/AR market has been around awhile now this is not a new tech apple is pioneering.
where did Apple claim that they've been developing it for 16 years? I would believe it if starting 2010 but nit 2007
@@PSy84 There's a Forbe's article that talks all about how it was started in 2007.
You’re running interference for Apple. It’s obvious you’re on their dime. Unsubbing
….hmm check must be lost in the mail then…idk a single creator who gets sponsored by Apple. Let alone on a channel with less than 10K subs lol