To add 2 more options with great character / unique way of drawing: The tiny yet awesome Voigtländer 28 3.5 and the medium size yet awesome Konica M-Hexanon 28 2.8.
I totally understand the rationale for going with with Summicron. Camera hardware all involves compromises, and in this case the compromise is price. You give up more cash but in return you get a lens you could use the rest of your life and will likely hold most of it's resale value. I would like to see a shoot-out between the Summicron, the Voigtlander and the 7Artisans. 👍
I've tried the voigtlander 28 f2 and loved it but I wanted a more shallow depth of field. The 7 artisans 28 1.4 is awesome! From what I see it's sharp enough in the center but I don't like the size and weight. I only use it when I know I'll be doing portraits with my friends. Otherwise the voigtlander 35 1.4 is stuck to my m240.
just bought 28. I can't wait to look at it. would love to see more vids on the Leica Q. I'm finally getting to know it and you have been of real help. thanks for that.
28f2 Ultron II. I will have this lens forever. It’s so good. Now that the version 2 is out. A brass black painted tiny masterpiece, this is the king of 28 IMO.
The summicron is a very nice lens. I've got the ricoh gr 28mm 2.8 ltm on my mp. This is a tiny little lens produce by Schneider kreuznach in the mid 90's. On Film it renders so nice. That's my go to lens. Keep up your good work.
I have the Ultron. Zero complaints. It’s small and sharp. Nice build quality, smooth rings. That said, i hardly ever shoot 28mm, but when I see my shots with the Voigtlander. It makes me want to use it more often.
I use to have the 7ARTISANS 28/1.4 it’s optically good but as you mentioned it’s too big and heavy. Then I bought the Elmarit version 2. It’s lovely but also too big for my taste. In the end I sold this too and bought a used Elmarit ASPH. Nice and small. For M4/3 shooters I can highly recommend the Panasonic Leica 15mm. Great video as always!
Thanks for the review. Yes there are lacking reviews for this lens. I think it shares the same 46mm filter screw as the summilux 50mm. There is a green safari version of this lens with a sliding lens hood.
thank you for sharing your thoughts. I'm really starting to enjoy the 28mm focal lenght on film cameras. Currently i have the Olympus 28mm for my OM-1 and the takumar 28mm for my spotmatic. Maybe one day i'll own the summicron :)
Hey Robin - I noticed people would refer to this video when they’re looking for a video review of this lens, but I think it would help the viewers if you specifically mention “ASPH II” (they have metal screw on hoods) in your video title as there is a big difference between the ASPH I (11606) and the ASPH II (11672) versions of the Summicron 28mm.
Value only makes sense if you are shooting film. Developing digital images in post has built in lens corrections for the most part that issue useable results. Great review for film shooters. Keep doing what you love.
Wow...at 2:29 is the photo taken at the riverside, Phnom Penh, Cambodia, right in front of my flat! Good video, and now I decide to adopt 28mm for street photography. Thank you.
Yeah , great review. There's just something about the gorgeous colours and skin tones of the Leica lenses that maybe sets them apart...but WOW that price!...Love your work
I have the 28mm 2.8 M-Rokkor. It is much cheaper than the Leica but it's hard to find one that doesn't have issues with the coatings. The focusing tab doesn't have an indentation either so it might be harder to use compared to a traditional Leica tab.
My combo is a leica m5 and a 28mm ♡ Got them for 500$ 😁 Ps: there is no framelines for the 28mm on the m5, but the viewfinder borders are mainly your framelines for this lens
I have this Lens to compliment my 28mm Summaron. The Summaron I use when I only want to shoot street because of the 5.6 Aperture and when I need a 28mm for more use cases I use the Summicron and I love both lenses! You should also try the 28mm Summaron for me its the perfect street lens.
@@therealsirrobin When you are at F8 or F16 and you are at 1m on the Focus scale there is easily everything from 0,5m in focus, so that's not a big problem as long you don't need the F4 - F2 or so!
@@therealsirrobin sure its definitely not a portrait lens! Its not a all use Lens, it has a really specific use case .. so for me I always need a second 28mm lens to compliment the Summaron, thats why I also own the Summicron
It will be very interesting if you can make a review of the Voigtlander 28mm f2, I think it is the obvious choise for a lot of people. I also shoot 28mm on my Nikon FE2, I have a Nikon AIS 28mm f3.5, pretty good lens, I like shooting with it.
Congrats on finding a lens that fits your work and is a business expense! Yes it is stupidly expensive for me that don't have a Leica or don't understand that culture/club, but that is ok!
I’ve been wanting to get a 28 for my M6, my first camera’s kit lens and my Fuji’s kit lens both started at 28 and I think I just ‘know’ that focal length. This video has given me a great deal to look into and what not to look into haha! Thanks as always for the great content!
Be very careful how firmly you screw on that lens hood. The latest version shares a weakness with the previous version in that the front section of the lens is only secured from unscrewing by three tiny grub screws. These are made of quite soft steel and tend to work loose. Frequent retightening of these soft screws will quickly damage their slots. It is disappointing that Leica did not cure this issue by using larger diameter hex socket grub screws in place of the tiny slotted ones. My previous version 28 ASPH Summicron is going to have to go away to have damaged screws extracted, as the front section of the lens is now slightly loose and the screws can no longer be tightened.
I have the Zeiss 28mm f2.8 and am very happy with it on my Leica M240 and M8. I am very interested in the Voigtlander 28mm f2. It would be great if you could do a review and comparison with the Leica 28mm f2. Many Thanks again.
cfagil I’ll second the Zeiss f/2.8. I have one and the two photos in my office are taken with this lens. It has a good look. I do find that this lens is best paired with the Zeiss 50mm f/1.5. I have noticed that the Zeiss 50mm f/2 is a bit sharper and has a different look that doesn’t quite match the 28mm look as well. They also take the same filter size. If people need ultimate resolution, the Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 is a sharper (and smaller lens). And it better matches with the look of the 50mm f/2.
Hello, I had a few questions about the Zeiss lenses. I have an M8. Do the Zeiss lenses have a different filter size? Do they have the 6 bit coding and is this important? I am new to this stuff. Cheers, Rob.
zambam3 Zeiss lenses do not have 6-bit coding as they never made a digital camera and their film camera wouldn’t need that information. Also I think that it might be a Leica patent. With Leica cameras it will “read” the code and know what lens is being used and I believe that it will then also apply some software to apply a lens profile for each lens. I don’t know if this matters to you or not. The current lenses have generally 43mm or 46mm filters, but I think the 35mm f/1.4 is maybe a 52mm filter. I shoot film cameras and have an M3, M4, and M6.
@@zambam3 Zeiss lenses' filter sizes are: 46mm for 28mm f2.8 and 35mm f2; 43mm for 21mm f2.8. Zeiss lenses do not have the 6 bit coding. It is not important since the 6 bit coding does not tell you much anywhere. It tells your post processing software (e.g. lightroom) what lens you used for a particular photo. It has nothing to do with frame line selection at all.
I want to use one on a MFT camera, ever since I saw a 50mm f1.4 Leica on a Olympus em5 I wanted to see an wider option and the 28mm f2 is the best because of the size and tubular design just like the 50mm
Owning a Leica M5 I can tell you that it does not have 28mm frame lines, the widest it goes to is 35mm. I'm gonna get an external rangefinder for it, cause like yourself I really like shooting 28mm. ;) Keep up the good work.
I’ve owned 2 M5 cameras. Down to only one now. I also own the SUPERB Konica M-Hexanon 28mm F/2.8 lens. The lens works perfectly on the M5. I compose using the entire M5 viewfinder frame. It works well. The 28 M-Hexanon also works well on the Sony A7ii. All of my M and LTM mount lenses work perfectly on the Sony A7ii.
I appreciate you addressing the VF blockage of the various lenses. Even with the summicron it appears to get in the way quite a bit. Do you find in real life you end up with things in the corner of your image that you did not intend?
Im a 50mm and a 28mm kinda guy my self, and i have never touched a Leica and to be honest! Im scared to give it a go. 😬 I might like it and then i have to have it, ☺️ Thanks for sharing, //freddie
The older versions of this lens are quite affordable. moving from 900-1200. I would prefer a used one instead of the Elmarit if it comes down to the investment :)
i have the 28mm elmarit, and i find it to be a superb lens. i don't pixel peep, and i can live with F2.8. which in normal photography world is a fast lens. in Leica terms, it's not but it's fine for me.
Is the summilux worth it over the summicron 28? I'd be getting due to 1.4 aperture but if the summicron outperforms in overall image, i'd rather go for the 28 summicron
I find the 28mm focal length to be a very strong lens and I own a few. I think this is the widest lens that I would suggest for most shooters as anything wider starts to get pretty tricky to use and make strong compositions. I really wanted the 28mm Summicron, but ended up with the 28mm f/2.8 Zeiss ZM. I love that lens a lot and the look of the images that it gives. But it is not like the Leica. However, it was $700 and I am more comfortable using this more “affordable” option. I think for many people, 35mm and 50mm lenses are easier to use for street and people photography. The 28mm is wide and is a harder lens to master because you can get more distracting elements into the frame. I traveled to S.E. Asia for a month and took a 28mm and 58mm two-lens kit which was just about perfect for my needs. Landscapes, portraits, street, etc.
Hi Robin, just found this video after your upload on the debacle of those Chinese lenses. I would be interested in a 28mm Ultron video, but of the newest version, which is much better (and smaller) than the old Ultron. I heard it compares really well to the Summicron.
100% with you on the 28mm Summicron, I have the same model and it never leaves my Leica MP. The only problem with my lens is I', missing the Lens Hood cap !!!!
Привет! у меня 28мм 2.8 не пойму какая между ними будет разница если закрыт дыру до 5.6-8? мне лишний один стоп вообще не нужен, а разница в цене и главное в размере значительны... вот 1.4 другой разговор там три стопа разница, что значительно вечером например без пыхи. Спасибо
A couple of years ago I picked up a Leica ‘R’ 28mm f2.8 that I adapt to my Sony A7RII... I completely love the focal length and look of this particular copy. I agree with you that many people should give 28mm a try and see if they thrive with it, :)
Yeah Cron must be good, but I'm looking towards Elmarit because of the price tag to use on m8 and occasionally on film. BTW nice t-shirt 👌 is it vintage too? 🤣
I own the Voigtlander 28 f2 m-mount, to share some experience, its extremely sharp, corner to corner, like absurdly sharp wide open, shaper than my 35 summicron asph in the corners, the distortion is minimal, I haven't shot at a brick wall but its pretty unnoticible in 28mm standards. Two issues of the lens, first is that the actual transmission is lower, wide open side by side with my 35 summicron its about 1/3 to 1/2 stops darker, which is a problem for me as I shoot lots of film at night and it was the reason I went for the f2, the 35 summicrion is not the brightest f2 to start with, and the ultron is darker. Secondly, not much of an issue but its considerably bigger than the leica 28 summicron, consistent with other lens, all other brands compared to Leica is always, worst quality if same size, and bigger size if similar quality, its takes 46mm filters and much longer, the size profile is very similar to a leica 50 summilux, for reference.
@@pentaxfan4445 i thought i had all the perfect pentax lenses until i found the m series 28mm f2... that and the 40/2.8 and i am good to go in any situation. (with the 85mm f2 occasionally of course)
*Good video:* The Leica 28 mm Summicron is indeed an absolute beauty! I would like to see a video on the Voigtländer 28 mm Ultron. If you are looking for something much cheaper, but still good, Zenography recently posted an interesting review of four inexpensive 28 mm lenses th-cam.com/video/L3eDidMYJqo/w-d-xo.html
Auch wenn ich selber mal kurzzeitig eine Leica (M4-P) hatte, aber die verkauft zu haben bedauer ich gar nicht. Dafür aber keine Zorki 4K mehr zu haben (war/ist ne tolle Kamera, der ehemaligen Sowietunion, die echt Spaß gemacht hatte zu nutzen)... Worauf ich hinaus will: Bei aller Qualität zu Leica Produkten, aber ich persönlich empfinde die Preispolitik als kackendreist (man verzeihe den verbalen Durchfall)! Die Produkte stehen in keiner Relation zu den unverschämten Preisen, die keineswegs besser (oder schlechter) sind als die, anderer Kamerahersteller. Das kann ich mir einfach nicht vorstellen! :/ Ich mein, 6.500 Euro in etwa für ein 28mm f1.4 Objektiv oder eben 4.000 Euro für das 28er Summicron? Hallelujah! Und dann auch mehrere tausend Euro für deren Kameras, die denen von Sony, Fuji und co sicherlich nicht überlegen sind? Ich weiß ja nicht. Designtechnisch sind Leica-Produkte schon schön anzusehen, keine Frage, aber wie gesagt: Rechtfertig das den Preis? Ich hab einfach so viele Bedenken bei dem Thema, dass ich da jedes mal Bauchschmerzen bekomme.
Andy, du scheinst dich persönlich angegriffen zu fühlen. Ein Lambo kostet auch viel mehr und aufregen tut sich darüber auch niemand, bei Leica sieht das anders aus. Bei Leica zahlt neben dem "made in Germany" auch für die Infrastruktur mit. Leica hat eigene Läden, die auch oft noch Galerien beinhalten usw., das ist halt der Luxus den man mitbezahlen muss. Gegenüber anderen Herstellern hat man auch gleichsam eine Preisstabilität, die man sonst fast vergeblich sucht. Und dann nimm mal z.B. ne Sony A7rIV in die Hand und vergleiche diese mit einer Leica SL2 und da wirst du haptisch schon einen sehr großen Unterschied feststellen. Immerhin hat man Option und für so ziemlich jedes Budget findet sich was passendes. 👍
@@therealsirrobin Ach wo, alles cool, angegriffen fühl ich mich nicht und du dich bitte auch nicht! Ich stelle nur den Sinn des ganzen in Frage, ob das denn wirklich sein muss. Klar hatte ich mal über einen Freund ne Leica SL in der Hand, frage mich aber auch hier, warum das jetzt 6.000€ wert ist. Vielleicht bin ich (kindlich) naiv, dass ich den Wert nicht verstehen kann (oder will?), aber dieser horrende Preis führt eben auch dazu, dass sich manche (nicht alle) über den Preis und nicht die Eigenschaft einer Leica definieren. Genauso Frage ich mich ob n Lamborghini sein muss oder n Mini nicht auch seine Sache tut.^^ Wie gesagt: ich persönlich finde nicht, dass diese Firma Sachen besser oder schlechter macht (zumal es eh auf den Fotografen ankommt), aber der Preis lässt einen glauben, dass sie eben etwas viel besseres ist als eine Fuji, Sony, Nikon etc. Und wie auch gesagt: nimm das nicht persönlich! Ich denke nur vieeeel und oft über (unnötige?) Sachen nach und wäre ich so auf Krawall gebürstet würde ich deine Videos auch gar nicht schauen. 😅
ich habe seit kurzem das Summicron 28, schon seit 3 Jahren das apo Summicron 50 und dennoch stimme ich dir völlig zu. Die Sinnfrage so viel Geld zu versenken, ist sehr wohl relevant und sollte heut zutage mehr denn je gestellt werden. Ich kann akzeptieren, dass Leica einen hohen Fertigungsstandard und nur eine geringe Stückzahl produziert, dennoch kann das die Preise nur zum Teil erklären. Besonders auffällig ist die Diskrepanz zwischen den eigenen Produkten. Eine SL2 ist deutlich billiger als eine M10R, bei der Q2 bekomme ich für einen geringen Preis sogar noch ein gutes Objektiv dazu. Es ist offensichtlich, dass der momentane Run auf die M den Preis beeinflusst. Einen Grund für eine solche Investitionen möchte ich dennoch nennen, und zwar die Wertstabilität. Mein apo Summicron 50 ist gebraucht kaum unter 5000€ zu bekommen, bei den Kameras ist ein gleicher Trend zu beobachten. Eine Geldvernichtung ist Leica eben doch nicht, arrogant sind sie aber schon.
You mention Garry Winogrand, regarded as one of the greats, and then proceed to show your pictures so the audience slip the notoriety of the former into the appearence of the later. It's grossly manipulative and dishonest.
The comparison with the voigtlander f2 would be interesting. It's a fraction of the price and it checks a lot of boxes: aperture, size, build, price..
Sir Robin, I watch Leica videos because of the passion expressed. I really loved your video and thank you for the time you put into it.
Thank you very much!
To add 2 more options with great character / unique way of drawing: The tiny yet awesome Voigtländer 28 3.5 and the medium size yet awesome Konica M-Hexanon 28 2.8.
I totally understand the rationale for going with with Summicron. Camera hardware all involves compromises, and in this case the compromise is price. You give up more cash but in return you get a lens you could use the rest of your life and will likely hold most of it's resale value. I would like to see a shoot-out between the Summicron, the Voigtlander and the 7Artisans. 👍
Yes, that were exactly my thoughts. 👌 I'll try to get my hands on the Ultron when I am back home.
I've tried the voigtlander 28 f2 and loved it but I wanted a more shallow depth of field. The 7 artisans 28 1.4 is awesome! From what I see it's sharp enough in the center but I don't like the size and weight. I only use it when I know I'll be doing portraits with my friends. Otherwise the voigtlander 35 1.4 is stuck to my m240.
just bought 28. I can't wait to look at it. would love to see more vids on the Leica Q. I'm finally getting to know it and you have been of real help. thanks for that.
Thank you Frank! More videos are about to come! 😊👌
28f2 Ultron II. I will have this lens forever. It’s so good. Now that the version 2 is out. A brass black painted tiny masterpiece, this is the king of 28 IMO.
The summicron is a very nice lens. I've got the ricoh gr 28mm 2.8 ltm on my mp. This is a tiny little lens produce by Schneider kreuznach in the mid 90's. On Film it renders so nice. That's my go to lens. Keep up your good work.
Thank you! That one sounds interesting! 👌
I've been shooting 28mm for over a year and it's my favorite focal length. Especially when shooting inside with my family and friends.
Yay, it would be great if you would compare the ultron and the summicron!
I have the Ultron. Zero complaints. It’s small and sharp. Nice build quality, smooth rings. That said, i hardly ever shoot 28mm, but when I see my shots with the Voigtlander. It makes me want to use it more often.
Great to hear!
Youth of Today, Leica M6, 28mm. Checks all the boxes for me. Great video!
I use to have the 7ARTISANS 28/1.4 it’s optically good but as you mentioned it’s too big and heavy. Then I bought the Elmarit version 2. It’s lovely but also too big for my taste. In the end I sold this too and bought a used Elmarit ASPH. Nice and small. For M4/3 shooters I can highly recommend the Panasonic Leica 15mm. Great video as always!
I also had an old Elmarit for short time and it was literally the same size like my summicron.
please compare the ultron and summicron! the 28 'cron is a dream lens of mine
Thanks for the review. Yes there are lacking reviews for this lens. I think it shares the same 46mm filter screw as the summilux 50mm.
There is a green safari version of this lens with a sliding lens hood.
The safari version looks cool but not so much on a black or silver camera. I'd love to have the sliding hood though!
Yes, please compare this lens to the Voigtlander Ultron!
thank you for sharing your thoughts. I'm really starting to enjoy the 28mm focal lenght on film cameras. Currently i have the Olympus 28mm for my OM-1 and the takumar 28mm for my spotmatic. Maybe one day i'll own the summicron :)
Those old Takumars are amazing.
Hey Robin - I noticed people would refer to this video when they’re looking for a video review of this lens, but I think it would help the viewers if you specifically mention “ASPH II” (they have metal screw on hoods) in your video title as there is a big difference between the ASPH I (11606) and the ASPH II (11672) versions of the Summicron 28mm.
Lovely lens, and of course 😉 you own the Summilux 1.7 too (in the Q). Good purchase.
Value only makes sense if you are shooting film. Developing digital images in post has built in lens corrections for the most part that issue useable results. Great review for film shooters. Keep doing what you love.
I would love if you could compare the summicron with the voigtlander ultron, and maybe also with zeiss
Wow...at 2:29 is the photo taken at the riverside, Phnom Penh, Cambodia, right in front of my flat!
Good video, and now I decide to adopt 28mm for street photography. Thank you.
Thank you! Yes, that was taken in Phnom Penh. 👍
Yeah , great review. There's just something about the gorgeous colours and skin tones of the Leica lenses that maybe sets them apart...but WOW that price!...Love your work
I have the 28mm 2.8 M-Rokkor. It is much cheaper than the Leica but it's hard to find one that doesn't have issues with the coatings. The focusing tab doesn't have an indentation either so it might be harder to use compared to a traditional Leica tab.
great lens!
Heard about that issue. Older Elmarit version are similar priced and might be a better choice then.
I got the Voigtlander 28 ultron it's super sharp and I don't have problem with it. :)
Such beautiful colours from your Vision 500T Samples - I really must try that film!
Thank you! Yes, it's a lovely film stock!
My combo is a leica m5 and a 28mm ♡
Got them for 500$ 😁
Ps: there is no framelines for the 28mm on the m5, but the viewfinder borders are mainly your framelines for this lens
what a price！My combo is leica m5+summicron 50 dr for 1500$
Great! Yes, got that wrong. 👌
Great vid, thanks! Yes, please compare the Voigtländer with the Leica.
Thank you! Will try to make it happen!
I have this Lens to compliment my 28mm Summaron. The Summaron I use when I only want to shoot street because of the 5.6 Aperture and when I need a 28mm for more use cases I use the Summicron and I love both lenses! You should also try the 28mm Summaron for me its the perfect street lens.
The Summaron is nice but 1m focusing distance is a little too much for me, otherwise I would probably get one.
@@therealsirrobin When you are at F8 or F16 and you are at 1m on the Focus scale there is easily everything from 0,5m in focus, so that's not a big problem as long you don't need the F4 - F2 or so!
@@kollegekool I often get closer at wider apertures, especially for portraits.
@@therealsirrobin sure its definitely not a portrait lens! Its not a all use Lens, it has a really specific use case .. so for me I always need a second 28mm lens to compliment the Summaron, thats why I also own the Summicron
It will be very interesting if you can make a review of the Voigtlander 28mm f2, I think it is the obvious choise for a lot of people. I also shoot 28mm on my Nikon FE2, I have a Nikon AIS 28mm f3.5, pretty good lens, I like shooting with it.
Winogrand was a great photographer. He influenced my photography as much as Ansel, Weston and HCB.
Don't miss out the konica 28 m-hexanon.
i have the 28 elmarit asph and have been considering upgrading to the summicron ughhhhh. i love the tiny elmarit but i'd love f2.
Congrats on finding a lens that fits your work and is a business expense!
Yes it is stupidly expensive for me that don't have a Leica or don't understand that culture/club, but that is ok!
Thank you Sina!
I’ve been wanting to get a 28 for my M6, my first camera’s kit lens and my Fuji’s kit lens both started at 28 and I think I just ‘know’ that focal length. This video has given me a great deal to look into and what not to look into haha! Thanks as always for the great content!
Be very careful how firmly you screw on that lens hood. The latest version shares a weakness with the previous version in that the front section of the lens is only secured from unscrewing by three tiny grub screws. These are made of quite soft steel and tend to work loose. Frequent retightening of these soft screws will quickly damage their slots. It is disappointing that Leica did not cure this issue by using larger diameter hex socket grub screws in place of the tiny slotted ones. My previous version 28 ASPH Summicron is going to have to go away to have damaged screws extracted, as the front section of the lens is now slightly loose and the screws can no longer be tightened.
I have the Zeiss 28mm f2.8 and am very happy with it on my Leica M240 and M8. I am very interested in the Voigtlander 28mm f2. It would be great if you could do a review and comparison with the Leica 28mm f2. Many Thanks again.
cfagil I’ll second the Zeiss f/2.8.
I have one and the two photos in my office are taken with this lens. It has a good look.
I do find that this lens is best paired with the Zeiss 50mm f/1.5. I have noticed that the Zeiss 50mm f/2 is a bit sharper and has a different look that doesn’t quite match the 28mm look as well. They also take the same filter size.
If people need ultimate resolution, the Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 is a sharper (and smaller lens). And it better matches with the look of the 50mm f/2.
Hello, I had a few questions about the Zeiss lenses. I have an M8. Do the Zeiss lenses have a different filter size? Do they have the 6 bit coding and is this important? I am new to this stuff. Cheers, Rob.
zambam3 Zeiss lenses do not have 6-bit coding as they never made a digital camera and their film camera wouldn’t need that information. Also I think that it might be a Leica patent. With Leica cameras it will “read” the code and know what lens is being used and I believe that it will then also apply some software to apply a lens profile for each lens. I don’t know if this matters to you or not.
The current lenses have generally 43mm or 46mm filters, but I think the 35mm f/1.4 is maybe a 52mm filter.
I shoot film cameras and have an M3, M4, and M6.
@@zambam3 Zeiss lenses' filter sizes are:
46mm for 28mm f2.8 and 35mm f2; 43mm for 21mm f2.8. Zeiss lenses do not have the 6 bit coding. It is not important since the 6 bit coding does not tell you much anywhere. It tells your post processing software (e.g. lightroom) what lens you used for a particular photo. It has nothing to do with frame line selection at all.
Correction on filter sizes: 46mm for 28mm f2.8 and 21mm f2.8; 43mm for 35mm f2.
Leica M5 doesn't have 28mm frame lines, widest is 35mm. You can get the M4P frames line installed as a mod though this isn't standard.
I spent a lot of time looking for good copies of the Rokkor-M 28f2.8, this would be ideal to me, if the Q didn't already exist.
Love your color shoot from Kyiv at 1:36 💪❤
Well spotted! 👌
I want to use one on a MFT camera, ever since I saw a 50mm f1.4 Leica on a Olympus em5 I wanted to see an wider option and the 28mm f2 is the best because of the size and tubular design just like the 50mm
don't feel bad, I just dropped $12500+ tax on a Leica Noctilux 50mm .95... good news is, they WILL hold their value.
Exactly!
Youth of Today! nice!! Great video and review just making the switch to 28mm from 35mm
With a 28 you can "Break down the walls" 🤘
Owning a Leica M5 I can tell you that it does not have 28mm frame lines, the widest it goes to is 35mm.
I'm gonna get an external rangefinder for it, cause like yourself I really like shooting 28mm. ;)
Keep up the good work.
Thank you! Yes, got that wrong.
I’ve owned 2 M5 cameras. Down to only one now.
I also own the SUPERB Konica M-Hexanon 28mm F/2.8 lens. The lens works perfectly on the M5. I compose using the entire M5 viewfinder frame. It works well.
The 28 M-Hexanon also works well on the Sony A7ii. All of my M and LTM mount lenses work perfectly on the Sony A7ii.
I appreciate you addressing the VF blockage of the various lenses. Even with the summicron it appears to get in the way quite a bit. Do you find in real life you end up with things in the corner of your image that you did not intend?
It's there but I have learned to live with it and it's not really bothering me.
Im a 50mm and a 28mm kinda guy my self, and i have never touched a Leica and to be honest! Im scared to give it a go. 😬
I might like it and then i have to have it, ☺️
Thanks for sharing, //freddie
Don't be scared. 😃👌
the_real_sir_robin hahahahaaa 🤪😂😂
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The older versions of this lens are quite affordable. moving from 900-1200. I would prefer a used one instead of the Elmarit if it comes down to the investment :)
Was considering one but that lens hood though. 😕
i have the 28mm elmarit, and i find it to be a superb lens. i don't pixel peep, and i can live with F2.8. which in normal photography world is a fast lens. in Leica terms, it's not but it's fine for me.
yes would love to see this compared to the Ultron!
Is the summilux worth it over the summicron 28? I'd be getting due to 1.4 aperture but if the summicron outperforms in overall image, i'd rather go for the 28 summicron
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Better price/ratio with superb quality: Cosina-Voigtlander 28/2 M-lens. I am using it since several years both on Leica M and Sony A7R.
Will try it at some point for sure.
Wise choice
I find the 28mm focal length to be a very strong lens and I own a few. I think this is the widest lens that I would suggest for most shooters as anything wider starts to get pretty tricky to use and make strong compositions.
I really wanted the 28mm Summicron, but ended up with the 28mm f/2.8 Zeiss ZM. I love that lens a lot and the look of the images that it gives. But it is not like the Leica. However, it was $700 and I am more comfortable using this more “affordable” option.
I think for many people, 35mm and 50mm lenses are easier to use for street and people photography. The 28mm is wide and is a harder lens to master because you can get more distracting elements into the frame.
I traveled to S.E. Asia for a month and took a 28mm and 58mm two-lens kit which was just about perfect for my needs. Landscapes, portraits, street, etc.
Hi Robin, just found this video after your upload on the debacle of those Chinese lenses. I would be interested in a 28mm Ultron video, but of the newest version, which is much better (and smaller) than the old Ultron. I heard it compares really well to the Summicron.
From what I've seen it has a very pronounced vignette and I don't want to buy a lens that actually don't really need.
Hey, der Dominik! Das Voigtländer 28/2.0 ist super, hat aber evtl. ziemlich bösen Fokusshift, wenn man eine Montagsmodell erwischt.
Currently experimenting with 7artisans 28mm f1.4
100% with you on the 28mm Summicron, I have the same model and it never leaves my Leica MP. The only problem with my lens is I', missing the Lens Hood cap !!!!
What a coincidence, I have a second lens cap for the 28mm Summicron. 👍
I am wondering if you could compare this with Elmarit 28mm f2.8. Thank you! Insightful video.
Привет! у меня 28мм 2.8 не пойму какая между ними будет разница если закрыт дыру до 5.6-8? мне лишний один стоп вообще не нужен, а разница в цене и главное в размере значительны... вот 1.4 другой разговор там три стопа разница, что значительно вечером например без пыхи. Спасибо
A couple of years ago I picked up a Leica ‘R’ 28mm f2.8 that I adapt to my Sony A7RII... I completely love the focal length and look of this particular copy. I agree with you that many people should give 28mm a try and see if they thrive with it, :)
Yeah Cron must be good, but I'm looking towards Elmarit because of the price tag to use on m8 and occasionally on film.
BTW nice t-shirt 👌 is it vintage too? 🤣
28 Summicron ASPH is one of the underrated lens, in fact, it's extremely good!
It surely is!
I have the rokkor 28mm 2.8 it's killer!!
Very informative, thank you. I’ll stay with my q2 🙂
Hehe, can't go wrong with that.
Unless you already have multiple M10 bodies
Have you tried 7 artisans lenses? In that case what s your opinion? Thanks!
And very interesting video
Haven't tried those. The 28mm is too big and heavy for my taste.
@@therealsirrobin yes, I guess so. I have 50 mm0 1.4 and it s really big!
How u like the image quality among the lux, cron and elmarit?
They are all great!
Would be nice if you compare the different 35mm leica lenses
I rarely shoot 35mm and there are dozens of 35mm lenses for m mount out there.
@@therealsirrobin thanks for the answer
I just bought a Leica 28 mm f 2,8 elmarit E46 11809 from 1997 for around 1000 Dollars.
You need to try out an Olympus XA4
Voigtlander comparison please!
Yes, will compare it to the new one that just got announced. 👌🏼
Thumbs up for the YOT shirt
Nice tshirt sir!
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I own the Voigtlander 28 f2 m-mount, to share some experience, its extremely sharp, corner to corner, like absurdly sharp wide open, shaper than my 35 summicron asph in the corners, the distortion is minimal, I haven't shot at a brick wall but its pretty unnoticible in 28mm standards. Two issues of the lens, first is that the actual transmission is lower, wide open side by side with my 35 summicron its about 1/3 to 1/2 stops darker, which is a problem for me as I shoot lots of film at night and it was the reason I went for the f2, the 35 summicrion is not the brightest f2 to start with, and the ultron is darker. Secondly, not much of an issue but its considerably bigger than the leica 28 summicron, consistent with other lens, all other brands compared to Leica is always, worst quality if same size, and bigger size if similar quality, its takes 46mm filters and much longer, the size profile is very similar to a leica 50 summilux, for reference.
Thank you for sharing your experience! I need to give the VL 28/2 a try in the future. 👌
Voigtlander please
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Sick shirt
M5 with 28mm finder? That's new...
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For those who print their work specially gelatin silver prints. There is NO comparable lens to a leica glass.
Personally I would rather have my SMC Pentax-M 28mm f2 on my MX...
Still using my MX which I bought in 1978. Love the Pentax-M lenses.
@@pentaxfan4445 i thought i had all the perfect pentax lenses until i found the m series 28mm f2... that and the 40/2.8 and i am good to go in any situation. (with the 85mm f2 occasionally of course)
Die wirkliche Alternative: jacktaka.com/voigtlander-28mm-f2
Try MS Optics 28mm. Tiny tiny tiny.
I'd love to but it's pretty rare and not easy to find one.
*Good video:* The Leica 28 mm Summicron is indeed an absolute beauty! I would like to see a video on the Voigtländer 28 mm Ultron. If you are looking for something much cheaper, but still good, Zenography recently posted an interesting review of four inexpensive 28 mm lenses th-cam.com/video/L3eDidMYJqo/w-d-xo.html
I don't know why People make it sound like Brain Surgery, in using a 28mm, or even a 20mm Lens??
Auch wenn ich selber mal kurzzeitig eine Leica (M4-P) hatte, aber die verkauft zu haben bedauer ich gar nicht. Dafür aber keine Zorki 4K mehr zu haben (war/ist ne tolle Kamera, der ehemaligen Sowietunion, die echt Spaß gemacht hatte zu nutzen)...
Worauf ich hinaus will: Bei aller Qualität zu Leica Produkten, aber ich persönlich empfinde die Preispolitik als kackendreist (man verzeihe den verbalen Durchfall)! Die Produkte stehen in keiner Relation zu den unverschämten Preisen, die keineswegs besser (oder schlechter) sind als die, anderer Kamerahersteller. Das kann ich mir einfach nicht vorstellen! :/
Ich mein, 6.500 Euro in etwa für ein 28mm f1.4 Objektiv oder eben 4.000 Euro für das 28er Summicron? Hallelujah! Und dann auch mehrere tausend Euro für deren Kameras, die denen von Sony, Fuji und co sicherlich nicht überlegen sind? Ich weiß ja nicht. Designtechnisch sind Leica-Produkte schon schön anzusehen, keine Frage, aber wie gesagt: Rechtfertig das den Preis? Ich hab einfach so viele Bedenken bei dem Thema, dass ich da jedes mal Bauchschmerzen bekomme.
Andy, du scheinst dich persönlich angegriffen zu fühlen. Ein Lambo kostet auch viel mehr und aufregen tut sich darüber auch niemand, bei Leica sieht das anders aus. Bei Leica zahlt neben dem "made in Germany" auch für die Infrastruktur mit. Leica hat eigene Läden, die auch oft noch Galerien beinhalten usw., das ist halt der Luxus den man mitbezahlen muss. Gegenüber anderen Herstellern hat man auch gleichsam eine Preisstabilität, die man sonst fast vergeblich sucht. Und dann nimm mal z.B. ne Sony A7rIV in die Hand und vergleiche diese mit einer Leica SL2 und da wirst du haptisch schon einen sehr großen Unterschied feststellen. Immerhin hat man Option und für so ziemlich jedes Budget findet sich was passendes. 👍
@@therealsirrobin Ach wo, alles cool, angegriffen fühl ich mich nicht und du dich bitte auch nicht! Ich stelle nur den Sinn des ganzen in Frage, ob das denn wirklich sein muss. Klar hatte ich mal über einen Freund ne Leica SL in der Hand, frage mich aber auch hier, warum das jetzt 6.000€ wert ist. Vielleicht bin ich (kindlich) naiv, dass ich den Wert nicht verstehen kann (oder will?), aber dieser horrende Preis führt eben auch dazu, dass sich manche (nicht alle) über den Preis und nicht die Eigenschaft einer Leica definieren. Genauso Frage ich mich ob n Lamborghini sein muss oder n Mini nicht auch seine Sache tut.^^ Wie gesagt: ich persönlich finde nicht, dass diese Firma Sachen besser oder schlechter macht (zumal es eh auf den Fotografen ankommt), aber der Preis lässt einen glauben, dass sie eben etwas viel besseres ist als eine Fuji, Sony, Nikon etc.
Und wie auch gesagt: nimm das nicht persönlich! Ich denke nur vieeeel und oft über (unnötige?) Sachen nach und wäre ich so auf Krawall gebürstet würde ich deine Videos auch gar nicht schauen. 😅
ich habe seit kurzem das Summicron 28, schon seit 3 Jahren das apo Summicron 50 und dennoch stimme ich dir völlig zu. Die Sinnfrage so viel Geld zu versenken, ist sehr wohl relevant und sollte heut zutage mehr denn je gestellt werden. Ich kann akzeptieren, dass Leica einen hohen Fertigungsstandard und nur eine geringe Stückzahl produziert, dennoch kann das die Preise nur zum Teil erklären. Besonders auffällig ist die Diskrepanz zwischen den eigenen Produkten. Eine SL2 ist deutlich billiger als eine M10R, bei der Q2 bekomme ich für einen geringen Preis sogar noch ein gutes Objektiv dazu. Es ist offensichtlich, dass der momentane Run auf die M den Preis beeinflusst. Einen Grund für eine solche Investitionen möchte ich dennoch nennen, und zwar die Wertstabilität. Mein apo Summicron 50 ist gebraucht kaum unter 5000€ zu bekommen, bei den Kameras ist ein gleicher Trend zu beobachten. Eine Geldvernichtung ist Leica eben doch nicht, arrogant sind sie aber schon.
1:33 You have your most expensive camera and this is the sample you will give us? :D
He’s probably a wedding guy
28mm is basically iPhone imaging .... you need creative framing to get good composition..else better to use an iPhone
Nope.
Tout ça pour faire de la bouse...
You mention Garry Winogrand, regarded as one of the greats, and then proceed to show your pictures so the audience slip the notoriety of the former into the appearence of the later. It's grossly manipulative and dishonest.