Antitrust Lawyer Breaks Down DOJ’s Apple Lawsuit | WSJ
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- The Department of Justice is claiming that Apple is a monopoly, and it’s turning to a century-old law called the Sherman Antitrust Act to sue the company. The DOJ compared the case to its efforts to stop Microsoft from monopolizing the market two decades ago.
WSJ breaks down the DOJ’s legal argument in proving Apple is illegally monopolizing the market, and how the tech company might fight back.
Chapters:
0:00 Is Apple a monopoly?
1:03 Breakdown of the Sherman Act
4:02 Challenges
5:46 What this means for Apple
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"Raise prices above a competitive level, and to exclude competition" -- Hmm almost like the health care and prescription drug system...
Shhh, the government is taking on a more important threat - iPhones!
This! Or the fact that our military has not passed an audit in years... more than 50% of our taxes goes toward the military industrial complex. I'd much rather know where my tax dollars are going more than someone having or not having an iPhone. The DOJ is a joke!
Govt mandated insurance is an outright scam. Tax money should be used to foot those bills. Instead they outsourced it to pseudo private sector monopolies who do what monopolies do.
Meanwhile Samsung S24 Ultra is $1599 for 512 black. 🫤 I hate that they make some colors more expensive.
That’s a really good point
They also monopolized how they repair their products
yes.. battery is headache for buy oem
So? Most other products have that same thing.
You can take your Tesla to a third party but...
Just ask Louis Rossmann.
@@rodrigo445678 Doesn't make it OK
@@rodrigo445678
You don't repair Apple products, you buy new ones.
I own an independent repair shop. If a customer want's an aftermarket display or battery then a message will pop up saying, "Cannot verify if an original part is used, please contact apple". This message scares off customers and then they want on OEM apple part. I can buy an apple part from apple for 2 or 3X the cost of an aftermarket. I then have to contact apple and give them a serial number and order number for apple to serialize the parts to the logic board. Apple has agreed to right to repair however they have still cornered the billion dollar repair industry with this software serialization of parts. Apple also does this with the new macbooks.
There have been times when an update has been released and I see many ipads/iphones/macbooks come into my shop. I once had over 13 ipads come in in one week after an update (all ipads where of the number series & 2-3 yrs old). All ipads had bad batteries. Coincidence? I think not.
Apple Sux and their corporate values have gone astray.
I do think THIS is where the focus of the DOJ should be. Sure, apples anti repair practices are bad. But everyone is following suit. I know your aware of Samsung Serializing parts as well. Most of this lawsuit will get tossed because it's without merit. They should focus on the anti-repair practices and the absurd hardware upgrade costs, like $400 for $10 worth of ram, or $400 for a $12 nand chip for more storage.
Same thing with printer ink and supplies, tons of other products. OEM is always more expensive
The phone detecting parts not being original, by itself, is not anti-repair. At best, you can say the notification is annoying, and it should be easier to hide (if it isn't already, I haven't dealt with it myself). But the fact that we know the device has non-OEM parts in it is a good thing, because if anyone wants to buy used in the future, they don't want to get screwed over. Apple products being reliable (or at least predictable) is what gives them excellent resale value.
because its true.
Never buy apple always buy quality phones
I'm surprised that neither the EU nor the DOJ did something about apple's xcode(which is mac exclusive) requirement to publish apps to iOS, MacOS watchOS etc.
How is that a monopoly..? Just don’t video on Xcode 💀
yeah, use only apple to create apps for apple
@@notjxdxnit's a monopoly on iOS development tools and makes developers purchase MacBooks when they may not want to. It defeats competition without competing, so it's a monopoly
You have react native, flutter, and kotlin. All provide platform specific tools and libraries. No one would bother doing things the old way anymore.
@@SouthPeter98 So maybe don't make apps for iOS. Android is a bigger market. Apple don't force anyone to make app for iOS or MacOS
"Just buy your mom an iPhone"
Still not illegal. Being good at business and smart is what got Apple into its position today.
@@stevenazizas a company you don’t get that big playing fair tho..
@@m444kimaProvide evidence. Blackberry failed after apple released their smartphone. It’s what consumer’s wanted 🤷♂️, “not playing fair” is based on consumers, not every company has products that we want.
@@stevenaziz keep paying double for an inferior product 😅
@@marcus.Hkeep giving your data away for free then complaining that AI stole your data😊
Apple,
"We don't allow our devices to work on other OS."
"We don't allow others companies' smartwatches, and other accessories to work properly."
"We don't allow apps to use 3rd party payment methods."
"We don't allow apps to even mention that user can subscribe on app website."
"We don't allow 3rd party app stores in our OS"
"We don't allow sideloading"
"We make almost impossible to leave our walled garden."
Also Apple
"We are not a monopoly."
They are not. Ford doesn't allow other hardware in their vehicles, they decide the pieces, the repair shops and more.
It's the same thing. A pathetic DOJ trying to prove something non existent.
Apple doesn't have the obligation to allow the connection of other hardware to their own, they don't have any obligation to allow anything they don't want, it's their ecosystem.
If Apple disappeared, all of those problems wouldn't exist. Thus, not a monopoly.
A monopoly can only exist if there's only one company to produce the good. Not the case.
Okay yall are forgetting Apple is not a nessesity… no one is forcing you to get a iPhone. All of those things are apples benefits…
@@notjxdxn If you are using a smartphone that is not connected to anything, can't install anything, and can't even properly browse the internet, why buy a smartphone. So what you are saying that today, in 2024, a smartphone is not required? lol good luck
Or just buy another phone…
1) No problem with the first one.
2) It has been shown that Apple Watches were originally to be used with Android as a gateway into iOS but there was way too much limitations that would hold it back and major security issues. Ex. Apple Watch unlocks your Mac automatically when you’re right next to it and try to enter it, something that couldn’t be done on windows seamlessly as Android and Windows are separate and don’t communicate between each other like an iPhone, Watch, and Mac do.
3) PayPal, CashApp, and others work unless you’re talking about something else?
4)
US government: oh but IMessage.
The rest of the world: what’s iMessage? Is that like WhatsApp or telegram?
the rest of the world is complaining about AI stealing their data but yall fools gave it to whatsapp and everything else for free
For real. Oh boo hoo, poor android users can’t send and see stickers and reactions in iMessage, what a tragedy.
its a war over data, apple doesnt steal users data like others do
@@UwOtt iMessage is 💩
EXACTLY
For those who don’t understand what a monopoly is, A monopoly is when you have 3 properties and then you can buy houses for them…you’re welcome
Sounds like Apple didn't give the right comgressmen their heads up stock information... Bc why else would they be doing this?
But they don’t go after the real estate monopolies
real estate monopolies own them
When a company is broken up, the owner(s) of the broken up company just become the owner(s) of the newly "freed" company/companies. When Standard Oil was broken up, the "freed" companies merged into smaller Standard Oils so the only thing that changed was that we went from one company to a handful of companies owned by the same people.
Well, that's the whole purpose, do check who are the new shareholders by then 😂😂😂
@@blacksheepshepherd if there are new shareholders
True. But the point isn't ownership. I don't think anyone is legally limited from ownership. The point is the effect monopolies have on consumers. So it would only be illegal if the broken up companies collude to diminish the consumer experience or quality of service for their joint gain. It had, from my understanding, nothing to do with ownership.
@@conradotieno612 if the companies have the same owners, the owners run each company in a way where the company benefits without causing much harm to the other companies but they don't make any agreements between the companies which makes any claim of colluding harder to prove.
The purchase of competitor companies in the beginnings of their existence and then having their products/services completely disappear, is the most common method of eliminating the competition; this should be illegal, the cost of this practice is charged to the consumers.
While Beats wasn’t in its early stages, it definitely didn’t have its products disappear and beats now sound way better because they aren’t just bass and no vocals or treble.
Sounds like the electric persinal motorized industry thats been around for a long time
Google and Amazon are experts at this. We would have so much innovation if Google would actually make something out of all the things they purchased but they are just filled with lazy developers.
building seamless integration is fine. but when you proactively control integration with other protocols (RCS), it is sure monopoly!
I take it that you’re not a lawyer.
@@stevenazizand are you?
Not if such controls are implemented to benefit consumers, which is Apple's argument.
@@mitchellscheer677 Thank god I can't replace a dirty/cracked rear camera from another phone to my own. I can only imagine how horrible it would've been to replace a broken camera instead of buying a whole new phone and throwing out the other one.
@@aebisdecunter Samsung also serializes all of the parts of their smart phones. All of the phone manufacturers are starting to do this. It's not just Apple.
I hope they fix ram and disk upgrade prices. Back when you could add ram to the imac I could tolerate those prices, but now there is no way to upgrade machine later. Everything is soldered…
Now do this with food companies🤷🏼♂️
If they're able to breakup this monopoly, I'd love for them to force back touch id and the headphone jack similar to how the EU finally got them to switch over to USB-C and also make their APIs more available to third parties can develop more sophisticated gadgets similar to the Apple Watch
API will come under trade secrets, no one can compel them to open it. Even if they do how will it help in creating a apple watch like device? APIs may help in creating apps , hardware is a completely different story. Also their APIs will be of no value of you are going to use android OS and apple cannot be compelled to open their proprietary OS for free use. And no one is going to pay apple a licensing fee when they can get android source code for free. Already , wearables have very small margin of profit(except for apple😂), nobody can or will use anything but free software for a smart watch. Also they cannot force touch ID since it was a proprietary tech which they deemed as outdated. Face id is just as secure as touch ID and reliable. EU forced them to use usb c because it was unfair to apple customers that they had to depend on apple for accessories or mfi devices which pay licensing fee to apple. Hence they compelled them to switch to a usb C as that is the universal standard and is much faster than lightning ports and also decreases dependency on apple while increasing choices for customers. 3.5 mm jack is now universally gone. I have not seen a “flagship” in last 2-3 years with it. Only some obscure sony xperia ones have it and maybe some chinese mid rangers. It is in now way increasing peoples dependence on apple. People are free to choose any number of bluetooth headphones available on the market including airpods. Law cannot be used to bring back our favorite outdated tech😂, otherwise I’ll start asking for a Disk drive in a mac 😂😂…. Although on topic of mac, it came be argued that people should be able to upgrade their macs by using universally available SSDs and Rams. That right there is a monopolistic practice.
@@ToTheDoom I think the biggest crime apple commits is charging $400 for $10 worth of ram because it's soldered to the motherboard. But you understand that they would have to make bigger laptops or sacrifice somewhere to create that space. The NAND chips they use today are much smaller than an NVME SSD. Could they do it? Sure. That and serializing parts are what the DOJ should be going after, not them refusing to write software so the apple watch works with android phones, or apple choosing what apps get through the app store.
So you want the state to intervene a private company? Lol you are delusional.
It doesn’t matter, if they are found guilty it’s a slap on the wrist and they will eventually have a workaround. It’s all theater to make it look like they’re doing something… probably a small fine and they will not admit any guilt
Good I don't want my stocks to go down 😊
Did Microsoft do that?
@@marcus.H slap on the wrist
imagine the guilty trying to call out others
@@heskinammoduo5799 that’s the whole idea
Amazon. Microsoft. Walmart. Meta. Google. AT&T (again). Keep going DOJ… let’s get back to realistic business sizes.
"This lawsuit could cost Apple millions of dollars" I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope that there almost $400 billion in revenue can with stand this massive cost :(
"illegal monopoly" implies the existence of a "legal monopoly"
but there are legal monopolies. They're just run by the government.
Every government services are legal monopoly, you know, water, electricity, sewers,...
Utilities are a common form of legal monopoly.
There’s a private health system called Ballad Health that is a legal monopoly. Its monopoly marketplace in eastern Tennessee, western Virginia, and southwest Kentucky is greater than the size of New Jersey.
Yep. The USPS is a legal monopoly (only they can deliver to mailboxes), utilities.
What about Amazon,Google,Facebook??
I'd love another one of these videos but on the UFC.
And the fact that you just cannot use old devices anymore while they should be fine to use with the old software
Can someone enlighten me on the superior app integration that Apple has on it's competitors? Also, does this mean we can finally see improved messaging between android and apple?
there is no dennying that apple has a manopoly on :-
repairing apple devices. - only autheriesed repairers can obtain parts and to be autheriesed you have to agree to replace expensive sections of devices rather small repairs like a single faulty cable/chip making repairs uneconomical. people able to carry out these repairs like this have no access to parts unless they agree not to carry out these repairs.
iphone app distribution - dictates what apps can/cant be released to users - cannot even change the deffault apps like maps, browser, etc from apples dictated choice
The repair-ability, most smart phones are becoming like this, including Samsung who serializes their parts now so you can't replacement. For app distribution, it's literally about security. Today, it is impossible to click on a website, and have a virus installed because their is not path in the code of the operating system in which an app can be installed that is not going through the app store. Once apple creates the code to allow apps to be installed outside of the app store, hackers will find a way to exploit it so they can push malware and viruses onto your phone. It's frustrating hearing these pundits who don't have computer science degrees explaining how it would be "safer" to open the ecosystem. I know what I'm getting into, I'm not trapped, from a computer science stand point, the reason Apple is successful is because the software is simply better. This isn't a "I prefer it better", I mean literally, run time efficiencies, and file structure, and compression algorithms, it's all better. And they can do this BECAUSE of the closed ecosystem.
@@heyaisdabomb apple having a closed ecosystem is no different to how microsoft tied internet explorer to windows.
customers should have the choice of using the closed ecosystem of apples app store andthe option of taking the security risks associated to alternitave app stores where apple has no say or any cut of payments.
like with android you can use their ecosystem but have the option to disable play protect if you want to take the risk of installing something from outside of the ecosystem.
and yes other manufacturers might be screwing customers with serialised parts aswell. this doesnt suddenly make it ok. it should be banned and apple are that company that lead the way with serialising parts to the extremes.
"We have no monopoly" but no matter what program you buy, you have to buy it at our store.... See??? No monopoly!!!!
From the devoloper side: So I have to buy a mac, and mac programming software to write apps for apple products??? Yeah!!! What monopoly?????
Can you buy an Android? Android is 70% of global market. Can you use Windows? Again 70% market. Are you incapable of just "not buy an iPhone"?
@@axa3687 Apple has a monopoly in the US, that's all that matters here
@@axa3687 still Android it’s thousands brands. Isn’t odd for you that China has many competitive smartphones brands but in US only Apple. That’s AT&T before or Standard oil. A country as US which prides itself on its capitalism in a significant market as smartphones it has one brand, other way a communist as China is has dozens. Apple can push prices high to the sky coz it’s alone in the market.
@@lucassilvas1 Listen to me..."Just buy an Android".
@@axa3687 "And talk to no one because everyone in the country has an iPhone and iMessage might as well be exclusive to iPhones"
So why isnt the clayton antitrust act applied here too?
There are so many things in this country I care more about than Apple and TikTok and it annoys me that these are the priorities. How about health care, medication pricing, affordable education and child care… idk… important stuff that affects our day to day.
this people got nothing better to do?
Apple was warned from the same agency that if they encrypted iCloud, it would not be good. Apple encrypted iCloud. I wonder if there's a correlation.
You're suggesting the DOJ is retaliating against Apple because it refused to create a backdoor in its products. Something that not even Apple has suggested. Please provide proof to support your accusation
imagine being so good at something that congress want to shut you down.
Politicians are the lowest quality “professionals” out there
what r they good at? every of their tech is knock off from other companies
@@YasinHasan making cohesive and smooth functioning ecosystem for one. Their devices have unparalleled polish.
@@frankwangofficial "unparalleled" 🤣i have better ecosystem between windows & android 😂
@@YasinHasan ok bud
It's obviously not a monopoly, the have a very dominant position, but you can use Android or any of the others.
"Monopolizes or attempts to monopolize" is the wording of the Sherman Act. Apple engages in numerous anti-competetive practices that stifle consumer choices. The fact that you can still use an alternative is not enough to say they are not a monopoly.
Personally, Apple's anti-competitive practices and abusive tactics towards customers (frequently changing charging ports, breaking old phones with updates, violating right-to-repair, getting trapped in the ecosystem, etc.) are why I have refused to ever buy their products and have been critical of them for decades.
Google and Windows also engage in anti-comeptirive practics and should also be prosecuted, but Apple is by far a more egregious offender.
@@DralhaEureka Also Apple retaliated against the App makers like Epic games, after the EU ruled again them. I never seen a company openly that anti consumer.
Why do people use Apple products anyways? They're overpriced and opensource free versions of their software are almost always better. Not to mention, Windows is better overall.
I raise you a Linux
When Apple is in love with China Factory and server capacity, DOJ punish it!🤣🤣
0:01 That sounds like "monopolies like apples" as in the fruit and not the company.
I mean who doesn't know the monopoly of the fruit?
Interesting insights, I never knew Apple was under scrutiny 🍎.
They aren't. They are not a monopoly in any way.
They’re saying that because 70% of people use iPhones in US they have a monopoly🤔Just is the better product, not the only one, therefore not a monopoly
If the DOJ is able to prove that 70% market share is an effective monopoly, that’s going to have a major effect on multiple industries. It’ll make it easier for them to prosecute future anti-trust cases against major corporations.
do we get alternate app stores for xbox, playstation and Nintendo Switch too?
Like Microsoft has a Monopoly of 100% on Xbox
Tim Cook: We need to decrease our market share. The easiest way to achieve this is to increase prices for all products.
Can someone break this down for me?
How is there a monopoly? I am free to buy whatever phone I want, and if I want to switch from Apple to Samsung, I am free to do so?
If I have bought several Apple products and "locked" my self in the Apple environment, that's my solely my fault and not Apples' fault? The same would go for Samsung, if I wanted to switch to Apple? Or am I missing something?
The claim is that because some apple devices like the apple watch can only be used with an iPhone, that makes them "monopolistic". Creating their own messaging protocol instead of using Andriods messaging protocol makes them "monopolistic". Basically, you have to create software to place nice with all of your competition, or your breaking the law according to the DOJ. It's pretty wild. I know what I was getting into when I bought apple products.
@@heyaisdabombapple does a lot of sleazy stuff. I would rather see the DOJ go after their anti repair practices. That is actually illegal.
There is no monopoly but Biden needs votes.
@@cane870 Yeah, but monopoly is a far cry. No tech company is a real monopoly, they are all subject to disruption, specially in the age of AI.
"android's messaging protocol", you don't know what you are talking about.
Going after Apple, which clearly is not a global monopoly, when they should have gone after Meta, which definitely is.
03:05, what? You ALLEGE?
For god sake, you are the one (DOJ) suing apple. You should not use those kind of words here.
In short, yes. I wrote my thesis on ecosystems and quite obviously Apple was one of the leading examples. Apple has evolved into an infrastructure provider (everybody needs phones just as roads, electricity lines etc.) and consumers benefit from network effects in infrastructure settings (e.g., compatibility). For these reasons competition is not beneficial and its a winner takes it all situation (maybe there is space for a second solution but thats it). In the past, infrastructure was built by governments and provided to everyone, without profits in mind. However, Apple can charge whatever they want for their infrastructure accessibility. Similar monopolies are with Google, Facebook, Microsoft...
Refusal to support RCS, 3rd party app stores (and side loading), and lock out independent repair... clear monopoly.
You also have to manually switch off imessage if you switch to android or dumb phone.
They are releasing RCS this year. Get your facts straight
Every single manufacturer encourages use of OEM parts… clearly not monopoly
Now apply this logic to smart cars and the medical field… and you might start to realize that being big doesn’t mean you’re a monopoly
If Apple wins the monopoly case, then other companies will follow Apple and that's not good for the consumers 💯
If others will follow apple their already small iser base will leave for apple😂😂😂😂
@@ToTheDoom Worldwide, Samsung has a bigger user base than apple, what are you talking about Murican?
This case exist purely because other companies have failed at being equally successful. This is nothing but the results of billionaires outside of Apple getting their money’s worth in political lobbying to sue and legislate apples earned product advantages over it’s competitors. This has been in the works the day Apple released the iOS version that allowed users to opt out of Zuckerberg and others wholesale and covert extremely data harvesting of users completely outside of the Facebook app.
Max can you provide an illustrative example?
@@MrCaiobrz Hey genius, read the terms of the case against apple, its only in regards of “performance” segment aka flagships. Not 200-300$ backup phones but full fledged 1000$ + phones. In that segment apple is the market leader by far. Also when the video you are commenting upon focuses on American user base, whats the point in flexing worldwide user base for no reason?😂😂😂 Also since we are on the topic , how much revenue does Samsung’s “ great worldwide user base” generate compared ro apple? They both have 1200-1500$ flagships right? So if apple has more revenue, does it mean apple user base in premium segment must be larger? And why would it be larger?🤔 Is it because apple has better phones overall? Logo has higher social status? Apple silicon is the most powerful in the industry? Longer software support, better resale value? Hmm, so many questions 🤔
I'm not an Apple Fanboy and haven't owned an Apple device in years (I used to love my iPod a couple of years ago though). But I don't believe what they are doing is bad. At their peak they innovated and now have all the right to do what they're doing, They were smart. enough.
Apple's innovations have nothing to do with the issues the DOJ are bringing up. Apple can continue to innovate and deliver great products without needing to artificially enforce a monopoly.
Innovation isn't the problem. It's the anti Competition
Those 30% cut for app developers is big problem.. and phone you can not repair or pc
As an Android user who wholeheartedly dislikes Apple and the things they do to block off their ecosystem, I don't think they have a case. I feel that way about Apple and I have the choice to not be involved with their business. Not a monopoly in my eyes if you have the option to not use their products\services.
Not to mention, it's actually cheaper to switch to non Apple devices? So how is that a monopoly? People buy into the next phones willingly, they are not forced, lol. It's just people prefer the convenience of not having to learn a new phone/system, and how is that on apple fault?
@@2DTheBeastflagship Android cost the same if not more expensive than an iPhone nowadays.
The problem is Apple traps people in their ecosystem and forces developers to use their products/services and still charges you even if you don't use their services for payment just to exist in the ecosystem on a different app store. If you don't want to play ball with them on paying their mandatory "to exist here" fee per app purchase, they ban you from the ecosystem on the developer level.
Its considered monopoly because it has more than 65% market share in US
Crapple treat their users like morons.
Coke, Pepsi and Comcast’s are the OG’s of the monopoly market and no one arguing about that.
I 100% agree that Apple is a monopoly and I’m pro free market. They make it completely impossible to compete and to even integrate with them without a hefty hefty fee
If apple used RCS for their phone, that would likely break down some of their monopoly.
How dare a company make a popular product
The DOJ are being very foolish here. There are many other Smartphones competing against Apple. Just because it has become the popular or defacto phone in the US doesn't mean its a monopoly.
There is no monopoly as long as there's at least ONE competitor. Ppl are free to choose what products they purchase and what brands they surround themselves with. Why should a company be punished for ensuring that their products under the umbrella of the same brand work smoothly and seamlessly with other products from the same brand? Thats just smart business
Biden is desperate for progressive votes but this will go nowhere.
"There is no war in Ba Sing Se."
5:18 chk
I’m 50/50 on this case. The oxygen sensor case does make Apple look anticompetitive but it only has a strong market share in the states when it comes to smart phones.
As we walk into a new tech world, where your phone is really like an access point to the rest of the world, possibly replacing transportation, communications, data storage, behavior statistics/advertisement capabilities, and personal identification. Thus I'd suggest the following changes... (I've used iPhone since 2009 starting iphone 3GS, and do have a hard time switching over to other products)
DOJ should focus on breaking Apple into hardware company, software company, online market place company, and credit service company.
Much like how windows can be installed onto Mac and MacOs onto PC, the hardware should be made available and transparent within US territory to US users to the very least. Should other nations wish it, it should also be available for users to choose their hardware.
In addition, 'jailbreak' should not be a 'break' from its software and waives warranty, but an option to opt in or out of, so users have their rights to access their own data, and gets decide to protect it using other tools or to use it eslewhere without requiring to purchse additional storage on clouds or bigger phone storage. Also, those software updates should not been a required download for newer phone, and should be more transparent on what is changed (including battery efficiency or battery consumption, to avoid secretly forcing the device to burn out and shorten the lifespan of an iphone behind user's back). Also, the messaging tool 'iMessage' should open to include government oversight so that scam and fraudsters can be held responsible.
Apple Pay and In-App purchases should follow standard like VISA and only charge a minor fee, not a whopping 30% for similar services. App-control/approval mechanism should be more transparent, and should not be made-available by Apple company, instead it should be available to either the community or for government oversight.
3:30 1. You can use apps not from the app store but maybe they are Not Safe. But you can do it
2. You can use other cloud streaming apps, you just need to download them and put your files in
3. Just use WhatsApp or Telegramm or Instagram or any app, maybe SMS
4. There are other smart watches which can be used with the iphone. But they are often not so good. You cant use the apple watch with android but you also cant use a google watch with the iphone
5. There are numerious other payment options like paypal or apps from your bank. But this is the one point where the alternatives are really not as good. So a valid point
🚩Trump: I’m no puppet.
🚩Cook: There’s no monopoly here.
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Russia agrees with you
Biden: I'm fit for office!
*continues to fall, stumble, forget and fail to form a understandable sentence, walks away confused not knowing what is going on in the world*
Olaf Scholz: I'M NO WARMONGER!!!!
*continues to send Ammo, Rockets and Tanks to Ukraine*
iOS on non-apple made products sounds like a good idea.
So when you getting rcs apple. Time to adopt current cellular standards
This was funny when a woman picking up the two iPhones in her hand to see which one is better and they both look the same 🎉🎉
Agree 100% that's why I never used apple in my life
It’s about time
I feel like United Health is the worst Monopoly...
You really had to tuck that "if the DOJ is right, then it's a real win for consumers" at the very end huh.
Government goes after big tech but true monopolies, eyeglasses, cable, and prescriptions, are all off the table
"We have no monopoly there is no monopoly here" will become a meme
We are not a monopoly, we bought the definition of monopoly in every language and clearly removed all mentions about Apple, you can check!
It's true apply make it hard to switch
Someone tell the DOJ these 4 words: "Just Buy an Android".
It’s amazing how people are seriously pretending like this isn’t an option.
The iPhone isn't a monopoly, but the App Store is, this is true for the Play Store as well. In Apple's case, you cannot even develop an iOS app without Apple hardware.
@@happy_thinking I don’t agree about the App Store, but I don’t think the courts do either.
Wasn’t this the main issue with Epics lawsuit, which they lost?
If you are an Apple user, it is never about buying an Android. You can't really get your iCloud data that easy, you will need to download all your iTunes content too, some apps even when they are available on Android will require a new login and basically new start, you will need to buy back many of your apps of choice, if you own other Apple devices, you will likelly have to replace them withy other free options because Apple products don't work great with non-Apple products (or at all), so yeah you can "just buy an Android" but you would literally need to start over your digital life, not to mention several other hardware units. All that difficulty is purposedly imposed by Apple, and that makes it a clear monopoly.
@@ChanningChea I think so. Apple like Amazon uses its power to destroy the competition.
In several cases, if Amazon couldn't buy a company they introduced knock-off brands that don't play by the same rules.
The same is true for Apple. One example is Apple Pay where the same rules weren't applied for them and their competitors.
So you are free to disagree, but you would be wrong.
P.S. This is true for Google as well. I don't remember the details on this one, but a similar situation where Google was threatening companies to include Google apps like Gmail and other stuff.
P.S. Personally I am against regulation, but I can see the reasoning.
Just Don't Buy Your Mom An Android 😂😂😂😂
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One of the facts I’ve choose Apple over any Google phone is how they handle the third party software on their phones. That level of security can’t be achieved otherwise, I’m afraid. And of course, they are actually well made. Now in terms of pricing, yeah Apple take a bit too much the goblin side.
You're paying a higher price for the perceived benefits you just mentioned, one of the key principles of product specialization and price discrimination (both of which benefit consumers). The markup Apple sets on its product is still within your willingness to pay based upon the benefits you perceive from said product. It seems the DOJ wants to force Apple to be like every other major tech company, which absolutely harms consumers who are seeking that perceived superiority in privacy and security and are willing to pay for such.
I don't know how this is even a discussion, would you say IKEA has a monopoly on chair making if 70% of the population bought chairs from them?
It's a monopoly in the sense Apple forces everyone to pay them a cut of app profits even if they use a different payment processor, and force everyone to use their parts and essentially ban third party parts for repairing customer owned Apple devices.
IKEA just sells furniture that goes in a house. Apple sells the house and charges IKEA a percentage (27%) of the price of the furniture regardless of how IKEA was paid.
Apple is like the mob boss charging ppl protection money.
It's the ecosystem of apple that is the problem. They must make it seamless so that consumers can use their products together with others
Monopoly isn't illegal here. The way they obtain it by anti completive strategies is the issue. The ecosystem, repair, etc. It keeps everyone out and customers in. That's anti competition
@@SparkPrincess Right to repair is another issue and not the one discussed here. If you watched the video, you would have seen that they are trying to prove that apple has the sole possession or control of the supply of smartphone/performance smartphone, you tell me, do they ?
Clicked on the video just to see the fan boys cry in the comments 😂
Microsoft did the same thing in the 90's and in the 2000 they finally lost in court and everyone benifeted from that defeat. And now Apple is doing the same trash they complaint about year ago. What really sucks is that it's being 24 years to finally say "enough!".
The real Monopoly are Ticketmaster and Live Nation!! Fix those over priced crooks!
They should go after the cable companies then.if you dont have competition you pay up your asz for service
Second question out of all of the reporters here, how many are using iPhone?
There more are monopoly companies then my 10 fingers and 10 toes combine...Boy the justice so behind in its times....
It's pretty weird to hear that apple is so dominant since in my country android completely dominates the market.
I bought my 1st iPhone this year. In four years I am buying an Android. Don't think Apple has a monopoly.
That’s like saying stores at Disneyland is an illegal monopoly
just ask a TH-cam reviewer. apple is monopolizing its product. I have switched to iOS, Android, and Windows PC. boy it surely is hard to communicate with everyone if you are on Android especially if Apple doesn't allow you to send to Facetime or even use Airdrop to my laptop
Why would it? It’s a different operating system from a different company using totally different hardware, and software. Does that make it anti competitive?
apple "doesn't allow" it sounds like you can inherently do that if apple doesn't deliberately stop you, but the truth is these features do not just fall from the sky, it takes many resources to develop these features, apple just doesn't think it's worth the effort
You have choices. Get another phone. Use another app you probably already have like ig you can use to video chat. Use your cloud to transfer files. Ppl use apple because they don’t want to think for themselves. They just want it to work
@@noizz4it’s just WiFi/bluetooth with a new name… I would be surprised if it costs 100k in r&d
As a life long Android user, you don't have to use airdrop, FaceTime or SMS. Google meet/duo, Whatsapp, FB messenger. Android quick share for airdrop replacement. There are plenty of options.
When Apple says their locked down ecosystem is for "security and privacy", what that really means is they don't trust their users to make their own decisions when choosing products. But Apple doesn't think its users are unable to make their own decisions for security and privacy, it worries that they can't be competitive if their users are given choice.
You can still have iMessage, but support RCS in a good way.
You can still have the App Store, but allow other app stores.
You can still have Apple Wallet, but support generalized standards and the transferring of user data across services.
You can still have AirDrop, but make Bluetooth sharing across operating systems usable.
The argument has never been that Apple can't have a highly integrated ecosystem with security and privacy benefits, it's always been that those features shouldn't preclude Apple users from choosing other products and services that fit their individual needs better.
So you’re saying that I should be able to play all Nintendo games on Xbox or play station? Because it’s the same thing, if you make a product then you have a right to focus entirely on that product regardless of what the competition is doing and what’s even more both Android and Apple allows for 3rd party messaging apps and thus they don’t have to do jack when it comes to iMessage and the Android version of its message app.
Definitely not true, cybersecurity engineer here, most of my workplace uses iPhones because of the security aspect. The reason why Apple can patch their products so quickly after attacks and offer such lengthy OS support is because of the limited amount of devices and app sources. When you open the flood gates, now it’s harder to control where malware is coming from. One of the basic things you learn in cybersecurity is to limit the number of avenues of attack and unfortunately for Android phones, third party apps and side loading is one of the biggest outlets for low level spyware. I think Apple has a solid defense in this case.
Crapple treat their users like morons.
Have the gov’t ever thought that Apple’s large market share is due to consumers’ preference? I like Apple products and I agree that its closed system does provide better security. From what I heard, most often than not, security breach happened with 3rd parties.
I hope that the laws of the United States can make them learn what fair competition is.
why is no one talking about freedom of repair and how Apple has done things to stop ways for third parties to repair?
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3:50 i just realized why theyre doing this. They all have Iphones (congress etc) and they cant do alot of what Android users can do. So theyre just gonna take the whole company down instead of making a law... Which is a waste of time too. More " im rich I should get what i want"
Idk why people dont just get other products if they hate apple products. No one is forcing you to buy apple or use apple.
I think the doj has bigger issues to worry about. And should find better ways to use taxpayer funds. This is a fishing expedition.
How super apps improve security and privacy?
apple was always a monopoly, i blame MS for saving them from bankruptcy & google for supporting ios
The EU and now the US is putting apple between a rock and a hard place
Hmm.. Break up the company like Standard Oil.. And we'll have Oranges, Pears, Coconuts, Grapefruits and etc 😂😂😅
Watching this on an iPhone