As an emt I can definitely confirm that nursing home residents get mistreated way more often than you may think. So many of our calls are nursing homes that dropped a patient (or they dropped themselves), or for patients who have been septic for hours and are nearly dead bc they waited the last possible moment to call, and one time they literally called for a headache and when we show up the guy was unresponsive apparently since before they even called and we ended up starting cpr. In a building where pretty much everyone is qualified to do cpr. And they just watched. I actually have so many horror stories from nursing homes and it’s actually so eye opening cause I don’t think people realize a lot of nursing homes are jails with piss soaked carpet.
The children who put them in that living hell are at fault too. Why would you hand over your parents at their most vulnerable time who looked after you for decades to a random corporation
We broke our grandfather out of his nursing home. No one knew he was even in there until he called me up one week and asked me to come get him. Turns out our Mom surprised him with it when his wife died. He was perfectly healthy, too! There are six of us kids, and we all took turns for about a year to come down and spend time with him on and off, working remotely, to help him get back to full health. We also had an intervention for our mother, even flying remote siblings out to participate. He went from on his death bed to springing back to life. He got his catheter removed, and now he goes to the gym, got reinvolved in the church, and enjoys life again. Thing is, though, for most nowadays, they already live in a nursing home. Your life will flourish wherever you put in the energy. But you can't do it from your bed.
@@Noname-iq1gzI'm half blind. Expecting trained medical staff who chose their job to do their job isn't wrong. Not everyone can take care of their parents.
@@Noname-iq1gzimagine you're 40 years old. You have two kids coming up on college you need to pay for, a mortgage, car payment. Both you and your wife work. A lot. You don't get to see your kids much as it is. You have a parent with Alzheimer's and needs constant supervision. Even if they were the greatest parent in the world 30 years ago, what are you supposed to do? If you quit your job you lose your house. But SS will pay the nursing home bill. So what do you choose?
My old roommate wws an rn for nursing homes. She complained so much about having to fix the laziness and neglect of other nurses. If the home doesnt allow personal phones of the old folks, red flag.
I have worked as a nurse before in facilities. The problem isn't as much laziness as much as short staffed. Nurses working several floors alone. Cnas having 20+ patients. It is very hard to find staff no one likes to work in facilities it's a hard job.
The phone rule is sketch, but it’s really important because scammers and frauds specifically target numbers in areas with nursing homes. Ol dementia granny is not gonna listen to anyone when the IRS found her dear son on the border with a kilo. The rule is kinda a lose-lose either way.
@@ilovethebeach1877it also doesn't help that a lot of these places are paying next to nothing to work there. So you have high staff turnover due to being understaffed, overworked, and underpaid.
As an RN who has worked these hell holes, please sue. That's the only way to hold these facilities accountable. They staff to the bare bones, knowing full well that staff and patients are endangered. As long as the C-suite gets their quarterly numbers and bonus, they don't care.
As an LPN currently stuck in these hell holes--hard agree. My med pass is so restrictingly heavy I don't have time to adequately assess residents when they deteriorate
I am the nurse for 60 patients every night and that ratio is definitely the most unsafe ratio I've ever worked at. And these people pay almost $9,000 a month each to live where I work and they can't afford another nurse apparently🙄
@@snoopy1977 at the beginning of the pandemic, as local agency I had the unfortunate displeasure to work a NH for 3 months. 50+ pts, All the Vitals, All the Acu-checks, all the work that wasn't cleaning the patient was my responsibility. 12hrs of running. For the crappiest pay in the profession.
I work at a hospital and honestly, sue us to hell. PLEASE. We are not purposely mistreating your loved ones. We are trying our best but management is stretching us to the thinnest
You are foolish, if they sue hospital, they sue staff separately as well so you are begging to be sued. And then no raises and cut in benefits. Are you insane?
@@People_R_Foolishno they don't sue the staff. And indeed lawsuits is how improvements happen. If a company knows it will get sued it wants to avoid it and thus gets more and better stuff. Its not that deeo
Amen to that. I work in a care home for dementia patients, and there's literally no situation where more staff wouldn't be at least beneficial, if not completely necessary. The owners have maxed out the staff they're willing to hire, and are always looking to cut costs. (I'm in the UK as opposed to America. I can't begin to imagine how much worse it would be with the the US insurance system.)
Yesssss!!!! People have a really hard time accepting this. Same with doctors, the whole “they get paid for writing scripts” nonsense, when most the time the doctors just aren’t willing to incur legal risk due to litigious insurance companies. Super reasonable behavior, and we need to change the incentive structure, not demonize the individuals. Same with cops tbh.
I know of a case where an elderly woman escaped a nursing home and went all the way to her son's house to sit in the garden. He called the nursing home and they assured him his mother was still there and that she just had received dinner a moment ago. It's disgusting how badly the elderly are treated. They're not seen as human by many of the staff.
My mom passed away during COVID while her nursing home was on lock down. She had been deteriorating since arriving at that specific one and we couldn’t get her transferred due to Medicaid (like you mentioned, it’s just flat out tough.) She called 911 three times the day she passed. The nursing home sent them away each time, claiming it was an incapacitated patient who kept calling. My mom had a POA, but was no where near incapacitated nor found to be by a doctor. When she passed out, the facility called 911 and let them take her finally. I had to sign papers to take her off of life support that same night. She died of sepsis and had bed sores so bad that you could see her bones. It took nearly a year, but I’d finally found an attorney confident enough to take her case and sue them. Even Morgan & Morgan turned me away because they said it was a losing case from the start. My attorney sued the facility, insurance company, and a few other parties and won after a year of litigation. Don’t wait until your loved ones are gone to fight for them, y’all.
I work as a CNA in a nursing home and I have seen this before. I am so sorry for your loss. Every facility, even the high end ones, wait until the last possible second to send people out and it's heartbreaking to see because we KNOW that they need outside help. Again, so sorry for your loss, I hope you're doing better
Thank you for sharing your story. It's awful that your loved one was so mistreated, I'm glad you were able to win the battle. I hope other people can see that it is possible to push through a system that wants to shut down your concerns. It's just a shame it's so difficult to get justice in the first place
My grandfather passed away last month due to the direct neglect and "care" the nursing home administered and my family is actively suing them into the ground.
As a nurse, I‘ve heard many horror stories from nursing homes. They often times try to cut corners to save money (e.g. using material like adult dipers less even if the patients really need a new one) and are severely understaffed (one RN for the whole nursing home at night). Plus the staff is underpaid and burned out.
I do deliveries overnight, and one of my stops is a nursing home. I showed up last February at 3 am. and found a woman outside with her pants down, soiled, and the door to the nursing home locked. They locked the doors at 11 p.m., so she was outside in the middle of winter, barely conscious for at the very least 4 hours. Thank god it was high 30°f that morning because the rest of the week was close to 0°f and this poor woman would have frozen to death before I found her. If it was a day before or a day after, there is a really high chance she would not have survived their mistake. I imagine the family is going to sue them because it's an insane situation that never should have happened.
My grandmother was in 3 nursing homes over the course of two years. They all resulted in bed sores, odd scratches and (for the last nursing home) literal bugs in her hair. The last time she was ever in a home, we walked in to find her on the floor with ants crawling on her and crying for help. We could tell she had been there for a long while. There were so many other issues. I was a paralegal at the time for a law firm that deals with elder abuse, and urged my parents to go after them for almost killing my grandma but they never did because it was so expensive
@@AnnaMaria-ff5fw she ended up coming to live with us for another 5 years before she passed from Alzheimer’s. Much better than the alternative of being alone in a home.
I don't know where you live, but in the US if you bring a lawsuit against a facility, you don't have to pay anything. Lawyers will take the case on contingency, and will only get paid if they win and will take a part of the settlement.
@@impalamama7302 I did tell my parents this would likely be the case, I wasn’t too informed at the time about it, but they didn’t care to hear it. I think the stress and regret they felt was just too big and they thought it was all their fault.
@@Inkspired.Sweets I’m sorry to hear that, your family went through something really tough but I’m glad your grandma got to live with her loved ones in her final years I’m sure that meant everything to her❤️
My father ended up in a nursing home. Originally, it was to rest up after surgery. Then, he fell down while going to the bathroom and he ended up losing his leg. He never left the nursing home after that. I would visit each night, to help the nurse put him in his bad at night. Otherwise, it could be hours before they had the time to help him.
Worked at a nursing home. On my unit, we had 6 CNAs, 1 med tech (to assist with passing medications), 1 LPN, and 1 RN. To care for 58 patients. I've talked to lots of nurses who have worked at other nursing homes, and they're like "i would do anything for that kind of staffing." To contrast, on my hospital unit, we have 3 CNAs, and 5 nurses plus a secretary for 28 patients. Lots of people here talking about "lazy nurses" but when you're the one trying your best to care for these people on absolute barebones "keep them alive another day" levels of staffing, you burn out. Quickly.
Exactly. I work in a nursing home as an aide. Evening shift is 2 to 4 CNA and 1 LPN on each unit. Night shift it’s 2 to 3 CNAs to one LPN. There are 40 residents on each unit. People only love talk about things that they don’t know. Like we can do better when accidents happen? With the staffing at my workplace, accidents are always happening! And MANAGEMENT doesn’t care. They haven’t done anything to improve staff. It just keeps getting worse by the day.
They’re just ignorant of the laws protecting them. I’ve worked with the state department that oversees nursing home and assisted living licensures for a few years and not one of the residents knows about the regulations in place to keep them safe. They don’t know which state departments to call. Doesn’t seem to matter how many posters or brochures are left, it’s always news. All the regulations are public information. It’s a lot, written in legal terms, so can feel boring if you’re uninterested or overwhelming if you’re not a reader. The info is there, however. Either learn or don’t and suffer the consequences when you’re of age and in need of 24/7 care, but can’t afford it in your own home.
As a someone who is going into work as a care aide i can tell you there definitely are some bad eggs in the facilities but a huge part of the problem is staffing shortages and having 1 care aide to like 20 residents
My mom worked in a Nursing Home preparing and serving food and such. One day she came back and revealed for $20, FOUR PIECES OF RAVIOLI WERE SERVED. TWENTY WHOLE DOLLARS FOR FOUR PIECES. She quit not too long after that, among many other reasons. And now she strongly recommends everybody stay clear from there
My mother was being mistreated (mostly neglect), and I threated a lawsuit. Situation improved dramatically overnight. And when they started to slough off down the road, I raised that spectre again and again, and things always improved.
As a paramedic, I'm getting tired of these nursing homes. 4:47 in the morning, 2:00 in the afternoon, 10am, 8am, 6pm, its all the same shitty excuses. "Oh i just got on" "Oh this isnt my patient" "They were fine 10 minutes ago" ma'am their body is cold and rigid with lividity and bed sores
Nursing homes need more regulation. There needs to be jailtime. Having been an EMT for 8 years, they are internment camps for senior citizens. If you put your loved one in a home, keep an eye on how often they're getting sent to the ER for "evaluation". Often times, it's a lazy nurse and not a sick loved one.
Jail time for who? The staff are put in these impossible situations were they just isn’t enough time in the day to care for all the patients that they are assigned.
@@MikeRafiLawyer I would assume they meant management or owners. But donovian did say lazy nurse at the end. I do think a lot of these places are run terribly and try to make as much money as possible with as few staff as possible. When a place is run really badly the employees that stick around don't tend to be the best. Even people that started with good intentions, your standards need to slip and become comfortable with the bad environment otherwise you wouldn't be able to stay. I still blame owners / management though.
Nursing homes are the second most regulated industry in the USA after nuclear power plants. What they need is better staffing, but that’s not going to happen in our current system
@@MikeRafiLawyer So, I spoke brashly, but I stand by it. I've seen the difference between nurses put in impossible situations and nurses who are irresponsible and dismissive. On one hand, we've waited for entry because a single nurse is in charge of two separate floors in a wing; that's not necessarily her fault. On the other hand, we've waited so long that we're on the phone with the sheriff's office to get entry just as a nurse reeking of fresh smoke appears to let us in. I've had a nurse want to sheetdrag a patient with a femur fracture and then just leave the room when we push back against that. So, while they are put in these bad positions, a lot of them also make bad choices in those moments. I am aware that a lot of times it's the management in these places who put nurses in a pinch, and in an ideal world there'd be justice for that. In my position I interact more with the nursing staff than I do with management. A lot of the "good ones" tend to either get hired-up to better facilities or self-select and get a new career. Especially in my area (mostly rural with small urban) regulation of SNFs is poorly done, but even when I was working in metropolitan areas I saw it. The entire crisis is a systemic one, not centered on staffing. I get that. But there aren't nearly as many consequences for being reported to DHHS and the like as people like to pretend there are. You and I are interacting with the crisis from different perspectives, so we won't necessarily see the same things.
@donovian2538 there's already mechanisms in place, firing poor employees, lawsuits, malpractice etc. We also have things called laws already in place. What other professions should we jail for being bad at their job? EMT's have patients for minutes and have more staff members show up than are in an entire building. It's very easy to say you'd be better at something you've never done before. Wild guess you're a Trump supporter too right
My great grandmother was injured by the nursing home she was in 2014, i think they dropped her and she broke her hip and died not long after, i don't think that nursing home is still open
The one I worked in was bad. Had the bad CNAs, nurses, bed sores, drug resistant bugs, all of it. The thing that stood out to me was that it’s equal parts incompetent staff (you’re either new or the bottom of the barrel if you work in a nursing home) AND the ridiculous staffing ratios. 19:1 ratios for nurses. 19:2 for CNAs. Absolutely fucking crazy.
This makes sense i mean if you want to work at a nursing home then you probably want to help the elderly but low staffing, long hours, neglect to the employees, low pay, the way people stop caring when apathy attacks and so much more is probably really hard to deal with for new people
@@cszero2109 neither are good (although, if you have more cna/caregivers you can have fewer nurses) when i worked in an Adult Care Facility, and we had 1 care giver to every 10-20 residents during the day, and 1 care giver to every 20-40 residents at night. we were supposed to have a minimum of 4 caregivers at night, but due to staffing issues, burnout, and poor pay, we had 2-3 most nights. during the day we were supposed to have 7-8, but due to the same issues we had 6 most days. i left because of the hours (working 3-4 16 hour days out of a 5 day week) and the stress of having to get meds to 20+ residents. towards the end of my time there i had repetedly broken down and cried because of the stress i was under, and had to go to the hospital once because of the effect it was having on my health.
@1993rnicholson I've worked in places where I was the only nurse in a building of 150 residents for 8 hours with just 2 cnas.... why? Because every other nurse had already been working doubles and back to back shifts. Oh and we didn't have a secretary or a person at the front desk either, so we were also answering phones, opening the front door, and everything else... It's not always crappy staff, sometimes you just don't have the ability to do any better.
@@Galedriall exactly its apathy being born from some of the worst working conditions and inability to do everything you can for everyone because we are human not Superman
seen what they do to people in a nursing home, they thought we dumped my grand mother off to just die alone, they were wrong we busted them stealing from her and all sorts of crap. not to mention one of her roomates was left to just rot and strave to death as they would bring her food but not feed her
@@josephcoon5809some people require care that family cannot provide. just dropping someone off at a nursing home and not paying any attention to their treatment is one thing, but people arent evil for seeking assistance with that care, especially when theyre paying attention and focusing on improving that care
@josephcoon5809 you really believe in a business model that kills elderly? Do you not think a reasonable person would assume to get care at a nursing home? Like what the fuck are you on retard
@@josephcoon5809you an absolute moron. Keep your braindead opinions to yourself, quite literally not a single person wants to hear you spew your retarded bullshit
There's a lot of people here who have had bad experiences, and I wanted to add a little positivity and thank the places that took such good care of my father. He went from ICU through several tiers of care until finally skilled nursing facility, and they were all very patient and competent with him. (I understand most of these stories come from lower-skilled tiers of care.)
One of my dad's friends suffered a stroke and went to a nursing home / physical therapy place, and the neglect was awful. The nurses didn't even want to deal with having to go to patients in their individual rooms, so for the ENTIRE block of time from lunch to dinner, they sat everyone in their wheelchairs and sat them in the sort of communal dining area... They didn't care that everyone who could still express themselves were begging to go back to their room for some rest / privacy. The nurses just don't care esp if they see that you don't get visitors. Deplorable behavior.
You could push for legislation that fires the bad nurses to replace them with people who are fine going room to room you'll find plenty of people willing and able to do that. My concern if I work in this field is if I'm left literally alone with 61 patients. It's like sure I want to help everyone but I got maybe 6-12 minutes to spend per patient during an 8 hour period. And 100% for 7 hours I won't be there for someone's loved one because I'm helping a patient. If a situation like this arises it's kind of a management issue with a lack of staff.
@@genericscout5408this relates to what I witnessed while visiting my parents in their respective facilities. The staff were usually not lazy but time poor. The feedback I get from non-western people is that we tend to forget about our elders more so once they’ve out of site in NHs and the treatment is substandard given the minutes per day they get like you said and lack of autonomy they would enjoy if at a family home
If you have someone in a nursing home, GO VISIT THEM! Do it frequently. The staff will notice that the resident has folks who care about them. They realize that you will notice if the resident is being mistreated, & they don't want to be called out if they are.
@@genericscout5408the problem with nursing homes is they don't pay crap. So anyone who actually cares is going to be quickly dogged down by management and crap policies, and then you have family members blaming you for every little thing. I worked in one at 2 different points, and it was a constant rotation of staff. Management let patients' loved ones walk all over us. I'm not talking about them properly advocating for the patient but rather about how family members would berate us for listening to the patient's wants over the family member's. I worked in a really nice one that had activities for patients throughout the day, had a small hair salon where a lady would come in twice a week, and a shuttle service to help take patients to any appointments or shopping. So in general, patients seemed happier and healthier. I'm not saying the low pay warrants ever treating another human being like trash, I am saying legislation won't help knock out the bad nurses because anyone worth having won't last long due to the hassle and low pay and usually the problem folks don't have anywhere to go, so they stick around.
If your loved one is in a nursing home, have cameras put around their room. I say this as someone who used to work in a high end nursing home. They were probably better cared for than in most nursing homes. Still, i'd say put the cameras up. Safer that way.
Oh! This is fully legal in minnesota. You can put a "nanny" cam in assisted living or what not room- just required to state you have a camera. But they legally can't say no.
I was a juror for 3 months on an Elder Abuse trial, 3 separate defendants. Listening to the witness testimonies of the abuse, living conditions, and seeing the pictures of the physical damages was SO damn hard to absorb and maintain impartiality.
I don't work in a nursing home, but I've worked for ambulance companies and I've worked in a hospital. What I can tell you is that special care that your loved one is getting is at the detriment of others who are getting less. It is basically creating more victims. And I can tell you that although staff might get blamed 99% of the time the majority of the time it is understaffing, overcrowding, and greedy private equity firms that have
I'm eternally grateful that all of my grandparents were able to spend their final years in their own homes, surrounded by family, and being cared for by trusted, paid community members. They could die in peace and with dignity. There was a lot of factors that went into it but my family was insanely priveleged for this to have been the casen; we had money, time, a large family, and they had pensions and savings. This type of death care shouldn't be predicated on having extensive resources - ALL of our elders deserve dignity at the end of their life. Period.
I’m so very thankful for the facility that I live in the staff are kind considerate very proficient at their jobs, and they treat us very well. They are human beings, and things can happen, but they always handle it very professionally, and a very transparent, and as a very less I can actually really only think of one thing serious that happened and it wasn’t their fault at all.
Couple of things on this as a former CNA: First, if you can avoid it, absolutely do not put your loved ones in a nursing home. If they can get a home healthcare worker, it's WAAAAAAAY better for them emotionally. Nursing homes have more drama than high schools. I've worked in both, and there's no comparison. Second, the main reason people have injuries or whatever in a nursing home is a combination of two factors. First, facilities are HORRENDOUSLY understaffed. Most of the staff are there because they care and want to help people who need it, but unfortunately there's just not enough staff ever to give everyone the full care they need. Secondly, facilities are overcrowded, which amplifies the problems of understaffing. It's SUPER frustrating. A lot of the times people get injured in a facility, it's because the staff is taking shortcuts to meet this person's needs so they can get to another person. There is a LOT of pressure on staff in facilities to go go go. I was one of the quickest and best CNAs at the facility who rarely took shortcuts. Staff and residents loved me. I routinely broke 25k steps a day, about half of which was the first few hours of my shift when I had to get everyone up and at breakfast by 8, and my shift started at 6. I couldn't keep that pace up and burnt myself out HARD, and had to leave. Leaving was painful, because I cared so deeply about my residents, but if I kept trying to do 12 hour shifts working myself to the bone, I wouldn't have survived. I literally got told to sit down by the nurses because I was always moving lol.
I am a CNA in a nursing home, I can 100% assure you we aren’t out to hurt or mistreat your loved ones, they pay us fucking PENNIES for the monstrous amount of shit we do, we’re genuinely just there because someone’s gotta do it and we like helping people.
Why do society relying on absolute strangers to fulfill their own duties? What happened to all the villages that not only took care of their elderly, but respected them as a font of wisdom?
@@taterkaze9428 Yes. 50 families working together for common causes. Tell me what makes more sense: 1. 50 families buying a lawn more each. 2. 50 families collectively owning 1 lawnmower.
@josephcoon5809 very easy to virtue signal online, much more difficult in practice in modern society. Did you run to your grandparents house to aid them in their ailing years?
I worked night shift at a nursing home as a cna, it was just me, one other cna and an RN for our floor of 30 residents. Management told us we didn't need more staff because the residents were supposed to be sleeping, but sundowning is a huge problem and several residents would become confused and agitated right as day shift left. Falls happened all the time and many residents wouldn't get bathed that day if day shift couldn't get to it before we got there. PLEASE sue, it's the only thing that makes management listen and staff appropriately
This is why it is SO IMPORTANT to have a good relationship with your family members, if possible. You want your family to come visit you and advocate for you when something isn't going well.
My mom spent a significant time in a nursing home. We discovered that residents who regularly had visits from friends/family who paid attention to their treatment were treated much better than those who did not have regular visitors.
If you have a loved one in a nursing home, the best way to prevent neglect without needing grounds for litigation is to visit them. Sadly the people who get visitors get the best care and the staff exploits the fact that no one visits the rest. My great aunt wound up in a private room with a stream of visitors coming in when she first was admitted. As time went on, it slowed down. My aunt (her niece) put her in a home close to her, but pretty inconvenient to everyone else. The my great aunt wound up with a roommate when I visited next. Then they were overcrowded, so another roommate the next time. Then bruises started appearing. We could not get her out of there. She died from a fall, but my aunt did not want to sue. That burns me so bad because they'll just keep right on treating people that way if you didn't hit them where it hurts... In the wallet.
I actively work in a carehome for dimensia patients and safety is the utmost priority. Right along side preserving dignity and independence where possible. But ive also worked in homes where the clients are neglected and i had to leave because my concerns about the treatment of the clients was appauling. And i was threatened with legal action if i tried to speak out about the abuse. Fortunately when i spoke to the licenser about these issues they kept me anonymous and after a signal inspection the home was shut down and the provider was fined without the need to even go to court. They were found to
A good alt is an adult family home. Provided you research them and check gov records, you can find really good ones. Usually, better care, hygiene, and outcomes.
The only experience i have with nursing homes is walking through them to take care of tiny courtyards in the middle of them as a landscaper. The amount of patients asking for us to help them get out is crazy. The workers who let us in were super strict on how we had to enter and leave so nobody would try to break out. They really are just prisons for old people
My grandmother was in one and was super mistreated (besides this one nurse Desireé, idk how her name was spelled) and the other was like visiting extended family who cared.
That all seems to be getting even worse now that private equity firms have begun to dominate the nursing home space. We really need universal, single-payer healthcare, (which includes eye/dental, mental healthcare, & end-of-life/long-term care. ASAP.)
It's never going to happen in the US because america isn't a country but an economic zone. You can do those sorts of things where people actually care for one another or have some ties but it's deeply unpopular to have total strangers be forced to care for and pay for one another.
Single payer would make everything worse. Nursing homes are dominated by government insurance and they are the root of the problem. We need less government and more private oversight, and less big government money paying lawyers to help them get away with this elder abuse.
I use to work in a nursing home and at one point my grandmother became a resident. People would make comments that I could keep an eye on staff and make sure she is getting good care. My response was "I would like to think my presence wouldn't effect the care she receives. Her caregivers should treat all their patients with the same level of respect."
Yes we treat our elderly family like a problem instead of a grandma, or grandpa. We take them from there homes that they love and put them somewhere where they loss there voice. I worker with elderly for 20 years and people are getting younger and younger in homes.. Its not just 70 and up. Its 45-65 year oldest too...
My mother worked in that kind of place for a while. She also had shifts on the floor with the elderly who had learning/mental disabilities. She saw nurses being extremely rough, rude, careless with patients. Had to do most of the work that other nurses didn't do. Had nice conversations with the patients so they had some interactions, even if they didn't talk themselves. The things she would tell me about how they were treated by others angered me, and it angered her too. What ended the job was an injury, slipped on the floor and was paid barely anything cause she couldn't do some tasks, her bonuses were removed. That's a whole other infuriating story, but she was glad to be gone in the end. Work environment was awful and seeing patients being mistreated while being unable to do anything about it takes a toll on the mental health... My grandma is currently at the hospital and my mother is her biggest advocate when it comes to how she's being treated. If someone is rough with her, it will be reported immediately. She knows the drill. I love her to death, she's the best.
Before my grandma passed, her nursing home refused to do much. She would go for walk in the backyard and fell a number of times to the point she almost broke her nose because staff wouldn’t pay attention to those living there. The whole industry needs to be fixed.
I fucking hate the staff of these places they don't care. My grandmother come to find out was dehydrated so badly that it lead to her having a heart attack. She was not breathing for 5min. She was brain dead before she made it to the hospital. My coworker had called the place her mother was staying in multiple times saying hey she calls us everyday, she's not responding can you check on her right now. They didn't and she was found dead having fallen unable to move for 16hours. It doesn't take much, if they had kept my grandmother hydrated or just checked on that lady
I’ve seen this happen. I was a witness to a patient with sundowners who would come out of their room and hurt themselves. A lot. 3 accidents happened in a one week span and I asked my boss why she wasn’t put in memory care and asked where the family was? She told me to mind my business. After the old woman broke her arm falling down this grand staircase, I realized the family had NO idea anything was going on and I talked to my boss who AGAIN then told me that if I told the family they would find a way to fire me by telling the board that I was stealing. I told the family and quit. Received no unemployment. But that woman finally was put into memory care. Our facility was so short staffed, especially at night. There were only 2 of us. It was impossible to keep an eye on her. The family was really grateful. I also left a note to the proper authorities about some other things I noticed while working there.
I honestly don't know if I could do a better job if I'm the only healthcare provider for the patients. That gives me like 8-12 minutes to see each patient during an 8 hour shift.
My mother used to do at-home care for elderly people and/or dementia patients. She had some wild stories, from theft (which is quite common sadly) to nurses causing first degree burns out of sheer maliciousness. She eventually quit because the company she used to work for basically cut all travel time from the schedule, making it so the nurses had 5 minutes in between all places, even if it realistically took 10-15 (or sometimes more), which means they had a cut time from all the customers. Time which they paid for, obviously, and was contracted. That particular company went down but it won't be the only one. She later went freelance through an employment agency, which led to some other dumb stuff, like one company asking her to work for them full-time (actually offering a great deal), but then failing her because she didn't have certain licenses they want. But they still kept hiring her through the agency for the exact same things she'd do if they actually took her in. And she had the expertise of what they wanted through the other licenses she had.
I worked as a director of maintenance in some nursing homes. And sometimes when people would file a lawsuit, the families put cameras in the room secretly and they were caught doing stuff like, shelving pencils other than under their fingernails. Pushing down on their bladder until they peed themselves. And then leaving them to lay in it until in the morning weather supposed to get checked every 15 minutes. On the hard floor. These are things healthcare people have been caught doing. Because sometimes it's really hard to catch them retaliating.
As someone who has been throught this. Have someone go in and start taking notes on all activity while visiting different residents. Things turn around fast.
This is why I sued the nursing home my mother was in on the first day she got there and kept the lawsuit in place until she died. She got perfect treatment.
99% of the workers at any nursing home are there to take the best care of the residents there. Unfortunately, there is just so much to do, and we are all so understaffed and underpaid that stuff slips through. Nursing homes aren't evil places for your loved ones to go die. Unfortunately, no one is perfect and shit gets missed. If you are looking for a nursing home for a loved one I'd recommend asking the CNAs and nursing staff directly how their experience is, what they think of the facility, if they are overworked, etc. I 100% agree that if a lawsuit was filed for your loved one, there would be almost no threat of retaliation. Instead, everyone working there would be walking on eggshells around your family member. It may make staff more cautious but also more scared to help in case they do something wrong.
Cna and nurses aren't the problem is the management. Trust me, as a safety officie and a wife that's a nurse that works in the nursing home. I had to threat the HR department to let my wife go to the doctor over an injury that happened. They stated that they didn't have a injury report or workers claim number to send her to the clinic. And CNA are scared and don't speak up on the lack of safety policies in place. Fk the management and HR department in all the facilities. Also the DON suck too. They get scare when your wrong OSHA or state Into it.
Similar situation with a friend at a very major healthcare facility in the SF Bay Area. This friend's health problem spanned at least 3 departments which didn't cooperate with each other. After years of ineffective treatment, friend's close friend, an MD and head of a department, along with several colleagues at another major healthcare facility on the East Coast, looked into it, analyzed it and then wrote to the CMO at the Bay Area hospital. Made it clear that lack of cooperation among various departments had put this patient's health in very serious and immediate danger of death due to sepsis. He said that if that happened, the next phone call would be from an attorney. Guess what? Action at last. Emergency surgery ensued. It's so sad that having to threaten a lawsuit is how to get effective action.
My grandpa had gone septic for about a day and has nearly passed away before the nurse decided to call despite the terrible condition he was already in with health problems that they were informed about and were required to constantly monitor him.
It's always rough. I would always, pretty much daily, visit my mom when she was hospitalized or recovering in a nursing home to make sure she wasn't abused and to make them take care of her better.
I went through this myself with my grandmother years ago. The nursing facility didn't change her, didn't give her medicine, didn't charge her equipment. In less than 24 hours, she was back in the hospital. They refused to call an ambulance. We told them if they didn't call, that we were going to call, and that we were going to press charges for elder abuse. They called. After the investigation, the facility has their license pulled by the state. They eventually got it back, but it took them 4 years to do so.
Had a supervisor that her mum was in an aged care facility. She wondered why her mum was so zonked out. They said something like "we give them more medicine so they'll stop annoying us with help requests".
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My Grandma lost the ability to speak after 3 months because she was completely ignored except to change her from her sick once a day. She was taken out, brought back home and now has family taken care of her. She regained the ability to talk and is still alive 4 years later, which I highly doubt would have been the case if she'd stayed. I have lost all faith in nursing homes. You are a paycheck in a bed, and as soon as you die, another paycheck will take your place.
My loved one died during the covid lockdown from neglect. He was in his late 60s, and he had gone in for rehabilitation, but they wouldn't let him leave due to the covid lockdown. They waited so long to call 911 that there was nothing that could be done once at the hospital. When I arrived at the hospital, his hair and beard had grown out, and he was so dirty. His nails were an inch long and dirty. He looked like a skeleton, and he was grey. He looked dead even though he wasn't technically dead yet. He died 2 hours after going to the hospital. I know the nursing home neglected him he was also a bit slow, so he wouldn't have complained about how he was treated. During covid, you weren't allowed to visit family in nursing homes. They got away with a lot of neglect and abuse during that time.
As a nurse, sue the nursing home. Those with active lawsuits get treated much better, because admin is always checking on those patients to make sure their pressure injuries (or what ever injury) is not becoming worse. Nursing homes are terrible, don’t put a loved one there unless you’ve no choice. There is usually one nurse, 2-3 techs, and like 60 patients. And it’s only going to get worse as the population ages.
I’m going through this very thing with my Daddy right now. They sent him to a hospital an hour away, told us he had a stroke, low bp and Oxygen level. Mind you my mother has cancer. So far we are told that he didn’t have a stroke, but an infection. This is the third time in three weeks that he’s been sent to the hospital 🤦🏼♀️🙏🏻😭
I have delivered medication to many of these facilities and it’s fascinating how some of them operate and how bad they can be. You can tell right away by the smell imo.
There also people who straight up just can't do the job to take care of 1-2 full adult people while working a full time job with absolutely no help in either. Like, it isn't anything like having kids. To say it's the same is insane. In situations like that you have no choice sometimes as in this stage of time it becomes nearly untenable.
@@josephcoon5809 this OP "can't imagine" why an adult child wouldn't want to spend time and a great deal of effort on their elderly parents. i was pointing out that not everyone is lucky enough to have parents worth spending time and effort on. mean, dismissive and or abusive parrents who wanted to be rid of their children at the earliest opportunity may not even deserve more then the most minimal care. so as for "think before you speak" i will retort "comprehend before you respond"
@@ARockRaider Think about why parents get that way, kiddo. Every generation, kids are learning to be “parents” on their own instead of passing down wisdom from generation to generation. So these kids raising their kids different than their parents raised them end up creating a cycle of strong men and weak men creating good times and bad times. You’re looking at one generation. I’m looking at multiple generations. Stop being such a narcissist.
My dad died 4 years ago. The nursing home claimed he had a sezure. They waited hours to call the Dr. The Dr. told them to call 911. They waited 45 more minutes before calling an ambulance. He was already dieing when they arrived (DNR) and he passed minutes after leaving. He did not have a sezure disorder and nobody would tell us exactly what happened. There were many terrible issues with his care and how they handled things afterward, but this was during Covid and although he did not have covid, we were told by 2 different atourneys that we did not have a case because of an executive order from the governor protecting hospitals, nursing homes, and medical providers. We will never get answers and nobody will ever be held accountable because the statute of limitations is past before I considered looking into filing criminal charges.
I worked in a skilled nursing facility. It truly is a case of the squeaky wheel gets the grease. The more vocal the residents and their families are the better they are treated.
My papa had a dislocated shoulder. Because he refused to say who did this to him, nothing was done after we reported them, other than he was moved to another nursing home where he lived his final days.
I used to work with a lady whose sister was in the nursing home. She got sent to the hospital twice within a year and almost died. The doctors believed they had given her someone else’s medication but had no way to prove it.
My grandmother was killed via neglect due to a nursing home. Literally from Stage 1 bedsores to Unstageable bedsores. We couldn't even file a lawsuit against them due to an arbitration agreement my aunt signed without reading fully.
As someone who has worked in *multiple* nursing homes and retirement facilities, but through the kitchen side of things, it's honestly an oddly complex situation. The work that some of the folks do on the daily, especially CNAs but really anyone who is directly caring for people, can easily break a spirit. That's usually where the abuse comes from, people who have let their frustrations turn outward. There are also some of the most compassionate people around. It's...a fascinating environment.
This is ultimately what killed my grandmother. She had a UTI that became septic by the bacteria entering through her bed sore. Thankfully my mom, aunts and uncles were able to transfer her from the hospital to a different nursing home where they actually cared (the previous nursing home only allowed visitation in a specific part of the home, with a metal fence between the visitor and the elder they are there to visit + 6 feet apart as a covid measure and my grandma had dementia so we didnt know what was happening), and she was able to live the last week of her life in a place that actually cared, but it took my mom and her siblings weeks of intensive searching and visiting to find one that was either covered or within budget AND that was good. I remember one of the ones that my mom visited in the search process just didnt allow visitation at all. I still wonder why no lawsuit has been filed since it happened less than 2 years ago. I miss my grandma and im glad that i was one of the last family members to speak with her before she passed (she passed less than 24 hours after i saw her, and i was fortunate enough to say my goodbye, and were were the last ones to see her on the last visitation day before she passed) and im glad to know that she was very well taken care of those last days. I still miss her though. We didnt know that anything was wrong until it was too late. My aunt had suspicion, though no proof, of something wrong just a few days before my grandma was hospitalized.
Well no because all the money you win would have to go straight back into paying off any loans associated with the legal proceedings. Lawyers are fucking expensive and these cases can take multiple years to settle. You never win in a lawsuit. You do it because it’s the right thing to do and holds bad companies accountable, but you do it knowing that you will lose even if you win.
I had my grandmother in nursing home from time. I was 13 years old to 29 when she died and I swear I went there every Sunday I made sure that my university didn’t have me coming on Sunday. I put off my last school until she after she died. I’m only going now to do a lot of school starting next year, I did two BAs. I was there every Sunday I had to go to another town. I didn’t have a drivers license because my insurance was too expensive living in the state. I was living because we’re 3000 miles apart so I moved to the East Coast. It was mental, but I did it with no help. My mother didn’t help me. Nobody help me I my husband at the time because obviously I got married the time before she died and I was 29. my husband without me giving me money he had a business. His parents passed on to him. That was close to coast thank God. And somehow we made it through. But I went you have to go every week minimum went a week and it took me all day to go there back stay the entire day. I would check her over with phone and I would go in and lose my shit on the Director if I saw any scratches, bruises cut so, especially since she was diabetic. And especially because she had Alzheimer’s I think it’s cruel what they do it’s the only option. Don’t wait till it’s too late and I think you’re doing admirable work by going out of your way and helping people or families Alzheimer’s patients cause there’s no lonely time there’s no time where you gonna find out. Who’s on your side who doesn’t care when you have somebody in the nursing home especially for a long time like I did.
This happened to my grandmother. Unfortunately we didnt know that we could've done something about it at the time, and its been a year since she's passed anyway..
My grandmother was mistreated in a home that was later investigated. My mom, who is currently in a nursing home, is regularly fed food she cannot eat without getting sick.
One of my parents used to work in a nursing home in the kitchen. I was young enough that I needed to be watched, but my mom often would sit me down in the dining room and Id entertain myself while she was working. I got to know a lot of the residents. I didn't see everything, but even then that place scared me. I always saw nurses being friendly, but its not normal for people to be going around always smelling of pee. Id frequently see the dementia residents wandering around unsupervised and a lot of them where at high risk of falls. And I also remember visiting some of them in their rooms (with my mom) and seeing filled bedbans sitting around. It was just a small glimps but I really hope my parents or I end up in one. There is unfortunately a limit on what kind of money and resources one has and nursing homes can cost a lot less than inhome care. If someones care needs end up being pretty high, I can see why financially someone has no other choice.
Yes, my mom was dropped the 1st day in the nursing home, this caused her to dislocate her hip that she just had major surgery to remove a tumor the size of a grapefruit b/c her doctor waited 3 years to take an xray for her hip pain. Just gave her pain meds for 3 years... It was after her radiation treatments that the "top" orthopedic ocologist at a univerisity hospital discovered her hip was dislocated prior to radiation treatment. And there is more, but I'll spare you. It too traumatic to remember all that happened. SMH.
Husband with alzheimers got a little rough with me, I asked my son how things like this were he had once worked in a nursing home, he said they were not permitted to stay.
Watched a market place episode and they said if the things they did in a nursing home was the same thing that a childcare facility did they would be closed and or jailed
I live in an Adult Family Home. My loved ones have reported them multiple times for multiple reasons over the 7 years I've lived here. Instead of things getting better, I've been treated worse and worse. It's hard for me to find anywhere that'll take me because of my age and mobility level, and the wait list for independent living is months to years long. So I'm stuck.
As previous staff, as an aide, I took the best care of my patients as possible. Each nursing home/state has certain policies. For example, a pressure pad (alarm went off when they stood) was considered a “restraint”. As a result, if a patient fell, we wouldn’t know until we checked their room or had a call light. In 2020, with rent at $1200, I was paid $9 an hour. I did not get PTO. In addition to that, I, one person, had at least 16 patients a day - 20 during Covid. I can’t speak for nurses. During state inspections, they had extra aides on the floor.. then, when they left, they cut the number down by half. So CNAs are treated poorly by nurses and the company, as well as the patients - verbally and physically abusive, throwing a bedpan at my head, trash cans at nurses… Instead of JUST blaming the staff, who are often abused too, blame the companies involved and the safety precautions that are taken. Bathing, feeding, passing trays, changing, answering call lights, helping nurses, and transferring was VERY difficult when you had 16 people to care for, often times not receiving a break. Nurses did NOT help. You’d stop your rounds, then immediately start again. These greedy companies are f*cking over their residents/patients by pocketing the insurance money and putting little money into the company, which included wages and the resources that we had for the residents (towels, diapers, pads, medicines). I would NOT recommend that job to ANYONE. I quit and never looked back.
I was a nursing assistant for 15 years and I can tell you, the residents that have families that advocate for them by filing a lawsuit, calling state or just being there consistently and asking lots of questions get treated far better. I have seen nurses and aides and even managers fired because they have mistreated residents who have that familial advocacy. It also seems like you get better care if you are a skilled patient (Medicare A) or if you are paying privately as opposed to the residents who are there under Medicaid. The way we treat our elderly in this country is absolutely appalling. It seems like most nursing homes only care about their bottom line at the end of the day.
I was a recovery staff for inhome care giving for a couple years. I covered alot of shifts/houses. I reported alot of other caregivers then quit. I was absolutely shocked how much of a mess everything was including medications. This was a government funded company (some court appointed patients) no surprise.
Im not american (swedish) and worked in a nursing home for an extended period of time. We had fancy roof lifts to safely move residenfss from their bed to their wheel chair, and all other equipment you could think of to make it safe. We were just so short staffed we didn't always have time to use it. Sometimes it's just quicker to scoop up an old lady than it is to get a harness in place and use the lift. It's dangerous.
I've worked in nursing homes, not for nursing homes, but in them. Even the nicest ones have serious problems. If I ever get to a point that I'm still alive and need to go to a nursing home I'm going to go out and do every crazy thing I ever wanted to do and hope I don't make it.
A facility ODed my grandpa on morphine that ultimately lead to his death. We talked to probably 20 attorneys. No one wanted to take take the case. They all said once the person dies it’s extremely hard to sue. One was very candid and said no one likes taking cases involving elderly people because the payout is always low. He said personal injury attorneys only want young clients whose lives were more substantially impacted because it has more money tied to it. Still angry they got away with it. I’ve always hated personal injury attorneys ever since.
We put my grandfather is a nursing home he had pretty bad lactose intolerance and almost every time we visited he had some form of dairy in his food we talked to the “dietician” multiple times and in our last conversation my mother said “if he had an allergy he would be dead” we moved nursing homes shortly after and moved to a place that actually gave a shit
There's also just general neglect. My grandmother ended up in hospital, completely disoriented. She had missed 2 or 3 meals and no one checked on her. She had gotten dehydrated and was a couple weeks getting straight. I believe the episode shortened her life.
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As an emt I can definitely confirm that nursing home residents get mistreated way more often than you may think. So many of our calls are nursing homes that dropped a patient (or they dropped themselves), or for patients who have been septic for hours and are nearly dead bc they waited the last possible moment to call, and one time they literally called for a headache and when we show up the guy was unresponsive apparently since before they even called and we ended up starting cpr. In a building where pretty much everyone is qualified to do cpr. And they just watched. I actually have so many horror stories from nursing homes and it’s actually so eye opening cause I don’t think people realize a lot of nursing homes are jails with piss soaked carpet.
The children who put them in that living hell are at fault too. Why would you hand over your parents at their most vulnerable time who looked after you for decades to a random corporation
We broke our grandfather out of his nursing home. No one knew he was even in there until he called me up one week and asked me to come get him. Turns out our Mom surprised him with it when his wife died. He was perfectly healthy, too! There are six of us kids, and we all took turns for about a year to come down and spend time with him on and off, working remotely, to help him get back to full health.
We also had an intervention for our mother, even flying remote siblings out to participate.
He went from on his death bed to springing back to life. He got his catheter removed, and now he goes to the gym, got reinvolved in the church, and enjoys life again.
Thing is, though, for most nowadays, they already live in a nursing home. Your life will flourish wherever you put in the energy. But you can't do it from your bed.
When did his heart stop beating?
@@Noname-iq1gzI'm half blind. Expecting trained medical staff who chose their job to do their job isn't wrong. Not everyone can take care of their parents.
@@Noname-iq1gzimagine you're 40 years old. You have two kids coming up on college you need to pay for, a mortgage, car payment. Both you and your wife work. A lot. You don't get to see your kids much as it is. You have a parent with Alzheimer's and needs constant supervision. Even if they were the greatest parent in the world 30 years ago, what are you supposed to do? If you quit your job you lose your house. But SS will pay the nursing home bill. So what do you choose?
My old roommate wws an rn for nursing homes. She complained so much about having to fix the laziness and neglect of other nurses. If the home doesnt allow personal phones of the old folks, red flag.
I have worked as a nurse before in facilities. The problem isn't as much laziness as much as short staffed. Nurses working several floors alone. Cnas having 20+ patients. It is very hard to find staff no one likes to work in facilities it's a hard job.
The phone rule is sketch, but it’s really important because scammers and frauds specifically target numbers in areas with nursing homes. Ol dementia granny is not gonna listen to anyone when the IRS found her dear son on the border with a kilo. The rule is kinda a lose-lose either way.
@@ilovethebeach1877it also doesn't help that a lot of these places are paying next to nothing to work there. So you have high staff turnover due to being understaffed, overworked, and underpaid.
And here we have it. Someone trying to defend ridiculous behavior. @@ilovethebeach1877
@@leiah6514your argument doesn't make sense with cell phones. Uncle Lincoln's phone is registered to me. His name isn't on it at all.
As an RN who has worked these hell holes, please sue. That's the only way to hold these facilities accountable. They staff to the bare bones, knowing full well that staff and patients are endangered.
As long as the C-suite gets their quarterly numbers and bonus, they don't care.
As an LPN currently stuck in these hell holes--hard agree.
My med pass is so restrictingly heavy I don't have time to adequately assess residents when they deteriorate
I am the nurse for 60 patients every night and that ratio is definitely the most unsafe ratio I've ever worked at. And these people pay almost $9,000 a month each to live where I work and they can't afford another nurse apparently🙄
@@snoopy1977 at the beginning of the pandemic, as local agency I had the unfortunate displeasure to work a NH for 3 months.
50+ pts, All the Vitals, All the Acu-checks, all the work that wasn't cleaning the patient was my responsibility. 12hrs of running.
For the crappiest pay in the profession.
@@snoopy1977$540k/mo, $6.4mil year. One nurse. Sue them into the dirt, they have the money to pay out.
I work at a hospital and honestly, sue us to hell. PLEASE. We are not purposely mistreating your loved ones. We are trying our best but management is stretching us to the thinnest
You are foolish, if they sue hospital, they sue staff separately as well so you are begging to be sued. And then no raises and cut in benefits. Are you insane?
@@People_R_Foolishno they don't sue the staff. And indeed lawsuits is how improvements happen. If a company knows it will get sued it wants to avoid it and thus gets more and better stuff. Its not that deeo
Amen to that. I work in a care home for dementia patients, and there's literally no situation where more staff wouldn't be at least beneficial, if not completely necessary.
The owners have maxed out the staff they're willing to hire, and are always looking to cut costs.
(I'm in the UK as opposed to America. I can't begin to imagine how much worse it would be with the the US insurance system.)
@@People_R_Foolish damn, username checks out on you, dumbass
Yesssss!!!! People have a really hard time accepting this. Same with doctors, the whole “they get paid for writing scripts” nonsense, when most the time the doctors just aren’t willing to incur legal risk due to litigious insurance companies. Super reasonable behavior, and we need to change the incentive structure, not demonize the individuals. Same with cops tbh.
I know of a case where an elderly woman escaped a nursing home and went all the way to her son's house to sit in the garden. He called the nursing home and they assured him his mother was still there and that she just had received dinner a moment ago.
It's disgusting how badly the elderly are treated. They're not seen as human by many of the staff.
The same happened to us,but in the "other end": my son ran home from Daycare...luckily,I was at home...
My mom passed away during COVID while her nursing home was on lock down. She had been deteriorating since arriving at that specific one and we couldn’t get her transferred due to Medicaid (like you mentioned, it’s just flat out tough.) She called 911 three times the day she passed. The nursing home sent them away each time, claiming it was an incapacitated patient who kept calling. My mom had a POA, but was no where near incapacitated nor found to be by a doctor. When she passed out, the facility called 911 and let them take her finally. I had to sign papers to take her off of life support that same night. She died of sepsis and had bed sores so bad that you could see her bones. It took nearly a year, but I’d finally found an attorney confident enough to take her case and sue them. Even Morgan & Morgan turned me away because they said it was a losing case from the start. My attorney sued the facility, insurance company, and a few other parties and won after a year of litigation. Don’t wait until your loved ones are gone to fight for them, y’all.
I work as a CNA in a nursing home and I have seen this before. I am so sorry for your loss. Every facility, even the high end ones, wait until the last possible second to send people out and it's heartbreaking to see because we KNOW that they need outside help. Again, so sorry for your loss, I hope you're doing better
Damn I’m so sorry that happened to you
Thank you for sharing your story. It's awful that your loved one was so mistreated, I'm glad you were able to win the battle. I hope other people can see that it is possible to push through a system that wants to shut down your concerns. It's just a shame it's so difficult to get justice in the first place
Thank you for fighting for your momma. I'm so sorry she and you had to go through this.
💔😭 I'm sorry, that is such an awful thing to go through
My grandfather passed away last month due to the direct neglect and "care" the nursing home administered and my family is actively suing them into the ground.
I know this is an old comment but I just wanted to with your family the best of luck.
@@hypnotoad885 i really appreciate it dude, thank you.
May your case go well.
As a nurse, I‘ve heard many horror stories from nursing homes. They often times try to cut corners to save money (e.g. using material like adult dipers less even if the patients really need a new one) and are severely understaffed (one RN for the whole nursing home at night). Plus the staff is underpaid and burned out.
I do deliveries overnight, and one of my stops is a nursing home. I showed up last February at 3 am. and found a woman outside with her pants down, soiled, and the door to the nursing home locked. They locked the doors at 11 p.m., so she was outside in the middle of winter, barely conscious for at the very least 4 hours. Thank god it was high 30°f that morning because the rest of the week was close to 0°f and this poor woman would have frozen to death before I found her. If it was a day before or a day after, there is a really high chance she would not have survived their mistake.
I imagine the family is going to sue them because it's an insane situation that never should have happened.
My grandmother was in 3 nursing homes over the course of two years. They all resulted in bed sores, odd scratches and (for the last nursing home) literal bugs in her hair. The last time she was ever in a home, we walked in to find her on the floor with ants crawling on her and crying for help. We could tell she had been there for a long while. There were so many other issues. I was a paralegal at the time for a law firm that deals with elder abuse, and urged my parents to go after them for almost killing my grandma but they never did because it was so expensive
That’s so horrible! What ended up happening to your grandma?
@@AnnaMaria-ff5fw she ended up coming to live with us for another 5 years before she passed from Alzheimer’s. Much better than the alternative of being alone in a home.
I don't know where you live, but in the US if you bring a lawsuit against a facility, you don't have to pay anything. Lawyers will take the case on contingency, and will only get paid if they win and will take a part of the settlement.
@@impalamama7302 I did tell my parents this would likely be the case, I wasn’t too informed at the time about it, but they didn’t care to hear it. I think the stress and regret they felt was just too big and they thought it was all their fault.
@@Inkspired.Sweets I’m sorry to hear that, your family went through something really tough but I’m glad your grandma got to live with her loved ones in her final years I’m sure that meant everything to her❤️
My father ended up in a nursing home. Originally, it was to rest up after surgery. Then, he fell down while going to the bathroom and he ended up losing his leg. He never left the nursing home after that. I would visit each night, to help the nurse put him in his bad at night. Otherwise, it could be hours before they had the time to help him.
Showing up is so important... The staff see that the family still cares and they know not to mess around.
Worked at a nursing home. On my unit, we had 6 CNAs, 1 med tech (to assist with passing medications), 1 LPN, and 1 RN. To care for 58 patients. I've talked to lots of nurses who have worked at other nursing homes, and they're like "i would do anything for that kind of staffing." To contrast, on my hospital unit, we have 3 CNAs, and 5 nurses plus a secretary for 28 patients. Lots of people here talking about "lazy nurses" but when you're the one trying your best to care for these people on absolute barebones "keep them alive another day" levels of staffing, you burn out. Quickly.
Exactly. I work in a nursing home as an aide. Evening shift is 2 to 4 CNA and 1 LPN on each unit. Night shift it’s 2 to 3 CNAs to one LPN. There are 40 residents on each unit. People only love talk about things that they don’t know. Like we can do better when accidents happen? With the staffing at my workplace, accidents are always happening! And MANAGEMENT doesn’t care. They haven’t done anything to improve staff. It just keeps getting worse by the day.
There's a reason why "putting you in a home" is a threat. Like a legitimate threat to your parents.
If I am getting put in a nursing home I'm starting a law suit at the first food debate 😂😂😂
Yep.
Which is tragic because in theory they sound nice: they help take care of people but nursing homes have bad rap and/or they actually suck
They’re just ignorant of the laws protecting them. I’ve worked with the state department that oversees nursing home and assisted living licensures for a few years and not one of the residents knows about the regulations in place to keep them safe. They don’t know which state departments to call. Doesn’t seem to matter how many posters or brochures are left, it’s always news.
All the regulations are public information. It’s a lot, written in legal terms, so can feel boring if you’re uninterested or overwhelming if you’re not a reader.
The info is there, however.
Either learn or don’t and suffer the consequences when you’re of age and in need of 24/7 care, but can’t afford it in your own home.
@@viviangod_win I've already lived way longer than I expected to. And I just want an RV or a van. That's it.
As a someone who is going into work as a care aide i can tell you there definitely are some bad eggs in the facilities but a huge part of the problem is staffing shortages and having 1 care aide to like 20 residents
My mom worked in a Nursing Home preparing and serving food and such. One day she came back and revealed for $20, FOUR PIECES OF RAVIOLI WERE SERVED. TWENTY WHOLE DOLLARS FOR FOUR PIECES. She quit not too long after that, among many other reasons. And now she strongly recommends everybody stay clear from there
My mother was being mistreated (mostly neglect), and I threated a lawsuit. Situation improved dramatically overnight. And when they started to slough off down the road, I raised that spectre again and again, and things always improved.
As a paramedic, I'm getting tired of these nursing homes. 4:47 in the morning, 2:00 in the afternoon, 10am, 8am, 6pm, its all the same shitty excuses. "Oh i just got on" "Oh this isnt my patient" "They were fine 10 minutes ago" ma'am their body is cold and rigid with lividity and bed sores
Nursing homes need more regulation. There needs to be jailtime. Having been an EMT for 8 years, they are internment camps for senior citizens. If you put your loved one in a home, keep an eye on how often they're getting sent to the ER for "evaluation". Often times, it's a lazy nurse and not a sick loved one.
Jail time for who? The staff are put in these impossible situations were they just isn’t enough time in the day to care for all the patients that they are assigned.
@@MikeRafiLawyer I would assume they meant management or owners. But donovian did say lazy nurse at the end. I do think a lot of these places are run terribly and try to make as much money as possible with as few staff as possible. When a place is run really badly the employees that stick around don't tend to be the best. Even people that started with good intentions, your standards need to slip and become comfortable with the bad environment otherwise you wouldn't be able to stay. I still blame owners / management though.
Nursing homes are the second most regulated industry in the USA after nuclear power plants. What they need is better staffing, but that’s not going to happen in our current system
@@MikeRafiLawyer So, I spoke brashly, but I stand by it. I've seen the difference between nurses put in impossible situations and nurses who are irresponsible and dismissive. On one hand, we've waited for entry because a single nurse is in charge of two separate floors in a wing; that's not necessarily her fault. On the other hand, we've waited so long that we're on the phone with the sheriff's office to get entry just as a nurse reeking of fresh smoke appears to let us in. I've had a nurse want to sheetdrag a patient with a femur fracture and then just leave the room when we push back against that. So, while they are put in these bad positions, a lot of them also make bad choices in those moments.
I am aware that a lot of times it's the management in these places who put nurses in a pinch, and in an ideal world there'd be justice for that. In my position I interact more with the nursing staff than I do with management. A lot of the "good ones" tend to either get hired-up to better facilities or self-select and get a new career. Especially in my area (mostly rural with small urban) regulation of SNFs is poorly done, but even when I was working in metropolitan areas I saw it.
The entire crisis is a systemic one, not centered on staffing. I get that. But there aren't nearly as many consequences for being reported to DHHS and the like as people like to pretend there are.
You and I are interacting with the crisis from different perspectives, so we won't necessarily see the same things.
@donovian2538 there's already mechanisms in place, firing poor employees, lawsuits, malpractice etc. We also have things called laws already in place. What other professions should we jail for being bad at their job? EMT's have patients for minutes and have more staff members show up than are in an entire building. It's very easy to say you'd be better at something you've never done before. Wild guess you're a Trump supporter too right
My great grandmother was injured by the nursing home she was in 2014, i think they dropped her and she broke her hip and died not long after, i don't think that nursing home is still open
The one I worked in was bad. Had the bad CNAs, nurses, bed sores, drug resistant bugs, all of it. The thing that stood out to me was that it’s equal parts incompetent staff (you’re either new or the bottom of the barrel if you work in a nursing home) AND the ridiculous staffing ratios. 19:1 ratios for nurses. 19:2 for CNAs. Absolutely fucking crazy.
This makes sense i mean if you want to work at a nursing home then you probably want to help the elderly but low staffing, long hours, neglect to the employees, low pay, the way people stop caring when apathy attacks and so much more is probably really hard to deal with for new people
19:1 for nurses?!? Where?!? That is literally a dream come true.
The ones I’ve seen are 30-46 to one licensed nurse.
@@cszero2109 neither are good (although, if you have more cna/caregivers you can have fewer nurses)
when i worked in an Adult Care Facility, and we had 1 care giver to every 10-20 residents during the day, and 1 care giver to every 20-40 residents at night.
we were supposed to have a minimum of 4 caregivers at night, but due to staffing issues, burnout, and poor pay, we had 2-3 most nights. during the day we were supposed to have 7-8, but due to the same issues we had 6 most days.
i left because of the hours (working 3-4 16 hour days out of a 5 day week) and the stress of having to get meds to 20+ residents.
towards the end of my time there i had repetedly broken down and cried because of the stress i was under, and had to go to the hospital once because of the effect it was having on my health.
@1993rnicholson I've worked in places where I was the only nurse in a building of 150 residents for 8 hours with just 2 cnas.... why? Because every other nurse had already been working doubles and back to back shifts. Oh and we didn't have a secretary or a person at the front desk either, so we were also answering phones, opening the front door, and everything else...
It's not always crappy staff, sometimes you just don't have the ability to do any better.
@@Galedriall exactly its apathy being born from some of the worst working conditions and inability to do everything you can for everyone because we are human not Superman
seen what they do to people in a nursing home, they thought we dumped my grand mother off to just die alone, they were wrong we busted them stealing from her and all sorts of crap. not to mention one of her roomates was left to just rot and strave to death as they would bring her food but not feed her
Don’t blame others for your decisions.
YOU decided to abandon your “loved ones” to strangers.
@@josephcoon5809you really don't know shit if your antagonizing someone who visits there loved ones in a nursing home
@@josephcoon5809some people require care that family cannot provide. just dropping someone off at a nursing home and not paying any attention to their treatment is one thing, but people arent evil for seeking assistance with that care, especially when theyre paying attention and focusing on improving that care
@josephcoon5809 you really believe in a business model that kills elderly? Do you not think a reasonable person would assume to get care at a nursing home? Like what the fuck are you on retard
@@josephcoon5809you an absolute moron. Keep your braindead opinions to yourself, quite literally not a single person wants to hear you spew your retarded bullshit
There's a lot of people here who have had bad experiences, and I wanted to add a little positivity and thank the places that took such good care of my father. He went from ICU through several tiers of care until finally skilled nursing facility, and they were all very patient and competent with him. (I understand most of these stories come from lower-skilled tiers of care.)
Thank you for this positive post. I appreciate you. This thread is so sad.
One of my dad's friends suffered a stroke and went to a nursing home / physical therapy place, and the neglect was awful. The nurses didn't even want to deal with having to go to patients in their individual rooms, so for the ENTIRE block of time from lunch to dinner, they sat everyone in their wheelchairs and sat them in the sort of communal dining area... They didn't care that everyone who could still express themselves were begging to go back to their room for some rest / privacy. The nurses just don't care esp if they see that you don't get visitors. Deplorable behavior.
You could push for legislation that fires the bad nurses to replace them with people who are fine going room to room you'll find plenty of people willing and able to do that. My concern if I work in this field is if I'm left literally alone with 61 patients. It's like sure I want to help everyone but I got maybe 6-12 minutes to spend per patient during an 8 hour period. And 100% for 7 hours I won't be there for someone's loved one because I'm helping a patient. If a situation like this arises it's kind of a management issue with a lack of staff.
@@genericscout5408this relates to what I witnessed while visiting my parents in their respective facilities. The staff were usually not lazy but time poor.
The feedback I get from non-western people is that we tend to forget about our elders more so once they’ve out of site in NHs and the treatment is substandard given the minutes per day they get like you said and lack of autonomy they would enjoy if at a family home
If you have someone in a nursing home, GO VISIT THEM! Do it frequently. The staff will notice that the resident has folks who care about them. They realize that you will notice if the resident is being mistreated, & they don't want to be called out if they are.
@@AnthonyDukesConsulting And that feedback is 100% correct. If you have the money, let your parents move in with you.
@@genericscout5408the problem with nursing homes is they don't pay crap. So anyone who actually cares is going to be quickly dogged down by management and crap policies, and then you have family members blaming you for every little thing. I worked in one at 2 different points, and it was a constant rotation of staff. Management let patients' loved ones walk all over us. I'm not talking about them properly advocating for the patient but rather about how family members would berate us for listening to the patient's wants over the family member's. I worked in a really nice one that had activities for patients throughout the day, had a small hair salon where a lady would come in twice a week, and a shuttle service to help take patients to any appointments or shopping. So in general, patients seemed happier and healthier. I'm not saying the low pay warrants ever treating another human being like trash, I am saying legislation won't help knock out the bad nurses because anyone worth having won't last long due to the hassle and low pay and usually the problem folks don't have anywhere to go, so they stick around.
If your loved one is in a nursing home, have cameras put around their room. I say this as someone who used to work in a high end nursing home. They were probably better cared for than in most nursing homes. Still, i'd say put the cameras up. Safer that way.
I don’t know of a single nursing home, at least in California, that would allow you to put cameras up
That is illegal in many places, so even if you got footage it wouldn’t be allowed in court
Check state laws of course nut great idea
Oh! This is fully legal in minnesota. You can put a "nanny" cam in assisted living or what not room- just required to state you have a camera. But they legally can't say no.
@@Ghostreader198 Legally this should be considered the resident putting up cameras in their own space, so why wouldn’t it be allowed?
I was a juror for 3 months on an Elder Abuse trial, 3 separate defendants. Listening to the witness testimonies of the abuse, living conditions, and seeing the pictures of the physical damages was SO damn hard to absorb and maintain impartiality.
I don't work in a nursing home, but I've worked for ambulance companies and I've worked in a hospital. What I can tell you is that special care that your loved one is getting is at the detriment of others who are getting less. It is basically creating more victims. And I can tell you that although staff might get blamed 99% of the time the majority of the time it is understaffing, overcrowding, and greedy private equity firms that have
I'm eternally grateful that all of my grandparents were able to spend their final years in their own homes, surrounded by family, and being cared for by trusted, paid community members. They could die in peace and with dignity. There was a lot of factors that went into it but my family was insanely priveleged for this to have been the casen; we had money, time, a large family, and they had pensions and savings. This type of death care shouldn't be predicated on having extensive resources - ALL of our elders deserve dignity at the end of their life. Period.
I’m so very thankful for the facility that I live in the staff are kind considerate very proficient at their jobs, and they treat us very well. They are human beings, and things can happen, but they always handle it very professionally, and a very transparent, and as a very less I can actually really only think of one thing serious that happened and it wasn’t their fault at all.
Couple of things on this as a former CNA:
First, if you can avoid it, absolutely do not put your loved ones in a nursing home. If they can get a home healthcare worker, it's WAAAAAAAY better for them emotionally. Nursing homes have more drama than high schools. I've worked in both, and there's no comparison.
Second, the main reason people have injuries or whatever in a nursing home is a combination of two factors. First, facilities are HORRENDOUSLY understaffed. Most of the staff are there because they care and want to help people who need it, but unfortunately there's just not enough staff ever to give everyone the full care they need. Secondly, facilities are overcrowded, which amplifies the problems of understaffing. It's SUPER frustrating. A lot of the times people get injured in a facility, it's because the staff is taking shortcuts to meet this person's needs so they can get to another person. There is a LOT of pressure on staff in facilities to go go go.
I was one of the quickest and best CNAs at the facility who rarely took shortcuts. Staff and residents loved me. I routinely broke 25k steps a day, about half of which was the first few hours of my shift when I had to get everyone up and at breakfast by 8, and my shift started at 6. I couldn't keep that pace up and burnt myself out HARD, and had to leave. Leaving was painful, because I cared so deeply about my residents, but if I kept trying to do 12 hour shifts working myself to the bone, I wouldn't have survived. I literally got told to sit down by the nurses because I was always moving lol.
I am a CNA in a nursing home, I can 100% assure you we aren’t out to hurt or mistreat your loved ones, they pay us fucking PENNIES for the monstrous amount of shit we do, we’re genuinely just there because someone’s gotta do it and we like helping people.
Why do society relying on absolute strangers to fulfill their own duties?
What happened to all the villages that not only took care of their elderly, but respected them as a font of wisdom?
@@josephcoon5809 Villages?
@@taterkaze9428 Yes. 50 families working together for common causes.
Tell me what makes more sense:
1. 50 families buying a lawn more each.
2. 50 families collectively owning 1 lawnmower.
@josephcoon5809 very easy to virtue signal online, much more difficult in practice in modern society. Did you run to your grandparents house to aid them in their ailing years?
@@raidtheferryThere’s nothing more boring than someone virtue signaling about virtue signaling.
I worked night shift at a nursing home as a cna, it was just me, one other cna and an RN for our floor of 30 residents. Management told us we didn't need more staff because the residents were supposed to be sleeping, but sundowning is a huge problem and several residents would become confused and agitated right as day shift left. Falls happened all the time and many residents wouldn't get bathed that day if day shift couldn't get to it before we got there. PLEASE sue, it's the only thing that makes management listen and staff appropriately
This is why it is SO IMPORTANT to have a good relationship with your family members, if possible. You want your family to come visit you and advocate for you when something isn't going well.
My mom spent a significant time in a nursing home. We discovered that residents who regularly had visits from friends/family who paid attention to their treatment were treated much better than those who did not have regular visitors.
If you have a loved one in a nursing home, the best way to prevent neglect without needing grounds for litigation is to visit them. Sadly the people who get visitors get the best care and the staff exploits the fact that no one visits the rest.
My great aunt wound up in a private room with a stream of visitors coming in when she first was admitted. As time went on, it slowed down. My aunt (her niece) put her in a home close to her, but pretty inconvenient to everyone else. The my great aunt wound up with a roommate when I visited next. Then they were overcrowded, so another roommate the next time. Then bruises started appearing. We could not get her out of there. She died from a fall, but my aunt did not want to sue. That burns me so bad because they'll just keep right on treating people that way if you didn't hit them where it hurts... In the wallet.
I actively work in a carehome for dimensia patients and safety is the utmost priority. Right along side preserving dignity and independence where possible. But ive also worked in homes where the clients are neglected and i had to leave because my concerns about the treatment of the clients was appauling. And i was threatened with legal action if i tried to speak out about the abuse. Fortunately when i spoke to the licenser about these issues they kept me anonymous and after a signal inspection the home was shut down and the provider was fined without the need to even go to court. They were found to
A good alt is an adult family home. Provided you research them and check gov records, you can find really good ones. Usually, better care, hygiene, and outcomes.
The only experience i have with nursing homes is walking through them to take care of tiny courtyards in the middle of them as a landscaper. The amount of patients asking for us to help them get out is crazy. The workers who let us in were super strict on how we had to enter and leave so nobody would try to break out. They really are just prisons for old people
My grandmother was in one and was super mistreated (besides this one nurse Desireé, idk how her name was spelled) and the other was like visiting extended family who cared.
That all seems to be getting even worse now that private equity firms have begun to dominate the nursing home space. We really need universal, single-payer healthcare, (which includes eye/dental, mental healthcare, & end-of-life/long-term care. ASAP.)
Yep.
It's never going to happen in the US because america isn't a country but an economic zone. You can do those sorts of things where people actually care for one another or have some ties but it's deeply unpopular to have total strangers be forced to care for and pay for one another.
@@josedubois2295 the thing is people seem to legitimately want to care for each other, though.
Single payer would make everything worse. Nursing homes are dominated by government insurance and they are the root of the problem. We need less government and more private oversight, and less big government money paying lawyers to help them get away with this elder abuse.
@@HiJoel102 private oversight has literally never worked. Companies watching themselves has literally never worked.
I use to work in a nursing home and at one point my grandmother became a resident. People would make comments that I could keep an eye on staff and make sure she is getting good care. My response was "I would like to think my presence wouldn't effect the care she receives. Her caregivers should treat all their patients with the same level of respect."
If I was a nurse and the family of the patient was suing the nursing home, that patient just became my best friend
Completely agree! My first Professor said once you file the cause of action...you get treated much better.
Yes we treat our elderly family like a problem instead of a grandma, or grandpa. We take them from there homes that they love and put them somewhere where they loss there voice. I worker with elderly for 20 years and people are getting younger and younger in homes.. Its not just 70 and up. Its 45-65 year oldest too...
This was a massive problem with single women about 40 years after the world wars
My mother worked in that kind of place for a while. She also had shifts on the floor with the elderly who had learning/mental disabilities. She saw nurses being extremely rough, rude, careless with patients. Had to do most of the work that other nurses didn't do. Had nice conversations with the patients so they had some interactions, even if they didn't talk themselves. The things she would tell me about how they were treated by others angered me, and it angered her too.
What ended the job was an injury, slipped on the floor and was paid barely anything cause she couldn't do some tasks, her bonuses were removed. That's a whole other infuriating story, but she was glad to be gone in the end. Work environment was awful and seeing patients being mistreated while being unable to do anything about it takes a toll on the mental health... My grandma is currently at the hospital and my mother is her biggest advocate when it comes to how she's being treated. If someone is rough with her, it will be reported immediately. She knows the drill. I love her to death, she's the best.
Before my grandma passed, her nursing home refused to do much. She would go for walk in the backyard and fell a number of times to the point she almost broke her nose because staff wouldn’t pay attention to those living there. The whole industry needs to be fixed.
I fucking hate the staff of these places they don't care. My grandmother come to find out was dehydrated so badly that it lead to her having a heart attack. She was not breathing for 5min. She was brain dead before she made it to the hospital.
My coworker had called the place her mother was staying in multiple times saying hey she calls us everyday, she's not responding can you check on her right now. They didn't and she was found dead having fallen unable to move for 16hours.
It doesn't take much, if they had kept my grandmother hydrated or just checked on that lady
I’ve seen this happen. I was a witness to a patient with sundowners who would come out of their room and hurt themselves. A lot. 3 accidents happened in a one week span and I asked my boss why she wasn’t put in memory care and asked where the family was? She told me to mind my business. After the old woman broke her arm falling down this grand staircase, I realized the family had NO idea anything was going on and I talked to my boss who AGAIN then told me that if I told the family they would find a way to fire me by telling the board that I was stealing. I told the family and quit. Received no unemployment. But that woman finally was put into memory care. Our facility was so short staffed, especially at night. There were only 2 of us. It was impossible to keep an eye on her. The family was really grateful. I also left a note to the proper authorities about some other things I noticed while working there.
Putting family in a nursing should be a crime of itself
Yeah if they start treating the person worse then it starts looking like criminal charges in addition to civil ones
I just went through this with my mother, he speaks the truth
I honestly don't know if I could do a better job if I'm the only healthcare provider for the patients. That gives me like 8-12 minutes to see each patient during an 8 hour shift.
Exactly. The staff members are put in an impossible position.
My mother used to do at-home care for elderly people and/or dementia patients. She had some wild stories, from theft (which is quite common sadly) to nurses causing first degree burns out of sheer maliciousness. She eventually quit because the company she used to work for basically cut all travel time from the schedule, making it so the nurses had 5 minutes in between all places, even if it realistically took 10-15 (or sometimes more), which means they had a cut time from all the customers. Time which they paid for, obviously, and was contracted. That particular company went down but it won't be the only one.
She later went freelance through an employment agency, which led to some other dumb stuff, like one company asking her to work for them full-time (actually offering a great deal), but then failing her because she didn't have certain licenses they want. But they still kept hiring her through the agency for the exact same things she'd do if they actually took her in. And she had the expertise of what they wanted through the other licenses she had.
I worked as a director of maintenance in some nursing homes. And sometimes when people would file a lawsuit, the families put cameras in the room secretly and they were caught doing stuff like, shelving pencils other than under their fingernails. Pushing down on their bladder until they peed themselves. And then leaving them to lay in it until in the morning weather supposed to get checked every 15 minutes. On the hard floor. These are things healthcare people have been caught doing. Because sometimes it's really hard to catch them retaliating.
As someone who has been throught this. Have someone go in and start taking notes on all activity while visiting different residents. Things turn around fast.
This is why I sued the nursing home my mother was in on the first day she got there and kept the lawsuit in place until she died. She got perfect treatment.
99% of the workers at any nursing home are there to take the best care of the residents there. Unfortunately, there is just so much to do, and we are all so understaffed and underpaid that stuff slips through. Nursing homes aren't evil places for your loved ones to go die. Unfortunately, no one is perfect and shit gets missed.
If you are looking for a nursing home for a loved one I'd recommend asking the CNAs and nursing staff directly how their experience is, what they think of the facility, if they are overworked, etc. I 100% agree that if a lawsuit was filed for your loved one, there would be almost no threat of retaliation. Instead, everyone working there would be walking on eggshells around your family member. It may make staff more cautious but also more scared to help in case they do something wrong.
Cna and nurses aren't the problem is the management. Trust me, as a safety officie and a wife that's a nurse that works in the nursing home. I had to threat the HR department to let my wife go to the doctor over an injury that happened. They stated that they didn't have a injury report or workers claim number to send her to the clinic. And CNA are scared and don't speak up on the lack of safety policies in place. Fk the management and HR department in all the facilities. Also the DON suck too. They get scare when your wrong OSHA or state Into it.
Agree
Similar situation with a friend at a very major healthcare facility in the SF Bay Area. This friend's health problem spanned at least 3 departments which didn't cooperate with each other. After years of ineffective treatment, friend's close friend, an MD and head of a department, along with several colleagues at another major healthcare facility on the East Coast, looked into it, analyzed it and then wrote to the CMO at the Bay Area hospital. Made it clear that lack of cooperation among various departments had put this patient's health in very serious and immediate danger of death due to sepsis. He said that if that happened, the next phone call would be from an attorney.
Guess what? Action at last. Emergency surgery ensued.
It's so sad that having to threaten a lawsuit is how to get effective action.
My grandpa had gone septic for about a day and has nearly passed away before the nurse decided to call despite the terrible condition he was already in with health problems that they were informed about and were required to constantly monitor him.
It's always rough. I would always, pretty much daily, visit my mom when she was hospitalized or recovering in a nursing home to make sure she wasn't abused and to make them take care of her better.
I went through this myself with my grandmother years ago. The nursing facility didn't change her, didn't give her medicine, didn't charge her equipment. In less than 24 hours, she was back in the hospital. They refused to call an ambulance. We told them if they didn't call, that we were going to call, and that we were going to press charges for elder abuse. They called. After the investigation, the facility has their license pulled by the state. They eventually got it back, but it took them 4 years to do so.
Had a supervisor that her mum was in an aged care facility. She wondered why her mum was so zonked out. They said something like "we give them more medicine so they'll stop annoying us with help requests".
My engineering capstone project tor undergraduate is constructing a safer patient lift than the hoyer ones. Did not expect them to come up in your videos
In my time in healthcare, fortunately I never saw any medical staff retaliate against a patient or the family.
I’ll keep this in mind. Thank you.
Valuable information to know. I hope many families can benefit from it.
My Grandma lost the ability to speak after 3 months because she was completely ignored except to change her from her sick once a day. She was taken out, brought back home and now has family taken care of her. She regained the ability to talk and is still alive 4 years later, which I highly doubt would have been the case if she'd stayed.
I have lost all faith in nursing homes. You are a paycheck in a bed, and as soon as you die, another paycheck will take your place.
My loved one died during the covid lockdown from neglect. He was in his late 60s, and he had gone in for rehabilitation, but they wouldn't let him leave due to the covid lockdown. They waited so long to call 911 that there was nothing that could be done once at the hospital. When I arrived at the hospital, his hair and beard had grown out, and he was so dirty. His nails were an inch long and dirty. He looked like a skeleton, and he was grey. He looked dead even though he wasn't technically dead yet. He died 2 hours after going to the hospital. I know the nursing home neglected him he was also a bit slow, so he wouldn't have complained about how he was treated. During covid, you weren't allowed to visit family in nursing homes. They got away with a lot of neglect and abuse during that time.
As a nurse, sue the nursing home. Those with active lawsuits get treated much better, because admin is always checking on those patients to make sure their pressure injuries (or what ever injury) is not becoming worse. Nursing homes are terrible, don’t put a loved one there unless you’ve no choice. There is usually one nurse, 2-3 techs, and like 60 patients. And it’s only going to get worse as the population ages.
I’m going through this very thing with my Daddy right now. They sent him to a hospital an hour away, told us he had a stroke, low bp and Oxygen level. Mind you my mother has cancer. So far we are told that he didn’t have a stroke, but an infection. This is the third time in three weeks that he’s been sent to the hospital 🤦🏼♀️🙏🏻😭
I have delivered medication to many of these facilities and it’s fascinating how some of them operate and how bad they can be. You can tell right away by the smell imo.
If you are one of those people who hate their parents, a nursing home is probably too extreme. Have some mercy and just leave them.
Look after your parents if you can. I can't imagine leaving them alone with random people 😧❤
not everyone had good parents, so their children have no reason to be good to them.
@@ARockRaiderThen why are they complaining about how their parents are treated, genius?
Try thinking before you speak.
There also people who straight up just can't do the job to take care of 1-2 full adult people while working a full time job with absolutely no help in either. Like, it isn't anything like having kids. To say it's the same is insane. In situations like that you have no choice sometimes as in this stage of time it becomes nearly untenable.
@@josephcoon5809 this OP "can't imagine" why an adult child wouldn't want to spend time and a great deal of effort on their elderly parents.
i was pointing out that not everyone is lucky enough to have parents worth spending time and effort on.
mean, dismissive and or abusive parrents who wanted to be rid of their children at the earliest opportunity may not even deserve more then the most minimal care.
so as for "think before you speak" i will retort "comprehend before you respond"
@@ARockRaider Think about why parents get that way, kiddo.
Every generation, kids are learning to be “parents” on their own instead of passing down wisdom from generation to generation. So these kids raising their kids different than their parents raised them end up creating a cycle of strong men and weak men creating good times and bad times.
You’re looking at one generation.
I’m looking at multiple generations.
Stop being such a narcissist.
My dad died 4 years ago. The nursing home claimed he had a sezure. They waited hours to call the Dr. The Dr. told them to call 911. They waited 45 more minutes before calling an ambulance. He was already dieing when they arrived (DNR) and he passed minutes after leaving. He did not have a sezure disorder and nobody would tell us exactly what happened. There were many terrible issues with his care and how they handled things afterward, but this was during Covid and although he did not have covid, we were told by 2 different atourneys that we did not have a case because of an executive order from the governor protecting hospitals, nursing homes, and medical providers. We will never get answers and nobody will ever be held accountable because the statute of limitations is past before I considered looking into filing criminal charges.
I worked in a skilled nursing facility. It truly is a case of the squeaky wheel gets the grease. The more vocal the residents and their families are the better they are treated.
Was a CNA for 6 yrs. The amount of horrendous shit i have seen in nursing homes. I refuse to ever put a loved one in a home.
My papa had a dislocated shoulder. Because he refused to say who did this to him, nothing was done after we reported them, other than he was moved to another nursing home where he lived his final days.
I used to work with a lady whose sister was in the nursing home. She got sent to the hospital twice within a year and almost died. The doctors believed they had given her someone else’s medication but had no way to prove it.
My grandmother was killed via neglect due to a nursing home. Literally from Stage 1 bedsores to Unstageable bedsores. We couldn't even file a lawsuit against them due to an arbitration agreement my aunt signed without reading fully.
That's not enforceable
As someone who has worked in *multiple* nursing homes and retirement facilities, but through the kitchen side of things, it's honestly an oddly complex situation. The work that some of the folks do on the daily, especially CNAs but really anyone who is directly caring for people, can easily break a spirit. That's usually where the abuse comes from, people who have let their frustrations turn outward.
There are also some of the most compassionate people around.
It's...a fascinating environment.
Thank you. This info is too late for me & my loved one, but there are so many that need to hear this. Wish I had before my person passed.
This is ultimately what killed my grandmother. She had a UTI that became septic by the bacteria entering through her bed sore. Thankfully my mom, aunts and uncles were able to transfer her from the hospital to a different nursing home where they actually cared (the previous nursing home only allowed visitation in a specific part of the home, with a metal fence between the visitor and the elder they are there to visit + 6 feet apart as a covid measure and my grandma had dementia so we didnt know what was happening), and she was able to live the last week of her life in a place that actually cared, but it took my mom and her siblings weeks of intensive searching and visiting to find one that was either covered or within budget AND that was good. I remember one of the ones that my mom visited in the search process just didnt allow visitation at all. I still wonder why no lawsuit has been filed since it happened less than 2 years ago. I miss my grandma and im glad that i was one of the last family members to speak with her before she passed (she passed less than 24 hours after i saw her, and i was fortunate enough to say my goodbye, and were were the last ones to see her on the last visitation day before she passed) and im glad to know that she was very well taken care of those last days. I still miss her though. We didnt know that anything was wrong until it was too late. My aunt had suspicion, though no proof, of something wrong just a few days before my grandma was hospitalized.
I’m experiencing this right now
If you win that lawsuit you should have enough money after that to hire a caretaker if you cant do it on your own
Well no because all the money you win would have to go straight back into paying off any loans associated with the legal proceedings. Lawyers are fucking expensive and these cases can take multiple years to settle. You never win in a lawsuit. You do it because it’s the right thing to do and holds bad companies accountable, but you do it knowing that you will lose even if you win.
@@MyNameIsSalothat's assuming your in America😂
I had my grandmother in nursing home from time. I was 13 years old to 29 when she died and I swear I went there every Sunday I made sure that my university didn’t have me coming on Sunday. I put off my last school until she after she died. I’m only going now to do a lot of school starting next year, I did two BAs. I was there every Sunday I had to go to another town. I didn’t have a drivers license because my insurance was too expensive living in the state. I was living because we’re 3000 miles apart so I moved to the East Coast. It was mental, but I did it with no help. My mother didn’t help me. Nobody help me I my husband at the time because obviously I got married the time before she died and I was 29. my husband without me giving me money he had a business. His parents passed on to him. That was close to coast thank God. And somehow we made it through. But I went you have to go every week minimum went a week and it took me all day to go there back stay the entire day. I would check her over with phone and I would go in and lose my shit on the Director if I saw any scratches, bruises cut so, especially since she was diabetic. And especially because she had Alzheimer’s I think it’s cruel what they do it’s the only option. Don’t wait till it’s too late and I think you’re doing admirable work by going out of your way and helping people or families Alzheimer’s patients cause there’s no lonely time there’s no time where you gonna find out. Who’s on your side who doesn’t care when you have somebody in the nursing home especially for a long time like I did.
Hey ppl ! Take care, respect, love them and support your own elders !!!
This happened to my grandmother. Unfortunately we didnt know that we could've done something about it at the time, and its been a year since she's passed anyway..
My grandmother was mistreated in a home that was later investigated. My mom, who is currently in a nursing home, is regularly fed food she cannot eat without getting sick.
One of my parents used to work in a nursing home in the kitchen. I was young enough that I needed to be watched, but my mom often would sit me down in the dining room and Id entertain myself while she was working. I got to know a lot of the residents. I didn't see everything, but even then that place scared me. I always saw nurses being friendly, but its not normal for people to be going around always smelling of pee. Id frequently see the dementia residents wandering around unsupervised and a lot of them where at high risk of falls. And I also remember visiting some of them in their rooms (with my mom) and seeing filled bedbans sitting around. It was just a small glimps but I really hope my parents or I end up in one. There is unfortunately a limit on what kind of money and resources one has and nursing homes can cost a lot less than inhome care. If someones care needs end up being pretty high, I can see why financially someone has no other choice.
Yes, my mom was dropped the 1st day in the nursing home, this caused her to dislocate her hip that she just had major surgery to remove a tumor the size of a grapefruit b/c her doctor waited 3 years to take an xray for her hip pain. Just gave her pain meds for 3 years... It was after her radiation treatments that the "top" orthopedic ocologist at a univerisity hospital discovered her hip was dislocated prior to radiation treatment. And there is more, but I'll spare you. It too traumatic to remember all that happened. SMH.
Husband with alzheimers got a little rough with me, I asked my son how things like this were he had once worked in a nursing home, he said they were not permitted to stay.
Watched a market place episode and they said if the things they did in a nursing home was the same thing that a childcare facility did they would be closed and or jailed
I live in an Adult Family Home. My loved ones have reported them multiple times for multiple reasons over the 7 years I've lived here.
Instead of things getting better, I've been treated worse and worse.
It's hard for me to find anywhere that'll take me because of my age and mobility level, and the wait list for independent living is months to years long. So I'm stuck.
As previous staff, as an aide, I took the best care of my patients as possible. Each nursing home/state has certain policies. For example, a pressure pad (alarm went off when they stood) was considered a “restraint”. As a result, if a patient fell, we wouldn’t know until we checked their room or had a call light. In 2020, with rent at $1200, I was paid $9 an hour. I did not get PTO. In addition to that, I, one person, had at least 16 patients a day - 20 during Covid. I can’t speak for nurses. During state inspections, they had extra aides on the floor.. then, when they left, they cut the number down by half.
So CNAs are treated poorly by nurses and the company, as well as the patients - verbally and physically abusive, throwing a bedpan at my head, trash cans at nurses…
Instead of JUST blaming the staff, who are often abused too, blame the companies involved and the safety precautions that are taken. Bathing, feeding, passing trays, changing, answering call lights, helping nurses, and transferring was VERY difficult when you had 16 people to care for, often times not receiving a break. Nurses did NOT help. You’d stop your rounds, then immediately start again.
These greedy companies are f*cking over their residents/patients by pocketing the insurance money and putting little money into the company, which included wages and the resources that we had for the residents (towels, diapers, pads, medicines).
I would NOT recommend that job to ANYONE. I quit and never looked back.
I was a nursing assistant for 15 years and I can tell you, the residents that have families that advocate for them by filing a lawsuit, calling state or just being there consistently and asking lots of questions get treated far better. I have seen nurses and aides and even managers fired because they have mistreated residents who have that familial advocacy. It also seems like you get better care if you are a skilled patient (Medicare A) or if you are paying privately as opposed to the residents who are there under Medicaid. The way we treat our elderly in this country is absolutely appalling. It seems like most nursing homes only care about their bottom line at the end of the day.
I was a recovery staff for inhome care giving for a couple years. I covered alot of shifts/houses. I reported alot of other caregivers then quit. I was absolutely shocked how much of a mess everything was including medications. This was a government funded company (some court appointed patients) no surprise.
"Can I trouble you for a glass of milk?"
"You can trouble me for a glass of shut the hell up. You will go to sleep or I will *put you* to sleep."
Im not american (swedish) and worked in a nursing home for an extended period of time.
We had fancy roof lifts to safely move residenfss from their bed to their wheel chair, and all other equipment you could think of to make it safe. We were just so short staffed we didn't always have time to use it. Sometimes it's just quicker to scoop up an old lady than it is to get a harness in place and use the lift. It's dangerous.
That’s not what happens with the NHS unfortunately. You get kicked to the curb if you sue. Only sue once safely out of NHS control.
I've worked in nursing homes, not for nursing homes, but in them. Even the nicest ones have serious problems. If I ever get to a point that I'm still alive and need to go to a nursing home I'm going to go out and do every crazy thing I ever wanted to do and hope I don't make it.
A facility ODed my grandpa on morphine that ultimately lead to his death. We talked to probably 20 attorneys. No one wanted to take take the case. They all said once the person dies it’s extremely hard to sue.
One was very candid and said no one likes taking cases involving elderly people because the payout is always low. He said personal injury attorneys only want young clients whose lives were more substantially impacted because it has more money tied to it. Still angry they got away with it. I’ve always hated personal injury attorneys ever since.
We put my grandfather is a nursing home he had pretty bad lactose intolerance and almost every time we visited he had some form of dairy in his food we talked to the “dietician” multiple times and in our last conversation my mother said “if he had an allergy he would be dead” we moved nursing homes shortly after and moved to a place that actually gave a shit
There's also just general neglect. My grandmother ended up in hospital, completely disoriented. She had missed 2 or 3 meals and no one checked on her. She had gotten dehydrated and was a couple weeks getting straight. I believe the episode shortened her life.