The Science of Shotgun Shells (ft. Fiocchi)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.ค. 2024
- This is a breakdown of what makes competition-grade shotgun shells worthwhile. In this video, we discuss how shot type and wads affect how a shell patterns. Do you think upgrading to competition shells is worth it? Watch, and find out!
Chapters:
0:00 Cold Open
2:06 Intro
3:37 Goals
4:29 Competition Shells
7:30 Patterning Board
11:07 Spreaders
14:05 Moving Targets
19:15 US Open
25:01 Final Thoughts
Equipment:
DJI Air 2s Drone
Sony A7IV
Sony A7III
G-Master lenses
Rode VideoMic Pro Plus
Disclosures:
Fiocchi provided ammunition for use in this video. No financial agreement exists between Fiocchi and The Clay Lab.
Disclaimers:
All logos used in this video were used by express permission of the Fennell Shooting School and Fiocchi. The views expressed in this video do not necessarily represent the views of Fennell Shooting School or Fiocchi.
Music and Stock Footage:
Used under license from Envato Elements
Additional footage was sampled from TH-cam (credit given in video)
Note:
Aerial videography performed in compliance with 14 CFS Part 107 and all applicable FAA regulations governing sUAS operations. All flying was in Class G, uncontrolled airspace. Maximum altitude was 390 feet AGL. A visual spotter was used in addition to the pilot. All dirt roads in the video are private with controlled access. No sustained flight over moving vehicles occurred. The drone was not flown over people at any time. Flight paths were deliberately chosen to avoid people and vehicles.
Remote Pilot in Command: Scott Hardison
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@TheClayLab never fails to deliver. Hands down great video. Tons of new, detailed, value added information.
Thanks, Tim!
Packing boxes of reloads now so I can head to the range here shortly. So glad I saw a new clay lab video out... Watching now!
Thanks! Which hulls do you like to reload?
@@claylabusa I like the Remington STS/NITRO, Remington gun clubs, Winchester AA, and the new Federal HOA. The HOA is just a Remington STS hull to my understanding though since Vista Outdoors bought them though.
I reload as well. Really enjoy being able build my own shell to the specs I prefer, speed, load etc. I only reload Nitro STS and Gun Club hulls. I only wish the larger shoot would start allowing reloads in all events instead of just sub gauge.
One of the very best shooting (shotgun) videos out there that I have watched.
Thanks! We enjoyed making it, and are even happier that you liked it
Another great video! Keep up the good work.
Thanks!
I never go away empty handed as long as there's stuff to buy. 😂
I wasn't excited about my score in the FITASC competition. But I did hit that long bird by the water. Jonny Carter did as well. That was my award, well reward. A great day out with friends. Thanks for the content. Hope to see you guys at another event in the future.
Thanks, Dan! It was great to meet you. Congrats on hitting that long bird!
@@claylabusa I would have gladly traded the long bird for 10 less misses elsewhere. 😉
Work of art right here
Thanks for vid. It is really good one!❤❤❤
Thanks! Appreciate you watching!
Really good video learnt a lot I shoot gamebore black gold and white gold confidence is everything.
Thanks! Glad it was helpful!
“Discount Attenborough” 😂😂
Haha, you can tell I’m starting to have fun with these cold opens 😅
So good
Not sure how you're gonna top that intro 😂😂.
Greetings from Scotland 🏴
Thanks! The voice actor was $20 well spent 😂
the best choice which I prefer is tt two blue cases fiotchi series, then if price is nice black ones or f3 ones, if there is nothing to get at local store then rio, eley, maybe winchester... there is almost no difference between tt two shell and fiotchi gold one ;) for me. only money...
Those sound like different shells than what is available in the US. Which country are you in? Would be interested to see how the shells compare!
@claylab where can I find the Fiocchi ammo travel boxes?
I believe most people use the negrini travel boxes which you can find on their website or Castellani USA
That intro 😂
Thanks, Johnny. Felt like our channel needed a voiceover in an English accent to keep up with Proofhouse 😂. Plus…insults just sting a bit more coming from David Attenborough (or a good impersonator from Fiverr)
It's an absolute wash at 45 yards. This reflects my experience in the real world, which means the cheaper shells are often the better buy- Larger less dense pattern early, similar if not identical pattern later.
I love a dirt cheap 7/8ths 1300fps load and often hit clays at 80+ yards with them.
You make an excellent point. A lot of the less expensive shells (like the Fiocchi Shooting Dynamics in this video) perform really well. Where the competition shells really start to shine is at longer ranges and in situations where every single target matters a great deal. For me, it comes down to the stakes...if I'm going to a local shoot or smaller event, I would use Shooting Dynamics without a second thought. At the US Open or another big event, I prefer the confidence of using the Little Rhinos.
@@claylabusa I do really like the Little Rhino, i think Fiocchi makes some of the only viable and highly consistent 28 gauge shells (Winchester AA being the other).
I may not be a good enough clay shooter where I've felt any single miss has ever been due to the ammo now, perhaps some day that will come.
Load/brand/shot size/velocity paranoia in this sport is as ubiquitous as choke paranoia.
There was a time not that long ago, fewer than 12 months where I believed a pattern at 45 yards was too sparse to break clays reliably.
Now I deliberately practice 80-100 yard shots every single session, and the clays break reliably no matter the shell.
I try to get shooters to do deliberate practice at those ranges, because the confidence goes a long way at the registered shoots when you know your IC choke and your commodity Fiocchi was just slamming clays at 80 and you probably don't need to worry about anything but your eyes and your hands
Nice video. Are fibre wads used much in the USA? In the UK a lot of local smaller clubs insist on fibre wads.
Thanks! It’s funny, Johnny and I were talking about that same thing a little while back. No, we don’t see many finer wads over here…pretty much all plastic. Leaves a mess behind, but they seem to help keep the patterns nice and clean. Would love to try out fiber sometime, though
If anyone was wondering what his knife was it is a Chris reeve sebenza with the sheep’s foot blade
Sweet, thanks for the info! All I know is that it was about as sharp as the scalpels I use at work
Can you review the monarch from academy sports? Seem like an inexpensive shell for club use?
1 oz or 1 1/8 ounce loads for matches?
I am afraid I don't see the difference at 25 yards between Shooting Dynamics and Little Rino in the center.
Fiocchi’s leave a nasty plastic buildup in my choke tubes. I will shoot them if I can’t get anything else but none of the STS , AA’s , or Clever’s leave plastic in my chokes. Looking forward to seeing more videos. !!!
It’s interesting…I’ve had the opposite experience with Fiocchi’s, at least with shooting dynamics and little Rinos. I find I need fewer patches to clean the gun. That said, I have fixed chokes these days and that makes a huge difference. Also, I often wonder if temperature and humidity make a big difference in how dirty the gun gets. May be worth looking at in the future
Maybe my thinking is wrong here.
As someone still working on learning
different presentations.
I shoot the same choke (ic) and same cartridge at everything to eliminate as many variables as possible.
Nothing wrong with that approach! You’ll find a lot of people who use same choke consistently throughout a shoot. I personally moved to a gun with fixed chokes to take that out is the equation. I also think that, if you can find shells that you like, no need to switch. Agree with consistency being your friend.
What fixed choke size does your gun have? Just curious, thanks.
Great job I love the the fioccohi shells rhino's. Will the lab put on a show with chokes a big topic now a day's I run Pure Gold Chokes but that's my preference. And Bill Davis is a great person to talk to also.
Go check Bill out.
Have heard nice things about Pure Gold’s chokes. We’re definitely interested in doing a video on chokes, to show what the pattern size looks like at various distances
@@claylabusa I use them in long bird shoots they group very well in my gun, you have to call Bill Davis what a wonderful may to talk to about his choke's I trust them !!!
Fitasc Sporting rules, item 7.1 paragraph 2 : "The use of dispersers, or any other unusual loading device is strictly forbidden....."
Yep! They were also 1 1/8 loads, so were not used in FITASC for that reason as well.
Spreader wads that you showed has been around for years. Balistic Produces has been selling them for about 20 years that I know. They are made in Italy.
Thanks! It’s amazing how much crossover there can be in the ammo industry
can't use spreaders in fitasc
Correct, both in terms of the spreading wad and the fact that they’re 1 1/8oz
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Hopefully this isn't taken terribly. This kind of feels like a shill for fiocci more than the science of shells. I would have liked to see more in depth differences of wads, brands, how speed effects pattern, perhaps real effects of hardness etc. I say this because this is my favorite clays channel so far, and I've seen a lot of channels in different industries end up turning to basically sponsored advertising channels. I hope you guys understand where I'm coming from, and another cool video guys. 👍🏻
Can definitely see where you’re coming from. We actually sought out Fiocchi for this video based on their wide assortment of shells (in particular, we wanted to see how spreaders work). It gets really tricky when you start comparing different manufacturers directly, as we are using a really small sample size. Definitely look for an upcoming video on how shot speed affects patterning, and there’s an excellent chance we’ll showcase a different manufacturer in that one (to gradually showcase all of them, piece by piece). Appreciate the input!
@@claylabusa I also wonder things like how consistent different brands speeds are and how close to the posted speeds they are. My suspicion is that there's a little something to the speed and just of the rest is mental. I think with moderns shells they're all going to pattern relatively well even between premium and practice shells. I think the rest is confidence and the mental part of the game. With a premium shell in the pipe, if your confidence is higher it's that little bit of advantage that you're going to break it. Conversely, if you're thinking eh... "This is junk practice ammo, it's probably not going to pattern well, the powder drop might be light and I'm used to faster shells" etc... It's that right doubt that might set in and create enough doubt to drop a bird or two. Just my two cents worth, and adjusting for inflation that's not worth much. Take care guys. I live watching your videos!
You guys are something else 🤣 great intro but not for us Ophidiophobia folks😬😎
Haha, fair point!
Aren’t spreader loads banned in some disciplines?
They are definitely banned in FITASC. Also, as they’re 1 1/8oz loads, couldn’t use them anyway
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Yep! Well done
@@claylabusa retired US Army NCO 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸