Elite upper caste educators with highpaying jobs talking about ending reservation is the most constructive discussion let's talk about political and judicial and executive reservation which the upper castes enjoy unprecedentedly every now and then have some guts to show the status great work unacademy
@@kaustubhk9196 we are in a vast country kaustubh. We do not have the luxury to wait for one evil to start working on the other. One, I totally agree with you that upper castes enjoy a kind of societal reservation. Second, you will have to accept that the reservation system needs reforms so that the weak among the weak get the benefits and not the people like us who can speak english (if you know what I mean here) As a nation we need to work on both the issues simultaneously, by not abolishing reservation but by bringing the necessary reforms in it. Otherwise those who are getting benefitted by reservation disproportionately will become another ruling class and they will start operating the rest.
And it's a complete bulshit to say that those who are from upper caste or have high paying jobs should not comment on reservation... because the people who have a strong voice among the backward castes are silent on the misuse of reservation...they are silent on the rights of the weakest among the weak ... If you belong to these classes then probably you need to introspect
People are not even ready to drop their caste surname. Casteism is prevalent in every aspect of indian society. Socioeconomically and politically unequal people shouldn't be treated equally. Yes, a reform is needed in accordance with newer data. But that shouldn't mean injustice to people who've been historically discriminated against.
I am General category non ews brahmin I am ready to drop my caste surname But are you ready to drop your reservation certificate ? I never eat any non veg drink smoke I found myself pure sanatani..muslims have unity they all are in obc but hindus are divided because of congress..So Hinduism or sanatani won't matter at all ??? If not I am ready to give up my cast please give up your reservation or jati praman partra..
@@adarshdwivedi1950 sorry but as of now "no". Today you may give up your caste and surname but what about other upper castes? can you vouch for them too? can you give valid assurances that the caste system will no longer prevail? can you promote single-handedly that there will be more inter-caste marriages? Just like people inherit land and properties, Upper Caste kids have inherited the "Sins of their Fathers".
@@adarshdwivedi1950 Same here Adarsh,I do agree,I am in General category but as a student,this discrimination hurts a lot ....where you've to pay form filling fees more than sc st category, like why?? Why do everyone thinks that Generals are more rich....we are not really rich...I never discriminated in caste although when I didn't know that reservation do exists...🤦🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️and now ,I am really scared about my future 😀
@@adarshdwivedi1950 bhai, surname rkho Bs ye casteism wala system kya tu apne so called upper castes peoples Ke dimag se hata skta hai bol Uske baad reservation ko gaali de Lena 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣
I'm from general caste but I support reservation ...but at the same time anyone who go on to become MP . MLA..Cm.. governor.. SECRETARY ..OR ANY POST Whose salary is above 2 lakhs should be excluded y reservation
@@DhirendraKumar-nx1vs bro I live in a tier 1 city, my parents earn well enough... But still we have faced discrimination in our neighborhood and I've faced discrimination in my school. The maid who was working at our house, quit her job as soon as she got to know abt our caste..... It's really not abt money... It's just a way to deliver justice
Let's do social mathematics 😂😂 Let consider the case of jobs only at national level only Total jobs in India=100%(let) Total government jobs=2% Total private jobs=98% Total reservation in india= 27%+15%+7.5%+10% = Obc+sc+st+ews=59.5% Total reservation in job=59.5% of 2% of total jobs to more than 85 % of population 😂😂😂 Nahi samje to maf kardena😅
Why we are not talking about end caste system , intercaste marriage at root level (our home).. Today also caste based discrimination prevalent but in different forms
There should be Sub-categorization of reservation for SCs and STs. Take the example of Rajasthan where all the benefits of ST reservation are enjoyed by a particular caste. Many families have generation of group A and B jobs but still their children enjoy reservation but there are also some castes which still do the menial jobs and face discrimination in the society. A dalit girl begging on the street needs more reservation then the child of IAS Dalit who is sitting in government bunglow enjoying eating chips, studying in convent school and then also getting reservation in the job. Also, reservation alone is not enough this is not like a tablet that once it is given the disease is cure, we need to invest in education as said by Manoj sir increase the size of pie and that pie should be of same quality so that every person can get good education and get the dream job they want. Provide scholarships to students who are economically weak whether from any caste. I also have one argument against EWS Reservation criteria. The EWS criteria equate all the types of agricultural lands and plot. An agricultural land of Punjab would have higher value than the agricultural land of Rajasthan. Similarly the value of a plot in Tier 1 city would be more than Tir 2 or Tier 3 city. So, criteria should be decided for every region separetly backed by robust data but here also there are chances of politicization.
Superficially it seems a good idea, but there has to be unity in SC and ST communities for them to survive. If that unity is broken, then Upper Caste will eveentually eat up their seats slowly, as happening in IIM and IIT professor recruitments
I agree with you on EWS quota...our 10 acre land cost less than even 2 acre land in Punjab ,Haryana. And also it depends totally on rainwater hence no stable income. But who cares... we get counted in general category...no scholarships no help even if we are top student and have to compete with financially privileged students for getting admission and for jobs.
Reservation is nothing but representation given to the unrepresented class communities. Nowadays reservation is just like football, all political parties are playing with it whenever it suits them. Everybody think that reservation is only for sc/st Its a wrong perseptions. All category community are enjoying the reservation benifits. Example: EWS, marati reservation etc. Reservation should keeps on continue As long as the country is still under to the social and economic injustice.
Chetan: Parag Aggarwal, Sundar, and Satya Narela have gone for reservations; they actually wanted to crack a government job. Let's talk about the four varnas and the root cause. No varna no reservations
Some people be taking out their frustrations on the teachers. They never for once mentioned they caste reservation should just end like that abruptly .we are having a discourse here putting all the pros n . Excellent job thank you.
Reservation policy is there in Govt Public sectors and Eduactional Institutions, still we find Over-representations of certain castes...that shows *Reservation policy is not implemented as per Constitution's provisions*
I think reservation alone is not enough.....there is a need to sensitise the people about social equality as if the person doesn't change his opinion about the socially disadvantaged people....they don't go to respect them even if one achieve the highest level of office....so the discrimination is in the minds of people and there is a need to remove the discrimination from the minds of the people.... Thank you so much all of you
Chetan: Meritocracy is not compromised by reservations. You can't understand the pain of Dalits. In my class at school, I was discriminated against on a large scale. I was not given rank 1 only because of my caste. I was always tortured by the teachers, friends, and even by landlords. While in college, people always reminded me of my caste. My economic conditions are good; we never received reservations. In my tuition classes, people discussed whose surname is of lower caste and referred to my first name, saying he is of lower caste. Do you understand?
So for these reasons you should get reservation in jobs, educational institutions without merit.. Really ? Many upper caste people are very poor can’t afford private schools and coaching if they get reservation like EWS then also you have problem ? You people are just burden on our country reason for brain drain .
Same happened with me...though today I can think of giving this exam.....back in my school days I was humiliated by one of my teachers - so called me by a derogatory word (related to my sub-caste within SC) - She was not sorry for that...I told my family and they cancelled my admission...Even though that was an elite school in my area - they could not maintain simple standards of social justice in their premises . Imagine teachers themselves doing this to their student - It terrorizes me even today!!
I am an SC person, but in my family, no one got reservation. We are against sub-classification and the creamy layer. Do you know why? Because those who are privileged, let's say for three generations, got reservation and became IAS. What can they do? If anything happens with reservation, then they can talk about it, protest against it, and challenge the superiority of the so-called upper varna. But people are fearing Dalit unity..that's why they want to divide the people on the basis of the creamy layer and sub-classification.
@@kanchansuklabaidya3220 so the non creamy sc layer can't protest on their own are u trying to say that? Idiot understand your own benefit let's say goverment gives 1000 rupees to 1000 people for sc st welfare each gets 1 rupee but if u exclude the creamy layer 100 people get 1000 rupees mean 10 rupees each so the non creamy rural sc st is getting more benefits also reservation is killing the meritocracy of this nation
So you agree that if reserved people are not reserved they have 0 morals and they'll be against sc st reservation but on the other hand you want uc to accept reservation
Sorry to say creamy layer can't be justified, they really shouldn't get reservation atleast in Bengal which has a healthy society with really less caste issues
@@aniketsingh-iw7lq are you dumb bro from thousands of years this supremacy exist have you read a single line written in the books fckin stupid argument bro.... Just try to grab some knowledge before adding something logical....
Before going discussion on Reservation, please mentioned Your categories.. Then we will get some clarity. Don't say diplomatic statements. No matter to mentioned.. Then mentioned your belonging caste categories
People who say that Reservation is fading or its not there … Recently Gukesh's caste was searched record high after he won the Grandmaster title ! This is just the tip of the iceberg !
First abolish the caste system in the hindu religion and then we can end the reservation system. There should be only hindu not any caste hindu ,until that reservation will be there...no one can touch the reservation.. current population of sc and st are 30 crore. No one can touch the reservation....mind it..
Respected teachers of unacademy want a discussions on formal and informal education and reason for Dalits still a Dalit considering that all our five fingers are not same but a closed fist is the size of a our heart 😅
I like it when sarmad sir mentions Jayalalitha, an admiring people centric personality change the way men in TN look at women eventhough she is an actress stand alone win hearts and teach mens about her ability is a great eaxmple of women empowerment.
Caste is the reality of Indian Civilization... That's why we need equal representation proportionately. We need Caste based census...Pta to chlo kisko aur kabtak Reservation ki Actual need h, aur kon desh ke institutions mein doosro ka haq markar Gulati marke baithakr🤨
Reservation is the cornerstone to social justice. As chethan sir said there is a gross misuse of reservation. Recent case of pooja khedhar his father is politician and getting obc .there need cremy layer concept in sc/st and sub categorisation. For this caste census is must. I vehemently oppose the ews reservation.only 7% of people are paying income tax . Even all people are eligible for ews reservation. This people are benefited historically. There need further purge in obc and sc/st. Such wonder full debate.
In name of applying creamy layers to Sc/STs they are gonna decrease the percentage of reservation to these communities.... That now less no. Of people are to eligible for it.... It's just a chutiyapa way of decreasing percentage.... And they from beginning came doing it.... They are continuously decreasing the reservation of sc/sts.....
Top class video sir please also make video on religious tension in country and places of worshop act 1991 in context of sambhal thank you love the video
A Creamy layer shall be made applicable to remove from the net of reservation to perculate the benefit to the needy and avoid repeated benefits to one section among reserved. We have been providing 6:13 reservation since independence still there is no quantum jump among SC communities because the benefit is eaten up a few restricting the benefit to disadvantaged. The competition among uplifted and down trodden among SC/ST by enforcement reasonable exclusion is the need of hour..
To be very frank please, count OBCs into a group taking reservation. As of now of social media especially, OBC despite enjoying 27% quota and other relaxations like age limit, number of attempts etc, claim same conditions as the EWS or general category. All three form a block together, try to completely blame it over the SCs and STs. It's very harmful narrative that only SCs, STs and Dr. Ambedkar have become synonymous to Reservation system while EWS and OBC despite having huge chunk of reservation, doesn't enjoy the reservation and are the sufferers. . The real sufferer is always a general category student.
Dr B.R Ambedkar had dreamt about creating a one caste system. But there is also too many pros and cons. But we also have the fact that the Manipur conflict is the result of reservation and facilities based on caste(I think so) so if we want to make a one caste system than we should also focus on economic development and some schemes or something else like EWS. If I had any mistakes please reply it to your opinion
Reservation remains a necessary mechanism in India to address historical and systemic inequalities faced by marginalized communities. It ensures social justice and provides opportunities for those who have been disadvantaged due to caste, class, or gender-based discrimination, as enshrined in Articles 15 and 16 of the Constitution.... Nd also debates arise about its mandatory nature in a modern context. Critics argue that reservation often benefits the economically well-off within reserved categories and creates divisions. They advocate for economic criteria instead of caste-based reservation to promote fairness and equality. A balanced perspective acknowledges that while reservation is still relevant to uplift the marginalized, reforms are needed to ensure it reaches the genuinely disadvantaged. Regular reviews and efforts to balance merit and social justice can make the system more effective and inclusive.
Ok bro then I should add one more argument to your statement here that's there should be a mechanism to be developed to check whether marginalized are getting there social status uplifted or not.... And if not then what's to point of all this recommendations you've just put down here??? Right! It's no use reservation is not the issue the issue is they dont want to give you respect that you deserve.... They only want to keep themselves above at all cost... Their all old scriptures that is there contains it to guide them at every step of their life...
According to round table summits held in London 1930,31,32 ambedcar wanted representation in legislative assembly like muslim,sikh, enterpreneur,women jamindaari etc. But because of gandhi representation turned into reservation
Problem is we are as a society looking at rervation from top view (ie from upper caste view) it comes with an assumption that economic upliftment leads to ending of caste discrimination. Though it improves ones rank in secular hierarchy but not in social hierarchy therefore even though kumari mayavatiji or say ex-president ramnath kovind ji visited temples. Those temples were purified. Enforcing creamy layer will nullify the entire intension of caste based reservation. Solution is caste census the country must know if there is concentration of social resources and ways to distribute it. Those in favour of caste based census hit the like.
Although I don't believe in Hinduism or on others, still I will say --U can't change Rig Vedas written on 4 Varna system and from other Hindu scriptures,,, therefore it is almost impossible to eliminate caste system from our country ,,, but it doesn't mean that General categories and others will be barred forever because of casteism presence,,,,, Everything is determined and driven by Economic status not by social mean which was prevalent once,,,,,Karl Marx mentioned only 2 classes - "Haves and Have nots"
Karl Marx doesnt really apply directly in Indian context. There are many fundamental differences between the European class society and Indian caste society.
Some group of population will quote MG , baba Ambr...for everything.sometimes as of now othercountry has got liberation or there is no constitution. Baba himself has said that it should be extended.to 10or max 20 years. Why this para is avoided .
The long and short of it is that most people who are benefiting out of reservation will be for it and most people who arent getting its benefit will be against it.
Women's reservation in panchayat may have some flaws but not incase of assembly and parliamentary elections MLA,MP is not a easy role for ignorant. And Women's if learn a little ofcourse teach a lot will not allow anyone to drive from backseat. Instead of BC reservation if our founding fathers give 50% for women at that time, atleast our plate is full before 1960.
It's not about reservation...let them come frome reserve category or open category...let passing marks be 90 for for 10 th, 12 th, iit,iim,mbbs. everyone...open n reserve...than we will see the real magic 😉😉 it will be a level playing field...no sc,st,obc,or open leader will opp it..
When the means are wrong..ends will also go wrong. Reservation further increased hate and created more thicker line among people. Unless method changes, reservation do more harm than good.
People commenting “ upper caste” teachers talking to end reservation you know what the problem when it comes to reservation all sc st obc don’t hesitate but while introducing themselves they hesitate why SC and OBC use general category surname there’s this guy who come from Munda community (I hugely respect the tribe) he uses Malhotra as his surname instead of Munda you guys firstly hesitate to introduce yourself from your actual identity and then you come and cry for reservation. A person who is getting 105 Rank in UPSC civil services will get 2nd of their preference service on the other hand someone who’s rank is 400 is sitting as IAS SC and ST will get IPS in around 500 rank but general category name will not be there in the list someone who’s getting around 70 percentile will sit in IIM ABC but general category scoring 97 percentile will not and irony is SC ST who really need reservation has no idea about their privileges
All those people giving reviews on these video should get to know that whatever the point you make...there should be reservation reason being there are no polictical leaders from sc sts who can win elections get seats and get elected in any elections unless there are seats reserved for them Reservation is must in india.. Modification like sub categories is welcomed..
Reservation should not be made a permanent benefit. It should be organic and progressive just like our Constitution is. There should be reforms in reservation. Until and unless there is no progressive reforms in Reservation Policy the aim of providing Reservation cant be met. And also after a certain number of years Reservation will create a whole different parcel of discriminated section of society .So "static reservation policy" will prove to be a disaster in long term.
I am General category non ews brahmin I am ready to drop my caste surname But are you ready to drop your reservation certificate ? I never eat any non veg drink smoke I found myself pure sanatani..muslims have unity they all are in obc but hindus are divided because of congress..So Hinduism or sanatani won't matter at all ??? If not I am ready to give up my cast please give up your reservation or jati praman partra..
Jatiwaad choddna Hai wo toh tum chodd Nahi paye. Jao pehle Apne Jatiwaadi Dharma se jatiwaad khatam Karo. Tab Baat Karna. Shankaracharyo Kitne non bane Hai Aaj tak. Jatiwaad aur jatiwaadi mansikta khatam Karo pehle. Phir yaaha aake Gyan Dena
it should be given more on the basis of economic status rather than castes , also it should be for the education only not in jobs . if someone is provided with the same education as others , whats the point of providing reservation in jobs .
Highly condemn on upper caste fellows discussion on reservation. On behalf of Aadhi Thamizhar Peravai (ATP) from Tamilnadu, we would oppose such a worst discussion by the advantaged group
Thank you so much to Unacademy and my take is reservation should continue with mandate checks and one time reservation provide to those eligible family then that family will be uplifted with socially, economically and educationally then reservation will be taken back from that family.
Reservation is not a matter of discussion it's the product of castism the black truth of sanatan ... Moreover the system of reservation is the key of adequate representative from all walks of society..Some idiot if elite upper cast can't decide the issue ... It's related the fate of unfortunate people of Indian system
Is reservation based on caste the only way? 🤔 Q1. If you or the Constitution recognize caste as an identity of its citizens and as a basis for discrimination (affirmative/non-affirmative), why should you expect people not to do the same? 😡 Q2. In Jharkhand, there are 32 Scheduled Tribe (ST) groups categorized based on their unique identities. Among these, the top 10 constitute 90% of the tribal population, while the bottom 5 constitute only 0.9% of the population. Which democracy is this? How can reservation distribute representation to include the bottom 5 tribal groups? 😡 These groups are not even the majority in their own villages. 🤔😡 We talk about vote counts, the "Right to Vote," and political representation. What is the real value of their vote?😡 Q3. As their population is less, their representation is also less. They are marginalized within the already marginalized community of STs, being at the bottom in terms of development parameters. Even if we consider 80% or 100% reservation for STs in Jharkhand:🤔 If their population is only 2,000 (e.g., Banjaras, Asurs, etc.), how much benefit will they gain from the same reservation pool where Santhals (50+ lakh), Mundas (30+ lakh), and others in lakhs are included? 🤔🤔🤔
Here some body will ask for HALVA double plate for somebody as they are depressed...if for 60/70 years( as a staet.point Repabllic onward ehen we were having power) depressed anf could mot come.up.....then what can be done...
Kindly see the India behinds on a Dalit nd Woman.Varnshram system ruled our nation more than 2000years.After the 1950 implementation of reservation how many members became well from OBC,SC,ST??Ambedkar wants equality in social democracy.Is it possible in ur Hindutva India??Who the hell to say me a Untouchability??
Sir in j&k , vertical reservation is 60%, and horizontal reservation is 20%( in non gazetted police posts).. and the shocking part is j&k has the most number of people from general category i.e 70% .... That's why, new reservation policy in j&k is unjust, discriminatory and highly exploitative Please raise this issue so that the dumb policy makers should reconsider their decision and make just policy😢
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Elite upper caste educators with highpaying jobs talking about ending reservation is the most constructive discussion let's talk about political and judicial and executive reservation which the upper castes enjoy unprecedentedly every now and then have some guts to show the status great work unacademy
In me kite sc st h phle ye to pta chale 😅😅
@@kaustubhk9196 we are in a vast country kaustubh. We do not have the luxury to wait for one evil to start working on the other.
One, I totally agree with you that upper castes enjoy a kind of societal reservation.
Second, you will have to accept that the reservation system needs reforms so that the weak among the weak get the benefits and not the people like us who can speak english (if you know what I mean here)
As a nation we need to work on both the issues simultaneously, by not abolishing reservation but by bringing the necessary reforms in it. Otherwise those who are getting benefitted by reservation disproportionately will become another ruling class and they will start operating the rest.
And it's a complete bulshit to say that those who are from upper caste or have high paying jobs should not comment on reservation... because the people who have a strong voice among the backward castes are silent on the misuse of reservation...they are silent on the rights of the weakest among the weak ... If you belong to these classes then probably you need to introspect
I see merit in them
You have no tangible points to discuss without getting personal. Anybody can discuss about reservations.
People are not even ready to drop their caste surname. Casteism is prevalent in every aspect of indian society. Socioeconomically and politically unequal people shouldn't be treated equally. Yes, a reform is needed in accordance with newer data. But that shouldn't mean injustice to people who've been historically discriminated against.
Time to End Caste System?
Exactly 💯
I am General category non ews brahmin I am ready to drop my caste surname But are you ready to drop your reservation certificate ?
I never eat any non veg drink smoke I found myself pure sanatani..muslims have unity they all are in obc but hindus are divided because of congress..So Hinduism or sanatani won't matter at all ??? If not I am ready to give up my cast please give up your reservation or jati praman partra..
@@adarshdwivedi1950 sorry but as of now "no". Today you may give up your caste and surname but what about other upper castes? can you vouch for them too? can you give valid assurances that the caste system will no longer prevail? can you promote single-handedly that there will be more inter-caste marriages? Just like people inherit land and properties, Upper Caste kids have inherited the "Sins of their Fathers".
@@adarshdwivedi1950 Same here Adarsh,I do agree,I am in General category but as a student,this discrimination hurts a lot ....where you've to pay form filling fees more than sc st category, like why?? Why do everyone thinks that Generals are more rich....we are not really rich...I never discriminated in caste although when I didn't know that reservation do exists...🤦🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️and now ,I am really scared about my future 😀
@@adarshdwivedi1950 bhai, surname rkho
Bs ye casteism wala system kya tu apne so called upper castes peoples
Ke dimag se hata skta hai bol
Uske baad reservation ko gaali de Lena 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣
I'm from general caste but I support reservation ...but at the same time anyone who go on to become MP . MLA..Cm.. governor.. SECRETARY ..OR ANY POST Whose salary is above 2 lakhs should be excluded y reservation
@@DhirendraKumar-nx1vs 24 lpa 😂😂 bro do you know the person capita income
There is no such caste but only category thatt is general cat
There is no such caste but only category thatt is general cat
There is no such caste but only category thatt is general cat
@@DhirendraKumar-nx1vs bro I live in a tier 1 city, my parents earn well enough... But still we have faced discrimination in our neighborhood and I've faced discrimination in my school. The maid who was working at our house, quit her job as soon as she got to know abt our caste..... It's really not abt money... It's just a way to deliver justice
Let's do social mathematics 😂😂
Let consider the case of jobs only at national level only
Total jobs in India=100%(let)
Total government jobs=2%
Total private jobs=98%
Total reservation in india=
27%+15%+7.5%+10% =
Obc+sc+st+ews=59.5%
Total reservation in job=59.5% of 2% of total jobs to more than 85 % of population 😂😂😂
Nahi samje to maf kardena😅
How many Reserved category people in this panel ? 😂😂😂😂
There is no “😂😂” for this comment!
No one probably..cause everyone who studied got govt jobs.
@@jdopessprite6547 good one
Why we are not talking about end caste system , intercaste marriage at root level (our home)..
Today also caste based discrimination prevalent but in different forms
@@Harry-es5gjthe upper caste want to enjoy social status that they create using fake criteria
Till the time reservation exist ..caste system will prevail
I think it is very difficult to change the thinking of people just by a particular government policy.
If that is true then why ambedkar kids are getting reservation despite brahmin mother ??
Caste based discrimination is not an obstacle for the development of the country
There should be Sub-categorization of reservation for SCs and STs. Take the example of Rajasthan where all the benefits of ST reservation are enjoyed by a particular caste. Many families have generation of group A and B jobs but still their children enjoy reservation but there are also some castes which still do the menial jobs and face discrimination in the society. A dalit girl begging on the street needs more reservation then the child of IAS Dalit who is sitting in government bunglow enjoying eating chips, studying in convent school and then also getting reservation in the job.
Also, reservation alone is not enough this is not like a tablet that once it is given the disease is cure, we need to invest in education as said by Manoj sir increase the size of pie and that pie should be of same quality so that every person can get good education and get the dream job they want. Provide scholarships to students who are economically weak whether from any caste.
I also have one argument against EWS Reservation criteria. The EWS criteria equate all the types of agricultural lands and plot. An agricultural land of Punjab would have higher value than the agricultural land of Rajasthan. Similarly the value of a plot in Tier 1 city would be more than Tir 2 or Tier 3 city. So, criteria should be decided for every region separetly backed by robust data but here also there are chances of politicization.
Superficially it seems a good idea, but there has to be unity in SC and ST communities for them to survive. If that unity is broken, then Upper Caste will eveentually eat up their seats slowly, as happening in IIM and IIT professor recruitments
@@atindrasaha9242 how will it do it
I agree with you on EWS quota...our 10 acre land cost less than even 2 acre land in Punjab ,Haryana. And also it depends totally on rainwater hence no stable income. But who cares... we get counted in general category...no scholarships no help even if we are top student and have to compete with financially privileged students for getting admission and for jobs.
OBC 60%, General ko 15%, SC 17%, ST 8% 🙏🏻
OBC want Proportional Representation
I support you
I belong to sc catagory
@@errahulmali7486 does a person which have a better talent from any caste should get representation
Reservation is a reward to his grand-grandchild, not for merit, but for the discrimination faced generations ago."
Reservation is nothing but representation given to the unrepresented class communities.
Nowadays reservation is just like football, all political parties are playing with it whenever it suits them.
Everybody think that reservation is only for sc/st
Its a wrong perseptions.
All category community are enjoying the reservation benifits.
Example: EWS, marati reservation etc.
Reservation should keeps on continue
As long as the country is still under to the social and economic injustice.
Chetan: Parag Aggarwal, Sundar, and Satya Narela have gone for reservations; they actually wanted to crack a government job. Let's talk about the four varnas and the root cause.
No varna no reservations
How do you do that?
Let's Start With The Removal Of EWS(General) Reservation😂😂
Why? EWS is based on financial status, which is the primary deterrent today
@@annamalaian0711one fraud EWS certificate waala spotted.
Very true.EWS is the biggest fraud.
Ofc and then OBC, too. Only SC ST deserve reservation
@@annamalaian0711 😂😂😂😂 boy you are afraid... You must read the judgement given by our new Chief justice of Supreme Court.
Do u dare to drop surnames and marry from other castes.. then reservation can be stopped
@@Ash677-z5y its persnl choice...whom to mrry or not...bt resrvtn is not a prsnl choice...its against equal opportunities ...thts why it has 2 end
It is not personal choice. It is a caste Mind set😂😂😂...you don't like other castes and their caste work😂😂😂...
This channel is an unexploited gold mine!
No Varna no reservation
Some people be taking out their frustrations on the teachers. They never for once mentioned they caste reservation should just end like that abruptly .we are having a discourse here putting all the pros n .
Excellent job thank you.
Reservation policy is there in Govt Public sectors and Eduactional Institutions, still we find Over-representations of certain castes...that shows
*Reservation policy is not implemented as per Constitution's provisions*
I am a general category student, having no govt employee at home, having no land. Only home of 2000 ft and not even got ews😢
Jai Ambedkar ✊✊❤❤
I think reservation alone is not enough.....there is a need to sensitise the people about social equality as if the person doesn't change his opinion about the socially disadvantaged people....they don't go to respect them even if one achieve the highest level of office....so the discrimination is in the minds of people and there is a need to remove the discrimination from the minds of the people....
Thank you so much all of you
How do expect me to respect a reserved person ?
2000 year casteism vs 75year of reservation (sc,st,obc,ews)
Can we gut to eradicate casteism in entire india....
If u have gut starts now
Chetan: Meritocracy is not compromised by reservations. You can't understand the pain of Dalits. In my class at school, I was discriminated against on a large scale. I was not given rank 1 only because of my caste. I was always tortured by the teachers, friends, and even by landlords. While in college, people always reminded me of my caste. My economic conditions are good; we never received reservations. In my tuition classes, people discussed whose surname is of lower caste and referred to my first name, saying he is of lower caste. Do you understand?
I can feel you
So for these reasons you should get reservation in jobs, educational institutions without merit.. Really ? Many upper caste people are very poor can’t afford private schools and coaching if they get reservation like EWS then also you have problem ? You people are just burden on our country reason for brain drain .
Same happened with me...though today I can think of giving this exam.....back in my school days I was humiliated by one of my teachers - so called me by a derogatory word (related to my sub-caste within SC) - She was not sorry for that...I told my family and they cancelled my admission...Even though that was an elite school in my area - they could not maintain simple standards of social justice in their premises . Imagine teachers themselves doing this to their student - It terrorizes me even today!!
I am an SC person, but in my family, no one got reservation. We are against sub-classification and the creamy layer. Do you know why? Because those who are privileged, let's say for three generations, got reservation and became IAS. What can they do? If anything happens with reservation, then they can talk about it, protest against it, and challenge the superiority of the so-called upper varna. But people are fearing Dalit unity..that's why they want to divide the people on the basis of the creamy layer and sub-classification.
@@kanchansuklabaidya3220 so the non creamy sc layer can't protest on their own are u trying to say that?
Idiot understand your own benefit
let's say goverment gives 1000 rupees to 1000 people for sc st welfare each gets 1 rupee but if u exclude the creamy layer 100 people get 1000 rupees mean 10 rupees each so the non creamy rural sc st is getting more benefits
also reservation is killing the meritocracy of this nation
Till the time reservation exist... supremacy of upper caste will exist.. no matter what...
So you agree that if reserved people are not reserved they have 0 morals and they'll be against sc st reservation but on the other hand you want uc to accept reservation
Sorry to say creamy layer can't be justified, they really shouldn't get reservation atleast in Bengal which has a healthy society with really less caste issues
@@aniketsingh-iw7lq are you dumb bro from thousands of years this supremacy exist have you read a single line written in the books fckin stupid argument bro.... Just try to grab some knowledge before adding something logical....
Before going discussion on Reservation, please mentioned Your categories.. Then we will get some clarity. Don't say diplomatic statements. No matter to mentioned.. Then mentioned your belonging caste categories
People who say that Reservation is fading or its not there … Recently Gukesh's caste was searched record high after he won the Grandmaster title ! This is just the tip of the iceberg !
First abolish the caste system in the hindu religion and then we can end the reservation system. There should be only hindu not any caste hindu ,until that reservation will be there...no one can touch the reservation.. current population of sc and st are 30 crore. No one can touch the reservation....mind it..
If caste is asked in admissions reservation must be given in all stages . If not, reservation is not necessary at all.
Respected teachers of unacademy want a discussions on formal and informal education and reason for Dalits still a Dalit considering that all our five fingers are not same but a closed fist is the size of a our heart 😅
I like it when sarmad sir mentions Jayalalitha, an admiring people centric personality change the way men in TN look at women eventhough she is an actress stand alone win hearts and teach mens about her ability is a great eaxmple of women empowerment.
Lets reserve 100 percent and remove untouchability
Caste is the reality of Indian Civilization...
That's why we need equal representation proportionately.
We need Caste based census...Pta to chlo kisko aur kabtak Reservation ki Actual need h, aur kon desh ke institutions mein doosro ka haq markar Gulati marke baithakr🤨
Ye jatiwaadi Caste census Ki Baat Kabhi Nahi karnege. Muh me dahi jama lete Hai ye Caste Based atrocities pe.
Reservation is the cornerstone to social justice. As chethan sir said there is a gross misuse of reservation. Recent case of pooja khedhar his father is politician and getting obc .there need cremy layer concept in sc/st and sub categorisation. For this caste census is must. I vehemently oppose the ews reservation.only 7% of people are paying income tax . Even all people are eligible for ews reservation. This people are benefited historically. There need further purge in obc and sc/st. Such wonder full debate.
Ews was proposed and passed by upper caste party only.
In name of applying creamy layers to Sc/STs they are gonna decrease the percentage of reservation to these communities.... That now less no. Of people are to eligible for it.... It's just a chutiyapa way of decreasing percentage.... And they from beginning came doing it.... They are continuously decreasing the reservation of sc/sts.....
take my bow all of u sir
Top class video sir please also make video on religious tension in country and places of worshop act 1991 in context of sambhal thank you love the video
Upper Caste महासभा।
Why Not Discuss On Eradication Of Caste System, Casteist Teachers,
A Creamy layer shall be made applicable to remove from the net of reservation to perculate the benefit to the needy and avoid repeated benefits to one section among reserved. We have been providing 6:13 reservation since independence still there is no quantum jump among SC communities because the benefit is eaten up a few restricting the benefit to disadvantaged. The competition among uplifted and down trodden among SC/ST by enforcement reasonable exclusion is the need of hour..
To be very frank please, count OBCs into a group taking reservation. As of now of social media especially, OBC despite enjoying 27% quota and other relaxations like age limit, number of attempts etc, claim same conditions as the EWS or general category.
All three form a block together, try to completely blame it over the SCs and STs. It's very harmful narrative that only SCs, STs and Dr. Ambedkar have become synonymous to Reservation system while EWS and OBC despite having huge chunk of reservation, doesn't enjoy the reservation and are the sufferers.
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The real sufferer is always a general category student.
Dr B.R Ambedkar had dreamt about creating a one caste system. But there is also too many pros and cons. But we also have the fact that the Manipur conflict is the result of reservation and facilities based on caste(I think so) so if we want to make a one caste system than we should also focus on economic development and some schemes or something else like EWS. If I had any mistakes please reply it to your opinion
Those saying first remove casteism then remove caste reservations should specify a text from where the idea of caste is written to be removed???
Reservations is most important aspect for empowerment of marginalized communities in I
Reservation remains a necessary mechanism in India to address historical and systemic inequalities faced by marginalized communities. It ensures social justice and provides opportunities for those who have been disadvantaged due to caste, class, or gender-based discrimination, as enshrined in Articles 15 and 16 of the Constitution....
Nd also debates arise about its mandatory nature in a modern context. Critics argue that reservation often benefits the economically well-off within reserved categories and creates divisions. They advocate for economic criteria instead of caste-based reservation to promote fairness and equality.
A balanced perspective acknowledges that while reservation is still relevant to uplift the marginalized, reforms are needed to ensure it reaches the genuinely disadvantaged. Regular reviews and efforts to balance merit and social justice can make the system more effective and inclusive.
Ok bro then I should add one more argument to your statement here that's there should be a mechanism to be developed to check whether marginalized are getting there social status uplifted or not.... And if not then what's to point of all this recommendations you've just put down here??? Right! It's no use reservation is not the issue the issue is they dont want to give you respect that you deserve.... They only want to keep themselves above at all cost... Their all old scriptures that is there contains it to guide them at every step of their life...
According to round table summits held in London 1930,31,32 ambedcar wanted representation in legislative assembly like muslim,sikh, enterpreneur,women jamindaari etc. But because of gandhi representation turned into reservation
This comment section is the exact reason why reservation should be ended
Sir make these types of videos more and more for enrich our ideas and thoughts .❤
Thank-you All
Then why is 90% govt institute still run by general🧐🧐🧐
That's why we need Caste based census...
Pta to lage Kon kitni jagah pr Kabja krke baitha h
Problem is we are as a society looking at rervation from top view (ie from upper caste view) it comes with an assumption that economic upliftment leads to ending of caste discrimination. Though it improves ones rank in secular hierarchy but not in social hierarchy therefore even though kumari mayavatiji or say ex-president ramnath kovind ji visited temples. Those temples were purified. Enforcing creamy layer will nullify the entire intension of caste based reservation. Solution is caste census the country must know if there is concentration of social resources and ways to distribute it. Those in favour of caste based census hit the like.
If reservation is representation than why it is not in rajya Sabha ?
I agree with Chetan sir and Abhishek sir that Reservation is indeed in need but it with better implementation
10 years time limit was only for political reservation not the for the reservation in the educational institutes
Need guts to speak...... great more power to Unacademy 😅
Keep bringing such topics 🎉🎉
Why EWS? reservation is for social justice...but EWS ... Biggest JOKE.....Worst this that MODI did
Sir it's not only Rajasthan, in 2023 the states PCS of Uttar Pradesh also have higher cutoff for OBC than General...
We see the fake certificate ews also
Time to end Casteism par bhi ek episode bana do Upper caste walo.
Although I don't believe in Hinduism or on others, still I will say --U can't change Rig Vedas written on 4 Varna system and from other Hindu scriptures,,, therefore it is almost impossible to eliminate caste system from our country ,,, but it doesn't mean that General categories and others will be barred forever because of casteism presence,,,,, Everything is determined and driven by Economic status not by social mean which was prevalent once,,,,,Karl Marx mentioned only 2 classes - "Haves and Have nots"
Karl Marx doesnt really apply directly in Indian context. There are many fundamental differences between the European class society and Indian caste society.
Chetan sir ko Sahi se bolne nahi Diya
Overall it was good discussion 👍
Some group of population will quote MG , baba Ambr...for everything.sometimes as of now othercountry has got liberation or there is no constitution. Baba himself has said that it should be extended.to 10or max 20 years. Why this para is avoided .
The long and short of it is that most people who are benefiting out of reservation will be for it and most people who arent getting its benefit will be against it.
need a constructive debate on relevancy , role and reforms in UN
Women's reservation in panchayat may have some flaws but not incase of assembly and parliamentary elections MLA,MP is not a easy role for ignorant. And Women's if learn a little ofcourse teach a lot will not allow anyone to drive from backseat.
Instead of BC reservation if our founding fathers give 50% for women at that time, atleast our plate is full before 1960.
It's not about reservation...let them come frome reserve category or open category...let passing marks be 90 for for 10 th, 12 th, iit,iim,mbbs. everyone...open n reserve...than we will see the real magic 😉😉 it will be a level playing field...no sc,st,obc,or open leader will opp it..
Reservation should be based on the Economic situation not caste
When the means are wrong..ends will also go wrong. Reservation further increased hate and created more thicker line among people.
Unless method changes, reservation do more harm than good.
People commenting “ upper caste” teachers talking to end reservation you know what the problem when it comes to reservation all sc st obc don’t hesitate but while introducing themselves they hesitate why SC and OBC use general category surname there’s this guy who come from Munda community (I hugely respect the tribe) he uses Malhotra as his surname instead of Munda you guys firstly hesitate to introduce yourself from your actual identity and then you come and cry for reservation. A person who is getting 105 Rank in UPSC civil services will get 2nd of their preference service on the other hand someone who’s rank is 400 is sitting as IAS SC and ST will get IPS in around 500 rank but general category name will not be there in the list someone who’s getting around 70 percentile will sit in IIM ABC but general category scoring 97 percentile will not and irony is SC ST who really need reservation has no idea about their privileges
Surname Kisi ke Baap ka ya ? Jiska Jo man karega waise use karega ? Yaha Yaha pe bhi tumhe superior dikhana Apne Aap Ko. ?
Where's the 'effing' time to end Casteism?
All those people giving reviews on these video should get to know that whatever the point you make...there should be reservation reason being there are no polictical leaders from sc sts who can win elections get seats and get elected in any elections unless there are seats reserved for them Reservation is must in india.. Modification like sub categories is welcomed..
Reservation should not be made a permanent benefit. It should be organic and progressive just like our Constitution is. There should be reforms in reservation. Until and unless there is no progressive reforms in Reservation Policy the aim of providing Reservation cant be met. And also after a certain number of years Reservation will create a whole different parcel of discriminated section of society .So "static reservation policy" will prove to be a disaster in long term.
Please give time to speak Chetan sir also 😊
When does social discrimination end
I am General category non ews brahmin I am ready to drop my caste surname But are you ready to drop your reservation certificate ?
I never eat any non veg drink smoke I found myself pure sanatani..muslims have unity they all are in obc but hindus are divided because of congress..So Hinduism or sanatani won't matter at all ??? If not I am ready to give up my cast please give up your reservation or jati praman partra..
They will not.
Jatiwaad choddna Hai wo toh tum chodd Nahi paye. Jao pehle Apne Jatiwaadi Dharma se jatiwaad khatam Karo. Tab Baat Karna. Shankaracharyo Kitne non bane Hai Aaj tak. Jatiwaad aur jatiwaadi mansikta khatam Karo pehle. Phir yaaha aake Gyan Dena
it should be given more on the basis of economic status rather than castes , also it should be for the education only not in jobs . if someone is provided with the same education as others , whats the point of providing reservation in jobs .
Highly condemn on upper caste fellows discussion on reservation. On behalf of Aadhi Thamizhar Peravai (ATP) from Tamilnadu, we would oppose such a worst discussion by the advantaged group
Thank you so much to Unacademy and my take is reservation should continue with mandate checks and one time reservation provide to those eligible family then that family will be uplifted with socially, economically and educationally then reservation will be taken back from that family.
Excellent keep giving such helful videos ...extraordinary discussion❤
Without conducting a caste based survey you never know the exact population and what their needs
Ha ha.! Hypocricy.
We need good politicians, government worker , than whole system was changed 😊
In my opinion all kind of reservation should be ended and a system on merit should be there that's it and that's all
Great initiative Unacademy 👍
Thanks a ton, Keep watching!
English baad main furrakio
Gao main jakar dekhiye ki kitna bhedbhav aabhi hai
Ya sabhi log samaan hai chuke hai kya
amazing initiative sirs
Reservation is not a matter of discussion it's the product of castism the black truth of sanatan ...
Moreover the system of reservation is the key of adequate representative from all walks of society..Some idiot if elite upper cast can't decide the issue ... It's related the fate of unfortunate people of Indian system
Is reservation based on caste the only way? 🤔
Q1. If you or the Constitution recognize caste as an identity of its citizens and as a basis for discrimination (affirmative/non-affirmative), why should you expect people not to do the same? 😡
Q2. In Jharkhand, there are 32 Scheduled Tribe (ST) groups categorized based on their unique identities.
Among these, the top 10 constitute 90% of the tribal population, while the bottom 5 constitute only 0.9% of the population.
Which democracy is this? How can reservation distribute representation to include the bottom 5 tribal groups? 😡
These groups are not even the majority in their own villages. 🤔😡
We talk about vote counts, the "Right to Vote," and political representation. What is the real value of their vote?😡
Q3. As their population is less, their representation is also less.
They are marginalized within the already marginalized community of STs, being at the bottom in terms of development parameters.
Even if we consider 80% or 100% reservation for STs in Jharkhand:🤔
If their population is only 2,000 (e.g., Banjaras, Asurs, etc.), how much benefit will they gain from the same reservation pool where Santhals (50+ lakh), Mundas (30+ lakh), and others in lakhs are included? 🤔🤔🤔
These types of conversation are very knowledgeable keep it up sir log 🙏👍👍
Discussion is good ❤❤❤❤but voicing has some problems
Reservation should be given based on income
How to end caste system permanently? Any discussion
There is no need of such discussion on topic which doesn't have negative impact on society
Hai hi nahi caste system ...it's reservation system which is the caste system
Here some body will ask for HALVA double plate for somebody as they are depressed...if for 60/70 years( as a staet.point Repabllic onward ehen we were having power) depressed anf could mot come.up.....then what can be done...
Y dont we abolish caste system rather than discussions
Also you are not discussing the main topic the cast system in india ...the real enemy in society...and how to remove cast system.
Kindly see the India behinds on a Dalit nd Woman.Varnshram system ruled our nation more than 2000years.After the 1950 implementation of reservation how many members became well from OBC,SC,ST??Ambedkar wants equality in social democracy.Is it possible in ur Hindutva India??Who the hell to say me a Untouchability??
Reservation for inefficient people doesn't help the country
Reservation should continue for SC STs
Sir in j&k , vertical reservation is 60%, and horizontal reservation is 20%( in non gazetted police posts).. and the shocking part is j&k has the most number of people from general category i.e 70% ....
That's why, new reservation policy in j&k is unjust, discriminatory and highly exploitative
Please raise this issue so that the dumb policy makers should reconsider their decision and make just policy😢
why there is need to have upper caste like barahman shattriya vaishy ❓❓❓ why there is need to be brahman thakur baniya ❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓
Watched 💫
Thanks sir ☺️
At least Unacademy took a step forward. Real gem putting their opinion but not possible