If you have Kevlar string, you can sew it as well, though it doesn't hold as well as screws. When I did mine, I screwed it in after sewing it. Though I like the addition of silicone, I never thought of that. Well done
As long as the wick is anchored to the core then it doesn't matter how you seal it off. if you sew it closed, using screws is pointles as you'll have exposed metal. And hot metal is what burns you. Despite this, i still like to use screws, and counter sink them into the wick. Screws through the wick stop the wick from unwravelling like a tube of paper.
Great instructable!.... Why use so much silicone tape at each end? Kinda seems like you're using 3x more than necessary, and intentionally clubbing it up at the Kevlar. Are you just going for more weight, or will the silicone tape melt if it doesn't have so much mass bulked up?
It was like this for weight and aesthetics. It doesn't need so many layers really. 2 layers is enough. It actually didn't last so long. After about 8months or so, the silicone split in half, as if it was cut open with a scalpel. So to many layers is probably bad.
By using a metal drill bit going forwards through the Kevlar, it tends tends to completely destroy the Kevlar, by pulling a few threads out and wrapping them around the drill bit. This ruins your kevlar and is rather awkward to remove from the drill bit. But going reverse through kevlar and normal through metal, the sharp edges of the bit do not catch the Kevlar.
Hello, at the beginning well job Bro ! Amazing tutorial. Im before my first work and I preparing all materials . I bought 150 cm chrome plated stell pole weight is 1.6kg it will be good ? I cannot find in my country wick but I found kevlar material . Maybe have you some idea how to create own wick ? Other thing I bought tenis grip like 0,7 mm without glue , should I boy some other tape ?
Hello. 1.6kg will be very very heavy once you add end weight. If you can maybe swap core. Try to find some aluminium, or maybe hard wood. if you use wood, this is ok. but you need to protect the top of the wood with aluminium tape, then silicone tape on top. This will stop it burning. But ideally you want to fine some aluminum. 6082T-6 is good. Or 7075-T6 is best. Kevlar is what we use for wick! So if you found some, then you will be ok. Tennis tape is ok but not the best. If there is no glue, this is ok. You can simply put 1 long strip of double sided tape on one side of the staff and it will hold just fine. You also could try without sticky, it will probably hold and be ok if you overlap it a little. you want to use 3 rolls of racket tape. With the 1st two rolls, start from the middle, and grip outwards. Cut the 3rd roll in half, and continue the wrap. You will have 4 sections of grip. Hope this helps
Heyo, where did you get the aluminum tube from in the UK? Have struggled to find one! edit: sorry should have read the description closer! Went around wicks / homebase and they didn't have. Will try online
@@roryanderson5123 hiya. Links are in description. Although aluminium Warehouse has a new website since I made this, but I think the site is the same. Aluminium Warehouse is a great option for UK, however they only stock 6000 grade. The best option they have is 6082-t2. This works OK for contact staffs, but as it's softer than 7000 grade, so it's advisable to get 2mm wall thickness to help avoid bending. Once bent, a contact staff is ruined. Hands down the best option for aluminium contact staffs is 7075-T6 grade. To my knowledge they're not sold commercially in the UK. These cores are incredibly strong, and thus can be 1.5mm thick, reducing weight. Mine are over 10 years old with heavy use and no bends. EU sellers include Gora (Hungary) and juggling Calling (France) and in the USA, dark monk sells 7075 cores. I'm in the UK and able to sell you 7075-T6 in either 19mm or 22mm diameter. They're absolutely worth the investment.
+FlyEzekiel not necessary if your core is strong. I'm using the highest grade aluminium and it's really hard to bend. also adding wood all the way will change the weight distribution, thus removing momentum. And for contact staff you want momentum, and to keep rotation going you need end weights... not all weighted. Only reason I'd put wood all the way is if I was making a spinning staff or my core was crappy.
Hi does the aluminium pipe bend due to heat? Usually we never weld it because the metal bends and cannot take too much heat. I am a bit confused how this metal can be used as a staff? Please help 😊
The grades of aluminium I mentioned in the video do not bend with heat. You shouldn't need to weld contact staff for anything. Aluminium welds are prone to fractures, so not really good for props. You can buy 7075-T6 alluminium from: Gora, Hungary Dark monk, usa Juggling Calling, France You can also get lower quality from Alluminium warehouse. they sell 6082 which is fine for fire spinning. www.aluminiumwarehouse.co.uk/3-4-in-x-1-4-in-aluminium-round-tube
haha. I gripped countless staffs before, I have a lot practice. I have slightly changed the way I do it now. The key is to find the angle of the spiral before laying it with adhesive. Do this by wrapping the grip around the core with 1 loop. Loosen, and tighten the grip until it lines up perfectly. Use some tape to secure. Make a few wraps, and then peel off the adhesive tape. This means that 90% of the grip will stuck down, and the beginning won't. un peel the temporary tape, unwrap the non stuck grip, and re wrap it with adhesive. NOTE: This method is only valid for grips which lay side by side such as epdm, Nin-Grips-U or wizards grip. not suitable for grips which overlap such as tennis grip. If you spot a wave in the grip (you will see gaps in layers as you wrap) roll the staff and you will spot where the wave starts. Unwrap and remove the wave as you re wrap. Hope this helps. What grip are you using ?!
You can use old jeans, towels, or other thick fabric but i would strongly advise you don't. Many fabrics have blend of synthetic materials, and may be chemically treated. Burning these fabrics can be a health risk. Alternatives will ware out so much faster and will need replacing every few burns, whereas kevlar should last you over 2 years if looked after. A cheaper alternative would be Ceramic wrap / cermaic cord, or exaust heat wrap. These materials aren't as good as kevlar but will last much longer than fabric. If you lay cotton fabric under the heat wrap, then it'll have better absorbtion. (as the heat wrap isn't that absorbant) They use fibre glass in their composition. This makes it very itchy and dangerous to handle without approapriate mask.
The cermaic wrap is white in colour. and once made, you should burn it once without spinning. Then it's good to go, but don't use it as practice prop. only for fire. www.etsy.com/no-en/shop/FuriaStudioFireProps?ref=simple-shop-header-name&listing_id=634533238
please can you write me in a message all that is needed to make the staf, and I pass it to Spanish, and tell me if the long stick serves me the tail of the mop. Thank you :)
Two questions: How do you find the differences between a thin-walled and a thick-walled aluminum 3/4" tubing affect the momentum? Also what are the differences in quality and effect between 1/8" and 1/16" thick wick? I'm 5'2" tall, and I estimated a good length to be around 140cm?
Hey. In my experience, 7075 doesn't wobble much, I used the thin wall stuff, and it was fine. However, I have occurred a slight bend in one of my staffs. The smaller OD of the core you use, the more susceptible it'll he to wobbling / bouncing. I combat this by having less end weight and shorter length. For example I am currently making 2 sets of 5/8 sosc sticks at 130cm and 120cm using 85cm of thick 70cm wick. I have not found 7/8 to wobble at all, even when using 6082 alloy. It's the 5/8 you need to be careful with as it can be bouncy depending on length and wick size. Thicker softer wick will have a shorter overall life span, however will provide larger flames. Thinner wick tends to be tighter woven, so I don't wrap it as tight when making the staff so it has more airflow. Sorry for late reply. Been traveling.
the thickness is going to affect more any bounce. also weight distribution. the steeper the weight ratio the better the momentum. so, if you kept the wick the exact same, using a thin walled core will have better momentum than a thick walled staff. Over all weight isn't important, but the weight ration / distribution. i have carbon fibre training staffs as i can keep the weight down but still maintain momentum, meaning i can train for longer and reduce risk of injury. A lot of my older staffs were heavy, i thought that heavy was good, but this is not true, a steep weight ratio is good. i used 140cm for years and i'm 6'3"..... now i am using 130cm, lighter, shorter... comes with time / experience.
thanks for the awesome tips you describe in your tutorial! you really made it idiot proof =) in your video you are using dark monk grade 7075, but the equivalent of your link is the UK is lower range (grade 6082) which is specifically talking, lacking the strong metal (zinc and copper) have you built any staff using the 6082? i intend to built fire staffs (manipulation and juggling) , not contact.. also a cube.. Do you think the 6082 grade would be strong enough?
Hello. 6082 is good yes. I've made may contact staff using this metal. It definitely stands up to heavy use and lots of big drops. Of course any metal will bend if you force it the right way, I've somehow managed to bend more than 1 7075. The main issue you will find with 6082 is the weight. The same dimensions are noticeably heavier than 7075. By all means it's not unmanageably heavy though. but a cube might be on the heavy side if you used a thick size. For both the cube and juggling sticks I'd use 5/8 14swg. This will be fine for juggling sticks as I've made some and they're OK. However I prefer carbon fibre for practice (not fire) The 6082 is more suited for contact staff if you use 3/4 14swg For manipulation / general fire staff I'd try again, the 5/8...However you'd want to keep the length no longer than 130cm or it can wobble due to the thinness. Also, use 65mm wick and about 1m. So short and stubby. This will give a nice feel for manipulation. Pretty much, the 3/4 might be a bit heavy for you if you just want a spinny staff... And depending on your personal preference you might not like the thin stuff. But you can easily fatten it up with mounting tape under the grip. I am still hunting for reliable reasonable price 7075 in the UK.
Thank you so much for the quick answer!! My actual double staff are 17mm (approx) and 20mm with the grip. They are quite short: 800mm. I intend to make my new staffs 5/8 14swg, 850mm, i should not have wobbly problem or weight issue.. When you say 1m wick, do you mean 1m per staff or per head? For a cube.. Do you think a 3/4 14swg 1250mm would be ridiculously too heavy? What about a 5/8 14swg 1250mm? I intend to make 2 cubes.. and one of them would be for a girl... Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge=)
+Xavier C Hey. No problem. Glad to help. 3/4 + wicks would probably be to heavy for the cube. It'd weigh a ton and not be good for rsi / forearm strain. I'd go for 5/8 everything. But 3/4 for a regular staff would be fine if you wanted it bigger, it would be on the heavy side but totally manageable. If you use 3/4 for a spinny / contact staff I'd use 70/80cm of 100mm or 120mm wick. This be more like a contact staff. For a spinny staff at 5/8, using 65mm wide wick at almost a 1m long would be a good size for weight and decent flames. Depending on whether it's 140cm or over it might wobble. I made 120cm and 130cm long 5/8 with 65mm wick by 90cm length for staff on staff contact. This set up would be really nice for spinning and manips. Based on preference you might want to fatten it up with double sided foam tape (pound shop) before applying your grip. 5/8th for the cube would be good. All cubes I've seen have used thin tubes as their structure. I'd assume this thickness due to anything thicker being far to heavy. Welding the corners should work fine. But making a system where it's collapsible might be the issue. I'd use a slightly larger tube to make up the 3 tube for each corner,with the inner diameter (ID) being 5/8. And then the 5/8 bars could slot in and fasten with a push button like on a hoop. Just an idea though. It has been known for cubes to fall apart during use / performance and send bits flying. So whatever you do, make sure it's structurally sound. The 5/8 on a cube might be prone flexing during use, warping the shape a little, so extra important that it's secure for use. Especially if it's going to have wicks.
yo tengo una pregunta espero pueda ser respondida.. ¿cual es el nombre esa cinta que pones en las orillas?, yo no logro encontrarla como wick en México, ¿alguna sugerencia de donde pueda comprarla?
Hola. Pues ablo Un poco de Español. El cinto dentre El grip Y wick especially silicone. Para areglar tubería. Pero no es El mejor. Silicone tubo es mejor. Estoy comprando de eBay. Silicone tubo Para coches. Algo parecido de esto: m.ebay.co.uk/itm/10Mm-Upto-25Mm-I-D-Silicone-Vacuum-Hose-Tubing-Turbo-Coolant-Rubber-Air-Vac-Pip-/350701059592?var=&hash=item51a7697e08%3Am%3Amwre20Ejhp7rpGKLiBKkBUg&_trkparms=pageci%253A0d5eba42-7a46-11e6-b434-005056976b7c%257Cparentrq%253A276c63031570a2af652a7f33fffea8fa%257Ciid%253A23
@@LilMissJBeezy sorry for late reply. All details are in description. High quality aluminium 6082-t6 Or the best is 7075t6 i like to use 19mm or 3/4inch 2mm wall 140cm - 150cm is the usual length
Hey. Where are you based? The best quality wick is from firetoys.co.uk UK based. Their wick last a long time, my staff is 2 years old and wicks are still fine. Home of poi (NZ) Play juggling (EU, US) Dark Monk (US) ThreeWorlds (AUS) All have wick, but they all stock the lesser quality which degrages faster. Will need replacing every year give or take. I recomend getting 2m of 100mm flat wick. You will need around 80cm of wick per end for decent size wicks.
depends on the thickness of your staff. 18mm diameter staff will use around 2m 22mm diameter will use around 4.5m Personally, i order enough to get wholesale price discount. but unless you make staff regularly it's probably not worth it. depending on your climate, sweat levels, and usage you might have to replace every 6 months or so. maybe less if your sweaty and train alot.
Nothing in this world is fireproof Silicone has a very high temp resistance, and as long as you don't hold the staff still for to long, so the silicone isn't exposed to the hottest heat, it'll be fine. it is possible that the silicone may bubble a little, and then it might split open like foil. then it needs replacing. the reason for using silicone is that it doesn't heat up as much as metal. So it's safer to use. If you accidentally touch the staff near the ends, you're you won't get branded by hot metal.
Hey I am 6ft 2in tall. And I prefer 140cm @ 3/4 thickness. However I'm using the 130cm ones I made in this video more at the moment. For weight I like around 80/90cm of 100mm wick. 3mm thick. Over time my staffs have become shorter, lighter and thinner. A natural progression I believe.
Hey. So since making this video I have changed preference for staffs. I am now playing more with double contact staff and really like 18mm thick carbon Fibre at 120cm long with flowers. They are super light with little end weight, but the flowers make the difference. These by all means are not beginner staffs. However they are well suited for manipulation, they are also thin making stick on stick action a lot easier. I am currently making new fire staff, similar to the ones in this video, however using 5/8 alloy tube, and 70cm wide wick by about 80/90cm length for a shorter more stubby wick. The concentrated end weight works well for momentum. So short and fat. As fat as a can, or more.
@@britishogo hi there, thanks for that video, great one. I know it's been a while but any chance you remember your overall staff weight preference as a beginner ? is around 1kg for 150cm to much ? You've mentioned heavier and longer, is easier to begin with right ? Does it also help to have quite heavy wicks/tips has it add momentum or will it make the staff faster making it harder to control ? thanks again for sharing knowledge. peace.
@@charliejoly9207 hey. All good questions. Overall weight isn't to much of an issue. Tho you don't particularly want it to heavy. Using carbon fibre for practice staffs, or high quality aluminium for fire is most common. The most important thing is the weight distribution. So heavier end weights will give you more momentum. And will be easier to play contact. 150cm is the typical length for a contact staff. And my fire staffs come in at just under a kilo in total weight, overall weight isn't overall that important, it's momentum that's important.
@@charliejoly9207 you can make a practice staff using bike inner tubes as end weights. 1 mnt bike inner tube, cut in half will give you quite a heavy staff. So one you cut it into one long length, I'd cut off about 30 or 40. Then cut it in half. Stretch the rubber and wrap it on the staff tightly. Use gaffer to seal it off.
All that and you don’t light it for us!?! Your skills are obviously solid enough but I’ll tell what I tell to anyone with a fire apparatus. Don’t light it until you are confident in your ability, make sure you’re in a safe place and wearing appropriate attire and have an experienced fire performer running safety for you.😂😂😂 Good build though.
What country are you based? For UK, best wick is from firetoys.co.uk 80mm - 120mm flat wick. 3.2mm thick is great for contact staffs. If you use a less wide wick, wrap it fatter. This will actually slow the roll more. Typical is about 70cm length of 100mm wide. So order 2m.
Great tutorial. Thanks! Most impressive is that you spin the staff in your kitchen and didn’t break anything
hahaha, thanks. This was a long time ago now. Check out my other spinning videos on my chanel.
Kitchen matrix - very nice! 😁😅 Thanks a lot for this video, very helpful and informative. :)
Thanks for tutorial! I could make my own fire staff and a wee torch.
Lovely vid, thankyou for showing it. Love seeing that big happy face while giving it a spin!
aw. Thank you so much
Thanks alot, a very good description
Don’t need a new vice . Just need to mount the one you have . Great tutorial!
I like it. Would u show us how to put fire and what precautions we need to be?
Dammm you got mad skillz spinning!!!
Genius! Your contact staff looks beautiful!
If you have Kevlar string, you can sew it as well, though it doesn't hold as well as screws. When I did mine, I screwed it in after sewing it. Though I like the addition of silicone, I never thought of that. Well done
As long as the wick is anchored to the core then it doesn't matter how you seal it off.
if you sew it closed, using screws is pointles as you'll have exposed metal. And hot metal is what burns you.
Despite this, i still like to use screws, and counter sink them into the wick. Screws through the wick stop the wick from unwravelling like a tube of paper.
Great instructable!.... Why use so much silicone tape at each end? Kinda seems like you're using 3x more than necessary, and intentionally clubbing it up at the Kevlar. Are you just going for more weight, or will the silicone tape melt if it doesn't have so much mass bulked up?
It was like this for weight and aesthetics. It doesn't need so many layers really. 2 layers is enough.
It actually didn't last so long. After about 8months or so, the silicone split in half, as if it was cut open with a scalpel. So to many layers is probably bad.
Hey! Thanks for tutorial. Awsome work. But i have a question, why reverse through kevlar then forwards through metal ? (5:50)
By using a metal drill bit going forwards through the Kevlar, it tends tends to completely destroy the Kevlar, by pulling a few threads out and wrapping them around the drill bit. This ruins your kevlar and is rather awkward to remove from the drill bit. But going reverse through kevlar and normal through metal, the sharp edges of the bit do not catch the Kevlar.
thanks !!
I should have watched this before building mine.
Thank you great man🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Hello, at the beginning well job Bro ! Amazing tutorial.
Im before my first work and I preparing all materials . I bought 150 cm chrome plated stell pole weight is 1.6kg it will be good ?
I cannot find in my country wick but I found kevlar material . Maybe have you some idea how to create own wick ?
Other thing I bought tenis grip like 0,7 mm without glue , should I boy some other tape ?
Hello.
1.6kg will be very very heavy once you add end weight. If you can maybe swap core. Try to find some aluminium, or maybe hard wood.
if you use wood, this is ok. but you need to protect the top of the wood with aluminium tape, then silicone tape on top. This will stop it burning.
But ideally you want to fine some aluminum.
6082T-6 is good. Or 7075-T6 is best.
Kevlar is what we use for wick! So if you found some, then you will be ok.
Tennis tape is ok but not the best. If there is no glue, this is ok. You can simply put 1 long strip of double sided tape on one side of the staff and it will hold just fine. You also could try without sticky, it will probably hold and be ok if you overlap it a little.
you want to use 3 rolls of racket tape. With the 1st two rolls, start from the middle, and grip outwards. Cut the 3rd roll in half, and continue the wrap. You will have 4 sections of grip.
Hope this helps
Heyo, where did you get the aluminum tube from in the UK? Have struggled to find one! edit: sorry should have read the description closer! Went around wicks / homebase and they didn't have. Will try online
@@roryanderson5123 hiya. Links are in description. Although aluminium Warehouse has a new website since I made this, but I think the site is the same.
Aluminium Warehouse is a great option for UK, however they only stock 6000 grade. The best option they have is 6082-t2. This works OK for contact staffs, but as it's softer than 7000 grade, so it's advisable to get 2mm wall thickness to help avoid bending. Once bent, a contact staff is ruined.
Hands down the best option for aluminium contact staffs is 7075-T6 grade. To my knowledge they're not sold commercially in the UK. These cores are incredibly strong, and thus can be 1.5mm thick, reducing weight. Mine are over 10 years old with heavy use and no bends. EU sellers include Gora (Hungary) and juggling Calling (France) and in the USA, dark monk sells 7075 cores.
I'm in the UK and able to sell you 7075-T6 in either 19mm or 22mm diameter. They're absolutely worth the investment.
Very detailed! Well done and Thank You!
good one , but good option is put wood all along in tube too.
+FlyEzekiel not necessary if your core is strong. I'm using the highest grade aluminium and it's really hard to bend. also adding wood all the way will change the weight distribution, thus removing momentum. And for contact staff you want momentum, and to keep rotation going you need end weights... not all weighted. Only reason I'd put wood all the way is if I was making a spinning staff or my core was crappy.
i liked your video a lot, thanks for the ideas!
Ur so adorable!!
Hi does the aluminium pipe bend due to heat? Usually we never weld it because the metal bends and cannot take too much heat. I am a bit confused how this metal can be used as a staff? Please help 😊
The grades of aluminium I mentioned in the video do not bend with heat.
You shouldn't need to weld contact staff for anything.
Aluminium welds are prone to fractures, so not really good for props.
You can buy 7075-T6 alluminium from:
Gora, Hungary
Dark monk, usa
Juggling Calling, France
You can also get lower quality from Alluminium warehouse. they sell 6082 which is fine for fire spinning.
www.aluminiumwarehouse.co.uk/3-4-in-x-1-4-in-aluminium-round-tube
Awesome vid!
Damn !! that's awesome, thanks man !
How are you that good at wrapping the tape!?
haha. I gripped countless staffs before, I have a lot practice.
I have slightly changed the way I do it now.
The key is to find the angle of the spiral before laying it with adhesive.
Do this by wrapping the grip around the core with 1 loop. Loosen, and tighten the grip until it lines up perfectly. Use some tape to secure. Make a few wraps, and then peel off the adhesive tape. This means that 90% of the grip will stuck down, and the beginning won't.
un peel the temporary tape, unwrap the non stuck grip, and re wrap it with adhesive.
NOTE:
This method is only valid for grips which lay side by side such as epdm, Nin-Grips-U or wizards grip. not suitable for grips which overlap such as tennis grip.
If you spot a wave in the grip (you will see gaps in layers as you wrap) roll the staff and you will spot where the wave starts. Unwrap and remove the wave as you re wrap.
Hope this helps.
What grip are you using ?!
Hi! Thanks u for the explanaiton, but I have a doubt, why do you cut the pine in 4?? And what length are them?
Cómo puedo encontrar el material de la mecha ??:(
you are so awesome!!
oh! ya veo, y alguna sugerencia de reemplazo? jajaja algo más casero?
what is the budget (apart from the drill) please
Thank you soooo much!!!!
tnx🔥
Hi im fire dancer also how to what kind of clouts I'm using if I don't have that kind of things
I have a question, how would I go about making a wick if I didn’t have any Kevlar available? Are there any even possible alternatives?
It's not as good but you could use an old towel it will just need to be replaced more often
You can use old jeans, towels, or other thick fabric but i would strongly advise you don't. Many fabrics have blend of synthetic materials, and may be chemically treated. Burning these fabrics can be a health risk. Alternatives will ware out so much faster and will need replacing every few burns, whereas kevlar should last you over 2 years if looked after.
A cheaper alternative would be Ceramic wrap / cermaic cord, or exaust heat wrap. These materials aren't as good as kevlar but will last much longer than fabric. If you lay cotton fabric under the heat wrap, then it'll have better absorbtion. (as the heat wrap isn't that absorbant)
They use fibre glass in their composition. This makes it very itchy and dangerous to handle without approapriate mask.
The cermaic wrap is white in colour. and once made, you should burn it once without spinning. Then it's good to go, but don't use it as practice prop. only for fire.
www.etsy.com/no-en/shop/FuriaStudioFireProps?ref=simple-shop-header-name&listing_id=634533238
You rock! Thanks for this:]
Please what's name of that product you use for the staff
Aluminium 7075-T6
Europe :
Gora - hungary
Juggling calling - france
USA - dark monk
please can you write me in a message all that is needed to make the staf, and I pass it to Spanish, and tell me if the long stick serves me the tail of the mop. Thank you :)
Wouldn't the Silicon near the grips melts as soon as you ignited that staff?
silicone is heat-resistant :)
No, because silicone is highly heat resitant.
Two questions: How do you find the differences between a thin-walled and a thick-walled aluminum 3/4" tubing affect the momentum? Also what are the differences in quality and effect between 1/8" and 1/16" thick wick?
I'm 5'2" tall, and I estimated a good length to be around 140cm?
Hey. In my experience, 7075 doesn't wobble much, I used the thin wall stuff, and it was fine. However, I have occurred a slight bend in one of my staffs.
The smaller OD of the core you use, the more susceptible it'll he to wobbling / bouncing. I combat this by having less end weight and shorter length. For example I am currently making 2 sets of 5/8 sosc sticks at 130cm and 120cm using 85cm of thick 70cm wick.
I have not found 7/8 to wobble at all, even when using 6082 alloy. It's the 5/8 you need to be careful with as it can be bouncy depending on length and wick size.
Thicker softer wick will have a shorter overall life span, however will provide larger flames. Thinner wick tends to be tighter woven, so I don't wrap it as tight when making the staff so it has more airflow.
Sorry for late reply. Been traveling.
the thickness is going to affect more any bounce. also weight distribution. the steeper the weight ratio the better the momentum. so, if you kept the wick the exact same, using a thin walled core will have better momentum than a thick walled staff. Over all weight isn't important, but the weight ration / distribution. i have carbon fibre training staffs as i can keep the weight down but still maintain momentum, meaning i can train for longer and reduce risk of injury. A lot of my older staffs were heavy, i thought that heavy was good, but this is not true, a steep weight ratio is good.
i used 140cm for years and i'm 6'3"..... now i am using 130cm, lighter, shorter... comes with time / experience.
thanks for the awesome tips you describe in your tutorial! you really made it idiot proof =)
in your video you are using dark monk grade 7075, but the equivalent of your link is the UK is lower range (grade 6082) which is specifically talking, lacking the strong metal (zinc and copper)
have you built any staff using the 6082? i intend to built fire staffs (manipulation and juggling) , not contact.. also a cube..
Do you think the 6082 grade would be strong enough?
Hello. 6082 is good yes. I've made may contact staff using this metal. It definitely stands up to heavy use and lots of big drops. Of course any metal will bend if you force it the right way, I've somehow managed to bend more than 1 7075.
The main issue you will find with 6082 is the weight. The same dimensions are noticeably heavier than 7075. By all means it's not unmanageably heavy though. but a cube might be on the heavy side if you used a thick size. For both the cube and juggling sticks I'd use 5/8 14swg. This will be fine for juggling sticks as I've made some and they're OK. However I prefer carbon fibre for practice (not fire)
The 6082 is more suited for contact staff if you use 3/4 14swg
For manipulation / general fire staff I'd try again, the 5/8...However you'd want to keep the length no longer than 130cm or it can wobble due to the thinness. Also, use 65mm wick and about 1m. So short and stubby. This will give a nice feel for manipulation.
Pretty much, the 3/4 might be a bit heavy for you if you just want a spinny staff... And depending on your personal preference you might not like the thin stuff. But you can easily fatten it up with mounting tape under the grip.
I am still hunting for reliable reasonable price 7075 in the UK.
Thank you so much for the quick answer!!
My actual double staff are 17mm (approx) and 20mm with the grip. They are quite short: 800mm.
I intend to make my new staffs 5/8 14swg, 850mm, i should not have wobbly problem or weight issue..
When you say 1m wick, do you mean 1m per staff or per head?
For a cube.. Do you think a 3/4 14swg 1250mm would be ridiculously too heavy?
What about a 5/8 14swg 1250mm?
I intend to make 2 cubes.. and one of them would be for a girl...
Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge=)
+Xavier C
Hey. No problem. Glad to help.
3/4 + wicks would probably be to heavy for the cube. It'd weigh a ton and not be good for rsi / forearm strain.
I'd go for 5/8 everything. But 3/4 for a regular staff would be fine if you wanted it bigger, it would be on the heavy side but totally manageable. If you use 3/4 for a spinny / contact staff I'd use 70/80cm of 100mm or 120mm wick. This be more like a contact staff.
For a spinny staff at 5/8, using 65mm wide wick at almost a 1m long would be a good size for weight and decent flames. Depending on whether it's 140cm or over it might wobble. I made 120cm and 130cm long 5/8 with 65mm wick by 90cm length for staff on staff contact. This set up would be really nice for spinning and manips. Based on preference
you might want to fatten it up with double sided foam tape (pound shop) before applying your grip.
5/8th for the cube would be good. All cubes I've seen have used thin tubes as their structure. I'd assume this thickness due to anything thicker being far to heavy. Welding the corners should work fine. But making a system where it's collapsible might be the issue. I'd use a slightly larger tube to make up the 3 tube for each corner,with the inner diameter (ID) being 5/8. And then the 5/8 bars could slot in and fasten with a push button like on a hoop. Just an idea though. It has been known for cubes to fall apart during use / performance and send bits flying. So whatever you do, make sure it's structurally sound. The 5/8 on a cube might be prone flexing during use, warping the shape a little, so extra important that it's secure for use. Especially if it's going to have wicks.
yo tengo una pregunta espero pueda ser respondida.. ¿cual es el nombre esa cinta que pones en las orillas?, yo no logro encontrarla como wick en México, ¿alguna sugerencia de donde pueda comprarla?
Hola. Pues ablo Un poco de Español.
El cinto dentre El grip Y wick especially silicone. Para areglar tubería. Pero no es El mejor. Silicone tubo es mejor. Estoy comprando de eBay. Silicone tubo Para coches.
Algo parecido de esto:
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Holaa, esa cinta, es inflamable? para hacer staff de fuego? o es solo para dar el peso y equilibrio? mucahs gracias, muy completo tu video.
what do I need to do to make my own flat wick like in your video???
I'm on the same page as this person
@@LilMissJBeezy sorry for late reply. All details are in description.
High quality aluminium 6082-t6
Or the best is 7075t6
i like to use 19mm or 3/4inch 2mm wall
140cm - 150cm is the usual length
How much did this cost you to make in comparison to just buying a contact staff?
What type of fuel do you use and how long does the flame typically last?
Walter West naptha,white fuele,
and i think kerosine(gaas)and also colemans lamp oil
link to song?
What material is used as a torch?
Kevlar (aramid fibres)
Where to buy the wick ??
Hey. Where are you based?
The best quality wick is from firetoys.co.uk
UK based. Their wick last a long time, my staff is 2 years old and wicks are still fine.
Home of poi (NZ)
Play juggling (EU, US)
Dark Monk (US)
ThreeWorlds (AUS)
All have wick, but they all stock the lesser quality which degrages faster. Will need replacing every year give or take.
I recomend getting 2m of 100mm flat wick.
You will need around 80cm of wick per end for decent size wicks.
I have a question, I am ordering the EPDM grip tape, how much should i order?
depends on the thickness of your staff.
18mm diameter staff will use around 2m
22mm diameter will use around 4.5m
Personally, i order enough to get wholesale price discount. but unless you make staff regularly it's probably not worth it.
depending on your climate, sweat levels, and usage you might have to replace every 6 months or so. maybe less if your sweaty and train alot.
Is the silicone tape fireproof?
Nothing in this world is fireproof
Silicone has a very high temp resistance, and as long as you don't hold the staff still for to long, so the silicone isn't exposed to the hottest heat, it'll be fine.
it is possible that the silicone may bubble a little, and then it might split open like foil. then it needs replacing.
the reason for using silicone is that it doesn't heat up as much as metal. So it's safer to use. If you accidentally touch the staff near the ends, you're you won't get branded by hot metal.
how long did it take you to make this?
I have lots of practice making these, i did 2 in about 3 hours.
but if it's your 1st staff, maybe set aside a whole afternoon.
Thank you, very helpful.. you're adorable
What do you prefer for weight and length of a contact staff?
Hey I am 6ft 2in tall. And I prefer 140cm @ 3/4 thickness. However I'm using the 130cm ones I made in this video more at the moment.
For weight I like around 80/90cm of 100mm wick. 3mm thick.
Over time my staffs have become shorter, lighter and thinner. A natural progression I believe.
Hey. So since making this video I have changed preference for staffs. I am now playing more with double contact staff and really like 18mm thick carbon Fibre at 120cm long with flowers. They are super light with little end weight, but the flowers make the difference. These by all means are not beginner staffs. However they are well suited for manipulation, they are also thin making stick on stick action a lot easier.
I am currently making new fire staff, similar to the ones in this video, however using 5/8 alloy tube, and 70cm wide wick by about 80/90cm length for a shorter more stubby wick. The concentrated end weight works well for momentum. So short and fat. As fat as a can, or more.
@@britishogo hi there, thanks for that video, great one. I know it's been a while but any chance you remember your overall staff weight preference as a beginner ? is around 1kg for 150cm to much ? You've mentioned heavier and longer, is easier to begin with right ? Does it also help to have quite heavy wicks/tips has it add momentum or will it make the staff faster making it harder to control ?
thanks again for sharing knowledge. peace.
@@charliejoly9207 hey.
All good questions.
Overall weight isn't to much of an issue. Tho you don't particularly want it to heavy. Using carbon fibre for practice staffs, or high quality aluminium for fire is most common.
The most important thing is the weight distribution. So heavier end weights will give you more momentum. And will be easier to play contact.
150cm is the typical length for a contact staff. And my fire staffs come in at just under a kilo in total weight, overall weight isn't overall that important, it's momentum that's important.
@@charliejoly9207 you can make a practice staff using bike inner tubes as end weights. 1 mnt bike inner tube, cut in half will give you quite a heavy staff. So one you cut it into one long length, I'd cut off about 30 or 40. Then cut it in half. Stretch the rubber and wrap it on the staff tightly. Use gaffer to seal it off.
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All that and you don’t light it for us!?! Your skills are obviously solid enough but I’ll tell what I tell to anyone with a fire apparatus. Don’t light it until you are confident in your ability, make sure you’re in a safe place and wearing appropriate attire and have an experienced fire performer running safety for you.😂😂😂 Good build though.
what is the budget (apart from the drill) please
Where can I buy wick like that?
What country are you based?
For UK, best wick is from firetoys.co.uk
80mm - 120mm flat wick. 3.2mm thick is great for contact staffs. If you use a less wide wick, wrap it fatter. This will actually slow the roll more. Typical is about 70cm length of 100mm wide. So order 2m.
Where can I buy kevlar wick?
What country are you based?
@@britishogo Hungary😉