this was that short period in time from 1988-1989 when Ministry and Skinny Puppy were basically one band. Nivek Ogre had moved to Toronto in 1988 and was spending a lot of time in Chicago (VIVISECT VI was actually made by Cevin Key and Dwayne Goettell making the music in Vancouver and sending Digital Tapes to Ogre in Ontario where he would record the vocal tracks and send them back to B.C.). Ogre toured with Ministry in 88 and 89 and contributed to the Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste recording sessions- he was listed as a member of Ministry in various places. Al produced Puppy's Rabies which to me was always more of a successor to Land of Rape and Honey than VIVISECT VI, even moreso than Mind is a Terrible Thing. Tracks like Rodent, Tin Omen, Hexonexxon seemed to be coming from the same place as tracks like You Know Who You Are, Flashback, The Missing etc. Unfortunately friction arose between Jourgensen and Cevin Key and there was a massive falling out between the two camps. Key felt like Al was trying to usurp control of Puppy and assimate it into one of his countless Ministry side projects that he dominated unilaterally. Also, Key was very disapproving of the massive drug intake happening in Chicago, which had sucked both Ogre and Goettell in and turned them both into full blown junkies (which no doubt contributed to Dwaynes death a few years later).Plus I believe he had a problem with paying his bandmates their fair due. Ah well. Live fast die hard. these periods of massively concentrated creative genius are never meant to last
Nacht Schreck Dwayne didn't start doing dope until around the time he died he was in the pot camp with key against al and ogre harder drug shit hence hilt,cyberaktiff being recorded while ogre was in the luxa / pan circle
You can never point a finger at anyone for some other person´s drug use . Nobody is sticking a needle in their arm at gun point. I lived in a fucked up neighbourhood as a kid, most my childhood friends are dead cause of junk ( directly/indirectly) , yet, there were always kids ( neighbours, around the same dealers/environment ) who would socialize with us yet completely ignored what we were up to, instead thinking on how to have a DIY gym in someone´s garage and similar projects . You could be with a needle stuck in front of them and they wouldn´t care less ( the odd almost imperceptible expression of contempt at most ,and as friends, the innocent attempt to bring us back to their reality which , over time ,has undoubtedly proven a lot healthier ) .
Saw these guys during the land of rape and honey, totally blew my ears off, they were ringing the next few days. Saw SP too. We went to school with a kid whose parents owned a venue t he at they performed at. I had a picture taken with ogre, the look on his face of he couldn’t have cared less 😂 both of those bands are timeless and pioneers
I was at this show. This is so amazing to see. Dave Ogilvie kicked me in the face when he stage dove during the opening song. I ost my hearing in one ear for three days because of this song. Amazing times. So great.
I bought a different live performance of this song thirty something years ago that’s better still. Though, to me, the Ain’t It Dead Yet? performance is still the best.
had an audio tape of this show and played it until it got eaten.a few years ago i found these videos and it makes it all the better.love that al plays the leads and really plays his guitar.when i had the tape i had no idea it was al soloing.this show rules.
man,i never knew there was footage of this show!!!i used to listen to an audio version of this all the time.amazing!!!i am speechless!finding things like this make the internet all worth while!thanks a million for posting this!!!
Great stuff, love skinny puppy, what a great time we had back in the 80s here in Boston.These bands use to play at the channel. I remember a few of them. I seen most bands but some from inside my car passed out, im sure they were great !!
I was 8 years old at the time of this show. If I had been there, live, I probably would've screamed like a little bitch and put my hands over my ears. Today I would harumph and go back to my 9-5 in the morning. Somewhere in between I was alive.
@goldensolder44 Haha really? GOSH what an amazing coincidence that the lead singer of Skinny Puppy, who was touring with Ministry back 1988, would be singing a song with the same name?! CRAZY!
You can also find a 1989 version in the MINISTRY Box (collection of singles off Rape and Honey, the Mind.. and Psalm 69), but that might be rare too..?
Imho Al jourgensen tried to break skinny puppy up or at least cause some inner turmoil. I think he was threatened somewhat by SP. Ogre said himself in an interview after the rabies albulm came out. He though So had devious intentions. He tried to get Ogre strung out on heroin or at least introduced it to the band. And cevin and Dwayne couldn't be in the studio at the same time as So and Ogre. They didn't tour that year. You can hear the tenseness in rabies. Tin omen is a very Ministry esq.track the very next track is Rain an instrumental with a lot of movie samples. It's my fav SP album. I'm glad they didn't break up we wouldn't have TDP or last Right two masterpieces.
Cevanfx funny I just wrote a long ass post about the same subject (Turmoil between Ministry and Skinny Puppy) and then I read your post going into the same subject. I've also always felt that Rabies was the true successor to Land of Rape and Honey, more than Mind is Terrible and more than it was a successor to VIVISECT VI. Obvious comparisons would be Rodent and You Know What You Are.
saying Jourgensen was threatened by Ogre is pure conjecture. It's ridiculous. Ministry was on a major label, Puppy was on an Independent Canadian label. Jourgensen didn't try to break Skinny Puppy up, he simply became domineering and took over because that's his personality. As far as introducing the band to heroin, that's a laugh. Vancouver is hands down the most heroin infested city in North America, if not the world. Puppy was already doing drugs, especially Ogre. Ogre actually moved to Toronto in 87-88 during the making of VIVISECT VI to get away from the drug scene in Vancouver and get clean. He was already way into drugs. If anything, they got sucked into Ministry's hard partying ways, and started doing MORE drugs than before. Al certainly didn't "INTRODUCE" them to Heroin. That's ridiculous.
Dude, that's also ridiculous. Ministry and Skinny Puppy are apples and oranges, Al Jourgensen and Ogre sound nothing alike. Ministry kicked ass back in the day. So did Puppy. If you were around in the late 80's early 90's, Ministry put on the best show anywhere, hands down.
SO4RRY HAD A BAD LIFE BUT I DIRECT THIS SONG TO THE NEW G....GOOD LUCK...ITS SMOTHERING TO KNOW YOUR GOING TO BE THE FURTURE IF THAT IMPLIES FOR ALL OF US DONT THINK SOOOO..U DONT KNOW U WONT KNOW
ministry fucks this song up so bad. Ogre kills it, not using his typical equipment, but I think the guitar, bass, drums, could've been better. also downtown brown lol
this is just with ministrys current band with him on vocals and trying to play his best on guitar under alot of heroin lol look up the songs from this show
this was that short period in time from 1988-1989 when Ministry and Skinny Puppy were basically one band. Nivek Ogre had moved to Toronto in 1988 and was spending a lot of time in Chicago (VIVISECT VI was actually made by Cevin Key and Dwayne Goettell making the music in Vancouver and sending Digital Tapes to Ogre in Ontario where he would record the vocal tracks and send them back to B.C.). Ogre toured with Ministry in 88 and 89 and contributed to the Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste recording sessions- he was listed as a member of Ministry in various places. Al produced Puppy's Rabies which to me was always more of a successor to Land of Rape and Honey than VIVISECT VI, even moreso than Mind is a Terrible Thing. Tracks like Rodent, Tin Omen, Hexonexxon seemed to be coming from the same place as tracks like You Know Who You Are, Flashback, The Missing etc. Unfortunately friction arose between Jourgensen and Cevin Key and there was a massive falling out between the two camps. Key felt like Al was trying to usurp control of Puppy and assimate it into one of his countless Ministry side projects that he dominated unilaterally. Also, Key was very disapproving of the massive drug intake happening in Chicago, which had sucked both Ogre and Goettell in and turned them both into full blown junkies (which no doubt contributed to Dwaynes death a few years later).Plus I believe he had a problem with paying his bandmates their fair due. Ah well. Live fast die hard. these periods of massively concentrated creative genius are never meant to last
Nacht Schreck Dwayne didn't start doing dope until around the time he died he was in the pot camp with key against al and ogre harder drug shit hence hilt,cyberaktiff being recorded while ogre was in the luxa / pan circle
You can never point a finger at anyone for some other person´s drug use . Nobody is sticking a needle in their arm at gun point. I lived in a fucked up neighbourhood as a kid, most my childhood friends are dead cause of junk ( directly/indirectly) , yet, there were always kids ( neighbours, around the same dealers/environment ) who would socialize with us yet completely ignored what we were up to, instead thinking on how to have a DIY gym in someone´s garage and similar projects .
You could be with a needle stuck in front of them and they wouldn´t care less ( the odd almost imperceptible expression of contempt at most ,and as friends, the innocent attempt to bring us back to their reality which , over time ,has undoubtedly proven a lot healthier ) .
Thx
I never knew that you're great
Does ogre sing any ministry songs?
By FAR the best live (Ministry) version of Smothered Hope I've ever heard... largely because you can actually hear Paul Barker's bass!
Saw these guys during the land of rape and honey, totally blew my ears off, they were ringing the next few days. Saw SP too. We went to school with a kid whose parents owned a venue t he at they performed at. I had a picture taken with ogre, the look on his face of he couldn’t have cared less 😂 both of those bands are timeless and pioneers
I was at this show. This is so amazing to see. Dave Ogilvie kicked me in the face when he stage dove during the opening song. I ost my hearing in one ear for three days because of this song. Amazing times. So great.
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If you ever searched for that perfect song, band, or live performance, well u found it, this is it!
I bought a different live performance of this song thirty something years ago that’s better still. Though, to me, the Ain’t It Dead Yet? performance is still the best.
One of my favorite versions of Smothered Hope for sure
EVERYTHING SO PURE BACK 88 IT WAS SO GREAT!
had an audio tape of this show and played it until it got eaten.a few years ago i found these videos and it makes it all the better.love that al plays the leads and really plays his guitar.when i had the tape i had no idea it was al soloing.this show rules.
I was thinking about all my favorite bands Great collaboration
man,i never knew there was footage of this show!!!i used to listen to an audio version of this all the time.amazing!!!i am speechless!finding things like this make the internet all worth while!thanks a million for posting this!!!
Great stuff, love skinny puppy, what a great time we had back in the 80s here in Boston.These bands use to play at the channel. I remember a few of them. I seen most bands but some from inside my car passed out, im sure they were great !!
Every decade we can all gather around the precise moment when the reanimated corpse of guitar solos started to attract flies...
Best live version. There. I said it
Man this is beyond priceless! Ty! Ty!
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OMG I was 9 years old the first time I've seen this video haven't seen it since now so awesome
This is BRILLIANT.
Absolute fucking legend.
Nice Version of Skinny Puppys' great Track... - thx 4 uploading, so much memories. :)
I was 8 years old at the time of this show. If I had been there, live, I probably would've screamed like a little bitch and put my hands over my ears. Today I would harumph and go back to my 9-5 in the morning. Somewhere in between I was alive.
That drummer is incredibly good.
great synth
Release this on DVD, now!
freaking supreme !!! Al is rock himself
Good times, when industrial and similiar genres music were the state of the art
RARE AND THE BEST
This is the fastest version of this song I've ever heard.
Ikr?!! 🕯️🤘🕯️
were blessed to of known
The Best!
Pretty fucking schweet.
Long live Remission!
if the worlds a hell... what does it matter what happens in it?
saw this tour in ATL @ the masquerade...2nd best show i've ever seen. 2nd to Bad Brains @ the metroplex in 1987. agreed akira625...happier times
@goldensolder44 Haha really? GOSH what an amazing coincidence that the lead singer of Skinny Puppy, who was touring with Ministry back 1988, would be singing a song with the same name?! CRAZY!
thanks for sharing this!
Somebody build a time machine, please. I need to go back and see this shit.
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Al can shred on the guitar!!!
bombastic..........
Brilliant Kev!
the guitarrist solo, have a t-shirt of psychic tv? awesome!
Play at .75x speed for the original
Wow this is the fastest Smothered Hope I've heard... But this version is excellent.
QUE GENIALES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I really appreciate all the important information i been reading
Yes
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You can also find a 1989 version in the MINISTRY Box (collection of singles off Rape and Honey, the Mind.. and Psalm 69), but that might be rare too..?
@MansonNiles11 Yeah. If you dig his drumming check out John Stainer of Helmet. Especially the early stuff.
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al smokez guitar. plus thats same guitar Mcgeoch used in Magazine.
So frikin cool
FU**ING AWESOME
Smothered Hope, "The Pain of Fleeting Joy"... to me this is a running out song...when your "man" says nothing today after all. Or a love song...
Zoltán D ha I feel like a lot of Puppy songs relate to addiction, although I think this was long before they were into dope.
Imho Al jourgensen tried to break skinny puppy up or at least cause some inner turmoil. I think he was threatened somewhat by SP. Ogre said himself in an interview after the rabies albulm came out. He though So had devious intentions. He tried to get Ogre strung out on heroin or at least introduced it to the band. And cevin and Dwayne couldn't be in the studio at the same time as So and Ogre. They didn't tour that year. You can hear the tenseness in rabies. Tin omen is a very Ministry esq.track the very next track is Rain an instrumental with a lot of movie samples. It's my fav SP album. I'm glad they didn't break up we wouldn't have TDP or last Right two masterpieces.
So?
I mean, the person who had "devious intentions", not the word.
Cevanfx funny I just wrote a long ass post about the same subject (Turmoil between Ministry and Skinny Puppy) and then I read your post going into the same subject. I've also always felt that Rabies was the true successor to Land of Rape and Honey, more than Mind is Terrible and more than it was a successor to VIVISECT VI. Obvious comparisons would be Rodent and You Know What You Are.
Cevanfx it's fucking sad. IMHO he wants to fucking BE Ogre. I could never get into Ministry because of this douche.
saying Jourgensen was threatened by Ogre is pure conjecture. It's ridiculous. Ministry was on a major label, Puppy was on an Independent Canadian label. Jourgensen didn't try to break Skinny Puppy up, he simply became domineering and took over because that's his personality. As far as introducing the band to heroin, that's a laugh. Vancouver is hands down the most heroin infested city in North America, if not the world. Puppy was already doing drugs, especially Ogre. Ogre actually moved to Toronto in 87-88 during the making of VIVISECT VI to get away from the drug scene in Vancouver and get clean. He was already way into drugs. If anything, they got sucked into Ministry's hard partying ways, and started doing MORE drugs than before. Al certainly didn't "INTRODUCE" them to Heroin. That's ridiculous.
Dude, that's also ridiculous. Ministry and Skinny Puppy are apples and oranges, Al Jourgensen and Ogre sound nothing alike. Ministry kicked ass back in the day. So did Puppy. If you were around in the late 80's early 90's, Ministry put on the best show anywhere, hands down.
it's my voice ...my voice cries out obscenity
This is objectively awful but subjectively wonderful.
Ohgr Al
Ministry - Smothered Hope - NYC 1988
The last four symbols (in the title) should answer your question.
...which can't be found anywhere! :(
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I never seen ministry live???
holy fucking shit
@bigbadchang Dave Ogilvie, the recording engineer, or are you talking about Kevin Ogilvie aka Ogre?
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@luxonskinjob This is one of my favorite songs. But yeah, for some reason this version just doesn't work for me, either.
What's the phaser/flanger effect in the beginning? Like the piece of gear itself
Nope wrong erik, jon is right, Al on guitar, Ogre on vocals
SO4RRY HAD A BAD LIFE BUT I DIRECT THIS SONG TO THE NEW G....GOOD LUCK...ITS SMOTHERING TO KNOW YOUR GOING TO BE THE FURTURE IF THAT IMPLIES FOR ALL OF US DONT THINK SOOOO..U DONT KNOW U WONT KNOW
ministry fucks this song up so bad. Ogre kills it, not using his typical equipment, but I think the guitar, bass, drums, could've been better. also downtown brown lol
WHERE DID YOU GET THIS VIDEO?
Same here.
Fucking 1980s shit. Turn it down! Tone it down!
The In Case You Didn’t Feel Like Showing Up Live vhs tape.
LOL!
Didn't Skinny Puppy have a song named smothered hope?
Pretty much the song that started it all
This is the most fucked up talent you will ever see in one place at one time.
Who the hell is the drummer? *doesn’t look like Bill Rieflin*
Nick Fietz Jeff Ward, most likely.
NICE! But it dosent soundl ike their Industrial-Rock or Industrial Metal stuff, nice but i prefer original, original IS BEST.
wow...ohgr on guitar???? unbelivebbbble
Its really unbelievable :)
No it’s Al
wait so who the fuck is who in the video
so,,,,dwaine guttel on drums? right?
Its Dwayne. Goettel. DRG if you like.
No this is not the drummer from Skinny Puppy, it's Jeff Ward. Look it up.
this is just with ministrys current band with him on vocals and trying to play his best on guitar under alot of heroin lol look up the songs from this show
and dwayne hardly did drums too often that would be cevin in the early years till they found a permanent drummer
A... Spine?
That's just not right....:D
sell your soul!
skinny puppy's version is better then this rock version
Looks great, sounds awful...good thing I did not step on it. Wipe and Hope, awful.
Uncle Al is singing not Ogre
No
@Kristy Kelly Yeah... that voice is pretty unmistakable, isn't it? Ogre, for sure.
sp version is more better
Sound quality is embarrassing.
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