I think that’s good they make something more affordable for ppl to be able to create with that helps one to feel the nostalgia of what others used before. If you can make the vibes you want I say go for it!
I'm with Roger on this. The samples from the original Linn drums are on the internet and can be loaded into a MPC, Maschine, SP404, or some other modern machine and there you are. Sure, they added functionality over the original but most people who idolize the original can have those sounds on what they already have. I say it's their money and if it brings you joy, go for it. I'm not above that. I have a Kurzweil PC4-7 and Volca FM2. Both can load DX7 patches. At the same time they can make new, unique sounds too so it's not exactly the same. The PC4-7 has other sound engines too so you're not stuck with just the FM engine. The same could said of the Roland Integra 7 and D-05 in my possession. They have alot of reachback in that gear too. Nostalgia sells.
Yes, the Fender Stratocaster is protected by a patent. Leo Fender patented the Stratocaster on April 10, 1956. Fender has also trademarked the headstock design of the Stratocaster, but not the body shape. However, Fender lost a court case in 2009 to trademark the body shape of the Stratocaster, Telecaster, and Precision guitar. The court ruled that the body shape is so common that it's considered generic. Fender decided, long ago, not to pursue legal battles to protect their trademark of the body shape and just focus on trademark violations of their headstock. Actually because of precedents you CAN copy the Fender headstock shape so long as you don't put any labels on the traditional spot where the decal goes
@@michaelpierce3264 i agree totally. If the haters call anything a knockoff, it surely must be software copies. Anyone recreating a 40 year old hardware synth deserves a medal. People are crying out for it!
Honestly this year beringer are doing God's work! The Solina and the LM are top of my list. I smiled when I heard them. They are on the money and the LM is the sound I want.
I'm definitely buying it. I think it sounds great. I already have the RD-8, RD-9 and RD-6 and they sound great. I'm hoping for their RD-78 (Roland CR-78 clone) and their UDX (Oberheim DMX clone) to come out this year.
Happy RD-8 owner here. I’m considering the LM-Drum. The included samples aren’t my vibe, but sampling in true 8-12 bit analog with all those separate outputs and a capable sequencer for $400 is something rare in the market today.
@@donthewatcher8835 I'm aware of the 2400. I'm guessing the BG could do it much cheaper and with probably, more features. I'm not a Behringer fanboy. I am a fan of how they seem to up-engineer their retelling of classics.
@@Charles13X The thought of a Behringer SP-1200 only just occurred to me yesterday. But, it makes SO MUCH SENSE that I can't help but wonder if it's already in development. We can only hope. I can see a potential $599.00 drop price. If that's the case, I'd be pre-order #00.
I think it's cool. Lots of younger producers would never have encountered an original Linn drum machine so for them it's pretty exciting to get a clone of a classic machine. I also agree that it's just fun. I don't like producing music using software, having the machine in front of me is so much more fun and engaging.
I grew up in the 80s as a teenager. people always talked about as the future in terms of synth. no one was looking for sounds of past which is one of the reasons interesting synth innovations came out at that time. For context, that was almost 40 years ago. In my opinion, technology has been stagnant for the last 25 years.
Behringer CEO must be ftom the hood because he loves to bootleg everthing. Im here for it. They recreated the go to Japanese monothonic synth SH-01. And their one is even brighter 😂
He is actually from Switserland, and the Behringer headquarters lies in Willich, just over the Dutch German border, but I see your point historically, lovely bold moves and all. He could also be Frankenstein. He came from Switserland and studied in Germany and resurrected a human being in an act that was unholy. See some parallels to Mary Shelly's story?
@@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 I own both a Roland TB-303 og and a Behringer TD 3, and i must say the og sounds a hell of a lot warmer than the TD-3! Not to mention the sound comparison between the Roland 909 and Behringer RD-9, the 909 og tone is a lot richer and chunkier (the kick and hi hat) than the RD-9. Any real musician with a good ear could pinpoint the sound difference. There’s comparisons videos on here. And Not saying Behringer products are useless. They’re great for musicians on a fixed budget.
@Guitarist888, I agree with you that there are differences in sound, but that isn’t quite what I said. Notice I mentioned “in the mix”. Once any of that kit has been put through effects pedals, compression, and the various other things that 99% of people are adding (DAW or hardware) to make a track and then it’s multitracked along with other sounds the differences disappear. Not to mention that with 808’s and 909’s there are individual variations from one unit to another that can be nearly as significant as the difference between one OG device and a Behringer clone. If you’re planning to send a dry signal with a very minimalist style the differences will show up, otherwise good luck hearing them no matter how adept and experienced your ear is. Appreciate the dialogue with someone that has a reasonable take by the way.
I agree with you 💯 I had a lot of gear back in the day CS80 B3 Profit 600 Mini Moog CP70 D6 clav D50 Korg8000 Roland RE Space Echo and on… and on… We are living in a time of retro gear resurgence cause, like an old muscle car, most can’t afford it. It’s a brave new world so jump on and have fun with all the new possibilities 🤓
@dilliot2k I think that maschine is copied enough by InMusic. Getting the timing of the swing precise is nearly impossible because that swing is also dependent on imperfections that are random. Random is rather hard to do on any digital device, even if the random stems from imperfections in the timing crystals of a processor. And then their is the mythique surrounding it. It is in the Smith with a reason, right. Donald should go see it, when he's not to busy playing golf 😂.
Another spin on your war analogy would be that Behringer is selling you an experience. Everyone already has the sounds but now you get to have the instrument in front of you. (Sort of.) They’re selling you the experience because there’s a market out there with customers who believe it’s worth the money even if they have the sounds on their hard drive. Lots of people actually buy things for how it looks in the studio. (Crazy as that sounds.) As far as Roger Linn, he doesn’t really like reiterations of things that he feels are already complete. He didn’t even want the MPC 60 II but eventually gave in. Great video and perspective. It’s a debate where I can see both sides of it.
Roger Linn believes in creating new ways of creating music.He would not believe in improving any item which he thought had been maximally developed.I agree with you with the guitar analogy .I think what is important is that the simple drum machine as developed in the eighties represented a comfortable way of producing and creating music.For a long time I thought that someone should create a modern drum machine (with sampling/new sounds/ and midi) with a eighties interface large enough be comfortable to use especially when your vision is not the same as in your twenties. This is a wonderful and refreshing analysis and presentation .Thumbs up.Give the people what they want.Looking forward to the DMX clone as well.
Yes, lots of people are upset that Behringer is stealing, sorry, the Linn drum is 40 years old and Roger doesn't want to build a successor or replica, well then Behringer will do it and I'm grateful for that (there are plug-ins and Linn drum samples on the internet anyway, so why shouldn't Behringer build new hardware? I would have liked the individual outputs to be smaller and to have an SD card slot and a bit more memory, but OK, I'm happy that they're available again at all. Big thanks to Ulli Behringer & Team
That is exactly the point: Of course »we« could have »When Doves Cry« without the machine because »we« just need to listen to this song on any streaming service, »we« can buy a CD or Vinyl or even a DVD. Prince couldn't have this song without the »LM-1« at that point in time. We of course could do songs without the Linn-originals. We just need the sounds as samples and put them in any sample-playing device. For example (just out of my head): any Akai »MPC«, most Elektron-devices (»Octatrack«, »Digitakt (II)«), NIs »Maschine«, Abletons »Push Standalone«, and so on. You can even put the sounds into software-samplers or directly on the tracks of your DAW. Hell ... if you want to make music (!) you have hundreds of options. A Behringer »LM Drum« is totally useless. If you just want to have fun ... yes go ahaead. But that's the difference: Prince just used what was available at that time. He wasn't caught into some fancy nerd retro machine dream. He wanted to make music.
Roger Linn is a nice guy who has literary help create and evolve whole genres of music. His contribution to music in general is invaluable. But he said his piece. He didn’t say yes to Behringer. He didn’t say no to Behringer. Behringer at least reached out to Linn. So all the Behringer haters should get to say their piece, but I chose to neither hate or love a company. I just chose to either use their products or not to. There are no angels or saints when it comes to a company’s bottom line.
There just mad they did not reissue it. I’m with behringer they also are mad because they are making companies like Roland Yamaha korg that hey you can make good instruments for cheap.
I think it’s coo. Would love to get one… but the fact I know I don’t need to buy more new shit… I’m using the ‘ethical’ part of the debate to convince myself not to buy it. But I WILL watch every beatmaking video that comes out with it.
The magix of the 808 lies in the transistors, which were actually out of spec. So Behringer had a challenge making the 808 clone. With the Linn, not so much. Shippssss, eh nope, excepts preorders, available in a few month.....Xi Jinping has to give his approval first I guess 😂.
It should. The samples are directly from a Linndrum that was owned by Tears for Fears, and the photo of it in its flight case from the auction showed that it had some extra EPROMs tucked away (no idea what was on them though).
Dude! What have got against the apostrophe? What's next? - the apostrophe denotes the missing "i", as in What is next? Please update your video thumbnail :)
Initially I was more inclined to agree with Roger Linn's take.. it's not exactly ethical to blatantly copy someone else's design without permission. I stand by that. But hearing your thoughts on the ethics debate has me ceding that.. yes. It is absolutely a positive to be able to have *similar* products in more affordable price ranges as long as copyright doesn't become an issue. Since you despise tiny knobs you might hate me for this 😂 but I think more companies need to follow Roland's example with the AIRA Compact Series. Here's Roland making compact, portable, inexpensive, feature-limited "lite" versions of products like the TR8S, SP404, SH-101A, etc. That's cool. We need more budget-friendly tiny-box massive sound generators direct from the originators rather than waiting for Behringer to clone everything 😂
I don't care about the Linn sounds but i want a sampling drum machine without the terrible workflow and one line display of the TR8s. Essential release.
Most musicians will never be able to afford these types of vintage devices. People use the shapes of guitars for their own purposes. People use the circuits of guitar pedals and make clones. None of this matters. Linn is a genius and I respect him but he is doing fine financially. He is not destitute. At the end of the day, more musicians will make more music and that is all I care about
I am glad behringer exists. I couldn't afford a original drum machine with a sampler otherwise.competition makes others strive to be better.Elektron?? T E??? OVER priced hardware...
Didn't understand the purpose of it? He developed it, produced all the sounds, this is a KNOCK OFF for which the original creator was not paid a penny - I think he was pretty polite, he could have sued them and probably won.
Nah. If Roland cant get them, Linn certainly cant. Linn said himself he had no intrest in the old stuff, even though that's what people really wanted. Nothing stopping anyone from loading original LM drum samples into a DAW. I'll say I was never a fan of Behringer. I do not own a single piece of their gear. What I don't like is when they copy existing competitor products which do eat into sales like Moog, Oberheim, or Sequential. Again, Linn made it clear we wouldn't be getting a similar offering from him, so what is the next option? He could have easily made this and chose not to.
Actually TE just did that (or better tried to do that) with a hilarious video with which AudioPilz (Bad Gear) took the mickey on the medieval KO 133 mk2. Allthough the knights of Ni could still retaliate!
I think it’s wrong Dillo, how do you not compensate the original inventor ? It’s his intellectual property! Do I have it wrong? How do companies like Behringher get away with this?
Alot of companies use each other sounds. I know yamaha's with 808 sounds. I can't say I know how they get away with it, but it's been a grey area for a minute.
I don't understand why companies like Moog and Sequential keep copying Behringer designs... I mean Roger Linn should come up with something original the Linn drum looks exactly like an LM Drum!
Behringer is fun and exciting because they are affordable and creative. I wanted the Moog Muse, but it costs $3,499. That is outrageous and uninspiring.
@ Explain to me what exactly makes it worth that price and what can it do that others can’t? Behringer is better because it’s reasonable and affordable.. You have a biased opinion while I’m stating facts. I have an expensive Nuemann, if a person can sing, and the other knows how to mix, the price of my Mic means nothing to talent. Your explanation justifying that outrageous price is illogical and that’s why Behringer is winning.
Taking advantage of chinese labour and lack of human rights isn't "fun". Major companies like Behringer fleeing Europe to outsource in the east isn't "fun". Our actions have consequences...
@@DanteWilliams728 "Behringer is better because it’s reasonable and affordable.." Behringer is actually way worse because it makes people like you believe their prices are "normal" while those of a company who doesn't outsource in the east and pay and treat their employees decently are "unrealistically expensive".
@ Many companies treat their employees poorly, and I’m sure Moog is no exception while you’re just speaking from nothing apart from the facts that Behringer is affordable. If Moog and other companies, and people like you want to complain, maybe they should make their products affordable instead of being a greedy company manufacturing an expensive keyboard that doesn’t stay in tune when the weather change. $3,499?!? You that slow?
hey my brother I'm mark boogie brown og I think u are dope u r a genius and thank god for ur humble human nature I had all those toys me and Larry smith Roger trout man Dennis bell etc so my kick is i watch the day of 8 tracks players with the big tape force us to wait cause there no rewind my brother and I would really make this a short story u really still have to money to have the real thing beat boxes and keyboards still cost so all the samples and online plugins are cool its a selling bluff berhringer is the no frills version a dream synth and expensive linn or a 1200 can't be duplicated its no frills plus its a crazy waste of time we invested back in the days in the big machines cause they were built for the garden the stadium you don't realize there was one drum set on stage and we all have a billion kicks and snares and still think it make sense to buy more why ur ear know ur brain don't don't keep buying what u got all ready its a flashy lie like the sell phone if u are a dope keyboard player then how many keyboards u need every month I got 40 guitars and only play one today its crazy I see people with a hundred keyboards in there studio and they all workstations what the point go Roger Linn is a good friend of mind he said he confuse that why he got out game to many gadgets munipulating everyone and we are purchasing the same thing over and over he said were collecting pototpyes of stuff we can't afford don't be fool thats the old classic stuff still cost so much and the price will go up cause everything is coming back peace brother dillio 2k
I think that’s good they make something more affordable for ppl to be able to create with that helps one to feel the nostalgia of what others used before. If you can make the vibes you want I say go for it!
I'm with Roger on this. The samples from the original Linn drums are on the internet and can be loaded into a MPC, Maschine, SP404, or some other modern machine and there you are. Sure, they added functionality over the original but most people who idolize the original can have those sounds on what they already have.
I say it's their money and if it brings you joy, go for it. I'm not above that. I have a Kurzweil PC4-7 and Volca FM2. Both can load DX7 patches. At the same time they can make new, unique sounds too so it's not exactly the same. The PC4-7 has other sound engines too so you're not stuck with just the FM engine. The same could said of the Roland Integra 7 and D-05 in my possession. They have alot of reachback in that gear too.
Nostalgia sells.
Nostalgia always sells. This is what Roger does not understand.
I just watch the demo and the features and samples are very similar, for 399 it's a steal.
Ooooh that’s dope that the greats used it! That’s a high price.
They cost $399
Yes, the Fender Stratocaster is protected by a patent. Leo Fender patented the Stratocaster on April 10, 1956. Fender has also trademarked the headstock design of the Stratocaster, but not the body shape. However, Fender lost a court case in 2009 to trademark the body shape of the Stratocaster, Telecaster, and Precision guitar. The court ruled that the body shape is so common that it's considered generic.
Fender decided, long ago, not to pursue legal battles to protect their trademark of the body shape and just focus on trademark violations of their headstock. Actually because of precedents you CAN copy the Fender headstock shape so long as you don't put any labels on the traditional spot where the decal goes
That is interesting. I didn't know that part
why is it ok to make a software version but not a hardware version?
Right!!!
@@michaelpierce3264 not only that another company did a hardware clone for like 6k lol
@@michaelpierce3264 i agree totally. If the haters call anything a knockoff, it surely must be software copies. Anyone recreating a 40 year old hardware synth deserves a medal. People are crying out for it!
@@neplusultra4196Roger signed off on that one.
Good video. I agree with you. Just have fun and create. 💯🙏🏾🎵🎶🤘🏾
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Honestly this year beringer are doing God's work! The Solina and the LM are top of my list. I smiled when I heard them. They are on the money and the LM is the sound I want.
Though shall not clone stuff made in Bodegraven 😂.
@artisans8521 😆
I'm definitely buying it. I think it sounds great. I already have the RD-8, RD-9 and RD-6 and they sound great. I'm hoping for their RD-78 (Roland CR-78 clone) and their UDX (Oberheim DMX clone) to come out this year.
Happy RD-8 owner here. I’m considering the LM-Drum. The included samples aren’t my vibe, but sampling in true 8-12 bit analog with all those separate outputs and a capable sequencer for $400 is something rare in the market today.
Behringer needs to go all in and do a clone of the emu sp1200. I'd pay real money for that just to see how far they got.
there is a SP 1200 clone called the 2400 drum machine saw and played it at namm 2023,
@@donthewatcher8835 the Isla is nothing to Do with the SP
@@donthewatcher8835 I'm aware of the 2400. I'm guessing the BG could do it much cheaper and with probably, more features. I'm not a Behringer fanboy. I am a fan of how they seem to up-engineer their retelling of classics.
@@Charles13X The thought of a Behringer SP-1200 only just occurred to me yesterday. But, it makes SO MUCH SENSE that I can't help but wonder if it's already in development. We can only hope. I can see a potential $599.00 drop price. If that's the case, I'd be pre-order #00.
@@Charles13X How about, S(B)-1200?
Uhhh, they haven't shipped em yet. Sweetwater saying wait of at least 6 months dude.
I think it's cool. Lots of younger producers would never have encountered an original Linn drum machine so for them it's pretty exciting to get a clone of a classic machine. I also agree that it's just fun. I don't like producing music using software, having the machine in front of me is so much more fun and engaging.
I grew up in the 80s as a teenager. people always talked about as the future in terms of synth. no one was looking for sounds of past which is one of the reasons interesting synth innovations came out at that time. For context, that was almost 40 years ago. In my opinion, technology has been stagnant for the last 25 years.
I doubt there are many drummers crying a river for Roger Linn. Long live Behringer!
Behringer CEO must be ftom the hood because he loves to bootleg everthing. Im here for it. They recreated the go to Japanese monothonic synth SH-01. And their one is even brighter 😂
He is actually from Switserland, and the Behringer headquarters lies in Willich, just over the Dutch German border, but I see your point historically, lovely bold moves and all. He could also be Frankenstein. He came from Switserland and studied in Germany and resurrected a human being in an act that was unholy. See some parallels to Mary Shelly's story?
@@sgt3009 Not to mention their knock offs sound less warmer than their counterpart.
@Guitarist888, Take the “Pepsi Challenge” on your claim. I’ll take all bets against your ability to tell the difference in the mix on any track.
@@brawndothethirstmutilator9848 I own both a Roland TB-303 og and a Behringer TD 3, and i must say the og sounds a hell of a lot warmer than the TD-3! Not to mention the sound comparison between the Roland 909 and Behringer RD-9, the 909 og tone is a lot richer and chunkier (the kick and hi hat) than the RD-9. Any real musician with a good ear could pinpoint the sound difference. There’s comparisons videos on here. And Not saying Behringer products are useless. They’re great for musicians on a fixed budget.
@Guitarist888, I agree with you that there are differences in sound, but that isn’t quite what I said. Notice I mentioned “in the mix”. Once any of that kit has been put through effects pedals, compression, and the various other things that 99% of people are adding (DAW or hardware) to make a track and then it’s multitracked along with other sounds the differences disappear. Not to mention that with 808’s and 909’s there are individual variations from one unit to another that can be nearly as significant as the difference between one OG device and a Behringer clone.
If you’re planning to send a dry signal with a very minimalist style the differences will show up, otherwise good luck hearing them no matter how adept and experienced your ear is. Appreciate the dialogue with someone that has a reasonable take by the way.
I myself will be getting my Larry Smith on with the LM Drum.
I agree with you 💯 I had a lot of gear back in the day CS80 B3 Profit 600 Mini Moog CP70 D6 clav D50 Korg8000 Roland RE Space Echo and on… and on… We are living in a time of retro gear resurgence cause, like an old muscle car, most can’t afford it. It’s a brave new world so jump on and have fun with all the new possibilities 🤓
BPC 3000
We need
That would drop my jaw
@dilliot2k I think that maschine is copied enough by InMusic. Getting the timing of the swing precise is nearly impossible because that swing is also dependent on imperfections that are random. Random is rather hard to do on any digital device, even if the random stems from imperfections in the timing crystals of a processor. And then their is the mythique surrounding it. It is in the Smith with a reason, right. Donald should go see it, when he's not to busy playing golf 😂.
Another spin on your war analogy would be that Behringer is selling you an experience. Everyone already has the sounds but now you get to have the instrument in front of you. (Sort of.) They’re selling you the experience because there’s a market out there with customers who believe it’s worth the money even if they have the sounds on their hard drive. Lots of people actually buy things for how it looks in the studio. (Crazy as that sounds.)
As far as Roger Linn, he doesn’t really like reiterations of things that he feels are already complete. He didn’t even want the MPC 60 II but eventually gave in.
Great video and perspective. It’s a debate where I can see both sides of it.
Can’t wait for this and plus the BSP1200!!!!!!!!!!
Roger Linn believes in creating new ways of creating music.He would not believe in improving any item which he thought had been maximally developed.I agree with you with the guitar analogy .I think what is important is that the simple drum machine as developed in the eighties represented a comfortable way of producing and creating music.For a long time I thought that someone should create a modern drum machine (with sampling/new sounds/ and midi) with a eighties interface large enough be comfortable to use especially when your vision is not the same as in your twenties.
This is a wonderful and refreshing analysis and presentation .Thumbs up.Give the people what they want.Looking forward to the DMX clone as well.
I already ordered mines
Definitely, form factor and fun!
Yes, lots of people are upset that Behringer is stealing, sorry, the Linn drum is 40 years old and Roger doesn't want to build a successor or replica, well then Behringer will do it and I'm grateful for that (there are plug-ins and Linn drum samples on the internet anyway, so why shouldn't Behringer build new hardware? I would have liked the individual outputs to be smaller and to have an SD card slot and a bit more memory, but OK, I'm happy that they're available again at all.
Big thanks to Ulli Behringer & Team
You couldn't have When Doves cry without this machine. Facts.
That is exactly the point: Of course »we« could have »When Doves Cry« without the machine because »we« just need to listen to this song on any streaming service, »we« can buy a CD or Vinyl or even a DVD. Prince couldn't have this song without the »LM-1« at that point in time.
We of course could do songs without the Linn-originals. We just need the sounds as samples and put them in any sample-playing device. For example (just out of my head): any Akai »MPC«, most Elektron-devices (»Octatrack«, »Digitakt (II)«), NIs »Maschine«, Abletons »Push Standalone«, and so on. You can even put the sounds into software-samplers or directly on the tracks of your DAW. Hell ... if you want to make music (!) you have hundreds of options. A Behringer »LM Drum« is totally useless.
If you just want to have fun ... yes go ahaead. But that's the difference: Prince just used what was available at that time. He wasn't caught into some fancy nerd retro machine dream. He wanted to make music.
Roger Linn is a nice guy who has literary help create and evolve whole genres of music. His contribution to music in general is invaluable. But he said his piece. He didn’t say yes to Behringer. He didn’t say no to Behringer. Behringer at least reached out to Linn. So all the Behringer haters should get to say their piece, but I chose to neither hate or love a company. I just chose to either use their products or not to. There are no angels or saints when it comes to a company’s bottom line.
I’m waiting on them to put out the sp 1200
+10 for proper usage of the word 'regalia'
-10 for using ethnicity instead of ethics 😄
There just mad they did not reissue it. I’m with behringer they also are mad because they are making companies like Roland Yamaha korg that hey you can make good instruments for cheap.
Well guitar companies do have legal battles over some models much like hardware companies but of course fender and gibson wear the crown.
What the dillio!?
You didn't even demo or let us hear it
I think it’s coo. Would love to get one… but the fact I know I don’t need to buy more new shit… I’m using the ‘ethical’ part of the debate to convince myself not to buy it. But I WILL watch every beatmaking video that comes out with it.
The magix of the 808 lies in the transistors, which were actually out of spec. So Behringer had a challenge making the 808 clone. With the Linn, not so much. Shippssss, eh nope, excepts preorders, available in a few month.....Xi Jinping has to give his approval first I guess 😂.
Din Sync make exact replicas of the 808, 909, & 303.
It sounds the same from what I hear
So does my HR16 with the right eproms 😂.
It should. The samples are directly from a Linndrum that was owned by Tears for Fears, and the photo of it in its flight case from the auction showed that it had some extra EPROMs tucked away (no idea what was on them though).
Dude! What have got against the apostrophe? What's next? - the apostrophe denotes the missing "i", as in What is next? Please update your video thumbnail :)
I have got?
Initially I was more inclined to agree with Roger Linn's take.. it's not exactly ethical to blatantly copy someone else's design without permission.
I stand by that.
But hearing your thoughts on the ethics debate has me ceding that.. yes. It is absolutely a positive to be able to have *similar* products in more affordable price ranges as long as copyright doesn't become an issue.
Since you despise tiny knobs you might hate me for this 😂 but I think more companies need to follow Roland's example with the AIRA Compact Series. Here's Roland making compact, portable, inexpensive, feature-limited "lite" versions of products like the TR8S, SP404, SH-101A, etc.
That's cool. We need more budget-friendly tiny-box massive sound generators direct from the originators rather than waiting for Behringer to clone everything 😂
I don't care about the Linn sounds but i want a sampling drum machine without the terrible workflow and one line display of the TR8s. Essential release.
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Most musicians will never be able to afford these types of vintage devices. People use the shapes of guitars for their own purposes. People use the circuits of guitar pedals and make clones. None of this matters. Linn is a genius and I respect him but he is doing fine financially. He is not destitute. At the end of the day, more musicians will make more music and that is all I care about
Let's question the ''ethnicity'' of the LMdrum.
Cultural appropriation???
I am glad behringer exists. I couldn't afford a original drum machine with a sampler otherwise.competition makes others strive to be better.Elektron?? T E??? OVER priced hardware...
Of course. It's not like the Model:Samples already existed...smh
Didn't understand the purpose of it? He developed it, produced all the sounds, this is a KNOCK OFF for which the original creator was not paid a penny - I think he was pretty polite, he could have sued them and probably won.
Nah. If Roland cant get them, Linn certainly cant. Linn said himself he had no intrest in the old stuff, even though that's what people really wanted. Nothing stopping anyone from loading original LM drum samples into a DAW. I'll say I was never a fan of Behringer. I do not own a single piece of their gear. What I don't like is when they copy existing competitor products which do eat into sales like Moog, Oberheim, or Sequential. Again, Linn made it clear we wouldn't be getting a similar offering from him, so what is the next option? He could have easily made this and chose not to.
Actually TE just did that (or better tried to do that) with a hilarious video with which AudioPilz (Bad Gear) took the mickey on the medieval KO 133 mk2. Allthough the knights of Ni could still retaliate!
The patents ran out.
regalia
I think it’s wrong Dillo, how do you not compensate the original inventor ? It’s his intellectual property! Do I have it wrong? How do companies like Behringher get away with this?
Patents only last roughly 25 years, then it's free game....
Alot of companies use each other sounds. I know yamaha's with 808 sounds. I can't say I know how they get away with it, but it's been a grey area for a minute.
I don't understand why companies like Moog and Sequential keep copying Behringer designs... I mean Roger Linn should come up with something original the Linn drum looks exactly like an LM Drum!
Behringer is fun and exciting because they are affordable and creative. I wanted the Moog Muse, but it costs $3,499. That is outrageous and uninspiring.
It’s not outrageous. A synth like that would have cost $8,000 in 1982 once adjusted for inflation.
@ Explain to me what exactly makes it worth that price and what can it do that others can’t? Behringer is better because it’s reasonable and affordable.. You have a biased opinion while I’m stating facts. I have an expensive Nuemann, if a person can sing, and the other knows how to mix, the price of my Mic means nothing to talent. Your explanation justifying that outrageous price is illogical and that’s why Behringer is winning.
Taking advantage of chinese labour and lack of human rights isn't "fun". Major companies like Behringer fleeing Europe to outsource in the east isn't "fun". Our actions have consequences...
@@DanteWilliams728 "Behringer is better because it’s reasonable and affordable.." Behringer is actually way worse because it makes people like you believe their prices are "normal" while those of a company who doesn't outsource in the east and pay and treat their employees decently are "unrealistically expensive".
@ Many companies treat their employees poorly, and I’m sure Moog is no exception while you’re just speaking from nothing apart from the facts that Behringer is affordable. If Moog and other companies, and people like you want to complain, maybe they should make their products affordable instead of being a greedy company manufacturing an expensive keyboard that doesn’t stay in tune when the weather change. $3,499?!? You that slow?
hey my brother I'm mark boogie brown og I think u are dope u r a genius and thank god for ur humble human nature I had all those toys me and Larry smith Roger trout man Dennis bell etc so my kick is i watch the day of 8 tracks players with the big tape force us to wait cause there no rewind my brother and I would really make this a short story u really still have to money to have the real thing beat boxes and keyboards still cost so all the samples and online plugins are cool its a selling bluff berhringer is the no frills version a dream synth and expensive linn or a 1200 can't be duplicated its no frills plus its a crazy waste of time we invested back in the days in the big machines cause they were built for the garden the stadium you don't realize there was one drum set on stage and we all have a billion kicks and snares and still think it make sense to buy more why ur ear know ur brain don't don't keep buying what u got all ready its a flashy lie like the sell phone if u are a dope keyboard player then how many keyboards u need every month I got 40 guitars and only play one today its crazy I see people with a hundred keyboards in there studio and they all workstations what the point go Roger Linn is a good friend of mind he said he confuse that why he got out game to many gadgets munipulating everyone and we are purchasing the same thing over and over he said were collecting pototpyes of stuff we can't afford don't be fool thats the old classic stuff still cost so much and the price will go up cause everything is coming back peace brother dillio 2k
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