StarForce was actually my first exposure to Megaman, and watching the anime on Toonami Jetstream was how I found out about the games. I had a great time with the games, even 2, and especially 3, and I would definitely be down for a legacy collection.
That is literally the same as my initial exposure to the series I watched it on Jetstream (RIP) and became obsessed, I remember all of the trailers were of just the battling and nothing else so I was wondering what the rest of the game was like, I had never played Battle Network, so I didn't know but I was hooked. I'm replaying the DX patch on my new 2DS XL and its the way to play the original. I hope they bring those quality of life features to the Collection I'm hoping comes out soon. 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞
As someone who still takes part in the competitive starforce scene, YES this game deserves way more love and attention, the combat is so much fun and fast paced. There are so many good things about this game.
So cool to know someone who is into competitive Star Force! I would love to know more about its competitive side, what games do you usually play and what are the means you use to connect with the Nintendo Wi-Fi down, do you guys use wiimf or another workaround?
@@inktendo We almost always play Starforce 3 Japense Version because it's the "most balanced" out of all the games in the franchise, also the most fun. A tournament just finished a week and a half ago and you can see some of the matches in my channel, along with a lot of other past matches I've had before, so feel free to check it out if you are interested! With melonds 1.0 getting a release soon, we'll also be able to play Megaman SFDX which is a rework of the original Megaman Starforce and the pvp for it looks like a lot of fun. Also Megaman Starforce 3 is getting a software called "Wingblade" which is being created by Sigma and this software basically gives Starforce 3 rollback, just like Tango did for Battle Network, we hope to also get the other titles done in the future too. For now, we are using MelonDS to play matches but with Wingblade hopefully coming out this year, we'll be moving to that. I posted a comment before but for some reason it wasn't posted, sorry for the late reply.
@@CapybaraEnjoyer123 Oh, thank you so much for the reply! That's super interesting, I never knew any of that. I will take a look at the videos on your channel for sure! I would have never thought the japanese version was the most balanced version. Why is that?
@@inktendo Because it has the Noise Kaizou Gear which gives you more abilities. They are like modcards from Battle Network. For example, instead of having to use warrior soul for super armor or having taurus as your main noise, you can get it in your NKG, you can get different charge shots, card heal, extra HP, bodies, etc. Which makes it more fair for everyone compared to the US version which cut that out. You can easily find the noise card list online to see all the things you can do with them, the effects also work like poker hands, so a full house gives you an extra benefit on top of all the noise cards, etc.
@@CapybaraEnjoyer123 that's super interesting! How did I not know that about this game? Hopefully they can reimplement this in the Star Force collection
Also can we talk about just how raw Geo's Megaman design is? His visor especially in darker setting really give him this sense of edge and made him standout from the rest of his counterparts yet still recognizable as Megaman. My absolute favorite out of all of them.
@@inktendo When They Make The Collection,They Better Add A Title Screen Code That Summons Acid Ace Badass Black And Dread Joker Real Red To Alohaha Beach On Either Side Of Bob Copper In Star Force 3!These 2 Bosses Were Only Fightable On The Wifi Network,Previously!Heart This Comment If You Agree!
Oh man, I would ABSOLUTELY LOVE to be able to play Starforce 4! They were planning on having Geo meet Lan's descendant; how cool would that have been???
On the subject of Gameplay, Star Force is a lot more reaction and action focused, whereas BN is more about setplay and strategy BN has a bunch more depth by comparison, but the sheer adrenaline of comboing counter-hits in StarForce to then get more chips and keep the stunlock going with proper timing feels a lot more rewarding than FullSynchro in BN if you ask me
yeah, I like the combo potential of SF than I do with BN. like i think i played the trilogy more times than i count playing BN. Combo bashing is just so FUN
Star Force was the first series that I bought with my own money and I fell in love with it almost instantly. While I do agree that 2 is weakest of the three it isn't that bad (it's definitely still more enjoyable than Battle Network 4)
I love these games! They may seem more detached from the other Mega Man games, but that just makes them the most creative. Plus, I'd argue that Legends is just as different if not more so (seeing as it doesn't even share gameplay elements with other Mega Man titles). That said, StarForce does have an enemy type (Met) that is included in every other Mega Man series, so that's another connection aside from the name. I would say that the battle system of StarForce, limited as it is, forces you to think defensively and focus on timing your attacks. Sure, it's not as complicated as Battle Network, but that just makes you strategize in a different way. Plus, the 3D battles look and feel awesome. I totally understand what you mean about StarForce 2's plot. I also thought it was lackluster at first, but after playing it multiple times, it eventually grew on me. Plus, Rogue is an awesome character, and the OOPArts were a ton of fun to use! Lastly, let's look at the facts: We've had Legacy Collections for all of the traditional Mega Man platformers. After that, it was anyone's guess whether or not they'd go on to the RPGs, but they did! In my opinion, the Battle Network Legacy Collection's mere existence seems to hint that Capcom plans to go all the way! Next would obviously be StarForce (because they'd follow one RPG with another), then would come Legends. I think this is a strategic play to both introduce new fans to the entire Mega Man franchise and keep Mega Man fans appeased while they work on the new Mega Man game that's supposedly in development. After all the series have their own collections, then they'll probably start revealing things for the new game. I see a bright future for Mega Man!
Your pfp clearly shows your love for the series! I totally agree with you, being a little detached from MegaMan helps the team behind these games unleash their creativity! I went a little too hard on Star Force 2 on the video, it is not a bad game at all but there is no denying it is a little bit lesser than the other two. And here we are hoping that Capcom announces the Star Force collection we all deserve next year!
@@inktendo Honestly I think if they made a Ryuusei no Rockman Legacy Collection it would be set up with RnRM: Leo/Pegasus/Dragon, RnRM2: Zerker/Saurian/Shinobi, and RnRM3: Black Ace/Red Joker. The auto Brother Band from 2 would let you choose between either of the other two versions.
Have feeling it's going to be legends. The producer from the mega man franchise had said he likes to read fans' comments and stated that there's high request for bn and legends and there will be something for both.
I recently revisited this serie and did a marathon of the trilogy. I'm so glad that they managed to give this a proper ending. shame that the anime didn't get a 3rd season to cover Ace/Joker. But I really enjoyed playing though it again. fell in love with it all over again. it felt like I had moments where Star force was even BETTER then battle network. But that's probably because Starforce is more story related
That's exactly what happened to me! I loved this series and fell in love with it all over again. Battle Network was iconic in its own right, but I honestly think Star Force is a better story than all of the Battle Network
@@inktendo it also helped a lot that it was a shorter experience having only 3 games that had a solid story to tell. if anything then you could probably argue that SF 2 was the filler content of the series. instead of BN having 3 filler games being BN 3-4 and 5
The collection will happen, but in a couple of years, probably 3 years after the BN collection. Similar to how much time between the zero/ZX to BN. For the StarForce collection we can have all versions of the 1st game and both of 2 and 3. So a total of 7 games, PLUS the Operation Shooting star crossover of BN. For that game we can have a bonus, say if you own the BN Collection, when you play the crossover game, you get special battle chips or bonus boss fights
I think the BN collection would've been out sooner had it not been for the pandemic, so I'd say we'll see trailers next year and have a release in 2025 for StarForce.
I think the battle system, while not as deep or wide, has some uniquely cool aspects to it, that you can only forwardly dodge with MegaAttack, or AreaEater in 3 being a different take on AreaSteal. The shield as a basic move, the wait to charge, hold to rapid fire, I always felt the grid of BN meant it wound up feeling a little sticky when you needed to go diagonal but SF being 3 panels doesn't have this. And I really like the models and the enemy movesets. MoonDestroyer, DarkPhantom, Rogue and especially his phase 2 in SF2, and Diamond Ice come to mind. The entire Diamond Ice part of 3 was brilliant, just wish freezing in her stage did damage to you. And the locales more than BN's, yes, even 2's locales. Bit more cultural sensitivity could've been nice, mind... Course, I haven't played most BNs, the ones I have not in a long while, gonna get the collection, just when it's cheaper and I'm a little richer.
Whoa, I absolutely agree with everything you said! I still prefer the BN combat because you have a little more freedom, but the creative ways the team behind SF managed to make combat interesting on its limitations is amazing! I didn't comment that in the video but I think the combat kinda reflects Geo's personality a bit, as he is not as keen to jump into the fight as MegaMan.EXE and Lan, taking a more defensive approach.
i enjoy the star force battle system way more than bn, even if you can't move forward or back, you can still lock on attack enemies so you don't have to wait if you only have a sword
Starforce 2 is the first Megaman-related game I have ever played. I was instantly captivated. I played it from start to finish, non-stop. It was a magical adventure and filled with heartfelt story. It makes me cries at the credit and Sonia became the number 1 waifu of all time. On retrospective, it is actually more surprising to me that most people don't like Starforce 2. I have known Megaman franchise from BN anime showing in TV, but it didn't click with me. Which is kind of weird, since BN is more well-loved. The only reason I can possibly think of must be that Geo the protagonist being relatable to me and the series appeared at the right time in my teenage period. I truly hope we can get a legacy collection version, so that I can buy legal version of the series.
From a story perspective, Star Force is miles, even kilometers, better than Battle Network. Characters are more developed and deep, with meaningful arcs. I guess for most people 2 is just the weakest in that regard. Despite that I find myself replaying the BN games a lot more frequently because the battle mechanics are more engaging in my opinion. But I love Star Force and I wish everyday for a Legacy Collection. It is so nice getting to know all those shared memories we have with the series
While yes the second game isn’t the best, since it introduced solo, it’s kinda necessary despite that, yes I like him more in 3 (those post game sequences with him are amazing) but he still needs to be introduced cause he does kinda come out of nowhere otherwise, and he’s this series bass, he kinda needs to be around and introduced properly since he’s a full part of the story
9:38 His name is Clock Genius. He was a fan design submitted as ClockMan exe (no relation to the Clock Men from Rockman & Forte: Challenger from the Future, which Capcom apparently wants everyone to forget about considering Archie Comics wasn't allowed to use anything from it when they were making the Mega Man comic, though Compass Man somehow made it into Worlds Collide)
10:04 Geo and exe technically made a cameo in the Short Circuits skit of Archie Mega Man #55 but Viz somehow still holds the rights to the mangas for them so they were just silhouettes.
I actually really liked the 2nd games though. I thought they polished up the gameplay a lot more in 2, along with the cool fusion forms. Plus, filler isn't automatically a bad thing. It all depends on what's done in the filler that matters, at least to me personally.
I would sell my Soul for a Starforce Collection. Together with Pokemon i played this Games for hours. I have 100% on MMST Pegasus, MMST Ninja and MMST Black Ace. I feel bad that we never got the 4th Part in Europe. Such an underrated Game Series.
1:50 I mean Star Force does keep the iconic met enemies (which confusingly have the same name as Battle Network in spite of having a slightly different design from usual) and one could say there's a few loose references like how the naming scheme is similar to the MMX subfranchise except backwards, Gemini Spark to Gemini Man, General Aguilera to General from X4, Apollo Flame to Apollo from Rockman Strategy, the FMians to the the other bosses in Rockman Strategy (Luna obviously notwithstanding and there's a handful of zodiac constellations that Star Force didn't use, including my sign, Sagittarius. Sadge) and Le Mu to Super Adventure Rockman's Ra Moon (as both their names are a reference to the supposed king of Mu).
@@inktendo it's like searching for a shark 🦈 within these types of games nowadays it's like butter on my biscuit with the most expensive taste in the world.
One thing that definitely should be changed is the encounter rate in star force 2 , if they do that it would definitely be a much better experience for newcomers playing the series, since sf2 is notorious for having way too many encounters.
They're called Battle Cards in Star Force. I mean, they are pretty much the same thing, but still. There were actually plans to make a Star Force 4, but it got canceled. There's a petition out there to start it back up, though. The fact they're DS games is no big deal. They can do the same thing they did for the Mega Man Zero/ZX Collection (The ZX series is also a DS series).
That's true, Battle Chips are only for Battle Network and I messed that up. The problem for them being DS games is that the first game relies heavily on the touch screen, to jack in and solve puzzles which the ZX series did not. But the DX patch kinda already solved these issues so we just have to wait and see
@@inktendo Again, they can just do what the Megaman Zero/ZX Collection did, since the ZX games were *also* DS games that used the touch screen. And the DX patch is fan-made, so I doubt they'd go that route. Edit: Wait, I just remembered the thing about Harp Note's scenario. Yeah, they'll probably need to do something at least for that.
Starforce is cool I think the only obstacle with a starforce collection is the first game specifically that relies heavily on touchscreen minigames. Starforce 2 and 3 eventually got rid of that
You are right, that might be an issue when coming up with the collection. But the fan hack Star Force DX proved it can be done, as that gets rid of the Touch Screen usage
Funnily you undersold Geo's backstory pretty hard. His dad didn't just *disappear from the space station* It was fucking purged! His father was perceived as DEAD along with THE REST OF THE CREW Geo's backstory was basically the fucking Challenger incident and his dad was on board! If starforce 3 was never released, we wouldn't get that dopamine of his dad being alive, we would have had to kick rocks and say "damn... he really IS dead, huh?" I can't imagine how every OTHER family whose loved ones were a victim of the space station incident. Afterall, Kelvin Stelar wasn't ALONE on there. Megaman starforce is surprisingly dark!
Starforce 2's character degradation was a corporate mandate. The team got told to tone down all the trauma and they unfortunately went in the exact opposite direction. I will say, it does have one redeeming factor, the boss music. That song alone makes the game playable.
That fact never came up while I did research for the video (which granted, was very quick) but man that is sad. But it is understandable, the first game goes over some very heavy themes and I'm glad they came around for the third game
It never released on the Wii U VC :( But if you have a modded Wii U you can inject the games and they'll play absolutely great! That was the way I played them for the making of this video btw
As cool as a Star Force collection would be, I'd rather see a brand-new game before we see another collection. For example, I REALLY want X9 and ZX3. Maybe they could revive Legends 3? We can only dream...
I'm just gonna call it now they totally are making it Because I remember stating that Battle network and 0 games. We're gonna happen as? A. Joke? And then they did it.
even 2 had some things i like about it. like the tribes stuff, but yeah... I wouldn't play it again. 1 and 3 are solid. apparently there was a possible canceled 4th game, but not sure if that's true.
I don't know, SF was never as popular as BN or the other Mega Man games. Maybe they won't find a way to justify a collection because of that. But I hope I am wrong
@@inktendo Truth be told, not every Mega Man game was popular. If popularity were a factor, Mega Man X7 would have been excluded from the Mega Man X Legacy Collection, and Mega Man ZX and ZX Advent from the Zero Legacy Collection. Even Mega Man Legends and Legends 2 were not bestsellers, but still have a strong, loyal fanbase. My point is, learn to have faith, because I do. 2003-2010 were my best years as a Mega Man fan.
For sure, there was definitely a Mega Man fatigue at the time. 6 Mega Man Battle Network, 4 Megaman Zero and 3 Star Force and 2 ZX... The later two never got the time to shine because of that
@inktendo well hopefully the legacy collections do their job to reignite the love for Mega Man to have Capcom continue some of their games and actually pace themselves so people can keep up
Ah yes the forgotten sequel starforce. I love all 3 games a lot I'm probably the only one that likes it more than battle network. They got rid of the pesky code system farming codes was the worst! I do feel the more limited movement makes the game feel more tense. I however didn't like them changing the buster in 3. I liked having mega's head as an buster was cool. In defense of 2 the story was mid but 1's story is a hard act to follow. I often replay 2 because to combat feel like a perfected 1. I do like them turning the normal areas into the dungeons instead of the previous format it felt more natural. Then there's the sky wave even I'm not going to defend that one. That beings said 2 is still the worst.
- Go to www.romhacking.net/hacks/5979/ and download the patch file on the Links section of the page, it will ask you for a very basic human verification. - Google search the DS rom Mega Man Star Force - Pegasus (USA) and download it. (Sorry, I can't provide the link for that) - Use www.romhacking.net/patch/ to apply the patch to the rom using the files you downloaded in the first two steps. - You should be good to go!
The games were not bad but for some reason when I tried to play them they gave me a head ache. Idk if it was just cause of the DS but then again other games on the DS wouldn't give me head aches.
Starforce 2 and bn4 are some of my favorites and I don't care how bad people claim they are ( im aware of the flaws i still love them anyway )tribe king and holy dream are God tier also who know maybe they'll fix some of the flaws of star force 2 in a collection I can dream
@@inktendo i'm well aware the story is not the best in the but i always tell my freinds somehow bn4 and starfoce 2 being the low points story wise tells you how great the other games are :) that and if it has megaman and sonic on the the cover i'll be there to buy it on release day lol
@@subjectnivleis7572 well when you look at it that way if even the "worst" games of the series are still good, then that's a goddamn good series right there
The only thing I didn’t like about these Star Force games was the forced top front viewpoint as opposed to the standard 2d side view. I guess operation shooting star is about as close as I can get to playing a “star Force” game that has the same view as battle network.
imo i think the basis for these is that in BN, the battle field is played out like this because your looking at the Operator's perspective (ergo Lan) and can see how the battle is playing out. SF does this differently. Since the human is the one actively fighting, you get to see HIS perspective so you get immersed in the multiple attacks that come geo's way.
@@rogue1248 then why not just make it first person view if that’s the case? Kinda makes no sense being in that 3rd person view camera if it’s supposed to be from their perspective.
Legends would have 3 at least. 1,2 and the spin off title. If we get super lucky the scrapped 3ds demo for Legends 3 would be awesome to finally play. . .
I REALLY REALLY enjoy the battle system on Star Force and I personally wouldn't change it. But if you want to play as Geo on the Battle Network style, you can try Operate Star Force
@mattwo7 being good at the game and the game being fun are different. Playing SF is not fun whether you win or lose. The gameplay loop isn't fun. The combat isn't fun. BN is just better.
What's peoples logic behind being offended that they didn't include a single DS game in a GBA collection. If they did that, they would have just released star force at the same time.
not being offended, just wanting a little more because I absolute love the series. Besides that the DS titles I spoke about are still Battle Network games and not Star Force. Although including the BN1 remake on the Star Force collection could bump up its value since its one more game for it
Personally I'm not offended but disappointed. I'm more offended by the lack of art for MMBN5DS in the collection when they included art for OSS, Legend/Phantom and 4.5
Also, mmbn games were loved for the complexity and variety in its combat system. Starforce 3 simplified everything to a fault. Where BN games were reaction time and pattern memorization. Starforce is literally just repeating the same thing in every. Single. Battle. I will never understand how you come off of battle Network 6- arguably battle networks' magnum opus- the best in the series- and then go completely backwards.
Yup. I agree with you! It was one of the points I went over in the video (although very briefly) It is honestly so weird, because the story is a tad more mature, but the combat is not.I can still find value in the series and while a downgrade from MMBN, I can still get some fun out of SF's combat by the end of the day
StarForce was actually my first exposure to Megaman, and watching the anime on Toonami Jetstream was how I found out about the games. I had a great time with the games, even 2, and especially 3, and I would definitely be down for a legacy collection.
fingers crossed! 🤞🏻
That is literally the same as my initial exposure to the series I watched it on Jetstream (RIP) and became obsessed, I remember all of the trailers were of just the battling and nothing else so I was wondering what the rest of the game was like, I had never played Battle Network, so I didn't know but I was hooked. I'm replaying the DX patch on my new 2DS XL and its the way to play the original. I hope they bring those quality of life features to the Collection I'm hoping comes out soon. 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞
That's crazy , I was introduced too megaman in the 90s
As someone who still takes part in the competitive starforce scene, YES this game deserves way more love and attention, the combat is so much fun and fast paced. There are so many good things about this game.
So cool to know someone who is into competitive Star Force! I would love to know more about its competitive side, what games do you usually play and what are the means you use to connect with the Nintendo Wi-Fi down, do you guys use wiimf or another workaround?
@@inktendo
We almost always play Starforce 3 Japense Version because it's the "most balanced" out of all the games in the franchise, also the most fun. A tournament just finished a week and a half ago and you can see some of the matches in my channel, along with a lot of other past matches I've had before, so feel free to check it out if you are interested!
With melonds 1.0 getting a release soon, we'll also be able to play Megaman SFDX which is a rework of the original Megaman Starforce and the pvp for it looks like a lot of fun.
Also Megaman Starforce 3 is getting a software called "Wingblade" which is being created by Sigma and this software basically gives Starforce 3 rollback, just like Tango did for Battle Network, we hope to also get the other titles done in the future too.
For now, we are using MelonDS to play matches but with Wingblade hopefully coming out this year, we'll be moving to that.
I posted a comment before but for some reason it wasn't posted, sorry for the late reply.
@@CapybaraEnjoyer123 Oh, thank you so much for the reply! That's super interesting, I never knew any of that. I will take a look at the videos on your channel for sure!
I would have never thought the japanese version was the most balanced version. Why is that?
@@inktendo Because it has the Noise Kaizou Gear which gives you more abilities. They are like modcards from Battle Network. For example, instead of having to use warrior soul for super armor or having taurus as your main noise, you can get it in your NKG, you can get different charge shots, card heal, extra HP, bodies, etc. Which makes it more fair for everyone compared to the US version which cut that out. You can easily find the noise card list online to see all the things you can do with them, the effects also work like poker hands, so a full house gives you an extra benefit on top of all the noise cards, etc.
@@CapybaraEnjoyer123 that's super interesting! How did I not know that about this game? Hopefully they can reimplement this in the Star Force collection
Also can we talk about just how raw Geo's Megaman design is? His visor especially in darker setting really give him this sense of edge and made him standout from the rest of his counterparts yet still recognizable as Megaman. My absolute favorite out of all of them.
I absolutely love Star Force's Megaman design! Specially all the noise transformations and how Mega stays in Geo's hand
Even Electopia sees him has dark and handsome cuz of it. SF3 design is my personal favorite.
@@inktendo When They Make The Collection,They Better Add A Title Screen Code That Summons Acid Ace Badass Black And Dread Joker Real Red To Alohaha Beach On Either Side Of Bob Copper In Star Force 3!These 2 Bosses Were Only Fightable On The Wifi Network,Previously!Heart This Comment If You Agree!
@@chimuoma390 100% agree. If they ever make this collection they should add all this missing stuff
@@inktendo I'm sure they'd add most of it at least. Operation Battle and Battle Chip gates being left out of MMBN Legacy Collection was a huge L.
if they announce the collection but then sneakily sneak in a StarForce 4 teaser EVERYONE and their mother would come and buy it
I don't know about that because Star Force wasn't very popular but I know that I would buy and make my mother do it too
Oh man, I would ABSOLUTELY LOVE to be able to play Starforce 4! They were planning on having Geo meet Lan's descendant; how cool would that have been???
Man megaman in general need more love.
That is true, specially nowadays
We megafans should probably crowdfund + add fan concepts for the cancelled sequel to make it even more better.
@@nrtwong5379 I'm pretty sure there was a fan project a couple of years ago trying to achieve exactly that but I'm not sure what state it is right now
some deserve more love than others
So true especially Mega man zx
On the subject of Gameplay, Star Force is a lot more reaction and action focused, whereas BN is more about setplay and strategy
BN has a bunch more depth by comparison, but the sheer adrenaline of comboing counter-hits in StarForce to then get more chips and keep the stunlock going with proper timing feels a lot more rewarding than FullSynchro in BN if you ask me
yeah, I like the combo potential of SF than I do with BN. like i think i played the trilogy more times than i count playing BN. Combo bashing is just so FUN
I completely agree. Starforce Megaman NEEDS to happen. Heck I'd even write a hole reboot for it my self!
Side note: I actually have something in mind.
Star Force was the first series that I bought with my own money and I fell in love with it almost instantly.
While I do agree that 2 is weakest of the three it isn't that bad (it's definitely still more enjoyable than Battle Network 4)
I love these games! They may seem more detached from the other Mega Man games, but that just makes them the most creative. Plus, I'd argue that Legends is just as different if not more so (seeing as it doesn't even share gameplay elements with other Mega Man titles). That said, StarForce does have an enemy type (Met) that is included in every other Mega Man series, so that's another connection aside from the name.
I would say that the battle system of StarForce, limited as it is, forces you to think defensively and focus on timing your attacks. Sure, it's not as complicated as Battle Network, but that just makes you strategize in a different way. Plus, the 3D battles look and feel awesome.
I totally understand what you mean about StarForce 2's plot. I also thought it was lackluster at first, but after playing it multiple times, it eventually grew on me. Plus, Rogue is an awesome character, and the OOPArts were a ton of fun to use!
Lastly, let's look at the facts: We've had Legacy Collections for all of the traditional Mega Man platformers. After that, it was anyone's guess whether or not they'd go on to the RPGs, but they did! In my opinion, the Battle Network Legacy Collection's mere existence seems to hint that Capcom plans to go all the way! Next would obviously be StarForce (because they'd follow one RPG with another), then would come Legends. I think this is a strategic play to both introduce new fans to the entire Mega Man franchise and keep Mega Man fans appeased while they work on the new Mega Man game that's supposedly in development. After all the series have their own collections, then they'll probably start revealing things for the new game. I see a bright future for Mega Man!
Your pfp clearly shows your love for the series!
I totally agree with you, being a little detached from MegaMan helps the team behind these games unleash their creativity!
I went a little too hard on Star Force 2 on the video, it is not a bad game at all but there is no denying it is a little bit lesser than the other two.
And here we are hoping that Capcom announces the Star Force collection we all deserve next year!
I love megaman star force and I think that he needs an leagacy collection with some new things
if they include the BN1 remake and the wi-fi and card codes natively that's more than enough for me!
They're giving us all 10 Battle Networks, we can get all 7 Starforces
that's what I'm counting on!
Wouldn’t it technically be 8 since there were 3 versions of the second game that were put into 2 different cartridges?
@@michaelnelson1127 technically yeah, since zerker is also an option. But if we count only the physical releases then it is 7
@@inktendo Honestly I think if they made a Ryuusei no Rockman Legacy Collection it would be set up with RnRM: Leo/Pegasus/Dragon, RnRM2: Zerker/Saurian/Shinobi, and RnRM3: Black Ace/Red Joker. The auto Brother Band from 2 would let you choose between either of the other two versions.
Have feeling it's going to be legends. The producer from the mega man franchise had said he likes to read fans' comments and stated that there's high request for bn and legends and there will be something for both.
Thats really good to hear , i can't wait to see what happens in the next entry
I recently revisited this serie and did a marathon of the trilogy. I'm so glad that they managed to give this a proper ending. shame that the anime didn't get a 3rd season to cover Ace/Joker. But I really enjoyed playing though it again. fell in love with it all over again. it felt like I had moments where Star force was even BETTER then battle network. But that's probably because Starforce is more story related
That's exactly what happened to me! I loved this series and fell in love with it all over again.
Battle Network was iconic in its own right, but I honestly think Star Force is a better story than all of the Battle Network
@@inktendo it also helped a lot that it was a shorter experience having only 3 games that had a solid story to tell. if anything then you could probably argue that SF 2 was the filler content of the series. instead of BN having 3 filler games being BN 3-4 and 5
The collection will happen, but in a couple of years, probably 3 years after the BN collection. Similar to how much time between the zero/ZX to BN.
For the StarForce collection we can have all versions of the 1st game and both of 2 and 3. So a total of 7 games, PLUS the Operation Shooting star crossover of BN. For that game we can have a bonus, say if you own the BN Collection, when you play the crossover game, you get special battle chips or bonus boss fights
I wish we could see it a little earlier than that. But if we get that at all would be good enough for me!
@@inktendo it takes time, I'm sure Capcom will include the same features as the BN collection. Online PVP, CARD trading etc...
I think the BN collection would've been out sooner had it not been for the pandemic, so I'd say we'll see trailers next year and have a release in 2025 for StarForce.
@@rocknatex5013 I can see that happening. Probably a late 2025 release though
@@mikoswhackgameandstuffvids480 Agreed
I've been hoping for a collection with both the Legends and Star Force games, just made sense to me since they both only had 3 installments
They actually had plans for 4 game
I think the battle system, while not as deep or wide, has some uniquely cool aspects to it, that you can only forwardly dodge with MegaAttack, or AreaEater in 3 being a different take on AreaSteal. The shield as a basic move, the wait to charge, hold to rapid fire, I always felt the grid of BN meant it wound up feeling a little sticky when you needed to go diagonal but SF being 3 panels doesn't have this.
And I really like the models and the enemy movesets. MoonDestroyer, DarkPhantom, Rogue and especially his phase 2 in SF2, and Diamond Ice come to mind. The entire Diamond Ice part of 3 was brilliant, just wish freezing in her stage did damage to you. And the locales more than BN's, yes, even 2's locales. Bit more cultural sensitivity could've been nice, mind... Course, I haven't played most BNs, the ones I have not in a long while, gonna get the collection, just when it's cheaper and I'm a little richer.
Whoa, I absolutely agree with everything you said! I still prefer the BN combat because you have a little more freedom, but the creative ways the team behind SF managed to make combat interesting on its limitations is amazing!
I didn't comment that in the video but I think the combat kinda reflects Geo's personality a bit, as he is not as keen to jump into the fight as MegaMan.EXE and Lan, taking a more defensive approach.
@@inktendo aye, until Mega, the more aggressive, pulls him forward with the MegaAttack, to get in closer to danger.
i enjoy the star force battle system way more than bn, even if you can't move forward or back, you can still lock on attack enemies so you don't have to wait if you only have a sword
Starforce 2 is the first Megaman-related game I have ever played. I was instantly captivated. I played it from start to finish, non-stop. It was a magical adventure and filled with heartfelt story. It makes me cries at the credit and Sonia became the number 1 waifu of all time. On retrospective, it is actually more surprising to me that most people don't like Starforce 2.
I have known Megaman franchise from BN anime showing in TV, but it didn't click with me. Which is kind of weird, since BN is more well-loved. The only reason I can possibly think of must be that Geo the protagonist being relatable to me and the series appeared at the right time in my teenage period.
I truly hope we can get a legacy collection version, so that I can buy legal version of the series.
From a story perspective, Star Force is miles, even kilometers, better than Battle Network. Characters are more developed and deep, with meaningful arcs. I guess for most people 2 is just the weakest in that regard.
Despite that I find myself replaying the BN games a lot more frequently because the battle mechanics are more engaging in my opinion. But I love Star Force and I wish everyday for a Legacy Collection.
It is so nice getting to know all those shared memories we have with the series
The only thing I would ask for the people who made the DX patch is to make it possible to make your own brothers in 3 for multi noise
While yes the second game isn’t the best, since it introduced solo, it’s kinda necessary despite that, yes I like him more in 3 (those post game sequences with him are amazing) but he still needs to be introduced cause he does kinda come out of nowhere otherwise, and he’s this series bass, he kinda needs to be around and introduced properly since he’s a full part of the story
Im literally praying for a Megaman Star Force collection, I loved theae games I still play them on Original hardware
Peak fiction
9:38 His name is Clock Genius. He was a fan design submitted as ClockMan exe (no relation to the Clock Men from Rockman & Forte: Challenger from the Future, which Capcom apparently wants everyone to forget about considering Archie Comics wasn't allowed to use anything from it when they were making the Mega Man comic, though Compass Man somehow made it into Worlds Collide)
Right! I remember that fan constrasto during that time, but I completely forgot the boss' name
10:04 Geo and exe technically made a cameo in the Short Circuits skit of Archie Mega Man #55 but Viz somehow still holds the rights to the mangas for them so they were just silhouettes.
I actually really liked the 2nd games though. I thought they polished up the gameplay a lot more in 2, along with the cool fusion forms. Plus, filler isn't automatically a bad thing. It all depends on what's done in the filler that matters, at least to me personally.
No I agree this video needs more watches and comments in general. We need this for megaman history (who knows they might even refuse and give us 4)
That is the dream! I don't know how far into development SF4 went but I bet it is still inside Capcom vaults somewhere
keep doing these great videos!!
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I would sell my Soul for a Starforce Collection. Together with Pokemon i played this Games for hours. I have 100% on MMST Pegasus, MMST Ninja and MMST Black Ace. I feel bad that we never got the 4th Part in Europe. Such an underrated Game Series.
banger vid. makes me wanna go through the whole series again. I have alittle biased bc I started this series with 2 and have nostalgia for it haha.
well, take this opportunity to play trough all the games!
1:50 I mean Star Force does keep the iconic met enemies (which confusingly have the same name as Battle Network in spite of having a slightly different design from usual) and one could say there's a few loose references like how the naming scheme is similar to the MMX subfranchise except backwards, Gemini Spark to Gemini Man, General Aguilera to General from X4, Apollo Flame to Apollo from Rockman Strategy, the FMians to the the other bosses in Rockman Strategy (Luna obviously notwithstanding and there's a handful of zodiac constellations that Star Force didn't use, including my sign, Sagittarius. Sadge) and Le Mu to Super Adventure Rockman's Ra Moon (as both their names are a reference to the supposed king of Mu).
Please I'd LOVE a Star Force remaster collection.
I really REALLY hope they made a legacy collection of the StarForce series. It’s my top favorite MegaMan game of all.
You know what.. You talked me into it. I would have to give it a try for Megaman Starforce..
You won't regret it! They may be slow at the start but it eventually picks up and it's a well worth ride!
@@inktendo each game of Starforce are expensive nowadays.
@@androsthewarriorhighalpha Whoa, really? I've had mine since my childhood so I had no idea. Maybe sailing to high seas might be an option 🏴☠️
@@inktendo it's like searching for a shark 🦈 within these types of games nowadays it's like butter on my biscuit with the most expensive taste in the world.
4:11 I like to call him Omega Man/WarRockman to distinctify him from the rest of the Mega Men.
Very high quality
Thank you so much!
This gets my subscription
Thank you so much!
I'm Star Force #1 fan and yes let his happen
(also I completed all the trilogy at 100% and I still think these are the best Mega Man RPGs ever made)
One thing that definitely should be changed is the encounter rate in star force 2 , if they do that it would definitely be a much better experience for newcomers playing the series, since sf2 is notorious for having way too many encounters.
Totally! The DX patch for SF2 actually reduces the encounters back to what it was in SF1 and it's a God sent
We need to talk to Capcom about that so they can be implemented that game is fun too. I love the graphics on it.
they are so charming!
Denpa Henkan! Hoshikawa Subaru, ON AIR!
They're called Battle Cards in Star Force. I mean, they are pretty much the same thing, but still.
There were actually plans to make a Star Force 4, but it got canceled. There's a petition out there to start it back up, though.
The fact they're DS games is no big deal. They can do the same thing they did for the Mega Man Zero/ZX Collection (The ZX series is also a DS series).
That's true, Battle Chips are only for Battle Network and I messed that up.
The problem for them being DS games is that the first game relies heavily on the touch screen, to jack in and solve puzzles which the ZX series did not.
But the DX patch kinda already solved these issues so we just have to wait and see
@@inktendo Again, they can just do what the Megaman Zero/ZX Collection did, since the ZX games were *also* DS games that used the touch screen. And the DX patch is fan-made, so I doubt they'd go that route.
Edit: Wait, I just remembered the thing about Harp Note's scenario. Yeah, they'll probably need to do something at least for that.
Very nice video, I really feel like replaying the series again. You just earned a new subscriber
By the way, are you brazilian?
Hey thanks for the comment! And yes, I am Brazilian
Starforce is cool
I think the only obstacle with a starforce collection is the first game specifically that relies heavily on touchscreen minigames. Starforce 2 and 3 eventually got rid of that
You are right, that might be an issue when coming up with the collection. But the fan hack Star Force DX proved it can be done, as that gets rid of the Touch Screen usage
Funnily you undersold Geo's backstory pretty hard.
His dad didn't just *disappear from the space station*
It was fucking purged! His father was perceived as DEAD along with THE REST OF THE CREW
Geo's backstory was basically the fucking Challenger incident and his dad was on board!
If starforce 3 was never released, we wouldn't get that dopamine of his dad being alive, we would have had to kick rocks and say "damn... he really IS dead, huh?"
I can't imagine how every OTHER family whose loved ones were a victim of the space station incident. Afterall, Kelvin Stelar wasn't ALONE on there. Megaman starforce is surprisingly dark!
Star Force and Legends should be the next collection, also add Megaman Soccer, Battle and Chase as well as unlockable games
No, Legends must be the next collection
Well, yes... in an ideal world we would get both Legends collection (with The Misadventures of Tron Bonne included ofc) AND the Star Force collection
Damn i love the sonia song😅😅
its sad that starforce 4 was canceled, we were goind to find waht happend between BN 6 and starforce 1 and lan creating the brotherband.
Starforce 2's character degradation was a corporate mandate. The team got told to tone down all the trauma and they unfortunately went in the exact opposite direction. I will say, it does have one redeeming factor, the boss music. That song alone makes the game playable.
That fact never came up while I did research for the video (which granted, was very quick) but man that is sad. But it is understandable, the first game goes over some very heavy themes and I'm glad they came around for the third game
@@inktendo idk why they want to tone it down, i think having those themes made starforce unique.
so true
Bro I'd be upset if it wasn't. What's left besides that, Legends?
Legends and Star Force being so niche I sometimes worry they might not even get a collection at all...
@@inktendo I thought the same for ZX
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Um zx collection?
@@kira516 They're in the Zero collection, so we already got that
Could've sworn Star Force was on the Wii U eShop but that wasn't the case.
Just the Battle Network games, Starforce was only released on the ds unfortunately.
It never released on the Wii U VC :(
But if you have a modded Wii U you can inject the games and they'll play absolutely great! That was the way I played them for the making of this video btw
I waa just talking about this and how I want to see Geo Stelar back
As cool as a Star Force collection would be, I'd rather see a brand-new game before we see another collection. For example, I REALLY want X9 and ZX3. Maybe they could revive Legends 3? We can only dream...
maybe the collection is the "fund" for new game
I don't know, I really want a Star Force collection. I just feel that if we don't see that before the next mainline game we might not see it at all
I'd bet on a Legends collection or rerelease before there's anything on Legends 3.
I'm just gonna call it now they totally are making it Because I remember stating that Battle network and 0 games. We're gonna happen as? A. Joke?
And then they did it.
even 2 had some things i like about it. like the tribes stuff, but yeah... I wouldn't play it again. 1 and 3 are solid. apparently there was a possible canceled 4th game, but not sure if that's true.
it's definitely true, there is official art for it that was released online
It will be next, don't worry. Why would they skip over 7 games that take place 2 centuries after the Battle Network games?
I don't know, SF was never as popular as BN or the other Mega Man games. Maybe they won't find a way to justify a collection because of that. But I hope I am wrong
@@inktendo Truth be told, not every Mega Man game was popular. If popularity were a factor, Mega Man X7 would have been excluded from the Mega Man X Legacy Collection, and Mega Man ZX and ZX Advent from the Zero Legacy Collection. Even Mega Man Legends and Legends 2 were not bestsellers, but still have a strong, loyal fanbase. My point is, learn to have faith, because I do. 2003-2010 were my best years as a Mega Man fan.
Great video also the instrumental of the anime’s op is awesome where can i download it?
Hell yeah it deserves it 👍
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If it weren't for Capcom over inflating the Blue Bomber, I think Starforce would be more popular than it is.
For sure, there was definitely a Mega Man fatigue at the time. 6 Mega Man Battle Network, 4 Megaman Zero and 3 Star Force and 2 ZX...
The later two never got the time to shine because of that
@inktendo well hopefully the legacy collections do their job to reignite the love for Mega Man to have Capcom continue some of their games and actually pace themselves so people can keep up
Ah yes the forgotten sequel starforce. I love all 3 games a lot I'm probably the only one that likes it more than battle network. They got rid of the pesky code system farming codes was the worst! I do feel the more limited movement makes the game feel more tense. I however didn't like them changing the buster in 3. I liked having mega's head as an buster was cool. In defense of 2 the story was mid but 1's story is a hard act to follow. I often replay 2 because to combat feel like a perfected 1. I do like them turning the normal areas into the dungeons instead of the previous format it felt more natural. Then there's the sky wave even I'm not going to defend that one. That beings said 2 is still the worst.
When I look at the games as a whole I think I also prefer SF over BN. It's just the battle system that I prefer a little more
how can i get MMSF DX?
- Go to www.romhacking.net/hacks/5979/ and download the patch file on the Links section of the page, it will ask you for a very basic human verification.
- Google search the DS rom Mega Man Star Force - Pegasus (USA) and download it. (Sorry, I can't provide the link for that)
- Use www.romhacking.net/patch/ to apply the patch to the rom using the files you downloaded in the first two steps.
- You should be good to go!
The games were not bad but for some reason when I tried to play them they gave me a head ache. Idk if it was just cause of the DS but then again other games on the DS wouldn't give me head aches.
that's unusual... Did the Battle Network games give you headaches too?
Yo quiero un starforce legacy colección. Starforce es mi tercer Saga favorita después de la Saga Zero y los ZX
Starforce 2 and bn4 are some of my favorites and I don't care how bad people claim they are ( im aware of the flaws i still love them anyway )tribe king and holy dream are God tier also who know maybe they'll fix some of the flaws of star force 2 in a collection I can dream
BN4 was my first Battle Network game so it definitely has a place in my heart!
@@inktendo i'm well aware the story is not the best in the but i always tell my freinds somehow bn4 and starfoce 2 being the low points story wise tells you how great the other games are :) that and if it has megaman and sonic on the the cover i'll be there to buy it on release day lol
@@subjectnivleis7572 well when you look at it that way if even the "worst" games of the series are still good, then that's a goddamn good series right there
@@inktendo damn right :)
The only thing I didn’t like about these Star Force games was the forced top front viewpoint as opposed to the standard 2d side view. I guess operation shooting star is about as close as I can get to playing a “star Force” game that has the same view as battle network.
imo i think the basis for these is that in BN, the battle field is played out like this because your looking at the Operator's perspective (ergo Lan) and can see how the battle is playing out. SF does this differently. Since the human is the one actively fighting, you get to see HIS perspective so you get immersed in the multiple attacks that come geo's way.
@@rogue1248 then why not just make it first person view if that’s the case? Kinda makes no sense being in that 3rd person view camera if it’s supposed to be from their perspective.
Hot take but the 2nd game is my favorite
Better than legends 4 to 5 starforce game vs 2 legends games
Legends would have 3 at least.
1,2 and the spin off title.
If we get super lucky the scrapped 3ds demo for Legends 3 would be awesome to finally play. . .
Faz o 2 e o 3 por favor!!
Remake the battle system to bn style and the game becomes infinitely more interesting.
Nah, SF3 was peak. Just work from that point.
I REALLY REALLY enjoy the battle system on Star Force and I personally wouldn't change it. But if you want to play as Geo on the Battle Network style, you can try Operate Star Force
@@inktendo I have, that's why I think changing the battle system can make SF interesting and playable.
@@brianbennett2737 Star Force is both of those things. Playable pft, sounds like a skill issue.
@mattwo7 being good at the game and the game being fun are different. Playing SF is not fun whether you win or lose. The gameplay loop isn't fun. The combat isn't fun. BN is just better.
What's peoples logic behind being offended that they didn't include a single DS game in a GBA collection. If they did that, they would have just released star force at the same time.
not being offended, just wanting a little more because I absolute love the series. Besides that the DS titles I spoke about are still Battle Network games and not Star Force. Although including the BN1 remake on the Star Force collection could bump up its value since its one more game for it
Personally I'm not offended but disappointed.
I'm more offended by the lack of art for MMBN5DS in the collection when they included art for OSS, Legend/Phantom and 4.5
Also, mmbn games were loved for the complexity and variety in its combat system. Starforce 3 simplified everything to a fault. Where BN games were reaction time and pattern memorization. Starforce is literally just repeating the same thing in every. Single. Battle. I will never understand how you come off of battle Network 6- arguably battle networks' magnum opus- the best in the series- and then go completely backwards.
Yup. I agree with you! It was one of the points I went over in the video (although very briefly)
It is honestly so weird, because the story is a tad more mature, but the combat is not.I can still find value in the series and while a downgrade from MMBN, I can still get some fun out of SF's combat by the end of the day
It’s not as good as Megaman Battlenetwork. Sorry but it’s the truth. They butchered the battle stage from 9 blocks to only 3
Mah GRID!!
@@gunvolt5246 they took muh grids
As someone who went through both series with no nostalgia attached to it Star force 3 beats out anything battle network I must say
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@@gabrieln8003 I’m just laying down the truth and facts srrry
Starforce 2 is good dammit, not great but it's not THAT bad.
I had such an whiplash playing Star Force 2 right after Star Force 1 but it's not that bad, I gotta admit I exaggerated a lil bit there