I wish your video would've come out last year because I tried to do this with an X-Winder and the results varied from great to terrible. Anyways, congrats on a brilliant design and I can not wait for more!
This is a FANTASTIC project. I'm really impressed. I've been looking at the Onshape assembly and it's great. There's a few things you could do on the project side to lower the barrier of entry though, it would be brilliant to see the CAD exported somewhere like printables so that people can download the meshes/objects as a kit without having to export everything from Onshape. Likewise a simple BOM with lengths and extrusion types as well as motor/bearing models No's would make this loads more accessible. Really love it though! I love how you've made multiple heads so even the heat gun attaches and is automated! Much kudos to you.
Good idea on using Printables! I was already planning to put together a McMaster cart that people can either use to buy almost everything in one click (for a bit of a premium because McMaster) or use to get the specs of the items in the cart to source stuff from elsewhere.
@@andrewreilley I kinda wish we had McMaster over here in the UK, but yes.. a link to a BOM on there would suffice. I guess a PDF of extrusion lengths would also rock! Although I'm being picky now .. could work all that out in the Onshape I guess!
@@andrewreilley Any updates on this? I'd like to build this project. Also, I note in one of your videos that you mentioned you were going to make some improvements.
I would love to see Cyclone (the software for the tool paths) have the ability to do other stock geometries! Being able to make your own hexagonal CF pipe stock at home would be something else, because after all, hexagons are the bestagons
Andrew, your neoprene "epoxy/filament squeegee" is a really great solution/approach to the consistency challenge of the wet out process -- congratulations on a nice solution and a clean looking/effective winder! How well does the squeegee approach manage the "messiness" of epoxy wet-out? Is the squeegee affected by resin cure over time? Also, is the squeegee affected much by resin viscosity? The video suggests it does a really nice job. I also wonder if you've tried a layered squeegee (with offset slits) -- perhaps it could promote additional fiber-resin infusion? Either way, looks like a great solution to the DIY winder. FYI -- The reason I like your squeegee solution is I've found it pretty challenging to get consistent resin wet out on a DIY winder (your DIY filament and my DIY winder look relatively similar -- though I used belts and also upgraded to add more rigidity/went to NEMA 23 motors (2x for rotation and 1x for carriage translation) for additional torque -- th-cam.com/video/ECZUOIbOpEA/w-d-xo.html ). I plan to try out your squeegee solution/approach soon for wet out to see if it has improved properties over my current approaches (I've done about 4 different iterations of the resin bath and still feel there are improvements to be made). I also am trying out some pre-prep tow soon with oven cure. We'll see if that works too....Good luck with your winding!!!
This is probably a silly question but what does one use a carbon fiber tube for? Impressed you were able to source from Toray. We get their stuff at work.
I use them to make rockets! I just launched one built out of a tube off of this machine to around 35,000ft and 3x the speed of sound. Video coming up soon. I don't source directly from Toray. It is less convenient, but you can buy leftover/partial spools on ebay for reasonable prices.
Thanks! You would probably want a 4th axis to keep proper control of the tow while winding it. You might be able to get a rough nosecone that could be turned/ground into the final shape with just 3 axes, though.
Great video ! We plan to use a Similar winding machine for our Hypervelocity rocket project, do you think your build can be converted to 4-axis. We are going to integrally wound a nozzle into the motorcase
I went pretty simple for this design. There's a rubber o-ring stretched between the tow spool and the frame it mounts to, which I sized to get about the right tension. I would like to make a 2.0 version of the machine with closed loop tension control, and will post about it when I do.
@@lirothenThis is a lot of work when small tubes are readily available for dirt cheap that use woven carbon which makes it stronger in the long axis which is most important for a multirotor arm. These tubes are really good for expanding loads though since it's one continues piece of tow that's why they're used for rockets and pressure canisters.
The wobbling shaft is apparent when sped up. Cost to build, materials, time vs: purchasing frefab or ordering custom tube with higher tolerances Fanyboys: Before you leave a smart@ss comment to clap back. Do you know know what the cost of a new cf roll is, resin, tape, etc Hobby DIY for bragging rights that you made it yourself is all this has going for it. 12k tow is 0.40 a yard or 3ft or $120-500 a roll depending on 10mm width, filament (12k) etc Make a mistake it's expensive. **I'm saving someone who can't afford the learning curve***
I wish your video would've come out last year because I tried to do this with an X-Winder and the results varied from great to terrible. Anyways, congrats on a brilliant design and I can not wait for more!
This is a FANTASTIC project. I'm really impressed. I've been looking at the Onshape assembly and it's great. There's a few things you could do on the project side to lower the barrier of entry though, it would be brilliant to see the CAD exported somewhere like printables so that people can download the meshes/objects as a kit without having to export everything from Onshape. Likewise a simple BOM with lengths and extrusion types as well as motor/bearing models No's would make this loads more accessible. Really love it though! I love how you've made multiple heads so even the heat gun attaches and is automated! Much kudos to you.
Good idea on using Printables! I was already planning to put together a McMaster cart that people can either use to buy almost everything in one click (for a bit of a premium because McMaster) or use to get the specs of the items in the cart to source stuff from elsewhere.
@@andrewreilley I kinda wish we had McMaster over here in the UK, but yes.. a link to a BOM on there would suffice. I guess a PDF of extrusion lengths would also rock! Although I'm being picky now .. could work all that out in the Onshape I guess!
Would be awesome to grab all the files in one central repo as .stl 's
great project
@@andrewreilley
@@andrewreilley Hi! have you been able to work on the extra documentation or mcmaster list?
@@andrewreilley Any updates on this?
I'd like to build this project. Also, I note in one of your videos that you mentioned you were going to make some improvements.
Now you are ready to built a submarine !!
Lol have some class.
@@thirtythreeeyes8624 experimental class indeed!
This is basically how they built that sub, except they used expired resin purchased at discount
Love it.
how does your delivery head mount carry your step motor? which material did you use when you printing?
I would love to see Cyclone (the software for the tool paths) have the ability to do other stock geometries! Being able to make your own hexagonal CF pipe stock at home would be something else, because after all, hexagons are the bestagons
I would like to experiment with winding on non-cylindrical mandrels eventually, and would definitely update the software when I get it tuned.
@@andrewreilley Do you have any idea if the X-Winder software could be used for your machine? Would save a ton of time programing your own
Following!
What's the smallest diameter boom this set up can make?
Hello, this is a very nice project. Would you be able to provide a part list?
Andrew, your neoprene "epoxy/filament squeegee" is a really great solution/approach to the consistency challenge of the wet out process -- congratulations on a nice solution and a clean looking/effective winder!
How well does the squeegee approach manage the "messiness" of epoxy wet-out? Is the squeegee affected by resin cure over time? Also, is the squeegee affected much by resin viscosity? The video suggests it does a really nice job. I also wonder if you've tried a layered squeegee (with offset slits) -- perhaps it could promote additional fiber-resin infusion? Either way, looks like a great solution to the DIY winder.
FYI -- The reason I like your squeegee solution is I've found it pretty challenging to get consistent resin wet out on a DIY winder (your DIY filament and my DIY winder look relatively similar -- though I used belts and also upgraded to add more rigidity/went to NEMA 23 motors (2x for rotation and 1x for carriage translation) for additional torque -- th-cam.com/video/ECZUOIbOpEA/w-d-xo.html ). I plan to try out your squeegee solution/approach soon for wet out to see if it has improved properties over my current approaches (I've done about 4 different iterations of the resin bath and still feel there are improvements to be made). I also am trying out some pre-prep tow soon with oven cure. We'll see if that works too....Good luck with your winding!!!
Can you move you website to a https?
This is probably a silly question but what does one use a carbon fiber tube for? Impressed you were able to source from Toray. We get their stuff at work.
I use them to make rockets! I just launched one built out of a tube off of this machine to around 35,000ft and 3x the speed of sound. Video coming up soon. I don't source directly from Toray. It is less convenient, but you can buy leftover/partial spools on ebay for reasonable prices.
Hi, great project! Could you tell if it possible to make nose cone? Or you should use 4 axis machine.
Thanks! You would probably want a 4th axis to keep proper control of the tow while winding it. You might be able to get a rough nosecone that could be turned/ground into the final shape with just 3 axes, though.
Great video !
We plan to use a Similar winding machine for our Hypervelocity rocket project, do you think your build can be converted to 4-axis. We are going to integrally wound a nozzle into the motorcase
DIY driveshafts or axles?
What type of grain is more efficient?
What would it take to use catalyst cured epoxy vs oven cured? Thinking about building long tubes...
What cnc controller do you use
BigTreeTech Octopus, though one with fewer outputs would work.
hello.Its nice machine.But I have aw question. How is tension control performed?
I went pretty simple for this design. There's a rubber o-ring stretched between the tow spool and the frame it mounts to, which I sized to get about the right tension. I would like to make a 2.0 version of the machine with closed loop tension control, and will post about it when I do.
Goosebumps from watching, pure Tech porn. Love it. Thank You.
p.s. maybe we try to build one ourselves and get back to You.
Let me know if you build one, or need help!
Excellent
I'm curious what you use these tubes for
Edit: Ah, rocket bodies!
These would be great for a drone too, if just a little smaller
I figured tubing for a car frame.
@@lirothenThis is a lot of work when small tubes are readily available for dirt cheap that use woven carbon which makes it stronger in the long axis which is most important for a multirotor arm. These tubes are really good for expanding loads though since it's one continues piece of tow that's why they're used for rockets and pressure canisters.
Can I use this to make car tires
Car tires with carbon fiber?
The wobbling shaft is apparent when sped up.
Cost to build, materials, time vs: purchasing frefab or ordering custom tube with higher tolerances
Fanyboys: Before you leave a smart@ss comment to clap back. Do you know know what the cost of a new cf roll is, resin, tape, etc
Hobby DIY for bragging rights that you made it yourself is all this has going for it.
12k tow is 0.40 a yard or 3ft or $120-500 a roll depending on 10mm width, filament (12k) etc
Make a mistake it's expensive.
**I'm saving someone who can't afford the learning curve***