I think Jan's advice from season 2 will come in handy. "Listen to what you said, Charles. The killer composed the murder scene. That's who you are looking for. A storyteller. An artist. An artist never finishes their piece in the middle. They stick with it till the end. Finding ways to stay close to their work. Is someone staying close to you? Does someone have a new friend? That's your killer" Mabel does have a new "friend"
Someone mentioned somewhere that maybe it was really Sazz that had Ben fired when he was 8 because it's weird how Charles remembers everything from Brazzos but not firing a child and it got me thinking, what if Ben found out it was Sazz who fired him and he wanted revenge, so maybe Sazz is the "her" Charles told him to stay away from. Also Ben worked on Cobro there is a good chance he had a stunt double so what if the killer is a stunt double and not a secret twin.
I love Howard's part more than anything! He cracks me up everytime, esp in the scene with the handkerchief in episode 2, i snorted my food out😂..! also loved seeing him in The Marvelous mrs Maisel. What a fine actor ! ✨️
Ben did get his tatoo erased because he planned the death of his twin as his own death. He killed his twin as himself! To disappear from something or someone or somethings!
This talk about twins is sparking up my PTSD from original Pretty Little Liars and I’m not sure if I’d want to see an evil twin twist again. Plot holes galore… no one knew Ben had a twin? 😅
For me was a little weird when Ben said that Charles was the one who nearly broke his dream, BUT at the same time Ben is the one telling Oliver to ger rid of Loretta, when he just saw her only during the table read... seemed a little out of character or...it was the twin
There is a theory that Loretta is Ben’s aunt as you can see a card in her apartment saying “happy birthday Aunt Loretta”. It could be that Loretta ended up having to raise her nephews and pushed them into acting to vicariously live her dreams through them, could explain why Ben’s brother is so starry eyed when he sees her perform and is so dedicated to keeping her newfound career going, could also explain why Ben hates her so much, he might be bitter at her for it
Cookies and Multiple Killers - Going with the theory that Ben was talking to a plate of cookies in his dressing room, I predict all or multiple cast members of Death Rattle have worked with Ben in some capacity in the past and have been burned by him in some way. I think they conspired together and each person put one poisoned cookie on the plate so they would collectively kill him but not know which cookie dealt the death blow.
This season started slowly, but I thought the third episode was the best so far. Just a thought on Loretta - maybe she didn't get that part. If she's in cahoots with the brother, maybe there was no part. It could be a way to entrap Oliver by earning his trust. I can't imagine it's her though as she's too obvious, and OMITB tries to surprise when they finally reveal the killer. It'll be someone we don't suspect that much, I think.
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There is also a children's book Elephant Twins / 1936 Inez Hogan One elephant is named TOBY! He was looking for his twin brother. HE COULDN'T PULL HIM OUT OF THE WATER Does that remind you someone maybe?
I love how self-aware this show is! Like Charles's comment that a girl as a killer "has been done" (I have to say, taking a joke past the point of being done is Steve Martin humor, so that doesn't rule out female killers for me). I love when Tobert and Mabel are talking about the "podcast", saying the first was better than the second, and maybe it's not high art but it's smart and refreshing and all that---clearly referring to the show itself, so clever.
I wonder if there might be something to the "Aunt Loretta" theory. I've watched "Look For The Light" a concerning number of times already, and Streep appears to be singing lovingly in Oliver's direction at the end. But directly behind Oliver is DICKIE, who the camera cuts to on "my darling" and he is positively *enraptured* with her performance. It could be nothing, but his reaction shots throughout the song seem to be the only ones where anybody is actually smiling. They're all MOVED, but his connection to it seems deeply personal on a level that not even Oliver matches. If Loretta turns out to be his mother, I will not be at all surprised.
Steve Martin has said that he is retiring after this, which may mean this season. I hope not, I think this is the best thing he has ever done. But if that happened, they could spin off another investigation with Mable opening up a detective agency? I am getting 'Pushing Daisies' vibes along with 'Slings & Arrows'.
I would be devastated if this was the last season I mean come on it's not fair it's not enough it's not enough at all I would understand if they quit maybe at 5 but 3 NO
I think it's Producer Donna. She wants to claim the insurance for the play to fail. She was counting on it to fail by hiring Oliver who has had bad luck with stage productions. She killed Ben for the play to really fail.
It also could be Lester since he also was a failed actor and he could be involved in the elevator incident. Also if you look closely in the season finale of Season 2, you can see Howard and Lester aren't shocked when Ben falls down on stage.
I agree with TimMcNeil that Ben was NOT talking to a person, but rather a dessert. Maybe he ate one and got sick? I don't think Loretta changed her mind about doing the show because Oliver 'discovered' her, but for money. I thought I heard her saying something won't cover her 'supplemental', when she came to the rehearsal, so I think she kept the theater job because it gave her more money. She is cozying up to whomever is best for her career (Oliver, Dickie). A lot of 'accidents' seem to take place backstage (Charles locked in a room, sandbags falling); I wonder if Oliver's 'Splash' disaster was NOT an accident??
Has anyone else noticed that Bobo is the only one who stayed quiet when Charles was asking for hankies at his apartment? He is part of the cast so should have gotten one… Also KT is stage manager and got a hankie but it was said that it was a gift for cast members, so why does she have one if she’s part of the crew? She also said “no, he definitely died the second time” when clearing out the prop from Ben’s dressing room. Both of them also did not look happy to see Ben alive after the first murder attempt. Loretta is also quite shady. She liked the nanny’s lullaby because it was for her character, then when she got the series regular part she starts belittling the musical and laughs through her words at Oliver. She then decides to stay after singing the nanny’s lullaby and seeing the great response. I don’t think she killed Ben but she’s def hiding something or her feelings for Oliver aren’t genuine, she’s just using him for her own interest and to finally get a break in the industry. The triplet theory is interesting, this wouldn’t be Paul Rudd’s first time playing identical versions of himself either
We have had 2 ineffective poisonings. First Winnie and then Ben, maybe by the same person? Sherlock Holmes said that poison is a woman's weapon. Jan used it but said she did not poison Winnie.
@@DoublePMedia Loretta is Dickey's biological mother. Ben had a twin. Ben was talking to the cookies in his dressing room, and he wrote the "f---ing pig" on his mirror himself, because of the cookies.
I really feel that the 3 strollers in the play poster are a clue. Kimber is definitely a red herring. S/N: the Easter eggs for Grey's anatomy (Jesse Williams) and Little Shop of Horrors (Steve Martin)were great
What if Death Rattle is actually based on Bens family(or the Ben's, and the twin theory is real): That means that we don't really know the plot but if really one of the babies killed the mom, maybe that twin wanted to kill the other twins and he succeeded with the one in the theatre, then he pretended to be him, but Loretta is actually the nanny and knows the little differences between the kids, which noone else can notice, that's why she was terrible at the table read, but really great and emotional in the monolouge in the first episode and in the lullaby because she really meant that and felt like that before, and that is why Ben was rude to her at the party and called her a snake, which was quite strange. So then Loretta wanted to protect the 3rd twin and she knew what is the evil twin capable of, so she actually killed him.("yes i could kill to protect them" in the monologue) And thats why there are actually 3 kind of tattoos (one of them is CG, one of them is clear GC, the third seems a bit older or a bit blurry.)
I do think Tobert is lying. He told Mabel about his evidence, though he didn't have to. Plus I never saw him find anything. Yes, he was looking for something but not what he "basically" gave to Mabel. He could have filmed that footage and had it in his pocket. Then leaked it to Mabel so he could be first to release his documentary. Could there be a twin/triplets in the show, yes! Is it Ben? He only mentioned one brother. He could just draw on his hands. Agree, I do feel someone is a multiple...maybe Loretta....she changes a bunch. Sometimes nice, then snarky, then leaving the show, then not leaving the show, she can act...then her table reading sucks, at first at the piano she does not want to sing, then comes back and nails it?
Ben is talking to cookies as he makes the same statement he did about the cookies in 1st episode. N9t sure who the killer is yet could be someone we haven't seen yet
My working theory: Ben has a twin (that pretends to be Ben) who does most if not all the acting/performing. Ben killed the twin with the cookies (possibly with poison, something he's allergic to or he could be diabetic) because he is tired of sharing the spotlight with his twin and wants it all for himself. Dickie found out and tried to convince Ben to turn himself in and killed Ben (perhaps accidentally) and planted misleading evidence *OR* the roles are reversed and the Twin killed Ben, took his identity, and planted misleading evidence. Dickie found out and accidentally killed the Twin. OR, this is a "Murder on the Orient Express" situation and everyone is involved in the murder.
Ben did get his tatoo erased because he planned the death of his twin as his own death. He killed his twin as himself! To disappear from something or someone or somethings!
I went back and watched the trailer again. Noticed that Oliver was flipping through a scrapbook of Ben's press clippings. Now that Oliver and Loretta are getting closer, is that Oliver in Loretta's robe finding the scrapbook? Could she be an obsessed fan or estranged mother? Estranged because Ben grew tired of supporting his struggling actor mother? Dickie might have been caught in the middle, and now he is willing to hook her up with all his connections?. I know the aunt theory is popular, but what is this story/play missing? A mother.
You are 100% correct, Death Rattle (and Death Rattle Dazzle) is missing a mother. yet when you wrote "what is this story/play missing?" My mind raced to: It's missing the leading man, a logical storyline, good reviews :)
OK, I'm seeing a lot of people thinking Ben is a triplet, but that seems too on the nose, and OMITB is good at being unpredictable; plus, it feels a little like a copout. But I do think it mirrors the play in some way, and the number 3 is significant: Season 1- 1 murderer Season 2- 2 people plan the murder Season 3- 3 murderers (or attempted murderers or in some way involved/ guilty of planning the murder(s). I'm still not giving up on the theory that the elevator death mirrors the play and is an "accident" grey area similar also to Theo/Zoe. Or the theory that the 1st murder was staged (pun) for the biofilm. I have given up on the Producers theory, but I still hope they have an Easter egg eluding to the movie in the Broderick episode, like maybe he'll show up as an accountant.
I think Chicago figures into it somehow. There is one scene where Oliver, Charles and Mable dance in sequined costumes in a very Fosse-esque "Chicago" routine. The name of the musical is "Death Rattle Dazzle," which could be a nod to the song, "Razzle Dazzle" in Chicago. The ferry horn sounds like the beginning of "All That Jazz" in Chicago. Jason Veasey (Jonathan) was in "Chicago Fire." Donna says, about musical theater addicts, "you gotta give 'em what they ask for" -- again, I think that's the line that leads into "Razzle Dazzle." Queen Latifah played Mama Morton in "Chicago" and Ben wrote her a nasty letter. Dr. "C.," in the last episode. There is a Goodman Theater in Chicago (GC?).
Does Kimba have a twin or a triplet? Was Ben sleeping with all 3 triplets unknowingly? And then one decided she wasn’t going along with it and if she couldn’t have him alone then no one would? How did Kimba learn that song with all of the same vocal nuances that Loretta sang after Loretta only LOOKED AT THE MUSIC IN 3 -4 seconds with no piano man helping her learn it and Kimba NEVER LOOKED AT IT? Hmmm??? I LOVE THIS SHOW!!! ChinaDoll of the Platters
So i think Loretta is the mother of Dicky who was adopted as Ben's brother. Also where is the producer and her son? I think she is paying for Ben's Documentary.I think the producer knew this about Loretta and Dicky and she wanted to unveil this on video with her making the profit. Lotetta was conversing with Ben that she knew the play for the unveil, hints the argument. Ben is talking to the producer in his room saying, you shouldn't be here indicating a thought out plan being disrupted. Ben threatened to tell Dicky out of guilt and the producer kills Ben out of anger and the loss of the productions shock reveal. so now that explains why she wanted out so fast after Ben died. To cut all ties!!
Guys, I don't think that Loretta is Ben's mother... when Ben and Charles were arguing in the cabin, Ben said that at 8 years old he was supporting his mother and brother from roles... do you think he was raised by someone else?
In our video on the 2nd episode, we show how Loretta had a "Merry Christmas Aunt Loretta" message on her fridge. Which only proves that she had nephews... not that Ben & Dickie were her nephews. There will be a relationship twist coming --- but what?
I made a video about The Shining reference, and Bobo is seen wearing a red jacket and plaid shirt just like Jack Torrance in the film. And the elevator plays a major role in both the tv show and film.
If they are ending it… Mabel should be the killer because she’s so lonely. She would do anything to get the crew back together and the podcast. So she murdered.
Maybe it's the actress who played Girl Cop. A mystery is always misdirecting with the suspects and what better misdirect than showing the actress and her initial motive is Ben getting more fame than THE girl cop.
If they are ending it it's a three seasons I will be devastated seriously no at least five this is a great show it can keep going people move in and out of buildings all the time that place is huge and you can bring in new people every season they just have to live in the building
Ben did get his tatoo erased because he planned the death of his twin as his own death. He killed his twin as himself! To disappear from something or someone or somethings!
What if Ben’s “death” in the theatre was actually staged by Ben and he faked it possibly with the help of someone else? This may’ve made someone else think about what Ben did to them and decided to actually müder him
That's my theory. There's a notecard in his dressing room "The play's the thing." If you know your Hamlet and what that quote is referencing, a ton of possibilities surface.
Makes sense! Now I'm thinking that maybe one of the twins killed the other so he could be the star. one died poisoned. then someone in the cast killed the other twin at the elevator... I'm betting on the mother, the producer
When Loretta is singing "Look for the Light", as she says the line "So darling, my darling" Dickie and Loretta look at each other and they look like they.are about to cry. I agree with the fact that she could be Dickie and Ben's mother who gave them up at birth.
We're out of champagne! Dickie and Tobert had access to Ben's apartment. Did the killer need access to Ben's apt? any idea what floor Ben was on when he fell or was pushed?
LOL - Never change Howard! Also, that's what I'm wondering? Are we sure Ben was on the penthouse level? Would they have put caution tape over the elevator entry in the penthouse?
Cinda Canning is blonde and without glasses in trailer for season 3. Almost unrecognizable. Is she a Girl Cop? Triplets. Cinda had Poppy and Cindy. They resembled her a lot.
Ben has a triplet, but two of the triplets are identical and one is different maybe even a different sex. There is a scene where you see the baby dolls two are matching and one was different.
Anybody else think the marble snake egg is a hint/clue that Ben may have a child? From the time Mabel says 'wow" as she & Tobert walked into the room, the egg stays in camera frame until the focus shifts to Mabel & then to the huge jigsaw of Ben. Later, she picks it up, and even explains to us what it is. If it is not important why say it is a marble CoBro snake egg? Later Dickie picks it up & throws it in anger at a lamp. Could the egg be a gift from an ex-gf/lover hinting he has a child? If he does have a child, could the killer be the person trying to protect the child from Ben?
Here's my wild left-field theory: If Ben had arranged for the baby to be brought to his dressing room that night, it would explain why he didn't want Tobert there filming. Maybe Ben decided to fake his own death to be with his child, but when Dickie goes to get the child, he/she was gone. Hence Ben had to return from the dead to try to get back his child. Ben confronts the nanny (don't know who this is yet) and struggles to get the child, but then slips on the dropped rattle and falls into the elevator shaft, much like how Zoe fell while struggling with Theo. So you could say he was killed by a baby using a death rattle!
Kimber is always wearing a heart necklace. Not sure if it was there in episode 1 or maybe she got it from Ben. She was definitely playing with it at the funeral and still wearing it in episode 3.
Tobert said "famous star murdered by his biggest fan" Mabel is Ben's superfan! "This is my third time in this apartment and I've never loved it more". Fake Ben tried to harrass her and she pushed him? Ghost Ben is the good one/childhood crush and she tries to find his poisoner?
I think Tobert is the elevator pusher. He's doing a documentary about a famous actor killed by a fan (the fan being him, a fan of the OMITB podcast...). Not sure who gave him the cookies, yet...
I'm loving twin theory! I think it'd introduce a really fun chaotic twist to the finale. It could explain why no toxins were found in Ben's blood because maybe his twin was poisoned and the killer came for him again thinking they'd failed the first time?
@@DoublePMedia I think so! I think it’s a double murder. Professional paramedics wouldn’t just call someone dead at the scene of the theatre by mistake. I think his brother was on the phone to the twin as they left
I think 🤔 if it was a twin then in this universe it would have been addressed. I am real confused on this murderer this season 😮 which is a good thing.
I was wondering if Cliff isn't as stupid as he seems... my theory is that cliff tried to poison Ben, but got the wrong poison so the second time Donna took care of killing Ben and pushed him out of the elevator…
I think that Loretta initially tried to poison Ben, hence what she said to Oliver in ep 2 that she was in such a hurry to change she forgot to put her earring right, but then someone else killed Ben.. and I put my money on Cliff for that one
if you have diabetes and are on a strict diet, you're best to avoid getting tattoos and piercings on certain areas of your body where there's a risk of poor circulation. Ben's tattoos could be temporary. That would explain why they change positions. Someone has a twin. Kimberly + Amber = Kimber. Is Kimber a twin? Ben said --I'm so sorry I made everything messy between us. Us = Ben + twin sisters?
My suspect is Tobert I assume from the beginning he became a documentarian for Ben on purpose what if he is a storyteller trying to make a name for himself with making a documentary about the death of the famous actor ,also he placed the camera in the dressing room in away that everyone thinks it was a secret lover ,but it was nothing but cookies and Tobert which was around Ben alot and was aware of the way Ben talked to the cookies. Another thing is that in the party Tobert was the only one not there and Ben's phone rang and he went up to his house to answer maybe up in the penthouse Tobert and Ben argued cause he was suspicious to Tobert and over that argue he fall down. Also he has the key to his house what if when Ben went up he cought Tobert in there...
Want to get more details on theories saying Ben is part of triplets and that Ben that died on stage did die, and the "Ben" that died in elevator was his brother, and that both could have been killed by 3rd bro. And the tattoo differences could be two of the brothers needing to copy Ben and one got it messed up. Tobert is clearly trying to gaslight Mabel, but as she told him "Im good at this" and I believe she is on to him and wants to see where Tobert tries to take her. I wouldnt believe anything Tobert is saying about anything for now. Also agree with those saying Tobert did not get key to Bens home from Ben or Dickie. Agree that Ben is talking to a cookie in the video. But what kind of person would be saying those things out loud? We know Mathew Broderick will be on the show. Have to assume hes going to be taking the lead role in the musical. Im liking the series, but it feels clunky with the timeline flashbacks and the 3 mains not being together very much working on the pod and the Arconia not being the main location....yet. What are the current thoughts on significance that when in the elevator Mable and Charles have switched positions? And when Mable got on the elevator to go up to Bens place, she took the left corner when she usually takes the right.
There is a big surprise in episode 8 so I think it's to do with Loretta. I agree with the theory that she could be Ben's mother. Also there's the fact that Ben hissed at Loretta. I think she is the "her" Charles was referring to.
Something to consider: there is a potential contradiction in this episode of previously established lore- and it may be a clue. Episode 1 opens with Loretta's inner monologue about how she's toiled for decades as an actor without nailing that audition that makes the director say "where have you been?" Then Oliver and Death Rattle came along, and this is her Big Break. However, in episode 3 she reflects on her experience as Audrey in the Little Shop of Horrors during workshop. So like...surely at some point someone saw SOMETHING in her. We do know that Death Rattle REALLY IS a Big Break for her, but we really only have her word for it as a POTENTIALLY UNRELIABLE narrator that the reason she's never had one is because those dastardly directors and producers just aren't seeing her talent. What if that's not what actually happened? What if that's delusional? What if her past is littered with almosts? With getting cast briefly but then fired because of creepy, inappropriate, perhaps lowkey psychotic conduct backstage? What if that is too painful for her mind to accept, so she's created an alternate reality where she has repressed that the sum total of her career is a legacy of self-sabotage? Imagine if in the end, Loretta's Big Break was also, tragically, her biggest psychotic break. On opening night of Death Rattle Dazzle, Loretta is arrested for the murder of Benjamin Glenjaminroy.
I just realized that if you rearrange Loretta's surname a little, it's a homophone for 'kinder' i.e. 'child' in German - another element to the continuing theme of parents and children? Or am I overreaching 😂
Interested in the tattoo situation. I don't think Dicky is his real brother but not clear if Ben is a twin or triplet. Everyone is suspect so therefore I won't say who I think killed Ben.
ADD TWO COMMENTS if you think Ben had a Twin! ADD THREE COMMENTS if you think Ben was a Triplet!
I think Jan's advice from season 2 will come in handy.
"Listen to what you said, Charles. The killer composed the murder scene. That's who you are looking for. A storyteller. An artist. An artist never finishes their piece in the middle. They stick with it till the end. Finding ways to stay close to their work. Is someone staying close to you? Does someone have a new friend? That's your killer"
Mabel does have a new "friend"
So does Oliver.
Someone mentioned somewhere that maybe it was really Sazz that had Ben fired when he was 8 because it's weird how Charles remembers everything from Brazzos but not firing a child and it got me thinking, what if Ben found out it was Sazz who fired him and he wanted revenge, so maybe Sazz is the "her" Charles told him to stay away from. Also Ben worked on Cobro there is a good chance he had a stunt double so what if the killer is a stunt double and not a secret twin.
Will Cobro 4 move forward without Ben? :)
Great theory about Sazz! A lot of things make sense now. There could be a twins theme this season!
Oh my god I would love this hahah. I don’t understand why what charles knows hasn’t been addressed yet.
Amazing theory
Nanny's song is very touching. I love Meryl Streep.
Howard is precious. Glad he's a series regular now.
Her singing is WONDERFUL!
I love Howard's part more than anything! He cracks me up everytime, esp in the scene with the handkerchief in episode 2, i snorted my food out😂..!
also loved seeing him in The Marvelous mrs Maisel. What a fine actor ! ✨️
Like a good neighbour Howard is there! :D
If Ben actually did have an identical twin sibling and they’re pulling a “Parent Trap” on the actors, I swear I will cook my hat and eat it!
Heck yeah Parent Trap reference! We need Paul Rudd singing the "Let's Get Together" with Hayley Mills!
Ben did get his tatoo erased because he planned the death of his twin as his own death. He killed his twin as himself! To disappear from something or someone or somethings!
This talk about twins is sparking up my PTSD from original Pretty Little Liars and I’m not sure if I’d want to see an evil twin twist again. Plot holes galore… no one knew Ben had a twin? 😅
It *could* be a mistake in their continuity department... but you wouldn't think so
For me was a little weird when Ben said that Charles was the one who nearly broke his dream, BUT at the same time Ben is the one telling Oliver to ger rid of Loretta, when he just saw her only during the table read... seemed a little out of character or...it was the twin
There is a theory that Loretta is Ben’s aunt as you can see a card in her apartment saying “happy birthday Aunt Loretta”. It could be that Loretta ended up having to raise her nephews and pushed them into acting to vicariously live her dreams through them, could explain why Ben’s brother is so starry eyed when he sees her perform and is so dedicated to keeping her newfound career going, could also explain why Ben hates her so much, he might be bitter at her for it
Cookies and Multiple Killers - Going with the theory that Ben was talking to a plate of cookies in his dressing room, I predict all or multiple cast members of Death Rattle have worked with Ben in some capacity in the past and have been burned by him in some way. I think they conspired together and each person put one poisoned cookie on the plate so they would collectively kill him but not know which cookie dealt the death blow.
That would be fascinating
I think this too !! Multiple killers
This season started slowly, but I thought the third episode was the best so far. Just a thought on Loretta - maybe she didn't get that part. If she's in cahoots with the brother, maybe there was no part. It could be a way to entrap Oliver by earning his trust. I can't imagine it's her though as she's too obvious, and OMITB tries to surprise when they finally reveal the killer. It'll be someone we don't suspect that much, I think.
Glen, Loretta's voice is so nice - I want more songs!?!
True. I actually preferred Kimber's (or rather Ashley Park's) voice. But both were lovely. Oliver got his showstopper after all.@@DoublePMedia
Oh wow!! That caught me off guard.. 😂😂 Thank you for the shout-out!!
I think Kimber has her hanky. She probably decided to keep it in memory of Ben.
Or sold it for $$$. Actors don't need much
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There is also a children's book Elephant Twins / 1936 Inez Hogan
One elephant is named TOBY! He was looking for his twin brother.
HE COULDN'T PULL HIM OUT OF THE WATER
Does that remind you someone maybe?
I love how self-aware this show is! Like Charles's comment that a girl as a killer "has been done" (I have to say, taking a joke past the point of being done is Steve Martin humor, so that doesn't rule out female killers for me). I love when Tobert and Mabel are talking about the "podcast", saying the first was better than the second, and maybe it's not high art but it's smart and refreshing and all that---clearly referring to the show itself, so clever.
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Really enjoying this season - I agree really good clues and story! Really appreciate your reviews!!
I wonder if there might be something to the "Aunt Loretta" theory. I've watched "Look For The Light" a concerning number of times already, and Streep appears to be singing lovingly in Oliver's direction at the end.
But directly behind Oliver is DICKIE, who the camera cuts to on "my darling" and he is positively *enraptured* with her performance.
It could be nothing, but his reaction shots throughout the song seem to be the only ones where anybody is actually smiling. They're all MOVED, but his connection to it seems deeply personal on a level that not even Oliver matches. If Loretta turns out to be his mother, I will not be at all surprised.
Worry that the Aunt Loretta reveal won't happen until episode 8 (the last one which the critics got - no one has seen the last 2 episodes)
Mabel is a slick pick pocket. Tobert is a huge red flag.
That baby elephant died, Tobert!!!! :)
@@DoublePMediamaybe what actually happened is that the elephant dies
Steve Martin has said that he is retiring after this, which may mean this season. I hope not, I think this is the best thing he has ever done. But if that happened, they could spin off another investigation with Mable opening up a detective agency? I am getting 'Pushing Daisies' vibes along with 'Slings & Arrows'.
I would be devastated if this was the last season I mean come on it's not fair it's not enough it's not enough at all I would understand if they quit maybe at 5 but 3 NO
I think it's Producer Donna. She wants to claim the insurance for the play to fail. She was counting on it to fail by hiring Oliver who has had bad luck with stage productions. She killed Ben for the play to really fail.
I love the theories! I love this show and these videos make the experience that much better, and more communal to boot.
Thanks for saying so!
It also could be Lester since he also was a failed actor and he could be involved in the elevator incident. Also if you look closely in the season finale of Season 2, you can see Howard and Lester aren't shocked when Ben falls down on stage.
I agree with TimMcNeil that Ben was NOT talking to a person, but rather a dessert. Maybe he ate one and got sick?
I don't think Loretta changed her mind about doing the show because Oliver 'discovered' her, but for money. I thought I heard her saying something won't cover her 'supplemental', when she came to the rehearsal, so I think she kept the theater job because it gave her more money. She is cozying up to whomever is best for her career (Oliver, Dickie).
A lot of 'accidents' seem to take place backstage (Charles locked in a room, sandbags falling); I wonder if Oliver's 'Splash' disaster was NOT an accident??
Has anyone else noticed that Bobo is the only one who stayed quiet when Charles was asking for hankies at his apartment? He is part of the cast so should have gotten one…
Also KT is stage manager and got a hankie but it was said that it was a gift for cast members, so why does she have one if she’s part of the crew? She also said “no, he definitely died the second time” when clearing out the prop from Ben’s dressing room.
Both of them also did not look happy to see Ben alive after the first murder attempt.
Loretta is also quite shady. She liked the nanny’s lullaby because it was for her character, then when she got the series regular part she starts belittling the musical and laughs through her words at Oliver. She then decides to stay after singing the nanny’s lullaby and seeing the great response. I don’t think she killed Ben but she’s def hiding something or her feelings for Oliver aren’t genuine, she’s just using him for her own interest and to finally get a break in the industry.
The triplet theory is interesting, this wouldn’t be Paul Rudd’s first time playing identical versions of himself either
I can't take Bobo seriously yet, but like your points on K.T. and Loretta
Kimber is a red herrings. But I think the killer is either Tobert, Howard and Jonathan, Lester or Loretta.
If it's Tobert of Loretta, Charles is gonna be like "Easy to fall for a killer, huh?"
I think loretta and kimber is the red hearing .
We have had 2 ineffective poisonings. First Winnie and then Ben, maybe by the same person? Sherlock Holmes said that poison is a woman's weapon. Jan used it but said she did not poison Winnie.
Who's your top suspect Kim?
I think that we haven't seen them yet, Mathew Brodrick@@DoublePMedia
These theories are so fun and intriguing! Thanks for this video!
What's your favorite theory, Real Jen?
@@DoublePMedia Loretta is Dickey's biological mother. Ben had a twin. Ben was talking to the cookies in his dressing room, and he wrote the "f---ing pig" on his mirror himself, because of the cookies.
I really feel that the 3 strollers in the play poster are a clue. Kimber is definitely a red herring.
S/N: the Easter eggs for Grey's anatomy (Jesse Williams) and Little Shop of Horrors (Steve Martin)were great
Poirot's episode Elephants Can Remember is about twins! Elephants. Tobert?
What if Death Rattle is actually based on Bens family(or the Ben's, and the twin theory is real):
That means that we don't really know the plot but if really one of the babies killed the mom, maybe that twin wanted to kill the other twins and he succeeded with the one in the theatre, then he pretended to be him, but Loretta is actually the nanny and knows the little differences between the kids, which noone else can notice, that's why she was terrible at the table read, but really great and emotional in the monolouge in the first episode and in the lullaby because she really meant that and felt like that before, and that is why Ben was rude to her at the party and called her a snake, which was quite strange. So then Loretta wanted to protect the 3rd twin and she knew what is the evil twin capable of, so she actually killed him.("yes i could kill to protect them" in the monologue)
And thats why there are actually 3 kind of tattoos (one of them is CG, one of them is clear GC, the third seems a bit older or a bit blurry.)
I do think Tobert is lying. He told Mabel about his evidence, though he didn't have to. Plus I never saw him find anything. Yes, he was looking for something but not what he "basically" gave to Mabel. He could have filmed that footage and had it in his pocket. Then leaked it to Mabel so he could be first to release his documentary. Could there be a twin/triplets in the show, yes! Is it Ben? He only mentioned one brother. He could just draw on his hands. Agree, I do feel someone is a multiple...maybe Loretta....she changes a bunch. Sometimes nice, then snarky, then leaving the show, then not leaving the show, she can act...then her table reading sucks, at first at the piano she does not want to sing, then comes back and nails it?
Oliver's in for a heartbreak, huh?
@@DoublePMedia One of the twins likes him .... Hahaha!
A Lot Of References To The Number 3.
Maybe Season 3 Has 3 Killers?
Season 1 Had One Killer, Season 2 Had Two Killers....
Ben is talking to cookies as he makes the same statement he did about the cookies in 1st episode. N9t sure who the killer is yet could be someone we haven't seen yet
My working theory:
Ben has a twin (that pretends to be Ben) who does most if not all the acting/performing. Ben killed the twin with the cookies (possibly with poison, something he's allergic to or he could be diabetic) because he is tired of sharing the spotlight with his twin and wants it all for himself. Dickie found out and tried to convince Ben to turn himself in and killed Ben (perhaps accidentally) and planted misleading evidence *OR* the roles are reversed and the Twin killed Ben, took his identity, and planted misleading evidence. Dickie found out and accidentally killed the Twin.
OR, this is a "Murder on the Orient Express" situation and everyone is involved in the murder.
Ben did get his tatoo erased because he planned the death of his twin as his own death. He killed his twin as himself! To disappear from something or someone or somethings!
I went back and watched the trailer again. Noticed that Oliver was flipping through a scrapbook of Ben's press clippings. Now that Oliver and Loretta are getting closer, is that Oliver in Loretta's robe finding the scrapbook? Could she be an obsessed fan or estranged mother? Estranged because Ben grew tired of supporting his struggling actor mother? Dickie might have been caught in the middle, and now he is willing to hook her up with all his connections?. I know the aunt theory is popular, but what is this story/play missing? A mother.
You are 100% correct, Death Rattle (and Death Rattle Dazzle) is missing a mother. yet when you wrote "what is this story/play missing?" My mind raced to: It's missing the leading man, a logical storyline, good reviews :)
OK, I'm seeing a lot of people thinking Ben is a triplet, but that seems too on the nose, and OMITB is good at being unpredictable; plus, it feels a little like a copout. But I do think it mirrors the play in some way, and the number 3 is significant:
Season 1- 1 murderer
Season 2- 2 people plan the murder
Season 3- 3 murderers (or attempted murderers or in some way involved/ guilty of planning the murder(s).
I'm still not giving up on the theory that the elevator death mirrors the play and is an "accident" grey area similar also to Theo/Zoe. Or the theory that the 1st murder was staged (pun) for the biofilm.
I have given up on the Producers theory, but I still hope they have an Easter egg eluding to the movie in the Broderick episode, like maybe he'll show up as an accountant.
I'm close to giving up on The Producers theory too
I think Chicago figures into it somehow. There is one scene where Oliver, Charles and Mable dance in sequined costumes in a very Fosse-esque "Chicago" routine. The name of the musical is "Death Rattle Dazzle," which could be a nod to the song, "Razzle Dazzle" in Chicago. The ferry horn sounds like the beginning of "All That Jazz" in Chicago. Jason Veasey (Jonathan) was in "Chicago Fire." Donna says, about musical theater addicts, "you gotta give 'em what they ask for" -- again, I think that's the line that leads into "Razzle Dazzle." Queen Latifah played Mama Morton in "Chicago" and Ben wrote her a nasty letter. Dr. "C.," in the last episode. There is a Goodman Theater in Chicago (GC?).
Vivian will get her spotlight soon!
C. G.= Cookies Great! Solved!
You get to move into the Arconia penthouse for solving this!
Does Kimba have a twin or a triplet? Was Ben sleeping with all 3 triplets unknowingly? And then one decided she wasn’t going along with it and if she couldn’t have him alone then no one would?
How did Kimba learn that song with all of the same vocal nuances that Loretta sang after Loretta only LOOKED AT THE MUSIC IN 3 -4 seconds with no piano man helping her learn it and Kimba NEVER LOOKED AT IT?
Hmmm??? I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!
ChinaDoll of the Platters
My mom and I believe that Tobert is Ben and Dickie’s brother!!
Little shop of horrors also had Jack Nicholson in the original 1960s movie as the dentists patient add that to "'The Shining " wall paper.
Came here to suggest that Ben was one of triplets, but I see I'm definitely not the first to wonder this!
So i think Loretta is the mother of Dicky who was adopted as Ben's brother. Also where is the producer and her son? I think she is paying for Ben's Documentary.I think the producer knew this about Loretta and Dicky and she wanted to unveil this on video with her making the profit. Lotetta was conversing with Ben that she knew the play for the unveil, hints the argument. Ben is talking to the producer in his room saying, you shouldn't be here indicating a thought out plan being disrupted. Ben threatened to tell Dicky out of guilt and the producer kills Ben out of anger and the loss of the productions shock reveal. so now that explains why she wanted out so fast after Ben died. To cut all ties!!
Guys, I don't think that Loretta is Ben's mother... when Ben and Charles were arguing in the cabin, Ben said that at 8 years old he was supporting his mother and brother from roles... do you think he was raised by someone else?
In our video on the 2nd episode, we show how Loretta had a "Merry Christmas Aunt Loretta" message on her fridge. Which only proves that she had nephews... not that Ben & Dickie were her nephews. There will be a relationship twist coming --- but what?
I made a video about The Shining reference, and Bobo is seen wearing a red jacket and plaid shirt just like Jack Torrance in the film. And the elevator plays a major role in both the tv show and film.
If they are ending it… Mabel should be the killer because she’s so lonely. She would do anything to get the crew back together and the podcast. So she murdered.
Dang. hardcore ending, or as the late Ben Glenroy would say "Tight" ;)
Maybe it's the actress who played Girl Cop. A mystery is always misdirecting with the suspects and what better misdirect than showing the actress and her initial motive is Ben getting more fame than THE girl cop.
I would love GIRL COP coming back and taking out Ben!
I could see Mable meeting her and realising how awful Ben really was because of it
Thinking more about the baby elephant--could the baby be Ben drowning early in his career? Who is the mother that saved him?
I figured out is Oliver he got mango he made that into cookies
I'm thinking about season 2 and what Jan said it all relates to this season too!
If they are ending it it's a three seasons I will be devastated seriously no at least five this is a great show it can keep going people move in and out of buildings all the time that place is huge and you can bring in new people every season they just have to live in the building
There's been no announcement, but I imagine the shot in the trailer of Mabel running in a wedding dress is the end-of-this-season set up for s4
Well, I'm sad. Why?
I'm about six minutes into the new season three. Really?
Meryl Streep. I truly hope & pray the STORY is very good, & interesting.
Ben did get his tatoo erased because he planned the death of his twin as his own death. He killed his twin as himself! To disappear from something or someone or somethings!
Nah on Howard. He's just a fan-favorite character, that's why he's got more screentime. He's a free red-herring.
Where's that one photo from? It looks like an end of the season, everything is happy photo?
yeah, does that mean Tobert and Dickie are innocent?
Which photo?
@@psiloveyou1964 In the vidoe there's a shot of Mabel is a silver shirt and Tobert smiling and Dickie smiling behind them
What if Ben’s “death” in the theatre was actually staged by Ben and he faked it possibly with the help of someone else?
This may’ve made someone else think about what Ben did to them and decided to actually müder him
That's my theory. There's a notecard in his dressing room "The play's the thing." If you know your Hamlet and what that quote is referencing, a ton of possibilities surface.
Makes sense! Now I'm thinking that maybe one of the twins killed the other so he could be the star. one died poisoned. then someone in the cast killed the other twin at the elevator... I'm betting on the mother, the producer
And, another note: when we see Ben falling down the elevator shaft, he doesn't have the handkerchief.
Not in his hand, no!
I thought it was triplets and set of twins because of his name Ben Glenn Roy last name Glenroy but I think I could be onto something with the 3 names
I think this is the best season yet!!
100%
I'm thoroughly convinced that State Farm's strategy was to gain a boost in life insurance policies 😂😂😂😂😂
"Do you want your loved ones to not have financial security after Howard murders you? Contact Jake from State Farm today!"
@@DoublePMedia 🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭
So it's not Dickie for sure. He had an iphone. An iphone is never given to the villains.
As an iPhone owner, this alibi gives me the freedom to commit any crime! :)
Im convinced its Loretta but I think that's also because she's played by Meryl Streep. I hope this isn't the last. I keep expecting a Tom Hanks cameo
T Hanks for your feedback! Tom would be wonderful!
Every time I think I know who did it, and then a new episode comes out 😅😂
Hold on tight, Jenny. After that last song, the music might even be as good as the mystery!
I'll be disappointed if they don't make Death Rattle Dazzle a real play. I would definitely go to NY to see it! The music is brilliant ❤
When Loretta is singing "Look for the Light", as she says the line "So darling, my darling" Dickie and Loretta look at each other and they look like they.are about to cry. I agree with the fact that she could be Dickie and Ben's mother who gave them up at birth.
Noticed that moment too! Creepy or not?
@@DoublePMediaCould Kimber be jealous of Loretta's connection with Dickie?
We're out of champagne! Dickie and Tobert had access to Ben's apartment. Did the killer need access to Ben's apt? any idea what floor Ben was on when he fell or was pushed?
LOL - Never change Howard!
Also, that's what I'm wondering? Are we sure Ben was on the penthouse level? Would they have put caution tape over the elevator entry in the penthouse?
Mabel mentions it's the third time she's been in that apt so I think it's safe to assume it's the penthouse.
I think Ben was talking to the plate of cookies in the video and the killer (who I think is Howard) spiked them.
I've written elsewhere: Let me have death by cookies!
I miss the trio working together to solve this crime. yes I do like the music bu I prefer the interaction between the three of them
Cinda Canning is blonde and without glasses in trailer for season 3. Almost unrecognizable. Is she a Girl Cop? Triplets. Cinda had Poppy and Cindy. They resembled her a lot.
Exactly - Det. Williams is a girl cop
@@DoublePMedia ? sorry I don't get the joke
Ben has a triplet, but two of the triplets are identical and one is different maybe even a different sex. There is a scene where you see the baby dolls two are matching and one was different.
Wonderful eye, Crystal! My question: are both Bens dead? Did one Ben kill the other Ben? Someone else? What do you think?
Anybody else think the marble snake egg is a hint/clue that Ben may have a child? From the time Mabel says 'wow" as she & Tobert walked into the room, the egg stays in camera frame until the focus shifts to Mabel & then to the huge jigsaw of Ben. Later, she picks it up, and even explains to us what it is. If it is not important why say it is a marble CoBro snake egg? Later Dickie picks it up & throws it in anger at a lamp. Could the egg be a gift from an ex-gf/lover hinting he has a child? If he does have a child, could the killer be the person trying to protect the child from Ben?
Here's my wild left-field theory: If Ben had arranged for the baby to be brought to his dressing room that night, it would explain why he didn't want Tobert there filming. Maybe Ben decided to fake his own death to be with his child, but when Dickie goes to get the child, he/she was gone. Hence Ben had to return from the dead to try to get back his child. Ben confronts the nanny (don't know who this is yet) and struggles to get the child, but then slips on the dropped rattle and falls into the elevator shaft, much like how Zoe fell while struggling with Theo. So you could say he was killed by a baby using a death rattle!
Tina Fey's character says she has a green marble egg in her private parts, doesn't she?
On the way to Marshalls to find Rebecca
Kimber is always wearing a heart necklace. Not sure if it was there in episode 1 or maybe she got it from Ben. She was definitely playing with it at the funeral and still wearing it in episode 3.
Good eyes Lisa! We'll check the tape!
I think everything about parent twins thing is a distraction just like season2 and the stuff about Charles past and his father's affairs.
I thought Ben was talking to the mannequin 😂
Charles’ acting is pretty wooden, but to call him a… 😀
Tobert said "famous star murdered by his biggest fan"
Mabel is Ben's superfan! "This is my third time in this apartment and I've never loved it more". Fake Ben tried to harrass her and she pushed him? Ghost Ben is the good one/childhood crush and she tries to find his poisoner?
That would be INCREDIBLE! Poor Gregg, if he learns that he isn't the biggest Ben Glenroy fan!
Nah Mabel isn't the killer and she has actually been there before twice and now it's her third time
I miss Mrs Gambolini
And Gut Milk!
I think Tobert is the elevator pusher. He's doing a documentary about a famous actor killed by a fan (the fan being him, a fan of the OMITB podcast...). Not sure who gave him the cookies, yet...
My bet is Dickie or Tobert.
I thought the same. Ben could be a part of secret triplet.
Great minds think alike :)
4:42: you do know they have this new invention known as stairs, right?
Dickie might be the third triplet
I'm loving twin theory! I think it'd introduce a really fun chaotic twist to the finale. It could explain why no toxins were found in Ben's blood because maybe his twin was poisoned and the killer came for him again thinking they'd failed the first time?
Wouldn't it be fun. But are both twins now dead?
@@DoublePMedia I think so! I think it’s a double murder. Professional paramedics wouldn’t just call someone dead at the scene of the theatre by mistake. I think his brother was on the phone to the twin as they left
I think 🤔 if it was a twin then in this universe it would have been addressed. I am real confused on this murderer this season 😮 which is a good thing.
I agree!
I’d like to go on record to say I think someone poisoned some cookies opening night, Ben couldn’t resist, the end! Where’s my award???? 😂❤😂❤😂❤
I was wondering if Cliff isn't as stupid as he seems... my theory is that cliff tried to poison Ben, but got the wrong poison so the second time Donna took care of killing Ben and pushed him out of the elevator…
100% agree on something up with Cliff. But he and Donna are SO SILLY that I'm wondering if they are not the killers.
I think that Loretta initially tried to poison Ben, hence what she said to Oliver in ep 2 that she was in such a hurry to change she forgot to put her earring right, but then someone else killed Ben.. and I put my money on Cliff for that one
@@yvonneshanson1525 Oh Yes!! I forgot that part lol! It’s a good theory 😊
@@irene-tl3re ☺️🩵
first!!!! Ben has a twin???
It's quite sad how this theory has taken over the subreddit. It's becoming unreadable for all the nonsense.
@@la_scrittice_vita👏👏
if you have diabetes and are on a strict diet, you're best to avoid getting tattoos and piercings on certain areas of your body where there's a risk of poor circulation. Ben's tattoos could be temporary. That would explain why they change positions. Someone has a twin. Kimberly + Amber = Kimber. Is Kimber a twin? Ben said --I'm so sorry I made everything messy between us. Us = Ben + twin sisters?
Another child along with the theme: baby elephant
My suspect is Tobert
I assume from the beginning he became a documentarian for Ben on purpose what if he is a storyteller trying to make a name for himself with making a documentary about the death of the famous actor ,also he placed the camera in the dressing room in away that everyone thinks it was a secret lover ,but it was nothing but cookies and Tobert which was around Ben alot and was aware of the way Ben talked to the cookies.
Another thing is that in the party Tobert was the only one not there and Ben's phone rang and he went up to his house to answer maybe up in the penthouse Tobert and Ben argued cause he was suspicious to Tobert and over that argue he fall down.
Also he has the key to his house what if when Ben went up he cought Tobert in there...
Do you think Tobert is a one-season fling for Mabel like Oscar and Alice? Or can he somehow survive til Season 4?
Who wrote this play anyway??? Did Ben write it??
YES! We want to know!!!
I believe there's triplets not twins triplets
Love the show. Live Queen Salena. I think steve martins girlfriend is the killer
Want to get more details on theories saying Ben is part of triplets and that Ben that died on stage did die, and the "Ben" that died in elevator was his brother, and that both could have been killed by 3rd bro. And the tattoo differences could be two of the brothers needing to copy Ben and one got it messed up. Tobert is clearly trying to gaslight Mabel, but as she told him "Im good at this" and I believe she is on to him and wants to see where Tobert tries to take her. I wouldnt believe anything Tobert is saying about anything for now. Also agree with those saying Tobert did not get key to Bens home from Ben or Dickie. Agree that Ben is talking to a cookie in the video. But what kind of person would be saying those things out loud? We know Mathew Broderick will be on the show. Have to assume hes going to be taking the lead role in the musical. Im liking the series, but it feels clunky with the timeline flashbacks and the 3 mains not being together very much working on the pod and the Arconia not being the main location....yet. What are the current thoughts on significance that when in the elevator Mable and Charles have switched positions? And when Mable got on the elevator to go up to Bens place, she took the left corner when she usually takes the right.
I'm also still wondering about Mabel's aunt! She might be one of the long game plots (Hoffman mentions in an interview that there's a long game)
There is a big surprise in episode 8 so I think it's to do with Loretta. I agree with the theory that she could be Ben's mother. Also there's the fact that Ben hissed at Loretta. I think she is the "her" Charles was referring to.
If Loretta is Ben's mom why wasn't she sad that he died?
Dickie was her favorite :)
Y’know what I just noticed, you just stopped doing The Afterparty, like, what happened?
The Afterparty videos come out on Thursdays. Or starting next week: Fridays
@@DoublePMedia Oh okay
Something to consider: there is a potential contradiction in this episode of previously established lore- and it may be a clue.
Episode 1 opens with Loretta's inner monologue about how she's toiled for decades as an actor without nailing that audition that makes the director say "where have you been?" Then Oliver and Death Rattle came along, and this is her Big Break.
However, in episode 3 she reflects on her experience as Audrey in the Little Shop of Horrors during workshop. So like...surely at some point someone saw SOMETHING in her.
We do know that Death Rattle REALLY IS a Big Break for her, but we really only have her word for it as a POTENTIALLY UNRELIABLE narrator that the reason she's never had one is because those dastardly directors and producers just aren't seeing her talent.
What if that's not what actually happened? What if that's delusional? What if her past is littered with almosts? With getting cast briefly but then fired because of creepy, inappropriate, perhaps lowkey psychotic conduct backstage?
What if that is too painful for her mind to accept, so she's created an alternate reality where she has repressed that the sum total of her career is a legacy of self-sabotage?
Imagine if in the end, Loretta's Big Break was also, tragically, her biggest psychotic break. On opening night of Death Rattle Dazzle, Loretta is arrested for the murder of Benjamin Glenjaminroy.
Lotta good stuff here Rockets
I just realized that if you rearrange Loretta's surname a little, it's a homophone for 'kinder' i.e. 'child' in German - another element to the continuing theme of parents and children? Or am I overreaching 😂
as a russian I confirm Durkin is a russian last name and basically means "a fool, idiot"
“Durkin” is derived from the russian word “durak” meaning “fool”
Loretta plays the Nanny - but what else is going on...
Interested in the tattoo situation. I don't think Dicky is his real brother but not clear if Ben is a twin or triplet. Everyone is suspect so therefore I won't say who I think killed Ben.
Ok i said to my Mum that the answer is twins so i want it to be true just so i can brag.
LOL - If the continuity team messed up his finger tats, we're doomed!