How can money shift the moral frame of a community? A Story of the Dragon Political Economy
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- This video explains how game theory on one layer of our economic system can come in and shift the moral frame on a different layer of the system. In this story this happens through money, though other sources of power can accomplish the same feat.
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As someone who teaches at a small college, this is eerily correct of what happens at faculty meetings and being driven by student enrollments.
If I were to show this video to my colleagues I think they would all uncomfortably recognize it, and would change nothing.
I am so happy to get this video in my feed. You are brilliant; I love how you taught something that could be difficult to understand with a story that made it very easy to understand. This is an area where I have no education and experience, so I am very grateful to come across your channel. Immediately subscribed and liked. Thank you for being a gifted educator and sharing your knowledge with us! ⭐️
Another great video. It's these sorts of dilemmas that make me think that we need a meta-level narrative or understanding or project for us as a species. Not that this is an easy thing to figure out, but if the structures of society are built around making sure that people get what they need (ie status, shelter, food, salient paths for growth) then we can be more careful about where we let competitive dynamics play out. Everything just being a grab bag of whoever can find the leverage so long as it isn't explicitly illegal or won't be found out is extremely toxic, and I think we could have a much better understanding of how society does and what it should do if we tried.
Let's aim for space communism, we don't even have to make it gay. Gay would be objectively better, but I would be happy with communism.
One of the thoughts around these kinds of dilemmas is that there is always going to be several, seemingly contradictory, competing moral imperatives in play, and the ordering of moral imperatives to what is most important to a person is going to vastly change how things are approached (in Ashley's example group cohesion vs. free speech).
I think there is an argument to be made the metagame is something along the lines as to which moral imperative is most in play at the moment (indeed, the arguments and direction will reference conditions on the ground) without exactly being hypocritical, but the test in my mind is always "what if roles were reversed" (or pull from the veil of ignorance) to get a true ordering and avoid manipulation.
This worries me in several ways, but it was very well presented and explained! Thank you
This video makes me think about real life events through a new lens.
Indeed, how monetary issues can be dressed up as "for the good of the community" without even blinking, and hidden motivations often rule the day.
Ashley, thank you for your exposition. It reminds one of the process of developing another type of moral frame: an operating budget. The budget process is a moral one, a budget is a moral document. Your lesson illuminates the reasons for why this is so. Good work here.
Another amazing video! I love how the frames you construct are not too contrived and also precise enough to explain your points! It inspires me to research systems/tools/frameworks/organizations that could improve the reduction of the really negative incentives within the dragon.
Great video! Your other channel has a lot of game theory tutorials but doesn't appear to explain it from the absolute basics, rendering much of the content incomprehensible. It would be great if you could either do a short basics course on that at some point, or if the videos are there, to group them into a starter playlist.
The part about paradox reminds me of Anakentaveda, which is a core tenet of Jaianism. It’s the idea that one truth may contradict another truth and still be true.
How? Do they give examples?
@@prodigal_southerner Objectivists seem to be in this world where they think their moral opinions are true. Hard to imagine how you wouldn't end up with two contradictory truths when opinions are truths.
@@someonenotnoone I've only heard objectivism used to refer to the "philosophy" of Ayn Rand. I guess I've got a new ism to spend time reading about.
Good job. Certainly got me riled up! And learned something
Great video! Thank you for sharing. ✨
Thank you for the timely, delightful subversion :) I felt like you were aiming for a first principles argument in favour of smaller governments?
I think the transition of Iran from a secular state into the oppressive theocracy it is today can be explained by this. Plus alot more other examples
Meanwhile, communities of people that have no stake in either company may have no idea that a battle over free speech rights is happening under their nose and in a place they wouldn't think to look.
There will be no freedom as long as capitalism exists.
Survival and Thriving moves toward love/respectful attention/carrot/pleasure/on, > and away from
i love this channel dude
She's basically providing a Marxist analysis of society. How economic conditions shape the moral framework of a society. For instance, the capitalist economic system is the driving force behind the formation of our political systems like liberal democracies we all have come to love and cherish so much.
Oof It was really hard not to map this on to specific real world groups.
Power consolidates, always. I'm particularly interested in a game players ability to quit a system/game. In this scenario even with deep moral conviction if I'm dependent upon the systems there's not much I can do. In a different scenario with a different cost of living a handful of people can protest. Equity and inequality matter. The ability to quit. If you're not careful "market forces" can keep you/everyone poor and silent.
You're wonderful
Thanks
This was oddly specific.
The Cathedral 👀
I hope this isn't a reference to that Yarvin moron.
One companies expenses are the next companies opportunity for profit.
Shifted a lot!
From the viewpoint of someone in England in their 60s - I don't recognise any of this. There is a tacit assumption in the vid that group motivations are significant vs. all the other aspects of life. For instance, "community". Yes, there are groups you could draw a line around and tell them they are a community... but, there would be no real feeling, need, or bond over and above 101 other domestic pressures. I cannot recall a non-religious group which would self-label as a community, beyond the immediate need of a situation. And those religious groups are rare in the UK.
For instance, the people in my street. We are technically a community due to location, but we have nothing in common and I only know a few names.
I suspect the difference is due to "cultural kneading" (like kneading dough). That's been going on for thousands of years here, intermingling groups. People are scattered. Plus, there are no non-exhausted economic resources (all mined out 15 generations ago) so no incentive to gather at a point to do XYZ.
Perhaps the US is different? OR I'm in another position to view a situation...
Unprofitable = immoral = discard of Human Resources for short term gain until collapse.
Mmhmm. The Overton Window.
The Goatsie Effect can't be discounted.
If you're referring to what I think you're referring to, there isn't an i.
CNN, Columbia School of Journalism, and CIA/NED in a nice 30 minute hypothetical.
This isn't really a story about money, it is about power dynamics and social and political influence. If there was no money, control over resources would be exercised by other means.
Debasing the currency is debasing the perception of reality.
Currency is fake, how can you debase the perception of reality by debasing something that isn't real?
Also I think it’s ironic how you share this parable of moral frame shift based on money and this particular video is being interrupted by ads every 3-4 minutes. Oy!
Use youtube with a browser and install an adblocker - eg: ublock
Hmmmm, only one advert here, at end. Maybe you are a good customer who frequently buys advertised items so it pays to target you?
Why don't you use ad blockers? Stop using the app unless you need to edit a comment.
Elon Musk giving a million dollar thing?
I seen a guy saying theres 2 parallel classs systems . Theres the elete and the counter elite. Like gates vrs musk basically.
Below the elite you have the pmc and academics. Below the counter elite you have businesses owners . The guy who owns like 20 plumber vans .
Below academics and pmc you have the middle class trying to enter the pmc though education and the trades small business owners trying to climb up to be business owners and eventually counter elite.
The 2 sides hate each other and think the other one is pointless and has its own complete opposite culture. Im definitely counter elete sided . Carpenter to house flipper hopefully to property mogal counter elete one day .
F the pmc and intellectual, there woke mind vires everything they do is pointless or harmful 😂
Be careful trusting Elon. People still get canceled on Twitter, it's just that the things they get canceled for have changed now that there's a new owner.
Counter-elite is really only new elites jockeying for position with the existing ones.
Those robots and self-driving vehicles he's building have the potential to eliminate all sorts of jobs and small businesses.