This is so good. You are teaching the actual mental framework, not just speaking facts from a book. You are truly teaching applicable knowledge. Love to see it!
The dragon metaphor in the beginning reminds me of the "blind men and the Elephant" allegory. In an old job of mine at a packaging facility, they tried to introduce this new management style where we would have a group huddle for 10 minutes before every shift. They would go around the room and everyone had to give a suggestion for how to improve production. Ultimately everyone (including management) hated it, nobody really had any good ideas and there were no real incentives for coming up with a good idea. But it did seem implicitly acknowledge that management should listen to workers once in awhile to improve their systems. Perhaps it would have gone better if they went person to person during the shift and asked for ideas while they were doing something boring that didn't take too much concentration. Especially when things were running smoothly and we would talk about anything to kill time, that kind of creative effort might actually be welcomed by the workers. But at the beginning of the shift, put on the spot, wasting 10-15 minutes of production time in a job where every minute matters, it was phased out within 6 months.
Educators are the best. Such little thanks for such an essential role. Today, I’m grateful for you and every other soul who teaches the next generation. Humanity couldn’t be where it is today without teachers and educators.
Just 5 minutes in and I'm already vibing. I'm reminded of The Story of B by Daniel Quinn. The way the learning of complex systems ideas happens like a mosaic, piece by piece, and then the more complete emergent idea kinda pops into focus. Been 20 years or so since I read that, so probably telling it wrong. Anyways, back to the video :)
Knowledgeable people, please educate me: is Ashley repackaging (with words like "dragon") and aggregates of one or more existing economical theories, or is this a new and unique work? Lots of concepts here sound so familiar to me, but are presented from such a fresh and appealing angle. In any case, very interesting listen.
I've heard the 'god' of zero sum games being called Moloch by Liv Boeree and Daniel Schmachtenberger. There is considerable overlap in how others use the term. From What I remember It's a mythic word to describe all the toxic ways that game theory can play out like tragedy of the commons / race to the bottom dynamics, but also others. I think i prefer the dragon as a term, and the fact that Ashley's defeinion has no ambiguity is helpful. First Nations people might call it Wetiko or Wendigo, something like a mind virus that causes humans to be self serving and greedy. Nate Hagens refers to the superorganism which is a big picture description of the human systems that are essentially consuming the biosphere. Personally, I feel Nate has a lot worth listening to but i don't like his term 'superorganism'. I think a machine analogy would be better, and anything related to organism should be reserved for the positive model that could replace this mess. As Carl Sagan put it: “A new consciousness is developing which sees the earth as a single organism and recognizes that an organism at war with itself is doomed. We are one planet." - Carl Sagan
I think it's new, and it's not really a theory, more like a structure and an epistemology. A theory would be like those tapestries she talks about, so she goes over those into something more immediate, practical and dynamic. It reminds me of Hegel in away.
Those terms don't come from economics but instead she uses new 'Internet Rationalism' terms. On the internet there are 'rationalist' communities which conceive of societal frameworks in such terms.
Thank you, Ashley! I love your teaching style and content. This episode triggered a recollection of the tai chi principle "invest in loss". I am also curious if you have explored Relational Frame Theory (RFT)? RFT is a behavioral theory of human language and cognition which hints at the human tendency to get cognitively entangled in our mental stories to the extent we lose touch with embodied knowing.
Great video! To get better insight into this dynamically layered (dragon) game theory concept, (future) multi level (layer) pattern detection by certain ”AI” models could be so helpful for the average person. When they are trained on certain datasets, who are then analyzed and presented by certain (AI)agents in certain ways. Just to get it out of the theoretical framework and actually get some notion, understanding from their personal layer/perspective into the dragon. But also in the other layers who often operate at a higher (unknown) layer and scale of the dragon's, and steer its direction(s). Sadly, it will and is working the other way around and current social engineering methods have already achieved what and who will have access to those future more advanced capabilities at scale.
Great first video to see by you. You're a great teacher. Subbed and will be checking out more videos by you. I'm a little sketched by the name of your channel, the word enlightement has loaded vibes to me, but I didn't get that from what you said so I'll just ignore that.
Exactly I was thinking that! The Chinese dragon of myth is deliberately a composite creature...a mixed model if you will. Our old models are dying, but dangerously taking us & current ecosystems with them. Let's befriend the luck dragon of one myth before it turns into the end of times ten headed dragon of another.
This felt a bit wordy to me. I believe we are all playing the same RPG. Everyone has a different objective. The dice do different things for different players, and some players get more dice and more rolls while others get maybe only a single die and single roll per turn. The game "wants" to be played. Therefore it offers many different ways of playing and potential outcomes. I'm not sure you could say that it has a desire outside of its own existence though.
I was thinking about bad actors. I can believe that politics is mostly people with good intentions and things go wrong from misunderstanding game theory incentives of the decisions they make. But it doesn't take many bad actors in positions of power to cause a lot of fuckery. How could anyone ever know if they are dealing with a bungled set of good intentions or intentional misdeeds? With so much power being conentrated into these positions, doesn't it make sense that sociopathic people would naturally seek them out? Politics is mostly based on convincing people you have a certain set of values. That incentivizes the rise of skillful liars. The system attracts and rewards people that want power from the population. The only alternative I can imagine is some form of contest that proves competency. I'm talking tests, ways of proving in real-time that they have complex systems thinking ability, can make difficult decisions in stressful moments, etc. The current system is based on creating an image of all that without ever having to prove it. Most voters go on vibes, not a deep understanding of policy and the voting history of that politician. We believe too easily.
The part around 18:45 got me thinking about Ken Wilber's holon concept. It's not great at describing the weave, but it's good reminder of one level of the complexity we're dealing with. That everything is simultaneously a whole made of parts and part of many larger systems. I'm not describing it well. Our individual sense of self emerges from interaction with others. The idea of the self as some isolated rock that grows like a fully programmed seed without needing anything from outside is false. They did some messed up experiments on chimps, raised them in the dark without social contact and then impregnated her and she tore apart the baby because she had no social reflection growing up. No self\other game for her to grow from. I hate scientists sometimes, they have done so many horrible things in the name of discovery. Seems like we could wait and figure out a better way eventually, but no, torture millions of animals in many horrifying ways instead.
Interesting channel. You seem to be individual focused in your fields of theory used in analyses, but I was wondering if you have or are also considering the wider collective and social aspects of self-identity (class) and how such perspectives may interact and interfere with game theory like thinking. I'm curious if you have or will intend to cover theories like Laclau and Mouffe's Hegemony and Discourse which is what first comes to mind for me as what might balance out the perspective provided in your great video
Synthesis. I was just talking last night about all the different game theory in democracy. It's literally different realities when people vote for different ideals from state, national to global. There's no room for bioregions a watershed or ocean health in all the arguing.
No blue/Red pills tonight guys I’ve got faith in Ashley and I’m sure she’ll be offering us the matrix to everyone in the next few weeks 🔥👍😂🤷♂️😃👍 But you know how to deliver this to people in a helpful manner Fair play to you.
This is so good. You are teaching the actual mental framework, not just speaking facts from a book. You are truly teaching applicable knowledge. Love to see it!
It feels good when one finds a voice of reason on the internet
real.
I'm a fan!
TheCaptainSlappy also has an excellent video entitled "Welcome to Game Theory" on his channel.
The reason? Well she's actually *thinking* rather than repeating platitudes
You are exploring some of the most important ideas for humanity’s future here. Keep up the great work!
The dragon metaphor in the beginning reminds me of the "blind men and the Elephant" allegory.
In an old job of mine at a packaging facility, they tried to introduce this new management style where we would have a group huddle for 10 minutes before every shift. They would go around the room and everyone had to give a suggestion for how to improve production. Ultimately everyone (including management) hated it, nobody really had any good ideas and there were no real incentives for coming up with a good idea. But it did seem implicitly acknowledge that management should listen to workers once in awhile to improve their systems.
Perhaps it would have gone better if they went person to person during the shift and asked for ideas while they were doing something boring that didn't take too much concentration. Especially when things were running smoothly and we would talk about anything to kill time, that kind of creative effort might actually be welcomed by the workers. But at the beginning of the shift, put on the spot, wasting 10-15 minutes of production time in a job where every minute matters, it was phased out within 6 months.
Educators are the best. Such little thanks for such an essential role. Today, I’m grateful for you and every other soul who teaches the next generation. Humanity couldn’t be where it is today without teachers and educators.
Ashley, your excitement for the material beautifully creates space to better understand it. Thanks.
This is something completely new for me! Thank you very much.
Thank you for another interesting and demanding lecture I had been waiting for. ❤
Omg, you inspire me to go further studies in Economics again
Your work continues to make me think of austrian economics. Information frontier, for instance
Awesome cliff hanger with the cutest monsters! Looking forward to the rest of the story.
Another great video! Also, sorry to do this to you, but I believe the speech bubble at 10:13 meant to say "conniving" not knifing.
Thanks!
Just 5 minutes in and I'm already vibing. I'm reminded of The Story of B by Daniel Quinn. The way the learning of complex systems ideas happens like a mosaic, piece by piece, and then the more complete emergent idea kinda pops into focus. Been 20 years or so since I read that, so probably telling it wrong. Anyways, back to the video :)
Knowledgeable people, please educate me: is Ashley repackaging (with words like "dragon") and aggregates of one or more existing economical theories, or is this a new and unique work? Lots of concepts here sound so familiar to me, but are presented from such a fresh and appealing angle. In any case, very interesting listen.
I've heard the 'god' of zero sum games being called Moloch by Liv Boeree and Daniel Schmachtenberger. There is considerable overlap in how others use the term. From What I remember It's a mythic word to describe all the toxic ways that game theory can play out like tragedy of the commons / race to the bottom dynamics, but also others. I think i prefer the dragon as a term, and the fact that Ashley's defeinion has no ambiguity is helpful.
First Nations people might call it Wetiko or Wendigo, something like a mind virus that causes humans to be self serving and greedy.
Nate Hagens refers to the superorganism which is a big picture description of the human systems that are essentially consuming the biosphere. Personally, I feel Nate has a lot worth listening to but i don't like his term 'superorganism'. I think a machine analogy would be better, and anything related to organism should be reserved for the positive model that could replace this mess.
As Carl Sagan put it: “A new consciousness is developing which sees the earth as a single organism and recognizes that an organism at war with itself is doomed. We are one planet." - Carl Sagan
I think it's new, and it's not really a theory, more like a structure and an epistemology. A theory would be like those tapestries she talks about, so she goes over those into something more immediate, practical and dynamic. It reminds me of Hegel in away.
Elite Theory
Those terms don't come from economics but instead she uses new 'Internet Rationalism' terms. On the internet there are 'rationalist' communities which conceive of societal frameworks in such terms.
That was cool; starting to get a better understanding of your ideas now.
Thank you, Ashley! I love your teaching style and content. This episode triggered a recollection of the tai chi principle "invest in loss". I am also curious if you have explored Relational Frame Theory (RFT)? RFT is a behavioral theory of human language and cognition which hints at the human tendency to get cognitively entangled in our mental stories to the extent we lose touch with embodied knowing.
I really love your work. Keep it up, I think you are doing something really important.
2:14 layers 2:41 "the gut is neither good nor bad"!
NVC maps gut game theory, which navigates by system 1
It's a beautiful message, don't underestimate your influence. 🙏
Great video! To get better insight into this dynamically layered (dragon) game theory concept, (future) multi level (layer) pattern detection by certain ”AI” models could be so helpful for the average person. When they are trained on certain datasets, who are then analyzed and presented by certain (AI)agents in certain ways. Just to get it out of the theoretical framework and actually get some notion, understanding from their personal layer/perspective into the dragon. But also in the other layers who often operate at a higher (unknown) layer and scale of the dragon's, and steer its direction(s). Sadly, it will and is working the other way around and current social engineering methods have already achieved what and who will have access to those future more advanced capabilities at scale.
Great first video to see by you. You're a great teacher. Subbed and will be checking out more videos by you. I'm a little sketched by the name of your channel, the word enlightement has loaded vibes to me, but I didn't get that from what you said so I'll just ignore that.
So glad I listened to the end.
Great work Ashley, excellent presentation and thinking. Btw, if you don’t mind me saying, your dress reminds me of The Matrix.
Hi Ashley, love your work. How is your image of the Dragon similar to or different from Nate Hagen’s concept of the super-organism?
Exactly I was thinking that! The Chinese dragon of myth is deliberately a composite creature...a mixed model if you will.
Our old models are dying, but dangerously taking us & current ecosystems with them.
Let's befriend the luck dragon of one myth before it turns into the end of times ten headed dragon of another.
Thanks for asking this! Here is my video follow-up to your question: th-cam.com/video/u0PVGFpRtJM/w-d-xo.html
This felt a bit wordy to me. I believe we are all playing the same RPG. Everyone has a different objective. The dice do different things for different players, and some players get more dice and more rolls while others get maybe only a single die and single roll per turn. The game "wants" to be played. Therefore it offers many different ways of playing and potential outcomes. I'm not sure you could say that it has a desire outside of its own existence though.
I was thinking about bad actors. I can believe that politics is mostly people with good intentions and things go wrong from misunderstanding game theory incentives of the decisions they make. But it doesn't take many bad actors in positions of power to cause a lot of fuckery. How could anyone ever know if they are dealing with a bungled set of good intentions or intentional misdeeds?
With so much power being conentrated into these positions, doesn't it make sense that sociopathic people would naturally seek them out? Politics is mostly based on convincing people you have a certain set of values. That incentivizes the rise of skillful liars. The system attracts and rewards people that want power from the population.
The only alternative I can imagine is some form of contest that proves competency. I'm talking tests, ways of proving in real-time that they have complex systems thinking ability, can make difficult decisions in stressful moments, etc. The current system is based on creating an image of all that without ever having to prove it. Most voters go on vibes, not a deep understanding of policy and the voting history of that politician. We believe too easily.
The part around 18:45 got me thinking about Ken Wilber's holon concept. It's not great at describing the weave, but it's good reminder of one level of the complexity we're dealing with. That everything is simultaneously a whole made of parts and part of many larger systems. I'm not describing it well.
Our individual sense of self emerges from interaction with others. The idea of the self as some isolated rock that grows like a fully programmed seed without needing anything from outside is false. They did some messed up experiments on chimps, raised them in the dark without social contact and then impregnated her and she tore apart the baby because she had no social reflection growing up. No self\other game for her to grow from. I hate scientists sometimes, they have done so many horrible things in the name of discovery. Seems like we could wait and figure out a better way eventually, but no, torture millions of animals in many horrifying ways instead.
Interesting channel. You seem to be individual focused in your fields of theory used in analyses, but I was wondering if you have or are also considering the wider collective and social aspects of self-identity (class) and how such perspectives may interact and interfere with game theory like thinking. I'm curious if you have or will intend to cover theories like Laclau and Mouffe's Hegemony and Discourse which is what first comes to mind for me as what might balance out the perspective provided in your great video
Sounds like a Dragon going in circles
Political Economy is an important topic to learn to help improve the world.
Synthesis. I was just talking last night about all the different game theory in democracy. It's literally different realities when people vote for different ideals from state, national to global. There's no room for bioregions a watershed or ocean health in all the arguing.
Again, thank you
No blue/Red pills tonight guys
I’ve got faith in Ashley and I’m sure she’ll be offering us the matrix to everyone in the next few weeks 🔥👍😂🤷♂️😃👍
But you know how to deliver this to people in a helpful manner
Fair play to you.
Can’t wait for Moloch Baal
Isnt Moloch just the dragon from a different angle?
From the body (biological, cultural, and physical) MEANS to SUBJECTIVITY
"a gut feeling " ~ psychological
Money moves through S.A.R.M as a virus moves through the dragon
ACTIVITIES to MEANS
EMBODIMENT
SUBJECTIVITY ACTIVITIES
DRAGON
MEANS. RELATIONSHIPS
Money is the blood of the dragon
Kewl!
Puppets for Philosophy and Philosophy for Puppets
Lol
Better than a WH 40k world. Any real love of wisdom suggestions
This is not really about game theory
Iam not a gamer
Oh man, that shirt is disturbing. Apologies though.
I think its perfect - it reminds me of the matrix she is illuminating!
🧞 Thanks 🧞
🐉 Marxism 🐉
🧚🧞🧜
You are pretty