It's so strange to me that people can brutally kill someone for doing something they believe is wrong as though murder is not the worst sin and crime possible. I will never understand that.
Mate my uncle was a gardener at his house, he once said to me that when he was at his store room which was under the place where he was killed, he was about to go to sleep and he heard the screams of the two person. He played it off thinking that we’re getting busy, but the truth is that they were drunk, when they tried to run away from the pool and into the house, he killed them and discarded the knife away in my uncles trash place, his knife was laced with rubber for a better grip, he told my uncle that he was going to do it, but he never thought that the words he was speaking would become a reality💀
it is maybe easy to understand why people should believe something that is not true, and be willing to kill for it, because people are blinded by their own insecurities.
Brutally kill someone as opposed to softly killing people? Like denying people the necessities of life, to force them into destroying their own health.. for a political cause? *wear a mask; we’re all in this together* 🤔 I’ll tell you what society is engaged in right now it’s murder, softly. Government officials might be responsible for the ruling but the middle class delivers the rules brutally. *soft kills* is killing, nonetheless.
I'm white. but i'm always surprised by the colonialists. How do you go into somebody else's home and take the best view, the house, the voice, the government. I'll never understand it. I humble myself before going into any country. Maybe we are more evolved now to respect everybody but...I don't know. Just...strange
It was a different world so what we would not do today was not questioned in the past. Land grab and dictatorship from other empires (such as the Romans) was worse! Many places benefitted from the education and medical aid that was brought to their countries.
White colonialism is just the tip of the iceberg if we look at history. Millions of white people themselves were enslaved and colonized by the Romans. But white people more than made up for their colonialism by introducing the native populations to western medicine, food technology, transport, information technology and by combating cannablism, homophobia, sexism, etc.
That is an argument for having no legal system, no judges, no prisons. EDIT. If you’re going to bring the Bible into it, yes the Bible is against murder and it is also against homosexuality.
Yup and some people forget that God knows it's the flesh that sins, not the soul that is converted when we get saved. Therefore God still loves the person even though he doesn't like the behavior.
@@Woodman-Spare-that-tree so who said he should kill them???? Thing is peoplemake religion be the reason why they judge and kill others yet they forget they are human and sinners
You could take that verse as a right to kill but then thy shall not kill also is said. Yes God is the one to judge but you must judge also or ye shall be judged for not judging but it has to be righteous. God only cares about what in your heart.
He read the bible over and over, but he must have missed that "though shall not kill" part! How incredible that people like him think that by breaking a commandment they are somehow right! How incredibly crazy!
He still should've been CONVICTED in my opinion.... That guy chased two people down and it wasn't enough to murder John & Greg, but then to behead them as well???? But God told him to both judge them and murder them
@@uriituw simple God's commandments state : 1) "you will love your neighbor as yourself " If you love your neighbor as yourself , you do not commit acts of violence against them. 2)" Do to others as you would have them do to you" - self explanatory . 3) "you will not murder" the unlawful taking of a persons life is an abomination before God ; no unrepentent murderer will see or be a part of God's Kingdom. The young man broke 3 commandments of God, thats why God will not honor this young man's actions .
This is just heartbreaking. RIP John and Greg. My condolences to their families. Justice was not served in this case. He knew exactly what he was doing, he used the bible as an excuse to commit murder. The bible says, "Thou shall not kill," it also says, "We are not to judge others." This was a great tribute to his brother and the documentary was beautifully done.
The bible also clearly states that if a man lies with another man, he should be killed! There are so many evil verses in the bible that inspire people to do evil to others..... slavery inspired by the bible .... raping of slaves= inspired by bible..... killing of ist born children= inspired bible..... stoning adulterous women = bible (just to mention a few)..... and your Jesus wasn't all about love *Matthew 10vs34 says it all . Why are you making excuses for the evil context of the bible that has inspired so many people to bring miserly on others? TAKE AWAY THE BIBLE AND JOHN AND GREG WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN MURDERED! he was found NOT GUILTY by reasons of insanity (atleast this part is true) the bible makes people insane , so does the Quran and many other related religious doctrines. If you friend carry that book, and believe in its words, then yare equally INSANE!!!
@@gravegirl the original Hebrew text said man shall not lie with boy. It didn't mean homosexuality is a sin, it says pedophilia is a sin. People following the Bible are living their life based off an ancient game of "telephone" that was perverted over and over by terrible people who wanted to have a scapegoat for their bad behavior
What a beautifully and sensitively done documentary around the deaths of these two men an of the events of Fiji and how they played a part. A loving tribute from a brother.
Yes, S M, I was struck by the strength & bravery with which John's brother gave the eulogy. He did not waver. I am impressed, inspired & amazed. If it had been my brother, I would not have been able to stop the flow of tears.
@@twistoffate4791 I lost my second son almost five years ago. I was a mess until his funeral. I had written a poem to honour him and to do justice to who he was more than what he did. I was so calm when I read it, I was strong and spoke clearly and with pride and love. I did it for him, to show my love. To be honoured. It’s amazing what you can do at such a time.
@@sm3296 I am SO SORRY to read of the loss of your son. I don't know how you have held up since, but it must be a part of the same inner strength that fueled the calm you had when you spoke at his service. Peace be with you.
@@twistoffate4791 thank you for your kind words, its been a difficult time for sure, I have a new granddaughter who is everything to me. This has helped me so much. Have a lovely day and stay well. 😊
A very impartial documentary - very honest, truthful and accurate. What a waste of a lovely man. I was a young bank officer at the Westpac Bank in the early to late 80's and he was always polite and friendly when he would come into the bank. We were all so shocked and saddened by his sudden death. RIP John.
Wow this documentary was incredibly well done! Getting input from so many sides including Apete’s family was incredible. Few things keep my attention past 10 minutes but this had me hooked until the end. Thank you for this incredible journey. I am so sorry for the loss of these two beautiful men.
What a beautiful human being Owen Scott is. It tugged at the heartstrings to watch him interact with the family of his brother's murderer, his speech at the funeral, and to ultimately be so compassionate towards Apete. He exhibits the best of the fundamental old-school British values of respect and tolerance I've come to cherish about our former colonial masters. A Methodist through and through. God bless you, Owen. Hope I can get hold the book.
I don’t blame them flaring up because of the Indians. Don’t allow them to govern over the Fijians. Do you think those Fijians could go to India and get the top job ruling over the Indians?
The father seemed proud of what his son has done. Consoling himself by stating that he asked for forgiveness; he didn't and may never consider John and his partner, as true victims (or men)! If all of us reacted like this years later about a 'now-perceived' act of coercion and unwanted attention, Lord help us all. Beautifully narrated and logically flowing of events; a true gem of documentary evidence. 💯💜💚💙
Wow really ... it's amazing how stupidly narrow-minded people can become ... yeah for sure Lord this individual needs your help ... what comes out your mouth applies to you first ... it's a bible principle ... treat others the way you want to be treated ... view others the way you want to be viewed ... free speech no worries there ... but to suggest Apete father seemed proud of his son actions ... "disturbed ramblings of a disturbed mind on your part" ... look I do apologize if it (seems like) I'm over reacting here ... we hope you don't find yourself in a similar situation ... I just cannot fathom a Christian father to be proud of his son ... hacking and beheading these two individuals to death ... even if Apetee father himself knew that his son seems to think it was justified ... The fact that he (the father) mentioned Apetee asked for forgiveness to me ... clearly suggest otherwise ... that he understood his sons action cannot be justified without asking God for forgiveness ... no-doubt Apete is guilty of murder guilty of insanity... guilty of his own shame ... sexually groomed into a corner of his own making ... an eye for an eye ... the embarrassment of being cornered pinned down with an option of which he regretted ... that's what I believe in viewing this ... and decided to be the vengeful angel of death ... to protect himself and others ... don't want to be officially tagged as a homosexual ... wanting again to be a figure of influence to be known as a good man ... as his father was and grandfather ... good honest Christian men ... they where all victims of this tragedy ... Apete knew he did wrong ... but firmly believed he was guided by God in justifying it ... the question is did God forgive him ... despite the guilt despite the insanity ... he seems to believe so ... and I believe God accepted his request ... as an observation ... tell me how can God deny it ... if it's real repentance ... even though he believed his actions were justified ... mercy is above the law ... We know those who are not accustomed with religious matters ... will see this as insanely delusional ... and it is ... but this is how God works ... in putting a stop too it ... in going any further where it concerns Apete personally ... for any Christian who is a follower of Christ!!! Paul does teach our sins of the past are dealt with ... when repented of ... Apete family i'm sure where caught by surprise ... few years later a documentary ... we are told to let go of the past and press ahead as Christians forgetting the past ... mainly the emotional trauma of the experience ... and the best way is to forgive and ask for forgiveness it's bible instructions that helps us to move on to carry on ... God is unable to forgive those who cannot forgive themselves and others ... unwilling to overlook a justified position where there is potential for peace and harmony with everyone involved and ourselves of course ... Apete family I grantee you were very much reluctant to be part of the documentary at first ... in wanting to review the past again ... many Christian Polynesian families are like this regardless of how big the problem is ... why do you want to bring up the pass ... I'm sure they went ahead with it ... despite being caught of balance after allot of prayers ... however the documentary itself ... was a true gem as you said ... for it helped me specially as a Christian ... to better see this horrendously sad story from every angle possible ... Maranatha!!!
@@italiantraditionalcatholic2390 ... any sin ... what does justification by faith mean with you ... you cannot separate Law from Grace it works together not against each other ... (ONLY" ... if the individual repent in confessing his sins ... ... as a Roman Catholic ... me being a Protestant ... same bible ... however different foundation (interpretation) ... different methods of (dealing with repentance) ... yes no doubt God does not condone any sin ... 10 commandments very clear ... thou shalt not kill ... we believe in the same principle different methods of dealing with it ... Apetee =(under Civil law) ... still falls under God's jurisdiction ... the Fiji Islands and most Pacific Islands are Christian nations part of the Commonwealth ... ... "The Court finds the Accused Apete Bauleka Vakananumi Kaisau (not guilty) of murder by reasons of insanity " = 1: 07min ... he got off easy ... to many minds (voices) in his head ... he knew what he was planning to do was wrong ... ... "The Minister speaking - 'he (Apete) said it was the voice of God ... but there are many voices talking to us every day Apetee was not able to discern which voice and he took that ... the logical aspect of ... from the old testament and if somebody was behaving this way he need to be done away with = 1: 05min ... ... Obviously God cannot contradict His own words ... His own Laws ... nor does he condone it ... for this is where the part of "INSANITY COMES IN" ... Apete realized under the NT teaching of Christ (His blood his sacrifice covers ours sins) he will not be cleared or justified of (HIS ACTIONS) ... as a professed follower of Christ ... ... but under the OT Laws he could he believes = a blood sacrifice is required ... in his (own mind) Apete believed he did the right thing according to the voice of (god) ... with a little g ... which god ... Question: Apete did ask for forgiveness ... but did he (repent) ... why would he (repent) if he believed he did the right think ... Question: Do you think God will forgive him ... as we said (only if his repentance is real) ... did he repent ... why would he ... he made himself clear with everyone his position ... Maranatha!!! Ps: I believe we may have some how arrived to the same conclusion ...
... the only thing wrong here is your stupidity ... a documentary filmed a few years later ... after the court case ... you must of missed the part where this was the second time the two families came together ... as in believing both families have already crossed that threshold ...
@@texasktea ... wait a minute ... what was the right thing to do ... and who is they ... in regards to what ... seriously ... hold on there Texas the jokes on you ... there are people out there who believe this crap ... unfortunately ahhh well ...
Yeh i was a bit disconcerted when she (the mum) met him (the brother) for the first time since the court and said how great it was etc but just posed for the camera rather than look into the face of the man whose brother was killed by her son
@@ruthycantfail ... yeah leave the family out of this ... their son's crime his crime had nothing to do with the family ... the son is 100% guilty of allowing himself to be groomed by these two men ... and he just couldn't bear the shame of living with that guilt of being groomed ... not happy he used the bible as a excuse ... believing it was the voice of God ... who gave him the authority to do it ... as a Christian myself that is absolutely ridiculous ... the bible says "thou shall not kill ... the minister said to him ... which voice ... the son was just as guilty of allowing himself to participate in the act ... he deserved to do (time) for his crime ...
so so sad this has happened. Two people living their lives with so much to give without harming a soul ends up being the enemy baffles me. Then to use God as bypass to justify the murder. Did he not read thou shalt not kill????? He's not insane just pure evil. RIP John and Greg.
If you’ve read The Bible you’ll know that it says “thou shalt not kill” and “thou shalt not murder” in different parts of The Bible. The Bible was written by for example Jesus hence the differing interpretations of what’s acceptable. It’s acceptable to kill in self defence and you have a partial defence if you’re provoked, you’re insane or suffering from diminished responsibility. However, it’s never acceptable to murder in cold blood.
I meant to say The Bible wasn’t written by Jesus for example hence why there are differing interpretations of what’s acceptable. Some say it’s never acceptable to kill but if you’re acting in self defence it’s not murder so it is acceptable to kill.
He acted upon the alleged 'god's words.... take away the bible and its foolish instructions from a 'god', John and greg would still be alive..... STOP MAKING EXCUSES!
Let this documentary be a symbol of change and acceptance not only for sexuality, but also acceptance for race and religion. In the end we all are humans we might speak different languages and have different ideas and cultures, but we all are human. I am white a hetero male and I don't have a religion I truly believe in, other then the religion of humanity.
@Leona Goro Man I was poor, my family was poor and yet me and little brother went to college so cut the "unfortunate" crap. You couldn't get it because you can't spell.
The question is did Apete felt himself as attractred by men, and then became completely lost and upset, and decided to get revenge on what he felt were responsible for his dinner thoughts? It's a really sad story for all involved.
He was/is a closet homosexual and that’s why he did this. In my experience it’s always the homophob’s who are the gayest ones. I’ve literally seen it with my own eyes.
@@tabaskosweet7866 That is my experience as well. And yeah, I have seen it too, sadly. I dont trust any guys anymore, as soon as guy says they are "religious", I just block them on the dating apps.
Wow . Suffered today as stayed up watching till the early hours this morning . So very interesting . Footage of Fiji from years gone by was amazing . Have shared this doco with family and friends . Read the book “deep beyond the reef” which is based on this same story . Read the last couple chapters as I was flying into my beautiful Fiji . Cried as I read . Such a tragic story on both sides . There were no winners. Made me long for my home , Fiji my beautiful Fiji 🇫🇯
I’ll be going to the library for the book you recommend. I feel horrible about how this has turned out. There are no winners here....... you are absolutely correct.
RIP John and Greg! The documentary was done so well! What a beautiful tribute to your brother and family. Violence is NEVER okay and I don't know if Justice was served. So sorry for your loss.
So sad. I watch a lot of true crime, and am to a degree immune to it. This one, at the end, made me weep for the tragedy and waste. God bless John and Greg, they lived with courage, authenticity and with hearts that were open to the vulnerability of others. Their light shines on.
@@glamdolly30 God and Christianity are warped. Nothing good or necessary about either one. No one needs a God or a religion that says to kill homosexual people.
MATTHEW 7: 1- 5 Rest in peace John and Greg. We shall all stand before God someday and give an account of how we treated our fellow brothers and sisters on earth.
... I believe he was sexually groomed into a position of guilt and shame ... he was a victim of his own guilt and shame ... (guilty of murder as well) ... and for not following bible instructions when dealing with our sins ... very sad for both families ... somewhat appalling some negative comments towards his parents ... who have absolutely no bearing on the situation ... his mother was simply explaining how Apete viewed his position ... not obligated to show remorse or to reach out for forgiveness for the sake of their son ... a few years have passed by between the families I'm sure that was resolved back then ... they are not on trial ... he decided to take matters into his own hands that's the issue ... whose voice was guiding him ... your right he thought this would absolve him of his demons ... he no doubt asked God to forgive him for it ... I wonder if it achieved the goal Apete was looking for ... Fijian natives despite being a more conservative community is no saint when it comes to promiscuity ... as with every country ... homosexuality is less tolerant but tolerated ... and obviously frowned upon ... as with most countries ... but here a few small islands in the Pacific ... it seems to me that Apete because of his guilt ... had decided to become the vengeful angel of death ... in keeping everything in check ... it would seem that way ... as I believe how he saw it ... he needed to protect himself ... he needed to protect others ... sadly a blood sacrifice that needed (not) to be made ... as he saw it ... for vengeance is mine saith the Lord!!!
@@jasminejones9937 absolutely. It was hinted at in not so subtle ways throughout the documentary. I came away thinking what is left unsaid in the documentary actually screamed loudest. The 'risque parties', which sounded more like orgies, and taking advantage of the poverty of the teenagers (Apete was practically a teen when he started hanging out with John and Greg, who came across as paedophiles) and grooming them in order to exploit them sexually in 'threesomes', then discarding them when they were no longer useful to them, as happened to Apete. His animosity was triggered when he saw John on TV, and all the pent-up hatred and shame he kept hidden surfaced like a tsunami and it overwhelmed him. The documentary was all the more remarkable because Owen, John's brother, participated in this narrative.
My thought is that Apete was a latent homosexual and used organized religion as an excuse to destroy 2 lives. He should be in jail. So disturbing - my heart goes out to the brother having to deal with the aftermath. What a nightmare.
No one has the right to kill, even though their sexual orientation is different from others. Only God, who is our Creator, will be the judge of what we do on this world.
Excellent biographical history of Fiji encompassing a story of brutality emanating out of religious fanaticism. Well told with great compassion and understanding.
The Haunting call of ones home no matter what sorrows or horrors we have known there, is always present . I hope Fiji was not forever spoiled for him by Apetes terrible acts.
Fiona Cahill, I fully appreciate the way you stated sentiments of home, for better or worse. Without that, if the sorrow of a tragedy is too much to bear, the floating without the anchor is unsettling.
@@twistoffate4791 Thank you, and yes I believe we all need to feel tethered to a place or person that is home for us. The big world gets cold & unfriendly at times & its good to know we have a safe place, even if its in our memories. 💚
Apete was likely a closet homosexual who was able to indulge at the Scott house and later felt self hatred due to his religious upbringing. Also, it is interesting to show a Mormon temple while discussing Methodists. Methodists have hated Mormons since the inception of Mormonism in the mid 1800’s. There were murders of Mormons by these Christians. And of course, Mormons murdered Methodists later on. Only religion has the capacity to make otherwise sensible people act in murderous ways and justify their killings in the name of God.
The grandfather was NOT at fault. He had been highly respected. Somewhere his own son went wrong and did not live according to Gods plan for us. This no doubt affected his sons. And his first wife. John made his own choices. We do not know what they were. We do not know how John and Greg treated Apete. We do not know how this affected Apete. It’s unfortunate he ever worked for them. He might have had to much to bear for a fragile mind. And believe me wherever you find a group of true Godly people you will find Satan will do all he can to destroy,,, including the memory of his grandfather. The ones involved in this documentary FORGAVE that is obvious. There is more to this story than you or I know. This story’s message is TO FORGIVE. If you forgive a little,you will have a little peace,If you FORGIVE totally and leave the matter with God you will find PEACE. If only more of us could learn to do that. Cynicism,David, creates bitterness.
Sounds like religious zealotry mixed with racial/sexual identity and tribal pride if not jealousy. It's hard to say why people murder though - it's often just an animal emotion that erupts. Booze may have fueled it - it often does.
This tragic story has taught me a lot about the history of I Fidji. Here, once again it is laid bare the evil of humans, using both colonialism as well as religion as their tools to gain power over other people. .
Thank you Nina for mentioning that part of the documentary. It really stood out for me. The murders were evil, but the majority of the comments here appear to see nothing wrong with the evils of colonialism, just the murders of people who look like them. I scrolled down the comment section to see if one person would bring your point up and felt a bit of satisfaction that at least one person felt as I do.
Who are we to judge anyone? We are not God so how dare him think he was ! I’m sick by this! Now he will be judged by God one day and God sees all!! God bless them all!
I still think there must be a bit of evil in you to be able to kill someone, whether you think they are wrong or not. I can't imagine any anger enough for me to be able to end someone's life..... Especially in such a brutal way. I think the only thing that could trigger me is someone murdering someone close to me and wanting revenge.... But I still don't know if I could do it. I hope I never get it find out though!
I've always had a problem when a christian group invades another culture that didn't have anything to do with Christianity but had their own beliefs and spirituality. And there is nothing wrong with what indigenous people believe in! And it's so sad to see many indigenous people lose their spirituality and way of life!
@Heather Fellows Christ gave the Great Cmmision to "go forth and teach all nations" Christianity is to be like Jesus , show others his teaching in love. Judgement belongs to God, murder is not Christianity!
@@lilnoni671 yes maybe Jesus and Christ did not teach murder but the people who categorized themselves as christian did this. Allot. If you read about the history of Christianity, they did not "preach" their intentions, they "force" their beliefs in others. Many died yet the Vatican didn't even acknowledge it. Seriously Christianity and ISIS is very similar except ISIS is very vulgar about their intentions and Christianity isn't.
They are casting colonizers in a very positive light. A little longer and the British would have colonized the entire planet. So much blood on their hands!
I felt that too.. i think at some point, it was mentioned, and I am paraphrasing, that the native Fijians liked being colonised?! Maybe I misheard. Still, it's a tragedy what happened to the two men.
@Floyd1504 historians are not magically immune to propaganda or misinformation. also whether or not the beitish were comparitovely kind colonial masters doesn't change the harm colonialism does.
@Floyd1504 oh please, spare us the propaganda. If you really are a historian you're a crappy one. And this is coming from someone who has an art history degree.
People need to understand that the "Old Testament" portion of the Bible was superseded by the NEW TESTAMENT. The "New Testament" of the Bible is about the Life Of Christ. The New Testament was a "game changer" from the previous portion of the Bible. With the arrival of Christ: there were TWO highly important requirements for people to please God and live a Christ-like life. The TWO MOST IMPORTANT LESSONS for people who wish to be Christians are: 1. FOLLOW THE TEN COMMANDMENTS 2. FOLLOW THE TEACHINGS OF CHRIST, AND THE EXAMPLES OF HIS LIFE. Nowhere in the New Testament, The Ten Commandments, or The Teachings and Example of Christ is hate, violence, or murder condoned. While it is true that there are many Denominations of Churches......NO TRUE CHRISTIAN IS RELIEVED OF THE OBLIGATION OF FOLLOWING THE TEN COMMANDMENTS....OR IGNORING THE TEACHINGS AND EXAMPLE OF CHRIST. NO WRITINGS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT ARE AN EXCUSE TO GO AGAINST THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT TEACHINGS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT. THE TEN COMMANDMENTS AND THE TEACHINGS OF CHRIST MUST BE FOLLOWED BY ALL CHRISTIANS. For those who struggle with "belief systems": no matter who you are.....the Ten Commandments are excellent rules to live by......and the teachings of Christ provide excellent guidance to live a peaceful life. The New Testament is about LOVE and seeking PEACE for ALL. It is NEVER about HATE. .
But Jesus never said that he came to supersede the old rules, but to enforce them, and just added on to them. Also, if God was perfect, why would he need to change his own rules. Look, I don't mind someone believing in god, but it's dishonest to think that these people aren't Christians just because they have different values and interpretations than you.
So why are both the New and Old Testaments still part of bibles even today then? Surely if the latter was 'superseded' all that hateful nonsense involving judgemental unrighteous killing and punishment for these 'sins' should have been omitted long ago. Move the goalposts all you want, Christianity can be as fundamentalist as any other religion.
This Preacher Man is truly enlightened and true to Higher Power Spirit. It is refreshing every time camera goes to hear his words. They are the words of understanding and real knowledge. He knows the murder was wrong and people are confused by it. Praise him for sharing his intelligence and education to this documentary. Very excellent and so very interesting documentary. Thank you for sharing this with us. People don't have the right to murder others, but if the Upper Class Men with their togetherness, home solid, and constant in a relationship brought Apete(sp?) into this as another aspect of relationship that is wrong on so many levels. Especially because he would always be an outsider to that complete and living together relationship, but they were somehow involving him in it all. This would definitely cause angst, fear, shame, degradation, madness at times for a person hoping to be really included. They had everything, and to toy with someone who was the opposite of that is irresponsible and dangerous. Though Apete had a loving family, his country, and his culture it could look to him like those men messing with him in any way had cheated him and belittled him as if he was nothing compared to them. It was callous and disregarding of their status for two men in a solid loving relationship to behave in this manner. It's a shame Apete didn't seem to really have his faith in God to lean on because God won't be telling you to hack up two people if you are wronged. There is definite delusion or pure rage there. Doesn't mean it needed to turn out the way it did, but it certainly meant that they were risking it could turn out the way it did if they involved Apete intimately in their relationship. They and all of us need to be aware that we must be smart enough to realize that. These men certainly had the ability to know better. All 3 of them did, because toying with men is dangerous and wrong, murder is the same. It's all a great tragedy for everyone involved, and all of us experiencing it also through this important film work of what happened, So sad.
When Jr. said my father was a good Christian I understood right away the reason of the killings. Double Moral always comes with a double Sharp edges. Living and walking like Kings among the poorest won't last forever.
I hope he supported those "illegitimate" children both with love and financially.. it would be extremely shameful and immoral to impregnate young women from an impoverished country then abandon the fatherly duties
How do you know the young women involved were impoverished? Please do not think that indigenous people are “ poor” by your own standards of what that word. means. As for glossing over that part of this story, as some viewer put it:, about “ illegitimate” children, that simp,y was not done with disrespect in my opinion.. The documentary was clearly faithful to the MAIN characters . To have lots of sub plots and extraneous characters, as it were, would make the tale .endless! I happen to be British born and raised.Living in the United States since I was a young adult. Like the characters in this documentary, my own history is knitted together between two nations. In my case, the United Kingdom and the United States. Both have my heart. Both nations are my home. If I were to write my biography, the cast of characters would include only those most central to my life story and development. But I would not have tine , or space, to include every far reaching individual I rubbed shoulders with, or those whom had a relationship with one of my ancestors. My humble opinion!
But Fiji didn't ask your grandfather to bring his religion and take whatever else on their island that he wanted. It's sad his brother was murdered but think of how these people have colonized the entire world nobody's buying your grandfather went there in peace in the name of religion. I'm not.
that is a metaphor...not a literal "sword"...Jesus meant that his teachings would outrage the Pharisees and the Jewish establishment and led to hatred against him and his followers.
Just as proper context enrages those in sheeps clothing throwing the stone of subjective ( and, therefore, contextually unfair and invalid) comparison.
I appreciate this comprehensive documentary. Such a shame that the whole globe still practices hateful acts in some form or fashion against people minding their own business. And it continues to be ok and not regularly served with proper ramifications🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️John and Greg you will never be forgotten🌈🌈😢💚
I wish the film had identified the mysterious woman in the bikini, in the still photos at he beginning. And Owen had reunited with any "illegitimate" brothers and sisters, he was rumored to have had. But obviously that wasn't in the scope of this documentary.
So sad. John and Greg liked this young and treated him well. They would never have imagined what Apete had in store for them when he returned. I think Apete had a psychotic break or schizporenia got him. Terrible terrible tragedy. But portrayed so beautifully on screen. Havnt watched it all yet, they are doing the funeral bit and Im feeling a bit teary eyed. Will carry on. Yes I think they got the sentencing right. I hope he is never released.
It is quite an interesting phenomena. I would like to see what research has been done to explain this, if there is any. My opinion is it has to do with fear. They were convinced that the God was real, so even after their release, they still believe that and fear the God's wrath.
Its called brain washed its a phenomena that has happened all over the world where the ruling nation stamped their marked on colonized countries (staple nations) from Europe you see some evidence of Roman influence to the south americas with Spanish influence and parts of asia so the marks left behind from these ruling nations often includes religion, language, architecture, music, art, Military Training and Equipments etc.
It's because the missionary work that brought-introduced-taught Christianity was done way before colonialism. It's not the colonialism that brought religion. How do I explain this? Take Nigeria for example and the history of religion. Before colonialism in the late 1800s the people in the south and east region had their traditional beliefs and religions and the Christian missionaries came way before colonialism to preach and do missionary work as well as trade. In the north of today's Nigeria, the people were already introduced to Islam. Christianity and Islam were already practiced in the regions before colonialism of those regions that was later amalgated and called Nigeria in 1914. After Nigeria gained her independence from the British colonialists we still have Christians and Muslims today. The British colonialists weren't Muslims. The colonialists practiced more of assimilation rulership and ruled through chiefs and local rulers. The colonialists rulership style was a bit different in the southern part but that's a lecture for another day. In the same southern-eastern parts it was quite easy to accept and adopt Christianity because the teaching wasn't any different from their own traditional religious beliefs, just a different name. For instance the story of creation was similar in the Igbo and Youruba traditional beliefs. The Adam and Eve was Obi and Nne. So not really any different. Anyway, colonialism is not associated with the religion practiced, so I hope you can understand why those that believe in God and Allah continued to do so after independence
Rest In Peace to the two young men. Condolences to the families and to the brother. I feel justice has not been served, but that’s how it goes in beautiful Fiji and one day he might get his just rewards through one way or the other.
Greg's Mom buried him in her back yard, you see, they were like, really close. I'm pretty sure they weren't wearing rings or married so like don't get your finger caught up in dental floss more than a minute(you might lose a digit)
well said by the younger brother at his brother's funeral. such a sad part of the history of Fiji. Also, the words of the Church Minister explained the different messages in the Old Testament and of Christians. And the lady summation at the end.
It's so strange to me that people can brutally kill someone for doing something they believe is wrong as though murder is not the worst sin and crime possible.
I will never understand that.
Mate my uncle was a gardener at his house, he once said to me that when he was at his store room which was under the place where he was killed, he was about to go to sleep and he heard the screams of the two person. He played it off thinking that we’re getting busy, but the truth is that they were drunk, when they tried to run away from the pool and into the house, he killed them and discarded the knife away in my uncles trash place, his knife was laced with rubber for a better grip, he told my uncle that he was going to do it, but he never thought that the words he was speaking would become a reality💀
it is maybe easy to understand why people should believe something that is not true, and be willing to kill for it, because people are blinded by their own insecurities.
@b- dubz child rape is arguably more heinous than murder
@b- dubz you missed my point, which was that Christian churches are institutional paedophilia organisations.
Brutally kill someone as opposed to softly killing people? Like denying people the necessities of life, to force them into destroying their own health.. for a political cause? *wear a mask; we’re all in this together* 🤔 I’ll tell you what society is engaged in right now it’s murder, softly. Government officials might be responsible for the ruling but the middle class delivers the rules brutally. *soft kills* is killing, nonetheless.
I'm white. but i'm always surprised by the colonialists. How do you go into somebody else's home and take the best view, the house, the voice, the government. I'll never understand it. I humble myself before going into any country. Maybe we are more evolved now to respect everybody but...I don't know. Just...strange
Modern colonialism was dominated by white people but it was a pretty standard way of expansion for centuries, by all countries. It's pretty awful.
Sad sad sad. We still feel the hurt to date.
I think sometimes we should see what good came of it too instead of dwelling on the bad that cannot be changed.
It was a different world so what we would not do today was not questioned in the past. Land grab and dictatorship from other empires (such as the Romans) was worse! Many places benefitted from the education and medical aid that was brought to their countries.
White colonialism is just the tip of the iceberg if we look at history. Millions of white people themselves were enslaved and colonized by the Romans. But white people more than made up for their colonialism by introducing the native populations to western medicine, food technology, transport, information technology and by combating cannablism, homophobia, sexism, etc.
Some people take the Bible as an excuse to commit murder...I am a Christian, the Bible says we are not to judge others, God is the one that judges.
That is an argument for having no legal system, no judges, no prisons. EDIT. If you’re going to bring the Bible into it, yes the Bible is against murder and it is also against homosexuality.
Yup and some people forget that God knows it's the flesh that sins, not the soul that is converted when we get saved. Therefore God still loves the person even though he doesn't like the behavior.
@@Woodman-Spare-that-tree so who said he should kill them???? Thing is peoplemake religion be the reason why they judge and kill others yet they forget they are human and sinners
You could take that verse as a right to kill but then thy shall not kill also is said. Yes God is the one to judge but you must judge also or ye shall be judged for not judging but it has to be righteous. God only cares about what in your heart.
The OLd Testament is Not Christianity , Christianity is IN .. Only Mathew,Mark and Luke and John . I believe ..
He read the bible over and over, but he must have missed that "though shall not kill" part! How incredible that people like him think that by breaking a commandment they are somehow right! How incredibly crazy!
God doesn't honor actions like this young man committed.
He still should've been CONVICTED in my opinion.... That guy chased two people down and it wasn't enough to murder John & Greg, but then to behead them as well???? But God told him to both judge them and murder them
@@berenlevia8486 How do you know?
@@uriituw simple God's commandments state :
1) "you will love your neighbor as yourself "
If you love your neighbor as yourself , you do not commit acts of violence against them.
2)" Do to others as you would have them do to you" - self explanatory .
3) "you will not murder" the unlawful taking of a persons life is an abomination before God ; no unrepentent murderer will see or be a part of God's Kingdom.
The young man broke 3 commandments of God, thats why God will not honor this young man's actions .
@@berenlevia8486 Demonstrate that any of that is true.
This is just heartbreaking. RIP John and Greg. My condolences to their families. Justice was not served in this case. He knew exactly what he was doing, he used the bible as an excuse to commit murder. The bible says, "Thou shall not kill," it also says, "We are not to judge others." This was a great tribute to his brother and the documentary was beautifully done.
The bible also clearly states that if a man lies with another man, he should be killed! There are so many evil verses in the bible that inspire people to do evil to others..... slavery inspired by the bible .... raping of slaves= inspired by bible..... killing of ist born children= inspired bible..... stoning adulterous women = bible (just to mention a few)..... and your Jesus wasn't all about love *Matthew 10vs34 says it all . Why are you making excuses for the evil context of the bible that has inspired so many people to bring miserly on others? TAKE AWAY THE BIBLE AND JOHN AND GREG WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN MURDERED! he was found NOT GUILTY by reasons of insanity (atleast this part is true) the bible makes people insane , so does the Quran and many other related religious doctrines. If you friend carry that book, and believe in its words, then yare equally INSANE!!!
@@cynthia87918 l agree with you 100% religion was and still is a tool to control, manipulate and exploit people.l hope people wake up eventually!
@@siakatsoli2911 thanks mate. ... amazing how some humans choose to be slaves in this day n age
@@cynthia87918 Jesus is your savior you are thoroughly confused and missrepresenting the bible.. hope you find Jesus before you die
@@gravegirl the original Hebrew text said man shall not lie with boy. It didn't mean homosexuality is a sin, it says pedophilia is a sin. People following the Bible are living their life based off an ancient game of "telephone" that was perverted over and over by terrible people who wanted to have a scapegoat for their bad behavior
This man has taken two lives brutally. He is a criminal and should be behind bars for the rest of his disgraceful life.
It was a first offence though.
@@hicmad Only the first murder, not the second.
@@hicmad first offense of murder… should they wait until the second, third, or fourth person he kills?
What a beautifully and sensitively done documentary around the deaths of these two men an of the events of Fiji and how they played a part. A loving tribute from a brother.
Yes, S M, I was struck by the strength & bravery with which John's brother gave the eulogy. He did not waver. I am impressed, inspired & amazed. If it had been my brother, I would not have been able to stop the flow of tears.
@@twistoffate4791 I lost my second son almost five years ago. I was a mess until his funeral. I had written a poem to honour him and to do justice to who he was more than what he did. I was so calm when I read it, I was strong and spoke clearly and with pride and love. I did it for him, to show my love. To be honoured. It’s amazing what you can do at such a time.
@@sm3296 I am SO SORRY to read of the loss of your son. I don't know how you have held up since, but it must be a part of the same inner strength that fueled the calm you had when you spoke at his service. Peace be with you.
@@twistoffate4791 thank you for your kind words, its been a difficult time for sure, I have a new granddaughter who is everything to me. This has helped me so much. Have a lovely day and stay well. 😊
Colonialism caused a lo of problems throughout the world.
She has and still does
The Fijian culture was brutal before colonialism - including cannibalism. A crime is a crime is a crime.
That has nothing to do with this murder of two innocent people.
Yes it did absolutely!!!👍🏻😔
As if the entire world was one big family before colonialism . more liberal Hubris
A very impartial documentary - very honest, truthful and accurate. What a waste of a lovely man. I was a young bank officer at the Westpac Bank in the early to late 80's and he was always polite and friendly when he would come into the bank. We were all so shocked and saddened by his sudden death. RIP John.
He was killed because he was a pedophile
Wow this documentary was incredibly well done! Getting input from so many sides including Apete’s family was incredible. Few things keep my attention past 10 minutes but this had me hooked until the end. Thank you for this incredible journey. I am so sorry for the loss of these two beautiful men.
This documentary is simply brilliant. It’s such a tragic story which covers so many genres. It would make a really fantastic film. RIP John & Greg. 😔
So so sad for both side of the family.
What a beautiful human being Owen Scott is. It tugged at the heartstrings to watch him interact with the family of his brother's murderer, his speech at the funeral, and to ultimately be so compassionate towards Apete. He exhibits the best of the fundamental old-school British values of respect and tolerance I've come to cherish about our former colonial masters. A Methodist through and through. God bless you, Owen. Hope I can get hold the book.
How you can use the words "respect" and "tolerance" to describe colonials is beyond my understanding
@@elisavet6348 He "cherishes" his colonial masters that says a lot. I think this documentary was white washed.
I don’t blame them flaring up because of the Indians. Don’t allow them to govern over the Fijians. Do you think those Fijians could go to India and get the top job ruling over the Indians?
The father seemed proud of what his son has done. Consoling himself by stating that he asked for forgiveness; he didn't and may never consider John and his partner, as true victims (or men)! If all of us reacted like this years later about a 'now-perceived' act of coercion and unwanted attention, Lord help us all. Beautifully narrated and logically flowing of events; a true gem of documentary evidence. 💯💜💚💙
Wow really ... it's amazing how stupidly narrow-minded people can become ... yeah for sure Lord this individual needs your help ... what comes out your mouth applies to you first ... it's a bible principle ... treat others the way you want to be treated ... view others the way you want to be viewed ... free speech no worries there ... but to suggest Apete father seemed proud of his son actions ... "disturbed ramblings of a disturbed mind on your part" ... look I do apologize if it (seems like) I'm over reacting here ... we hope you don't find yourself in a similar situation ... I just cannot fathom a Christian father to be proud of his son ... hacking and beheading these two individuals to death ... even if Apetee father himself knew that his son seems to think it was justified ...
The fact that he (the father) mentioned Apetee asked for forgiveness to me ... clearly suggest otherwise ... that he understood his sons action cannot be justified without asking God for forgiveness ... no-doubt Apete is guilty of murder guilty of insanity... guilty of his own shame ... sexually groomed into a corner of his own making ... an eye for an eye ... the embarrassment of being cornered pinned down with an option of which he regretted ... that's what I believe in viewing this ... and decided to be the vengeful angel of death ... to protect himself and others ... don't want to be officially tagged as a homosexual ... wanting again to be a figure of influence to be known as a good man ... as his father was and grandfather ... good honest Christian men ... they where all victims of this tragedy ... Apete knew he did wrong ... but firmly believed he was guided by God in justifying it ... the question is did God forgive him ... despite the guilt despite the insanity ... he seems to believe so ... and I believe God accepted his request ... as an observation ... tell me how can God deny it ... if it's real repentance ... even though he believed his actions were justified ... mercy is above the law ...
We know those who are not accustomed with religious matters ... will see this as insanely delusional ... and it is ... but this is how God works ... in putting a stop too it ... in going any further where it concerns Apete personally ... for any Christian who is a follower of Christ!!!
Paul does teach our sins of the past are dealt with ... when repented of ... Apete family i'm sure where caught by surprise ... few years later a documentary ... we are told to let go of the past and press ahead as Christians forgetting the past ... mainly the emotional trauma of the experience ... and the best way is to forgive and ask for forgiveness it's bible instructions that helps us to move on to carry on ... God is unable to forgive those who cannot forgive themselves and others ... unwilling to overlook a justified position where there is potential for peace and harmony with everyone involved and ourselves of course ... Apete family I grantee you were very much reluctant to be part of the documentary at first ... in wanting to review the past again ... many Christian Polynesian families are like this regardless of how big the problem is ... why do you want to bring up the pass ... I'm sure they went ahead with it ... despite being caught of balance after allot of prayers ... however the documentary itself ... was a true gem as you said ... for it helped me specially as a Christian ... to better see this horrendously sad story from every angle possible ... Maranatha!!!
@@andystevens3059 that doesn't mean God condones any sin..
@@italiantraditionalcatholic2390 ... any sin ... what does justification by faith mean with you ... you cannot separate Law from Grace it works together not against each other ... (ONLY" ... if the individual repent in confessing his sins ...
... as a Roman Catholic ... me being a Protestant ... same bible ... however different foundation (interpretation) ... different methods of (dealing with repentance) ... yes no doubt God does not condone any sin ... 10 commandments very clear ... thou shalt not kill ... we believe in the same principle different methods of dealing with it ... Apetee =(under Civil law) ... still falls under God's jurisdiction ... the Fiji Islands and most Pacific Islands are Christian nations part of the Commonwealth ...
... "The Court finds the Accused Apete Bauleka Vakananumi Kaisau (not guilty) of murder by reasons of insanity " = 1: 07min ... he got off easy ... to many minds (voices) in his head ... he knew what he was planning to do was wrong ...
... "The Minister speaking - 'he (Apete) said it was the voice of God ... but there are many voices talking to us every day Apetee was not able to discern which voice and he took that ... the logical aspect of ... from the old testament and if somebody was behaving this way he need to be done away with = 1: 05min ...
... Obviously God cannot contradict His own words ... His own Laws ... nor does he condone it ... for this is where the part of "INSANITY COMES IN" ... Apete realized under the NT teaching of Christ (His blood his sacrifice covers ours sins) he will not be cleared or justified of (HIS ACTIONS) ... as a professed follower of Christ ...
... but under the OT Laws he could he believes = a blood sacrifice is required ... in his (own mind) Apete believed he did the right thing according to the voice of (god) ... with a little g ... which god ... Question: Apete did ask for forgiveness ... but did he (repent) ... why would he (repent) if he believed he did the right think ... Question: Do you think God will forgive him ... as we said (only if his repentance is real) ... did he repent ... why would he ... he made himself clear with everyone his position ... Maranatha!!! Ps: I believe we may have some how arrived to the same conclusion ...
Tragic and spell-binding, a fascinating documentary. My heart goes out to all the friends and relatives of John and Greg.
Spellbinding is one word.
@@alext8020 Not in proper British English, dearie!
What vile music
What vile music
@@lynngronnow7892 what a vile comment.
RIP to Scott and his partner Greg. This the manifestation of the
evil of ignorance and cultural and religious intolerance.
@zempath Let's be tolerant... many of them are sick, we have to help, not to kill (the antisocial ones)
The English grandfather brought the christianity that partially drove the man mad enough to kill
Scott... U mean John?
@@BONNYRIGG what’s your point?
@@BONNYRIGG yooo 2168? 😂
Very well made and thought-provoking documentary.
yep...it is thought provoking
....just over a century later......
My sentiments exactly! And the BG music gave me chills of nostalgia!
Agree
@@iamwatshhhh330 ⁷⁷8⁷Ryu
His parents has not once said sorry or showed remorse for what their son did. Everything is wrong here.
Bc they believed it was the right thing to do.
... the only thing wrong here is your stupidity ... a documentary filmed a few years later ... after the court case ... you must of missed the part where this was the second time the two families came together ... as in believing both families have already crossed that threshold ...
@@texasktea ... wait a minute ... what was the right thing to do ... and who is they ... in regards to what ... seriously ... hold on there Texas the jokes on you ... there are people out there who believe this crap ... unfortunately ahhh well ...
Yeh i was a bit disconcerted when she (the mum) met him (the brother) for the first time since the court and said how great it was etc but just posed for the camera rather than look into the face of the man whose brother was killed by her son
@@ruthycantfail ... yeah leave the family out of this ... their son's crime his crime had nothing to do with the family ... the son is 100% guilty of allowing himself to be groomed by these two men ... and he just couldn't bear the shame of living with that guilt of being groomed ... not happy he used the bible as a excuse ... believing it was the voice of God ... who gave him the authority to do it ... as a Christian myself that is absolutely ridiculous ... the bible says "thou shall not kill ... the minister said to him ... which voice ... the son was just as guilty of allowing himself to participate in the act ... he deserved to do (time) for his crime ...
If Apete reads the Bible and believes it what happened to “Thou shall not kill?” Like most, he must pick and choose however he sees fit!
@Marten Dekker The vast majority of Christians understand that.
The Book of Isaiah reminding us that GOD is still the FATHER and JESUS CHRIST is his SON
As do most christians
@@lauranntinialevi8582 how about less murder, that's easier
Exactly what my thoughts were
so so sad this has happened. Two people living their lives with so much to give without harming a soul ends up being the enemy baffles me. Then to use God as bypass to justify the murder. Did he not read thou shalt not kill????? He's not insane just pure evil. RIP John and Greg.
@Lorraine Fryer Can you say "Catholic"? I was raised in that "faith", what a CROCK!!!
If you’ve read The Bible you’ll know that it says “thou shalt not kill” and “thou shalt not murder” in different parts of The Bible. The Bible was written by for example Jesus hence the differing interpretations of what’s acceptable. It’s acceptable to kill in self defence and you have a partial defence if you’re provoked, you’re insane or suffering from diminished responsibility. However, it’s never acceptable to murder in cold blood.
I meant to say The Bible wasn’t written by Jesus for example hence why there are differing interpretations of what’s acceptable. Some say it’s never acceptable to kill but if you’re acting in self defence it’s not murder so it is acceptable to kill.
He acted upon the alleged 'god's words.... take away the bible and its foolish instructions from a 'god', John and greg would still be alive..... STOP MAKING EXCUSES!
God was also wrongly used to justify colonialism, but who cares about that.
John and Greg sounded like beautiful people. Rest In Peace together you two.
What his lying brother did create this documentary
I absolutely agree with you.
May they both Rest In Peace. Amen.
Just wow! This documentary was incredible! Great piece of work!
Let this documentary be a symbol of change and acceptance not only for sexuality, but also acceptance for race and religion. In the end we all are humans we might speak different languages and have different ideas and cultures, but we all are human. I am white a hetero male and I don't have a religion I truly believe in, other then the religion of humanity.
One of the most amazing comments I have ever read on TH-cam!!
I've always said.. my religion is "Be a Moral Citizen "... just have morals.. 👍 I agree with you, reminded me of my religion, figuratively speaking ✔
People who kill other people regardless of any reason should be prosecuted as any criminal who break the law.
Excellent documentary full of very educated and articulate people
You just mean upper class that's all.
@Will G No, just people who went to school and learned how to spell. Unless of course you meant 'we are wealthy!'
@Leona Goro Man I was poor, my family was poor and yet me and little brother went to college so cut the "unfortunate" crap. You couldn't get it because you can't spell.
@Leona Goro oh well, then I guess me and my sister were sooo fortunate since we both graduated university.
Didnt have a single add when I watched it. The story is a tragic, yet all to common theme.
The question is did Apete felt himself as attractred by men, and then became completely lost and upset, and decided to get revenge on what he felt were responsible for his dinner thoughts? It's a really sad story for all involved.
He was/is a closet homosexual and that’s why he did this. In my experience it’s always the homophob’s who are the gayest ones. I’ve literally seen it with my own eyes.
He was attracted to men.
I feel like they must have made him do something he later regretted a nd started hating them
@@londoner9934 lmao you seem like you're homosexual as well. No. Nobody can make you do something like that if you don't want to really do it yourself
@@tabaskosweet7866 That is my experience as well. And yeah, I have seen it too, sadly. I dont trust any guys anymore, as soon as guy says they are "religious", I just block them on the dating apps.
Wow . Suffered today as stayed up watching till the early hours this morning . So very interesting . Footage of Fiji from years gone by was amazing . Have shared this doco with family and friends . Read the book “deep beyond the reef” which is based on this same story . Read the last couple chapters as I was flying into my beautiful Fiji . Cried as I read . Such a tragic story on both sides . There were no winners. Made me long for my home , Fiji my beautiful Fiji 🇫🇯
I’ll be going to the library for the book you recommend.
I feel horrible about how this has turned out. There are no winners here....... you are absolutely correct.
Any time there is an act of violence like this, two families are destroyed. Families that are more alike than different.
Imrana Jalal, the human rights lawyer, is very eloquent and impressive.
Annabelle Rankin agreed
@L C you speak like a right wing buffoon with all the buzzwords.
@@AA-ek5kz 😂
Imrana was originally named Patricia.
RIP John and Greg! The documentary was done so well! What a beautiful tribute to your brother and family. Violence is NEVER okay and I don't know if Justice was served. So sorry for your loss.
This documentary calls it a coup, when the indigenous people are attempting to reclaim their ancestral lands.
I was coming to say the same . It’s quite strange
The leader of the coup calls it a coup
The singing is so hauntingly beauuuuutiful. Sad story tho, yet a cautionary tale.
47:20 - 'I thought...that it was...a fuckbuddy gone wrong' LMAO. So true!
hahaha that should be a new series on ID, "Fuckbuddies gone wrong!!!" hahah
i was laughing hard too at this. he said with no rumors lol
Beautifully produced video about this tragic story. Love the narration by John's brother.
So sad. I watch a lot of true crime, and am to a degree immune to it. This one, at the end, made me weep for the tragedy and waste. God bless John and Greg, they lived with courage, authenticity and with hearts that were open to the vulnerability of others. Their light shines on.
Why say God bless Greg and John? Isn't God the reason they were killed?
@@gloriaf6971 No, their killer had nothing to do with God or Christianity - only a warped version of them.
@@glamdolly30 God and Christianity are warped. Nothing good or necessary about either one. No one needs a God or a religion that says to kill homosexual people.
MATTHEW 7: 1- 5
Rest in peace John and Greg. We shall all stand before God someday and give an account of how
we treated our fellow brothers and sisters on earth.
and the abominations too! :)
An excellent documentary. I totally agree with Imrana. "That is the legacy that this case has left us with"- The Big Truth
I think Apete could not accept himself for what he is and thought doing away with John and Greg would absolve him of his demons.
RIP John and Greg
... I believe he was sexually groomed into a position of guilt and shame ... he was a victim of his own guilt and shame ... (guilty of murder as well) ... and for not following bible instructions when dealing with our sins ... very sad for both families ... somewhat appalling some negative comments towards his parents ... who have absolutely no bearing on the situation ... his mother was simply explaining how Apete viewed his position ... not obligated to show remorse or to reach out for forgiveness for the sake of their son ... a few years have passed by between the families I'm sure that was resolved back then ... they are not on trial ... he decided to take matters into his own hands that's the issue ... whose voice was guiding him ... your right he thought this would absolve him of his demons ... he no doubt asked God to forgive him for it ... I wonder if it achieved the goal Apete was looking for ...
Fijian natives despite being a more conservative community is no saint when it comes to promiscuity ... as with every country ... homosexuality is less tolerant but tolerated ... and obviously frowned upon ... as with most countries ... but here a few small islands in the Pacific ... it seems to me that Apete because of his guilt ... had decided to become the vengeful angel of death ... in keeping everything in check ... it would seem that way ... as I believe how he saw it ... he needed to protect himself ... he needed to protect others ... sadly a blood sacrifice that needed (not) to be made ... as he saw it ... for vengeance is mine saith the Lord!!!
I think John and Greg sexually assaulted Apete from a young age and he took revenge. Plain and simple... and totally understandable !
@Houston Vissage. That was the first thing I thought when I heard what he said about the bible. I wondered if he questioned his sexuality?
@@jasminejones9937 absolutely. It was hinted at in not so subtle ways throughout the documentary. I came away thinking what is left unsaid in the documentary actually screamed loudest. The 'risque parties', which sounded more like orgies, and taking advantage of the poverty of the teenagers (Apete was practically a teen when he started hanging out with John and Greg, who came across as paedophiles) and grooming them in order to exploit them sexually in 'threesomes', then discarding them when they were no longer useful to them, as happened to Apete. His animosity was triggered when he saw John on TV, and all the pent-up hatred and shame he kept hidden surfaced like a tsunami and it overwhelmed him. The documentary was all the more remarkable because Owen, John's brother, participated in this narrative.
Excellent documentary. From the cinematography to the story and history itself.
My thought is that Apete was a latent homosexual and used organized religion as an excuse to destroy 2 lives. He should be in jail. So disturbing - my heart goes out to the brother having to deal with the aftermath. What a nightmare.
No one has the right to kill, even though their sexual orientation is different from others. Only God, who is our Creator, will be the judge of what we do on this world.
As there is no evidence that your God exists humans have had to look after the justice system and will continue to do so.
No normal human anywhere in the world can do murder with excuses, yes still a murderer.
Fundamentalism a form of insanity? I’d agree, but that means we have trillions of lunatics in the world. And that’s a problem.
The family that brought the pestilence of religion to the land bore the brunt of it's insanity in the end. Evil begets evil.
The amount of adverts is ridiculous .
Excellent biographical history of Fiji encompassing a story of brutality emanating out of religious fanaticism. Well told with great compassion and understanding.
Who are you to judge? Rest in peace John and Greg beautiful people.
Wouldn't kill you to be cautious
Heartbroken what happend to John and Greg. May they RIP.
The Haunting call of ones home no matter what sorrows or horrors we have known there, is always present .
I hope Fiji was not forever spoiled for him by Apetes terrible acts.
Fiona Cahill, I fully appreciate the way you stated sentiments of home, for better or worse. Without that, if the sorrow of a tragedy is too much to bear, the floating without the anchor is unsettling.
@@twistoffate4791 Thank you, and yes I believe we all need to feel tethered to a place or person that is home for us. The big world gets cold & unfriendly at times & its good to know we have a safe place, even if its in our memories. 💚
I am more than sure that Fiji and its present society is forever galled and spoiled for him...
Rest in Love John Scott. 😢😢
KoiNadi aqq
With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.
False premise!
True premise
thought-provoking , thank you Mr Scott for sharing this with us , RIP Greg and John .
A couple of advertisements are acceptable. The number on this is massively excessive. Every 6 minutes!
dude just install an adblocker
Better yet cast it to your tv and no ads pop up
This was an excellent film/production. I watched it a year ago, and it was done so well that can easily watch it again.
Apete was likely a closet homosexual who was able to indulge at the Scott house and later felt self hatred due to his religious upbringing.
Also, it is interesting to show a Mormon temple while discussing Methodists. Methodists have hated Mormons since the inception of Mormonism in the mid 1800’s. There were murders of Mormons by these Christians. And of course, Mormons murdered Methodists later on. Only religion has the capacity to make otherwise sensible people act in murderous ways and justify their killings in the name of God.
except that literally every war the US has ever entered had ulterior monetary and economic motives
that apete character was possessed by the devil!
...and deserve to burn in hell......a life sentence or death penalty
1HitWonder - I think many of us feel this way about Apete too. What a sad ending to all those men's lives.
🤔 I assume that they showed the LDS church because they're infamous for being homophobic and because they have a very strong presence in Fiji
Horrible tragedy but this was brilliantly put together. Bravo brother. Thank you for sharing with us! 🧡
Colonialism still has an impact in many countries and what the impact has been of the Christianity conversion of good people.
Religion and mental illness can be a lethal combination.
Religion is mental illness.
Add a low IQ to the mix as well
@@patrickraftery1815 hatred of religion or someone’s beliefs is a mental illness
A tiny example of the misery brought to the world by toxic missionary zeal.
An interesting set of words lol. People have used all of them as reasons to kill and injure each other.
The grandfather was NOT at fault. He had been highly respected. Somewhere his own son went wrong and did not live according to Gods plan for us. This no doubt affected his sons. And his first wife. John made his own choices. We do not know what they were. We do not know how John and Greg treated Apete. We do not know how this affected Apete. It’s unfortunate he ever worked for them. He might have had to much to bear for a fragile mind. And believe me wherever you find a group of true Godly people you will find Satan will do all he can to destroy,,, including the memory of his grandfather. The ones involved in this documentary FORGAVE that is obvious. There is more to this story than you or I know. This story’s message is TO FORGIVE. If you forgive a little,you will have a little peace,If you FORGIVE totally and leave the matter with God you will find PEACE. If only more of us could learn to do that. Cynicism,David, creates bitterness.
Sounds like religious zealotry mixed with racial/sexual identity and tribal pride if not jealousy. It's hard to say why people murder though - it's often just an animal emotion that erupts. Booze may have fueled it - it often does.
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This tragic story has taught me a lot about the history of I Fidji.
Here, once again it is laid bare the evil of humans, using both colonialism as well as religion as their tools to gain power over other people.
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Thank you Nina for mentioning that part of the documentary. It really stood out for me.
The murders were evil, but the majority of the comments here appear to see nothing wrong with the evils of colonialism, just the murders of people who look like them.
I scrolled down the comment section to see if one person would bring your point up and felt a bit of satisfaction that at least one person felt as I do.
@@TheDarkDresser of course they ignore that part.
Just as tgey did in the earlier times of the United States, ask the Indians. Oh, wait we can't.
Who are we to judge anyone? We are not God so how dare him think he was ! I’m sick by this! Now he will be judged by God one day and God sees all!! God bless them all!
He was a murderer. It was unfair to the victims not to sentence him as a murderer. Religion - disgusting!
Excellent documentary, so sorry for the family loss. We are not to judge! God bless the Scott family.
I still think there must be a bit of evil in you to be able to kill someone, whether you think they are wrong or not. I can't imagine any anger enough for me to be able to end someone's life..... Especially in such a brutal way.
I think the only thing that could trigger me is someone murdering someone close to me and wanting revenge.... But I still don't know if I could do it. I hope I never get it find out though!
Very true, just like god the murderer of innocent people
And especially over something so harmless too...
I've always had a problem when a christian group invades another culture that didn't have anything to do with Christianity but had their own beliefs and spirituality. And there is nothing wrong with what indigenous people believe in! And it's so sad to see many indigenous people lose their spirituality and way of life!
@Heather Fellows
Christ gave the Great Cmmision to "go forth and teach all nations" Christianity is to be like Jesus , show others his teaching in love. Judgement belongs to God, murder is not Christianity!
@@lilnoni671 I never said murder was anything. Yes murder is wrong but so is shoving YOUR religion down other people's throats!
@@lilnoni671 yes maybe Jesus and Christ did not teach murder but the people who categorized themselves as christian did this. Allot. If you read about the history of Christianity, they did not "preach" their intentions, they "force" their beliefs in others. Many died yet the Vatican didn't even acknowledge it. Seriously Christianity and ISIS is very similar except ISIS is very vulgar about their intentions and Christianity isn't.
@@lilnoni671 teach? Indoctrinate.
Totally agree. How arrogant it is to assume other people need your beliefs forced upon them. Stay away from me so called 'christians'.
As informative and riveting as this video is, I have to say it gives an airy feeling into the sympathetic view of colonialism.
They are casting colonizers in a very positive light. A little longer and the British would have colonized the entire planet. So much blood on their hands!
I felt that too.. i think at some point, it was mentioned, and I am paraphrasing, that the native Fijians liked being colonised?! Maybe I misheard. Still, it's a tragedy what happened to the two men.
@Floyd1504 historians are not magically immune to propaganda or misinformation. also whether or not the beitish were comparitovely kind colonial masters doesn't change the harm colonialism does.
@Floyd1504 oh please, spare us the propaganda. If you really are a historian you're a crappy one.
And this is coming from someone who has an art history degree.
This story is taking far too long to tell. They are dragging it out way too long...
Totally agreed. Too many singing(not irrelevant )
please add more documentaries like this that has story about a nation history background as well.. 👏👏
Very, very, very good program. Thank you.
Very moving, gripping and delivered so well.
Background music deserves an Oscar!
People need to understand that the "Old Testament" portion of the Bible was superseded by the NEW TESTAMENT. The "New Testament" of the Bible is about the Life Of Christ.
The New Testament was a "game changer" from the previous portion of the Bible.
With the arrival of Christ: there were TWO highly important requirements for people to please God and live a Christ-like life.
The TWO MOST IMPORTANT LESSONS for people who wish to be Christians are:
1. FOLLOW THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
2. FOLLOW THE TEACHINGS OF CHRIST, AND THE EXAMPLES OF HIS LIFE.
Nowhere in the New Testament, The Ten Commandments, or The Teachings and Example of Christ is hate, violence, or murder condoned.
While it is true that there are many Denominations of Churches......NO TRUE CHRISTIAN IS RELIEVED OF THE OBLIGATION OF FOLLOWING THE TEN COMMANDMENTS....OR IGNORING THE TEACHINGS AND EXAMPLE OF CHRIST.
NO WRITINGS IN THE OLD TESTAMENT ARE AN EXCUSE TO GO AGAINST THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT TEACHINGS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS AND THE TEACHINGS OF CHRIST MUST BE FOLLOWED BY ALL CHRISTIANS.
For those who struggle with "belief systems": no matter who you are.....the Ten Commandments are excellent rules to live by......and the teachings of Christ provide excellent guidance to live a peaceful life. The New Testament is about LOVE and seeking PEACE for ALL.
It is NEVER about HATE.
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blondwiththewind you are completely deluded.. a book written in a desert by goat herders.. man created god
But Jesus never said that he came to supersede the old rules, but to enforce them, and just added on to them. Also, if God was perfect, why would he need to change his own rules. Look, I don't mind someone believing in god, but it's dishonest to think that these people aren't Christians just because they have different values and interpretations than you.
Utterly deluded
So why are both the New and Old Testaments still part of bibles even today then? Surely if the latter was 'superseded' all that hateful nonsense involving judgemental unrighteous killing and punishment for these 'sins' should have been omitted long ago. Move the goalposts all you want, Christianity can be as fundamentalist as any other religion.
UtH Music 5
This Preacher Man is truly enlightened and true to Higher Power Spirit. It is refreshing every time camera goes to hear his words. They are the words of understanding and real knowledge. He knows the murder was wrong and people are confused by it. Praise him for sharing his intelligence and education to this documentary. Very excellent and so very interesting documentary. Thank you for sharing this with us.
People don't have the right to murder others, but if the Upper Class Men with their togetherness, home solid, and constant in a relationship brought Apete(sp?) into this as another aspect of relationship that is wrong on so many levels. Especially because he would always be an outsider to that complete and living together relationship, but they were somehow involving him in it all. This would definitely cause angst, fear, shame, degradation, madness at times for a person hoping to be really included. They had everything, and to toy with someone who was the opposite of that is irresponsible and dangerous. Though Apete had a loving family, his country, and his culture it could look to him like those men messing with him in any way had cheated him and belittled him as if he was nothing compared to them. It was callous and disregarding of their status for two men in a solid loving relationship to behave in this manner. It's a shame Apete didn't seem to really have his faith in God to lean on because God won't be telling you to hack up two people if you are wronged. There is definite delusion or pure rage there.
Doesn't mean it needed to turn out the way it did, but it certainly meant that they were risking it could turn out the way it did if they involved Apete intimately in their relationship. They and all of us need to be aware that we must be smart enough to realize that. These men certainly had the ability to know better. All 3 of them did, because toying with men is dangerous and wrong, murder is the same. It's all a great tragedy for everyone involved, and all of us experiencing it also through this important film work of what happened, So sad.
Apete was a big ole closet case!
When Jr. said my father was a good Christian I understood right away the reason of the killings. Double Moral always comes with a double Sharp edges. Living and walking like Kings among the poorest won't last forever.
You think the killings were justified?
Fj Fj no his saying it has its consequences, was it justified ? No
It was his great grandfather he was talking about.
The music for this doc was breathtaking.
I hope he supported those "illegitimate" children both with love and financially.. it would be extremely shameful and immoral to impregnate young women from an impoverished country then abandon the fatherly duties
The way they glossed over that really pissed me off
How do you know the young women involved were impoverished? Please do not think that indigenous people are “ poor” by your own standards of what that word. means. As for glossing over that part of this story, as some viewer put it:, about “ illegitimate” children, that simp,y was not done with disrespect in my opinion.. The documentary was clearly faithful to the MAIN characters . To have lots of sub plots and extraneous characters, as it were, would make the tale .endless! I happen to be British born and raised.Living in the United States since I was a young adult. Like the characters in this documentary, my own history is knitted together between two nations. In my case, the United Kingdom and the United States. Both have my heart. Both nations are my home. If I were to write my biography, the cast of characters would include only those most central to my life story and development. But I would not have tine , or space, to include every far reaching individual I rubbed shoulders with, or those whom had a relationship with one of my ancestors. My humble opinion!
But Fiji didn't ask your grandfather to bring his religion and take whatever else on their island that he wanted. It's sad his brother was murdered but think of how these people have colonized the entire world nobody's buying your grandfather went there in peace in the name of religion. I'm not.
Rest in Love John Scott & Gregory Scrievener
Religion introduced to this beautiful people is an abomination!
They had had their own religion.... But had had Christianity forced on to them
Do a video of how many indigeous people have been killed by the colonizers. Perhaps therein lies his itrue nsanity.
Why don’t you? That doesn’t change what happened anyway. Besides, one could argue the colonizers religion they brought over in the 1800’s killed him.
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”
Amen
that is a metaphor...not a literal "sword"...Jesus meant that his teachings would outrage the Pharisees and the Jewish establishment and led to hatred against him and his followers.
and indeed...violence did erupt against Jesus and his followers...by both Romans and Jewish leaders...
Just as proper context enrages those in sheeps clothing throwing the stone of subjective ( and, therefore, contextually unfair and invalid) comparison.
Wow, i know this was a long time ago, but the nerve of the indian pop to intervene in fijians life and politics.
What is the name of the song at the beginning of this documentary? It is very haunting and beautiful
Yess nice song
I think it's the judge/judges who are INSANE!
Put like 500 more ads then it will be better.
Sarcasm so rich no need for a sarcastica font.
Pay for TH-cam Red and you won’t see any commercials.
just install the free adblocker, not that hard
@@PapayaStyle why??i like ads.like i said put 500 more nkt.
PapayaStyle I have Adblock , but it doesn’t stop all ads from still showing
Way to make a tropical island as depressing as humanly possible
I appreciate this comprehensive documentary. Such a shame that the whole globe still practices hateful acts in some form or fashion against people minding their own business. And it continues to be ok and not regularly served with proper ramifications🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️John and Greg you will never be forgotten🌈🌈😢💚
I wish the film had identified the mysterious woman in the bikini, in the still photos at he beginning.
And Owen had reunited with any "illegitimate" brothers and sisters, he was rumored to have had.
But obviously that wasn't in the scope of this documentary.
So sad. John and Greg liked this young and treated him well. They would never have imagined what Apete had in store for them when he returned. I think Apete had a psychotic break or schizporenia got him. Terrible terrible tragedy. But portrayed so beautifully on screen. Havnt watched it all yet, they are doing the funeral bit and Im feeling a bit teary eyed. Will carry on.
Yes I think they got the sentencing right. I hope he is never released.
I wonder why cultures that were colonized or enslaved then break away from the oppressors, hold onto and continue to worship the oppressors God...
It is quite an interesting phenomena. I would like to see what research has been done to explain this, if there is any. My opinion is it has to do with fear. They were convinced that the God was real, so even after their release, they still believe that and fear the God's wrath.
Its called brain washed its a phenomena that has happened all over the world where the ruling nation stamped their marked on colonized countries (staple nations) from Europe you see some evidence of Roman influence to the south americas with Spanish influence and parts of asia so the marks left behind from these ruling nations often includes religion, language, architecture, music, art, Military Training and Equipments etc.
It's because the missionary work that brought-introduced-taught Christianity was done way before colonialism. It's not the colonialism that brought religion. How do I explain this? Take Nigeria for example and the history of religion. Before colonialism in the late 1800s the people in the south and east region had their traditional beliefs and religions and the Christian missionaries came way before colonialism to preach and do missionary work as well as trade. In the north of today's Nigeria, the people were already introduced to Islam. Christianity and Islam were already practiced in the regions before colonialism of those regions that was later amalgated and called Nigeria in 1914. After Nigeria gained her independence from the British colonialists we still have Christians and Muslims today. The British colonialists weren't Muslims. The colonialists practiced more of assimilation rulership and ruled through chiefs and local rulers. The colonialists rulership style was a bit different in the southern part but that's a lecture for another day. In the same southern-eastern parts it was quite easy to accept and adopt Christianity because the teaching wasn't any different from their own traditional religious beliefs, just a different name. For instance the story of creation was similar in the Igbo and Youruba traditional beliefs. The Adam and Eve was Obi and Nne. So not really any different. Anyway, colonialism is not associated with the religion practiced, so I hope you can understand why those that believe in God and Allah continued to do so after independence
.they "broke away" in name only . .
BECAUSE GOD IS GOD
There is so much place in this world for everyone, one must accept, share and give selflessly to make this world a better place.
I think we've had a lot of high profile murder cases, I think this stands out, studying this in psychology class.
this was a very sensitive and thought provoking documentary,
Rest In Peace to the two young men. Condolences to the families and to the brother. I feel justice has not been served, but that’s how it goes in beautiful Fiji and one day he might get his just rewards through one way or the other.
Where did they bury Greg? Why was there no combined funeral for both of them?
Greg's Mom buried him in her back yard, you see, they were like, really close. I'm pretty sure they weren't wearing rings or married so like don't get your finger caught up in dental floss more than a minute(you might lose a digit)
well said by the younger brother at his brother's funeral. such a sad part of the history of Fiji.
Also, the words of the Church Minister explained the different messages in the Old Testament and of Christians.
And the lady summation at the end.
My mummy went to Figi as part of British tour and I had no idea about the country except that it was green and beautiful...
The people that are getting too many ads.. Where do you live? I'm not getting any ads. For a change
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