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Oscar Isaac's performance is so impressive that one can get to talk about Mark and Steven as two completely different people. He deserves a standing ovation
Khonshu recruited Marc first, but then he realized he wanted Jake, because he saw what the guy could do. So he said "I'll let both of you go", meaning " But not the third one. And neither Marc nor Steven knew he's even there. He was in charge everytime they blacked out and woke up to everything sorted out. He was also in the closed sarcophagus in the asylum.
As a long time Moon knight fan the two pieces of lore that he has that i love most is 1) He wear white not to symbolize his ties to the moon but because he wants his enemies to know that he is coming for them and 2) That Villain Taskmaster in the comics despises knowing Moon Knights fighting style (He does not have a choice his Mimicry picked it up) because Moon Knight will take the hits and damage to get an attack off on his opponent effectively hurting himself in the process to do a little damage as quickly as possible as opposed to protecting himself by fighting defensively to avoid getting hurt and drawing out the fight
People who are British have told me that Oscar's British accent is actually pretty spot on, but there are ways that he says certain words that are an Americanized version of the accent. As in someone who is American putting on the accent, but doing an exceptional job with it. Now normally I'd look at that and say "Oh that's to be expected, he isn't a native British speaker." But when you think about how Steven Grant is a personality that this American kid, Marc Spector, came up with based on an old timey movie, it's almost brilliant. Yes, it would sound pretty spot on with how long Marc/Steven has been practicing the accent, but it's from the interpretation of an American child who obviously is surrounded by American people, there would be certain things that he wouldn't sound British with
That's not too far off. During the first episode the accent was cringe-inducing, leaving me doubting Oscar Isaac's casting. It's clearly someone "doing an accent" quite poorly. But as soon as it's clear that it is, in fact, the "character" doing the accent and not the actor, it becomes much easier to handle. So yes, most of the time it's just a bit off; enough to be noticeable but close enough that it's not a parody. It's like a verbal version of the uncanny valley
Jake is seen- or at least hinted at- several times in the series. It was Jake that asked the woman from the museum out on the date, and when fighting the two men on the rooftop in Egypt and it was Jake struggling to get out of that red sarcophagus in the mental dreamscape of the hospital and it was Jake that defeated Harrow. Jake is the brutal part of Moon Knight. The one the others deny and fall back on when things gets really dangerous.
Funnily enough Oscar actually picked his own brother (who is a massive pop culture and comic fan) to be his double in the scenes where Marc and Steven were both present. Also not a spoiler just wanted to point out something worth noting aside from how a big part of moon knight is wondering what's real and what's not, I couldn't quite tell which world you decided to believe, but I want to mention eventually Dr. Harrow verbally mentions some stuff about how under stress the mind can fabricate familiar places to help deal with grief and names a few examples including an asylum... he additionally mentions they're not living in a material world but a psychic world, unsure if it was caught or not in the reaction but it's a hint to which world is real and which world is a construct in his mind to help him deal with his grief. I think it may be worth a rewatch. Great reaction as always, can't wait to see where moon knight might show up next in the greater MCU or who he may team up and cross paths with in the future
@@kaiielle I assumed so, I didn't want to just come and say it outright in case you were still in the process of delving into it and mapping out whats happening when and where and such, its certainly a brain breaker the first time through but the way I eventually landed on for the series is that there is 1 whole real world story and then within that a mind construct that he retreats into to hide from his truths and stresses in the latter half of the show
Oscar Isaac’s acting in the series is exceptional, but in Episode 5, it’s just next-level to me. I think he also does an amazing job of bringing the different aspects of the comic book character to life, and I was pretty skeptical about the show at first, but after watching it, I’m very impressed with the whole series. I’m so excited for you to dive into the world of the comic books, and hopefully develop an even deeper enjoyment of Moon Knight.
This has been by far my favorite live action thing Marvel has done post-Endgame. Oscar Issacs was absolutely brilliant, and May Calamawy as Layla was warm and likable yet badass and just a joy to watch.
Marc was the original personality (and Avatar of Konshu). Steven and Jake are alternate personalities Marc created to deal with the traumas in his life. Jake does the things that are so terrible that even Marc cannot bring himself to do them. Both existed before Marc became the Avatar. Konshu is simply using Jake as a loophole to his deal with Marc and Steven. We saw Jake's "work" at least three times in the series prior to the end credit scene - the first time in the Alpine village, killing Harrow's followers to prevent them from getting the scarab, the second time when interrogating Harrow's followers in Cairo when they were killed violently, the third time during the battle with Harrow in the streets of Cairo when Layla asked, "What the hell was that."
Also tbh sometimes Jake was in the asylum too. The accent was different to Marc, more gritty etc. Even the subtitles are wrong sometimes saying "as Marc"
The MCU differ from the comic books but Marc was the original persona then he created Steven to forget about the trauma office childhood but Steven doesn't remember any of the beaten so the theory is Steven created Jake to take the punishment. Jake was the one who asked the lady out at the museum. Jake also the one who killed all of the Arthur Harold's minions in the little village because Steven was knocked out jumping out of the window. Jake killed the guys on the roof when they were searching for the dig site. Not to mention it was Jake was the one in the interview room with the broke nose and trapped in the red coffin.
No, that was still Marc, not only to the subtitles confirm that but we’ve seen that Jake is Hispanic and sounds like he has a pretty strong accent. He’s not in the comics so I guess people would expect that to be him, but no. Unless they just randomly decide to have him switch between accents or be bilingual ( which makes no sense because Spanish isn’t Harrows first language so why is our first real scene with him him speaking Spanish and not English with an accent?). I think they are going to go the direction of him being Hispanic purely because of Oscars heritage. At least they kept Jakes style though.
@@dylancole1910 Jake had a bostonian accent because his personality background is he was a boxer from Chicago. Hence the broken nose and bruised eyes while he was present in Harrow's office. There were 3 sarcophagus... Sarcophagi?...which ever is plural. Lol The third was upright and was violently rocking back and forth, as if someone was trying to get out..when both Steven and Marc was passing the room. Jake is the one created by Marc that remembers the physical abuse. It explains the violent nature of him. Marc may be the morally gray personality but I believe Jake is the dark murderous one. I wanna know what the other ones are like.
@@blackkatt777 why is he Hispanic then. Wouldn’t make sense. Maybe that was true in the comics but the show changed his character so that Oscar could speak Spanish.
@@dylancole1910 Jake spoke different languages because he used Taxi driving as his way of getting underground info from sources to help him do the dirtier work tha Marc didn't handle. He was fluent. In the therapy session (in episode 5) Jake made an appearance with the bandaid on his nose, speaking with a very thick Chicago accent. Chicago is where the facility was located and also where Marc was from. Marc said that he had his mental situation under control until his mother's Chiva brought Steven back out. So he got treated before for his DID.
This was a fun and fascinating series. Episode 5 really is heartbreaking, and has the potential to put everyone through all the emotions. Back when the episode first hit Disney+, I recall one reactor (a very knowledgeable comics fan) made the remark, "People think Batman has a tragic back-story -- Moon Knight says, 'Hold my beer.'" And your reaction to Episode 4 onwards encapsulated the thoughts of all viewers, I think. All though I've read little of Moon Knight from the source material myself, second hand I've learned that the mental clinic scenes were based on one particular comics run. Apparently it confused readers to the point that they had no idea which was the delusion: the asylum that Marc Spector was in, or his life as Moon Knight.
In the early 90's I used to collect Marvel trading cards and that was my initial introduction to the characters. I remember when I found a Moon Knight card I was like, "Seriously?! That's a character?" When the trailer for the series came out I saw how excited a bunch of the reactors were so I checked it out and then remembered seeing him on a card. Episode 6 with the reveal of the Scarlet Scarab was absolutely phenomenal!! I had a feeling you would be psyched!!
Episode six introduces Jake. Steven- kindest Marc- balanced Jake- most violent Upon rewatch see the moments Jake arrived and disappeared. The man(men), the hero(es), the inner(outer) trinity of personality. Love your channel and reactions! ✌️🥰😉🤪👍💕💗
I am so happy you enjoyed this show. Isaac said that he wanted the show to be a total manifestation of the inner turmoil of the character. It's interesting to think about the two times the Jackle is banging on the door is a reflection of the mother and Steven going to the storage locker place and having a freak out could actually be him checking into a mental ward and going to his room. The council of the gods could be a mental patient bringing up a complaint against his care taker to a panel of superior doctors. So much symbolism and blending between real world and mental dissociation. Also, water played ahuge role in all the episodes. Moon Knight goes back to the 70's. He has had many different versions over the decades and thry did a good job blending all the best parts together for this show.
Not to spoil anything, if you wanna read the Moon Knight comics, which I highly recommend btw, but the clinic is something right out of Jeff Lemire's run. And it's just as, if not more mind blowing there, as it is here. Honestly Jeff Lemire's Moon Knight run is one of the best Marvel runs for a character imo.
I actually prefer the Jed MacKay run currently. I love what he’s been doing with the supernatural stuff in the comics really am anticipating Moon Knight’s return in the comics and MCU.
Yes! Get the Lamiere/Smallwood trade and the Ellis/Shalvey trade too! The Ellis stories are six short stories about Moon Knight while the Lamiere run is more of a narrative that this series is based upon.
I love how there's hints at a 3rd persona in many of the episodes. It's wonderfully done and more noticeable on a re-watch. As i'm sure you noticed, there are a number of occasions second time around where you see Stephen blackout, then come back to himself with the scene almost drastically different and realize that perhaps it wasn't Marc as assumed (not to mention the couple of times with the actual "was that you?" "No, was that you?" type dialogue) As always, great show with a great reaction. Catch you for the next one
when watching you feel like you understand but actually you don't understand it but you understand 😂 That's a sign that this show was successful❤ I watch this over and over again and every time I watch I find something new to understand, but if you want you can watch the break down of each ep it's also very fun 🤩
The beginning: Layla was behind Steven and dragging him away from the flashing car lights. When I watched the series, I automatically thought that in the dark, when the car was moving and jumping on the dunes, the people in the car might not have noticed that it was two people. It wasn't a flat desert. The dunes had clearly steep slopes. They didn't see Layla running away. She just disappeared behind the dune. And when they got closer they thought they had shot the person they saw. It didn't even occur to me that anyone might think there was anything strange about it. Instead, I wondered how the machine gun bullets exploded so quickly from a single flare thrown on them.
If I'm not mistaken Oscar played the Dad to young Marc. and in my humble opinion the Hippo's detail was immaculate. Also don't feel lesser because you were confused.... we were ALL confused right about the same time confusion over took you. Great reaction.
Jake is the most brutal and terrifying of the three personalities. I'd call him an anti-hero, but from what we've seen of him in this series, we can't even be sure he's out for anyone but himself.
Marvel has these great "making of" featurettes called "Assembled". I have no idea why they keep them separate from the features themselves, but they are all on Disney+. They've done them for each of the series, as well as a few of the movies. Really interesting stuff, worth checking out. Also, while I don't know if it's been officially announced, Moon Knight season 2 is most likely in the works right now. Oscar Isaac was spotted in Cairo. When asked why he was there he answered something to the effect of "why do you think?" hinting very strongly that they are shooting season 2.
oooooh interesting to hear, I remember hearing they had confirmed they would not be moving forward with moon knight in the MCU directly after it first released, so its great to hear that they might have gone back on that.
Moon knight is such a unique character I see a lot of people comparing him to Batman but apart from being a vigilante and having a similar look (at least in the comics) he is so unique and what I love most about him is that Taskmaster in the comic tries his most to avoid moon knight because he doesn’t want to mimic his fighting style because moon knight would rather take a hit instead of blocking or dodging it there is also Deadpool that taskmaster can just not mimic at all because he is too unpredictable
comic book moon knight's evolved through a number of reboots. he debuted in 1975 as a mercenary villain-of-the-month in the horror series"werewolf-by-night". a year later he was rebooted as a batman-style playboy superhero with three secret identities (not personalities), playboy millionaire steven grant, mercenary marc spector and taxi driver jake locksley. he also had an alfred-style assistant jean-paul "frenchie" duchamp (whose name appears on the phone steven finds in episode 2). in 1980 he was rebooted as an avatar of the god konshu. his mental instability was introduced in another reboot in 2006.
59:30 this show is super rewatcheable, they mastered the show don’t tell with this one. There’s so many details you can pick up and so much imagery and things to speculate about, it’s great. There’s no enough shows like this.b
There is also quite a few great moon knight comics that focus on what is real and what is not and a few that take place in mental health facilities where he is questioning his own realities and they are worth he read
In the comics, Moonknight is featured on a supernatural team that includes characters like Dr. Strange and Blade. Mark is the primary. Stephen and Jake are alters. Another character with multiple personalities is Legion in Marvel. Another similar character in DC comics is on the Doom Patrol team. Both shows are quite good.
So many great villains follow after Walter Sobchak: they're not wrong, they're just assholes. Harrow is definitely one of them. So is Khonshu, even though he's not quite the villain. Harrow isn't wrong about Khonshu being an abuser of his avatars, but Khonshu isn't wrong about Ammit prosecuting the innocent or being so hypocritical as to accept someone as evil as Harrow to carry out her goal of ridding the world of evil.
This show was great. I love the attention detail when they were confronted by the sand creature from the Duat only attacked Marc technically Steven isn’t real, so no matter how hard he fought he couldn’t physically hurt them but Steven could.
There have been hints throughout the series that there were three personalities. When they would show reflections, there would usually be the person looking, and then at least two reflections in the background (unless it was a one on one conversation). There were three mirrors in Steven's apartment. In the credit's, Marc/Steven's face splits into 3 pieces. There was another coffin after Marc opened Steven's that was rattling and looked darker. And in the Asylum episode, we cut back to Harrow three times. The last two times were definitely Marc and Steven respectively. But the first one, the one that has a bandage on his nose, who tries to attack Harrow and the one that they forcibly drug, that one has a different accent than Marc does. HIs accent is more like a New York cab driver (which Jake Lockley is in the comics). He also has a completely different facial expression that Marc never has, and obviously he has the most violent and confrontational behavior. I'm certain that was Jake. I think you can also hear him in this final therapy session when he says "While it is tempting to accept your diagnosis, Doc", again, it's not Marc's accent or way of speaking I absolutely love this level of detail that just perfectly builds up this twist for anyone that didn't know the comics
"While it is tempting to accept your diagnosis, doc" is absolutely Mark talking, not Jake. Mark does have a New York accent, it's just not very pronounced, except when he is being sassy (as in this scene). Rewatch a bit and you'll see what I mean Jake, on the other hand, is Cuban (like Oscar's own ethnicity).
This show’s version of Egyptian mythology is very different from the version made in Ancient Egypt. Ammit was never a villain, and she certainly didn’t promote punishing the living for sins they hadn’t committed yet. Her entire job was eating souls after they’d died. Khonshu was less active in the myths; Horus or Ra would have been more likely to take an avatar. Ra, the sun god, did more monster fighting in the myths than the moon god ever did. The hippo goddess being part of the Underworld is a huge change. She’s a goddess of childbirth, not death. Most likely, the show gave her the job because the usual underworld gods - Osiris and Anubis - would have been a lot darker, and that episode needed some moments of levity. Altogether, Egyptian mythology makes for some cool imagery, but the characters don’t lend themselves to superhero stuff as well as Thor and the Norse myths, so the show/comics took a lot of creative license.
As someone with DID, largely specifically from childhood abuse, episode 5 is pretty hard to watch. The reason that is though is one of the best and strangest things about the series, that being that despite the Egyptian Gods and Superheroes this series is actually in many ways one of the most realistic depictions of DID. A lot of the other most famous pieces of media that depict it often get a lot wrong or leave audiences with wild, often harmful, misconceptions, intentionally or otherwise. With this series though, a lot of it really is, appropriately enough given how Marc and Steven communicate, like looking in a mirror.
The only problem I have with the finale is that it raises more questions than answers without a confirmation of a season 2. Like, it’s been 2 years and we still haven’t gotten an update on Moonknight 😭. Other than that I’d give the overall show a 8.5-9
I believe there’s a season 2 in the works but what they’re really building towards is Midnight Sons. My second favorite team after Guardian/Alpha Flight
A big change from the comics that’s not a super popular change among fans is that Moon Knight is much more of a street level hero like Daredevil. He’s not really known for Indiana Jones type archaeology adventures or these kinds of Egyptian god Kaiju fights. I don’t mind it because I see it as a variant of the character for the MCU.
I’ve not read much Moon Knight, admittedly, but from what I did read every issue felt like he was a different character (because he was technically), so I see this as just another one.
hmm Small disagree on this. The original book runs of MK and MK Fist of Khonshu ( 80, 85) was definitely the adventure/tomb robber type. That's where all the Bushman stories came from. But yeah, by the time the 'Spector' run began in 89, it was all street level... i think the decision to do all this here was to, in effect, flesh out an 'origin' story line, whilst not really paying attention to it...
Based on the work of Cinema Therapy, this is a pretty accurate depiction of Dissociative Identity Disorder, even down to the way it starts. It is near universal that childhood trauma leads to the brain needing someone during such a traumatic time, even if it’s another personality. Oscar Isaac deserved all the appreciation he got for this, it’s an amazing performance. You can literally SEE the difference between Steven and Marc, without him saying a word… such acting, such amaze.
Marc still was the original avatar as we saw in the flashback, but Jake was his most 'loyal' one, most efficient. Although Jake never fronted all that often, since both Marc and Steven had no idea about him, which Khonshu very much wanted to keep it that way. So Marc was his main avatar for most of the time. Also in the flashback when Khonshu met Marc he did say how he saw *all* of his mind. 'Broken, fractured, how fascinating'. He didn't just see Steven in there, he saw Jake. Khonshu: 'oh how neat! Two avatars for the price of one!' Also how in the last episode Khonshu was careful to say 'i'll release you *both*'. Also why he didn't argue with Marc when he refused to do what he wanted. There's so much potential with Jake and all three of them. They can't do what they did in this series for Steven super quickly for Jake in an ensemble movie. They *need* to give them a season two before the Moon Knight system joins the movie verse. But at this point, after two years, other than little hints from Oscar we got nothing. I know Loki season two took some time to come out too and the technically WandaVision season two is still in the works so i'm still holding on some hope that they will give Jakey justice. I'm still writing a season two for Jake’s story arc just in case. Oh and the theory I like best is that Jake came to be at the same time as Steven did. He was the one that fronted when Marc dragged them outvof the room.
Wow.. even in reactions, Episode 5 makes me cry every single time. One of my favorite MCU origins even though it's heartbreaking to see how he became the way he is.
I didn’t dislike this series. I also didn’t enjoy it as much as it seems most people did. In fact, it’s near the bottom of my MCU list. I loved the complexity and drama of episode 5. I loved Laila and seeing her as the Scarlet Scarab. I loved seeing Marc & Steven working together. That being said, this show left much to be desired. The story presented way too many questions and not nearly enough answers. We weren’t given any news from Marvel that we would ever see these characters again. We have no idea what Jake was doing all season, why he wasn’t a part of the soul balancing or how he saved everyone from Harrow. The action was fun. The costumes were cool. Ethnic diversity…👍🏾, but this show, (especially the last 3 episodes) caused too much confusion not enough closure.
Jake Lockley is Marc's third personality, if you remember to episode 5 there's another casket that doesn't get open but you can hear someone knocking from the inside.
If no one has mentioned it yet, this is kind of a hodgepodge when it comes to story. There is an Arther Harrow in the comics but he is completely different from this one (if I recall correctly, Harrow is a Nazi in the comics). If you want to read any Moon Knight, I would recommend the complete collection by Jeff Lemire AND the complete collection by Jed MacKay, both incredible for their own reasons. The Jeff Lemire run could be considered the closest source material for the show, though there are a lot of changes. The writing in his run is also phenomenal. The Jed MacKay run is also very well written, but in my opinion, the artwork is much more suited to the darkness of the Moon Knight character. Also, Jeff’s run can be purchased in a full book. Jed’s run just somewhat recently finished so a full collection book hasn’t been published yet, and Jed is also currently writing the sequel to that run called “Vengeance of the Moon Knight” which is only up to five issues so far. If you don’t want something that long, a good short series is Moon Knight: City of the Dead, which also has Layla El-Faouly as The Scarlet Scarrab (how she was in Episode 6). That run is only five issues in total and is pretty fun. Enjoy the reading.
It was honestly kind of fun to see you so convinced that the asylum was the real world XD Like, I had the benefit of hindsight, so I'm not saying that your impression of it was invalid. Just fun to watch XD I really love this show on the whole, though, and I do think that the second half is the "stronger" half of the series... but that isn't to say that any of it is weak. This whole series is a wonderful look at a very challenging mental health issue, and I love that they gave it the respect that they did. And yes. We need more Moon Knight and more Layla as Tawaret's avatar!
Also thi show is how we had Ethan Hawke in Glass Onion as they were filmed near to each other and Ethan was able to hop over to the other set for a quick cameo.
This series was good for me. I just wish they gave it maybe one or two more episodes, to show us more with Arthur Harrow. As well as doing a bit more with the Jake Lockley thing. Plus I really wish we got more missions and moon knight fight scenes with Mark.
When this was first airing, I prepped my friend with something like "just so you know, Moon Knight is definitely from the... weirder corner of Marvel. So I expect this to be a little more wild than other Marvel stuff." The. For the first three episodes, I looked like a liar, lol. Finally we got to 4 and 5 and she was like "oh. OK. I see what you meant." I would love a season 2, but Oscar is somewhat busy being in every major franchise in existence, so who knows if that will ever happen.
Your observation that on re-watch there would be things to catch, is correct. Because I've read the comic book and know the story I knew that Jake existed. There's a moment where the thugs are murdered on the cliff. Steven and Marc are blaming each other. It confuses the casual viewer. Those of us who already know Moon Knight's story realized....oooh!!!😮 that would be Jake. Then at one point when Steven is talking to "Dr. Harrow" he suddenly changes to sounding more like a Brooklyn boxer. That would be Jake. It's a brief moment, but when you re-watch you can see it. I don't want to say much more than you already know. But the main point that you're now in the loop on.... is that there are 3 personalities. It was hinted at and you'll spot those hints if you re-watch. 😁
Okay, so I feel like from the end to episode 4 onwards there's 3 different levels to this story: 1. The "real" world. Which is the one where Marc is Moon Knight, Harrow becomes Ammit's avatar, they fight, etc. 2. The duat world, aka the Egyptian underworld. This is basically the limbo between life and death, that Marc and Steven experience, after getting shot by Harrow. 3. Now, this is the most interesting level. It's the psychiatric ward, where Marc and Steven (and possibly Jake) are being held. In my opinion this is the subconscious part of Marc/Steven, that wants to just get rid of the DID and is triggered by his near death/death experience. But in the end, and this is the most important bit, both Marc and Steven realize that they are not broken. While therapist Harrow is surely pretty convincing and makes some good points, Marc/Steven working together and "integrating" is the path forward. Yes, they live with DID, but instead of cutting off/giving up one of the alters, instead they decide to live and work together in harmony as best as they can.
A lot of the comic fans were upset we didn't see more of Jake and the sorts of things he gets up to. There is no way they could put that stuff on Disney+ though. The angrier side of MK's most infamous feat is removing an enemies face and wearing it as a trophy. MK is in world famous as the one hero no one (hero or villain) really wants to mess with because they have no idea what will happen. Taskmaster (who has taken the entire Avengers on for cash) simply refuses to take any job where MK could even be vaguely involved for example. Great show though, really enjoyed it and our reaction. Thanks :)
I don't have DID but I have gone through similar experiences as Marc so Episode 5 has been always hard to watch but also cathartic in a way and which is why Moon Knight is my favourite MCU character as I relate to them.
It was a pleasure of watching your reaction to moon knight Kaiielle 🌙 Can't wait to see your next reaction tomorrow either a movie or a next show if it's a next show I know it's Ms Marvels ⚡!!!
Originally, this show was supposed to have some connections to the existing MCU, but they dropped them, which worked pretty well. If I had to guess, the reason the other Egyptian gods are hiding is due to the events of Thor 4, but that’s my head-canon for now.
59:03 yup their DID is in the comics, although the portrayal of it vary *widely* depending on the runs. If you're curious to read the comics I recommend Jed Mackay's 2021-2022 run. He actually consulted with real people with DID for it. There's also a even newer miniseries where Layla got added to the comics canon! I'm so happy about that! (Yeah Layla is an original-ish character for the show. The story of how she was created is pretty interesting.) They did change quite a bit for their characters in the show though. Although I think they're all good changes.
There is a TH-cam channel called The Infinity System, where a real-life DID system (the name for the group of alters as a whole) reviews this show and talks about what they got right and wrong. It's a really interesting watch.
Some moonknight short story comic runs to get you started. Ebay is a good place to look. Moonknight: From the dead Moonknight: Lunatic Moonknight: Reincarnations Moonknight: Birth and Death Moonknight: The Bottom
I think the only true way to tell what was “real” and what was in his head is every scene in the hospital had Marc and Steven present. The real world had people interacting with each other without mark or Steven there.
Oscar was the whole show. i would prefered if the hospital was real, because then many things that doesnt make sense would be ok. the big one was the stars sky reverse that resolved to konshou been trapped... they could be done that with an app. medium show but top performance of Oscar!
Damn. I forgot about the hippo. Shit gets real weird after that. Some aspects of this show remind of the FX series Legion. That one is a total mind fork, if you've never seen it.
It's not if Mark has an alter identity, or whether in the MCU that Gods & Khonshu exist. The question is how many does Mark have. In DID cases it's not unheard of to have over 100! Great Show, great character & great reaction. Moon Knight is an interesting comic. Volume 1 is kind of Batman. The other identities gradually appear & when you sit back & look at it in it's entirety what is real, what isn't. Is he in a room with most of it in his head. Is he a normal guy, a wannabe Batman. Is he an avatar of Khonshu. Kind of reminds me of Vampire's Kiss with Nicholas Cage. In this world, the MCU he is likely an Avatar, isn't he? In this world he is sedated and mostly in his world. When this show came out I watched several content creators that have DID that were watching the show. Most liked the delicate way Marvel handled a difficult subject. Usually DID is presented in films as something quite malevolent, a dark hidden twin. For most it's a defence mechanism that their brains learnt to protect them from trauma. Once learnt it is something that continues through their lives, they create as & when needed. I could go on, Amazing acting, amazing show & another great reaction, thank you. Also Jake appeared a few times in the show, remember in I think it was episode 3, when we see Mark in charge. There is a conversation with Mark & Steven and a lot of dead bodies around them, Mark blames Steven, not likely lol & Steven says not him. Yes episode 5 is my favourite episode in the MCU even if Loki season 2 is now my favourite show (this now second)
Hey, I just checked your letterboxd rankings and Shang-Chi, Eternals, Hawkeye and No Way Home seem to be at the bottom of the list, I don't think that's intentional, right? Just wanted to let you know, incase you hadn't caught that yet!
hey there! Regarding future moon knight, as the avengers and the defenders (daredevil, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, etc) there's a team up with Kit Harrington's character in eternals, blade the vampire and moon knight, so, fingers crossed. Regarding the mcu series, you mention wandavision and this one, deservedly so, but have you seen loki? With loki there's a trifecta of outstanding marvel tv IMHO
@41:10--I am a little concerned to hear you say that Harrow as a therapist is great. I wonder if you feel the same after re-watch or edit. In my view, "Dr Harrow" is even more direly in need of a wood-chipper than Follower-of-Ammit Harrow. As an antagonist, even dare I say a villain, Harrow is smug, self-righteous, condescending, and incredibly dangerous, which is completely right for what he is. As a therapist, those qualities are absolutely appalling and have zero place in such a role. Worse, he is manipulative and dismissive, and at best seems more interested in pushing his own agendas than in his patient's (or patients') well-being. Even Bucky's therapist in Falcon and the Winter Soldier was better, and she missed on a great many levels as a therapist, in my opinion.
Don't worry, editing this definitely HIT differently and things made way more sense and yeah Harrow is not a good person. It's the one downside of doing first time reactions - I think that viewers think that we will always feel that way about what we're watching.
Oscar was epic in this series. Because it wasn't a mainstream hero I feel like it wasn't as big a deal as it should have been. Moon Knight has been around quite some time though and teams up with heroes like Blade, Elsa, Bloodstone, Man-Thing, Ghost Rider, and even Wolverine for a time as the Midnight Sons most notably.
Oscar Isaac’s acting in the series is exceptional, but in Episode 5, it’s just next-level to me. I think he also does an amazing job of bringing the different aspects of the comic book character to life, and I was pretty skeptical about the show at first, but after watching it, I’m very impressed with the whole series. I’m so excited for you to dive into the world of the comic books, and hopefully develop an even deeper enjoyment of Moon Knight.
Oscar Isaac’s acting in the series is exceptional, but in Episode 5, it’s just next-level to me. I think he also does an amazing job of bringing the different aspects of the comic book character to life, and I was pretty skeptical about the show at first, but after watching it, I’m very impressed with the whole series. I’m so excited for you to dive into the world of the comic books, and hopefully develop an even deeper enjoyment of Moon Knight.
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Taweret's "LAYLAAAA!" will forever be my reaction every time Layla appears on the screen. I love her so much! 🥰
It's going to be difficult not to do it after meeting someone named Layla and having to call to her across a house or noisy room or something.
Oscar Isaac's performance is so impressive that one can get to talk about Mark and Steven as two completely different people. He deserves a standing ovation
Marvel continues to explore grief in an interesting and nuanced way. First Wanda. Now this.
Loki and Bucky as well.
Khonshu recruited Marc first, but then he realized he wanted Jake, because he saw what the guy could do. So he said "I'll let both of you go", meaning " But not the third one. And neither Marc nor Steven knew he's even there. He was in charge everytime they blacked out and woke up to everything sorted out. He was also in the closed sarcophagus in the asylum.
Both this show and Wandavision had a really good "therapy from the villain" episode. Two of my faves.
Loki as well. The TVA was therapy for him as well
As a long time Moon knight fan the two pieces of lore that he has that i love most is 1) He wear white not to symbolize his ties to the moon but because he wants his enemies to know that he is coming for them and 2) That Villain Taskmaster in the comics despises knowing Moon Knights fighting style (He does not have a choice his Mimicry picked it up) because Moon Knight will take the hits and damage to get an attack off on his opponent effectively hurting himself in the process to do a little damage as quickly as possible as opposed to protecting himself by fighting defensively to avoid getting hurt and drawing out the fight
People who are British have told me that Oscar's British accent is actually pretty spot on, but there are ways that he says certain words that are an Americanized version of the accent. As in someone who is American putting on the accent, but doing an exceptional job with it.
Now normally I'd look at that and say "Oh that's to be expected, he isn't a native British speaker." But when you think about how Steven Grant is a personality that this American kid, Marc Spector, came up with based on an old timey movie, it's almost brilliant. Yes, it would sound pretty spot on with how long Marc/Steven has been practicing the accent, but it's from the interpretation of an American child who obviously is surrounded by American people, there would be certain things that he wouldn't sound British with
That's not too far off. During the first episode the accent was cringe-inducing, leaving me doubting Oscar Isaac's casting. It's clearly someone "doing an accent" quite poorly. But as soon as it's clear that it is, in fact, the "character" doing the accent and not the actor, it becomes much easier to handle.
So yes, most of the time it's just a bit off; enough to be noticeable but close enough that it's not a parody. It's like a verbal version of the uncanny valley
Jake is seen- or at least hinted at- several times in the series. It was Jake that asked the woman from the museum out on the date, and when fighting the two men on the rooftop in Egypt and it was Jake struggling to get out of that red sarcophagus in the mental dreamscape of the hospital and it was Jake that defeated Harrow.
Jake is the brutal part of Moon Knight. The one the others deny and fall back on when things gets really dangerous.
Just as an FYI: Steven's "Moon Knight" is known as "Mr. Knight"
Harrow had too many sharp objects in his office for a real doctor treating people like Mark.
Funnily enough Oscar actually picked his own brother (who is a massive pop culture and comic fan) to be his double in the scenes where Marc and Steven were both present. Also not a spoiler just wanted to point out something worth noting aside from how a big part of moon knight is wondering what's real and what's not, I couldn't quite tell which world you decided to believe, but I want to mention eventually Dr. Harrow verbally mentions some stuff about how under stress the mind can fabricate familiar places to help deal with grief and names a few examples including an asylum... he additionally mentions they're not living in a material world but a psychic world, unsure if it was caught or not in the reaction but it's a hint to which world is real and which world is a construct in his mind to help him deal with his grief. I think it may be worth a rewatch. Great reaction as always, can't wait to see where moon knight might show up next in the greater MCU or who he may team up and cross paths with in the future
It made a lot more sense to me on a rewatch, for sure.
@@kaiielle I assumed so, I didn't want to just come and say it outright in case you were still in the process of delving into it and mapping out whats happening when and where and such, its certainly a brain breaker the first time through but the way I eventually landed on for the series is that there is 1 whole real world story and then within that a mind construct that he retreats into to hide from his truths and stresses in the latter half of the show
Oscar Isaac’s acting in the series is exceptional, but in Episode 5, it’s just next-level to me. I think he also does an amazing job of bringing the different aspects of the comic book character to life, and I was pretty skeptical about the show at first, but after watching it, I’m very impressed with the whole series.
I’m so excited for you to dive into the world of the comic books, and hopefully develop an even deeper enjoyment of Moon Knight.
This has been by far my favorite live action thing Marvel has done post-Endgame. Oscar Issacs was absolutely brilliant, and May Calamawy as Layla was warm and likable yet badass and just a joy to watch.
Moon Knight Episode 5 is one of the best episodes of any series ever (IMO). So powerful.
Marc was the original personality (and Avatar of Konshu). Steven and Jake are alternate personalities Marc created to deal with the traumas in his life. Jake does the things that are so terrible that even Marc cannot bring himself to do them. Both existed before Marc became the Avatar. Konshu is simply using Jake as a loophole to his deal with Marc and Steven. We saw Jake's "work" at least three times in the series prior to the end credit scene - the first time in the Alpine village, killing Harrow's followers to prevent them from getting the scarab, the second time when interrogating Harrow's followers in Cairo when they were killed violently, the third time during the battle with Harrow in the streets of Cairo when Layla asked, "What the hell was that."
Also tbh sometimes Jake was in the asylum too. The accent was different to Marc, more gritty etc. Even the subtitles are wrong sometimes saying "as Marc"
WHOOHOOO!!!!!
Shocked, saddened, elated. Yes, that's what this show does. It's all genius. I've watched this series at least 10 times and Ep. 5 still makes me cry.
and then it all comes down to Godzilla vs kong fight
The MCU differ from the comic books but Marc was the original persona then he created Steven to forget about the trauma office childhood but Steven doesn't remember any of the beaten so the theory is Steven created Jake to take the punishment. Jake was the one who asked the lady out at the museum. Jake also the one who killed all of the Arthur Harold's minions in the little village because Steven was knocked out jumping out of the window. Jake killed the guys on the roof when they were searching for the dig site. Not to mention it was Jake was the one in the interview room with the broke nose and trapped in the red coffin.
No, that was still Marc, not only to the subtitles confirm that but we’ve seen that Jake is Hispanic and sounds like he has a pretty strong accent. He’s not in the comics so I guess people would expect that to be him, but no. Unless they just randomly decide to have him switch between accents or be bilingual ( which makes no sense because Spanish isn’t Harrows first language so why is our first real scene with him him speaking Spanish and not English with an accent?). I think they are going to go the direction of him being Hispanic purely because of Oscars heritage. At least they kept Jakes style though.
@@dylancole1910 Jake had a bostonian accent because his personality background is he was a boxer from Chicago. Hence the broken nose and bruised eyes while he was present in Harrow's office.
There were 3 sarcophagus... Sarcophagi?...which ever is plural. Lol
The third was upright and was violently rocking back and forth, as if someone was trying to get out..when both Steven and Marc was passing the room.
Jake is the one created by Marc that remembers the physical abuse. It explains the violent nature of him. Marc may be the morally gray personality but I believe Jake is the dark murderous one.
I wanna know what the other ones are like.
@@blackkatt777 why is he Hispanic then. Wouldn’t make sense. Maybe that was true in the comics but the show changed his character so that Oscar could speak Spanish.
@@dylancole1910 Jake spoke different languages because he used Taxi driving as his way of getting underground info from sources to help him do the dirtier work tha Marc didn't handle. He was fluent.
In the therapy session (in episode 5) Jake made an appearance with the bandaid on his nose, speaking with a very thick Chicago accent.
Chicago is where the facility was located and also where Marc was from.
Marc said that he had his mental situation under control until his mother's Chiva brought Steven back out.
So he got treated before for his DID.
This was a fun and fascinating series. Episode 5 really is heartbreaking, and has the potential to put everyone through all the emotions. Back when the episode first hit Disney+, I recall one reactor (a very knowledgeable comics fan) made the remark, "People think Batman has a tragic back-story -- Moon Knight says, 'Hold my beer.'"
And your reaction to Episode 4 onwards encapsulated the thoughts of all viewers, I think. All though I've read little of Moon Knight from the source material myself, second hand I've learned that the mental clinic scenes were based on one particular comics run. Apparently it confused readers to the point that they had no idea which was the delusion: the asylum that Marc Spector was in, or his life as Moon Knight.
In the early 90's I used to collect Marvel trading cards and that was my initial introduction to the characters. I remember when I found a Moon Knight card I was like, "Seriously?! That's a character?" When the trailer for the series came out I saw how excited a bunch of the reactors were so I checked it out and then remembered seeing him on a card.
Episode 6 with the reveal of the Scarlet Scarab was absolutely phenomenal!! I had a feeling you would be psyched!!
Episode six introduces Jake.
Steven- kindest
Marc- balanced
Jake- most violent
Upon rewatch see the moments Jake arrived and disappeared.
The man(men), the hero(es), the inner(outer) trinity of personality.
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I am so happy you enjoyed this show. Isaac said that he wanted the show to be a total manifestation of the inner turmoil of the character. It's interesting to think about the two times the Jackle is banging on the door is a reflection of the mother and Steven going to the storage locker place and having a freak out could actually be him checking into a mental ward and going to his room. The council of the gods could be a mental patient bringing up a complaint against his care taker to a panel of superior doctors. So much symbolism and blending between real world and mental dissociation. Also, water played ahuge role in all the episodes.
Moon Knight goes back to the 70's. He has had many different versions over the decades and thry did a good job blending all the best parts together for this show.
Not to spoil anything, if you wanna read the Moon Knight comics, which I highly recommend btw, but the clinic is something right out of Jeff Lemire's run. And it's just as, if not more mind blowing there, as it is here. Honestly Jeff Lemire's Moon Knight run is one of the best Marvel runs for a character imo.
Agree completely.
Agreed. Though I'm old enough to love Sienkiewicz' art forever and ever.
I actually prefer the Jed MacKay run currently. I love what he’s been doing with the supernatural stuff in the comics really am anticipating Moon Knight’s return in the comics and MCU.
@@JohnnySturdivant That's totally fair. I'm also a fan of that run. It's been a great ride!
Yes! Get the Lamiere/Smallwood trade and the Ellis/Shalvey trade too!
The Ellis stories are six short stories about Moon Knight while the Lamiere run is more of a narrative that this series is based upon.
This was one of my favorite MCU series. Oscar’s performance was incredible
I love how there's hints at a 3rd persona in many of the episodes. It's wonderfully done and more noticeable on a re-watch. As i'm sure you noticed, there are a number of occasions second time around where you see Stephen blackout, then come back to himself with the scene almost drastically different and realize that perhaps it wasn't Marc as assumed (not to mention the couple of times with the actual "was that you?" "No, was that you?" type dialogue)
As always, great show with a great reaction. Catch you for the next one
when watching you feel like you understand but actually you don't understand it but you understand 😂 That's a sign that this show was successful❤
I watch this over and over again and every time I watch I find something new to understand, but if you want you can watch the break down of each ep it's also very fun 🤩
The beginning: Layla was behind Steven and dragging him away from the flashing car lights. When I watched the series, I automatically thought that in the dark, when the car was moving and jumping on the dunes, the people in the car might not have noticed that it was two people. It wasn't a flat desert. The dunes had clearly steep slopes. They didn't see Layla running away. She just disappeared behind the dune. And when they got closer they thought they had shot the person they saw. It didn't even occur to me that anyone might think there was anything strange about it. Instead, I wondered how the machine gun bullets exploded so quickly from a single flare thrown on them.
Sorry, I forgot to say how much I love your reaction. This is such an amazing series. So different from others.
38:41 "bruh" haha, same here when I was watching it.
You called it! In the first video you said “I have a feeling he’s not talking to anyone” when he was on the phone!! 🤯
If I'm not mistaken Oscar played the Dad to young Marc.
and in my humble opinion the Hippo's detail was immaculate.
Also don't feel lesser because you were confused.... we were ALL confused right about the same time confusion over took you.
Great reaction.
man.... as someone who had an abusive alcoholic mother, episode 5 has a very special place in my broken heart
Jake is the most brutal and terrifying of the three personalities. I'd call him an anti-hero, but from what we've seen of him in this series, we can't even be sure he's out for anyone but himself.
Marvel has these great "making of" featurettes called "Assembled". I have no idea why they keep them separate from the features themselves, but they are all on Disney+. They've done them for each of the series, as well as a few of the movies. Really interesting stuff, worth checking out. Also, while I don't know if it's been officially announced, Moon Knight season 2 is most likely in the works right now. Oscar Isaac was spotted in Cairo. When asked why he was there he answered something to the effect of "why do you think?" hinting very strongly that they are shooting season 2.
oooooh interesting to hear, I remember hearing they had confirmed they would not be moving forward with moon knight in the MCU directly after it first released, so its great to hear that they might have gone back on that.
Moon knight is such a unique character I see a lot of people comparing him to Batman but apart from being a vigilante and having a similar look (at least in the comics) he is so unique and what I love most about him is that Taskmaster in the comic tries his most to avoid moon knight because he doesn’t want to mimic his fighting style because moon knight would rather take a hit instead of blocking or dodging it there is also Deadpool that taskmaster can just not mimic at all because he is too unpredictable
comic book moon knight's evolved through a number of reboots. he debuted in 1975 as a mercenary villain-of-the-month in the horror series"werewolf-by-night". a year later he was rebooted as a batman-style playboy superhero with three secret identities (not personalities), playboy millionaire steven grant, mercenary marc spector and taxi driver jake locksley. he also had an alfred-style assistant jean-paul "frenchie" duchamp (whose name appears on the phone steven finds in episode 2). in 1980 he was rebooted as an avatar of the god konshu. his mental instability was introduced in another reboot in 2006.
59:30 this show is super rewatcheable, they mastered the show don’t tell with this one. There’s so many details you can pick up and so much imagery and things to speculate about, it’s great. There’s no enough shows like this.b
Thank you for posting these. I would’ve not been about to experience this cinema masterpiece otherwise! You’re the best!
There is also quite a few great moon knight comics that focus on what is real and what is not and a few that take place in mental health facilities where he is questioning his own realities and they are worth he read
In the comics, Moonknight is featured on a supernatural team that includes characters like Dr. Strange and Blade.
Mark is the primary. Stephen and Jake are alters.
Another character with multiple personalities is Legion in Marvel. Another similar character in DC comics is on the Doom Patrol team. Both shows are quite good.
Sentry, hulk, and green goblin have it as well
So many great villains follow after Walter Sobchak: they're not wrong, they're just assholes. Harrow is definitely one of them. So is Khonshu, even though he's not quite the villain. Harrow isn't wrong about Khonshu being an abuser of his avatars, but Khonshu isn't wrong about Ammit prosecuting the innocent or being so hypocritical as to accept someone as evil as Harrow to carry out her goal of ridding the world of evil.
This show was great. I love the attention detail when they were confronted by the sand creature from the Duat only attacked Marc technically Steven isn’t real, so no matter how hard he fought he couldn’t physically hurt them but Steven could.
There have been hints throughout the series that there were three personalities. When they would show reflections, there would usually be the person looking, and then at least two reflections in the background (unless it was a one on one conversation). There were three mirrors in Steven's apartment. In the credit's, Marc/Steven's face splits into 3 pieces. There was another coffin after Marc opened Steven's that was rattling and looked darker.
And in the Asylum episode, we cut back to Harrow three times. The last two times were definitely Marc and Steven respectively. But the first one, the one that has a bandage on his nose, who tries to attack Harrow and the one that they forcibly drug, that one has a different accent than Marc does. HIs accent is more like a New York cab driver (which Jake Lockley is in the comics). He also has a completely different facial expression that Marc never has, and obviously he has the most violent and confrontational behavior. I'm certain that was Jake. I think you can also hear him in this final therapy session when he says "While it is tempting to accept your diagnosis, Doc", again, it's not Marc's accent or way of speaking
I absolutely love this level of detail that just perfectly builds up this twist for anyone that didn't know the comics
"While it is tempting to accept your diagnosis, doc" is absolutely Mark talking, not Jake. Mark does have a New York accent, it's just not very pronounced, except when he is being sassy (as in this scene). Rewatch a bit and you'll see what I mean
Jake, on the other hand, is Cuban (like Oscar's own ethnicity).
This show’s version of Egyptian mythology is very different from the version made in Ancient Egypt. Ammit was never a villain, and she certainly didn’t promote punishing the living for sins they hadn’t committed yet. Her entire job was eating souls after they’d died.
Khonshu was less active in the myths; Horus or Ra would have been more likely to take an avatar. Ra, the sun god, did more monster fighting in the myths than the moon god ever did.
The hippo goddess being part of the Underworld is a huge change. She’s a goddess of childbirth, not death. Most likely, the show gave her the job because the usual underworld gods - Osiris and Anubis - would have been a lot darker, and that episode needed some moments of levity.
Altogether, Egyptian mythology makes for some cool imagery, but the characters don’t lend themselves to superhero stuff as well as Thor and the Norse myths, so the show/comics took a lot of creative license.
As someone with DID, largely specifically from childhood abuse, episode 5 is pretty hard to watch. The reason that is though is one of the best and strangest things about the series, that being that despite the Egyptian Gods and Superheroes this series is actually in many ways one of the most realistic depictions of DID.
A lot of the other most famous pieces of media that depict it often get a lot wrong or leave audiences with wild, often harmful, misconceptions, intentionally or otherwise. With this series though, a lot of it really is, appropriately enough given how Marc and Steven communicate, like looking in a mirror.
The only problem I have with the finale is that it raises more questions than answers without a confirmation of a season 2. Like, it’s been 2 years and we still haven’t gotten an update on Moonknight 😭. Other than that I’d give the overall show a 8.5-9
In the "hospital" there was the other sarcophagus that was shaking crazily. That was Jake trying to get out.
I believe there’s a season 2 in the works but what they’re really building towards is Midnight Sons. My second favorite team after Guardian/Alpha Flight
Man, that fifth episode really bamboozled ya! Enjoying the reactions!
Absolutely did haha! Thank you!
A big change from the comics that’s not a super popular change among fans is that Moon Knight is much more of a street level hero like Daredevil. He’s not really known for Indiana Jones type archaeology adventures or these kinds of Egyptian god Kaiju fights.
I don’t mind it because I see it as a variant of the character for the MCU.
I’ve not read much Moon Knight, admittedly, but from what I did read every issue felt like he was a different character (because he was technically), so I see this as just another one.
hmm Small disagree on this. The original book runs of MK and MK Fist of Khonshu ( 80, 85) was definitely the adventure/tomb robber type. That's where all the Bushman stories came from. But yeah, by the time the 'Spector' run began in 89, it was all street level... i think the decision to do all this here was to, in effect, flesh out an 'origin' story line, whilst not really paying attention to it...
8:40 I love how this part of this episode is a better Tomb Raider movie than any of the Tomb Raider movies.
Based on the work of Cinema Therapy, this is a pretty accurate depiction of Dissociative Identity Disorder, even down to the way it starts. It is near universal that childhood trauma leads to the brain needing someone during such a traumatic time, even if it’s another personality. Oscar Isaac deserved all the appreciation he got for this, it’s an amazing performance. You can literally SEE the difference between Steven and Marc, without him saying a word… such acting, such amaze.
Marc still was the original avatar as we saw in the flashback, but Jake was his most 'loyal' one, most efficient. Although Jake never fronted all that often, since both Marc and Steven had no idea about him, which Khonshu very much wanted to keep it that way. So Marc was his main avatar for most of the time.
Also in the flashback when Khonshu met Marc he did say how he saw *all* of his mind. 'Broken, fractured, how fascinating'. He didn't just see Steven in there, he saw Jake.
Khonshu: 'oh how neat! Two avatars for the price of one!'
Also how in the last episode Khonshu was careful to say 'i'll release you *both*'. Also why he didn't argue with Marc when he refused to do what he wanted.
There's so much potential with Jake and all three of them. They can't do what they did in this series for Steven super quickly for Jake in an ensemble movie. They *need* to give them a season two before the Moon Knight system joins the movie verse.
But at this point, after two years, other than little hints from Oscar we got nothing. I know Loki season two took some time to come out too and the technically WandaVision season two is still in the works so i'm still holding on some hope that they will give Jakey justice.
I'm still writing a season two for Jake’s story arc just in case.
Oh and the theory I like best is that Jake came to be at the same time as Steven did. He was the one that fronted when Marc dragged them outvof the room.
Wow.. even in reactions, Episode 5 makes me cry every single time. One of my favorite MCU origins even though it's heartbreaking to see how he became the way he is.
I didn’t dislike this series. I also didn’t enjoy it as much as it seems most people did. In fact, it’s near the bottom of my MCU list.
I loved the complexity and drama of episode 5. I loved Laila and seeing her as the Scarlet Scarab. I loved seeing Marc & Steven working together.
That being said, this show left much to be desired. The story presented way too many questions and not nearly enough answers. We weren’t given any news from Marvel that we would ever see these characters again. We have no idea what Jake was doing all season, why he wasn’t a part of the soul balancing or how he saved everyone from Harrow.
The action was fun. The costumes were cool. Ethnic diversity…👍🏾, but this show, (especially the last 3 episodes) caused too much confusion not enough closure.
Jake Lockley is Marc's third personality, if you remember to episode 5 there's another casket that doesn't get open but you can hear someone knocking from the inside.
Its Jake lockley all along...🎶
So Marc is Moon Knight, Steven is Mr. Knight and Layla has become Scarlet Scarab
I was wondering about that! THAT'S SO COOL!
I really enjoyed this series. When you re watch it you'll see hints of jake throughout the series.
If no one has mentioned it yet, this is kind of a hodgepodge when it comes to story. There is an Arther Harrow in the comics but he is completely different from this one (if I recall correctly, Harrow is a Nazi in the comics). If you want to read any Moon Knight, I would recommend the complete collection by Jeff Lemire AND the complete collection by Jed MacKay, both incredible for their own reasons. The Jeff Lemire run could be considered the closest source material for the show, though there are a lot of changes. The writing in his run is also phenomenal. The Jed MacKay run is also very well written, but in my opinion, the artwork is much more suited to the darkness of the Moon Knight character. Also, Jeff’s run can be purchased in a full book. Jed’s run just somewhat recently finished so a full collection book hasn’t been published yet, and Jed is also currently writing the sequel to that run called “Vengeance of the Moon Knight” which is only up to five issues so far. If you don’t want something that long, a good short series is Moon Knight: City of the Dead, which also has Layla El-Faouly as The Scarlet Scarrab (how she was in Episode 6). That run is only five issues in total and is pretty fun. Enjoy the reading.
It was honestly kind of fun to see you so convinced that the asylum was the real world XD Like, I had the benefit of hindsight, so I'm not saying that your impression of it was invalid. Just fun to watch XD I really love this show on the whole, though, and I do think that the second half is the "stronger" half of the series... but that isn't to say that any of it is weak. This whole series is a wonderful look at a very challenging mental health issue, and I love that they gave it the respect that they did. And yes. We need more Moon Knight and more Layla as Tawaret's avatar!
Also thi show is how we had Ethan Hawke in Glass Onion as they were filmed near to each other and Ethan was able to hop over to the other set for a quick cameo.
Jake was also the one screaming within the sarcophagus during the institution scene
Everyone Marc saw in the psych ward was someone we met earlier in the season.
This series was good for me. I just wish they gave it maybe one or two more episodes, to show us more with Arthur Harrow. As well as doing a bit more with the Jake Lockley thing. Plus I really wish we got more missions and moon knight fight scenes with Mark.
Those cupcakes look fucking delicious. 😂😂😂
51:29, every time they're on screen together, i get the impression that Khonshu and Ammit used to have something going on, y'know?
Episode five is the shadow work. The exploration of the dark abyss of the subconscious.
When this was first airing, I prepped my friend with something like "just so you know, Moon Knight is definitely from the... weirder corner of Marvel. So I expect this to be a little more wild than other Marvel stuff." The. For the first three episodes, I looked like a liar, lol. Finally we got to 4 and 5 and she was like "oh. OK. I see what you meant."
I would love a season 2, but Oscar is somewhat busy being in every major franchise in existence, so who knows if that will ever happen.
Your observation that on re-watch there would be things to catch, is correct.
Because I've read the comic book and know the story I knew that Jake existed.
There's a moment where the thugs are murdered on the cliff. Steven and Marc are blaming each other. It confuses the casual viewer. Those of us who already know Moon Knight's story realized....oooh!!!😮 that would be Jake.
Then at one point when Steven is talking to "Dr. Harrow" he suddenly changes to sounding more like a Brooklyn boxer. That would be Jake.
It's a brief moment, but when you re-watch you can see it. I don't want to say much more than you already know. But the main point that you're now in the loop on.... is that there are 3 personalities.
It was hinted at and you'll spot those hints if you re-watch. 😁
I def caught them when I was editing this! It was very cool.
Okay, so I feel like from the end to episode 4 onwards there's 3 different levels to this story:
1. The "real" world. Which is the one where Marc is Moon Knight, Harrow becomes Ammit's avatar, they fight, etc.
2. The duat world, aka the Egyptian underworld. This is basically the limbo between life and death, that Marc and Steven experience, after getting shot by Harrow.
3. Now, this is the most interesting level. It's the psychiatric ward, where Marc and Steven (and possibly Jake) are being held. In my opinion this is the subconscious part of Marc/Steven, that wants to just get rid of the DID and is triggered by his near death/death experience. But in the end, and this is the most important bit, both Marc and Steven realize that they are not broken. While therapist Harrow is surely pretty convincing and makes some good points, Marc/Steven working together and "integrating" is the path forward. Yes, they live with DID, but instead of cutting off/giving up one of the alters, instead they decide to live and work together in harmony as best as they can.
A lot of the comic fans were upset we didn't see more of Jake and the sorts of things he gets up to. There is no way they could put that stuff on Disney+ though. The angrier side of MK's most infamous feat is removing an enemies face and wearing it as a trophy.
MK is in world famous as the one hero no one (hero or villain) really wants to mess with because they have no idea what will happen. Taskmaster (who has taken the entire Avengers on for cash) simply refuses to take any job where MK could even be vaguely involved for example.
Great show though, really enjoyed it and our reaction. Thanks :)
I don't have DID but I have gone through similar experiences as Marc so Episode 5 has been always hard to watch but also cathartic in a way and which is why Moon Knight is my favourite MCU character as I relate to them.
It was a pleasure of watching your reaction to moon knight Kaiielle 🌙 Can't wait to see your next reaction tomorrow either a movie or a next show if it's a next show I know it's Ms Marvels ⚡!!!
Everytime there was a blackout in the show, it was Jake taking over. Marc is the original. Jake was why Konshu wanted him, though.
Originally, this show was supposed to have some connections to the existing MCU, but they dropped them, which worked pretty well.
If I had to guess, the reason the other Egyptian gods are hiding is due to the events of Thor 4, but that’s my head-canon for now.
59:03 yup their DID is in the comics, although the portrayal of it vary *widely* depending on the runs. If you're curious to read the comics I recommend Jed Mackay's 2021-2022 run. He actually consulted with real people with DID for it. There's also a even newer miniseries where Layla got added to the comics canon! I'm so happy about that! (Yeah Layla is an original-ish character for the show. The story of how she was created is pretty interesting.)
They did change quite a bit for their characters in the show though. Although I think they're all good changes.
There is a TH-cam channel called The Infinity System, where a real-life DID system (the name for the group of alters as a whole) reviews this show and talks about what they got right and wrong. It's a really interesting watch.
Night at desert without stars and moon
Is terrifying dark
Some moonknight short story comic runs to get you started. Ebay is a good place to look.
Moonknight: From the dead
Moonknight: Lunatic
Moonknight: Reincarnations
Moonknight: Birth and Death
Moonknight: The Bottom
I think the only true way to tell what was “real” and what was in his head is every scene in the hospital had Marc and Steven present. The real world had people interacting with each other without mark or Steven there.
Oscar was the whole show. i would prefered if the hospital was real, because then many things that doesnt make sense would be ok. the big one was the stars sky reverse that resolved to konshou been trapped... they could be done that with an app. medium show but top performance of Oscar!
I love how Marvel institutionalizes the audience in episode four.
You’ll see more hints of Jake on a rewatch.
Damn. I forgot about the hippo. Shit gets real weird after that.
Some aspects of this show remind of the FX series Legion. That one is a total mind fork, if you've never seen it.
It's not if Mark has an alter identity, or whether in the MCU that Gods & Khonshu exist. The question is how many does Mark have. In DID cases it's not unheard of to have over 100! Great Show, great character & great reaction. Moon Knight is an interesting comic. Volume 1 is kind of Batman. The other identities gradually appear & when you sit back & look at it in it's entirety what is real, what isn't. Is he in a room with most of it in his head. Is he a normal guy, a wannabe Batman. Is he an avatar of Khonshu. Kind of reminds me of Vampire's Kiss with Nicholas Cage. In this world, the MCU he is likely an Avatar, isn't he? In this world he is sedated and mostly in his world. When this show came out I watched several content creators that have DID that were watching the show. Most liked the delicate way Marvel handled a difficult subject. Usually DID is presented in films as something quite malevolent, a dark hidden twin. For most it's a defence mechanism that their brains learnt to protect them from trauma. Once learnt it is something that continues through their lives, they create as & when needed. I could go on, Amazing acting, amazing show & another great reaction, thank you. Also Jake appeared a few times in the show, remember in I think it was episode 3, when we see Mark in charge. There is a conversation with Mark & Steven and a lot of dead bodies around them, Mark blames Steven, not likely lol & Steven says not him. Yes episode 5 is my favourite episode in the MCU even if Loki season 2 is now my favourite show (this now second)
Hey, I just checked your letterboxd rankings and Shang-Chi, Eternals, Hawkeye and No Way Home seem to be at the bottom of the list, I don't think that's intentional, right? Just wanted to let you know, incase you hadn't caught that yet!
Yeah sorry, I had been adding the movies to that list but not actually moving them into their "place". Fixed now!
hey there! Regarding future moon knight, as the avengers and the defenders (daredevil, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, etc) there's a team up with Kit Harrington's character in eternals, blade the vampire and moon knight, so, fingers crossed.
Regarding the mcu series, you mention wandavision and this one, deservedly so, but have you seen loki? With loki there's a trifecta of outstanding marvel tv IMHO
@41:10--I am a little concerned to hear you say that Harrow as a therapist is great. I wonder if you feel the same after re-watch or edit. In my view, "Dr Harrow" is even more direly in need of a wood-chipper than Follower-of-Ammit Harrow. As an antagonist, even dare I say a villain, Harrow is smug, self-righteous, condescending, and incredibly dangerous, which is completely right for what he is. As a therapist, those qualities are absolutely appalling and have zero place in such a role. Worse, he is manipulative and dismissive, and at best seems more interested in pushing his own agendas than in his patient's (or patients') well-being.
Even Bucky's therapist in Falcon and the Winter Soldier was better, and she missed on a great many levels as a therapist, in my opinion.
Don't worry, editing this definitely HIT differently and things made way more sense and yeah Harrow is not a good person. It's the one downside of doing first time reactions - I think that viewers think that we will always feel that way about what we're watching.
You seem to be misunderstanding. The clinic is not the real world.
Misunderstanding can be common on a first watch. 😄
You missed the pov of the men in the truck and how dark the desert is at 1:56
you get so much wrong...
Yeah, that happens sometimes with a first watch!
Oscar was epic in this series. Because it wasn't a mainstream hero I feel like it wasn't as big a deal as it should have been. Moon Knight has been around quite some time though and teams up with heroes like Blade, Elsa, Bloodstone, Man-Thing, Ghost Rider, and even Wolverine for a time as the Midnight Sons most notably.
Oscar Isaac’s acting in the series is exceptional, but in Episode 5, it’s just next-level to me. I think he also does an amazing job of bringing the different aspects of the comic book character to life, and I was pretty skeptical about the show at first, but after watching it, I’m very impressed with the whole series.
I’m so excited for you to dive into the world of the comic books, and hopefully develop an even deeper enjoyment of Moon Knight.
Oscar Isaac’s acting in the series is exceptional, but in Episode 5, it’s just next-level to me. I think he also does an amazing job of bringing the different aspects of the comic book character to life, and I was pretty skeptical about the show at first, but after watching it, I’m very impressed with the whole series.
I’m so excited for you to dive into the world of the comic books, and hopefully develop an even deeper enjoyment of Moon Knight.