And to do that, you have to make sure it _doesn't suck_ the moment it's opened. **cough** Metrodome, Kingdome, RCA Dome, Montreal Olympic Stadium, Silverdome.. all low-budget domes that were outdated the moment they were opened. (I guess the Carrier Dome managed to stick around despite being garbage, but colleges have lower standards. (Or at least Syracuse does.))
That was the initial idea for the GA Dome, until it got hit by a tornado. The damage inflicted, and the cost to properly repair it, was in large part what led to Mercedes Benz Stadium.
@@litz13 That is very good to know about the Georgia Dome. I thought it was because Atlanta was being stupid and wanted to replace their already good stadium with a billion dollar one just to keep up with other cities' clout.
There's actually some examples of outdoor stadiums that were converted into dome stadiums, such as the Arena da Baixada in Brazil, the Belluna Dome in Tokyo and the Santiago Bernabeu in Madrid!
Also, Sochi’s Olympic Stadium had a temporary roof added for the games. It was not part of the original design, and was added partway through construction because Putin wanted to waste $70 million or something on a roof he’d deconstruct after the ceremonies.
To be fair, Arena da Baixada was built with a roof planned for the future, and Santiago Bernabeu is only just building a roof after decades of planning, supporting the key point of the video. Belluna Dome has just a canopy and the sides are open all the way around (oh, and nobody likes it because it turns into a sauna in summer...well, even more of a sauna than the rest of Tokyo).
@@rockinmel1 yeah and for Seibu their canopy was built over a bowl, any shape more complicated would be very difficult and Lambeau while being round and bowl like would absolutely want to be enclosed
@@matthewlaird4009 Exactly, plus Seibu's stadium is also dug out rather than built up, making it much easier to build a canopy with the bare minimum of support infrastructure (basically equally spaced "feet" on the ground). I was kind of impressed when I first saw it in person, although inside...not so much.
Living in Detroit I've been pretty spoiled going to Lions games because we had the Silverdome then Ford Field. Building a new stadium with a roof has all sorts of advantages. With the roof in Detroit we have hosted 2 Superbowls one in the Silverdome and one at Ford Field. We have hosted the NCAA final 4 and the NCAA frozen 4 and a college bowl game. The list goes on with all the extra events that a dome can host, which brings well needed money to the city of Detroit. I love your channel and your videos. I always learn some really cool stuff watching your videos. Keep up the phenomenal work my friend!
Minnesota is almost identical, except we had indoor MLB baseball with 2 World Series, plus Big 10 college football - meaning September and October often saw the Vikings, Twins, and Gophers all jockeying for stadium prep each weekend. I see a lot of Ford Field influences in US Bank Stadium, only taken to the technological extreme to allow full sunlight onto the field.
And this statement holds a lot of truth because outside of the 4 months of football the stadium is being used, it's sitting empty. Having a stadium outdoors isn't some pussification of 🏈, it's to rack up more revenue from events. A stadium used 10 out of 12 months per year is a good venue
As nice as domed stadiums are I always hope that there are still a majority of teams playing outdoors, it just adds another level of interest to the game for me. Some of my favorite games I’ve been too were in the snow at Heinz Field. Adds a whole other level of atmosphere to the game and I just like that when you travel somewhere you have to play in that climate whether it’s Florida heat or snowy winters up North. It gives more of a uniqueness to each city that they are playing in
Especially with NFL prices, I'm not paying to be in disastrous weather. The outdoor events in poor weather is stupid. This is why in the winter I'm only going to NBA games or indoor NFL.
there is the santiago bernabeu in Madrid that is doing the exact thing though at $700 million, it isn't cheap. mind you that also includes the cost of installing a retractable pitch and a number of interior and exterior upgrades
In the 2000's there was some semi-serious discussion about putting a dome over the Bristol Motor Speedway in Bristol, VA. While not a race fan myself, I did have some morbid curiosity wanting me to see it happen, it only to see how many people it deafened.
With the past few years races getting constantly rained out, those discussions actually resurfaced earlier this year, and if I recall correctly, the organization that owns the track actually said it is being considered again. Though, that was back in March, and there hasn't been anything said about it since, unfortunately.
The Santiago Bernabéu Stadium in Madrid Spain, which is the home stadium of the Spanish soccer/football team Real Madrid. That stadium is going through a serious renovation process. Specifically going from an outdoor stadium to an indoor stadium. Alongside climate control and a underground retractable field/pitch. The total cost is said to surpass 700 million USD, some estimates indicate as a high as 1 billion USD. After renovation are complete, there’s rumors that the NFL could schedule a game at the Santiago Bernabéu.
Oh fuck yea. Madrid is even adding a middle portion of the roof will be RETRACTACBLE. So not only is it getting a roof...? A retractable one too. Super cool and im sure there would be amazing days/nights to have the sky come into the pitch :)
@@DownriverBusinessEventsGroup so this is the biggest part about the pitch…it’s split in SIX sections (I think 6..) and each section will be moved 6 floors UNDERGROUND right next to the pitch on the ground level. It’ll be natural of course and they’ll have state of the art equipment in those 6 floors to maintain a natural field 👍👍
@@odischeese21 How is that growing it inside? To me that sounds like they are growing it outside and moving it inside. That would be similar to what happened at The Silverdome in The Games that it hosted during the 94 World Cup.
@@DownriverBusinessEventsGroupThe retractable pitch will be housed in six underground levels that reach a depth of over 25 metres and feature an underground irrigation system, as well as ultraviolet lighting for the pitch grass.
Wimbledon added a retractable roof and air-conditioning to two of their stadiums. The first was added in 2009, and cost approximately $165 million. The second was added in 2019, and cost approximately $85 million. I'm not sure why it cost so much less to add one in 2019.
Centre Court was practically rebuilt over three years in addition to the roof, so thats why it cost more. No 1. court was newer, opening in 1997, so didnt need as much structural work
Well I don't know about many sports stadiums but I know Citi Field which is the ballpark the Mets play in, the softer soil in the area (due to the bay) is the reason adding a roof would cost at least $2 billion because of the extra support it would require to make sure the whole structure is stable.
Little-known fact: the Truman Sports Complex (Chiefs/Royals) was originally intended to have one retractable roof movable between the two stadiums. Also, as other commenters have mentioned, the "building inside a building" concept has been done numerous times to build or retrofit canopies over stadiums large and small, but as you've pointed out, to make it climate-controlled is a whole other animal.
Allegedly MetLife Stadium was built with the ability to add a roof. Idk if that’s true though, but if it is, based on complaints I’ve heard about MetLife then maybe it’s something they should seriously consider
@@mike_404 it is very much like Comiskey Park in Chicago. It was built a year before Camden Yards. Then the era of new retro parks came in, leaving Comiskey behind. It is just kind of there. No charm or Anything kind of cool about it. It’s just kind of there.
@@Mr.E723 true. MetLife is a waste for not appealing to be a year-round used stadium to casuals, despite being located outside of the largest city in America. Levi's for being too outside of an important city and just being too "we're over here" vibe
There was a proposal to turn the Cotton Bowl in Dallas into the Cotton Dome. The website for that proposal depicted a structure architecturally similar to American Airlines Center covering the stadium.
The Kansas City roof proposal is an off shoot of an old idea to have a moveable roof between the baseball and football stadiums when they both build in the early 70's. The roof would ride along a rail (you can kind of see the path intended in the photo) and open on either side. I think one consideration would be it could a roof withstand severe weather, with KC being in tornado prone area.
you are absolutely correct! I remember seeing the old drawing back in the day and I believe it looked like a potato chip... was really innovative thinking at the time but very weird when you look at it lol.
Actually it's very possible to put a roof over an open air stadium. Seibu Stadium in Japan & Montreal's Stade Olympique come to mind. Also,, did you see the sarcophagus they did in Chernobyl? That thing covers the entire nuclear plant zone that caused the famous meltdown in 1986. Anyway, it should have been attempted at the old Globe Life Park in Arlington. But Nolan Ryan was one helluva smooth talkin Texan when he pointed out that the cost of the roof would have been as much as it would be for building a new retractable roof stadium (Heh, yeah like 50yrs down the road it'll be worth it). Great video, keep it up. Great work!
Stade Olypique was always meant to have a roof. In fact a retractable roof. But it was finally finished 10 years after it was finished (outdoor). It was also renovated and no longer opens.
Vancouver did it for the Winter Olympics. Changed from a fixed bubble inflated roof to a complete retractable design. The supports for the retractable design was not part of the original bubble design. The cost benefit analysis was overtaken by schedule and the cost was comparable to a new stadium built from ground up.
They did it after the Olympics, the Loins played 2012, and 2013 at Empire field. I'm from Hamilton, and a big CFL fan. I like that a city with money like Vancouver, was willing to build what I feel is the best stadium in the league.
I'm sure you COULD do it, the architecture expertise and technology is there, but like you pointed out, the cost would, at best, be negligibly less compared to a whole new stadium where you could have every aspect controlled to a much finer degree. And beetlejuice has terrible ideas, that's another issue
Most of these football & stadiums should have retractable roofs and domes from the start before building them. I will agree that it's a bit expensive. But it's worth it. I'm from Pittsburgh, PA and I wanted a roof on top of Acruisure Stadium so I can enjoy a concert or a BIG Wrestling Event.
They could have done it with Chicago Bears, Soldier Field because the tor thing down and rebuilt it. The Facade was the only thing left of the original building. I can't understand why you would spend so much money to pretend your building is old. Lambeau Field never gutted the building and rebuilt. They actually added on instead. Lambeau field just got bigger and bigger as I grew up. And right now they are adding on to the structure again. It's insane the structure that surrounds the old part of the bowl.
Some crazy ideas I have in mind: 1. Build a smaller shed or canopy inside the stadium (meaning the posts or poles would be nearby the playing field). Probably not because it would have obscured the view from the top levels, also the risk of players crashing into those poles 2. Build a stadium underground (??????) 3. Hold events or games at midnight. Would definitely remove the problem of sun exposure but the timing wouldn't be fine with spectators
After Shea Stadium opened, there was discussion of enclosing the open end and putting on a roof. Engineering studies determined that ground where Shea sat could not support the additional weight of the roof and the idea was abandoned.
I get the excitement of the outdoor stadiums for Football but it is also very nice to not have to worry about the weather when going to a game lol. Baseball is a sport that has the biggest problem with this, so many games getting postponed because of rain outs
True- but who wants to sit inside on a decent weather day, let alone a beautiful weather day? The thought of spending a spring or summer afternoon or evening inside a dome is unappealing. Give me the elements.
It *can* be done, it's just doesn't really make financial sense most of the time. It's going to be very large and expensive, not a $100 million upgrade, and if you're building that big of an additional structure, the owner would rather knock down the stadium & build a new one to make other revenue generating improvements (like luxury suites) and have all new building infrastructure. An interesting side note, I know it's a much smaller scale, but I remember going to hang out with my friend at a different college in Boston, and we go into the lobby of this sleek modern glass & steel skyscraper building.... and inside the lobby is an entire 1920's-ish brick & marble building. The original college's building, like a giant for it's time bank-ish building, they just built the new (enclosed & climate controlled) building around and above the old one. It was pretty trippy to see glass and steel walkways going *into* where windows on the old building were. It's doable.
Check out the U.S. Open National Tennis Stadium in NYC. It was built as an open-air stadium, and years later - a self-supporting, retractable some was added. This is no small stadium, as 23K+ and the self-supporting principles here could be scaled to meet a larger stadium.
I did i go into it in the video. 23k is not much bigger than a basketball arena so its a bit different doing it at a larger scale. That worked better because the stadium was more square and had no gaps either. Tennis court is a lot easier to cover than a baseball or football field.
My father and uncle were engineers. They didn't design sports stadiums but impressed upon me that engineering issues are a part of our everyday lives. Those darned engineers will get you every time! But for the money to add a dome to an existing stadium, it's easier and more cost effective just to design and build a brand new domed stadium from scratch. Financing it with public funding in today's environment is another matter entirely.
If the old doughnut stadiums still existed, you know the ones that looked like huge ashtrays, had roofs added it may have been as easy as putting a lid on a coffee cup maybe this could have been done. Think old Three Rivers Stadium or Riverfront Stadium or Veterans Stadium (Pittsburgh, Cincinnati and Philadelphia). Bad sucky a suspended roof and enclosing the round concourses and perhaps it would be feasible. Today the best that could be done to stadiums that are asymmetrical would be to use something like Miami but that wouldn’t keep out the cold in places like Minnesota, Detroit or Cleveland. It would be better to start all over again instead of attempting to retrofit a ceiling on an existing stadium. Baseball stadiums would just never work. Think of all the odd angles of Fenway Park and you understand that it might cost more and certainly be inferior the just plowing the old and building the new. In the old days of automobiles there was a market for aftermarket air conditioning that was both costly and looked like a unit hanging out a bedroom window. The same can be said for stadiums. Wonderful video as usual. I rarely post but watch every video that you produce.
Arrowhead stadium , Soldier Field and Lambeau field were never intended as year round stadiums. Soldier Field and Lambeau have been around forever !!!! The only new stadium that confuses me is Metlife . You build it near 1 of the larger populated areas of the USA in an area known for snowy winters and you don't make it a dome ???? Who's idiotic idea was that!!!
Idk man we don't do it in America but there are stadiums that have been converted overseas. Obviously the whole point though would be to mitigate precipitation like snow and rain. It wouldn't necessarily need to be climate controlled. I'm sure fans from Wisconsin and Chicago wouldn't mind the harsh cold. They already attend in the freezing temperatures anyway, but if you can keep everyone from getting wet that would probably be an optimal situation. The problem probably lies in the thousands of pounds of snow and ice on a makeshift roof. Like So-Fi Stadium (which is a must visit stadium) has a planned overhead structure that's part of the building, but its still an open air stadium, obviously in LA this is ideal because you hardly have to worry about snow. So you're shaded and protected from rain, but still technically outside. I'm sure it's cheaper for most NFL orgs to just build a second slightly smaller enclosed stadium for harsh weather days anyway as you would probably only use it a few times every few years. Edit: like the Bills game this week was re-located, which doesn't happen often but if every team had a "backup" stadium to conduct game day operations it would probably be worth the investment, at least to the fans lol
Rather than a roof, what about a canopy for baseball stadiums. Removable in the summer, not to be used in rain. But enough for cold weather teams to keep drifting snow and the super cold out during fist week of season and during world series?
I always envision a clam shell ( rolling roof) type deal where not only it covers the stadium but also a hundred yards around the perimeter of it. Your Hvac systems ( chiller , boilers) don’t necessarily need to come from within side the stadium but can get pipe underground into the stadium. What’s left ( and an important factor) is you have to develop some type of exhaust systems on this rolling roof.
Can't turn an outdoor stadium into an indoor one you say... tell that to the Saitama Seibu Lions. Seibu Dome used to be an open air stadium, but they added a roof to it in the 90s, and left a gap between the dome and the stadium proper to let air in so that the ball would still carry.
Montreal's Olympic Stadium was open air for a decade before they added the roof. Doesnt really count because originally the roof was suppose to be ready in 1976 in time for the Olympics and baseball and football.
They put a roof on the Olympic Stadium in Montreal. They did a horrible job of it, but they did it. Also, the University of Idaho enclosed their previously outdoor stadium. It's not a big stadium and not much of a "dome", but it was done.
The Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome in Minneapolis had a roof made of Teflon-coated fiberglass fabric. The roof was held in place by air currents from below. Unfortunately, the roof collapsed so many times, the entire stadium had to be taken down.
Those air currents especially from the Large Air Conditioner behind Home Plate are what help propel The Twins into hitting so many Homeruns. Baseball was never meant to be played in a dome.
Strangely, the Carrier Dome in Syracuse is designed by the same architects as the Metro Dome and is quite similar, yet has never collapsed. Even with the weight of Upstate NY’s considerable precipitation, the Carrier Dome’s fibreglass roof has held firm.
As far as Kansas City is concerned, IIRC the roof was rejected because, not in spite, of "the elements": voting Chiefs fans decided that the home-field benefits of open Arrowhead (as far as baseball is concerned, if Kauffman is roofed the Royals still lose to Bumgarner in 2014 and take care of the Mets the next year) outweighed the off-field benefits of an enclosed stadium.
It is my belief that the next stadium trend everyone will go crazy for is when a retractable roof stadium truly makes the stadium feel outdoors. AT&T stadium for example is not outdoors even with the roof and end zone doors fully opened. I've always wondered why carbon fiber isn't the go to roof material since it's stronger and lighter than steel.
The stadium opened in 1992 but the retractable roof was added in 2001. It might have been that the design allowed for a retractable roof to be added later. I can’t seem to find any information that confirms this though.
Lol the reason lightfoot lost the Bears is because she is soooo bad at her job that the crime got ridiculously out of hand the Bears left. A dome would have made no difference.
Actually, no. The McCauskeys are buying land in Arlington Heights as make an entertainment district for the Bears to be more profitable once they sell the team. The family's end goal is to sell the team by mid-2030 Leaving them in Chicago proper any long would lose them the profit potential
The most I could ever see is a roof like the Mariners stadium. The roof isn't sealing, instead functioning like a shed, but you still have to build a roof structure about the existing stadium and worry about some ventilation. It just doesn't seem worthwhile.
This makes sense if you have essentially a disposable stadium, like Washington, where they are going to build a new stadium not just keep up the old one. A place like Green Bay, where the idea is to keep Lambeau open? If they want to put a roof on it, why not do it? Yeah it may be expensive, but they aren't replacing the stadium and NFL franchises aren't hurting for money. Also, like how they added concourses, they could have added the roof then, let the concourse buildings support the roof and solve an issues with the stadium not being able to support it. The climate control part might be difficult, but definitely not impossible. You're right though, for most places, building a new stadium would be a better choice. Teams like the Red Sox, Cubs, and Packers might be willing to spend the money to make their places more comfortable, yet keep their 100 year old stadiums
@@DownriverBusinessEventsGroup I'm not saying they should do it, necessarily. What I am saying is if you have an iconic stadium that you don't want to get rid of, but you need or want an indoor stadium, that's a reason to spend the money and add a dome to it.
Yup. The roof structure itself is not connected to the actual stadium, similar to Marlins Park in Miami. Building a roof cap over an existing stadium is no fear of engineering nor all that expensive (for a billionaire)
The roof lights up at night, doesn’t appear to be of heavy weight… and a game was delayed for lightning (rare in LA) because the roof apparently can’t handle it. It’s not as open air as T-Mobile for the Mariners, but air can flow through it (and in some surprising places). So fans at the CFB championship in January were getting wet because of a storm blowing through.
It's not about millionaire athletes playing in weather. It is first about increasing your attendance fanbase by being able to have them watch a game in a climate controlled environment and second and more importantly it is about being able to increase the amount of events that the stadium can host. Which equals BIG $$$$$ 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑!!!!!!
You forgot to mention that the Harry S. Truman sports complex (Arrowhead and Kauffman stadiums) were designed to have a rolling roof that could cover either stadium from the very beginning. The rolling roof is the reason why Arrowhead's upper deck has the unique shape it has. Cost overruns during the original construction of the stadiums ultimately caused the roof to be scrapped. Had the measure passed in 2006, the complex would have actually been completed as initially planned, which obviously never happened. Kansas City was going to have the world's first retractable roofed stadiums 17 years before the Skydome opened in Toronto... THAT is how far ahead of its time that sports complex was when it was built. Over 50 years later they are still two of the best stadiums in the world. When everyone else was building shitty cookie cutter multipurpose stadiums that sucked for both sports, Kansas City couldn't have gotten it more right than they did.
I stopped watching when the guy said: “Now comes the part where I tell you why you can’t put a roof on, or why you would never want to.” “First off, it’s never been attempted.” Really? If that was ever an acceptable reason to not try to do something, we humans would never accomplish anything!
and just like that new soldier field roof renovation projects this past week proves you completely wrong. Chitown trying very hard to keep bears at renovated soldier field with roof by 2026 now.
The main issue with stadiums isn't "domed" or open air per se, it's can we get a climate controlled retractable roof stadium. That's the gold standard. All MLB stadiums should have this. NFL not so much
For the bears your comment is beyond accurate two key words is last ditch she is desperate they have done to much damage to it all ready you would have to have them temporary move to champion urban and implode the old one and build the new one the way she wants that's not happening any time soon the people, fans, and the owners are not going for that
The Packers have a closed structure, and they are hit the worst by the climate, but their stadium has historically the greatest gravitas. The Colosseum in Rome is out of use for centuries, but nobody (sane) will ever suggest to demolish it in order to use this very valuable area for other purposes. But we all know why, and we all agree. If they will ever try it, then there. But when one thinks of Soldier Field and how they massacred it...maybe they only did it to get rid of it for the sake of an entirely new stadium.
They won't. The current Packers president, Mark Murphy, will not even entertain it and the current Board of Directors won't bring it up for discussion either.
If you want a dome: Build one and have it last at least 50 years
Like they did in Toronto
@@effend446 New Orleans
And to do that, you have to make sure it _doesn't suck_ the moment it's opened.
**cough** Metrodome, Kingdome, RCA Dome, Montreal Olympic Stadium, Silverdome.. all low-budget domes that were outdated the moment they were opened.
(I guess the Carrier Dome managed to stick around despite being garbage, but colleges have lower standards. (Or at least Syracuse does.))
That was the initial idea for the GA Dome, until it got hit by a tornado.
The damage inflicted, and the cost to properly repair it, was in large part what led to Mercedes Benz Stadium.
@@litz13 That is very good to know about the Georgia Dome.
I thought it was because Atlanta was being stupid and wanted to replace their already good stadium with a billion dollar one just to keep up with other cities' clout.
There's actually some examples of outdoor stadiums that were converted into dome stadiums, such as the Arena da Baixada in Brazil, the Belluna Dome in Tokyo and the Santiago Bernabeu in Madrid!
Also, Sochi’s Olympic Stadium had a temporary roof added for the games. It was not part of the original design, and was added partway through construction because Putin wanted to waste $70 million or something on a roof he’d deconstruct after the ceremonies.
To be fair, Arena da Baixada was built with a roof planned for the future, and Santiago Bernabeu is only just building a roof after decades of planning, supporting the key point of the video. Belluna Dome has just a canopy and the sides are open all the way around (oh, and nobody likes it because it turns into a sauna in summer...well, even more of a sauna than the rest of Tokyo).
@@rockinmel1 yeah and for Seibu their canopy was built over a bowl, any shape more complicated would be very difficult and Lambeau while being round and bowl like would absolutely want to be enclosed
@@matthewlaird4009 Exactly, plus Seibu's stadium is also dug out rather than built up, making it much easier to build a canopy with the bare minimum of support infrastructure (basically equally spaced "feet" on the ground). I was kind of impressed when I first saw it in person, although inside...not so much.
Yes but those are just covered and not climate controlled
Living in Detroit I've been pretty spoiled going to Lions games because we had the Silverdome then Ford Field. Building a new stadium with a roof has all sorts of advantages. With the roof in Detroit we have hosted 2 Superbowls one in the Silverdome and one at Ford Field. We have hosted the NCAA final 4 and the NCAA frozen 4 and a college bowl game. The list goes on with all the extra events that a dome can host, which brings well needed money to the city of Detroit. I love your channel and your videos. I always learn some really cool stuff watching your videos. Keep up the phenomenal work my friend!
Minnesota is almost identical, except we had indoor MLB baseball with 2 World Series, plus Big 10 college football - meaning September and October often saw the Vikings, Twins, and Gophers all jockeying for stadium prep each weekend.
I see a lot of Ford Field influences in US Bank Stadium, only taken to the technological extreme to allow full sunlight onto the field.
I’ve never heard the terms “spoiled” and “Lions fan” in the same sentence. Your optimism is impressive my friend
That’s how I feel about the Superdome in New Orleans.
And this statement holds a lot of truth because outside of the 4 months of football the stadium is being used, it's sitting empty.
Having a stadium outdoors isn't some pussification of 🏈, it's to rack up more revenue from events. A stadium used 10 out of 12 months per year is a good venue
@@MarloSoBalJr It depends on what the Venue is.
As nice as domed stadiums are I always hope that there are still a majority of teams playing outdoors, it just adds another level of interest to the game for me. Some of my favorite games I’ve been too were in the snow at Heinz Field. Adds a whole other level of atmosphere to the game and I just like that when you travel somewhere you have to play in that climate whether it’s Florida heat or snowy winters up North. It gives more of a uniqueness to each city that they are playing in
To hell with that. Taking so long to play 16 games going into freezing weather
and competitive edge.
Especially with NFL prices, I'm not paying to be in disastrous weather. The outdoor events in poor weather is stupid. This is why in the winter I'm only going to NBA games or indoor NFL.
@@danieljenkins7951and nosebleeds
That's why I like reliant stadium. Built with a retractable roof.
there is the santiago bernabeu in Madrid that is doing the exact thing though at $700 million, it isn't cheap. mind you that also includes the cost of installing a retractable pitch and a number of interior and exterior upgrades
In the 2000's there was some semi-serious discussion about putting a dome over the Bristol Motor Speedway in Bristol, VA. While not a race fan myself, I did have some morbid curiosity wanting me to see it happen, it only to see how many people it deafened.
With the past few years races getting constantly rained out, those discussions actually resurfaced earlier this year, and if I recall correctly, the organization that owns the track actually said it is being considered again. Though, that was back in March, and there hasn't been anything said about it since, unfortunately.
@@MrJohansen Color me a believer when I start seeing site work take place.
As a NASCAR fan, that sounds like an incredibly shitty idea.
Supposedly, the snow and ice loads on such a structure would be too much for it to handle, even in the Smoky Mountains of northeast Tennessee.
it would've been the first time nascar has has a indoor race
BC place in Vancouver went from closed roof to a retractable roof at a very high amount
The Santiago Bernabéu Stadium in Madrid Spain, which is the home stadium of the Spanish soccer/football team Real Madrid.
That stadium is going through a serious renovation process. Specifically going from an outdoor stadium to an indoor stadium. Alongside climate control and a underground retractable field/pitch.
The total cost is said to surpass 700 million USD, some estimates indicate as a high as 1 billion USD.
After renovation are complete, there’s rumors that the NFL could schedule a game at the Santiago Bernabéu.
Oh fuck yea. Madrid is even adding a middle portion of the roof will be RETRACTACBLE. So not only is it getting a roof...? A retractable one too. Super cool and im sure there would be amazing days/nights to have the sky come into the pitch :)
How are they going to grow grass indoors as Soccer teams require that?
@@DownriverBusinessEventsGroup so this is the biggest part about the pitch…it’s split in SIX sections (I think 6..) and each section will be moved 6 floors UNDERGROUND right next to the pitch on the ground level. It’ll be natural of course and they’ll have state of the art equipment in those 6 floors to maintain a natural field 👍👍
@@odischeese21 How is that growing it inside? To me that sounds like they are growing it outside and moving it inside. That would be similar to what happened at The Silverdome in The Games that it hosted during the 94 World Cup.
@@DownriverBusinessEventsGroupThe retractable pitch will be housed in six underground levels that reach a depth of over 25 metres and feature an underground irrigation system, as well as ultraviolet lighting for the pitch grass.
Not having a roof on Lambeau makes it a snow globe in December and January games. This is one stadium that would lose it's mystique if one was added.
For sure. It's fun to go out and freeze watching Your Favorite team.
Thankfully, the Packers have never given it a thought despite some clowns on Board of Directors asking for it.
Wimbledon added a retractable roof and air-conditioning to two of their stadiums. The first was added in 2009, and cost approximately $165 million. The second was added in 2019, and cost approximately $85 million. I'm not sure why it cost so much less to add one in 2019.
Centre Court was practically rebuilt over three years in addition to the roof, so thats why it cost more. No 1. court was newer, opening in 1997, so didnt need as much structural work
Well I don't know about many sports stadiums but I know Citi Field which is the ballpark the Mets play in, the softer soil in the area (due to the bay) is the reason adding a roof would cost at least $2 billion because of the extra support it would require to make sure the whole structure is stable.
I went to 1 winter game at the Seahawks stadium (it keeps changing names). I would never go to another winter game, it was absolutely freezing.
Little-known fact: the Truman Sports Complex (Chiefs/Royals) was originally intended to have one retractable roof movable between the two stadiums. Also, as other commenters have mentioned, the "building inside a building" concept has been done numerous times to build or retrofit canopies over stadiums large and small, but as you've pointed out, to make it climate-controlled is a whole other animal.
Allegedly MetLife Stadium was built with the ability to add a roof. Idk if that’s true though, but if it is, based on complaints I’ve heard about MetLife then maybe it’s something they should seriously consider
Met Life is the worst spent 1 billion I’ve ever seen.
@@Enginshim close but I’d give that award to Levi’s Stadium
@@Enginshim why? Just wondering
@@mike_404 it is very much like Comiskey Park in Chicago. It was built a year before Camden Yards. Then the era of new retro parks came in, leaving Comiskey behind. It is just kind of there. No charm or Anything kind of cool about it. It’s just kind of there.
@@Mr.E723 true. MetLife is a waste for not appealing to be a year-round used stadium to casuals, despite being located outside of the largest city in America. Levi's for being too outside of an important city and just being too "we're over here" vibe
There was a proposal to turn the Cotton Bowl in Dallas into the Cotton Dome. The website for that proposal depicted a structure architecturally similar to American Airlines Center covering the stadium.
The Kansas City roof proposal is an off shoot of an old idea to have a moveable roof between the baseball and football stadiums when they both build in the early 70's. The roof would ride along a rail (you can kind of see the path intended in the photo) and open on either side. I think one consideration would be it could a roof withstand severe weather, with KC being in tornado prone area.
you are absolutely correct! I remember seeing the old drawing back in the day and I believe it looked like a potato chip... was really innovative thinking at the time but very weird when you look at it lol.
Yeah, it was more of a covering and not meant to be climate controlled. Really, just to control for snow and rain.
@@manatarmsslaps In other words it resembled the Saddle Dome in Calgary?
Actually it's very possible to put a roof over an open air stadium. Seibu Stadium in Japan & Montreal's Stade Olympique come to mind. Also,, did you see the sarcophagus they did in Chernobyl? That thing covers the entire nuclear plant zone that caused the famous meltdown in 1986. Anyway, it should have been attempted at the old Globe Life Park in Arlington. But Nolan Ryan was one helluva smooth talkin Texan when he pointed out that the cost of the roof would have been as much as it would be for building a new retractable roof stadium (Heh, yeah like 50yrs down the road it'll be worth it). Great video, keep it up. Great work!
Stade Olypique was always meant to have a roof. In fact a retractable roof. But it was finally finished 10 years after it was finished (outdoor). It was also renovated and no longer opens.
The canopy thing that the Dolphins did would be great for baseball diamonds and soccer fields since they play in the summer.
Man, I love your channel! Just thought and effort you put into each video truly shows you're a sports junky just like myself.
I absolutely hate when people say they're trying to put a roof on Heinz Field (now Acrisure). If that happens, expect the fans to leave.
Vancouver did it for the Winter Olympics. Changed from a fixed bubble inflated roof to a complete retractable design. The supports for the retractable design was not part of the original bubble design. The cost benefit analysis was overtaken by schedule and the cost was comparable to a new stadium built from ground up.
But that was already a dome to begin with.
They did it after the Olympics, the Loins played 2012, and 2013 at Empire field. I'm from Hamilton, and a big CFL fan. I like that a city with money like Vancouver, was willing to build what I feel is the best stadium in the league.
@@aaronglover752 The Loins? I take it you don't like them.if you are referring to them as that.
@@DownriverBusinessEventsGroup no that's spell check, I like BC
@@aaronglover752 Your spell check didn't work on that one for sure.
I'm sure you COULD do it, the architecture expertise and technology is there, but like you pointed out, the cost would, at best, be negligibly less compared to a whole new stadium where you could have every aspect controlled to a much finer degree. And beetlejuice has terrible ideas, that's another issue
Most of these football & stadiums should have retractable roofs and domes from the start before building them.
I will agree that it's a bit expensive. But it's worth it.
I'm from Pittsburgh, PA and I wanted a roof on top of Acruisure Stadium so I can enjoy a concert or a BIG Wrestling Event.
the Belluna Dome in saitama japan is a baseball stadium with a domed roof added after it was built
I live in Cleveland and always thought the dome idea was too hard. Now I know why. Great video!
They could have done it with Chicago Bears, Soldier Field because the tor thing down and rebuilt it. The Facade was the only thing left of the original building. I can't understand why you would spend so much money to pretend your building is old. Lambeau Field never gutted the building and rebuilt. They actually added on instead. Lambeau field just got bigger and bigger as I grew up. And right now they are adding on to the structure again. It's insane the structure that surrounds the old part of the bowl.
Some crazy ideas I have in mind:
1. Build a smaller shed or canopy inside the stadium (meaning the posts or poles would be nearby the playing field). Probably not because it would have obscured the view from the top levels, also the risk of players crashing into those poles
2. Build a stadium underground (??????)
3. Hold events or games at midnight. Would definitely remove the problem of sun exposure but the timing wouldn't be fine with spectators
If MLS actually gets a team in Vegas, midnight kickoffs in the summer seem like the only sane solution.
Especially Baseball. The old blue jays stadium had a dome and players couldn't see fly balls so they couldn't catch it
After Shea Stadium opened, there was discussion of enclosing the open end and putting on a roof. Engineering studies determined that ground where Shea sat could not support the additional weight of the roof and the idea was abandoned.
Always a dome or it a outdoor stadium. Not both. But somebody will do it and it will work maybe.......
I hope not.
Technically the stadium that hosted the first indoor college bowl game in 1964 opened in 1929 so you could say they've existed since then
Now demolished Shea Stadium in NYC was designed to have a roof added to it. But apparently the ground was 2 swampy for the weight.
A good example of it working is BC Place in Vancouver BC, hosts CFL, MLS and quite a number events while still seating 55,000 people
I get the excitement of the outdoor stadiums for Football but it is also very nice to not have to worry about the weather when going to a game lol. Baseball is a sport that has the biggest problem with this, so many games getting postponed because of rain outs
It's part of the game.
True- but who wants to sit inside on a decent weather day, let alone a beautiful weather day? The thought of spending a spring or summer afternoon or evening inside a dome is unappealing. Give me the elements.
@Randy Savage. College football does this better than the NFL when it comes to stadiums.
It *can* be done, it's just doesn't really make financial sense most of the time. It's going to be very large and expensive, not a $100 million upgrade, and if you're building that big of an additional structure, the owner would rather knock down the stadium & build a new one to make other revenue generating improvements (like luxury suites) and have all new building infrastructure.
An interesting side note, I know it's a much smaller scale, but I remember going to hang out with my friend at a different college in Boston, and we go into the lobby of this sleek modern glass & steel skyscraper building.... and inside the lobby is an entire 1920's-ish brick & marble building. The original college's building, like a giant for it's time bank-ish building, they just built the new (enclosed & climate controlled) building around and above the old one. It was pretty trippy to see glass and steel walkways going *into* where windows on the old building were. It's doable.
I’ve always wondered if a roof on Coors field and some humidity being pumped in, would it help with pitching?
Oita Stadium a.k.a. "The Big Eye" in Japan initially opened without a retractable roof. The retractable roof was later added.
But like arthur ashe its not climate controlled
@@forgottenplaces9780 Actually, Arthur Ashe Stadium has a HVAC system. It's climate controlled.
They put a roof on Olympic starting I in motel cannda for the Montreal expos back in 1982
May I suggest you look at the Bernabeu in Madrid?
Yeah, no kidding. Especially trying such a challenge on an old stadium such as Arrowhead or Lambeau
The SuperDome is so badazz still looks futuristic today
It's apart of the NOLA skyline to say the least. A golden art of entertainment in the Bayou
It's time to replace it with an outdoor stadium.
Check out the U.S. Open National Tennis Stadium in NYC. It was built as an open-air stadium, and years later - a self-supporting, retractable some was added. This is no small stadium, as 23K+ and the self-supporting principles here could be scaled to meet a larger stadium.
I did i go into it in the video. 23k is not much bigger than a basketball arena so its a bit different doing it at a larger scale. That worked better because the stadium was more square and had no gaps either. Tennis court is a lot easier to cover than a baseball or football field.
I surmise regardless of cost - In the near future -
Indoor stadiums will have to take center stage *
Nice explanation. You might as well have just said "because!"
My father and uncle were engineers. They didn't design sports stadiums but impressed upon me that engineering issues are a part of our everyday lives. Those darned engineers will get you every time! But for the money to add a dome to an existing stadium, it's easier and more cost effective just to design and build a brand new domed stadium from scratch. Financing it with public funding in today's environment is another matter entirely.
If the old doughnut stadiums still existed, you know the ones that looked like huge ashtrays, had roofs added it may have been as easy as putting a lid on a coffee cup maybe this could have been done. Think old Three Rivers Stadium or Riverfront Stadium or Veterans Stadium (Pittsburgh, Cincinnati and Philadelphia). Bad sucky a suspended roof and enclosing the round concourses and perhaps it would be feasible.
Today the best that could be done to stadiums that are asymmetrical would be to use something like Miami but that wouldn’t keep out the cold in places like Minnesota, Detroit or Cleveland. It would be better to start all over again instead of attempting to retrofit a ceiling on an existing stadium.
Baseball stadiums would just never work. Think of all the odd angles of Fenway Park and you understand that it might cost more and certainly be inferior the just plowing the old and building the new.
In the old days of automobiles there was a market for aftermarket air conditioning that was both costly and looked like a unit hanging out a bedroom window. The same can be said for stadiums.
Wonderful video as usual. I rarely post but watch every video that you produce.
Arrowhead stadium , Soldier Field and Lambeau field were never intended as year round stadiums. Soldier Field and Lambeau have been around forever !!!! The only new stadium that confuses me is Metlife . You build it near 1 of the larger populated areas of the USA in an area known for snowy winters and you don't make it a dome ???? Who's idiotic idea was that!!!
It was done in Japan.
Real Madrid just did this to their stadium, and it looks nice.
Idk man we don't do it in America but there are stadiums that have been converted overseas. Obviously the whole point though would be to mitigate precipitation like snow and rain. It wouldn't necessarily need to be climate controlled.
I'm sure fans from Wisconsin and Chicago wouldn't mind the harsh cold. They already attend in the freezing temperatures anyway, but if you can keep everyone from getting wet that would probably be an optimal situation. The problem probably lies in the thousands of pounds of snow and ice on a makeshift roof.
Like So-Fi Stadium (which is a must visit stadium) has a planned overhead structure that's part of the building, but its still an open air stadium, obviously in LA this is ideal because you hardly have to worry about snow. So you're shaded and protected from rain, but still technically outside.
I'm sure it's cheaper for most NFL orgs to just build a second slightly smaller enclosed stadium for harsh weather days anyway as you would probably only use it a few times every few years.
Edit: like the Bills game this week was re-located, which doesn't happen often but if every team had a "backup" stadium to conduct game day operations it would probably be worth the investment, at least to the fans lol
Even if The Bills had one there was 7 Feet of Snow there. Unless there backup stadium was hundreds of miles away it wouldn't have mattered.
Rather than a roof, what about a canopy for baseball stadiums. Removable in the summer, not to be used in rain. But enough for cold weather teams to keep drifting snow and the super cold out during fist week of season and during world series?
Thats kinda what seattle has
I always envision a clam shell ( rolling roof) type deal where not only it covers the stadium but also a hundred yards around the perimeter of it.
Your Hvac systems ( chiller , boilers) don’t necessarily need to come from within side the stadium but can get pipe underground into the stadium. What’s left ( and an important factor) is you have to develop some type of exhaust systems on this rolling roof.
Can't turn an outdoor stadium into an indoor one you say... tell that to the Saitama Seibu Lions. Seibu Dome used to be an open air stadium, but they added a roof to it in the 90s, and left a gap between the dome and the stadium proper to let air in so that the ball would still carry.
Just a covering, just like ashe stadium.
They proposed building a roof over Levis Stadium shortly after it’s inauguration. When designing it they didn’t take into account the California heat.
Well its not be done in usa! But its going to be done in Madrid, new Santiago Bernabeu
Montreal's Olympic Stadium was open air for a decade before they added the roof. Doesnt really count because originally the roof was suppose to be ready in 1976 in time for the Olympics and baseball and football.
They put a roof on the Olympic Stadium in Montreal. They did a horrible job of it, but they did it.
Also, the University of Idaho enclosed their previously outdoor stadium. It's not a big stadium and not much of a "dome", but it was done.
Olympic was built as a dome, it just wasnt finished and capped off until later
The Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome in Minneapolis had a roof made of Teflon-coated fiberglass fabric. The roof was held in place by air currents from below. Unfortunately, the roof collapsed so many times, the entire stadium had to be taken down.
Those air currents especially from the Large Air Conditioner behind Home Plate are what help propel The Twins into hitting so many Homeruns. Baseball was never meant to be played in a dome.
NOt why it was taken down. It was taken down so the Vikings could build a stadium with luxury suites in order to make more money.
Strangely, the Carrier Dome in Syracuse is designed by the same architects as the Metro Dome and is quite similar, yet has never collapsed. Even with the weight of Upstate NY’s considerable precipitation, the Carrier Dome’s fibreglass roof has held firm.
@@cuseyeti_one8three The Metrodome is one word however
Football stadiums are Just TOO LARGE to add a roof! Might as well build a new Dome!
As far as Kansas City is concerned, IIRC the roof was rejected because, not in spite, of "the elements": voting Chiefs fans decided that the home-field benefits of open Arrowhead (as far as baseball is concerned, if Kauffman is roofed the Royals still lose to Bumgarner in 2014 and take care of the Mets the next year) outweighed the off-field benefits of an enclosed stadium.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the stadium in Vancouver and replacing their inflatable roof with a retractable roof
Closest we have is Hard Rock Stadium.
Arthur Ashe reason for an roof was rain 🌧️ effected 4 us open men's finals and put it on a Monday to finish
And?
I remember they were talking about putting a dome on Shea Stadium to keep the Jets in NYC. The team said FU top Mayor Koch and left for Jersey.
It helped that The Meadowlands had already been there for some time when they did that.
It is my belief that the next stadium trend everyone will go crazy for is when a retractable roof stadium truly makes the stadium feel outdoors. AT&T stadium for example is not outdoors even with the roof and end zone doors fully opened. I've always wondered why carbon fiber isn't the go to roof material since it's stronger and lighter than steel.
Seems like the NFL is listening to people like you because both Tennessee and Buffalo are building new stadiums that are indoors with artificial turf.
Parken Stadium, Copenhagen. They retrofitted a retractable roof to that one.
The stadium opened in 1992 but the retractable roof was added in 2001. It might have been that the design allowed for a retractable roof to be added later. I can’t seem to find any information that confirms this though.
Apparently the owner of the NY Mets looked into adding a roof to citi field. He said it was doable but could cost a couple million.
More than a couple lol
@@forgottenplaces9780 Most likely.
Add a couple more zeros lol.
They don’t seem to have a problem doing it in Madrid…
Hard Rock Stadium is close to one
I wouldn't be surprised if an outdoor stadium ever got a dome someday. Somebody's gonna be "bold" enough try it! 🤷
St. Louis built a Dome and still couldn’t please the NFL. Talk about ridiculous! No stadium will please these Greedy Owners.
That's because The Rams ought to have stayed in L.A. and not moved there.
Lol the reason lightfoot lost the Bears is because she is soooo bad at her job that the crime got ridiculously out of hand the Bears left. A dome would have made no difference.
Actually, no.
The McCauskeys are buying land in Arlington Heights as make an entertainment district for the Bears to be more profitable once they sell the team.
The family's end goal is to sell the team by mid-2030
Leaving them in Chicago proper any long would lose them the profit potential
With that being said. CINCINNATI STILL NEEDS ONE 😂
I disagree with you on that. Going to a football when it’s outdoors is classic and entertaining. You don’t get that experience in a domed stadium.
@@Mrcharles. i dont care, i want a super bowl in cincy and the only way we will ever get one is to get a dome.
The most I could ever see is a roof like the Mariners stadium. The roof isn't sealing, instead functioning like a shed, but you still have to build a roof structure about the existing stadium and worry about some ventilation. It just doesn't seem worthwhile.
The Mariners play in an outdoor stadium now and have for awhile.
@@DownriverBusinessEventsGroup with a retractable roof
@@TheDisturb189 You missed the rest of the conversation being a few months late to it.
I hope Michael Kay has watched this video!
This makes sense if you have essentially a disposable stadium, like Washington, where they are going to build a new stadium not just keep up the old one. A place like Green Bay, where the idea is to keep Lambeau open? If they want to put a roof on it, why not do it? Yeah it may be expensive, but they aren't replacing the stadium and NFL franchises aren't hurting for money. Also, like how they added concourses, they could have added the roof then, let the concourse buildings support the roof and solve an issues with the stadium not being able to support it. The climate control part might be difficult, but definitely not impossible. You're right though, for most places, building a new stadium would be a better choice. Teams like the Red Sox, Cubs, and Packers might be willing to spend the money to make their places more comfortable, yet keep their 100 year old stadiums
Fenway Park with a Roof. Yeah Right!!
@@DownriverBusinessEventsGroup I'm not saying they should do it, necessarily. What I am saying is if you have an iconic stadium that you don't want to get rid of, but you need or want an indoor stadium, that's a reason to spend the money and add a dome to it.
@@JJWestmoreland84 It's easier and cheaper to just build Another One. No matter how iconic it may be, No Stadium lasts Forever!!
Isn't SoFi Stadium basically a stadium with a roof over it?
Yup. The roof structure itself is not connected to the actual stadium, similar to Marlins Park in Miami.
Building a roof cap over an existing stadium is no fear of engineering nor all that expensive (for a billionaire)
The roof lights up at night, doesn’t appear to be of heavy weight… and a game was delayed for lightning (rare in LA) because the roof apparently can’t handle it.
It’s not as open air as T-Mobile for the Mariners, but air can flow through it (and in some surprising places). So fans at the CFB championship in January were getting wet because of a storm blowing through.
We can put a man on the moon but not a roof over a stadium lol
What about the new Santiago Bernabeu
Why can’t millionaire athletes play in the weather
It's not about millionaire athletes playing in weather. It is first about increasing your attendance fanbase by being able to have them watch a game in a climate controlled environment and second and more importantly it is about being able to increase the amount of events that the stadium can host. Which equals BIG $$$$$ 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑!!!!!!
What a stupid comment
You forgot to mention that the Harry S. Truman sports complex (Arrowhead and Kauffman stadiums) were designed to have a rolling roof that could cover either stadium from the very beginning. The rolling roof is the reason why Arrowhead's upper deck has the unique shape it has. Cost overruns during the original construction of the stadiums ultimately caused the roof to be scrapped. Had the measure passed in 2006, the complex would have actually been completed as initially planned, which obviously never happened. Kansas City was going to have the world's first retractable roofed stadiums 17 years before the Skydome opened in Toronto... THAT is how far ahead of its time that sports complex was when it was built. Over 50 years later they are still two of the best stadiums in the world. When everyone else was building shitty cookie cutter multipurpose stadiums that sucked for both sports, Kansas City couldn't have gotten it more right than they did.
Its covered in a recent video of mine
SoFi Stadium: Hold my beer
Like the $21 one I bought there?
(At least that was twice as big as a $16 beer in Climate Pledge Arena in Seattle)
Center Court at Wimbledon
You can if the stadium is roof ready built.
Outdoor 🏟️ stadiums are the best why cuz the team plays in the elements and it's amazing
Real Madrid. Hold my🍺
does minute maid park count
Uhh the carrier dome?
I suppose you could try to put an umbrella over an outdoor stadium.
European football been doing facades with domes for a while
I stopped watching when the guy said:
“Now comes the part where I tell you why you can’t put a roof on, or why you would never want to.” “First off, it’s never been attempted.”
Really? If that was ever an acceptable reason to not try to do something, we humans would never accomplish anything!
and just like that new soldier field roof renovation projects this past week proves you completely wrong.
Chitown trying very hard to keep bears at renovated soldier field with roof by 2026 now.
Isn't the Rams stadium an outdoor with a roof?
Considering that SoFi Stadium cost more than $5 billion, I think the cost of doming a place like Soldier Field would be about the same.
The SoFi stadium roof is a giant open air patio. The roof and stadium are not connected.
@@vincentperez4653 I didn't know that.
OMG I take it this guy has never heard of Real Madrid
Ive heard about that, but that is not complete as of this video so it cant be evaluated as successful or not, nor does it exist yet in full form
@@forgottenplaces9780 it should be ready for the start of next season
The main issue with stadiums isn't "domed" or open air per se, it's can we get a climate controlled retractable roof stadium. That's the gold standard. All MLB stadiums should have this. NFL not so much
Hard Rock Stadium in Miami added a roof!!
Hard rock stadium is not a dome but it’s got that covering now unlike before
Does this include the Oakland Coliseum??????????
For the bears your comment is beyond accurate two key words is last ditch she is desperate they have done to much damage to it all ready you would have to have them temporary move to champion urban and implode the old one and build the new one the way she wants that's not happening any time soon the people, fans, and the owners are not going for that
The Packers have a closed structure, and they are hit the worst by the climate, but their stadium has historically the greatest gravitas. The Colosseum in Rome is out of use for centuries, but nobody (sane) will ever suggest to demolish it in order to use this very valuable area for other purposes. But we all know why, and we all agree.
If they will ever try it, then there.
But when one thinks of Soldier Field and how they massacred it...maybe they only did it to get rid of it for the sake of an entirely new stadium.
They won't. The current Packers president, Mark Murphy, will not even entertain it and the current Board of Directors won't bring it up for discussion either.