4x Mewtwo 4x Electabuzz 2x Mew 1x Rattata 3x Professor Oak 3x Computer Search 3x Bill 3x Energy Removal 3x Super Energy Removal 3x Gust of Wind 3x Item Finder 2x PlusPower 2x Lass 2x Scoop Up 2x Super Potion 2x Energy Retrieval 1x Mr. Fuji 1x Energy Search 9x Psychic Energy 6x Lightning Energy 1x Double Colorless Energy 4x Magmar 3x Electabuzz 3x Scyther 2x Ditto 4x Professor Oak 4x Bill 4x Energy Retrieval 4x Energy Removal 3x Super Energy Removal 2x Gust of Wind 2x PlusPower 2x Scoop Up 2x Item Finder 1x Energy Search 1x Lass 9x Fire Energy 6x Lightning Energy 4x Double Colorless Energy
That was a fun showcase of two different Haymaker successors! Mewtwo/Electabuzz hasn't aged that well, unfortunately, as Mewtwo gets resisted by both Wigglytuff and Lickitung, but Magmar/Electabuzz is quite a capable deck! (For those who didn't read my comment to your last community post, it got top 4 in a 41 player Base-Fossil event in Milwaukee and ran Jason and his Lickitung Stall deck off the board in top 8.) It can struggle against Lickitung in the late-game, but that only belies its focus on powering through the opponent's Pokémon early in the game. Ruby Retro places it in the same tier as Wigglytuff/Magmar. By the way, I wouldn't bench Pokémon on turn 1 in Base-Fossil unless I need to evolve them quickly or there's a chance my Active Pokémon will be Knocked Out. There's nothing except the wildly-niche Imposter Professor Oak that can strip Pokémon from your hand, so it's better to keep your opponent guessing and your Pokémon safe from being trapped or damaged with Gust of Wind.
Back in 1999, this battle would have been titled "INSANITY VERSUS SPONGE!" (And yes, I would shout that in real life, that sentence is beautiful.) Insanity was the nickname for Magmar/Electabuzz (which originally debuted as a concept deck with 4 copies of each Pokémon and Trainer, as Shuckle TCG discovered), and Sponge received its name because... honestly, I don't know what the reason for the name was.
Not exactly. Insanity was not really a name for Electabuzz & Magmar. But rather a name for decks that minimised the amount of pokémon and maximised trainer cards, often playing only 8-10 pokémon, around 12 Energy and +-40 trainer cards. Hence the deck was called “insanity” because it was an “insane” risk to play that few pokémon, but the draw and card selection the deck provided because of the trainer density was ‘insanely’ good. Shuckle didn’t discover it.
@@tanzolo4487 He didn't discover the deck, he researched it's history and made a video about it. I thought the video mentioned that the original Insanity list used 4 Magmar and 4 Electabuzz (I'm certain the video mentioned that the original list used 4 copies of each Trainer, too). Amusingly, he'd mentioned that his curiosity had been aroused by all the times Insanity got mentioned on old forum posts he was reading, and he finally got tired of not knowing what deck everyone was referring to and did some digging.
Holon Phantom, you mentioned wanting to create a Neo-Skyridge deck around Expedition Venusaur and Expedition Alakazam... have you considered building it around Base Set Venusaur and the same Alakazam instead? You can use Venusaur to manipulate your Energy in play AND give you access to Pokemon Center! It would mean mixing energy types, of course, and four copies of Rainbow Energy can only do so much, but I think the idea might have potential. I'm guessing you've already looked at the deck lists on ptcg archive? Edit: I also think Jason's updated e-card block Beedrill archetype could have potential in Neo-Skyridge. It uses Skyridge Arcanine to KO Scizor and piggyback off of the Retro Energy-Lure Ball combo. Also, Arcanine could theoretically Knock Out Muk with the help of Double Gust, since you'd be running mostly Pokémon with low retreat costs. Also edit: Remember that guy who joined you on Ruby Retro's sixth history episode, Shuckle TCG? Well, I was checking his Neo-Skyridge deck lists, and Dark Scizor looks like the best one. Another Noctowl Lock deck, but it's fun because Dark Scizor can utilize both Special Metal and Special Darkness Energy and because its first attack is just like Noctowl's Pokémon Power. Also, it can use Murkrow to solve many situations. (He includes Double Colorless Energy by mistake, but you'd probably want to add some Water Energy and Mantine anyways.) So basically it wouldn't play quite the same way as either Scizor or your existing Noctowl decks. Possibly the two best other decks I saw that were exclusive to his channel were Politoed (Frog Song) and Dark Tyranitar (which has a lot of variance, but I think a ptcg legends card of the week article was written by a player who got a notable placement with it in one of the Neo formats. Can't be sure which place he got right now, since the article section is still down, but I know it happened). Also also edit: I actually played a couple of games of Neo-Skyridge with some of these decks. The first game I played my Venusaur/Alakazam/Pokémon Center deck against ruby retro and Entei/Magcargo. I realized too late that his deck's Pokémon would always have less than 3 Energy, making this matchup virtually impossible. Also, my deck and the Politoed deck mentioned earlier would have no way of dealing with Muk effectively. My second game was with a modified Dark Tyranitar list more heavily based on Jason's Dark Feraligatr list (Since he doesn't seem to play Pokémon Breeder in this format), and although I was playing against a Light Dragonite/Fire Ho-Oh/Shining Pokémon pile deck (not the sort of deck you'd run into often)(I won, but I have no idea what that tells me about my own deck), I still think it could have some potential. I'll send you these lists and a modified Dark Scizor list by email.
@@holon_phantom I sent the emails a few days ago. Maybe check your spam folder. (I've been modifying the Dark Tyranitar list and have ideas for a couple of directions you could take the deck. I've been watching more of shuckle tcg's videos to see if any new Neo-Skyridge inspiration hits me.)
@@tanzolo4487 If it has any fault, it's how many Pokémon are running around with Psychic resistance, leading dual type haymaker variants to replace it with Magmar, for example. However, Energy Absorption/Mr. Fuji is still an indispensable package in the Lickitung Stall mirror match.
@@Charmaster04 Never played the card in haymaker/Wigglytuff variants. I always felt is was too clunky without the highest density Psychic energy possible. I personally play Mewtwo in damage swap, and honestly he is a beast paired with Chansey. Chansey 1 hit KO’s wigglytuff, and the deck can just outgrind Lickitung by swapping damage, healing and the Fuji/Mewtwo package. The pairing get’s even crazier in Base-Neo with Metal energy. But you are right. Mewtwo’s typing is it’s biggest weakness. But it is by far not in need of a buff like this guy suggested 😅
4x Mewtwo
4x Electabuzz
2x Mew
1x Rattata
3x Professor Oak
3x Computer Search
3x Bill
3x Energy Removal
3x Super Energy Removal
3x Gust of Wind
3x Item Finder
2x PlusPower
2x Lass
2x Scoop Up
2x Super Potion
2x Energy Retrieval
1x Mr. Fuji
1x Energy Search
9x Psychic Energy
6x Lightning Energy
1x Double Colorless Energy
4x Magmar
3x Electabuzz
3x Scyther
2x Ditto
4x Professor Oak
4x Bill
4x Energy Retrieval
4x Energy Removal
3x Super Energy Removal
2x Gust of Wind
2x PlusPower
2x Scoop Up
2x Item Finder
1x Energy Search
1x Lass
9x Fire Energy
6x Lightning Energy
4x Double Colorless Energy
You always know how to keep me on the edge of my seat. Thank you
Charming and entertaining as always. Thanks
I hope Electabuzz wins.
Don't spoil it!!
Great Match! the Mewtwo Deck looks fun to play
That was a fun showcase of two different Haymaker successors! Mewtwo/Electabuzz hasn't aged that well, unfortunately, as Mewtwo gets resisted by both Wigglytuff and Lickitung, but Magmar/Electabuzz is quite a capable deck! (For those who didn't read my comment to your last community post, it got top 4 in a 41 player Base-Fossil event in Milwaukee and ran Jason and his Lickitung Stall deck off the board in top 8.) It can struggle against Lickitung in the late-game, but that only belies its focus on powering through the opponent's Pokémon early in the game. Ruby Retro places it in the same tier as Wigglytuff/Magmar.
By the way, I wouldn't bench Pokémon on turn 1 in Base-Fossil unless I need to evolve them quickly or there's a chance my Active Pokémon will be Knocked Out. There's nothing except the wildly-niche Imposter Professor Oak that can strip Pokémon from your hand, so it's better to keep your opponent guessing and your Pokémon safe from being trapped or damaged with Gust of Wind.
Back in 1999, this battle would have been titled "INSANITY VERSUS SPONGE!" (And yes, I would shout that in real life, that sentence is beautiful.) Insanity was the nickname for Magmar/Electabuzz (which originally debuted as a concept deck with 4 copies of each Pokémon and Trainer, as Shuckle TCG discovered), and Sponge received its name because... honestly, I don't know what the reason for the name was.
I remember reading about the sponge deck on pojo when I was a kid and laughing at the name.
Not exactly. Insanity was not really a name for Electabuzz & Magmar. But rather a name for decks that minimised the amount of pokémon and maximised trainer cards, often playing only 8-10 pokémon, around 12 Energy and +-40 trainer cards. Hence the deck was called “insanity” because it was an “insane” risk to play that few pokémon, but the draw and card selection the deck provided because of the trainer density was ‘insanely’ good. Shuckle didn’t discover it.
@@tanzolo4487 He didn't discover the deck, he researched it's history and made a video about it. I thought the video mentioned that the original Insanity list used 4 Magmar and 4 Electabuzz (I'm certain the video mentioned that the original list used 4 copies of each Trainer, too). Amusingly, he'd mentioned that his curiosity had been aroused by all the times Insanity got mentioned on old forum posts he was reading, and he finally got tired of not knowing what deck everyone was referring to and did some digging.
Sponge was named after Mewtwo's Energy Absorption "sponging" energy out of the discard pile.
@@Flamadin Hey, that makes a lot of sense! Thanks for explaining.
Great match! So close!
Would really love to see some New HoFF (base-neo) gameplay!
Great commentary
Holon Phantom, you mentioned wanting to create a Neo-Skyridge deck around Expedition Venusaur and Expedition Alakazam... have you considered building it around Base Set Venusaur and the same Alakazam instead? You can use Venusaur to manipulate your Energy in play AND give you access to Pokemon Center! It would mean mixing energy types, of course, and four copies of Rainbow Energy can only do so much, but I think the idea might have potential.
I'm guessing you've already looked at the deck lists on ptcg archive?
Edit: I also think Jason's updated e-card block Beedrill archetype could have potential in Neo-Skyridge. It uses Skyridge Arcanine to KO Scizor and piggyback off of the Retro Energy-Lure Ball combo. Also, Arcanine could theoretically Knock Out Muk with the help of Double Gust, since you'd be running mostly Pokémon with low retreat costs.
Also edit: Remember that guy who joined you on Ruby Retro's sixth history episode, Shuckle TCG? Well, I was checking his Neo-Skyridge deck lists, and Dark Scizor looks like the best one. Another Noctowl Lock deck, but it's fun because Dark Scizor can utilize both Special Metal and Special Darkness Energy and because its first attack is just like Noctowl's Pokémon Power. Also, it can use Murkrow to solve many situations. (He includes Double Colorless Energy by mistake, but you'd probably want to add some Water Energy and Mantine anyways.) So basically it wouldn't play quite the same way as either Scizor or your existing Noctowl decks. Possibly the two best other decks I saw that were exclusive to his channel were Politoed (Frog Song) and Dark Tyranitar (which has a lot of variance, but I think a ptcg legends card of the week article was written by a player who got a notable placement with it in one of the Neo formats. Can't be sure which place he got right now, since the article section is still down, but I know it happened).
Also also edit: I actually played a couple of games of Neo-Skyridge with some of these decks. The first game I played my Venusaur/Alakazam/Pokémon Center deck against ruby retro and Entei/Magcargo. I realized too late that his deck's Pokémon would always have less than 3 Energy, making this matchup virtually impossible. Also, my deck and the Politoed deck mentioned earlier would have no way of dealing with Muk effectively. My second game was with a modified Dark Tyranitar list more heavily based on Jason's Dark Feraligatr list (Since he doesn't seem to play Pokémon Breeder in this format), and although I was playing against a Light Dragonite/Fire Ho-Oh/Shining Pokémon pile deck (not the sort of deck you'd run into often)(I won, but I have no idea what that tells me about my own deck), I still think it could have some potential. I'll send you these lists and a modified Dark Scizor list by email.
Oh, thanks for the info! I'll keep an eye out for it!
@@holon_phantom I sent the emails a few days ago. Maybe they went to your spam folder. (I modified the Dark Tyranitar list and explained my changes.)
@@holon_phantom I sent the emails a few days ago. Maybe check your spam folder. (I've been modifying the Dark Tyranitar list and have ideas for a couple of directions you could take the deck. I've been watching more of shuckle tcg's videos to see if any new Neo-Skyridge inspiration hits me.)
Deck list mewtwo deck please
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aitäh videost, mulle meeldib väga vaata teie mängid ja samas meenutades oma lapsudepõlve, eriti need generaatio 1 kaartid. 😊
Too bad for Mewtwo. Psyburn is just really weak with a extra effect. I also think it should have had 100 HP
Mewtwo was one of the strongest cards in the format. So no 😆 it’s perfect the way it is.
@@tanzolo4487 If it has any fault, it's how many Pokémon are running around with Psychic resistance, leading dual type haymaker variants to replace it with Magmar, for example. However, Energy Absorption/Mr. Fuji is still an indispensable package in the Lickitung Stall mirror match.
@@Charmaster04 Never played the card in haymaker/Wigglytuff variants. I always felt is was too clunky without the highest density Psychic energy possible. I personally play Mewtwo in damage swap, and honestly he is a beast paired with Chansey. Chansey 1 hit KO’s wigglytuff, and the deck can just outgrind Lickitung by swapping damage, healing and the Fuji/Mewtwo package. The pairing get’s even crazier in Base-Neo with Metal energy. But you are right. Mewtwo’s typing is it’s biggest weakness. But it is by far not in need of a buff like this guy suggested 😅