Exoslide linear motion system on the Ender 5
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- The Ender 5 has a stable cube frame to begin with and can be made even more rigid with linear rails, but doing so can be very expensive and may require 3D printed parts in key places. The Exoslide system aims to increase rigidity and precision whilst retaining the standard 2020 extrusion. Furthermore, this Ender 5 kit comes with laser cut aluminium frame pieces and all mounting hardware, plus all of the design and development work is done for you.
The creator says an Ender 3 / CR-10 kit is in development. I think these printers would benefit even more due to their frame designs.
The modular Exoslide pieces are injection moulded and are of high quality. This system would be an excellent choice for building a custom CNC machine or even 3D printer.
This kit provided free of charge for the purposes of making this guide. All opinions expressed are my own. I apologise that I couldn't provide my usual before and after testing but I'm currently developing a new SKR / MKS friendly electronics case and the printer is in pieces. All I can ay is that this system seems more rigid and will potentially improve print quality, although in my opinion the print quality on this and similar printers is already quite good.
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It is obvious you spent a LOT of time preparing for this video to make it so clear. Thanks for all your effort. Great stuff.
I had the pleasure of meeting the Exoslide designer out at MRRF. Really nice guy, and passionate about providing a cool product add a reasonable price. You can tell his designs have a lot of thought put into them. I am excited to see how well it prints after the upgrade, and happy to hear that he's getting some exposure on your channel.
Thanks for the kind words, and it was nice you meet you too Eric. Maybe see you at ERRF?
@@exoslide1632 unfortunately I'm working out on a job site during ERRF. So I won't be able to make it out. But best of luck at the show.
Great modding guide!
I used it to combine the exoslide X cariage, with linear Y rails mounted on the edges to not interfere with the belt.
The results are an adjustable X Carriage, not much heavier than stock, thats 10x more stable!
Not using the Y exoslides, and using the linear rails there, solved all the remaining play and slack you ended up with.
The combination of the two was ROCK SOLID.
AND
IF you trim the X Carriage down to the hot end mount plate, and mount the belt slip plate behind it, you can retain the original X belt setup.
Linear Y + Exislide X also gave me 10mm more reachable bed area from stock. 230x230x300!
Again, EXCELLENT tutorial, especially for modders that tend to experiment a bit like myself.
THANKS!
;-D
I´m really interested in your setup! Could you please upload images/video somewhere? :)
Thank you. I did a quick video here: th-cam.com/video/-w76oHv9LaA/w-d-xo.html
To show what I have done to my Ender-5 and some of my results.
Let me know if you have any questions!
My wallet told me to tell you that he doesn't like you.
I came here to make this comment...
hahaha right, feeling the same way, must resist urge for another upgrade!
lol
Really informative video as usual, looking forward to part 2 of the enclosure.
I saw this system at MRRF this year and am glad to see that he got some good traction in the market place and has a kit to showcase the system. Having seen these in person, I'd say they are a good medium between rollers and Hiwin rails.
All i had to see was that first part and I new that exoslide rails were the "Bomb diggity dog." That was totally off the hook. Now I'm going to see if I can fined those exoslides on Amazon. Great video my man; you know what really matters.
Perfect channel! Thank you for your passion in 3d printing!
Love it, will order, I did not know they had released a KIT for the Ender, good thing, since my own "design" for these would have been more expensive and overcomplicated by me :) . Thank for another good video (y)
Excellent tutorial thanks for your efforts!
I just ordered some of these to use on my 1.5m tall Delta printer I've been trying to build. Can't wait to finally make some progress.
I'm excited to see how you go about doing your heated build chamber. I have my Ender 3 upgraded to do high temp printing, but I'm largely relying on the heat from the bed, and the enclosure's insulation.
Great tutorial Michael, a very interesting product too.
Wow, impressive design 😀👍
Looking great
Thanks for sharing 👍😀
I will give it 2 months before a really nice 3d printed version comes out.
Has it?
nope 👎🏻
@@NullHyp there is like 3 different version's on thingiverse right now seriously look harder lol.
Side85Winder i wasn’t able to find them. Thingiverse’s search algorithm has been a bit off since the websites update last month. Could you send me a link to one of them? I’d like to give one a go.
@@Side85Winder link?
This is simply brilliant. Thank you for telling us about it. Their web site (same name) is well designed, including FAQs. Note they make exoslides with metal and plastic rollers (for different applications), in various sizes up to 60 × 60, IIRC
Amazing! Thank you so much!
Why haven't I seen this before?!
Wow this is fantastic!
Interesting concept. Thanks for sharing. Appears well suited for direct drive combos on these aluminium extrusions. Titan Aero on an ender 3 and the like.
"Insert balls" 🤣
Awesome vid! Was waiting for your ender 5 update. Can't wait for it to start printing high temp filaments
Can't wait for the Ender 3 version!
The Ender 3 kit is in development and is next on the list. There is a CR10 from TinyMachines3D that is also in the queue!
ExoSlide do we have a possible time frame?
@@FenyxFyre Realistically around four weeks, though possibly sooner.
@ExoSlide Awesome! I can't wait! Any possible spec improvements you can tell us about?
@@exoslide1632 Nice! I hope you'll be shipping to Europe ;D
EXOSLIDE is 34 grams per piece.
The 4 pieces to install the extender are 136 grams.
It's too heavy for the slide alone.
The two 9mm LM guides are smaller to install back and forth, and they are much thinner.
and can overcome the drop in precision.
Great video. Looki6forward to full enclosure for ender 5
I'm chipping away at it. Spent some serious hours this week modelling the new electronic case which breathes air from outside the enclosure.
Linear slides are cheaper than the exoslide kit. PLUS the exoslide introduces a lot of weight and is very bulky. I prefer linear slides. Nice small carriages with a good form factor.
Agreed and for my CoreXY weight matters.
The cheap rails are garbage. Hywin rails are actually entry level. Price out SKF or NSK (Austrian & Japanese) for proper rails. Once you handle/use proper rails, the other stuff is simply garbage. But VERY expensive! Hundreds per rail.
@Rick Lynch I don't know much about SKF but I do about NSK and for a set can cost as much as a car. Damn smooth and highly accurate is why.
@@thebeststooge Yep! I've used both! Insane quality! Everything I engineer and build gets SKF bearings. A 608 bearing is about $7.00ish CAD for example. Will last a lifetime though.
@@ricklynch This is not a cnc. Cheap rails simply need to be cleaned to be good enough for 3d printing. Without being cleaned they can be quite crudgy. There are also better more precise and cheaper budget options than knock off hi-win which are name brand american made. However few know about them. I will be using them in the 3d printer I am releasing around December this year.
Great Vid. I would imagine this upgrade would suit direct drive units best with the additional weight on the x carriage & probably help any ghosting that may appear on the y azis. The armchair engineer in me can't imagine any noticeable print quality improvements however but will likely reduce maintenance requirements over the long term as the bearings will not wear as quickly as the rubber type wheels. Print speed could probably be increased with no very little effect on print quality.
Awesome! I modified my Direct Drive carriage to match the hole spacing for one of these. Also order 10 of the slides to test out.
Did you try em out? Any conclusions?
I currently have this on my Artillery Sidewinder X1 V4.
I think making custom bracket that will use twice more open v slot rollers would give you the same result as this exoslide for much lower cost.
But honestly if you need rigidity just maybe toss those profiles away and use two linear rods+bearings?
Thanks for the review. Looks to be a high quality modification. I guess to me the million dollar question is does it improve the print quality? Can't wait till you show before and after prints.
Thank you for letting me know that I don't want to do this. Cheers!
Since you like easy affordable modifications I want to point out the "Multimaterial Y joiner" from Zemistr on thingiverse.
I had a spare extruder and already a SKR1.3 Board in my Ender3 with the extra socket for another extruder.
You can print the joiner yourself and need some M3 screws and nuts to hold it together. With the 3 PC4-M6 quick fittings all tubes are held in place.
He also provides a gcode generator for the extruders. This I used as base but I altered it alot to work with Cura 4.2.1
It might be worth looking at some "L" brackets to stiffen the frame. Thanks for the informative videos.
I’ve been considering getting these or rails for a while now. The rubber wheels on my Ender 5 X carriage are worn out and continue to worsen. There is now a groove on all the rollers where they roll on the extrusion. Obviously they must have put it on way too tight at the factory. Every week I look at it again, more and more rubber is turned into dust and the groove is deeper. This will eventually lead to even more backlash and wobble, so I’m looking to fix this before it gets bad. Not sure if I should do this or rails yet.
Even with Hiwin rails you're still going to have flex using that 2020 aluminum.
Flex is a big issue with CNC routers because the bit does put a lot of pressure on the X-axis beam. There are generally two solutions. Double the axis to two beams (like Mechmate CNC routers do) or increase the size of the beam. Doubling the beam means you lose Y-axis travel distance.
I think the main advantage is they will work with euro profile 2020 which v slot wheels wear on. It's quite hard to get cheap v slot in the UK but not euro profile. I assume they will work with plain 20mm square tube too.
Looks an intersting kit but suspect its slightly wasted upon ender 5 mind great vids as always! Have learnt so much from your channel to date.
Very interesting product
Excellent. Really enjoyed this video. I’ve asked the Exoslide people what components they would recommend for the CR-10s Pro. I’ll let you know.
Exoslide haven’t replied to my questions. Don’t know if I should read anything into their no reply.
@@theonlymudgel Hi Michael, sorry not sure what happened, but we don't have an email from you, just a user registration. For the CR10S, some design work is needed to not limit X travel, which is why we're working on a kit. It will include four 20mm slides for the X gantry, and likely a similar arrangement to the Ender 5 for the Z.
ExoSlide Thankks EXOSlide for getting back to me with an answer. I’m sure the community will appreciate this level of feedback directly from a manufacturer.
So the only issue I have had with my Ender 5 is that the left side Y belt slightly rubs on the extrusions at the front end. This looks as though it would solve that problem, and allow me to finally get that smooth surface I've been seeking. Can't wait to see the end results.
rigidity is required when CNC milling alu or steel, to move the tool through the metal
but why is more rigidity needed with 3D printing, where the forces between the head and workpiece are small to non-existent?
Fair points. I found it interesting and was happy to make a video on it. The real benefit for me is in designing custom machines. I have a few projects in mind where it would speed up development greatly.
When running at higher speeds and accelerations the extra rigidity is helpful because of the inertia of the toolhead
A number of print defects originate from resonance within the printer. Reducing this enables either better quality without reducing print speed, or higher print speeds while still achieving the same quality. The original arrangement works amazingly well though... most of my printing problems come from other areas.
Aerospace Machinist here... The more rigid a machine is, the more precise and repeatable it will be.
@@ricklynch I saw a video of a guy doing the linear motion on his ender 5 with the one this guy didnt buy, and he did some test prints and the rollers seemed to have better quality prints
Nice solution to a problem that can also easily be resolved by correctly adjusting the original fittings :-) The flex you see with original fitting, though obviously present and can revealed by exerting excess pressure, isn't really going to affect print quality (IMHO). On another printer with weaker frame there may be more benefit.
The biggest problem a kit like this will fix is the alignment between each Y carriage. Misalignment is an issue on the y axis as wheels and belts wear, parts will come out crooked or like a parallelogram. Y axis misalignment is even worse with the bigger Ender 5 Plus.
Love review. I have the Tevo Tornado printer a CR10 clone. Do you think this upgrade will fix my X axis Layer shift issue. It is really bad.
im thinking of just changing from 20x20 on the x cairrage to 20x40, and modding it to work with the existing ender rollers. seems like it might add more stiffness than the exoslide
Excellent advertisement. Well done
Very good.
Do you have the project of the sensor support leveling...
I'm curious if you think that the linear rails kit for ender 3 found on the 3dfused website are any good ? If so , are exos better than basic rail ?
Hmmm, interested but will it work on something like the Tevo Little Monster which the sliders ride inside the extrusion posts rather than externally?
I don't think it will do much if any for 3d printing as such forces to flex the carriages will not be introduced but I think these can excel on a small cnc router.
Now that's how you reinvent the wheel.
Please tell me that the direct drive set up you made for the ender 3 will work with these? If they will i would buy this for sure.
Great video!
One request...
Please, set the shutter speed of your video camera to 100. It will stop the flickering.
If you are using also your phone to record these videos, here are also mobile video recorders which allow setting of shutter speed. ;)
Thanks for the tip. I've been struggling with this on and off for a while and will try it.
@@TeachingTech Actually I already told you here -> th-cam.com/video/dOJbSrWVu_Q/w-d-xo.html&lc=UgwdEnh1UIQVuHhixS14AaABAg.8x_i196a31J8x_rwZkZAOu
You probably didn't see my comment ;)
I wrote:
Hi Michael :)
I see you are from Australia. Frequency of your electricity is 50 Hz.
Please set a shutter speed of your camera to 25/50 or 100. Keep the ISO low and everything will be fine. :)
Interesting ...... But, I think I will await more review feedback, since I am still getting used to my mod'd Direct Drive & BLTouch set up.
Does this give you the same amount of print bed space as before the upgrade? It looks like it makes it so the hot end extruder can go as far over after upgrade
Does Delta have this problem or is it solved due to the orthogonal mechanical advantage mounts (the way the arms are attached to the rail from the carriage).
Just a quick FYI. The newest Ender 5 kits are different than the one in this video, follow the instructions on the EXO Slide website.
9:39 screws that hold the button on the PCB probably should go in from the other side, so the screw head is on the PCB side
can i buy the carriages to use on an Ender 3 though? i just wat more acurate movements for my hotend axis alone. would this be a viable solution or not?
Year after, what are your thougts about it? Review?
I could see using this Exoslide system on my Kossel Mini. Only thing is that it'd cost about $90 not including tax and shipping. At least for using the 3 sided version of the rails. If you wanted the more rigid version of the rails you need 4 per rail. That'd be $120 without tax and shipping. It'd probably be a great investment though.
Honestly though. I probably won't buy them for mine as I already use linear rails on it. Maybe if I was to build another one. A bigger one. 😁 So I'll be keeping this product in mind for future projects. Maybe even for a mini CNC machine or something. I see many possibilities.😉
this seem very good for the Y axis at both end of the X axis but it has nothing good for the X axis because it place the print head farther from the rail so more vibration possible
so for the price I will pass on that one and simply keep a lower speed with the actual system
I don't know if it isn't a bit of overkill. Forces acting on the hotend carrier are not that big - unless you have a multi-filament direct-drive printer.
I just added dual linear rails to my Prusa i3 MK3 S Y axis for $30 bucks. Works great.
Which one 15mm or 12 mm rail?
I used the 12mm wide rail, since there is 2 of them , one on each side. It made it very stable and over kill. But it was fun, works great. You can find the video on my Robothut youtube.
@@Robothut oh cool, here 15mm cost less than 12 mm but the issue is that 15mm is build to carry heavier load smoothly ..
I wonder if the 15mm wide rail set would drag where it passes threw the frame cut outs ? Its close on the 12 mm linear rail set up.
@@Robothut didn't get it!?
15 mm ones are heavy and is not as free moving .. untill load is applied ..
I am now building a creality style 3d printer with 30x30 support under 2060 for y axis and 20x40 for x axis ..
Since head is not moving in z direction I don't think a litle play in bracket makes little to no difference. Added weight however will degrade performance and might require printing a bit slower. Linear rail in principle could replace whole 2020 rail.
Seems like a reasonably viable option, but how do they compare to cheap Chinese linear rails? One Exoslide box carriage comes out to $40, while a Chinese 300mm linear rail and carriage can be had for
Coming late to this, but it seems to me the bang for the buck is on the X-Axis carriage if anywhere. I just don't see the Y-axis mod making a big difference given how rigid it is simply supported at both ends of the gantry. You aren't going to get torsion about the Z axis or the X axis with Y axis motion on an Ender 5. As long as the Y-axis components are smoothly rolling and properly tensioned you should be good. Stiffening the X-axis gantry assembly and adding the linear rail system then would take more slop out, potentially fixing high speed torsion issues about the Z-axis and maybe the X-axis. But all this really looks like a 250 lb cyclist trying to shave 5 ounces off his seat for a bicycle race...it ain't the seat.
Need side by side prints to see if this actually did anything.
I'd like to know the noise output once up and running, it seems on my Ender 5 I can't get the wheels to be totally quiet, there are always some spots where they squeak and it drives my wife absolutely nuts.
They make a rolling sound which is about the same as standard for volume. No squeaks before or after for me.
I put a drop of oil on mine, stopped squeaking.
do you think it's better linear rails or exoslide (for ender 5 plus)? thank you
Hi Michael, any chance of a follow up? I'm considering buying a set but I'd like to know it's a worthwhile investment.
Michael, this kit apparently is only available in the US and Canada. How did you get something that can't be purchased in Australia or Europe, for instance ?
it says in the description that the kit was provided free of charge for the purposes of the video.
We can ship most places outside NA if you have a Paypal address! Use the contact form to email me your order, paypal, and shipping address. I'll add a note to the checkout page.
Are there ways to buy the exoslide if you are not located in the USA and Canada? I kinda want to upgrade to that too.
Have you thought about fixing your X-carriage upside down so that the top of the ender 5 can be used and a top cover is easier to design ? It will decrease the maximum height of the printer but I think the ender 5 have quite abit of Z-height.
For international orders, using the contact form, just send us your order, Paypal and shipping address.
Solid video and definitely 'A' for effort Michael but this system is no cheaper or 'better' than linear rail. Especially if you use the Chinese rail. I am seriously considering converting the Y axis on my E3 to linear and it will cost $24 for the 300mm rail to do it. The X axis is a bit trickier to do without losing print volume in the Y axis but the bigger issue is that my E3 prints perfectly well for my needs. Yes the bed flexes if I pressure it but in normal operation the flexing is not noticeable. Also the Chinese linear rails are rock solid with a modicum of care. I have three huge rails in my Anycubic Linear Delta and I find they have worked perfectly for the past year and my service has been no more than a light spraying/lubing of PTFE dry lube in the channels. Notwithstanding the previous comments I'd still like to see what they come up with for an Ender 3.
How did you buy it in Australia ? it only lists US and Canada on the website. I am in the UK would be interested if there was a way of purchasing ?
We ship outside the US and Canada, just send your order, Paypal & shipping address through the contact form.
wow and here i thought i woud have to drop insane amounts of money on my laser cutter for long linear rails
I don't think putting steel bearings on aluminum extrusion is a good idea.
Exactly whos the genius that thought it was a good idea to put steel bearings on aluminum.
@exoslide in the kit for ender 3 will it contain rails for the heated bed too ?
I'm not the creator but I'd say yes.
I've owned an Ender-5 for a year now and I I really do not understand why many of you want to change anything on the X and Y axes as the original system gives already very good and precise results...
It's kind of like asking why people put aftermarket kits on stock Corvettes or similar cars.. chasing that extra performance is as much fun as using the original.
In my opinion, this modification is debatable.
Will this kit work with the ender 3?
What fan duct mod are you using?
NIIIICE!!!!!!!!! excellent idea and the product!
unfortunately very expensive to delivery to russia (((
Can you do a video on the skr pro?
Any way to put micro Swiss direct drive on here?
Hope they will do an ExoSlide for 4040... would be prefect for CNC !
They have them on the website.
the hot end carriage, I guess it's called the X axis that it's mounted to. Would it be more rigid with an 2040 extrusion instead?, or will rails be more rigid, even on an 2020 extrusion?
You have to use a lot of force to twist a 2020 extrusion. An Ender 5 is not a CNC machine running 6mm DOC in AlMg4.5 - the X-axis wont ever twist under printing conditions.
@@Panzermuh well, I was watching this video, see at th-cam.com/video/7TLgI9na_SY/w-d-xo.html Since It's pointed out that it is moving/twisting similarily like before using exoslide, I assumed that it is an issue?
Mighty Printer Mods
In my personal point of view, the "wobbling" X carriage (only when you really apply forces by your hand to "move" it) is not really a problem in 3D printing case, because in 3D printing, the machine doesn't apply a ton of loads and forces by the mean of the X carriage (it just pushes out the "liquidified" filament in somekind of mid-air), not like the CNC machines's case (the X carriage really apllies a tons of forces and receives the same force from the workpiece). So I think that the "wobbling" you are talking about is not a real thing to be worry about. Moreover, I see it as part of the "flexibility" of the machine, mean that if anything bad happen (such as the X carriage bumps into a blob caused by over-extrusion on the surface of the current printing layer), the printer can still recover from that and continue printing to finish its job. That is my thought, anyone that has other thought please reply below so we can learn to be better together, and sorry for my English,lol.
Lại Quốc Bảo All wobble must be eliminated. At higher speeds, non-rigid moving parts adds to the resonance and vibration, reducing print quality.
Every time you run over a blob, it’s not up and down and done. It bounces up and down in vibration, and may continues to do so imperceptibly for some time, leading to more artifacting.
How has this system been over the past 3 years?
TLDW
Thisis an install walk through. Can't actually tell if this upgrade produces better prints because the machine isn't functional at the moment. :/
Whats the goal if i cant compare the results...
But why? the ender 3 is precise enough?
This looks like it might conflict with the BAsaraba Innovations Direct Drive Option...
The ExoSlides have 4 pickup points per slide, making it easy to attach custom brackets. I'm working on publishing common direct drive printable brackets to Thingiverse
ender 3 kit?
Seems a bit like voodoo. No before and after prints?
I don't think, there's a reseller in the EU?
kool
Actually this system is more expensive than a linear rail. At least two times per axis.
It won't solve the problem with the crappy tolerances of the extrusions at all. They can be several tens of millimeters out from one end to the other.
I wonder if this kit also would fit the Enter 5 plus directly..
Apart from the belts I dont see why not.
@ Asked them, and it seems like it will come later on.
can this also be used for the ender 5 plus?
They have a kit now for the plus!
No after mod print? Must be because the sponsors don't want people to know it doesn't change print quality.