I remember when Floral Shoppe came out and weirdly it was seen as controversial. It was kind of like the old argument of is sample based music really music or are they really musicians crap. Like the backlash against hip hop and it's legitimacy as music early on. I was intrigued by Floral Shoppe but never found a copy. Oneohtrix Point Never was regarded as Vaporwave too, who I think are brilliant. Never seen anyone talk about this record. Killed it again Shawn.
For the most part, Vaporwave is most interesting as an idea or an as aesthetic. Most of the music is rather average. But having said that; there is some interesting music within the genre. It’s interesting that the shirt was seen as controversial. Lol. I like that. But you nailed it - art is once again ahead of the law. The business community tried to say that cassette tape were the end of music. Then it was hip-hop. Makes me wonder why we stick with an economic system that is so rigid and fragile that we have to bail out industries with billions of dollars every ten years or so. But that’s another story. Hope you are doing well, Ben. Cheers. Shawn
My partner likes some vaporware, and she even played me some of the albums you've showed but I haven't really been able to wrap my head around it enough to enjoy it. Most recently I tried by getting the Romance - Once Upon a Time record, mostly because I like some Romance records, but it didn't click so ended up selling it. Having said that, I always enjoy and appreciate the background information you add to your videos, tying it to other aspects of culture, politics etc.
I appreciate that. Vaporwave isn’t for everyone. And I don’t like most of the albums that I heard described as Vaporwave. But Birth of a New Day is pretty interesting. Very cinematic in its scope. But I really think it’s important to include the subversive aspects of this music. Thanks for watching! Cheers. Shawn
I appreciate that. Vaporwave isn’t for everyone. And I don’t like most of the albums that I heard described as Vaporwave. But Birth of a New Day is pretty interesting. If you have not heard it already, it’s worth a listen. Very cinematic in its scope. But I really think it’s important to include the subversive aspects of this music. Thanks for watching! Cheers. Shawn
Well I appreciate that. These are just two interesting anomalies that are out there that I thought would be interesting. Something at bit different. Shawn
Shawn, I love all music, including Muzak and Easy- Listening music, like Percy Faith, Paul Mauriat, Bert Kaempfert and a host of others. Lyndon B. Johnson owned the Muzak franchise in Austin Texas and Eisenhower provided the West Wing of the White House with Muzak. Muzak was revolutionary because it was transmitted through electrical lines, not broadcasted and then, picked up on radio antennas. The idea that music can be used to manipulate the behavior of human beings is quite interesting to me. Oh yeah, and I also love the art that hangs in medical offices, hotel rooms, work place conference rooms and banks. In 1961, composer James Tenney manipulated a tape of Elvis Presley performing ''Blue Suede Shoes'', he titled the piece, ''Collage #1( Blue Suede) and just like the Vaporwave artists, the voice is easily recognizable. Culture Jamming has been going on for a long time, the Dada Movement started in 1916, sparked by the atrocities of World War I. Andy Warhol would have recognized the charm of Vaporwave recordings. I don't buy Campbell soup anymore, but I still admire the rows of cans in supermarkets, when no one is looking.
Michael you always have such amazing input. Thank you. So in some ways Vaporwave is just a continuation of an existing undercurrent in the music business. And I have read about Vaporwave artists using Department Store Muziak tapes as source material. There’s an offshoot of Vaporwave called Mallwave that uses these sources. I love the idea of taking something and creating something new. Whatever happens the human spirit finds a way of creating music and art. Thank you for your comments. Shawn
Wow. I gave the track a good listen just now - it’s a fascinating piece of music. And completely changes the meaning, context and purpose of the sampled track. You’re right that Tenny created something completely unique- which brings up that question mentioned in the video about copyright. (But that’s a separate legal issue). Oddly, it wouldn’t sound out of place on a Einstruzende Neubauten album. Lol. But really…it’s an good example of the possibilities that electronic music has to offer given our changing technology. I’m reading a bit about Tenny now; the incorporation of John Cages ideas about the development of music. So these ideas of the Vaporwave movement are partly an example of the technology catching up with these ideas. I need to dig a bit deeper to real understand the importance of Tenny. I appreciate you showing me this; I wouldn’t have truly understood the connection without you showing me. Now I need to hear some more of Tenny’s recordings. 😊. I’ll let you know what I think. Thanks again.
@@the-vinyl-dreamscape5084 Shawn, James Tenney was a leading figure in the Avant- Garde scene. He was good friends with Stan Brakhage, an experimental film-maker. Tenney provided soundtracks for him, and even made appearances in some films. I focus on the fact that he chose Elvis as a sound source. Most composers, in 1961 would have been unlikely to use a popular star as a ''found sound'', they would have used an ''unknown'' vocalist singing a tune by Mozart or Wagner. Tenney chose Elvis because he was famous and still a ''hot commodity''. He also expected that only a handful of people would actually hear the piece.
@@michaelvalentini4869 That’s interesting. I wonder too if he wasn’t trying to provoke some attention. But perhaps I’m being too cynical. From everything I’ve read those far, Tenny was focused on his art and exploring the ideas he had about music.
@@Grooverski Thanks, Mariusz. Appreciate you watching. Vaporwave isn’t for everyone and many releases under that category don’t do anything for me. But it’s an interesting variation of electronic music that I think wasn’t on many people’s radar. Cheers! Shawn
I've had seversl legit copies of 2814, i thought the CD i had sounded better than the LP I showed some VAPORWAVE back in 21/22. My name is Shawn as well, there's one other dude in the VC that some vapor LPs but i can't remember his handle
@@Shawn_at_Vinyl_Minimalist That’s really cool that you showed 2814. I’ve never noticed anyone showing any other album from the genre. I’d be curious if you would recommend another Vaporwave album. Anything that I may be missing? Thank you for watching and commenting. Cheers
'Vaporwave' (this trend designation is imediatly a joke) in its basic musical aspect reminds and takes us to the worst that was done in the 80s (Modern Talking, Italo synth pop and else). Its visual aesthetic tendency is also an artistic nullity, any child would create a better visual work. The 'computerization' of music is something that can easily become its demonization. Maybe it's up to us, the listeners and ultimately the consumers, to understand how far we allow ourselves to be cheated.
A joke? In a way, yes. An intentional critique of a certain aspect of our society. They are using the tool that is provided by our vapid culture as a way of subverting that culture. So I wouldn’t simply dismiss it as a “joke”. There is a much more thoughtful idea behind that many of these musicians are creating. But you must be willing to look beneath the surface and understand what is happening. As I said, it’s not for everyone. Cheers! Shawn
@@the-vinyl-dreamscape5084 Maybe these people are in fact good 'advanced sound technology'' manipulators (as those who create that unspeakable gaming soundtracks), but that, in my opinion, doesn't make them musicians. Looking (or listening) to the result of their final achievement, i don't think i need to look behind the surface to reach any deeper insight over "what is happening". I'm sure is not for everyone, sure is not for me. Cheers Shawn! (Sorry for my bad English..)
I remember when Floral Shoppe came out and weirdly it was seen as controversial. It was kind of like the old argument of is sample based music really music or are they really musicians crap. Like the backlash against hip hop and it's legitimacy as music early on. I was intrigued by Floral Shoppe but never found a copy. Oneohtrix Point Never was regarded as Vaporwave too, who I think are brilliant. Never seen anyone talk about this record. Killed it again Shawn.
For the most part, Vaporwave is most interesting as an idea or an as aesthetic. Most of the music is rather average. But having said that; there is some interesting music within the genre. It’s interesting that the shirt was seen as controversial. Lol. I like that. But you nailed it - art is once again ahead of the law. The business community tried to say that cassette tape were the end of music. Then it was hip-hop. Makes me wonder why we stick with an economic system that is so rigid and fragile that we have to bail out industries with billions of dollars every ten years or so. But that’s another story. Hope you are doing well, Ben. Cheers. Shawn
My partner likes some vaporware, and she even played me some of the albums you've showed but I haven't really been able to wrap my head around it enough to enjoy it. Most recently I tried by getting the Romance - Once Upon a Time record, mostly because I like some Romance records, but it didn't click so ended up selling it.
Having said that, I always enjoy and appreciate the background information you add to your videos, tying it to other aspects of culture, politics etc.
I appreciate that. Vaporwave isn’t for everyone. And I don’t like most of the albums that I heard described as Vaporwave. But Birth of a New Day is pretty interesting. Very cinematic in its scope. But I really think it’s important to include the subversive aspects of this music. Thanks for watching! Cheers. Shawn
I appreciate that. Vaporwave isn’t for everyone. And I don’t like most of the albums that I heard described as Vaporwave. But Birth of a New Day is pretty interesting. If you have not heard it already, it’s worth a listen. Very cinematic in its scope. But I really think it’s important to include the subversive aspects of this music. Thanks for watching! Cheers. Shawn
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Greets back from Detroit! Appreciate you watching. Cheers!
You have great taste
Well I appreciate that. These are just two interesting anomalies that are out there that I thought would be interesting. Something at bit different. Shawn
Shawn, I love all music, including Muzak and Easy- Listening music, like Percy Faith, Paul Mauriat, Bert Kaempfert and a host of others. Lyndon B. Johnson owned the Muzak franchise in Austin Texas and Eisenhower provided the West Wing of the White House with Muzak. Muzak was revolutionary because it was transmitted through electrical lines, not broadcasted and then, picked up on radio antennas. The idea that music can be used to manipulate the behavior of human beings is quite interesting to me. Oh yeah, and I also love the art that hangs in medical offices, hotel rooms, work place conference rooms and banks. In 1961, composer James Tenney manipulated a tape of Elvis Presley performing ''Blue Suede Shoes'', he titled the piece, ''Collage #1( Blue Suede) and just like the Vaporwave artists, the voice is easily recognizable. Culture Jamming has been going on for a long time, the Dada Movement started in 1916, sparked by the atrocities of World War I. Andy Warhol would have recognized the charm of Vaporwave recordings. I don't buy Campbell soup anymore, but I still admire the rows of cans in supermarkets, when no one is looking.
Michael you always have such amazing input. Thank you. So in some ways Vaporwave is just a continuation of an existing undercurrent in the music business. And I have read about Vaporwave artists using Department Store Muziak tapes as source material. There’s an offshoot of Vaporwave called Mallwave that uses these sources. I love the idea of taking something and creating something new. Whatever happens the human spirit finds a way of creating music and art. Thank you for your comments. Shawn
@@the-vinyl-dreamscape5084 Shawn, check out that Tenney piece, it's only 3 minutes long.
Wow. I gave the track a good listen just now - it’s a fascinating piece of music. And completely changes the meaning, context and purpose of the sampled track. You’re right that Tenny created something completely unique- which brings up that question mentioned in the video about copyright. (But that’s a separate legal issue). Oddly, it wouldn’t sound out of place on a Einstruzende Neubauten album. Lol. But really…it’s an good example of the possibilities that electronic music has to offer given our changing technology. I’m reading a bit about Tenny now; the incorporation of John Cages ideas about the development of music. So these ideas of the Vaporwave movement are partly an example of the technology catching up with these ideas. I need to dig a bit deeper to real understand the importance of Tenny. I appreciate you showing me this; I wouldn’t have truly understood the connection without you showing me. Now I need to hear some more of Tenny’s recordings. 😊. I’ll let you know what I think. Thanks again.
@@the-vinyl-dreamscape5084 Shawn, James Tenney was a leading figure in the Avant- Garde scene. He was good friends with Stan Brakhage, an experimental film-maker. Tenney provided soundtracks for him, and even made appearances in some films. I focus on the fact that he chose Elvis as a sound source. Most composers, in 1961 would have been unlikely to use a popular star as a ''found sound'', they would have used an ''unknown'' vocalist singing a tune by Mozart or Wagner. Tenney chose Elvis because he was famous and still a ''hot commodity''. He also expected that only a handful of people would actually hear the piece.
@@michaelvalentini4869 That’s interesting. I wonder too if he wasn’t trying to provoke some attention. But perhaps I’m being too cynical. From everything I’ve read those far, Tenny was focused on his art and exploring the ideas he had about music.
Thank you so much for this!
@@m_recordz Well, thank you for watching. I appreciate it. Cheers.
I haven’t seen anyone talk about it either. Thank you putting some light on it. Really appreciate it Shawn. 👍🏻
@@Grooverski Thanks, Mariusz. Appreciate you watching. Vaporwave isn’t for everyone and many releases under that category don’t do anything for me. But it’s an interesting variation of electronic music that I think wasn’t on many people’s radar. Cheers! Shawn
I've had seversl legit copies of 2814, i thought the CD i had sounded better than the LP I showed some VAPORWAVE back in 21/22. My name is Shawn as well, there's one other dude in the VC that some vapor LPs but i can't remember his handle
@@Shawn_at_Vinyl_Minimalist That’s really cool that you showed 2814. I’ve never noticed anyone showing any other album from the genre. I’d be curious if you would recommend another Vaporwave album. Anything that I may be missing? Thank you for watching and commenting. Cheers
@the-vinyl-dreamscape5084 the Telepath- A album is pretty good, also on Dream catalog. I don't really dig the Macintosh future funk side.
'Vaporwave' (this trend designation is imediatly a joke) in its basic musical aspect reminds and takes us to the worst that was done in the 80s (Modern Talking, Italo synth pop and else). Its visual aesthetic tendency is also an artistic nullity, any child would create a better visual work.
The 'computerization' of music is something that can easily become its demonization. Maybe it's up to us, the listeners and ultimately the consumers, to understand how far we allow ourselves to be cheated.
A joke? In a way, yes. An intentional critique of a certain aspect of our society. They are using the tool that is provided by our vapid culture as a way of subverting that culture. So I wouldn’t simply dismiss it as a “joke”. There is a much more thoughtful idea behind that many of these musicians are creating. But you must be willing to look beneath the surface and understand what is happening. As I said, it’s not for everyone. Cheers! Shawn
@@the-vinyl-dreamscape5084
Maybe these people are in fact good 'advanced sound technology'' manipulators (as those who create that unspeakable gaming soundtracks), but that, in my opinion, doesn't make them musicians.
Looking (or listening) to the result of their final achievement, i don't think i need to look behind the surface to reach any deeper insight over "what is happening".
I'm sure is not for everyone, sure is not for me.
Cheers Shawn!
(Sorry for my bad English..)