oh, I forgot to mention, the after the death of Nguyen Hoang, who was the mastermind of establishing a powerful faction in the south in 1614, the atrocity between the 2 families ended up to a civil war from 1627 - 1672, which devastated the middle Vietnam. 7 battles but none of them could gain triumph over another.
I really didn't have *that* much trouble with this one. It's a lot of multi-tasking and the 100 pop limit really burns, but basically just keep a castle with a couple light cav in it in both bases. The castle things the herd and the light cav can jump out to kill rams before jumping back in. Also, you definitely want to kill the middle blue bases, it helps alleviate the surround the ming have on your allies and opens up the map a lot more. Army comp was mostly rattans, rams, and light cav.
If you just wall up your Ally and put castles at each base, the enemy struggles to make ground. They're stuck in the castle age like you so they only have regular Rams to take out the castles and if you use the OP battle elephants with 100 extra HP, it's super easy. Vietnam hard counters the chinese - the combo of the Raja archer and elephant is an insane combo
In fact in Vietnamese History, the Trinh and the Nguyen only came to power in the middle and late 1500s. After taking back the capital, Thang Long (now is Ha Noi) from the Mac family, the usurper in 1572, the fracture between the 2 families started when Trinh Kiem, the son-in-law of the late general Nguyen Kim (who protected and brought back the Emperor and was poisoned in 1545) killed the eldest son of the Nguyen, Nguyen Uong. Nguyen Hoang, the second son, fled to the South in 1533, they still supported each other until 1600 when Hoang declared that he would never serve the Trinh anymore, only the Le dynasty. So in Dai Viet was split in 3, the Trinh in the north, controlled the Emperor and the capital, the Nguyen, in the south and kept expanding until the 1800s, and the remaining of the Mac at the Vietnam-China border untill 1677. Just to let u know how funny the scenario in the DE :)))
I know another comment said similar, But I love how you outright avoided an army going to kill your ally and was surprised your ally almost died when all they had left was a barely standing castle. the sheer pure shock in your voice was priceless. Normally I'd ridicule someone over such a mistake since what do you expect? But with all the crap going on in this level, I can totally understand. Kudos to you for noticing it in time. Rip 650 stone. I know the moment you tried to place a castle and rams were still up that was going to happen. Rip
Hi Mr. Wolf, Really been enjoying these videos. I bought age of empires 1 and 2 about a month ago have been unable to pull myself away for anything other than work and fulfilling my baser needs. When I get stuck or I can’t get my fix I watch these videos and I love your tactics and commentary. I always learn something or just enjoy watching a master at work. Thanks for you hard work!
Honestly this mission seemed easy to me even on hard. Just spam skirmishers and elephants. They will hard counter the Ming patrol's knights, chu ko nu and infantry quite easily. Also put a castle and a few skirms in each ally base and you are good. P. S. Also petards help to annihilate battering rams.
I would have built forward stables as fast as possible to spam elephants in front of the far away villages like i usually do with other scenarios like this, helps because u dont have to move all the way from the other side of the map knowing how slow ass are the actual elephants.
I also did not have that much trouble with this scenario. I built castles at both my allies' bases and after a while decided to screw all the specialized units etc. and just spam knights instead. And that worked like a charm, like it mostly does lol.
The way I did this was to just make a castle for each, put like 3 Elephants each castle and a monk to heal the elephants. You can patrol them in front of the castles EZ.
Wow what a pain the ass. My base was never attacked. But by about the 3rd village being cleared out, either the red or the blue. One or the other but never both ( not in my attempts ) gets hit hard and loses castle and MUST be rescued, eventually this happens to the other 1. I had to stop my advance on villages completely, it took a little bit but I brought 2-3 villagers to each ally base and build a castle ideally as close to their castle as possible AND a stable next to that, by now if you boomed like I did I had 20k-30k food and could get rid of villagers for extra soldier room. So in the ally bases I would garrison 5 min rat archers in each castle AND 2 elephants into the castle that gets hit by rams, this way when they hit hard the castles usually kill of units fast enough that you can safely ungarrison elephants to kill rams, if they get overun, garrison n ungarrison when it safe, after it clear, use villagers to heal castles, rebuild walls. While this is happening, your ally gets the chance to rebuild enough units to actually help hold off the attacks, in one of the bases I had enough room to build 2 castles plus ally castle, plus ally soldiers was enough to destroy attacks entirely, eventually it was self sustaining and could have held out indefinitely. I even considered attempting to wipe out each ming outpost just to see if it could be done buy decided to just safely finish the mission. P.s. you can garrison units into ally castle/towers, placing stable next to castle and clicking rally point onto castle, just like castle rally point onto itself will instantly garrison built units, this is helpful especially when the base is under attack n full of units.
Likely a bug. There used to be some other really funny examples of renamed campaign units/buildings that ended up with really funny, nonsensical names. iirc Nogai Khan used to be "Great Wall" or something 11
Did this mission get nurfed?? Because this mission was incredibly easy. If you leave a small group of knights/skirmishers with each Ally you can easily hold back the small attacks. Hell I even made 2 castles in each base just for reassurance. Made a bunch of walls too just to turtle up while my army of elephants and archers wrecked light blue/towers. They must’ve nurfed this cuz this too easy
I did this tactic you dont need castle at base you need to build 2 castles in alies bases 1 each close to alies castles and you garison few elephants to protect castles from enemy rams
I've tried that - I was able to take out the two Castles in the center of the map, as well as the north base.... then I ran out of gold 11. And no, there is no achievement for this scenario. The Le Loi achievement is in #5 (which I will do in that vid :P)
I actually managed to beat every enemy on moderate difficulty but it took like 5 in game hours. The key was to build a castle in each of the allied cities and garrison at least 10 archers in each keep. Then it was matter of time killing every opponent. the hardest base to take was the west one. Spent like 15k gold on units (having 4 relics really makes a difference in gold income).
I actually enjoy the Le Loi campaign that seems hated by everyone else lol. So yes it took 8 hrs in-game time with a lot of F3 pausing to micro the raids on both of your allies. I deliberately avoided the victory condition to finish off both main bases. Maybe the variety of AoE gameplay styles is what made me enjoy the first Viet campaign so much. First you are a major underdog and need to build your own eco while rushing to build bases within your allies two cities. Eventually you get to a rhythm with the enemy rushes against the allied cities. I tribute allies resources and rebuild their walls and towers myself. The Red player build a lot of Cav. last time I gave him gold and food (a lot) and was able to defend himself partly while I destroyed the main base behind him. In the down time before the more threatening raids on the orange city I'd snipe and petard the small bases and castle. The pop limit too low, but clearly you weren't meant to become a dynamo. Castles and towers are one way to make up for it!
He has an old urban southern accent, which can only be found in the refugee community in CA. Modern southern urban accent is sort of a mix between the male villager's voice and female villager's voice
@@khanhtran8772 Maybe what's rare now was commonplace 500 years ago? Just guessing, I know nothing about Vietnamese accent, tho I would love to :) Anyway, thank you for your reply. Now I know something new about the world. CA = Cambodia?
@@paulb7027 CA as in California. After the Vietnam War, the first wave of Viet refugees were mostly southerners from the former government, so they brought their accent with them. Most of them are in Orange County, California, so if you are in the US, you should come over and check it out. That's also my plan anyway
There are also ridiculous stories about a Vietnamese counter part of the holy sword Excalibur 😂. TheVietnamese myths made me laugh for a moment, since it was almost identical
Le Loi fighting with the Nguyen and Trinh is super bizarre. The Trinh and Nguyen family only rise to prominence and have their own domain nearly 200 years later.
This campaign... too easily compare to what really happened. In the reality: - Lack of food - Lack of gold - It is difficult to recruit soldiers. - Your base is located right beside one of the two most powerful bases of Chinese in Vietnam. = > That is the first campaign. ^ ^"
as someone who uses these videos to help beat campaign on hard mode the best thing i have discovered is a comment about the F3 pause. while F3 paused you can give villagers/army orders and queue up units/techs and unpause again. this is cheap as heck but i couldnt do it without it and these videos. another thing i do is save and resign and return to map to see the whole map revealed, save often with "checkpoint" saves just in case i need to go back a save or two and redo my strategy and lastly try to keep enemy markets on the map when destroying them so i can trade if need be and just overwhelm the ai with gold units. i have low elo and barely beat campaign on bronze without these tricks.
The ENTIRE Le Loi campaign felt "unfun" to me. Like, washing dishes and doing the laundry felt more interesting and engaging. And even when it was engaging, it was more hectic and stressful than challenging. Not to mention vietnamese is kinda the worst civ to play as, ESPECIALLY in this campaign's scenarios that make the civ seem even worse than it really is!!!
Not to mention the whole "Rattan Archers beat Cho Ku Nu" thing...oh no they do not! Literally no better a hard (ranged) counter to Rattan Archers than these nasty little shits.
Ah, the Vietnamese. Arguably the WORST civ to play. As an archer civ they're vastly inferior to viturally every other civ. No eco bonus, a vastly inferior unique unit and unique tech, and the fact that nothing else really stands out in their tech tree, and you see why they're one of the least played civs. Who here agrees?
I love that you purposefully avoided the army that was going to finish off your ally and were then surprised that your ally was being finished off.
oh, I forgot to mention, the after the death of Nguyen Hoang, who was the mastermind of establishing a powerful faction in the south in 1614, the atrocity between the 2 families ended up to a civil war from 1627 - 1672, which devastated the middle Vietnam. 7 battles but none of them could gain triumph over another.
You should have bought war elephants for gold. They are stronger than the Southeast Asian variant and can take more arrow fire.
cmon man :))). really
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I really didn't have *that* much trouble with this one. It's a lot of multi-tasking and the 100 pop limit really burns, but basically just keep a castle with a couple light cav in it in both bases. The castle things the herd and the light cav can jump out to kill rams before jumping back in.
Also, you definitely want to kill the middle blue bases, it helps alleviate the surround the ming have on your allies and opens up the map a lot more.
Army comp was mostly rattans, rams, and light cav.
If you just wall up your Ally and put castles at each base, the enemy struggles to make ground. They're stuck in the castle age like you so they only have regular Rams to take out the castles and if you use the OP battle elephants with 100 extra HP, it's super easy. Vietnam hard counters the chinese - the combo of the Raja archer and elephant is an insane combo
Sometimes, It’s funny and satisfying to see people suffering from playing hardest mission, make it more please!
In fact in Vietnamese History, the Trinh and the Nguyen only came to power in the middle and late 1500s. After taking back the capital, Thang Long (now is Ha Noi) from the Mac family, the usurper in 1572, the fracture between the 2 families started when Trinh Kiem, the son-in-law of the late general Nguyen Kim (who protected and brought back the Emperor and was poisoned in 1545) killed the eldest son of the Nguyen, Nguyen Uong. Nguyen Hoang, the second son, fled to the South in 1533, they still supported each other until 1600 when Hoang declared that he would never serve the Trinh anymore, only the Le dynasty. So in Dai Viet was split in 3, the Trinh in the north, controlled the Emperor and the capital, the Nguyen, in the south and kept expanding until the 1800s, and the remaining of the Mac at the Vietnam-China border untill 1677. Just to let u know how funny the scenario in the DE :)))
Learning Vietnamese history - hooray! :D
@@OrnLu_AoE my pleasure
@Henry Kesbein Of course :))))
thanks man, glad to watch some game play and learn some viet history. love from China. LOL
@@peterzhu705 Thanks. LOL
“Oh and now my elephants are lost in transit.”
- Hannibal probably
I know another comment said similar, But I love how you outright avoided an army going to kill your ally and was surprised your ally almost died when all they had left was a barely standing castle.
the sheer pure shock in your voice was priceless.
Normally I'd ridicule someone over such a mistake since what do you expect? But with all the crap going on in this level, I can totally understand. Kudos to you for noticing it in time.
Rip 650 stone. I know the moment you tried to place a castle and rams were still up that was going to happen. Rip
Hi Mr. Wolf,
Really been enjoying these videos. I bought age of empires 1 and 2 about a month ago have been unable to pull myself away for anything other than work and fulfilling my baser needs. When I get stuck or I can’t get my fix I watch these videos and I love your tactics and commentary. I always learn something or just enjoy watching a master at work. Thanks for you hard work!
There is an axiom in aoe2. The allies can fall in two categories: First, they betray you, Secondo, they are useless. XDXDXD
54 whole minutes of FeelsOrnlu, oh boy.
I love in the DE edition, they fixed the architecture of Vietnamese buildings. They were more Chinese inspired, rather than Khmer's
Feels like it's way easier than in HD. I got it first time when I struggled A LOT in HD!
Honestly this mission seemed easy to me even on hard. Just spam skirmishers and elephants. They will hard counter the Ming patrol's knights, chu ko nu and infantry quite easily. Also put a castle and a few skirms in each ally base and you are good.
P. S. Also petards help to annihilate battering rams.
14:20 I wonder why they didn't put laotian and chams as enemies, since they colloborated with the ming to attsck le loi
35:45 Let's try to avoid the Ming Army (heading where we came from)
37:45 Oh Crap
*Pikachu surprised face
In my defense, I never claimed to be remotely intelligent. So really that's on you ;)
I would have built forward stables as fast as possible to spam elephants in front of the far away villages like i usually do with other scenarios like this, helps because u dont have to move all the way from the other side of the map knowing how slow ass are the actual elephants.
Last time I did this I went through all the Blue bases and destroyed them.
You can feel the stress
I also did not have that much trouble with this scenario. I built castles at both my allies' bases and after a while decided to screw all the specialized units etc. and just spam knights instead. And that worked like a charm, like it mostly does lol.
The way I did this was to just make a castle for each, put like 3 Elephants each castle and a monk to heal the elephants. You can patrol them in front of the castles EZ.
Fortunate Son begins to play.
you can send resources to your allies so they make more units and defend theirselves without any other help
why did you put a defensive castle in your base at the begining? they didn't atack you in any moment
Wow what a pain the ass. My base was never attacked. But by about the 3rd village being cleared out, either the red or the blue. One or the other but never both ( not in my attempts ) gets hit hard and loses castle and MUST be rescued, eventually this happens to the other 1. I had to stop my advance on villages completely, it took a little bit but I brought 2-3 villagers to each ally base and build a castle ideally as close to their castle as possible AND a stable next to that, by now if you boomed like I did I had 20k-30k food and could get rid of villagers for extra soldier room. So in the ally bases I would garrison 5 min rat archers in each castle AND 2 elephants into the castle that gets hit by rams, this way when they hit hard the castles usually kill of units fast enough that you can safely ungarrison elephants to kill rams, if they get overun, garrison n ungarrison when it safe, after it clear, use villagers to heal castles, rebuild walls. While this is happening, your ally gets the chance to rebuild enough units to actually help hold off the attacks, in one of the bases I had enough room to build 2 castles plus ally castle, plus ally soldiers was enough to destroy attacks entirely, eventually it was self sustaining and could have held out indefinitely. I even considered attempting to wipe out each ming outpost just to see if it could be done buy decided to just safely finish the mission. P.s. you can garrison units into ally castle/towers, placing stable next to castle and clicking rally point onto castle, just like castle rally point onto itself will instantly garrison built units, this is helpful especially when the base is under attack n full of units.
*39:33** Age of Empires 2*
It pleases me to see the best players suffer the same issues I do with the exact same exasperated response too.
The relic cart in the malay base actually says "Unused 211" or something. Do yoy possibly know why is that?
Likely a bug. There used to be some other really funny examples of renamed campaign units/buildings that ended up with really funny, nonsensical names. iirc Nogai Khan used to be "Great Wall" or something 11
@@OrnLu_AoE some months ago, in my version of the game (Italian), magyar Huzsars used to be called "Ponte-C-crollato" which means "collapsed-C-bridge"
I figured out that one castle in every ally town is enough to defend them x)
Same; I cleared the patrols, escorted a villager and built a TC and a Castle in each town.
Did this mission get nurfed?? Because this mission was incredibly easy. If you leave a small group of knights/skirmishers with each Ally you can easily hold back the small attacks. Hell I even made 2 castles in each base just for reassurance. Made a bunch of walls too just to turtle up while my army of elephants and archers wrecked light blue/towers. They must’ve nurfed this cuz this too easy
Took me 5h on hard (first try) to wipe the whole map, blue is really packed in small bases full of trees, hard to penetrate with rams
I did this tactic you dont need castle at base you need to build 2 castles in alies bases 1 each close to alies castles and you garison few elephants to protect castles from enemy rams
Is it possible to beat Ming army, or at least 1 of the 2 their *main* bases? Are there any achievements in this particular mission?
I've tried that - I was able to take out the two Castles in the center of the map, as well as the north base.... then I ran out of gold 11. And no, there is no achievement for this scenario. The Le Loi achievement is in #5 (which I will do in that vid :P)
I actually managed to beat every enemy on moderate difficulty but it took like 5 in game hours. The key was to build a castle in each of the allied cities and garrison at least 10 archers in each keep. Then it was matter of time killing every opponent. the hardest base to take was the west one. Spent like 15k gold on units (having 4 relics really makes a difference in gold income).
I actually enjoy the Le Loi campaign that seems hated by everyone else lol. So yes it took 8 hrs in-game time with a lot of F3 pausing to micro the raids on both of your allies. I deliberately avoided the victory condition to finish off both main bases.
Maybe the variety of AoE gameplay styles is what made me enjoy the first Viet campaign so much. First you are a major underdog and need to build your own eco while rushing to build bases within your allies two cities. Eventually you get to a rhythm with the enemy rushes against the allied cities. I tribute allies resources and rebuild their walls and towers myself. The Red player build a lot of Cav. last time I gave him gold and food (a lot) and was able to defend himself partly while I destroyed the main base behind him. In the down time before the more threatening raids on the orange city I'd snipe and petard the small bases and castle. The pop limit too low, but clearly you weren't meant to become a dynamo. Castles and towers are one way to make up for it!
Wait this is easier map than the one I played versus, Chinese had 3x size castle middle of the map
tbh I was expecting a game loading, which is how I play this game.
Idk who voiced military units, but his accent is rare af...
Could you elaborate, plz?
Yes explain why I’m curious
He has an old urban southern accent, which can only be found in the refugee community in CA. Modern southern urban accent is sort of a mix between the male villager's voice and female villager's voice
@@khanhtran8772 Maybe what's rare now was commonplace 500 years ago? Just guessing, I know nothing about Vietnamese accent, tho I would love to :)
Anyway, thank you for your reply. Now I know something new about the world.
CA = Cambodia?
@@paulb7027 CA as in California. After the Vietnam War, the first wave of Viet refugees were mostly southerners from the former government, so they brought their accent with them. Most of them are in Orange County, California, so if you are in the US, you should come over and check it out. That's also my plan anyway
Vietnamise campaigh is hard even on standard expect 3rd scenario
Ah the Vietnamese campaign. The most unhistorical correct campaign in the game
Wdym?
There are also ridiculous stories about a Vietnamese counter part of the holy sword Excalibur 😂. TheVietnamese myths made me laugh for a moment, since it was almost identical
Le Loi fighting with the Nguyen and Trinh is super bizarre. The Trinh and Nguyen family only rise to prominence and have their own domain nearly 200 years later.
Are there other historical inaccuracies in this campaign?
This campaign... too easily compare to what really happened.
In the reality:
- Lack of food
- Lack of gold
- It is difficult to recruit soldiers.
- Your base is located right beside one of the two most powerful bases of Chinese in Vietnam.
= > That is the first campaign. ^ ^"
How do you feel about that Ornlu?
This is one of the hardest to you? meanwhile I'm stuck at the second Le Loi campaign...
as someone who uses these videos to help beat campaign on hard mode the best thing i have discovered is a comment about the F3 pause. while F3 paused you can give villagers/army orders and queue up units/techs and unpause again. this is cheap as heck but i couldnt do it without it and these videos. another thing i do is save and resign and return to map to see the whole map revealed, save often with "checkpoint" saves just in case i need to go back a save or two and redo my strategy and lastly try to keep enemy markets on the map when destroying them so i can trade if need be and just overwhelm the ai with gold units. i have low elo and barely beat campaign on bronze without these tricks.
probably the most frustrating first mission in any campaign
pathfinding lead to enemy base, with FULL of army, 😂
Young fool
it's "dân phu" which means farmers or common worker
I’m so noob to this old game can pass one mission in hard mode
The ENTIRE Le Loi campaign felt "unfun" to me. Like, washing dishes and doing the laundry felt more interesting and engaging.
And even when it was engaging, it was more hectic and stressful than challenging.
Not to mention vietnamese is kinda the worst civ to play as, ESPECIALLY in this campaign's scenarios that make the civ seem even worse than it really is!!!
This is the worst campaign hand down. The only remotely interesting mission is this one, the first one, but it's ruined by being a terrible grindfest.
Not to mention the whole "Rattan Archers beat Cho Ku Nu" thing...oh no they do not! Literally no better a hard (ranged) counter to Rattan Archers than these nasty little shits.
Yoooooo Le Loi was my relative
Ah, the Vietnamese. Arguably the WORST civ to play. As an archer civ they're vastly inferior to viturally every other civ. No eco bonus, a vastly inferior unique unit and unique tech, and the fact that nothing else really stands out in their tech tree, and you see why they're one of the least played civs.
Who here agrees?
Maybe the devs has Vietnam Syndrome so they nerf the Vietnamese so badly
@@duclai2766 they've been the same since they debuted.
@@frankseward7017 Well. Being Vietnamese it's a little disturd to see my civ is the worst civ in my favorite game
That and they're loud as hell
@@felixcroc And they speak in Sino-Vietnamese instead of Vietnamese
Compared to this mission, aoe de has more difficult missions, they would not allow you even take a breath!
Francisco 5, Alaric 5, Prithviraj 1 and 3 i think, freakin Tariq ibn grindass whole campaign.
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