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@@TunedRAMS if you mill the warped manifold flat again will it keep warping? Or would it stay flat and true the second round? I’m on my 3rd manifold replacement in 3 years. 2 on the passenger and one on the drivers side.
@@13riding If you mill a used, seasoned exhaust manifold it will not warp again and you won't have any more problems with it. Once an exhaust manifold has gone through a bunch of heat cycles it won't warp again.
@@BamaTidefan1967this is what I did after 6 bolts/studs broke on mine, of course 5 broke below the head, so that was a day of fun with the mig! But after having them planed (table belt sand at the machine shop), they been great and sealed up nicely.
My bet is that if dyno'd with shorties and stock, the shorties make more power, but sometimes the power band moves up in the rpm range where it's seldom used anyway, so stock probably better for all around street performance.
I had BBK shorties on my Ram, failed welds and cracks within 1,000 miles, total junk! Sounds like JBA are no better! Sucks you can't do the long tubes, even with legal cats? I threw out the BBK shorties and put ARH 1 7/8" long tubes with high flow cats and it made an UNBELIEVABLE difference mid range power and torque on my 392 build. It seriously feels like 50+ FT LBS of torque more down low, accelerating midly on the gas from a light is effortless now, before it was choked and worked hard! Hopefully you can find some 49 state legal way to do them? Best of luck!
LOL so 4 smaller holes (sharing one tube) and 1 bigger hole, is better than 4 bigger holes(4 individual tubes) and a slightly smaller collector hole? Someone needs to read more about scavenging... the only reason the shorty header would perform worse is that you havent changed your intake/intake manifold along with it. Oem exhaust is tuned to perform with oem intake 😅🤷♂️
Well your mouth is one hole. Try blowing as hard as you can with your mouth open. Then make a hole like you’re going to whistle. Backpressure. So yes a larger outlet lets the air out faster wether sharing one tube or not. But tq gains are received with Shorties, so the backpressure makes sense. I mean ultimately long tubes are your best route. But manifolds IMO are better than Shorties. I just wish they wouldn’t warp so easily.
@@TunedRAMS you didn't measure the inside of the manifold though... volume is much less at one end than the other. Having symmetrical size tubing for each cyl is always better, because of more volume. Air in, air out is power. Whether your butt dyno felt it or not isnt the point. 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Can't find anywhere that review DTH shortys on a 4th gen..... Got em sitting in my living room...they came with a flange adapter .... That means if I install myself I'd have to weld, which I can't... Any info at all will be appreciated. I'm on ya FB as well no Malo lol
@@TunedRAMSI was hoping straight bolt-up.. instructions say otherwise. Do you have an email I can send the instructions to you to look at if /when you have a min?
I ported the collector on the shorties to be the same as 2.5 inch pipe ID. Didn't like the headers so I ported and painted my manifold and reinstalled them. Ported manifolds are way better.
I ported a set of manifolds on my 5.7 too, worked well until they cracked 2 years later and started making a ticking noise. At first I thought it was just another manifold bolt that broke but it cracked right behind cylinder number 7. Put a set of ceramic coated long tube headers on there instead and picked up 19 extra hp on the dyno. Headers are the way to go.
@@jaymoe5.7 did you ceramic coat them? Don't know if that helps but I coated my manifolds inside and out. It was a pain but they look great. Might switch to headers myself anyway if these long tubes don't sell. Guess I got buyers remorse 😂
@@stumplimit I didn't cereamic coat them but I did take them to a local machine shop to have the gasket surfaces milled flat. They sealed great! I'm just assuming I took too much material off in the spot it cracked because I hogged them out pretty good. As far as the long tubes go though, they are a bit of a pain to install but the exhaust tone difference was well worth the 5 hours it took me to install them. Plus even though 19hp isn't exactly a big enough gain to feel much of a difference, the pedal does feel a bit more snappy and the engine seems to like the scavenging effect the headers add. In my opinion if you ever take the manifolds off and already have a set of long tubes they're well worth installing. I have remflex gaskets sealing them up and they havn't had any leaks in the 2 years and 30,000 miles they've been on the truck.
I have bbk shorties on my 16 ram. I bought the truck with them, and I will eventually be going back to manifolds. I am sick of dealing with exhaust leaks. I've had these fucking things on and off 3 times now, trying to get them to seal.
Why can’t you put on long tubes? Is it the sound or emissions? Is there a way to put on long tubes for the extra power and not have it crazy loud for my neighbors?
JakerRam94 tbh it’s actually louder while driving, performance wise my butt dyno tells me the manifolds are better,,, I have a high flow Y collector also
JakerRam94 yeah just weld them up if you want to keep them, it will void warranty but whatever. Or contact JBA and get a refund, then stick to the manifolds. I know a few people complaining about their bolts snapping, meaning the manifold is warped, you can get a brand new set form the dealer cheap!
With the larger ;primary on the headers, you lose the restriction and hard edge of exhaust trying to get into the manifold, so better flow. With the design of the tubing instead of a hard turn to the rear, you again get better flow. Yes, the output may be smaller on the headers, but since back pressure is also part of the equation for exhaust, maybe the folks who designed the header have tested it and found it needed a little more back pressure since you've removed some of the restriction? Just a thought. Also, maybe that install requires you change out the collector end to fit the smaller opening so it seals correctly. I understand your point of view, but I think you might be interpreting this particular situation incorrectly. Headers are always better flowing than exhaust manifolds. It's been a proven fact for years. You mentioned long pipes, but those give you midrange and high end power. If you're not doing a lot of mid and high rev driving, you aren't getting your money's worth. The shorty headers give you the low end up to mid range power. They're better for most driving conditions and still outperform manifolds at high revs.
I love you hit hit it on the head Rob! However, back pressure is a myth, ANY back pressure in a 4 stroke engine would be, at best, awful. The smaller collector outlet is to adjust for velocity of exhaust due to the increased flow. The back pressure idea has been mislabeled for generations but aside from the phrase you are 100% correct! Also, these Hemis actually do better down low with a LARGER runner, a bit counter intuitive to majority of the automotive world.
@@TunedRAMS Haha I knew it. Are long tubes legal? Just wanna make sure I pass inspection. Any recommendations for shorty headers that actually give hp and torque gains? AFE Twisted Steel 1 5/8” shorty headers caught my eye.
@@TunedRAMS Ok thanks. JBA 1 5/8” shorty’s with silver ceramic coating look decent. I’d be happy with a 20 hp gain from the headers. I already have Borla S-Type cat-back.
Yeah the manifolds start warping and pop the bolts. Headers won’t do that. But these JBA Shorties had bad welds on them and leaked at the runner flange. Long tubes are the best route for HP and reliability IMO. There are a couple companies that make better Shorty headers, stay away from BBK
There is no way that manifold flows the same or better then the shorty header ....common sense ! those manifolds are pancakes . Out of the head straight into a wall , just because the outlet is maybe quarter inch smaller means nothing !!!
Don't listen to this crap shorties are better That's why they are called performance headers No disrespect dude but you really need to do your studying before you make videos like this You add 15 more horsepower with shorty headers also it burns more fuel before it hits the catalytic converter than the regular stock manifolds Meaning you prolong the life of your Cadillac converter as well That's just a pro to the situation I'm a little shocked at this guy's video knowing that he has a shop and everything he should know all this
And no disrespect sorry if I came off rude I was just shocked by the video Shorty headers are better than regular headers Seriously do the study on them
@@khaosol one of the BBK gaskets was leaking almost immediately after install. I went back for a retorque and it was already too late. The tough part is that I brought the shop better gaskets to use for the install but they said the heat shield on the gaskets prevented them from installing the better gaskets. I have been putting off getting new gaskets installed because its going to cost the same as the full install. Sucks!
Thats why most of Hemi guys go with Hooker Blackhearts. Shorties on a Hemi is pointless. Now, for all of the 4.7 SOHC Magnum guys like myself we look to anyone but JBA. Again, some have better luck than others but most get Gibsons... least something thats Ceraminc coated or SS, with little to no Chineseium.
@@TunedRAMS I just bought Flotech 1 3/4 ". I'm interested to see if I get anymore out of them. I also bought the bolts with the locks to try and prevent the leaks. I will let you know if I see a difference.
If anybody decides to get shorty headers don't get the chrome get the ceramic The chrome are okay but they will not be chrome within a year it'll turn a bluish color because of the heat Also once they run out of stock on Chrome they will no longer be available for sale Ceramic is the way to go You're talking a hundred bucks more it's worth it if you're going to spend $500 on headers make sure you get the right kind.... Shorty's all the way
What do think about the srt manifold exhaust. I have a 2014 ram sport 1500 5.7 4x4 Mopar said it will fit. (Part#77072462AB) what is your thoughts on this. Thanks
I thought people were switching manifolds because the stock manifold warped and snap bolts causing leaks.
They do warp and break bolts
@@TunedRAMS if you mill the warped manifold flat again will it keep warping? Or would it stay flat and true the second round? I’m on my 3rd manifold replacement in 3 years. 2 on the passenger and one on the drivers side.
@@13riding If you mill a used, seasoned exhaust manifold it will not warp again and you won't have any more problems with it. Once an exhaust manifold has gone through a bunch of heat cycles it won't warp again.
@@BamaTidefan1967this is what I did after 6 bolts/studs broke on mine, of course 5 broke below the head, so that was a day of fun with the mig! But after having them planed (table belt sand at the machine shop), they been great and sealed up nicely.
Glad it worked out for you. Replacing those broken bolts ain't no joke.@@1windozesuk
My bet is that if dyno'd with shorties and stock, the shorties make more power, but sometimes the power band moves up in the rpm range where it's seldom used anyway, so stock probably better for all around street performance.
I had BBK shorties on my Ram, failed welds and cracks within 1,000 miles, total junk! Sounds like JBA are no better! Sucks you can't do the long tubes, even with legal cats? I threw out the BBK shorties and put ARH 1 7/8" long tubes with high flow cats and it made an UNBELIEVABLE difference mid range power and torque on my 392 build. It seriously feels like 50+ FT LBS of torque more down low, accelerating midly on the gas from a light is effortless now, before it was choked and worked hard! Hopefully you can find some 49 state legal way to do them? Best of luck!
Great video! Thanks for all the info.
Separated flow for each chamber on a header & NO warping is what gives better power gains. Shitty gaskets are why headers leak!
In JBA’s case crappy welds!
I used aFe shorties before I went to long tubes. 2016 Ram 1500. Used about a year with Mopar gaskets. Zero issues.
Why'd you go to long tunes?
@@redram3457 longtube headers will outperform shorties all day, so if he had the money and time why not
Did you notice a difference in acceleration vs stock manifolds? Just bought some
Curious to see a more expensive header then the jba’s such as AFE or Kooks
YOU GOT MY POINT. I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN THAT TO A FRIEND AND HE DONT BELEIVE ME IM GONNA SEND HIM THIS VIDEO A.S.A.P . THANKS
LOL so 4 smaller holes (sharing one tube) and 1 bigger hole, is better than 4 bigger holes(4 individual tubes) and a slightly smaller collector hole? Someone needs to read more about scavenging... the only reason the shorty header would perform worse is that you havent changed your intake/intake manifold along with it. Oem exhaust is tuned to perform with oem intake 😅🤷♂️
Well your mouth is one hole. Try blowing as hard as you can with your mouth open. Then make a hole like you’re going to whistle. Backpressure. So yes a larger outlet lets the air out faster wether sharing one tube or not.
But tq gains are received with Shorties, so the backpressure makes sense. I mean ultimately long tubes are your best route. But manifolds IMO are better than Shorties. I just wish they wouldn’t warp so easily.
@@TunedRAMS you didn't measure the inside of the manifold though... volume is much less at one end than the other. Having symmetrical size tubing for each cyl is always better, because of more volume. Air in, air out is power. Whether your butt dyno felt it or not isnt the point. 🤷♂️🤷♂️
But you dont get the scavenging effect out of the manifolds.
Can't find anywhere that review DTH shortys on a 4th gen..... Got em sitting in my living room...they came with a flange adapter .... That means if I install myself I'd have to weld, which I can't... Any info at all will be appreciated. I'm on ya FB as well no Malo lol
scott serna they should bolt up to your stock pipes no? What are you asking exactly
@@TunedRAMSI was hoping straight bolt-up.. instructions say otherwise. Do you have an email I can send the instructions to you to look at if /when you have a min?
scott serna message me on FB or Insta
I ported the collector on the shorties to be the same as 2.5 inch pipe ID. Didn't like the headers so I ported and painted my manifold and reinstalled them. Ported manifolds are way better.
I ported a set of manifolds on my 5.7 too, worked well until they cracked 2 years later and started making a ticking noise. At first I thought it was just another manifold bolt that broke but it cracked right behind cylinder number 7. Put a set of ceramic coated long tube headers on there instead and picked up 19 extra hp on the dyno. Headers are the way to go.
@@jaymoe5.7 did you ceramic coat them? Don't know if that helps but I coated my manifolds inside and out. It was a pain but they look great. Might switch to headers myself anyway if these long tubes don't sell. Guess I got buyers remorse 😂
@@stumplimit I didn't cereamic coat them but I did take them to a local machine shop to have the gasket surfaces milled flat. They sealed great! I'm just assuming I took too much material off in the spot it cracked because I hogged them out pretty good. As far as the long tubes go though, they are a bit of a pain to install but the exhaust tone difference was well worth the 5 hours it took me to install them. Plus even though 19hp isn't exactly a big enough gain to feel much of a difference, the pedal does feel a bit more snappy and the engine seems to like the scavenging effect the headers add. In my opinion if you ever take the manifolds off and already have a set of long tubes they're well worth installing. I have remflex gaskets sealing them up and they havn't had any leaks in the 2 years and 30,000 miles they've been on the truck.
Glad I didn't waste my money. Thank you.
I have bbk shorties on my 16 ram. I bought the truck with them, and I will eventually be going back to manifolds. I am sick of dealing with exhaust leaks. I've had these fucking things on and off 3 times now, trying to get them to seal.
Yup, JBA’s we’re leaking at the welds for me
U make great videos bruh on good subjects and great content...
visionary dell618 thank you brother!
@@TunedRAMS np...question if I cam my cam my ram do I have to do anything else to it certainly? I just want a little more power???
visionary dell618 cam, springs, pushrods, lifters, limiter, gaskets, you good
@@TunedRAMS ok bet thanks man appreciate it....keep the videos coming
I hate to hate but the manifolds are restricted at the 8 port windows.
If you dont mill that manifold your gonna get more broken bolts and leaks....
Broken bolts are due to overheating of the manifold which causes warpage. That is a problem yes
His other video said to put the shorties on. lol
I was all about them until my third set had weld pin holes again, all they did was leak.
Why can’t you put on long tubes? Is it the sound or emissions? Is there a way to put on long tubes for the extra power and not have it crazy loud for my neighbors?
I have LT’s only loud if you have a loud muffler
Did you notice any difference between the shorties vs manifolds? Performance, sound etc
JakerRam94 tbh it’s actually louder while driving, performance wise my butt dyno tells me the manifolds are better,,, I have a high flow Y collector also
Thanks man for the info, much appreciated 👍 got the same headers but there’s a leak somewhere on the driver side that I’ll take care of in the spring
JakerRam94 yeah just weld them up if you want to keep them, it will void warranty but whatever. Or contact JBA and get a refund, then stick to the manifolds. I know a few people complaining about their bolts snapping, meaning the manifold is warped, you can get a brand new set form the dealer cheap!
@@TunedRAMS where did you get the high flow y-pipe? The stock why is smashed junk.
@@redram3457 on Amazon TOTALFLOW
With the larger ;primary on the headers, you lose the restriction and hard edge of exhaust trying to get into the manifold, so better flow. With the design of the tubing instead of a hard turn to the rear, you again get better flow. Yes, the output may be smaller on the headers, but since back pressure is also part of the equation for exhaust, maybe the folks who designed the header have tested it and found it needed a little more back pressure since you've removed some of the restriction? Just a thought. Also, maybe that install requires you change out the collector end to fit the smaller opening so it seals correctly. I understand your point of view, but I think you might be interpreting this particular situation incorrectly. Headers are always better flowing than exhaust manifolds. It's been a proven fact for years. You mentioned long pipes, but those give you midrange and high end power. If you're not doing a lot of mid and high rev driving, you aren't getting your money's worth. The shorty headers give you the low end up to mid range power. They're better for most driving conditions and still outperform manifolds at high revs.
Rob Hill long tunes are the way to go for performance. Manifolds are just as good if not better than Shorties, they scavenge the exhaust quickly
Thank you Rob your the only only one that made sense !
I love you hit hit it on the head Rob! However, back pressure is a myth, ANY back pressure in a 4 stroke engine would be, at best, awful. The smaller collector outlet is to adjust for velocity of exhaust due to the increased flow. The back pressure idea has been mislabeled for generations but aside from the phrase you are 100% correct! Also, these Hemis actually do better down low with a LARGER runner, a bit counter intuitive to majority of the automotive world.
factory 6.1 6.2 headers are the best
UH!
Great video. I’m looking for a good set of headers for my ‘21 Ram 1500 Hemi. Also , where are you guys from? You talk like me (Boston).
I’d go with ARH long tubes,,, yessir Boston kid 💪🏼😆
@@TunedRAMS Haha I knew it. Are long tubes legal? Just wanna make sure I pass inspection. Any recommendations for shorty headers that actually give hp and torque gains? AFE Twisted Steel 1 5/8” shorty headers caught my eye.
@@shadowdemon5730 I know JBA are CARB legal with EO#. There may be others. LT’s are not
@@shadowdemon5730 I’d go with AFE, the JBA’s leak often, I had two sets leak at welds
@@TunedRAMS Ok thanks. JBA 1 5/8” shorty’s with silver ceramic coating look decent. I’d be happy with a 20 hp gain from the headers. I already have Borla S-Type cat-back.
Manifold problem on the ram 1500 getting crooked and the bolts get snapped then it’s leaks right,is that headers same thing??
Yeah the manifolds start warping and pop the bolts. Headers won’t do that. But these JBA Shorties had bad welds on them and leaked at the runner flange. Long tubes are the best route for HP and reliability IMO. There are a couple companies that make better Shorty headers, stay away from BBK
@@TunedRAMS thank you I almost buy that heathers I thought it solves the problem
I'm dealing with the warped manifold with broken bolts with the loud tick at start up trying to figure out what the best route to go for replacements
I’m interested to know if I can sawp 5.7 headers for 6.4 headers on my 2019 Ram 1500 Classic?
I think they’re a little different, you may have to cut some of the fire wall or dent in a tube
@@TunedRAMS but are they a direct bolt on?
What about bbk shorties
Just port match the Manifolds and have them ceramic coated.
Yea that’s a waste of money
Put batteries in the damn calipers.
The outlet can be smaller due to each exhaust port being tuned length. 🤦♂️
There is no way that manifold flows the same or better then the shorty header ....common sense ! those manifolds are pancakes . Out of the head straight into a wall , just because the outlet is maybe quarter inch smaller means nothing !!!
Dude air shoots STRAIGHT!!!!!! Lmfao
@@TunedRAMS yes then hits the wall of the manifold , unlike the header where there is no wall , just look @ the product!!!!!!!!!! Lmfao
Don't listen to this crap shorties are better That's why they are called performance headers
No disrespect dude but you really need to do your studying before you make videos like this
You add 15 more horsepower with shorty headers also it burns more fuel before it hits the catalytic converter than the regular stock manifolds
Meaning you prolong the life of your Cadillac converter as well That's just a pro to the situation
I'm a little shocked at this guy's video knowing that he has a shop and everything he should know all this
BD Manifolds 💪🏽🙌🏾
And no disrespect sorry if I came off rude I was just shocked by the video
Shorty headers are better than regular headers
Seriously do the study on them
The flow is better but scavenging the exhaust not so much
Good information! Thanks
The issue of the outlet size must have been "fixed" recently. I just received a set yesterday and they measure 2.48".... so, pretty much 2 1/2".
No kiddin, figures
Bbk shorties are tuned for the what you got or not and so what you got to not worth a shit need to get some BBK before you do any comparisons
I’ve seen more BBK fail, crack and separate. I’d stay away
What's a millameta?
It’s before a centimeeta, and a meeta bigga then a yahd 💪🏼😆
@@TunedRAMS gotcha!! Thanks!😅
Just picked up BBK headers in 2023 (Titanium coated) and measured. The ones I received are also 60MM, same as the manifold.
How are the shorties working out for you?
@@khaosol one of the BBK gaskets was leaking almost immediately after install. I went back for a retorque and it was already too late. The tough part is that I brought the shop better gaskets to use for the install but they said the heat shield on the gaskets prevented them from installing the better gaskets. I have been putting off getting new gaskets installed because its going to cost the same as the full install. Sucks!
Thats why most of Hemi guys go with Hooker Blackhearts. Shorties on a Hemi is pointless. Now, for all of the 4.7 SOHC Magnum guys like myself we look to anyone but JBA. Again, some have better luck than others but most get Gibsons... least something thats Ceraminc coated or SS, with little to no Chineseium.
What size are the primary tubes. 1 5/8 or 1 3/4?
1 5/8” I think
@@TunedRAMS I just bought Flotech 1 3/4 ". I'm interested to see if I get anymore out of them. I also bought the bolts with the locks to try and prevent the leaks. I will let you know if I see a difference.
If anybody decides to get shorty headers don't get the chrome get the ceramic The chrome are okay but they will not be chrome within a year it'll turn a bluish color because of the heat
Also once they run out of stock on Chrome they will no longer be available for sale
Ceramic is the way to go You're talking a hundred bucks more it's worth it if you're going to spend $500 on headers make sure you get the right kind.... Shorty's all the way
What’s the right kind?
What do think about the srt manifold exhaust. I have a 2014 ram sport 1500 5.7 4x4 Mopar said it will fit. (Part#77072462AB) what is
your thoughts on this. Thanks
I heard overall they’re good but I do t think they fit in the RAMS due to the fire wall on passenger side.