Essex Boys, ICF, Rise of the Foot Soldier & West Ham: Carlton Leach
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- The true ‘Rise of the Footsoldier’ is a story far more intense and shocking than the film franchise about Carlton Leach’s life. From his involvement in the notorious Inter City Firm, to his days building a name for himself in the criminal underworld, Carlton’s life has been dominated by extreme violence, hard drugs, and the infamous murders of his friends: the so-called ‘Essex Boys’. Carlton still has new insight into the truth behind the brutal crimes, paranoia, and wanting to honour his friends’ name nearly 30 years on.
You can get hold of Carlton's Book on Amazon or find more info at CartlonLeach.com.
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Mr Woodall is a cracking interviewer. He respects his guests but also shows none of the fear or excessive deference that too many weak interviewers do. He’s relatable and down to earth but doesn’t let the interview wander off into the long grass, keeps it to the point. He also doesn’t have a big ego, knows not to make it all about himself, that allows him to skilfully draw great stuff out of his guests. This channel deserves to grow and grow.
Cheers for your comment Raddimus and I’m glad you enjoyed this episode with Carlton.
We are fairly new to TH-cam and excited to see where this channel can go!
Good man 👍🏼👍🏼
Agreed man to fackin right raddimus
@@DodgeWoodall This was my introduction to your good self and I really enjoyed your style and have Subscribed.
From a Millwall fan, in his 7th decade of attending The Den, and been to 1,770 matches and visited 84 Away Grounds. and never lifted a finger in my life either at Football or life, generally from The Elephant and Castle, originally.
Good Luck M8...
Nobody was grassing on anybody!! No one was tipping off the old bill!! Police officer Ken tappendon was our nemesis and he's written his book, also there was a 400 police intelligence unit known as the southern intelligence unit travelling around the country & infiltrating the travellers festival network & raves , I was part of spiral tribe, forward the revolution 🙂
@@Isleofskye Fair Play M8!
Looking forward to rise of the foot solider 15 pat tate’s nan’s story
Do you not like the films
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@@captainkickoff3565 yh the first 2 cause they were based off truth the rest aren’t
Lol
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3 bullying idiots got whacked for being 3 bullying idiots . Carlton has made a career telling us all that in a roundabout way
@@thermosish nothing wrong with leach name son lol
He went round the roundabout a few times now 😂
@Cheezus Sliced 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
@Cheezus Sliced 🤣🤣💯! Belter that lad👍
Bang! This comment 😂
When Carlton related the story of how his father was the real hero for working so hard to provide for the family it reminded me of The Jam (Paul Weller) song 'Just Who is the Five O'clock Hero?' The man who goes out and puts the bread on the table for the love of his family as Carlton said is a hero in the real world. Respect and thank you for a valuable insight into a time that has flown by like a river.
Great to see Carlton. I was a co-founder of Genesis'88, and Carlton and Dave G were the best of that bunch. He was right in saying that other promoters were grassing us up every week.... I witnessed Carlton take his first pill, within half hour he was dancing with the crowd in the warehouse. Love him... ;)
Nice one Wayne 👍🏼👍🏼
i was there too what a night big j 😂
I was there too I loved it when Carlton ran around the club and then looked at Tony tucker smiled and said this is my rise of the footsoldier and then pat tate flew in with Craig rolfe on the jet powered Range Rover they all went crazy because the pizza they ordered didn’t have 4 fucking toppings
@@trueking1857What do you mean you don't do Cheese!!😂
Fuckin lies
In short 3 bullies mess with real villains and get dealt with
Truth.
Simple as that.
Yep.. I'm glad you summed up in a few words what some people are still asking questions about today.
3 words.....Canning town mob
@@Hookythehammer who's that - Mr H?
In short 3 villains mess with real chihuahuas..the end
Carlton nailed it when he talked about his Dad. I personally felt that and get what hes saying. Respect to all the hard working Dads out there.
Ive never sat and watched any of these podcasts on the internet for 90 minutes but, this was really interesting and the time flew by. Really enjoyed it.
This was a really good podcast , carried him self so well, no bollox just honesty
I work in aviation and spend a lot of time in hotels. These interviews really help pass the time. Brilliant work please keep going
Quality pod cast, quality interviewer and a quality bloke in Carlton. Carlton your grandkids will absolutely love ya 👍
Another cracking video,keep up the good work dodge. Slowly making my way through ur videos. Looking forward to the bisping interview 👍🏼
Seen a few podcasts with carlton but this is the best by far .carlton can be very vague and go off the track quite a bit but you brought him back and got him to elaborate on his stories .Top interview
Thanks Max 👍🏼👍🏼
He's brain-dead.
It’s because he didn’t know them
@@azzatargett1098 Eat crow
Agreed first timer here for this Podcast,and ill be back for some more for sure.Subbed n shared.
Another great podcast with great, in depth, clever conversation Dodge. 👏
It's nice to sit down after a loss and get the popcorn out and go over the reasons for why things can happen at times. You live and learn in the best possible taste.
Seriously, Dodge, this is one of the best channels on youtube. You're doing a tip-top quality job and I wish you all the best for now and the future. Thank you so much for the outstanding podcasts.
Nice one Rob and glad you are enjoying the channel 👍🏼👍🏼
He’s bang on with he’s podcast great work doge ❤
Cheers Chris 👌🏼
Dodge has the best channel on TH-cam it’s compulsive viewing
@@lifestyleschannel8508 Thanks mate 😊
Excellent interview, great questions being asked and answered in an honest and free flowing manner…….. best I’ve seen in a long time
Glad you enjoyed Pete 👍🏼👍🏼
This is superb well done Dodge and Carlton, a fantastic and intriguing watch.
There is something really fascinating about that era and scene. A time gone by. Sounds great, until it goes south, usually due to too many drugs. So interesting. He looks great at 64 by the way. Great podcast.
Great interview,honest and real. Good work 🤝
Dodge is by far the best Podcaster. He's going to blow up soon, he should be getting loads more views than this. Another belter, thank you so much for all of the content.
Kind words Ben 🙏
We’ve been on TH-cam properly now for 4 months and excited to keep bringing everyone more content in 2023 👍🏼👍🏼
Pull your toungue out FFS
Great interview yet again Dodge.
Carlton a bit of an enigma in most interviews but you really got the most out of any I've heard. You have a knack for asking the right questions at the right time & that's a gift mate. ⚒️
Much appreciated David ⚒
Just came across this channel and spot on 👌🏻!! Brilliant way he interviews, just like a chat down the pub and such a relaxed flow. Always good listening to carltons stories.
Thanks Kidger 👍🏼👍🏼
Great interview! I lived in London during 80's and 90's and would have crossed paths with this guy loads of times. They were heady times in London.
You just got a new subscriber. Great interview. No bull, let the man speak and got a great interview. Nice. Heres to the future! 🍻
Welcome on board Paul 👍🏼👍🏼
Brilliant interview
This was such an amazing interview. Well done and thank you. Have followed some of Carlton Leach’s life story for a while now. He is such an interesting, honest and refreshing person. Also, loved the way the interview was conducted. It felt like I was sat with a few blokes in a pub, listening to the stories of a seriously interesting person. Deffo looking forward to seeing what the channel does next.
Glad you enjoyed it Bryan and a load more to come in 2023 👍🏼👍🏼
Honest 🤣 back in the day he'd rob you for a couple of quid. Grubby little thug who only impresses the cowards who look up to him. Go worship a firefighter or someone of value to society.
Guys as a Glasgow Rangers fan we had the West Ham lads up for a friendly pre season, they were in all the Rangers pubs with mixed fans....Top top guys n gals....welcome anytime.
Brilliant interview. The way Carlton speaks freely with out blowing his own trumpet is so refreshing.
*Carlton
What trumpet exactly?
@2BUNTV yeah I know... Predictive texts on my phone kicked in
Great podcast and a genuine bloke.
Remember him and Icf coming up to Leicester in 86 proper game they were.
Blimey, that last few minutes nearly set me off. Even the hardest man in the world is floored when you ask him about his kids. What a great conversation, yet again Dodge, fascinating and at times tough ground to walk. Really great podcast, thank you.
Yeah it was emotional Rich and glad you enjoyed 👍🏼👍🏼
Hardest man in the world? Good lord.
@@jamiestewart48 You misunderstand, I wasn't saying he was the hardest man in the world, I was suggesting EVEN the hardest man in the world is floored when you would bring up his kids. It's why I used the word "even". It's called language, you should check it out.
Hardest man in the world???? You sure
@@richh9241 two people here thinking you mean Carlton is THE absolute hardest man in the world. I knew exactly what you meant in that sentence mate. But to be clearer for others who misread it you perhaps should've said "even the hardest men in the world are...."
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Not being pedantic, just helping out for the others who don't get your words like I do.
What a nice down to earth bloke, I feel the same about my dad, he done all the overtime he could to give me a better life, he also had dementia, but Carlton what a humble man you are
The happiest part for me was carlton's sister beating cancer as I buried my dad 3 weeks ago to it evil wicked disease....so happy for the chap ..and great upload.also brings back bloody great memories 💯💯💯💯
Agreed! 💯 Sorry for your loss. RIP 🙏🏾
@davinche14 my dads at peace my friend....thats all what matters but God do I miss him ...my dad my hero could not ask for a better father ...thank u m8 all my best to the best 💯💯
How are these figures so low. These podcasts are off the scale. Dodge your ability to ask the right questions and listen and let your guests talk….amazing!
He's good, he has loyal subscribers like yourself, he'll blow up soon enough!
Nice one Michael 👌🏼
We are 4 months into focusing our energy into TH-cam and really enjoying the journey so far.
Welcome on board 🙏👍🏼
Top calibre of guest. Love watching these early in the morning at work,
Keep up the excellent work Dodge
Nice one Simon, glad you enjoyed it!
Cheers Simon and glad you enjoyed Carlton’s story 😊
Do you know something Carlton Leech has to be one of the most down to earth straight to the point hard men from that era in the UK Nuff Respect to ya man... Im a Spurs fan, myself not forgetting old Mansfield Town MSE & YIDS 4 life.
Fantastic interview. Massive respect to you both.
Watching from Glasgow 🏴, Carlton is a top bloke, very down to earth and honest given his background. Always enjoy his interviews. Brilliant episode dodge 👏👏
Good man Steve and glad you enjoyed 👌🏼
@@DodgeWoodall class as always mate love this channel keep up the great work
@@stevendodd1987 too many times directly, I had a moody blues cassette and a copy of Arthur 2 On The Rocks with Dudley Moor. Never ask Mark about it ?
Watched all the Carlton interviews and this is the most in depth one yet.
Quality interviewer! 👏
Thankyou 🙏
Great stuff! Very moving. Thanks to you and Carlton for this interview!
From one West Ham fan to two others
Great interview the best I’ve seen with Carlton ⚒️⚒️
3 bullies, who got done... they caused so much trouble in Essex that it was bound to happen....
Just discovered your channel Dodge and I'm absolutely addicted listen to these at work every day. Absolutely superb work told all my mates about you keep up the great work. This interview is one of my favs so far no bullshit and the questions asked are bang on, Carlton also very honest 👏👏
Nice one Kev and glad you are enjoying 🙏⚒
Quality podcast this!! Love the story of the Essex boys! 10/10 on the questions from the interviewer too!
Thanks Kurt and welcome on board 👍🏼👍🏼
Kudos to Carlton for giving his dad respect 🙏
Great interview dodge very insightful,had everything for me,im a midlander my great aunt was married to a canning town hammer i loved him to bits he had some wonderful stories so i can relate to a lot of this
I love the honestly look of both host and guest.
Top work
Absolutely brilliant podcast Dodge, you're the best youtube channel, hands down!
Appreciate that John 👍🏼👍🏼
Great interview. Pissed meself when Carlton described taking the E and getting stuck to the floor and holding hands to get across the dance floor. Like finding god or something earlier describing how he walks into a rave and sees everyone hugging and saying they loved each other.
Such a great character.
It's a shame that after watching ROTF 1-4 that he was stitched up with 3 and 4.
Now subscribed to the channel 👍
For me no disrpect its my life my older brother who left me to fight for his team Partick thistle am here now don't fuck we me duck head I love you all but my love beets you always xxxx
So interesting an honest interview
Colourful person.
This is Excellent Dodge!!can relate so much too the scene back in the early nineties Carlton mentions.
Carlton is so genuine.. Respect too you both.THANKYOU.C'mon U IRNZ!!!!
Glad you enjoyed it NH 👍🏼👍🏼
Great questions and knowledge to the guest. Well done brilliant episode
Cheers Drill 👍🏼👍🏼
Top interview once again 👌🏻big fan. Takes me back to the rave days 🤩🥳
Wow this story was amazing! I was 11 when I first watched rise of the footsoldier and I’m 26 now.
The movie it’s self is what got me wanting to work in security BUT security in this day and age is not what it is made out to be!
Fantastic podcast and what a guy!
Followed Charlton and watched podcast and interview for years, story never gets old or changes, top lad
Charlton Athletic ???
What an amazing interview totally fascinating Carlton what a legend
Great to listen to two no bullshit honest men.really enjoyed the interview.❤
Thank you so much Dodge for another top quality pod cast, fantastic interview and insight into Carlton life made even better coming from the top man himself. cheers keep them rolling my friend.
Glad you a enjoying the channel Tim and lots more to come in 2023 😊
Brilliant podcast. Crazy thing about Pat & Tony’s relationship, they only knew each other for two years and Pat spent 18 months of that locked up (approximately) Pat was collateral damage, not the cause.
Didn’t Tucker buy a house and a Porsche with some gangsters cash and paid the price
@@paulkemp6314supposedly according to another witness! Apparently the hit was for Tony because he didn't pay back 400 grand. Some robbery went down or something. Tony was supposed to launder the money through some clubs but the guy's who did the robbery went to jail and when they got out after a few year's the money was never seen again. (Apparently) from another witness. Who according to him also drove the hitman!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂, cockneys are proper real life bellends, still going on about 3 bouncer bullies who stood on doors taking tackle off kids
Why did they end Craig and Tony with the 1st head shots but only wound pat with 1st couple of shot then finish him with 2 head shots, they obviously wanted him to suffer more and to have sum last words with him
@@smokedog2185 oh my God, ladies and gentlemen we have a real live one here, Mr smokedog, do you lose sleep over it or are you going on who wants to be a millionaire and your thinking that might be one of the questions, can you please tell us what difference it makes, don't forget you've still got your 50/50 and your phone Carlton leach
Great Interview lads!! All the very best to Mr Leach. so good at telling it as it was.
Smashing your content mate, moved out of UK 6 years ago and miss the real English talk. You interview people great mate. GJ (will recommend to my mates)
Good man Matt 👍🏼👍🏼
Top podcast Dodge, 'Enjoyed The Hammers love in ', 😃, Loved Carltons honesty and your intelligent questioning . I hope Carlton gets the peace he wants in life .
Good man Gordon and welcome on board 👍🏼👍🏼
Great interview. I actually trained Carlton for a couple months a few years ago, a nice guy.
Gear back then to be honest was very good, no underground rubbish.
Trained him in what?
@Travis used to cone into a small studio, some lifting that's all.
@@aaronbeazley7240 Ah ok cool
Don't usually listen to this stuff, but wow what a awesome watch and listen; listening to the rave day's, I'm 53 and was there, and it was absolutely mental,just awesome times 😊
Absolutely TOP interview.
Dodge you’re killing it mate. You’re conversational skill are second to none.
Good man Micky and nice one for the message 👍🏼👍🏼
Jonathan Ross was better
Ricky played him perfectly, first film was brilliant. Top interview
Totally agree, 1st film was brilliant and he was played very well by Ricci Harnett.
Yea, first film was class but they picked the bones from it with the prequels.
Great interview. Carlton is a top bloke
I’ve grown up in Forest Gate my whole life so it’s so interesting to hearing tales of it back in the day. Find all of this very interesting.
Just finished watching this and I thoroughly enjoyed it.
I have always been aware of Carlton Leach from the hooligan documentary in the 80s about the ICF, I hope he finds peace and is allowed to be the grandad he wants to be.
All the best Carlton going forward, can't wait for another riveting podcast.👍🏾
Mark was involved in Arthur movies, especially Arthur 2 On The Rocks, Dudley Moore was afraid
Glad you enjoyed it 👍🏼👍🏼
Nice to hear him mention the Zulu’s. I’ve not heard about them in years, a friend of mine was with them as a youngster. He’s so right about the little club firms. I’ve known a few and much respect. Cass was an idol of mine as a kid. 🥰
CASS IS MASSIVE...GREAT MAN...IM FROM A PLACE CALLED CASTLEFORD..IM A LEEDS SUPPORTER BUT LOVE WEST HAM AMMAZING TEAM N CREW....WERE ALL UK ERE ..UNLESS WERE BATTLING WERE GREAT FRIENDS...TOP MAN ....
Love your interviews dodge I'm new so I have tons to watch yet 😂😂😂
What a great interview, you can tell Carlton was almost relived to get all this off his chest and get his thoughts out there for all to hear, I’ve watched loads on the lads murders and I’ve always thought they got killed in the morning and I generally think that is what he believes too, does this help find out who pulled the trigger also from how he talks I think he has a idea who killed them but did they find the man that killed his friend
jordan the rape. is jordan that welsh one calling himself kivala
another fantastic podcast from podcast powerhouse dodge woodall.... carlton leach top level all the way and what a great 1hr,32min welcomed an fascinating look into the life story of the oringinal west ham terrace legend great podcast enjoyed ever minute of this podcast
Nice one Ace 👍🏼👍🏼
Brilliant pod cast !! Thanks, brings back so many memory's !! 👍👍👍
#1 podcaster! Fkin banging vid once again, congrats on the upcoming 100k subs dodge!
Much appreciated Wez 👍🏼👍🏼
The beauty of this series for me is that 20 or so years ago, I read a lot of these lads books. I’m not a reader, but loved the Firms, Hard Men and ‘celebrity gangsters’ books.
Now 20yrs on, I get to relive those times but hearing it from the horses mouth.
And Dodge deserves a TV slot, he’s that good an interviewer IMO.
Kind words Chris 👍🏼👍🏼
Dodge your videos are fantastic mate it really shows how much effort you put into these interviews, quality Dodge quality as always! I can see you blowing up I can't believe you haven't already because honestly your videos are good enough to charge people!! Keep them coming my friend and when you make it big please don't forget about me.. I'd like a new car and a holiday lol!!! Half joking!!!!
Thanks Simon and yeah we put a lot of time in creating quality trailer videos and high production for our listeners.
Good man 👍🏼👍🏼
great interview! coud listen to carlton talk for hours
Great interview Dodge, easily the best Carlton leach interview I’ve watched, keep up the great work 👏
Much appreciated 👍🏼👍🏼
Good podcast... Carlton's a top man..great to hear about the old Genesis days...House History...Good work m8
Glad you enjoyed it Nick 😊
Golden ,just GOLDEN.
Just started watching two weeks back…….got the “Rona” so couldn’t look at the screen unfortunately.
But Atwood aside it’s all 10/10 .Perfectly executed,seemingly not edited,straight off the dome.
I salute you Mr Woodal
Massive respect to Mr Leach
Keep it rolin.😊🫡👏👏
Kind words Shrooz ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
mild flu then ? its always been about since the year dot. man up ffs 🎀🎀
I was planning on skipping through this, but I found myself enjoying listening because I could relate to allot of it.
Loved this.moved himself in his final words about loving his kids.Hes a good man.
Loved the Genesis raves , funny not everyone remembers em , only the ones that were there at the beginning, and like you Carlton, my first E ,changed my life, great times for the ones that were there 🥳🥳
Yea we were the lucky ones John! Good times pal.
Great interview that.
Great channel woods.definitely one of the best on YT 👊👍
Good man Matt 👍🏼👍🏼
I've just found my new favourite podcast
Welcome on board 👍🏼👍🏼
When Carlton says he knows who, and how they ended up down that lane, but he don't know who pulled the trigger. It makes me think that Mickey steel did have something to do with it (the set up) but Whomes was innocent, because I have seen Carlton say in a recent interview with John Whomes that he thinks Jack was totally innocent, but wasn't so sure of steeles innocence. It makes me think Steele may have lured them to the lane, yet someone other than Jack Whomes or mikey steele pulled the trigger.
Funny that as jack is the only one out the two who admits being in rettendon that night
@@BobsYirUncle mick was there too, the call Nicholls told the bent cop about Sara calling pat proves micky was there in the jeep, 4 mins later there all dead no more phone contact between all 6 after 7pm apart from one from jack to Nicholls at 7pm after been in touch Al day, Nicholls couldn't make it all up but was a willing part of a triple murder facing life he's put mick and Jack in to get off, rolfe wasn't meant to be there, he told his wife they were meeting micky the pilot,tucker or tate told no one,dibleys lead from day one,once the bent cop was arrested Nicholls was the only man admitting everthing to him that's were it all went wrong for nicholls, went in on a bars of dope charge, ended up on a triple murder assassination, the style of murder proves they were someone personal who hated them, only Ms could have got them to the lane unarmed and leave the door open and all were due back for 7pm so nothing was getting dropped that night, they were shown the field were the tax was meant to happen. Nicholls portrayed as a drunk liar was higher up the chain than ttr, never worked but had a jag, Land rovers and motorbikes sain he sold a key or 2, he will have sold much much more, al the jasper stuff is lies why would they sit from 7pm til midnight in the cold down there to do a coke deal?? Plus jasper said he seen a sawn off and a handgun neither were used.
And the police says it was 7 at night but he just says it was the morning
In the american mafia movies you see its always someone really close to the intended target that has to pull the trigger. It definitely had to be someone really close to them, take your pick really, they probs had a lot of close friends they trusted, it could of been craigs close friend, tuckers close friend, or tates close friend.
@@2strokemxclassics Heard some where that Nipper Ellis dad was close pals with a police officer, AND HIS DAD WAS CONNECTED too, maybe they agreed with Mick steel to take them out, after the threats that they was going do serious harm to his family, and Nipper dad and pal was there waiting with only mick steel knowing and that darren nicoles heard and see some bits of the shooting? just a theory
Had the pleasure of meeting carlton not long ago absolute gentleman
say sothing abut this scums that was shot you gonna find out how gentleman he is !!!! like the one get what they got it !!!
Sorry to hear that
Brilliant podcast well done guys
Absolutely Top notch podcast. Quality!
Really enjoyed this one 👌🏼👍🏻 I don’t think I have heard a so called Face not tell silly make believe story’s!
This was my introduction to your good self and I really enjoyed your style and have Subscribed.
From a Millwall fan, in his 7th decade of attending The Den, and been to 1,770 matches and visited 84 Away Grounds. and never lifted a finger in my life either at Football or life, generally from The Elephant and Castle, originally.
Good Luck M8...
Good man and I hope you enjoy the channel ⚒👍🏼
Amazing mate. 1,770 matches is brilliant 👏
@@chrisbee487 Thanks, Benny.
First game Millwall 5 Hull City 1 on 3td September 1962 and it's been downhill ever since. lol Over those 60 years,it works out at 30 games per year with far fewer in the All Seater Stadium over the last 12 years though I have been 5 times recently.I used to love standing and changing at half time and it has been exactly 30 years since our move and I miss the old place every day like the fabulous Upton Park is missed.
@Isleofskye that's brilliant mate. Much respect. My dad was a 70s 80s and 90s Stretford ender. He first took me to old Trafford in 92 against torpedo Moscow 0-0 draw. I was 7. I was there when Steve Bruce scored 2 injury time goals against Sheffield Wednesday. I loved Upton Park. I went twice and once to the Olympic stadium. Think I've been to 30 different away grounds. Not been since 017 though. I miss it.
Isleofskye your everywhere mate, formerly RAVEN AK47 Before i was banned for a BLM remark 😉⚒
Well done Carlton 💪🏼❤️ this man is a gentleman
You can tell his has manners and real respect, because on the occasional time he swears, he apologises. He must have been brought up well, and although is a hard man who liked a row. I am sure he was never a bully, and never picked a fight with someone weaker who wasn't also up for a fight.
Pleasure meeting Carlton in 2008 when he came to Peterborough to promote the first ROTFS came in my shop with Dave Courtney his wife and sorted him some Garms out then was kindly invited to Radius Lounge to see an evening with him ..absolute Gent
Carlton my dad had bad dementia he was my best freind and ill never get over it love your podcasts be good Charlton regards david hunt
I like the point he makes about the superficiality of the title 'essex boys'. From an ebook I listened to about them, they called themselves 'the firm' and yes there was lots of them. A lot were just bouncers primarily. But many in and around the three infamous lot that have been killed in the criminal world. The circumstances and the way the three blokes were lured in a dark lane, like an Agatha Christie (who done it), made the case interesting. Otherwise it would be buried with many other criminal hits. Perhaps the 'boyband' were a different bunch known as the David Essex boys (sic) haha.
Brilliant Interview....Best of luck for future Carlton take care
Thank you again dodge for another great podcast with a very special guest thank you Carlton for your insight to your life wishing you both very happy successful future keep the podcasts coming 👍💯❤️🙏🙏👏👏👏