I am close to 70. Two years ago i spent several months in India. Every day i took my life in my hands weaving my scooter around dogs, cows and manic drivers to do my shopping. It was exhilarating. Down with safetyism! Down with scientism! Long live risk! Long live Frank Furedi!
Good on you, Philip! Yes if today’s culture changers could spend some time in a less safety minded society, they too might get a sense of the exhilaration you felt. We might all have to emigrate to a less “safe” (read stultifying) place to get back our sense of joy, enthusiasm and looking forward to each new day. 😊👍
@@sandraelder1101 Thank you Sandra! I am now one year into a new life in Sri Lanka. New life, new home, new job, new friends, new experiences… new scooter. ‘Carpe diem’ indeed😊
I feel lucky to have bumped into this channel. Apart from John being a very likeable person, he touches on subjects that matter and somehow represents my beliefs and morals. It's a bit like having found an island of humanity and reason in a stormy ocean. God bless.
I loved this.. I used to think that my difficult, much neglected childhood was my burden, now I realize that I learned to much about survival and resilience. Sharing this with many!
John Anderson is someone that was just suggested by the TH-cam algorithm years ago to me and I didn’t think much at the time, just that I liked what this man had to say and that he seemed balanced and correct most usually. Today? He is one ☝️ of my fav content creators period…
Like a breath of fresh air to hear that the future is going to be played out in the classrooms where we need to teach independence instead of dependence. 👏👏👏👏👏
Hey John just wanted to thank you for these wonderful podcasts. And as a fellow Australian all the good things John Howard and yourself did for our country. I did not appreciate it so much at the time but certainly do now.
Easily the most insightful and interesting discourse I've heard for ages. It's a crying shame that the people who really need to listen to these sorts of conversations are being told that old white men have nothing relevant to say. Please keep on plugging away Mr Anderson, some of us at least are listening.
Thank you both for sharing your "Wisdom of the ages" !!💖💝 I rely upon it as I age further so that I might transfer it to others after deliberating upon it and adopting into my own lived and learned experience. God bless you both 🙏❤🙏❤ and your families going forward!!🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
All my heroes echo these sentiments. Chris Hedges and Jonathan Haight regarding the value of thinking over feeling. Dennis Hayes and Frank Furedi with their uncompromising critique of the dangerous rise of therapeutic education and now Frank Furedi’s profound narrative of the modern threat of the safety syndrome. And, just an after thought - Konstantin Kisin’s recent pronouncement of the expression of fear by parents of their own children. I never feel so alone when I’m reminded of these universal truths.
It’s great he highlights the current plethora of ‘work coaches’ and ‘advisors’ as well as this new breed of ‘influencers’ within youth peer groups. Promoted in all cases for political steering rather than achievement… perhaps similar to how so often the abused become the abusers.
Top notch dialogue. I really appreciate the rigour of the questions as well as the insight of Furedi’s answers. As an educator myself, I am desperate to counter the safetyism and passivity of our current culture.
I recently discovered a book, printed in 1832, 2" thick, of nothing but sermons, delivered between the late 1700's and early 1800's by a Scottish prelate, Hugh Blair, who was also a professor of rhetoric and belle lettres at the University of Edinburgh. The vocabulary alone is stunning in its contrast with the vacuous prattling we hear from just about all of those in the public square who now fancy themselves as intellectuals or of persons of significance. But the intellectual, the philosophical, and the theological content grips the reader in ways that nothing in today's culture seem capable of supplying. The majority of the sermons deal with the minutiae of the examined Christian life and the overcoming of the baser impulses ruling our daily lives, in the pursuit of the life well lived. But what fascinates me the most, apart from the sermons themselves, is the realization that he was most likely speaking to a packed house every Sunday and to people who were, not only capable of processing the intellectual weight and theological heft of the subject matter, but were applying the lessons learned in their daily lives and the effect of that influence then seeping out to the larger culture in which these people lived and moved. One can only imagine what a society influenced by such people must have been like on the personal and moral level.
People who knew the scriptures well became educated." Christian s started the first Ivy League schools in the US/ then British colonies. " There is no wisdom, Knowledge, nor counsel apart from the LORD, Proverbs tells us." I recommend the Gospel of John. You can know you have eternal life...
Richard Tarnas, in his book “The Passion of the Western Mind” makes that exact point in his chapter on the maintaining of European intellectual integrity, that the Scholastics, because of their intense study of Scripture, and the manner of their study, preserved and promoted the intellectual tradition that gave rise to Universities and other examples of rational thinking. It’s in the abandonment of that robust tradition of “examining the Scriptures” and of learning how to “rightly divide” the Word of Truth, that the West has fallen farther and farther behind both, scholastically and intellectually.
i have thought a lot lately about that quote because i see that society is creating weak young who will not be able to cope with the hard times they create.
I like Eric Weinstein’s variant: “…strong men make good times and nuclear weapons…weak men and nuclear weapons make end times” Hard times, given contemporary levels of technology, are going to be particularly hard.
I found the insights around judgement to be particularly thought-provoking. Especially the current pervasive idea that when someone judges my belief, they are judging me, that somehow I am deficient because my idea was questioned. I really feel this personally. How did we become so identified with our belief system that we are unable to separate our Self from the belief? How did we lose our ability to engage in healthy, thought-provoking debate without feeling personally attacked when someone has a contradictory belief? How have we forgotten that it is entirely possible that both sides are correct? And how do we change our current situation? As an aside, John, it seems to be the story of my life that I only recognise opportunity once it has been lost. I feel fortunate to have met you in a personal setting many years ago but I deeply regret not being more open to your conversation at the time 🙏. Still, having met you gives much depth to these conversations that you are having now because you are still the same as you were back then.
Don't say 'failure of trust' as if all we have to do is learn to trust again - that is what we are being told all the time; that those in power must educate us to trust that they are right! We have to resist, and oppose. There can be no trust of teachers who are doing this (and unfortunately it is most of them because of how they have been taught); kids have to be removed from schools, rescued quickly, or teachers faced up to and removed. Very hard, but some are doing it and opposition groups are forming.. Another thing to do is teach the kids WHY this stuff is wrong. Show them this video, and others like it. Even young kids can understand more than many parents assume. Get them thinking, not rote learning.
@@sosaysthecaptain5580 I'm dubious. Trust means taking what others say as fact, and becomes all too often a tool for control through indoctrination. Instead, teach values, along with critical thinking that gets kids to look at why those values make sense, why they work in holding a society together. Teach that they might be the best so far, but that even a kid can question them and challenge a teacher. We need a new generation of kids that are expert at reasoning. Communities should be built on common values, along with the ability to have open discussion on those values. Stories are an excellent way of demonstrating why some values and behaviours have good outcomes and some bad - values only have meaning episodically; someone did this and then, this happened! Films are excellent for this, but only the ones based on novels. Modern films are based on action and manipulation. I'd love to see a movement away from Hollywood towards making more good life-based stories into movies.
Great interview and great guest with many powerful insights. Is it possible to be courageous without love, faith, hope and charity? We need to look deep into our hearts and be honest with ourselves.
I find it interesting that V. Putin talks often about the history of Russia and the errors of the Bolsheviks who tried to exterminate the past and form the New Utopia, very similar to the Woke push of the present Collective West. Look where that got us is one of his common quips. I have visited the modern Russia several times and they are "somewhat old-fashioned" in their values.
I'm no fan of Putin or the Russian people, largely because of their communist past. Russia has always been at least 50 years behind the west. This one statement by Putin gives me hope we can one day be friends and allies.
It’s really reassuring to hear these ideologies being discussed . Everything that underpins our society is being dismantled and so many people feel dispossessed and disregarded . Sanity at last … hold fast folks.
The Scottish Family Party is going out and out to inform parents and the general public of the indoctrination in schools. “FAMILY” is the keyword. They have a Website.
If this generation is pushed into the transgender ideology, I fear there may not be much in the family way in the future. Interesting that white kids are being most affected by this
This was excellent. Interesting that Furedi has noticed the apparent change in the Australian national character. I wonder if anyone has connected this to the advent of public liability laws? The cultural impact of these has been profound, even if it could not reasonably have been anticipated. These laws legitimise the impulse of some citizens to police the behaviour of others. If the consequences of your risk-taking is going to impact me, then I have a right to take measures to protect myself by attempting to constrain your behaviour. The result is that individual decisions are now subjected to community evaluation in a way they never were before. When "good" and "bad" is decided on the basis of health outcomes, risk-taking is discouraged. Public liability has also suppressed the former casual generosity that used to characterise our culture. I know farmers who used to let charities use their sheering sheds for barn dances but they won't do it now, in case someone slips and sues them. Australia is worse for these laws.
At 30:00, Prof. Furedi spoke of the line they've drawn of before and after to zero out our past. Reminded me of the N.Y.Times' use of the term "Before Times" in a recent article of that publisher to indicate to its readers that exact differential between the "olden times" way of thinking versus the progressive "woke" way to experience life today.
There is something called a Personal Safety or Risk Profile, and we all have one. It is your willingness to accept risk, and everyone operates at their particular level. As an example l ride motorcycles and in the US used to often ride with no helmet, gloves, boots, etc. However l would only do this if riding short trips at up to 70kmh. Over that speed l would feel unsafe. So l had reached my risk level. However if l ride with all the correct gear, Armour in my jacket, Kevlar jeans, etc. I will happily ride at over 200kmh because my personal perception is that it is the same risk level. (whether that is right or wrong is not the point). The point is that the more protections you put in place the more risks people will take to bring them to their own comfortable risk level.
I remember about 20 years ago having a conversation with a friend about not depending on feelings and to her it was a complete revelation - she even said, 'I always thought feelings were 'it'.' (She is Gen X. ) She subsequently used often to refer to that realisation as life-changing.
Very insightful. I think what we’re seeing also is a toxic combination of the arrogance of people who think they know better than a everyone who came before them and a rebellion against any moral constraints. “Who are YOU to tell me I can’t do what I darned well please? What do YOU know anyway?”
I agree with Frank's final point regarding needed reform of education. The academy has become a law unto itself. We need science in the public interest. University presIdents need to be drawn from the ranks of people with real world achievements and perhaps be vetted by legislatures.
Francis Schaeffer said this back in the 1960s and 1970s, where ideas begin. The arts, academy and then they eventually trickle all the way down to the family kitchen table. Parents need to be vigilant where ideas come from so that they can help their kids think through things properly. When there are no moral absolutes by which to judge society then society itself becomes absolute
What a spider’s nest man is developing but without the reasoning and knowledge of why the spider makes it nest in that manner. Two things come to my mind : 1. Geta Thunberg, who has been made a “goddess” by her elders of position who have not questioned her but have accepted the viewpoints of a then 16 year old. I fear the future of the “goddess of climate change.” Complete irresponsibility and almost abdication of her elders on a worldwide basis. 2. The recent election in Virginia, USA where both sides of political spectrum elected three Republicans to high office because the parents are fighting back to protect their children from CRT. New Jersey missed a very small percentage of following Virginia Thank you for this interview. .
Good points. However, regarding #1 I reckon it is the other way round. It is the NWO elites that stretched their claws to this 16 y.o. kid. They use Thunberg as a useful idiot to reach out to the younger generations. Without these elites it would not have been possible for a child to speak in the UN and tell international leaders where to get off.
@@M-a-k-o yes, you are quite right and I should have expressed my point as you have…which is what happened. It seems to be an acceptable thing to do to people these days, regardless of age.
It was grown-ups that gave us the Iraq War. How does age matter when we constantly put our stupidest in charge? "fighting back to protect their children from CRT" Those idiots do not even know that CRT isn't taught in school.
I prefer "Reign O'er Me" but yeah it's a tough time to be a young human being. Let's all give the kids as much understanding and discipline as is needed. The human race and liberty will pull through.
"Blue-pilled people use language as a way to avoid thought. Their cognitive process is entirely different. They use phrases delivered to them by the corporate press to close off thoughts where a critical mind would otherwise go, akin to sewing up a hole in clothes." - Michael Malice
Thanks Frank & John. In the contexts of the various forms of post-modern indoctrination it's hard not to recall again the Barfield-Lewis identification of the fallacy of chronological snobbery. SDI
I recall Obama using the phrase on a number of occasions that he was offended or such and such was offensive to him, as if that should put an end to that discussion and that his view was the primary view rather than a continuation in discourse. He then said that he evolved on certain issues while in office and today we have all these issues that are spoiling the broth of Democracy.
The Scottish Family Party is going out and out to make parents and the public in general aware of the agenda in schools today. FAMILY being the operative word. They have a Website.
I like this bloke he's a renegade sociologist, most of them are social-engineering wokeists. Very valuable this insider telling us what they and the other academics are doing to us. Great interview, thanks.
At the 29: 50 mark of the interview Furedi mentions the historical admonition to stop the time of the present and past and future to (once again) recreate the present as the beginning of the NEW. Politically and culturally (sic) this Ending/Beginning has been catastrophic across human societies in the last 100 years; specifically in Cambodia, where this insanity was instantiated to the devastating conclusion that resulted. No-where ( utopia) has there, it seems to be, an attempt to discern the epistemological and telos of the stopping, as it were/where FROM some time which doesn't at the same "time" dissociate, how this change in behaviour is worthwhile, advantageous (for, whom ?) and moral; Where is the evidence? How is the known from the past obliterated in the present by use of a new form of knowing, actualized from within a corpus that has yet to reconcile to that which ( on their account) is, say, better? No. This IS the best time, because "we" devise it so! Oh, really? I'll just wait and see.
It also seems to me that such presentism also sends a message that there is no personal responsibility for decisions you make as these immediately becomes the past.
Conservative Christians have been protesting this for decades. Read GK Chesterton around 1900 and onward. The Catholic school established in the US, the Christian school movement, the homeschool movement are partly in reaction. The scriptures command us to bring up our Children in the nuture and the fear of the Lord. ...The biblical separatist, The Pilgrims of 1620 of the US wrote in the Mayflower Compact ( a basis for our US laws), that Christian schools would be set up in the new land. Is was always the homes, churches and imediate community in charge of kids education. Our first 6 or universities, the Ivy League ones, were Christian schools......
I was brought up to understand that a safe space meant a place where each person can speak their mind without being attacked for their views. Today safe spaces mean the exact opposite.
Please interview Thomas Sowell …….The Vision of the Anointed ……..one of the best books ever and is saying exactly what Professor Furedi has just stated
My two bobs worth! Thus saith the Lord , Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. Jeremiah 6:16 KJV
Look to the teachers, it is them you should be talking about. I am one, and I know of none that are not left leaning - and the students know this and many are wary of it, but play along.
So are you critical of those teachers, or are you one of them? What are you doing about it? Do you expose and oppose the indoctrination with those you teach?
@@lindosland They are my friends, but I call them out on their ( what I think is) nonsense, we have very heated debates. 'Expose them': expose them to who? (I'm laughing). What about you?
@@fractalnomics The very definition of friends is problematic. I think that in a well-functioning society your friends should think like you. In today's society, with value systems fragmenting, this poses a huge problem. I am currently struggling and holding back from saying what I really want to to family members and friends, especially some with disturbed self-harming children. With your teacher friends you have an easier situation in that the 'capture' of schools is being written and talked about widely, and your teacher friends have a duty as teachers to look at what is going on. 'Expose them to who?' Good question. I guess you could expose them to the pupils (the young are hungry for truth) but you run the risk of being accused of corrupting the kids! The film 'Dead Poets Society' gives a good example of teacher Robin Williams going bravely out on a limb, to the point where the kids worship him, though for some kids it ends badly - he is perhaps not careful enough! Or expose them to the parents, but you've got your work cut out demonstrating what is happening in schools. Have you watched any Jordan Peterson videos? He left his University Professor job (and friends) because he objected to what he was required to do, and now has a huge following and different life. I recommend his video on YT 'Telling the Truth'. In another I remember he said something like, 'you'll pay a price, but then you'll pay a price either way, but the truth will lead to a better world'.
We lack this sort of conversation environment in Marxist NZ. Here, the experiment is almost complete and the sheep are mostly sleeping. Many Maori continue to offer complex issues for these fallen ones, because our culture runs contrary to European cultural ideas. When it comes to meaning and value, Maori think in absolute terms, and this is deeply ingrained in the culture and difficult to contend with. However, when darkness has come, light is around the corner. Cheers from NZ.
Way too many sheep in Oz as well, they bleat to get their hooves stab, expect sympathy on social media when they virtue signal about all the horrendous side effects they suffer and how mandatory this suffering should be inflicted on every lamb, even the smallest baby ones. Meanwhile state governments are openly building concentration camps whilst the media complains that the purebloods yellow stars aren't big enough. Meanwhile Morrison, the biggest sheep let's Prince Charles tell him how we need to eat cockroaches. At least you have a communist horse for a PM. Tell me the current woes across the Tasman.
Granny Annie The thought of cockroaches reminds me of how the Rwanda leaders called some of their citizens cockroaches in the months before the calls to exterminate the cockroaches. Seek the Truth. There’s One who claims He is the Truth and the Light. He gives perfect peace.
Granny Annie There is a great discipline and peace that comes from memorizing Scripture about peace. E.g. God has not given me a spirit of fear but of love, power and a sound mind. Part of it is what we feed ourselves, reading the Psalms is very calming and learning or singing Psalm 23, 121 are beautiful, powerful and calming. I will pray that God meets you and fills you to overflowing with His peace. There are so many who have no idea there is One who gives perfect peace. If you look in the back of a Bible there is often a long list of suggestions. Much 💕
Authoritarianism as a political weapon was the gift public health granted the politicians. When they teamed up, they doubled the power of dictating power and became onerous and dismantling of social justice into injustice and the denial of individual choice and freedom. Where there is risk, there must be choice. Where there is injury from the risk, there must be transparency, accountability for what can be life altering injury, and reparations for the costs of treatments and care.
So true ! Our biggest challenge is how are we to alter our current education system, its one, of the places where so much damage is being done to our youth n their hope for a future. = mental health is not possible without hope. Interestingly its our hope our very core which is currently being attacked n eroded politically.
@John; Your comment on the French revolution really rang true for me. In my scholarly readings of the turmoil in france and the sociopolitical landscape of France in 1789 (and before) its very easy to dismis it as a populist working class revolution. While it had these elements, the wealthy non-aristocratic inteligencia contributed greatly to the "organisation" and "nationalisation" of the revolt transforming it from Parisian anarchy into a powerful political force which threatened European peace and stability. Its easy to see how political forces of educated middle to upper middle class to the neo-elites, (intelligentsia) in our own time; are using popularist social uprisings to serve their own subversive agenda - Such as the BLM organisation and social organisation of "protests" (read riots) across the face of America. There are definite sociopolitical forces led by an intelligentsia in both eras and there are powerful individuals willing to profit from the bushfires and anarchy of the times.
The neoliberalisation of education has instigated a necessary backlash, but one that has morphed into as big a monster as its progenitor. As for longevity and material well-being, in the UK these are in decline as a result of consecutive right-wing governments.
I thought I would miss out however John you didn't let me down about halfway came the thump thump on the table and by the end you were making up for what you had missed in the beginning. Please John add a microphone to your hand so they can be more pronounced
Safetyism, my city bought a lake in order to have the right to enforce lockdowns and life jacket policy. It was 50 million I think, of tax money. To enforce social distancing! And life jackets. They hired a whole team to yell at people about life jackets.
Frank is brilliant He is right about the medicalisation of mental states I have a few left/lib friends who live very scatty lives and are always anxious/depressed, when asked or challenged about it they simply say “I’ve got a chemical in balance” or another recent diagnosis but rarely change their lifestyle or outlook on life...give it a few years and we will all be on SOMA
The great thing about the revolution is that unqualified people can finally be qualified. The problem with all revolutions is that the skill and qualification of the enemy was interpreted as evil. For a revolutionary mind to feel better it is awarded rights and entitlements to motivate the fight. Once in power this illusion is still in work. The revolutionaries continue to motivate themselves and maintain their somewhat fake legitimacy. Like when Mao in China had great ideas of success, but was completely incapable of running agriculture projects. The revolutionary mind of human being is, I think, an extremely powerful survival mechanism that portrays the oppressor in bad light an energizes you to gain access to wealth. As modern society has a much higher pace the revolutionaries need only a few years in the office they taken over before the system goes down and they will resort to covering up their failures and finally using violence and force to stay current. Unfortunately if the touch knobs in the energy system, education, defence standard of living will go down really fast. The current revolutionaries are not yet in complete failure, but as it rapidly becomes more evident the violence against inhabitants will increase. With so many indoctrinated young people that have no previous history, they will probably be useful for the tyrants to control the masses.
Australians have always been very happy with our government making us do stuff for our own good. We are made to vote - by law, at risk of being fined - as a "civic duty". But how do my fellow Australians benefit from me spoiling my vote or (worse still) placing a donkey vote? What is freedom when it's forced upon you by law? No freedom at all. We have ceded our duty to think for ourselves. Allowing the powers-that-be to decide what is good for the population brought us the tragedy of the stolen generation, among many other travesties. But, having said that, we are compliant and obedient - and we live in a mostly very comfortable society, without most of the issues facing most other first-world countries... until the powers-that-be decide otherwise, I guess.
The sanity in this podcast is like the air at the top of a room on a sinking ship
@sosaysthecaptain
aye aye captain
great analogy
Depressing. We have to do better than that. These are your kids. Save them!
@@hannannah1uk Amen...Amen !
@@hannannah1uk Amen !!
I am close to 70. Two years ago i spent several months in India. Every day i took my life in my hands weaving my scooter around dogs, cows and manic drivers to do my shopping. It was exhilarating. Down with safetyism! Down with scientism! Long live risk! Long live Frank Furedi!
Good on you, Philip! Yes if today’s culture changers could spend some time in a less safety minded society, they too might get a sense of the exhilaration you felt. We might all have to emigrate to a less “safe” (read stultifying) place to get back our sense of joy, enthusiasm and looking forward to each new day. 😊👍
Congratulations on experiencing a new way of life.
I have speaking out for years against the soul crushing overcontrol in western societies.
And long live you! Carpe diem ✊🏼
@@sandraelder1101 Thank you Sandra! I am now one year into a new life in Sri Lanka. New life, new home, new job, new friends, new experiences… new scooter. ‘Carpe diem’ indeed😊
I feel lucky to have bumped into this channel. Apart from John being a very likeable person, he touches on subjects that matter and somehow represents my beliefs and morals. It's a bit like having found an island of humanity and reason in a stormy ocean. God bless.
John Anderson has an ability to attract exceptional thinkers and allows them to express their ideas. Really great!
I loved this.. I used to think that my difficult, much neglected childhood was my burden, now I realize that I learned to much about survival and resilience. Sharing this with many!
I’m saving this conversation. Not only was it engaging and revelatory, it was truly inspiring. Thank you both.
John Anderson is someone that was just suggested by the TH-cam algorithm years ago to me and I didn’t think much at the time, just that I liked what this man had to say and that he seemed balanced and correct most usually. Today? He is one ☝️ of my fav content creators period…
Those were the days. Now TH-cam continuously tries to direct me away from what I like and back to Jordan Peterson.
@@grannyannie6744 ha lol
Me too. I often say all TH-cam video algo shuffles lead to Jordy P
@@grannyannie6744 Posh. He who is not against you is for you, Granny
@@jakartafinance9389 lol
@@CSUnger Yes.
What a wonderful conversation. So many important, though provoking points. Thanks.
The intelligence, wisdom, and vision are so powerful in this conversation, it hurts.
Like a breath of fresh air to hear that the future is going to be played out in the classrooms where we need to teach independence instead of dependence. 👏👏👏👏👏
Wonderful conversation. This conversation puts words to what has been occurring. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.
As written in some of the comments, there must be more we can do - with such a conversation as this ?
What a fantastic conversation!!
Hey John just wanted to thank you for these wonderful podcasts. And as a fellow Australian all the good things John Howard and yourself did for our country. I did not appreciate it so much at the time but certainly do now.
So true ! The stories I could tell ya.
Easily the most insightful and interesting discourse I've heard for ages. It's a crying shame that the people who really need to listen to these sorts of conversations are being told that old white men have nothing relevant to say. Please keep on plugging away Mr Anderson, some of us at least are listening.
We must be willing to do more than enjoy the luxury of hearing..
Thank you both for sharing your "Wisdom of the ages" !!💖💝 I rely upon it as I age further so that I might transfer it to others after deliberating upon it and adopting into my own lived and learned experience. God bless you both 🙏❤🙏❤ and your families going forward!!🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
That "something" is referred to as 'transhumanism'. Very radical. The future in politics will be a fight between the 'authentic' vs. the 'transhuman'.
I freaking LOVE this channel.
All my heroes echo these sentiments. Chris Hedges and Jonathan Haight regarding the value of thinking over feeling. Dennis Hayes and Frank Furedi with their uncompromising critique of the dangerous rise of therapeutic education and now Frank Furedi’s profound narrative of the modern threat of the safety syndrome. And, just an after thought - Konstantin Kisin’s recent pronouncement of the expression of fear by parents of their own children. I never feel so alone when I’m reminded of these universal truths.
Haidt - not Haight 👍🏾
Any chance you have a link to where KK talks about this?
Hi there Clare - if memory serves right KK was a speaker at a recent Worldwrite Battle of Ideas on Cancel culture. Good luck.
It’s great he highlights the current plethora of ‘work coaches’ and ‘advisors’ as well as this new breed of ‘influencers’ within youth peer groups. Promoted in all cases for political steering rather than achievement… perhaps similar to how so often the abused become the abusers.
or, the indoctrinated become what they have been designed to become = food for the predators.
Top notch dialogue. I really appreciate the rigour of the questions as well as the insight of Furedi’s answers. As an educator myself, I am desperate to counter the safetyism and passivity of our current culture.
Its two months later - any progress ?
Fantastic conversation John. Thank you. ❤❤❤❤❤❤
I recently discovered a book, printed in 1832, 2" thick, of nothing but sermons, delivered between the late 1700's and early 1800's by a Scottish prelate, Hugh Blair, who was also a professor of rhetoric and belle lettres at the University of Edinburgh. The vocabulary alone is stunning in its contrast with the vacuous prattling we hear from just about all of those in the public square who now fancy themselves as intellectuals or of persons of significance. But the intellectual, the philosophical, and the theological content grips the reader in ways that nothing in today's culture seem capable of supplying. The majority of the sermons deal with the minutiae of the examined Christian life and the overcoming of the baser impulses ruling our daily lives, in the pursuit of the life well lived.
But what fascinates me the most, apart from the sermons themselves, is the realization that he was most likely speaking to a packed house every Sunday and to people who were, not only capable of processing the intellectual weight and theological heft of the subject matter, but were applying the lessons learned in their daily lives and the effect of that influence then seeping out to the larger culture in which these people lived and moved. One can only imagine what a society influenced by such people must have been like on the personal and moral level.
People who knew the scriptures well became educated." Christian s started the first Ivy League schools in the US/ then British colonies. " There is no wisdom, Knowledge, nor counsel apart from the LORD, Proverbs tells us."
I recommend the Gospel of John. You can know you have eternal life...
Richard Tarnas, in his book “The Passion of the Western Mind” makes that exact point in his chapter on the maintaining of European intellectual integrity, that the Scholastics, because of their intense study of Scripture, and the manner of their study, preserved and promoted the intellectual tradition that gave rise to Universities and other examples of rational thinking. It’s in the abandonment of that robust tradition of “examining the Scriptures” and of learning how to “rightly divide” the Word of Truth, that the West has fallen farther and farther behind both, scholastically and intellectually.
@@lindaanderson1016 So true...I kinda like Luke but its difficult to choose.
"Hard times create strong men,
“Strong men create good times,
Good times create weak men,
Weak men create hard times."
i have thought a lot lately about that quote because i see that society is creating weak young who will not be able to cope with the hard times they create.
For women, it's "body type;" for men, it's "weakness." Whistle while you work!
I like Eric Weinstein’s variant: “…strong men make good times and nuclear weapons…weak men and nuclear weapons make end times”
Hard times, given contemporary levels of technology, are going to be particularly hard.
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@@sosaysthecaptain5580 Only Eric W. could nail it so well...
I found the insights around judgement to be particularly thought-provoking. Especially the current pervasive idea that when someone judges my belief, they are judging me, that somehow I am deficient because my idea was questioned. I really feel this personally. How did we become so identified with our belief system that we are unable to separate our Self from the belief? How did we lose our ability to engage in healthy, thought-provoking debate without feeling personally attacked when someone has a contradictory belief? How have we forgotten that it is entirely possible that both sides are correct? And how do we change our current situation?
As an aside, John, it seems to be the story of my life that I only recognise opportunity once it has been lost. I feel fortunate to have met you in a personal setting many years ago but I deeply regret not being more open to your conversation at the time 🙏. Still, having met you gives much depth to these conversations that you are having now because you are still the same as you were back then.
Love your honesty...you inspire me . Thank you.
John, your work is superb. Please keep moving forward with your interviews.
Thank you for bringing this speaker to your channel. I've already marked 3 of his books I am excited to read.
I have no idea how we walk back from this level of failure of trust
Good men who know better have to rick losing everything in combating it.
Don't say 'failure of trust' as if all we have to do is learn to trust again - that is what we are being told all the time; that those in power must educate us to trust that they are right! We have to resist, and oppose. There can be no trust of teachers who are doing this (and unfortunately it is most of them because of how they have been taught); kids have to be removed from schools, rescued quickly, or teachers faced up to and removed. Very hard, but some are doing it and opposition groups are forming.. Another thing to do is teach the kids WHY this stuff is wrong. Show them this video, and others like it. Even young kids can understand more than many parents assume. Get them thinking, not rote learning.
@@lindosland agreed, but on the far side of all of this, we do need to rebuild some sort of communities involving trust.
@@sosaysthecaptain5580 I'm dubious. Trust means taking what others say as fact, and becomes all too often a tool for control through indoctrination. Instead, teach values, along with critical thinking that gets kids to look at why those values make sense, why they work in holding a society together. Teach that they might be the best so far, but that even a kid can question them and challenge a teacher. We need a new generation of kids that are expert at reasoning. Communities should be built on common values, along with the ability to have open discussion on those values. Stories are an excellent way of demonstrating why some values and behaviours have good outcomes and some bad - values only have meaning episodically; someone did this and then, this happened! Films are excellent for this, but only the ones based on novels. Modern films are based on action and manipulation. I'd love to see a movement away from Hollywood towards making more good life-based stories into movies.
@@lindosland I don’t disagree with any of this.
This discussion is most enlightening. I am happy to be a subscriber to this channel and, as a result, to have learned of and from Furedi. 👏🏻
Thank you for putting into words/clarity all the anxieties and worries we feel but find difficult pinpoint.
Phenomenal interview - crucially important in understanding our current predicament
Frank Furedi makes some very good points, especially about identity crisis in youth.
This is an amazing interview 🕊
Are we awake yet🕊
Guyfawkes night here in NZ.
Probably 95% of those lighting them have no idea of what this night stands for.
Great interview and great guest with many powerful insights. Is it possible to be courageous without love, faith, hope and charity? We need to look deep into our hearts and be honest with ourselves.
I find it interesting that V. Putin talks often about the history of Russia and the errors of the Bolsheviks who tried to exterminate the past and form the New Utopia, very similar to the Woke push of the present Collective West. Look where that got us is one of his common quips. I have visited the modern Russia several times and they are "somewhat old-fashioned" in their values.
I'm no fan of Putin or the Russian people, largely because of their communist past. Russia has always been at least 50 years behind the west. This one statement by Putin gives me hope we can one day be friends and allies.
John Anderson is just lovely.
It’s really reassuring to hear these ideologies being discussed .
Everything that underpins our society is being dismantled and so many people feel dispossessed and disregarded .
Sanity at last … hold fast folks.
🐘🐘🐘🐘 Love your tie John Anderson! 🐘🐘🐘🐘
The Scottish Family Party is going out and out to inform parents and the general public of the indoctrination in schools. “FAMILY” is the keyword. They have a Website.
If this generation is pushed into the transgender ideology, I fear there may not be much in the family way in the future. Interesting that white kids are being most affected by this
@@chris-mg5ui They want all, kids.
Praise Jah, thank you guys deeply.
This was excellent. Interesting that Furedi has noticed the apparent change in the Australian national character. I wonder if anyone has connected this to the advent of public liability laws? The cultural impact of these has been profound, even if it could not reasonably have been anticipated. These laws legitimise the impulse of some citizens to police the behaviour of others. If the consequences of your risk-taking is going to impact me, then I have a right to take measures to protect myself by attempting to constrain your behaviour. The result is that individual decisions are now subjected to community evaluation in a way they never were before. When "good" and "bad" is decided on the basis of health outcomes, risk-taking is discouraged. Public liability has also suppressed the former casual generosity that used to characterise our culture. I know farmers who used to let charities use their sheering sheds for barn dances but they won't do it now, in case someone slips and sues them. Australia is worse for these laws.
Brilliant!!!🎁🎁🎁thank you
Glad you enjoyed it!
At 30:00, Prof. Furedi spoke of the line they've drawn of before and after to zero out our past. Reminded me of the N.Y.Times' use of the term "Before Times" in a recent article of that publisher to indicate to its readers that exact differential between the "olden times" way of thinking versus the progressive "woke" way to experience life today.
Ugh, is that true? “Before Times”
Makes me a bit nauseous.
Interesting.. I've been using the phase "Before times" when referring to the pre-lockdown world.
finally someone speaks about this
Excellent conversation! Thank you!
Thanks for this. Well articulated. I'm proud that this great writer is from my alma mater!
Thank you for sharing great information at a level that is not the norm. 🇨🇦
Excellent discussion. Lays out what I have gathered about current schooling. Current course in USA and West is disastrous.
Excellent talk. So true
There is something called a Personal Safety or Risk Profile, and we all have one.
It is your willingness to accept risk, and everyone operates at their particular level.
As an example l ride motorcycles and in the US used to often ride with no helmet, gloves, boots, etc.
However l would only do this if riding short trips at up to 70kmh. Over that speed l would feel unsafe. So l had reached my risk level.
However if l ride with all the correct gear, Armour in my jacket, Kevlar jeans, etc. I will happily ride at over 200kmh because my personal perception is that it is the same risk level. (whether that is right or wrong is not the point).
The point is that the more protections you put in place the more risks people will take to bring them to their own comfortable risk level.
Thank you gentlemen
Great conversation 👌
Extremely interesting conversation, thanks for the work
I remember about 20 years ago having a conversation with a friend about not
depending on feelings and to her it was a complete revelation - she even said,
'I always thought feelings were 'it'.' (She is Gen X. ) She subsequently used often
to refer to that realisation as life-changing.
Very insightful. I think what we’re seeing also is a toxic combination of the arrogance of people who think they know better than a everyone who came before them and a rebellion against any moral constraints. “Who are YOU to tell me I can’t do what I darned well please? What do YOU know anyway?”
I agree with Frank's final point regarding needed reform of education. The academy has become a law unto itself. We need science in the public interest. University presIdents need to be drawn from the ranks of people with real world achievements and perhaps be vetted by legislatures.
" I remember when Australia was defined by its robust can do attitude ".
We must find a way to reignite our collective memory of this truth.
Both excellent men.
When God is taken out of the equation, chaos will ensue! And sadly, we are reaping our just reward across all spheres of society for our disobdience.
Brilliant discussion.
Francis Schaeffer said this back in the 1960s and 1970s, where ideas begin. The arts, academy and then they eventually trickle all the way down to the family kitchen table. Parents need to be vigilant where ideas come from so that they can help their kids think through things properly. When there are no moral absolutes by which to judge society then society itself becomes absolute
What a spider’s nest man is developing but without the reasoning and knowledge of why the spider makes it nest in that manner.
Two things come to my mind : 1. Geta Thunberg, who has been made a “goddess” by her elders of position who have not questioned her but have accepted the viewpoints of a then 16 year old. I fear the future of the “goddess of climate change.” Complete irresponsibility and almost abdication of her elders on a worldwide basis.
2. The recent election in Virginia, USA where both sides of political spectrum elected three Republicans to high office because the parents are fighting back to protect their children from CRT.
New Jersey missed a very small percentage of following Virginia
Thank you for this interview.
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Good points. However, regarding #1 I reckon it is the other way round. It is the NWO elites that stretched their claws to this 16 y.o. kid. They use Thunberg as a useful idiot to reach out to the younger generations. Without these elites it would not have been possible for a child to speak in the UN and tell international leaders where to get off.
@@M-a-k-o yes, you are quite right and I should have expressed my point as you have…which is what happened. It seems to be an acceptable thing to do to people these days, regardless of age.
It was grown-ups that gave us the Iraq War. How does age matter when we constantly put our stupidest in charge?
"fighting back to protect their children from CRT"
Those idiots do not even know that CRT isn't taught in school.
I prefer "Reign O'er Me" but yeah it's a tough time to be a young human being. Let's all give the kids as much understanding and discipline as is needed. The human race and liberty will pull through.
I would not be so sure about that..
@@kaylenehousego8929 That's the attitude.
COURAGE!
"Blue-pilled people use language as a way to avoid thought. Their cognitive process is entirely different. They use phrases delivered to them by the corporate press to close off thoughts where a critical mind would otherwise go, akin to sewing up a hole in clothes." - Michael Malice
Your videos needs hundreds of thousands of more views
Thanks Frank & John. In the contexts of the various forms of post-modern indoctrination it's hard not to recall again the Barfield-Lewis identification of the fallacy of chronological snobbery.
SDI
I recall Obama using the phrase on a number of occasions that he was offended or such and such was offensive to him, as if that should put an end to that discussion and that his view was the primary view rather than a continuation in discourse. He then said that he evolved on certain issues while in office and today we have all these issues that are spoiling the broth of Democracy.
The Scottish Family Party is going out and out to make parents and the public in general aware of the agenda in schools today. FAMILY being the operative word. They have a Website.
I totally agree with Frank Furedi in his opinion about technocrats.
I like this bloke he's a renegade sociologist, most of them are social-engineering wokeists. Very valuable this insider telling us what they and the other academics are doing to us. Great interview, thanks.
At the 29: 50 mark of the interview Furedi mentions the historical admonition to stop the time of the present and past and future to (once again) recreate the present as the beginning of the NEW. Politically and culturally (sic) this Ending/Beginning has been catastrophic across human societies in the last 100 years; specifically in Cambodia, where this insanity was instantiated to the devastating conclusion that resulted.
No-where ( utopia) has there, it seems to be, an attempt to discern the epistemological and telos of the stopping, as it were/where FROM some time which doesn't at the same "time" dissociate, how this change in behaviour is worthwhile, advantageous (for, whom ?) and moral; Where is the evidence?
How is the known from the past obliterated in the present by use of a new form of knowing, actualized from within a corpus that has yet to reconcile to that which ( on their account) is, say, better? No. This IS the best time, because "we" devise it so!
Oh, really? I'll just wait and see.
It also seems to me that such presentism also sends a message that there is no personal responsibility for decisions you make as these immediately becomes the past.
Conservative Christians have been protesting this for decades. Read GK Chesterton around 1900 and onward. The Catholic school established in the US, the Christian school movement, the homeschool movement are partly in reaction.
The scriptures command us to bring up our Children in the nuture and the fear of the Lord. ...The biblical separatist, The Pilgrims of 1620 of the US wrote in the Mayflower Compact ( a basis for our US laws), that Christian schools would be set up in the new land. Is was always the homes, churches and imediate community in charge of kids education. Our first 6 or universities, the Ivy League ones, were Christian schools......
I was brought up to understand that a safe space meant a place where each person can speak their mind without being attacked for their views. Today safe spaces mean the exact opposite.
In the words of a wise and funny man;
'All of a sudden everyone thinks they're Socrates'
The adults have returned🙏
Please interview Thomas Sowell …….The Vision of the Anointed ……..one of the best books ever and is saying exactly what Professor Furedi has just stated
My two bobs worth!
Thus saith the Lord , Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
Jeremiah 6:16 KJV
Look to the teachers, it is them you should be talking about. I am one, and I know of none that are not left leaning - and the students know this and many are wary of it, but play along.
So are you critical of those teachers, or are you one of them? What are you doing about it? Do you expose and oppose the indoctrination with those you teach?
@@lindosland They are my friends, but I call them out on their ( what I think is) nonsense, we have very heated debates. 'Expose them': expose them to who? (I'm laughing). What about you?
@@fractalnomics The very definition of friends is problematic. I think that in a well-functioning society your friends should think like you. In today's society, with value systems fragmenting, this poses a huge problem. I am currently struggling and holding back from saying what I really want to to family members and friends, especially some with disturbed self-harming children. With your teacher friends you have an easier situation in that the 'capture' of schools is being written and talked about widely, and your teacher friends have a duty as teachers to look at what is going on. 'Expose them to who?' Good question. I guess you could expose them to the pupils (the young are hungry for truth) but you run the risk of being accused of corrupting the kids! The film 'Dead Poets Society' gives a good example of teacher Robin Williams going bravely out on a limb, to the point where the kids worship him, though for some kids it ends badly - he is perhaps not careful enough! Or expose them to the parents, but you've got your work cut out demonstrating what is happening in schools.
Have you watched any Jordan Peterson videos? He left his University Professor job (and friends) because he objected to what he was required to do, and now has a huge following and different life. I recommend his video on YT 'Telling the Truth'. In another I remember he said something like, 'you'll pay a price, but then you'll pay a price either way, but the truth will lead to a better world'.
@@lindosland Watch carefully with Jordan. He has paid a huge price for the stand he took. The question, report to who ? is valid...who we gonna call ?
We lack this sort of conversation environment in Marxist NZ. Here, the experiment is almost complete and the sheep are mostly sleeping. Many Maori continue to offer complex issues for these fallen ones, because our culture runs contrary to European cultural ideas. When it comes to meaning and value, Maori think in absolute terms, and this is deeply ingrained in the culture and difficult to contend with. However, when darkness has come, light is around the corner. Cheers from NZ.
Way too many sheep in Oz as well, they bleat to get their hooves stab, expect sympathy on social media when they virtue signal about all the horrendous side effects they suffer and how mandatory this suffering should be inflicted on every lamb, even the smallest baby ones. Meanwhile state governments are openly building concentration camps whilst the media complains that the purebloods yellow stars aren't big enough.
Meanwhile Morrison, the biggest sheep let's Prince Charles tell him how we need to eat cockroaches.
At least you have a communist horse for a PM. Tell me the current woes across the Tasman.
Granny Annie The thought of cockroaches reminds me of how the Rwanda leaders called some of their citizens cockroaches in the months before the calls to exterminate the cockroaches. Seek the Truth. There’s One who claims He is the Truth and the Light. He gives perfect peace.
@@bushveldkid7640 I try to trust in God but I'm still terrified.
Granny Annie There is a great discipline and peace that comes from memorizing Scripture about peace. E.g. God has not given me a spirit of fear but of love, power and a sound mind. Part of it is what we feed ourselves, reading the Psalms is very calming and learning or singing Psalm 23, 121 are beautiful, powerful and calming. I will pray that God meets you and fills you to overflowing with His peace. There are so many who have no idea there is One who gives perfect peace. If you look in the back of a Bible there is often a long list of suggestions. Much 💕
@@bushveldkid7640 Thankyou for your kind words. Psalm 23 does provide protection from evil. God bless you.
Authoritarianism as a political weapon was the gift public health granted the politicians. When they teamed up, they doubled the power of dictating power and became onerous and dismantling of social justice into injustice and the denial of individual choice and freedom. Where there is risk, there must be choice. Where there is injury from the risk, there must be transparency, accountability for what can be life altering injury, and reparations for the costs of treatments and care.
Nice !
Parents have been cancelled.
John, you are referring to the basic natural fight / flight mechanism when confronting fears.
So true ! Our biggest challenge is how are we to alter our current education system, its one, of the places where so much damage is being done to our youth n their hope for a future. = mental health is not possible without hope. Interestingly its our hope our very core which is currently being attacked n eroded politically.
Wouldn’t see Tony Blair conducting an interview like this.
@John; Your comment on the French revolution really rang true for me. In my scholarly readings of the turmoil in france and the sociopolitical landscape of France in 1789 (and before) its very easy to dismis it as a populist working class revolution. While it had these elements, the wealthy non-aristocratic inteligencia contributed greatly to the "organisation" and "nationalisation" of the revolt transforming it from Parisian anarchy into a powerful political force which threatened European peace and stability. Its easy to see how political forces of educated middle to upper middle class to the neo-elites, (intelligentsia) in our own time; are using popularist social uprisings to serve their own subversive agenda - Such as the BLM organisation and social organisation of "protests" (read riots) across the face of America. There are definite sociopolitical forces led by an intelligentsia in both eras and there are powerful individuals willing to profit from the bushfires and anarchy of the times.
The neoliberalisation of education has instigated a necessary backlash, but one that has morphed into as big a monster as its progenitor. As for longevity and material well-being, in the UK these are in decline as a result of consecutive right-wing governments.
Would love to meet Frank. I live in Canterbury.
They need the kids dependent so they will rely on the collective more than their individuality.
Profound
I thought I would miss out however John you didn't let me down about halfway came the thump thump on the table and by the end you were making up for what you had missed in the beginning. Please John add a microphone to your hand so they can be more pronounced
Safetyism, my city bought a lake in order to have the right to enforce lockdowns and life jacket policy. It was 50 million I think, of tax money. To enforce social distancing! And life jackets. They hired a whole team to yell at people about life jackets.
The intro music actually gave me a fright.
Well I don't know what to expect when our Government employs an Independent Children's Lawyer named HELLen Volk! @ 1 RAWSON STREET!
Frank is brilliant
He is right about the medicalisation of mental states
I have a few left/lib friends who live very scatty lives and are always anxious/depressed, when asked or challenged about it they simply say “I’ve got a chemical in balance” or another recent diagnosis but rarely change their lifestyle or outlook on life...give it a few years and we will all be on SOMA
Liars get defensive easily. The best thing about them is if you play along you become their god.
The great thing about the revolution is that unqualified people can finally be qualified. The problem with all revolutions is that the skill and qualification of the enemy was interpreted as evil. For a revolutionary mind to feel better it is awarded rights and entitlements to motivate the fight.
Once in power this illusion is still in work. The revolutionaries continue to motivate themselves and maintain their somewhat fake legitimacy.
Like when Mao in China had great ideas of success, but was completely incapable of running agriculture projects.
The revolutionary mind of human being is, I think, an extremely powerful survival mechanism that portrays the oppressor in bad light an energizes you to gain access to wealth.
As modern society has a much higher pace the revolutionaries need only a few years in the office they taken over before the system goes down and they will resort to covering up their failures and finally using violence and force to stay current.
Unfortunately if the touch knobs in the energy system, education, defence standard of living will go down really fast. The current revolutionaries are not yet in complete failure, but as it rapidly becomes more evident the violence against inhabitants will increase. With so many indoctrinated young people that have no previous history, they will probably be useful for the tyrants to control the masses.
Hard times make something something something...
We are quickly approaching societal collapse.
Australians have always been very happy with our government making us do stuff for our own good.
We are made to vote - by law, at risk of being fined - as a "civic duty". But how do my fellow Australians benefit from me spoiling my vote or (worse still) placing a donkey vote?
What is freedom when it's forced upon you by law? No freedom at all. We have ceded our duty to think for ourselves.
Allowing the powers-that-be to decide what is good for the population brought us the tragedy of the stolen generation, among many other travesties.
But, having said that, we are compliant and obedient - and we live in a mostly very comfortable society, without most of the issues facing most other first-world countries... until the powers-that-be decide otherwise, I guess.