The Rise of Hadith Forgery | Dr. Shabir Ally
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- This video will advance your understanding of why hadiths began to be forged and how #hadith scholars dealt with fabricated hadiths. Dr. Shabir Ally explains that hadiths were forged after the death of the #Prophet #Muhammad (peace be upon him) for a variety of reasons. For example, people invented hadith that lent religious backing and support for their leader over others. Dr. Shabir Ally describes the detailed attempts scholars went through to parse hadiths. He explains that even though in principle textual analysis was acknowledged as a valid method of evaluating hadith, it was not exercised in a thorough way.
This is part 2 of our “Can We Trust Hadith?” series, hosted by Dr. Safiyyah Ally. See part 1 here: • The Anatomy of Hadiths...
0:00 After the death of the Prophet Muhammad, there was a need for hadiths
2:11 Rise of political entities led to forgeries for sectarian reasons
6:23 Personal reasons for forging hadith
7:23 The phenomenon of invented hadiths was widely recognized by Muslim scholars
8:30 Forgeries were widespread
10:46 Scholars engaged in an extensive evaluation of hadith to get rid of fakes
11:11 How scholars assessed the chain of narrators
15:27 Scholars also analysed the text of the hadith
16:28 Weaknesses in the textual scrutiny
19:51 Fabricated hadiths remain in the top six hadith collections
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The..BE$T way to unite the Ummah is By following the Quran & Hadith, but this can..0NLY be achieved if we $T0P following the teachings of those preachers & $ects Which are Contradicting the Quran..&..Hadith
How dr shabir Ali would come join Efdawah and dawah wise live steam.
Dr Shabir Ali which sect is right ???
@@watch13famouspeoplewhoacce45 heretic sect
@@thetruthwithproof8802 what about those hadiths which contradict the Qur'an?
Hadith debate is probably the hottest topic in Islam today. Especially as people are more educated about what they say and can look them all up online. In the past the general Laymen just accepted them without questioning.
It's not a debate at all....1400 years of tradition, some fools in the 21st century won't change that, there have been Hadith rejectors in all times, no one remembers them and the authentic tradition of Hadith still prevails and always will.
@@Chakswari101 You seriously think Muslims are meant to follow 4,000 "authentic" hadiths? That's almost the size of the Quran.
@Aqeel mahmood That's even more insane. How is anyone meant to follow that
Shabir is probably the most genuine scholar I’ve ever seen
He certainly is among the best. Add Dr Bilal Phillips, Dr Israr Ahmed (may Allah SWT have mercy on him)
100 percent
@@nazirdin4959 couldn't have said it better myself!!!
@@nazirdin4959israr was not a scholar.
My gripe as a Muslim is this: When the Quran Itself states that it is COMPLETE, FULLY DETAILED, NOTHING HAS BEEN OMITTED FROM THE BOOK.
In addition: The Quran is THE BEST HADITH.
" IN WHICH hadith after this will you believe. ( 77:50).
"Woe to every fabricating imposter." ( The Quran warning of false hadith).
Why then have Sunni Muslims come to place so much emphasis and blind acceptance of man-made hadith??
The Quran states clear cut that the task of the Messenger( Rasool) was to ONLY DELIVER THE MESSAGE.
The Quran states that the task of Rasool was not even to explain the Quran! This task solely belonged to Allah. So why man-made hadith??
I wonder the same... I hope to have this discussion with my family at least so they can open their eyes, but in their eyes I’ve always been the deviant one.
@@fatimaxo4885
Once a person reads the Quran for themselves, they discover a great deal that appears different to what the majority of muslims are doing. The Quran even states, " Just because the majority are doing something, do not assume they are correct and start following them."
Perhaps you have heard the story of the monkeys in the cage? Please look it up on Google.
Sister Fatima, have the calm, peaceful talk with the family but if they are not convinced, then let it go, dont fight over it.
You have been given Hidaya by Allah, there's will come, or perhaps not.
JZK.
Allah uses the word "Hadith" as a warning to Muslims. We can not put Hadiths above the Quran.
@@fatimaxo4885 dont do that, they will call you kafir, telling you by my experience, my family hates me now coz i said quran is complete
@@daevavasilisa1100 Don't worry brother/sister! May Allah deliver you from Iblees and Shayateen!
It's always enlightening to listen to such a well read scholar like Dr Ally. His manner is so humble and the way he explains things are so well presented. We need more scholars like him. He is very right in saying that the "Hadith Narrative" has overtaken what is clearly written in Al-Quran 🙁
I wish more and more muslims learn and at least know about what the difference between sunnah of the prophet and hadiths i.e reports of that sunnah. Thank you Shaikh Dr Shabir Ally
I have no idea how to differentiate .
@@centric145 That's the job of the scholars to provide people with clarity. Unfortunately very few do that. The collection of hadith and authentication was a rigorous project, done over decades during the time of Abbasids. It also coincides with the tumultuous political situation of post Prophet Arabia. Let me give you an example. Go watch Mufti Menk's video on Caliph Uthman. He says all the right things about Uthman, and in the end messes up. He says, Uthman was killed because some Jew conspired. The actual reality was much more complicated, and no Jew was involved. In fact, one of the killers of Uthman was the son of Abu Bakr, the first Caliph. How many scholars you know teach the correct history ? Mostly just avoid, or just omit key details. Can't expect that from a popular Shaikh as Menk. If regular Muslims don't have the idea of how it actually was during the times of Rashiduns, it's very hard to grasp how and when Hadith forgeries happened.
It is had to fathom that millions of people believe in a religion that has so many holes in its narratives.
@@byip2415Actually no there’s no holes. There here are authentic Hadith’s and un authentic Hadith’s.
@@Truth_Seeker1 Yes workable Interpretation of the Koran without Hadis literature is just impossible.
But it is a big problem that Hadis literature itself is highly doubted which causes questions to the authenticity of the interpretations also.
SriRam.
This is an extremely important talk.
Thanks for putting this video here.
People who are thinking that they shouldn't follow the hadeeth at all and bringing the prayer logic. First of all let me clarify the prayer thing, prayers were performed daily five times a day so people remembered it very well so there is no doubt about that, the doubts increases when it comes to how to act on certain situations. Second of all, the purpose of this series is to make people realize that it's not ok to follow hadeeths blindly, not to make you stop following hadeeths. May Allah bless you 💙
Exactly it was not like people did not know how to pray until Hadiths came along. There’s was an established practice and living tradition.
I used to listen to Dr Zakir saying against the bible telling the crowds that if there is one fabrication in the bible how much more could be there the entire bible. Maybe we should apply the same logic to the hadiths....just saying
Agree with you brother.
The crux of the discussion is when Dr. Ally says that you should not believe blindly, Allah has given humans all the mental & physical faculties to think, ponder, research, and understand, and hence you can question it and you are also not supposed to trash it away instantly. The balance needs to be maintained. If one is not satisfied he must counsel people from different schools of thought until you are close to being satisfied. In the end, it alls sums up like this for me - it should not be seen as who said what but more as what was said. It will make sense and makes it easier to sift thru the infinite Hadeeths that we come across every day.
@ayadollar khomaini whats ur whole point?
@ayadollar khomaini common argument. Who is the scholar you follow? May I know?
MASHALLAH!! I'm learning SOOOOO much from you guys!! THIS IS SO INFORMATIVE! May allah bless yall
Shabir ally is not holding any punches
I still don't know why he is still what he is, he better come to Christ before its too late😂😂😂
And I love this about him.
To the people arguing that the same sources that compiled the ahadith also compiled the Quran, please answer this, was the Quran revealed through a chain of narrations (like the hadith) or it’s only vessel was the prophet Muhammad saw? You see that is the difference between the two.
Exactly. Qur'anic "chain or narration," is more credible: God to Jibr'il, Jibr'il to Prophet Muhammad, Prophet Muhammad to us. That simple.
@Free Palestine 🇵🇸 I’m am not rejecting hadith but approaching many hadith with caution because the people that compiled the Quran were not writing here-say, which is what the hadith is, if you are comparing the Quran with hadith then that is your problem you can explain that to your creator yourself. If would be wise not to drag others down with your incapacity to distinguish between the two. Let’s not talk about desires many men will happily marry 2nd wives because it’s ‘sunnah’ but will avoid their Fardh of taking care of wife and children first.
I try to tell people Im cautious of the hadiths and they automatically put words into my mouth
@@fatimaxo4885 may I ask a question which scholar do u follow?
@@specialagentorange4329 yes they will always do that it’s their one and only weapon actually. Since they don’t know how to think rationally they resort to name calling, deciding for you if you’re kaffir or not and even decide if you’re going to hell or heaven. I’ve been avoiding the tablighi jamaat for that very reason all they do is belittle and harass people but will never adhere to their own teachings on some matters.
This web-cast topic was VERY informative. Thank you and may Allah reward you both.
God protect you and your family Dr. Shabir
Keep saying the truth. In Gods eyes you are a Gem❤
Thx for being brave enough to talk about this issue 👍
Very important topic. Thank you 🙏🏼
Yes! Great video and discussion! He didn't drop the microphone because he is humble but I really wanted him to do it. Stop arguing who is right, just be good to one and other promote and spread peace and love.
Even Sahih bokhari are not 100% sahih.
God has never protected ahadiths, but quoran are protected. People use your minds. Why believe and worship another source than allah/ quran? So dangerous
If the hadiths are fake so is the quran the people who wrote the hadiths are the same ones who wrote the quran. Abu baka/ uthman
@@tonyloan512 That's not how it works.
Hadiths are a chain of multiple narrators over a couple of hundred years that relay what the original narrator allegedly heard the Prophet SAAWS say.
The Quran was "created" less than 30 years after the Prophet SAAWS 's death by collecting all the verses that were remembered by the companions and other trustworthy Muslims, and then were cross examined and compiled in to what is known as the Quran. The people who were responsible for compiling and collecting would have been trustworthy because they were closest to the Prophet, and therefore would have heard the recitations of the Prophet and known which verses were authentic and therefore should be compiled.
Is there room for scepticism in the compilation of the Quranic verses? Yes, however you would have to provide counter-evidence that the verses that were compiled at that time were not revelations of the Prophet SAAWS and that things were either left out or forgotten.
You cannot fully understand Quran without hadith.
The protection of Quran comes with the protection of Hadith.
May Allah bless the Sahaba for preserving the Quran and sunnah and the scholars who have separated sahih hadith from fabrications with the help of sanad.
If u don't understand a matter better to keep quiet than to speak falsehood
I really appreciate your balanced calm reasoned approach
Masha Allah awesome topic, well explained, BarakAllah feek both of you
I love this! Much respect to you, Dr. Ally!
You are the best, Dr. Shabir
Good video! Thanks for sharing
Pseudo salafis go mad when you even question just one hadith which doesn't look authentic .
They glorify Hadith (word of man/hearsay) more than Quran, clear word of God.
@aqeel -محمود That was a dream by ibn e kathir , a metaphorical allegory not a fact you shia rafidhi
I'm sunni.
If that was not by bukhari when what's the problem because did I just touch a nerve 🙄.
We can we will question bukhari.
Dr Shabir,and the Quran speak team,please,I beg you,expose all the fake hadiths that make us ,women,suffer a lot in this life mostly at the hands of husbands.
Very useful discussion, much needed. jazakallah sheikh.
@बद्री राम पासवान I do not understand your intention in engaging me in this conversation. As I said you are free to believe what you feel is right and we believe what we feel is right. I shall not agree with you nor I am forcing you to agree with me. You seek and satisfy yourself with whatever you feel the truth is.
You can consider me a blind follower and I do not mind that. You go ahead with your eyes open.
Good informative video though, very useful.. Cleared many things in my mind... Good work...
JazakAllah May Allah blessed It's good to know true information in Authentic Hadith
Never seen brother Shabir without a hat till now.
JazakAllah Khairan Dr. Shabir for your wonderfully clear Islam and Iman based and Aql and Mantiq based analysis
Dr Shabir speaks everything from his mind and explains things in a very simple way.
Beutiful channel . It makes sense . Thanks !
Excellent ❤
Thank you very much
Great analysis thanks and Allah blessings to you all
I have a lot of respect and a lot of grudge at the same time for thinking out of the box for Dr. Shabbir Ally. But anyways, we are not propehts, we are not sinless. May Allah have mercy on us all.
A good discourse on the complicated world of hadiths full of minefields. The Study Quran (2017) also gives a pretty good resume on pages xliii-xlv. It also goes further to introduce a new technical term 'Ahadith'. In certain cases it is bold and gives even its own commentaries. There is a special Appendix A incl a long bibliography of Hadith sources. I am so pleased to see that Dr Shabir Ally keeps us on the right track.
Great discussion what are people's thoughts on Buraq
Quran 35v32: *Then We have given the Book for inheritance to such of Our Servants as We have chosen* : but there are among them some who wrong their own souls; some who follow a middle course; and some who are, by Allah's leave, foremost in good deeds; *that is the highest Grace*
Some are just gung-ho on hadith, and treat it like it is God's word. Not surprisingly, God then chooses those who will inherit the Quran, who will receive the great bounty.
So! Therefore! The Koran is older than the Hadiths! I am now getting the idea of which is which. Grateful am I for the information.
Dear Sir Shabir, I been following ur videos for many years thank you so much! I learnt a lot from u. Could you please make a video about the dirham which is mentioned in quran? Many non-believers use that to say that it was the coin and that at that time no coins existed. However arabs say they use it for any currency, doesnt have to be coins especially. The last one makes sense for me. I wonder what exactly that dirham was? Im sure it will help me and many others who are being confronted by such questions time to time.
Adnan Rashid has a detailed video on the islamic currencies of the time of the companions
Jazakallah Khair Dr. Shabir for sharing your profound knowledge with us. I feel enlightened and learn something new every time I watch your videos. May Allah grant you rewards for your service to the Ummah. I appreciate and support all the hard work of the entire team of Quran Speaks.
JazakAllah khairan. At the end of the video Dr. Shabir said that there is a Hadees in Sunni Hadith collection abou the 12 imams, i would like to know more about that!
Excellent. ❤️❤️
very important topic... is there a part one.. hmm..
I was wondering the same thing
Here's part 1: th-cam.com/video/hzs3JEuIgPg/w-d-xo.html
Part 3 coming on Friday insha Allah
I'm American Muslim and I always wanted to know about that thanks for the information.
same, this explains a great deal
@@judyanderson-hamed4034 may Allah grant you jannah firdaus
Salam Dr Shabir Ally. Did Prophet saw ever said "follow what I do" and "do how I do" etc
Very subtle message. very intelligent man.
Q from a Shi’a on that last part. You said that the 12 Imams (leaders) hadith is likely a fabrication, but could it not be that Rasulullah did in fact allude to 12 leaders but the Sunnis analyse it the content through their theological perspective and rejects it based on their established world view. In other words, could Sunni biased towards the hadith be the cause of them rejecting it out of hand, particularly when they are not so dismissive of other ahadith in the Sahihatu Sitta? It does not seem far fetched that a Prophet (one capable of prophesy) would predict the emergence of these leaders does it?
Mashallah may Allah swt protect you two and everyone around you. I just love learning from you about our Religion subhanallah ❤️
Masya Allah. Allahu Akbar ..Dr Shabir is so eloquent & well knowledged. Jazakallahu Khoiron Dr. I pray that I'll be able to move to Canada someday and meeting you in person and join let the Quran speaks
Hadith is similar to Bible Written during Prophets life time and thereafter
This makes is susceptible to human errors Hence Hadith need to be studied taking this in to consideration
The authenticity of Hadith is questionable and let not Muslims equate with Al Quran
If the scholars achieve to decode Quran 100% this would be a big gift from GOD.
Quran is the word of ALLAH and nothing compares to it.
If we want to unite the umah we have to reject Hadiths
It's not
Although I don't wear skull cap on regular basis but Dr Shabir Ally was..but the skull cap disappeared from Dr Shabir Ali in this video??
It's not very important question but it simply clicked my mind so I asked...
Can You Make a Video on Rafa Yadein?
Please keep yourself safe, we know what happens to people who speak the truth.
Very true!
Good discussion
Allah ybarek fikum!
What a pleasant family❤
Very fair look on this part of Islamic history.
People may dismiss this brother because of the lgbt thing and his Liberal outlook but hes right about this 😂 And the Oulama in Saudi even made many comments about Hadith and how it's being used to go against Quran in many cases in history and its still a problem today
It is disturbing that anyone in their right mind can believe that Hadith can be used to abrogate anything Quran.
@@corazoncubano5372 Yeah its a shame honestly
I heard that the prophet (saw) said: "
من كتب عني شيءا غير القرءان فليمحه
And after his death, Abibakar told the companions not to write anything other than except axadith Qudsi. At the Omar khalifah, he collected all Xadith written and burned them. All the Axadith were written at the Abasiin era.
If that is true, why to talk about them now?
If that
Also, they were judging the character of people who were not around right?
May god bless you dr shabir.
Don't forget the angels for there are many more blessing that way. Quran 33 56 thanks
@@twoangels3405 but man is greater than angels.
@@maxtyson9035 yes you are right . For angels bow down to Adam.
Also Quran 46 31 mere mortal forgive some of your sins.
O our people! Respond to Allah summer Summoner and believe in him. He will forgive you some of your sins and guard you from painful Doom. So any body can forgive sins for Muhammad was a mere mortal. Thank you
If that sentence was talking about Allah he could forgive all your sins.
Please can we get Dr Shabir Ally in Mindtrap again ,
Much love Dr 🤟
You are using a symbol of shaytan. Astahfirrullah, may Allah SubhanwataAllah forgive you.
@@Trust-me-I-am-a-dentist 😂
@@Trust-me-I-am-a-dentist Calm down superstitious one….When one understands the use of sign language, he/she will know that this👉🏾 🤟🏻 means Love.
@@Sean_78 Stop trolling Sean. Find a hobby.
@@Trust-me-I-am-a-dentist I’m trying to help you with proper context so that you will not falsely accused someone else based upon your cultural or religious taboos. You don’t have to associate things outside of your culture, religion, or understanding as something that the devil owns. You give the devil too much power and credit. Example, some Christians associate pitchforks and the color red with satan so they avoid wearing red and using pitchforks for yard work. It’s superstitious. It’s ok to be wrong.
Fun fact: The hand sign has many meanings. It old Italian it means to ward off evil.
So Hadith = Chinese whispers. I wrote a short book becomes = the very small note.
What ever allah forget to put in quran, just create a hadith to fill in the gap😂😂😂😂
Kinda yeah.
Hadith is satanic. It is same lie Chinese whisperers by thousands of men and written 200 to 300 years after Muhammad (PBUH) death and the whole religion is revolving around that. Wonder why Muslims are struggling and so weak these days
@@BlueBoardAnalysis oh really, how do u know how to pray, make wudu, ghusl etc ... re-read your extremely silly comment.
One Hadith I’m very skeptical of is the one that’s mentioning the ranking of Ali, Omar, Abu Bakr, Osman in terms of virtue.. it seems oddly convenient that the ranking correlates with the order of khulfa rashideen
MA SHAA ALLAH ALHAMDULILLAH
I feel the need to mention that the decision to make Abu Bakr caliph was made without Ali even being present. Ali was not even able to make a case for himself because the meeting was called without him.
Brother Shabir, Allah says in the Quran that the Quran is complete and surah 77 v 50 (Al Mursalat) says:
Then in what statement after the Qur'an will they believe? (50). The Hadith makes statement. How do we reconcile this.
how do u know how to make wudu, make ghusl, pray etc if its not from authentic hadeeth?
@@sayfrunner Why do you refer to what your forefathers said. Allah says in the Quran many times to use our reasons. The Quran explains everything about salaat, wudu, bathing etc if only you knew about the teachings of the Quran.. If that is not the case, then the Quran is not complete and there are things missing but Allah confirms in the Quran that the Quran is complete and Allah forbids us to say a lie about Him.
@@zozoconde4623 then please educate me and show me in the Quran where it says how one makes Ghusl
@@zozoconde4623 cant find it huh? Ask your "forefathers" lol
@@sayfrunner It looks like you do not know the Quran. So go and do your research instead of listening to other people. Use your brain and not the brain of others. The blind is leading the blind. No point discussing with you if you do not know the Quran
It’s crazy to think this happened bc of how sinful it is to attach false sayings to the prophet ﷺ
Bukhari talked to X1, and x1 said he heard from x2 who heard from x3,..., who heard from x8, who heard from Prophet Mohammed. All claimed narrators x2,..,x8 already dead, how do you check their memories or reliability or their morals? At the end of the day all claimed narration is coming from the words of x1...This whole chain of narrations and authenticating is the craziest thing about Islam. Even if all claimed narrators were to be alive you still can't assess their reliability or memory.
Peace everybody
The Quran is the only book Allah tells us to follow:
This is the Scripture in which there is no doubt, a guide for the righteous - 2:2
Who has been granted permission to say otherwise and to follow any other books? Were they inspired? By whom? The devil?
And the only book He will preserve:
Indeed it is We who have sent down the Reminder, and indeed it is We who will preserve it - 15:9
Who can say the Quran was forged?
Allah tell us to reflect on the Quran:
Do they not reflect on the Quran If it was from any other than God they would have found it very different - 4:82
This ia a rhetorical question asking us to apply the acid test to other books (hadiths, bible...) and you will find therein many discrepancies. Have you not understand that Allah is urging us to THINK (we all have this ability) and stop being followers?
Allah tells having completed the religion during the the prophet livelihood; therefore everything else is Bidaa (addition):
Today I have perfected your system for you, and completed My blessings upon you, and I have accepted surrender as the system for you - 5:3 (part)
Who can pretend having the permission to add anything to this religion (Allah forgives such thoughts)?
And he warns us:
And if you obey the majority of those on Earth they will lead you astray; that is because they follow conjecture, and that is because they only guess - 6:116
Can you deny that the majority is following hadiths rather than Glorious Quran?
The collection of hadiths is the exact same procedures how other religion created their books.
Let us not fall into the devil's trap and look up to the Quran as the last testament preserved by Allah if you are truthful and God fearing.
Salaam
Totally agree with you. Also Allah says about the Quran I have made it easy for you further HE says it’s complete and conclusive.
Finally am finding people like me
Allah told us to follow the messenger as well. How would you know how to pray, hajj, zakat etc without hadith. You can reject some but you can’t follow Quran only. This is apostasy.
@@greenbananas12378 Apostasy is your choice of words. I believe in the book of Allah who claim it is a complete one. If He chose to keep these details to the minimum, it is His religion and we have no choice in it. He told us to follow the prophet because he was obeying what Allah was ordering in the Quran. Know that if you choose to believe in something else, then only you will account for it. Peace.
To the interested reader, here are some ayat which forbid me from going to hadith. Search the ayat yourself and see what conclusion you come away with.
Warning to not follow any other hadith
- 45:6, 31:6, 39:23, 6:114, 7:185, 77:50
Verses on other books
- 68:35-36, 39:23
Explanation of all things
- 16:89
Straightforward
- 44:58, 54:17, 22, 32, 40, 38:28
Detailed and self-explained
- 39:27, 12:111, 6:114
Sayings of the messenger as revelation
- 69:40-43
Prophet follows not except what is revealed to him
- 6:50, 46:9
Allah commands us and him to do the same
- 6:155, 45:6, 7:3
Burden of explanation not on prophet but on Allah
- 75:18-19
Prophets sole duty is to deliver the message
- 5:67, 92, 99, 13:40, etc
Prophets complaint on judgment day
- 25:30
What a pity,I pity you and your knowledge😂😂
You and your pseudo scholars like this one
@@rationalbeing17 what is more pitiful is that you’re laughing in response to verses of the Quran, if someone had written hadith instead you would have been more respectful.. Shame on you...
The Quran warns us about Hadiths.
Ist part link plz
Part 1: th-cam.com/video/hzs3JEuIgPg/w-d-xo.html
Part 3 coming on Friday insha Allah
Can you guess as to which country leads in Hadees forgery ! It is Sourh Asia where
churning a new concocted Hadees takes place perhaps every week.
I am Najib, an Indonesian, it's great talk... telling the transmission of hadiths until their preservation within great books of Sunni hadiths. It is great recordings of the sayings or actions of the prophet. I have questions: (1) How about Shia recordings that prefer transmissions through ahlul bait (family and descendants of the prophet) that came also to be preserved in the great books of Shia hadiths. Can you make a talk comparing these two traditions. (2) While we have abundance of narratives about Muhammad PBUH as recorded by Sunnis and Shias, even with their sanad (chains of narrators) and evaluation, I can't see this sanad exist in the four gospels recounting Jesus PBUH. It is only matn (the texts) that are exist. Can you say something about it?
None of the gospel authors actually authored their gospels for sure from what I've read. other people wrote them down after their deaths. So there had to be a chain of narrators, it's just not overtly stated.
Ofc the gospels are derivative to an unknown degree of the injeel. Even the Christian scholars belief there is a "q source" which the gospels reference.
Our beloved prophet sallallahu alaiyhi wasalaam appointed maula Ali alaiyhi salaam his successor when he called his families to give first dawah of Islam then on 18th zil hajj our beloved prophet sallallahu alaiyhi wasalaam announced maula Ali alaiyhi salaam his successor at Ghadeer e khum
You write rubbish
If Ayesha critically evaluated the text's substance, she was in a position to do so since she lived with the prophet. However, for people who lived generations after the prophet, how could they analyze the text's substance ? They did not have the capacity to evaluate the text substance ie. If the the chain of narrators were sound, the text substance woukd likely be also sound because those narrators had more authority that the one who were evaluating the text.
Bitter truth
Considering that the Hadith are usually the main source of both morals and practices in Islam, it's ridiculous that such a huge part of the religion is based on such questionable sources, which were collected after many passing by regular people, and centuries after death of the prophet, instead of being included directly by the prophet in the Quran.
A common sense approach, I've always felt like hadith science was a bit of a blag.
In 21st Century the KNOWLEDGE OF 7TH CENTURY was progression of knowledge but today in the time of Science and technology these ideas should be seen in te historic perspective otherwise it looks very stale if not IDEIOTIC
Mashallah.
Masha Allah
If not mistaken almost all hadith collectors are of persian origin...is it a coincidence?
If they can't remember hadith how do they remember quran
Quran was made soon after less then 30 years after the prophet pbuh death. Hadith is 200 years or multiple generation after. All conflict between muslims nowdays is due to hadith not Quran. Thats why its so troublesome
Dr Shabir is not sugar coating his religion...
Assalamoallikom brother Dr. Shabbir Ally. I am pure born and raised proud Shiaite from Iran. I am deeply surprised that prophet Mohamad PUH whom his family starting from Ali and Fatemah whom were treated in a very disgraceful manner that Fatemah died shortly after her father's death and Ali was associated on occasion of prayer in a mosque and after him Hassan was poisoned, Hussain was grousomely decapitated and so with all the descended of rassoullah all the way to 11th Imam. Now I am surprised that prophet founded the ultimate and righteous Islam but his blood family were treated that way and after all power politics between the Omar Ossman and Aboobakkar who made themselves the leaders of Islam. In all your discussions I have never seen or heard that you mention about Nahjollballaghah and also as we have told by our scholars that at the time war of Khaibar prophet raised the hand Ali and told " من کنت مولاه وعلی مولاه"
Anyway I would appreciate if you elaborate on this please
The truth must be spoken but presenting a narrative like this casts doubt on all Hadiths. It will confuse people and then each one uses or discards texts according to his/her whim. So here we go.
I would even think many times buying a second hand car. How much believing to hadiths base on hearsay. A collection of sayings of many people which collected 200 years after the prophet. Strange and suspicious....
You see hadith to Muslim equivalent to Christian ✝️Bible. The difference is we can trace do falsification test on Hadith . With Bible since we don't have original manuscript it hard to tell which true story or which is added later on. Quran is never changed 1400 . Revealed over 23 of life time of the prophet pbuh. We claim Quran is word of Allah. He preserve it to all mankind until day of judgment. Torah and gospel is revealed only to tribe of Isreal not to all mankind. That is why Allah didn't preserve it.
@@fathimahmmed5293 Allah doesnt preserve the hadiths too. You shouldn't follow them just like the bible.....
@@fathimahmmed5293 But Muslims also do not have the original manuscripts of the Quran or the Hadiths.
Btw, the codices of Ibn Masud, and Ubay Ibn Ka’b differ from the Uthmanic codex. So which codex faithfully preserved the Quranic revelation? Before you answer, note that Mohammed is reported to have said in Bukhari “Take (learn) the Quran from four: Abdullah bin Masud, Salim, Mu’adh, and Ubai bin Ka’b”.
If you claim that the Uthmanic codex should be preferred over all other codices, how do we know that the various canonical readings of the Quran we have today do not diverge from Uthman’s Quran which we do not have? And how do they compare to Hafsa’s Quran, which predates Uthman’s?
Now Muslims want us to take their word when they tell us that the Quran has been preserved word for word and tashkil for tashkil. They claim that the Quran was mass transmitted (mutawatir) and so its preservation cannot be questioned.
But even the claim that the Quran is tawatir is disputed by some Muslim scholars. What needs to be shown is not whether the Uthmanic codex has been preserved, rather it needs to be shown that every Quranic revelation that Mohammed received has been preserved (i.e. nothing was missed in Hafsa’s and Uthman’s Quran). How can that be done when the Quran was not compiled during Mohammed’s time, and that many who had memorized the Quran died in battle of Yamama?
How can you prove this without presupposing that Islam is true? We do not have the original Quranic materials written by Mohammed’s scribes to compare because sadly, Uthman burnt early Quranic materials (fragmentary manuscripts and whole copies).
This is all to point out that in the best case scenario, Muslims can only be confident that the Uthmanic codex was preserved and then hope that his standardization of the Quran faithfully preserved all Quranic revelations.
To maintain their position, they will have to disregard reports of differences with the other codices of Masud and Ka’b. They will have to ignore the Sanaa manuscript, forgo textual criticism, and deny every Hadith that questions “The Standard Narrative”. And in the meantime, they attack the Bible.
Muslims should listen to what Ibn Umar said: “Let none of you say, ‘I have learned the whole of the Quran’, for how does he know what the whole of it is, when much of it has disappeared? Let him say, ‘I have learned what is extant thereof.’”
Your salvation is of utmost importance for you not to look into these things.
@@tictac7359 please show the difference with evidence? I am guessing you are Arabic language scholar?!! 😉 I'm sure go back look Dr Ali's videos the preservation of Quran may give you some education.
@@fathimahmmed5293 Muslim scholars are the ones pointing out these differences. I am only sharing the information that is found in Islamic sources.
Don’t expect your sheik to tell you this information. They don’t want you to have doubts. But you have to do your own research and ask them questions.
Here is a good place to start. The famous Quran translator, Yusuf Ali, mentions that there is an additional clause in Surah 33:6 in the codex of Ubayy ibn Ka’b. This clause “and he is a father of them”, is not found in today’s Quran. Why is that, when Mohammed said Muslims were to learn the Quran from Ubayy ibn Ka’b?
Do not just accept why Dr Ally says in his videos. Investigate his claims because he will not answer for you. You will have to answer for yourself just as everyone else.
Shabbir Ali is a perfect in all his narration he speaks truth that capivates one's mind vry wonderful indeed it is apt answers to haters so cooly and calmnly explaining the position of hadees unlike other haters who shouts mocks laughs screams as they have god in their pocket
But remember there are authentic Hadith’s and un authentic Hadith’s.
Isn’t it according to hadith nothing should be written down except Quran
Muslim Ummah needs to be careful about hadith. Many hadiths are damaging the image of Islam.
Hadith authentic. Or fabricated v/s Ahlulbait Imam ,question is who should we follow, for me it is the ahlulbait, family of Rasullalah, and descendant of Imam Ali r.a.
It is a great blessing of Allah upon humanity that once again, the tide of Qur'an-only followers is on the rise. Insha'Allah in a decade, more and more rejectors of hadith will come to the fore and insha'Allah the practice of following hadith for guidance will continue to diminish.
Allah has made the religion easy for the people to follow and the hadith literature, which is not sanctioned by Allah, has made the religion impossible to follow.
May Allah continue this tide and return us all to the pristine teachings of the Qur'an. Ameen
You're dellusional.
This Ummah since the time of the sahaba has followed the Quran and the Sunnah, that will never change, you Hadith rejectors are a small tiny fringe group who are not taken seriously and never will be taken seriously.
@@mikk3150 salam Mik. I appreciate your message in response to my comment. I guess I have a few questions for us to consider if you are willing to engage. Please let me know if you are willing so we can proceed. Jzk kher
Salam
@@shanedivix9306 yes.
@@mikk3150 glad to hear it. We can. Begin with some preliminary questions to understand what your starting point is.
1. What is the status of sahih bukhari for you?
- is it the 2nd most authentic book after the Qur'an, as scholars say?
- do you accept ALL the ahadeeth contained in the bukhari collection or do you pick & choose?
- what is your criteria for picking and choosing, if you do not accept all of them?
- do you consider the bukhari collection to be revelation like the Qur'an or do you not consider it to be revelation?
Let us insha'Allah begin with these questions and then we can proceed better
Jzk kher for taking time out of your day to engage in this important discussion :)
I look forward to your replies
Salam
@@shanedivix9306
Sahih Bukhari is the most authentic book of hadith, all hadith in it are authentic, we do not pick and choose.
Bukhari is not revelation like the Quran, but it does contain revelation through the Prophet sallahu alayhi wassalam in his speech, his actions and what he permitted and forbade by the permission of Allah.
The Quran explicitly makes it clear Obey ALLAH, OBEY the messenger numerous times, as well as many instances of it being referenced in the Quran of the Prophet revceiving revelation that isn't actually in the Quran, like the original Qibla, the fact that angels were being sent to assist at Badr, Allah exposing the plot of two of his wives, the prohibition of the munafiqeen being able to join an expedition, and detailed instructions on how to perform salah, do Hajj and other matters.
why don't we all stick to Quran ONLY and save ourselves from all the scams and forgeries? the more you support Hadith the more ridiculous it sounds.
Exactly
You must be the Quran only cult?
@@mistert8775 its not a cult, its islam at it's purest form.
Without the hadith quran is useless
@@manggaseliparjipun are u even Muslim
Forgeries....what a joke....
So much about perfect preservation!
Lol ur a fool - only the quran is preserved
No one has ever claimed that the hadiths were perfectly preserved as they were compiled centuries after the death of the Prophet (SAW) and all directly connected to him. That distinction only belongs to Quran.
the quran is perfectly persevered not hadiths u dumb@ss😂😂 this scholar is talking about HADITHS. Hadiths are man made, the quran is 100% from God thats why its persevered even historians agree. Whats the point of watching this video if u dont know the difference between quran and hadith😂 did u even understand anything this scholar said??
Love the showwwwwwwwwwwww.