Comparing the Preservation of the Quran & Hadith | Dr. Shabir Ally
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- Muslims rely on the Quran and Hadith as the primary sources of Islamic law. Dr. Shabir Ally compares the Quran and Hadith in terms of authenticity and preservation. He says that very early on, in the time of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), there was an emphasis on preserving the Quran, with people memorizing and writing it, and it was compiled into a book a couple of years after the Prophet's death. The Hadith was compiled later and was subject to the whims and interests of narrators, despite the scrutiny and care that scholars exercised in order to differentiate between the genuine and the forged.
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I think his opinion is a more balanced position than other preachers who claim they are scholars. Yes, we know hadith was compiled long after the prophet died, and yet, some scholars uphold and make hadith's status higher than His scripture. Some people even say, "if you doubt the book of hadith, then you're a kafiir and become nonmuslim"...which is absolute nonsense.
long after the prophet died"
How long do you think this is?
@@bf6724 It's at least 150 years. Think about how much you know about your ancestors 150 years ago.
@@bf6724 long after his death is one fact. The many contradiction even in hadith itself is another indication that hadith are not reliable.
@@peterhwang1860
Wrong, you don't know, you don't have the right to talk about things you don't know.
@@gondala You don't even know, you just play the critic when you don't know anything.
Any hadith against the quran should be put to the side, no ifs or buts.👍🏼
Re write history as it suits you has always been the policy.
@@peterhwang1860 the only re writing of history i know is when John rewrote Mark Mathew and Luke.
@@Hamza00011 It is not a re write but a supplementary eye witness account. Tons of details about life in Jerusalem before it was destroyed in AD 70. In contrast, all of the stories about Muhammad and the sahaba were fabricated - not one trace of the Rashidun caliphate. Muawiyah is the first historical figure, and he's not even a Muslim.
Watching from Liberia West Africa, Thank you very much Dr Shabir Ally, the Quran is and remains the only guardians from Allah…
Shabir Ally should have also mentioned the earliest extant carbon dated Quran manuscripts are dated to the prophet's lifetime, whereas the earliest hadith scrap is approx 150 years later. Big difference.
@@info786 do they have carbon dating of earliest hadith copy? and what is that copy's name?
@@tausif3k Malik's Muwatta according to the site Islamic Awareness. It's a tiny scrap only.
Finally...
His conclusive statement, "Hadiths were subject to the whims of people who narrated..."
Thank you for telling the Truth, despite knowing this might keep you under pressure from the blind arrogants.
If the truth to you means following orientalist and their works then he is telling the truth, but not the full truth because the same scholars who did the academic research to tell you that hadiths were subject to the whims and desires of people also concluded that the quran was no different. But he only speaks half of what you consider truth while relying on the same hadith that he is calling corrupt to explain away the difference in the sanna manuscript.
The definition of doublethink.
And this shows that what this man says isn't about following the truth it is to serve his plan to liberalize Islam and muslim minds. Nothing more.
According to the orientalist scholars the quran was only compiled 200 years after the death of Muhammed, the problem is these works were very influential before the Birmingham manuscript and the sanna manuscript, which means their methodology is wrong. And that means their conclusions on the authenticity of hadith is also likely to be wrong. The worst thing is the hadith actually tells us all about the differences that we find in the sanna manuscript. And very accurately as well, let's say hadith is a bunch of ballony then you are following a corrupt quran and you need to go follow the sanna quran because it is the oldest.
And there are differences.
It really is a package deal, take both or throw away both, maybe go back to the earliest manuscripts and say that the muslims got it wrong for 1400 years.
And the nonsense that he says about how early muslim didn't care avout the wording of the quran and only cared about the meaning is laughable if they didn't care about it why the hell were their memorizers and why did people who did not know how to make paper go through the very expensive trouble of finding suitable materials to write it down on.
He really is using a "club" to attack hadith with and then hiding behind hadith to protect the quran from that same club.
Actually, your daughter is brilliant and very intelligent.....she can easily discern when things doesn't add up. I don't think she can be fooled by any religious scholar from any religion.
She is going to have a blissful life.
She was fooled by Islam
Would love to see a more in-depth discussion of the implications of hadith corruption and sectarianism.
this
ALHAMDULLIAH.... JazakaAllah for such a wonderful discussion. Must watch for every believer
A commonly stated argument by those who wish to raise traditional hearsay/ahadith to divine-status level is that its compilation was the same as The Quran.
Is that really true? Lets look at the simple and obvious facts...
The Quran = God's Word
Ahadith = man's word
The Quran = 100% fact/truth/perfect
Ahadith = mix of truth and falsehood (hence weak and strong hadith)
The Quran = recorded under the DIRECT supervision of prophet Muhammad
Ahadith = not recorded under the DIRECT supervision of prophet Muhammad
The Quran = written AND memorised word for word as soon as it was transmitted
Ahadith = no-one ever claimed to record and memorise ahadith word for word as soon as it was transmitted
The Quran = protected explicitly by God Himself as stated in The Quran
Ahadith = no such explicit protection stated
The Quran = no Muslim doubts its credibility
Ahadith = each sect has its own versions, weak & strong ones etc
The Quran = in-built verification mechanism, e.g. challenges others to find inconsistancy, bring a chapter like it etc.
Ahadith = no such in-built mechanism, full of inconsistancies etc.
Awesome!
If Abu Bakr had to burn his hadith collection out of concern for inauthenticity, what hope is there for al Bukhari, more than 5 generations later???
Except he didn’t.
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Much needed conversation.
How do we know the hadith book or recored compiled by Bukhari is actually compiled by Bukhari and not tempered for political ambitions and motivations
The Quran and Hadith is political.
@@bngr_bngr No dear.. Quran is the mercy and blessing of Allah the one and only God...Quran is the reminder that there is purpose in creation of life and death. In fact everything is created with a purpose.
The crux of Quran message " Do not associate partners with Allah"...what does it mean?. .It means we should follow Quran only as the criteria between right and wrong where it is SPECIFIC in its guidence be it faith, ethics, rights and obligations, family affairs, economy, charity and welfare, politics, justice, society ..the list goes on for all spheres of human life.
It WARNS us that if we associate partners with Allah and choose to follow devil be it satan the arch enemy, people (who may be politically or financially motivated) or blindly follow our own desires then the outcome would be corruption and injustice in the society.
So Quran liberates us from all false and corrupt beliefs practices notions and philosophies.
It urges humans to follow the straight path of Allah and do not go astray. But if we make mistakes and go astray for any reason we can repent sincerely and continue our journey of life staying on the course.
According to Quran this short and temporary life is a test and we all have to pass this test going through all sorts of challenges without associating partners with Allah, practicing righteous deeds with character, spread the word of the truth and face the sufferings, hardships and temptations with patience and fortitude.
For life it is temporary.
The reward of success in the test of this short and temporary life is the real life...which is the eternal life...a life without fear and discrimination. A life of no regrets of the past and no concerns of the future. No financial or health issues. We stay young, healthy and sturdy...An eternal galaxial life ...of course we need eternal life not only to explore galaxies but universes with unimaginable attractions and opportunities.
This world is just a teaser...Allah is the greatest...All Powerful, All Knowing, Most Merciful and Just...He wants us to be successful in the test of life and join Him in the world of paradise thats why he sent Prophets as reminder and revealed His message for us.
But if we fail the test and follow the false notions and temptations of this world then remember this world is home to sufferings, regrets, fear and concerns...and those who prefer this world will continue to suffer even with greater intensity in the next life.
So if we want the eternal freedom we have to free ourselves from all man made notions and philosophies.
We are born to Worship Allah alone and not to worship people like us and our own desires.
May Allah guides us all. Aameen
@@i4niable Only problem is that Quran is a corrupt standard: cutting of the hands of thieves, child brides and polygamy, breaking of treaties and endless self justification. Try the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5-7, instead.
@@i4niable thank you! The Quran is constant reminder there is purpose in life, and there is even more after death- only we choose what ‘more’ is.
@@fatimaxo4885 Very well summarized👍
As a general public, my first and foremost faith is in the Holy Quran, not in the hadith.
Why did your great Allah and noble Muhammad not collect and compile the Quran from day 1 of revelation - why did Muhammad & Allah leave the messy crazy compilation for the Khalifs to do after Muhammad’s death - your Allah & Muhammad are indeed very wise
It is high time that Muslims revisit their approach and understanding of Hadith because sectarianism which is basically personality cults have led Muslims to idolatry of Sahaba and Ahlulbait.
Don't forget about Muhammadolatry.
@@peterhwang1860 agree. The goal is to worship Allah and Allah alone because he’s our creator.
@peterhwang1860 There's no such a thing as Mohammedolatry. We worship Allah only and acknowledge Mohammed ﷺ as the messenger of Allah
Good presentation. I wonder, as an example, how Imam Bukhari sorted & verified 600,000 hadiths from Uzbekistan( his birth place) in those days which is 3,600 km away from Arabia within such a short time after 220 years of Prophet Muhammad’s(pbuh) death. And he personally rejected almost 99% hadiths.
Yes ..and what authority he had to accept or reject any hadith.
How come he scrutinised hadith when not all of them were collected
Not to mention, how do we know for sure that these people say are true. If the chain goes from Muhammad pbuh to A-B-C-D-E-Bukhari then why should we believe that B,C,D are reliable? Simply because people said they were? Do we have the original writings of those ppl that said they are reliable? It's very difficult to just go by what another person said about narrators when those narrators themselves don't have anything dating back to their time
@@fgtrhwu2 hard to believe what’s made up by Muhammad in the Quran. God knows if Muhammad existed. Apparently it’s a title not a name.
Exactly. One of the many reasons I reject Islam
The Quran is more than 6 thousand verses, a child under six years old memorizes it all with his heart in one month.
Bukhari was not sitting in his house as you claim, he was traveling.
Then what short time are you talking? I bet you don't even know how long it took Bukhari to write his book.
This is so excellent.
Thanks!
Amazing Analysis by Sh Shabir Ally as usual.
Excellent program
Thank you, thank you, thank you
٠اللهمَّ أنت الذي خلقتني وأنت أعلم بي من نفسي، أسألك يا إلهي أن تهدني سواء السَّبيل، وأن تُلهمني رشدي٠
Although the hadith is recorded, the context of some of the hadith was lost, and this can be problematic.
There were no recorded Hadiths
If the prophet prohibited the collection of Hadiths, then who on Earth was more prudent or knowledgeable then him to order the Muslims to collect Hadiths?
Based on human written books and hadiths. But these are not documents of religion. The only proof of religion is the Qur'an (Zahiya-20) (Rad-37) The Holy Qur'an is the distinguisher between truth and falsehood (2:185). This Qur'an is the judge of all matters of religion (Tariq-13). And this Qur'an is complete about religion (5:3). Those who dislike the meaning of this Qur'an, their deeds will be destroyed (47:9). Fasiq who rejects the Qur'an (2:99). This Qur'an is full of truth and justice (6:115). And those who do not follow the Qur'an and follow what most people say, they will deviate from the path of Allah (6:116). And so the Prophet (pbuh) did not follow anything outside the Qur'an (6:50). That is, he was also limited to this Qur'an. He was not aware of the Unseen (6:50) (7:188). He did not warn anyone about religion except this Qur'an (Ambia-45). And he did not say anything about religion except revelation (53:3) He is in the name of Allah Nothing is made up (69:44). If he had made anything in the name of Allah, Allah would have seized his right hand (69:45) and cut his life artery (69:46). And Allah said to the Prophet (PBUH) 'Rely on the revelation' (43:43). And he was founded on the clear evidence
Nice information btw i don't believe in sects i believe in the one and only, ISLAM as my Prophet taught pbuh
Tell me how many Muslims stay that way??? How many give in to their temptations??
" Hold on to the Rope of Allah and do not become divided in sect."
The Glorious Quran gives your answer. Those, therefore who call themselves Sunni, are in grave error and gave deviated from the Path of Allah.
Even by regarding man made hadith as another source are again committing a grave error.
By saying that you are subscribing to a sect. What your beloved prophet taught. That is the Sunni way.
@@jamieammar6131
The so called Sunni way is actually only the Sunnah = The Book of Allah.
The Prophet was not sent to deliver his own sunnah!
The Quran states that his role was to ONLY DELIVER THE MESSAGE.
Another verse states that HIS ROLE WAS NOT EVEN TO EXPLAIN THE QURAN.
50th chapter. That’s Surat Qaf. Min 6:33.
Another excellent video from the fantastic duo!
May Allah bless you both.
I am truly amazed at how man made hadith have become so prominent and dominant in Sunni Islam!
There are many so called scholars who will only quote from hadith!! Astaqfirrullah.
Our Primary source of Islam is the Quran. The Quran is the "Kasorti," the TOUCHSTONE.
Our secondary reliance which is in essence extracted from the Quran, ought to be the BOOKS OF FIRQ = Jurisprudence.
The Quran was put together and written down during the lifetime of the Prophet pbuh.
The Quran states:
Surah At-tur 52: 2-3
"Inscribed on fine parchment."
The Quran was written down on fine parchment and not the nonsense hadith that says it was written on bones and stones etc.
How ridiculous.
As for the 2 or 3 statements that the Prophet said he was leaving, it is only this one that he would ever utter:
"I leave you the Quran only."
The answer as to why this would be the answer is found in the Quran itself:
Hadith were made up, often for reasons of business competion, as in the hadith about dates.
As a Mathematician, I did a rough calculation:
There are 1.5 million hadith narrated by over 500, 000 different people. If we take the average length of a hadith to be 5 minutes long then we find that Prophet Muhammed pbuh would have needed 14 years, saying out loud all these hadith, DAY AND NIGHT!! Or 28 years just saying it out loud 12 hours a day for 28 years continuously!!!
TOTALLY NOT THE CASE THAT 95% OF HADITH ARE FROM THE PROPHET.
OUR DEEN HAS BEEN CORRUPTED AND INFILTRATED BY THE EARLY PERSIANS, CHRISTIANS AND JEWS TOO. But especially the early Persians, the Zoroastrians.
The Persians could not beat the Muslims in battle so they decided to destroy it be changing it.
A prime example is the act that many call NAMAZ. This is not an Arabic word and definitely NOT a Quranic word.
Namaz is Persian.
It is the word they use when they pray to the fire. They are FIRE WORSHIPPERS.
How did this word enter Islam?
This comes to mind:
The Prophet said that there will come a day when my people will abandon the Quran.
With Sunni Muslims a although they profess to believe and follow the Quran they also give too much precedence to man made hadith.
❤🖤❤🖤 Yes, my brother. I appreciate the time you took to present this. I have been feeling the same way about Hadith, but I never knew where to start my research into its forgeries.
Thank you for pointing out that the Qur'an was compiled during the lifetime of the Prophet.
@@tyrellrivera
Thankyou brother for your kind words.
Please aqauint yourself with the book
CONSPIRACIES AGAINST THE QURAN by Dr Sayed Abdul Wadud.
It is an eye opener as to how our Deen has been hijacked. The evidence is clear and open to see.
The sahabah R.A collected and made the Qur'an in a book form but not Hadith
I find it hard to actually make sense of the quran. Just being honest
I suffer from incapacitating depression and furious anxiety because we live in a horrible world and beautiful life that fools make difficult, and i was told it is the only one we have, so i keep trying. I am a psychologist, economist and philosopher and not a prophet with the absolute truth because the truth and the lie have no master and everyone can be right or wrong, which doesn't mean i can not be right and all humanity past and present can not be wrong. Is it impossible to be wrong believing that everything was created from nothing and that hate is perfect love? I claim i have discovered the nature of God that coincides with our psychology because we are God, and explains why is so important for us to have children, because God lives as long as there is life perpetuating ourselves in the future of God with our children. I claim the first "Theory of Life and Death impossibility possible miracle God" based on logic and rational thinking would end atheism and religion collapsing mortality rates to bring peace to the world on being known as proof of a miracle and the existence of God for all humanity to witness. I stand by my truth against humanity with reason because the truth is that I would not exist if God didn’t exist because nothing can be created from nothing and if everything needed to be created nothing would exist, therefore eternal God exists because I exist. The logical God's paradox is that it is impossible the existence of finitude without the existence of eternity or infinitude. It is impossible the existence of life without the existence of eternity, that is impossible. In infinite time every present moment is preceded by a never ending past and the moment of the creation of finitude or life would never be reached. I exist therefore the paradox must be resolved. The God’s paradox is resolved by being the impossibility made possible by the miracle of God, that can do possible the impossible. I am the same and different person than I was yesterday and I would be tomorrow, impossibility possible miracle God. I was created by my parents and I always existed because I am my parents that are my grandparents that are everything else, impossibility possible miracle God. Why my truth is not allowed on the debate? The importance of my unique understanding of reality for psychology and philosophy, even if I am wrong, can not be overestimated and humanity don't understand anything. What a pity! What a hell! How is treating humanity God? I am not allowed to have a voice, to have my truth known to be confronted with the dogmatic lies of ateism and religion inmune to logic and common sense. Is it possible to believe that it is impossible to be wrong believing that everything was created from nothing and that hate is perfect love? It is impossible and real, an impossibility made possible by the miracle of God, an act of God. Science can not explain the origin of what is not originated because always existed. Before the moment of the creation of the Miracle of Life and Death or finitude God existed eternally and consciousness creates consciousness, intelligence creates intelligence like existence creates existence. God designed its own Life and Death to become Alive from eternal Existence functioning according to the natural laws, psychological truths and free will in a mortal cycle of birth, death and resurrection that tends to eternity as long as life creates life loving having children. Life gives meaning to existence and there is not life without death. The only way to be alive eternally is in a sequence of mortality, of life that creates life, that tends to immortality because immortality is death, lie, addiction, religious god. God is perfect justice with perfect knowledge because everything we do we do it to Ourself and to know the absolute truth is perfect karma for eternity. Being God to worship and sacrifice for a lie that looks like a lie would bring infinite shame, guilt, ridicule, absurd. Religion is ambiguous, uncomprehensable, contradictory, harmful madness that is believed because people are desperate to live eternally not understanding the empty promise of eternal happiness, because there is not life without death and happiness without unhappiness. We would live in the past of God, that is present and would be future, being the Creator and the Creation impossibility possible miracle God as long as there is any kind of life, consciousness, psychology, i think therefore I am, being aware of existence. If God die all die to become a memory of what the Miracle of Life and Death was for eternity, like a picture or growing nails on a corpse, like a perfect character in a role playing Game of Life and Death that doesn't decide or roll the dices because everything that is intended to do is achieved automatically and knows the future of a omniscient, almighty, inmortal religious god that doesn't play or live because is meaningless existence. The purpose in life is to keep God alive and happy because is our Own Life.
Nothing to worry...
ALL WE NEED HADIS IS ONLY TO KNOW HOW SALAH,HAJJ,ZAKAT,FASTING IS TO PERFORM.
REJECT WHAT IS AGAINST QURAN..
SIMPLE..
Prophet of Allah don't want to make burden on you that's why told to concentrate only in Quran... Charector of prophet,Ali ra,...all sahaba is quran.. Try it yourself 🥰
Actually Hadiths don’t tell us how to pray, prayers come from living tradition of the prophet
@@laylaali5977living tradition written on paper is hadees
Please tell us what Quran says about following Sahaba or Ahlulbayt.
If there is nothing substantial let this myth busted as well.
We should follow them
@@Shahid63950 Where in Quran?
Please also discuss SAHABA AND AHLULBAYT place in Islam.
Are believing in them is a must part of Islamic Faith.
Can't we get rid of them so that Muslim shift their focus from stupid non issues to issues that really matter in Islam.
Yeah, believing them is Also a part of our iman
The Quran tells us that tgere were hypocrites among the companions without naming anyone explicitly. Therefore you should not idolize any sahaba.
@@adilrasheedonline AND there is no mention of "Ahlulbait " at all and the Ahlulbaiat mentioned are the wives of the Prophet.
There is dire need to revisit the approach towards Hadith the Muslim's bible namely Saha Sata and Alarba...and the idols of Sahaba, Ahlulbayt and Aulia Muslims have created.
@@adilrasheedonline no bro, some of the sahabas like hazrat abu bakr, umar, usman, ali, these all are or jannati sahaba, believe them is also a part of our iman
@@Shahid63950 Can you give a reference from Quran for your claim ?
Allah has taken the responsibility of the preservation of Quran. And hadiths r preserved by humans.
People have been doing this since long to interpret Quran according to their thought process and what makes them feel is right and accurate. Shiytaan is very smartly working on them to be misguided. I don’t trust anyone who is qualified from non-Islamic foreign universities and then start explaining Islam from baseline. Why Non-Islamic foreign Institutes would even care about Islam and teaches you real Islam being the worst friend of Islam on the other hand . What is the Islamic curriculum in these universities and who has prepared it. Be wise and don’t go with every day new arguments justifying their philosophy on Islam according to their thinking.
A very clear sign of getting closer to a Judgement day. Most of the Dayee from this era are in efforts to prove that old teachings are stale and old scholars were incorrect in many ways. Question is did they find new treasures of Islamic teachings from somewhere which were never discovered by earlier scholars in past and they have better knowledge of Arabic and Quran in this time. We are already made aware of this Fitna to come. Shiytaan’s objective is to cut off the love for prophet s.w and his Sunnah.
There is a study done with AI technology. It analyzed the style of the writing in ahadith and the Qur'an. It concluded that the author of the ahadith is not the same author as that of the Qur'an, meaning that the Qur'an couldn't have come from the mind of the Prophet.
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@@maur_sault750 What’s so funny?
What are you talking about? Hadiths were made from several authors. The Quran is the word of god told from the Prophet Muhammad pbuh. That was then translated into writing a few years after his death.
Doesn't add up. If people were really so obsessed about recording the prophet's messages, they would be collected chronologically, maybe with some context or dates provided. The hadith were made up afterwards, and the problem is that without the hadith you have no real idea about the original circumstances surrounding the writing of the Quran. Quranic manuscripts are so ancient that they were written before Muhammad. Birmingham manuscript 568-645, with median date preceding the supposed prophetic call in 610, and it is no first draft.
Whole body of knowledge developed around Hadith is nothing less than a miracle itself.
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I think Dr. Shabbir is in transition period where many scholars become Quranists and than In Shaa Allah came back to the way of sunnah. For all Quranists please tell me the name of months (plural) which Quran tells that every one knows. Quran doesn't name the months it comes from sunnah. So Quran itself pushes muslims to follow way of the prophet (today found in written form as Hadees and transmitted through generations as practices). Quranists cannot tell the way to perform Salah nor they can tell you the words of Adhaan from Quran. But muslims who are not yet fully become Quranists are forced to follow the same hadith knowledge they try to refute. Dr. Shabbir has nothing new to add to our knowledge since every one knows that art of collecting hadith and Asma ur rijaal is formed exactly for the reason that we try to separate right from wrong narrations and it is still being worked on till this date. Imagine you have only Quran in your hand telling you to spend 24/7 life as the prophet did. Where would you get that data from?
I think we are being thankless to the people who spend their lives preserving the knowledge that we so care freely use today.
A “personhood”, by definition, is not a human being. A “personhood” is the ability for a person to “think”, to “reason”, and to be “consciously aware of himself”. A rock does not have a “personhood”; therefore, a rock does not have the ability to “think”, to “reason”, or to be “consciously aware of itself”. While a rock has no “personhood”; however, each human being has only one “personhood”. The following is knowledge well earned: God is one in whom there are three different “Personhoods”: (1) The Father has “Personhood”, (2) The Son has “Personhood”, and (3) the Holy Spirit has “Personhood”.
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A “personhood” is not a human being. A “personhood” is the ability for a person to “think”, to “reason”, and to be “consciously aware of himself”.
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In Islam, Allah is one in whose “oneness” there is one “personhood”. In Judaism and Christianity, God is one in whose “Oneness” there are three different “Personhoods”. God, in His infinite love and mercy for humanity, clothed or covered into human flesh (skin) one of His three different “Personhoods” by way of the Virgin Mary; and sent Him to walk among mankind. John, the Apostle, who was an eye-witness, wrote, “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, and we beheld His Glory - the Glory as the only Begotten of the Father, full of grace and full of truth.” [John 1:14]
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A rock that has no “personhood” cannot begin to reason out, and to understand a human being who has one “personhood”. A human being who has one “personhood” cannot fully reason out and fully understand the God who has three different “Personhoods”. Blessed be the Holy Trinity: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit - the Gracious “Three in One” who allows each human being to at least have one “personhood” in order to think Him out, to reason Him out, and to continuously search Him out for His honor and for His glory. Amen; forever and forever, Amen!
To think a billion people base their entire belief on Arab whispers. Absolutely ridiculous
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So isn’t this a clear case for Quranism/Quran only islam?
That and if anything from the hadith agrees with the Quran
No. Quranism states that the prophet is not a source of legislation. Dr Shabirs approach says if we know the prophet said it, we must follow it
@@Hamza00011 but how do we know the prophet said it if it is not in the Quran? Quran states obey Allah and obey the Prophet. Surely the obeying of the prophet is referring to obeying him with regards to revelation. Quranism does not state that the Prophet isn’t a source of legislation when the Prophet himself brought to us the Quran.
@@LeanOnPlants quranism states that the only legislation is the Quran. But then we run into problems with this. Such as how do we know how to pray (as the quran is vague in this issue). So for this we need the sunnah.
We know is something is from the prophet by tracing it back. That which is ‘mutawatir’ is definitely from the prophet, there it is accepted by our line of thinking, while the quranist will deny it still
@@Hamza00011 so how would you personally deal with Hadith which have nothing to do with any subjects within the Quran - such as age of Aisha (R), for example, and the many many others.
Hadith was preserved like quran by power and order of Allah
repent before it's too late
The Hadith which say "Quran and Sunnah' is weak, and "Quran and Family" is sahih according to Sunni Sholars. So this has nothing to do with hadith evolving because of sectariasm
Shabir Ally is one of the hadith rejectors, although he does not state this directly.
The enemies of Islam tried to distort the Qur’anic text a lot from a long time ago, and they always failed every time.
Now they've switched to a new strategy, if you cannot distort the text, distort the meaning.
At this stage, they found a strong barrier standing between them and the distortion of the meaning of the text. They found the heritage and understanding of the Prophet (PBUH) and his companions standing in front of them. Therefore, they are trying to question the Sunnah of the Prophet (PBUH) until they left the arena for them to distort the Qur’anic meaning without anyone standing in their way.
Even at this stage they will not succeed, simply because they are challenging Allah, Allah has promised to protect His Qur'an.
Indeed, those who disbelieve spend their wealth to avert [people] from the way of Allah. So they will spend it; then it will be for them a [source of] regret; then they will be overcome. And those who have disbelieved - unto Hell they will be gathered.
Quran (8:36)
Who needs to distort the text? The text condemns itself.
@@peterhwang1860 where?
@@bf6724 Sun sets in a muddy spring 18:86. This is presented not as poetry but a historical account.
@@peterhwang1860 The Qur’an is neither a book of poetry nor a book of history, it is a book of guidance.
Continue reading and you will also read that the sun rises from the heads of people.
Why don't you focus on this verse as well? Because it will expose the lie.
You are really naive, you did not find anything real, so you repeat these absurdities.
This language expresses the vision of the eye, just when you look at the sea and the sun is setting (even the verse was made clear that it describes what he saw with his own eyes).
What your eye sees is that the sun sets in the sea. This does not mean that the sun entered the sea, but it is just an expression of what the eye sees.
Exactly when we say that the sun sets or rises (this is an expression of what the eye sees), but the truth is that the earth is rotating not the sun.
@@bf6724 Too bad the author of the Quran clearly did not understand this.
Quran was preserved in the same way as all texts in all times, a written record. Oral preservation is a smokescreen. Hadith preserved in the same way. Hadith are much later inventions, about 3 centuries.
It breaks my heart to hear such a brilliant man speak such nonsense,
Like the weight of the revelation upon Muhammad was so heavy that it dropped the Camel down which is preposterous, and what makes it worse is to see a PHD which is his daughter having to cop it sweet, that's really sad.
It's like the gold dish of belief and wisdom that the two angels had to open him up to put it in .
Sahih al-Bukhari 7517
Please Dr shabir hear yourself for once, your too brilliant to speak this way.
You can refute his points
You should learn and think more about Quran. Just a start, read from cover to cover of Quran like 100 or 200 times (by reading I mean understand the meaning)...I guarantee you care more about what Quran says instead of what Bukhari says... After 10-20 years of studying then read again your comment as a reflection.
Quran can't stand alone without Hadith..
What?
Astaghfirullah!
Repent before it's too late for you!
According to the Wahhabis